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iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. We're listening to Fox Sports Radio. February 20th, it's the most iconic day in all of most. Motorsports, the Daytona 500, the Great American Race, kicks off the 2022 NASCAR season only on Fox in the Fox Sports app. So a lot of talk about Joe Burrow, obviously, in the Super Bowl. And, you know, it's interesting. The NFL is in a really good spot right now where we all know this.

The league, I don't really ever do. I haven't recently done. Like, who are the top 10 quarterbacks? There's just hard to tell. I do believe the NFL has kind of two groups of really high-end quarterbacks. I'm not talking about all the quarterbacks. I think there's five quarterbacks that are the next really transformational talents in the league. These are 25 years of age and younger.

They're moving into their prime. And I think that group includes, I'll show it to you. These are the five guys that are moving into their prime, Burrow, Kyler, Lamar, Josh, and Herbert. they're going to be a big part of our football viewing. They're going to change lines. They're going to change outcomes. They're going to win playoff games. They're moving into their prime.

And then I think there's the 26 and beyond that are in their prime. I think Mahalms just entered it. He's the young one. Russell Wilson, Stafford, Derek Carr, Dak. Aaron Rogers is on the real tail end of prime. But hell, he's going to win the MVP. So it's hard to win the MVP if you're not like in your prime. I do think Aaron is at the very end of it.

Mahomes is probably first year into his, you know, kind of intellectual, physical prime. So, and yes, I have DAC, and I've said this before, DAC checks a lot of boxes for me. He may be the least talented of two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, I had 11 guys. And I think mostly with these 11 guys have always had kind of a theory. You either take phone calls on your quarterback or you don't. I don't think these franchises,

take calls on their quarterback. Phone rings, we got our guy. I think everybody else in the league outside of like a Chicago or a Jacksonville with a brand new quarterback, they're not taking calls. But I think the league's always been, would you pick the phone up or not? And I think you have five young guys going into their prime.

They're not taking your call. And then I think you have six guys in their prime. They're not really taking your call either. And for those of you who say, Derek Carr, folks, did he not prove this year without a doubt he's in that group. I've been banging on that. Did he not prove it this year? With all that chaos, he got him into the playoffs. Trent Doper was on yesterday. He talked about kind of what makes Joe Burroughs special. He has that intangible quality where he makes every

bill surround him better. I think he's really done it ever since high school. He just has this ability, his aura, his presence, his energy, is, you know, juice, whatever you want to call it, makes people believe they're better than they really are. reminds me a lot of Troy Aikman. His presence, his aura, his commander's ability for those Dallas Cowboys teams, the big moment plays. He's a winner. Like, Troy Akeman is everything you want in a quarterback. And that's kind of what Joe Burrow is. If there's a comparison, it's Troy Akeman. Look at the impact Troy had on the Dallas Cowboys. Look in the city, brought them back to prominence. Daniel Jeremiah was a scout for three different teams. He's now in the Chargers broadcast, very popular podcaster, NFL network analysts. So it is interesting. It's really hard to figure out who's going to hit and who's not.

I mean, I've missed badly on guys. When Joe Burrow came out, you scouted for the Ravens, the Browns, the Eagles. Is he better than you thought sooner than you thought? Well, I don't think anybody thought he'd take the Cincinnati Bengals at the Super Bowl in two years, Colin. But I mean, no, he was, I loved him as a player. In fact, it's our connection on this event because I talked to clat in the morning before that draft, well before the draft. And I said, you know, Joe, I was talking to talking to one of my buddies who's been doing this for 40 years and personnel. And he was around and scouted Montana and said, this kid is the closest thing to Joe Montana we've seen.

So then Joe went on your show and said that same thing, which I think might have elicited some laughter, Colin. I think you might have given him a little bit of laughter on the, Montana comp. But look, this is the same thing. Like, to me, when I've been around Joe, I got to be around him a lot during the run-up to the draft. I went out and watched him work out with Josh Allen and with Sam Darnel. Okay, both, I mean, Josh Allen is a super freak in terms of arm talent.

He's on his own planet. It's a planet occupancy one. And then Sam has a really strong arm. And you looked out there on that field, Joe was behind them, you know, in terms of just throwing the football. The way he carried himself, Colin, you would have thought that he was 10 times better than both those guys. He's got so much confidence.

and there's just an aura around him. Yeah. Well, he's a coach's kid. That always helps. I always think there's something to that. So the Stafford situation is interesting where, you know, I said this yesterday. He was a better high school player than Aaron Rogers, a better college player, drafted higher. And by year three, with lousy Detroit took him to the playoffs,

Aaron got the first team in year four. A very good Packer team went six and ten. Early in their careers, Matt was a better player. And then over time, the Lions culture and nonsense, he couldn't overcome it. Are you a little surprise, though? You were working in this business about the time he came out. Are you a little surprised by the ability quickly to go from beat up guy, not in a lot of big games, to literally beating Brady out playing him on the road,

beating Kyle Shanahan. Is any of that a surprise to you? Not really, Kong. You mentioned it. I was a young scout, and I was in charge of always doing the quarterbacks every year. So I believe I was with the Ravens. At that time, I can't remember it was the Ravens of the Browns. But I remember going to watch Stafford play at LSU.

And I want to say that was A.J. Green that was with him, maybe No Sean Moreno. And you just go watch him throw a football live. And you're like, whoa, okay. Yeah, there's a reason why this dude's going to be the number one overall pick. Like he is very, very gifted, very talented. Now, you know, I think some people have looked at Detroit. And I've heard kind of the theory of, well, he had Calvin Johnson. Why didn't he win a Super Bowl?

And I'm like, yeah, well, you know, you need more than one wide receiver to make a good football team. And he just never really had that support and that structure. And he had, you know, some injuries of his own that he played through. So I think the fact that he's found a system that fits him with a, you know, an excellent culture that they've built there with the Rams. It's not, it's not surprising me. I don't think you'll find too many people inside the league, inside the league circles that are really surprised the success he's had. You know, a lot of people told me when OBJ, I texted a couple of executives when OBJ was in Cleveland. And they didn't say he was washed, but they said he doesn't separate like he did.

And yet, are they scheming him open? Because it sure seems like he's open a lot with the Rams. I think, Colin, it's just like a baseball player that's been, you know, hitting third in the lineup for one team. And then he gets to go to another lineup and he gets to hit sixth. Like, it's just a, it's a different pressure and expectation on him there. Cooper Cup is going to draw all of the attention. So I think he gets a chance to be a premier robin as opposed to maybe being a little

disappointing Batman. That's where he is in this team. I think it's a wonderful opportunity for him. It's a great role for him. And I think also, he just seems happy. And, you know, maybe this is me reading into it, but I just think the guy's just happy to be in Los Angeles. And I think that's shown in his play. So, you know, when you're a scout and the Rams keep giving away their first round picks, and they've hit on a lot of these. And I remember listening to Malcolm Gladwell years ago in a podcast. And he said, he said the value in this, we're going to look back in 20 years and say, the value is the second, third, and fourth round because there's such a risk in drafting players that why pay for somebody that busts? In a salary cap league, that's trouble. And I look at

the Rams. Do you think it drives their scouts crazy that, you know, they take some big swings, you do all this work, and they give up picks? How does that land do you think inside the organization? Well, I was on a team in Cleveland one year where our first pick was in the fourth round. And let me tell you, that fall sucked, okay? Because you're out there watching players and you're like, well, we're not going to get any of these guys. Like, you know, everybody else is over here watching the A guys and I'm over here watching the C level players. But what they've figured out is they've figured out a way to kind of game the comp system, right? And the way they've been able to do that, Colin, is these trades, I think everybody looks at it and says, well, you're trading premier picks for premier players.

They forget the third aspect. they're trading premier picks for premier players at premier positions. They're not trading multiple ones for a safety. They went and got a quarterback. They wouldn't got a corner. They went and got a pass rusher. You have to take those guys in the first round. Well, they don't have first round picks.

They don't need to take those guys anymore. The guys they need to pick the safeties, the linebackers, the guards. You get those guys their third, fourth, fifth round every year. They play for you for three or four years. They become free agents. You let them go. You get the comp pick. And that cycle just keeps on turning.

I mean, I think they've got like, eight picks in this coming draft. And that's without, you know, with trading a one and a two and a three for Von Miller, they stuff, eight picks. So they can go out and find guards and safeties in those rounds. Okay. I've seen, uh, I said this six months ago. I'm no expert, but I said the quarterback for the pit panthers, Kenny Pickett, looks like a starting quarterback. Lots of experience, big enough, decent arm, not great. You tell me as a former three-time scout, when you look at his film, what's his comp? What do you see with him? Yeah, for me, I wrote down, he's kind of reminded me of a little bit, maybe a little more athletic, Matthew Hasselbeck is kind of who he reminded me of.

Just kind of the way the ball comes out of his hand. It looks a little similar. Obviously, you know, he's got the great fake slide you're looking at right here to show some of his athleticism. He does not have, you know, top 10 traits ability. But to me, he's a starting NFL quarterback. And you got to have to surround him with the right pieces in place, but I think he can be a productive player. So that would be my comp for him. I don't love this, this quarterback class. Colin. I think there's some intriguing guys. But man, every year it's important where they land this year maybe more so than ever. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Daniel Jeremiah, he's got a podcast called Move the Sticks. It's great. Good seeing you, my man. Good to see you. Hey, Joy.

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there's local scouts, regional scouts. I think it's a lot of work, not a lot of pay, not very glamorous. But it's also just a lot of pressure. You're recommending, not only are you like recommending what the organization could do, like you could potentially, you know, influence someone's future. Well, we have to be honest about this. It's the same thing with high school recruiting. The great programs get more five and four star guys.

Right. But about 30% either grades, not mature, they don't fit, they don't work as hard. Everybody wants to be an expert. The truth is in all recruiting, high school to college, college to the pros, you got about a 25 to 30 percent misrate. Nick Saban does. Like it happens. It's, it's, you know this. You've moved around from company to company, so have I.

Sometimes you walk into a company and you know in two weeks, I'm a weird fit. Yeah. It looked good on the resume. I had one of those in my career and I'm like, it just doesn't fit for me. Or, you know, we've seen companies miss on people that turned out to be great and they didn't see them at the moment. I mean, people have been fired before and it's just, I feel like that would be a lot of pressure for me. Plus, you have to like, you're almost like a reporter. Like, you really have to dig into people and, and get all the good, like, background stuff too, especially

at the pro level. Like, they want that stuff. Absolutely. So Ben Simmons has yet to play this season for the Sixers. This is me and Colin's least favorite story. This Ben Simmons story and for, for different reasons, Dak Prescott's contract, two of my least favorite stories that I have ever had to discuss in my career. But DAC was likable and important. It just was redundant because we all knew he was going to get paid. If you didn't like doing this, you did it

well, but you didn't love doing it. Nobody would want to hear you talk about how you didn't like doing it. I don't even know if Ben Simmons likes basketball. There's no way in your prime Michael Jordan would have said, I'm going to set the ear out because I'm offended by what Doc, excuse me? Like, do you love basketball or not?

No, he took time off for very different reasons. Like you either love what you, you do, and if you don't, don't tell me. Like, I know Clay Thompson wants to get back in a basketball court so badly. I mean, every, he's like, that's why everyone was so emotional for him when he got back out there. Because he was literally dying to play basketball. I mean, he said it was up there with winning a championship being able to come back. Just go out, be on the floor. Like, that's what fans love. If I didn't love sports, but I did it, you don't want to hear me talk about how I don't love it. No. People don't want to hear about Aaron Rogers telling you, I can do Jeopardy and

as happy. Because the Packer fans are literally shaping their fall around your games. And spending their money for that as well. They care as much as fans do. But it's also what you just mentioned. And we talked about it with Tony Gonzalez and many other players as well. And it's the same in our business and probably in any business. There are people that absolutely love it and are obsessed with it and enjoy it or do it at the highest level and are passionate about it. And then there are people who just do it to get a check like they're pretty good at it. It's not really like their passion and they could, you know, like they could live without it, wouldn't really change their lives.

And it's similar in professional sports. That is the case as well. I have friends who are former players and I would ask them like, why didn't this guy work out or, you know, why didn't this girl ever like get to that level? And they're like, some people are just happy getting drafted, making a bunch of money, working like moderately hard for a little while and like, you know, chilling for the rest of their lives.

That's a majority. Right. Like some people don't, not everyone cares about being Michael Jordan. You literally go home. Joy goes home every night and watches more games than anybody I know, you can't fake it. You either love watching sports and talking about it or you don't. And if you don't, it's going to be way harder. Well, yeah, I mean, you'll get exposed pretty quickly.

But Joelle Embed was on the Mike Misenelli show and was asked about the situation and if you thought the Simmons was being unreasonable. I've been saying, same person. He's unfortunate, you know, everything that's happened. Everybody's our fault. But at the end of the day, you got to look at yourself. And, you know, it's never about one player. Like I always say, you can't win basketball, you know, one or five.

You need your teammates. You need everybody to do that part. I just don't think it's fair. I always go back and, you know, this is a business. You never know what can happen. You can't get your feelings heard. That's a really strong statement from Joel Embed. And I do feel bad for Jewel and B.

He's one of the greatest players, one of the great raw 10. He's the closest thing to Shaq with a jumper. Shaq didn't have a jumper. He's in the MVP conversation. He's a great all-time talent. Simmons is reportedly still upset about the comments and beat and Doc Rivers made about his poor performance last season. Which, by the way, like, for him being upset, he wasn't good. Like, it wasn't all on him, of course.

But, like, it's not like you went out there and gave some virtuosa performance, and everyone's blaming on you, and it's, like, unfair. So does Ben Simmons want people to be inauthentic? Yeah, apparently. And fabricate. say he didn't play well and he was terrible. So what is Ben Simmons asking? Is he asking teammates and coaches to coddle him or be authentic? I just, I don't, and look, there's a lot probably that's going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Yeah. But I just, people, we all know people who cannot accept any kind of constructive criticism in their life. I don't

keep them very close to me, but we all know them. Oh, there's a lot of people like that. Yeah. So Brian Winhorse is saying that sources across the league say there's absolutely a chance of a James Harden, Ben Simmons trade happening before 3 p.m. Thursday. Trade in line Thursday. For the record, it's one of the few Ben Simmons deals

I like. I actually, because he's not a score, he's a distributor. Ben Simmons, Kyrie and Kady. Yeah, because what he provides, distribution, length defense is kind of what they need. They don't need another shooter. He hasn't played all season.

How is he going to step? Is he even shape? I don't know, but I'm just saying his game. Fits there, yes. Yeah, whereas James Hardin is exactly what the Sixers need, which is somebody, so when you're dropping off all the cover on Gene-on-Beed, you've got to be honest with them. I like it better for the Sixers than I do. Well, I'm getting a better player, yeah.

So Joe Burrow was sacked nine times in the divisional round against the Titans, but only once last week against the Chiefs. His O-Line is obviously a big question going into the Super Bowl on Sunday, and he thinks they're up to the task. It's going to be a challenge for our guys, but, you know, they've worked really hard to put themselves in this position. And I know that, you know, our coaching staff has a great plan for them that they're going to be able to go out and execute. So it's going to be how, one, I handle the pressure, how I'm able to get the ball out of my hands and get to get it to my playmakers in space. And, two, you know, how we're how we're going to be able to handle them up front.

And I might, you know, have the most confidence in our, in our offensive line to make it happen. How about this stat? Burrow was the most sack quarterback this season, 51 times. It makes no sense they're here. It does it, but that's why I love the story so much, because next year and moving forward, we're always going to hear all these excuses for why guys haven't exceeded. And he's the most sack quarterback the season is,

the worst offensive line in the postseason. He's got nine times against Tennessee. And look at these hits. He's getting drilled. Coming off of an injury. Getting smoked. Look at this one. Look at this one. Boom. It's bad. They have the 20th ranked offensive line this season.

So, I mean, they're not the bottom of the league, but they're not great. And they're going to have to work on that next season. They have $58 million in cap space for next season. That's the third most in the NFL. They have the 30 first pick in the first round. They have a second round, a third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and two seventh round pick. It's a very good. There's a very good old line draft.

A lot of interesting tackles. good center draft. They can fix things because they don't have a ton of holes. It really starts with that. They're good at skill. No, they don't have a lot of holes. They're in the Super Bowl. They have a lot of skill.

The offensive line is obviously something they want to focus on, and they want to protect him. Like, he's young. He's not going to be able to, you know, keep up that pace of getting sacked. So Aaron Donald's singular goal since losing Super Bowl 53 has been to win a Super Bowl. And Rams defensive coordinator, Rahim Morris, said that's ultimately the team's goal is to get him to that point. He said, this building wants to win for Aaron Donald.

I remember watching his face because they kept showing him on television, looked into his eyes, and I felt that hurt. I felt that pain. And when I got here, that was the first thing I said to him. I said, I'm going to do everything in my power, everything possible, to help you win a championship. And I meant that. Aaron Donald said that he promised his daughter last time

that she could play in the confetti, which is super cute. And she constantly tells him that he needs to win so she can do that. I can see this, though. I can see this for Andrew Whitworth and for Aaron Donald. There's obviously a lot of great names and big names on this team, but those two guys. The three greatest, the three greatest defensive players I've ever seen in my life. Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and Aaron Donald. Now, Ed Reed was way up there.

But in my life, the three players that were the most disruptive that you can't explain their dominance. There is video of Reggie White throwing grown men. throwing them, like Chris Carter, throwing them down the field. Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald's won three defensive player of the year awards, made eight Pro Bowls, seven first team all pros,

defensive rookie of the year, and was named to the NFL's 2010 all-decade team. Adding a Super Bowl to that list would be tremendous. Amazing. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. I did not see Dick Butkus play.

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you're just saying, I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. They're finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite. favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations

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I heard it. Oh, a lot of good things happening. It is amazing. You know what? Even the governor of Oklahoma yesterday, they can't get over it. They can't get over it. It's so wonderful. I can understand they lost a good one and they lost them here.

Well, you upgraded. Sometimes you've got to upgrade in life. That's just the way it works. Maybe they feel like, you know, NASCAR purists, how they're like, gosh, what was that race on Sunday? I thought it was cool, but I don't know anything about NASCAR and I think that was the market. So now, like, we got something cool and everybody else like, eh, we wanted to keep it. Lincoln Riley said this. Traditionalists don't love coaches going to other places.

They don't love the transfer portal. Right. Like there are these people out there. They're traditionalists. Of course. They don't like change. You know, upgrade it. Which is okay, I guess.

Yeah. That's an inside general Friday. The Joe Burrell thing, year two, bad franchise, get to the Super Bowl. How do you wrap your brain around it? I just think everything changed in this organization once they got him. And that's the power of his approach, his mentality. You hear the way he talks and he comes off a little cocky, but I don't think he doesn't view it as that. He's just like, I put off, I put enough time and effort into what I'm doing into rehabving

my body into preparing for this, then I'm going to say what I think. And I'm not going to, you know, play nice with everybody. I'm just going to go ball. And I know I am and I expect it. So, you know, I guarantee if he's hoisting the Lombardi trophy, they'll be like, did you ever expect this? And he'll be like, hell yeah. And not in a rude way. It's just how he is. Couldn't I make the argument? If you're replacing Brady like Mac Jones, you don't want to be too over the top. But if you are going to a bad franchise, there's value in saying, we're way better than you critics think. That his confidence is a good fit for the Bengals.

I think it's great for that market. I think it's great because he's a hometown kid. He can do no wrong. It's not like they're ever going to get mad at him for what he says in the media, you know. And, you know, he's got this team to this stage with a lot of help. I mean, there's plenty of other guys. I heard Cam Jordan talk about Hendrickson on defense. I mean, they put pieces in place and have given him a chance.

And when it's his turn to make his plays, he's done it. I mean, you said it in the news segment, the guy got absolutely pummeled in that divisional game. I mean, smoke. Just to stand there and continue to take that beating and play as well as he did, that still blows my mind. And that's the position. Because of that, he's just earned so much.

And I feel like, remember they played this bowl game? Was it against, it was LSU his first year there when they didn't do great? Yeah. they were playing like Auburn or like UCF or somebody I forget who they were playing but he got absolutely smoked on a play had to come out

for a play and then goes back in the game and literally ever since then he's never looked back it was national championship Heisman trophy first overall pick and now potentially a Super Bowl win and it's like he Ed Ogeron mentioned it but he grabbed the team after that

they're like dang this is a tough sucker now I'm following him Yeah. I'm talking to Edo later today. Yes. He's classic. And there's nobody like him in college football. In the history of the sport. Hey. Hey. Hey. I call.

Not your family, call. It's good. He's the best. He's the best. He's probably the best recruiter. Oh, man. Did he recruit you? Hands down, bar none. Did he recruit you? Oh, yeah.

Ed O did. Eddie O, baby. Defensive line, Eddie O. Yes. What did he say to you? What do he say? Hey, you're coming to USC. You're going to stand on the ladder in front of the team, in front of the band.

You're going to hold up that sword, and we're going to be national champions. We're going to be Rose Bowl champions. What do you say? I was like, hell yeah. Dude, I'm in. Whatever you say. So they said Eddie O to you. Eddie O.

He was the closer. Kiff. Yeah, but nobody. Ed has the ability. I love him. Do you hear the Joe Burrell recruiting story? He called Joe Burroughs family? Yeah, yeah.

He said, you can't go to Cincinnati. What are you people doing? His destiny is LSU. And how do you even make that connection? Like explain to me how that's his destiny. Like you're Ohio people. Like look where he is now. It's perfect.

But like how do you sell that? Yeah, I mean, he was going to go to the Cincinnati Bearcats and Eddo called his family and said, I know. I just think it's like how do you bridge that? Like how do you bridge Ohio and Louisiana? And Eddie O can do it. That's a testament to him is what I'm saying. Yeah, it's a power of Ed's personality.

Yes. So explain this to me. I think you did before. OBJ goes to the Rams. I always figure does it take six weeks, eight weeks. It's been really fast. Now, I know he's been in the league a while, and I know the languages are sometimes the same.

Aren't you a little surprised how seamless? I mean, they're going to him on third downs, Red Zone. These are not sloppy fourth quarter game over. Like, he, in key situations, are you surprised how seamless the Rams offense has been for OBJ. I think it's easy to say seamless now, but go back to that Packers game,

the first Packers game they played, there were some misses. There was a balls thrown 30 yards down the field and he slammed on the brakes and turned around. They're both kind of looking at each other. There was an interception, maybe not an interception, but a third down. He's like in the slot running an option route,

and it was early, you can tell. The halfbacks out of the backfield running option routes, it's a feel thing. time on task and reps because you got to know body language-wise what they're going to do because if you trick the quarterback the ball's going right to a defender because there's too many bodies same thing with cooper cup and those option routes inside that's why those guys are so good at it west welker julian edelman with tom brady they did it so many times obj day tried to do it against the packers and it was off he it was either like one extra revolution like basically two more steps

or his foot got caught in the ground or something happened but stafford threw a pick or it was a crucial third down and they didn't convert. So I wouldn't say seamless, but they've started to iron those things out and put them in places to be successful. And when it didn't work in the slot, it wasn't like, okay, you're never doing this again. You miss 10 shots in a row, right? If you don't give the guy the ball again, his confidence is just going to plummet. So, okay, give him a couple, throw him a screen, give him, hand him a reverse, hand him a fly sweep, just keep them in the game. And I think, you know, their head coach McVeigh has done a great job of keeping him involved and then selecting his spots.

Like, where is he going to be most successful? When's the coverage going to be drawn to Cooper? Let's get OBJ the Rock. And so I wouldn't say seamless, but I would say it's been impressive. I have a theory with the Rams. And I said this, when Brady, Tim Duncan, or Aaron Donald are your best players, and they're fairly egos, it puts the locker room in line. Like, Aaron's got no ego and he's arguably the best defensive player in 20 years.

That's fair. And I think the Rams culture, stars everywhere, but they're always sort of like low-key. And I always feel like Aaron Donald sets that tempo. Who was the best player for the Jets? Revis. And what was he like? Awesome.

He was pretty quiet guy. Like he didn't talk a lot of trash. Well, you guys weren't a real flashy team. I mean, it sounded like we were, but they weren't like that crazy. It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't what the media kind of made it to be. But when we started winning games, you know, people made it bigger than it was. But what was the best locker room you were ever in? That had to be one of them because of the veteran talent, right?

The veteran presence, you know, with Revis and Bart Scott and Nick Mangold, Alan Fanica. Was to Brickshaw there yet? The Brickshaw Ferguson. All those guys, you know, set the, the, the tone, they were the, you know, thermostat, not the thermometer, right? I don't want to know the temperature. I want to set the temperature kind of idea.

And nobody needed, like, there was no fines. There's no fine system. If the coach has to find everybody, it's like, come on, man, what are you getting put in time out? What are we doing? Guys just, like, police you because if you're going to get fined, it'll be from the other players

and they'll take probably way more money than the other guys, or they'll just, like, kick your ass. Like, don't do that anymore, or don't come back here. You guys had a lot of pros. Pros pros. Like grown-ups. Wow. In fact, Rex Ryan was the child.

Dang. No, don't say that. I do not co-sign that. No. I mean, Rex sometimes could go a little. But I thought Rex, it was almost like Burroughs' confidence with the Bengals was like Rex's with the Jets. And sometimes irrational? Sometimes.

But it was like he kind of took all the heat. Right. And that was the idea. Like, I'd rather take the heat than let those guys have to deal with it. But at the end of the day, we still. had to back some of that stuff up. So just the way goes. But he wanted to take all the bullets. You know, he wanted to handle that and shield us. And especially me, thought he was doing me a favor by keeping me out of it. Probably was. In some ways, yes. But remember, at the end of the day,

you got to go win the games. If your coach said, we're going to go kick their ass. So, yeah, it helps. It puts a little pressure on you, but whatever. So it goes. NetSuite, Oracle's number one cloud financial system. Go to netsuite.com slash herd visibility and control over your financials. Are you doing speak for yourself today? Yes, sir. I don't like when you have to come here, all of them are Orange County, and just do one show.

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