The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Realignment, Westbrook

Episode Date: July 20, 2022

Thoughts on college football realignment The struggles of Russell Westbrook   Guest: Cuttino MobleySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Are you ready for my controversial comment? I'm ready. Are you ready, Joy? We'll find out. Ryan, heads up here. Okay, so every business in the world adds employees, but they also cut employees. We understand that. That's the way to do business.

So everybody's worked up in college football about conference realignment. How can you add USC and UCLA to the Big Ten? How can you add Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC? Let's take the telescope and turn it around. Why can't conferences cut teams? You tell me, what is the value of Nebraska to the Big Ten? They get $80 million paycheck a year. They don't add a big TV market.

They're now average in football. They've never been a basketball school. Maryland Rutgers? If I ran the Big Ten, I'd be like, Maryland, we tried it, it doesn't work. Rutgers, we thought New York would watch, it doesn't work. Nebraska, you're a better fit in the Big 12. We'll give you a parting gift.

We'll give you $25 million, $30 million, pay for your, you know, Olympic sports for a year. These teams all have contracts with the conferences. They all run out. They have TV contracts. Why do you have to keep all the SEC? Vanderbilt's a great school academically and has good baseball. What does Missouri give you? Again, good school academically.

Everybody's, I can't believe they left and they're adding teams. If I was these conferences, I think it's all politics. I think athletic directors and administrators are terrified politically to just go, if I was the Big Ten, I'm like, why do I need Maryland? We thought D.C. would watch. They don't. Rutgers. We did it.

We thought New York would watch. They don't. Nebraska. It's a bad fit. Nebraska, frankly, is better off in the Big 12 anyway. And just give them a parting gift. say, you know, instead of, because you know privately, I mean, the Big Ten feels like to me, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State. I think Northwestern is, you want them in your conference.

And they're viable, too. They've got really good coaches. But there's an argument to be made. Purdue's good academically, but the Big Ten's already good academically. What's Purdue give them? Minnesota feels like they would be a Big Ten team. I know it's just viewed as this is just not right, but if everybody's freaking out about adding teams, why don't these college administrators cut teams?

I mean, every single business, even the NFL's like St. Louis love you, we're moving the team to L.A. Oakland love you. We're moving the team to Vegas. We have teams moving all over the place. Texas, Oklahoma didn't give anybody a heads up. USC, UCLA didn't give anybody a heads up. Why does the gigantic conference have to give you much of a heads up if they want to get rid of you? All right.

That's wild. That's very controversial. It'll be all over the interweb today. Cotino, how are you? I'm amazing. It's good to see you. Joy, it's good to see you as well.

I'm going to throw this out there. So Westbrook broke up with his agent. He got booed at home. And I thought, I mean, he's even reacted to it. It's been very uncomfortable. I said a couple days ago, I'm just tired of talking about Russell Westbrook. The whole thing doesn't work. Everything works.

LeBron. This doesn't work. And so they can't really trade him. Certainly they could at the All-Star break expiring contract. If you were Russell Westbrook, the fans are being tough on you. You're tired of the criticism. Even though at your hometown, it doesn't appear to work and you're taking all the blame. And you are, it appears to me a diminishing player in terms of he has hit his peak. What would you do? Would you just say, I want a cash out, a buyout? What would you do? Well, I mean, you have one year so far, to me, you know, the best ever pick up a basketball with LeBron James. And you have AD.

So for AD and Russell, and I'm going to go back to Russell in a second. For AD, I'm going to take LeBron's strength and conditioning coach, and I'm going to kidnap him. Yeah. And then for Russell, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to the best shooting coach in the world. That's what I'm going to do because I think that's what the older you get, I think you, you know, you don't have to do as much, right? So Russell's playing like a Ferrari. where it should be more of a stick shift kind of like I think.

And when you have a LeBron James and an AD, I think you, after this failure of a year, now this year you can look back, the best thing about when you fell, you can start over it. I mean, you can start over with knowledge. So now what I think, you know,

Russell should do because Russell's a great player, it's just that what got him in the league, the ego, the bovado, the, you know, the strong will is hurting now. Yes. And I love him. I've had, I've known him since he was in. college, a freshman in college. So I know his mentality. It's hard to click off when you've

become so successful at it. But now you have to take a step back. And then now what you say is one of my phrases I say is, purpose has to be before ego, right? So what is your purpose? Right? If your purpose is to like reclaim their fan base in L.A. because you're hometown and, you know, win one for your hometown and prove everybody wrong, then you have to like tuck the ego, get you a shooting coach and go from there. And now, you know, when LeBron's out the game, you do this. When he's in the game, you'll be able to, you know, sometimes you're spotting up. Sometimes he's spotting up.

But you guys are running a team like, you know, like you should be. Yeah, I mean, it's clearly affecting him. Even his free throw percentage has gone down. It's in his head. I don't know him. You know him personally. Do you think he's capable of that? I do think he's capable of it.

I think anybody's capable of becoming better, right? Because, you know, he's an athlete. He's, you know, a lot of pride. Yeah, he's an athlete, and he's strong-willed, and he's one of the best to play the game, right? Just because his stats show, oh, it's triple-double, but that's still a lot of energy, right? Like, he's passing the ball to guys, and they're making layups and they're making jump shots. And I think for Russell, you know, what I would do, you know, just sit him down and say, listen, you know, it's not working like that anymore, right? And you're hopping from Houston to Washington to here to there and, you know, the same,

story is being set and built on you, let's take a step back because you're a great person. To me, he's an amazing person. He's got a big charity business, good with kids. I think he's an amazing person. So now let's not tarnish that. Let's just say, okay, listen, what am I lacking? Well, I'm turning the ball over too much, and maybe I'm turning a ball over too much because I'm doing too much. I've got the ball in my hands too much. Right. Maybe I need to catch and shoot sometimes. Maybe I need to come off, pick and roll and get somebody else involved in it. But I need to, I think the number one thing for him is work on that job. dumb shot because they need to open up more and slow things down better.

So there's no market really for Westbrook, a small one for KD reportedly, not a market for Kyrie, Hardin didn't have a market, he had to take a cut. There would be no market for Ben Simmons, which is, that's an enigma I can't explain. So it's almost like the teams are looking at the Warriors, the Celtics, Miami, Milwaukee, and saying, we've done the diva thing. we're going with culture because it's a winning way way more last two years what do you think you think why is it suddenly two years ago we were all in on brooklyn three years ago now there's no market for this stuff what's happening well i mean if you look at the the common denominator is the superstars

right and all these teams you just named the golden states the milwaukee's the miami's right the boston's they're not divas at the moment i don't know boston is diva at the moment right they they may smell themselves next year. I don't know, but Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, right? And then Jimmy Butler, right? And then you have Pat Riley. Right, right. So then you have Golden State where Steph Curry is the guy.

Yeah. So they move to that tempo. Yeah. So when you have all these other teams, you know, I love James Hardin, but, you know, it's on and off. It's here and there. It's like, you don't know if he wants to party or if he wants to play, you know. And then you have, you know, Kevin where it's like, you know,

Kevin's not a vocal leader. No. Kevin leads by playing. So, you know, to keep the household right, you have to jump in your teammates. But, and I don't think he's that guy. Right. Right. So I think with my perspective, if the owner's doing, say, well, you know what, like you say,

we're not going for these headaches, right? Like we need a leader who's going to follow suit, right? Be a leader, right? And then when something jumps off in this locker room, they can handle it the right way. But when you have a thousand chefs in the kitchen, you know, the kitchen, it's hard to really find a certain ingredient, identity of what the food's going to taste like. I just don't, you know, I think those owners are saying,

okay, you know what, let's stick together. Whoever wins wins, but we're not going to let them take over. So it's like that battle, the chicken and the egg, right? The players have power. Now the owners are trying to get their power back, and what do you do? Yeah, it's, I don't think it's terrible for the league that it's driven by culture and remaining who drafted you.

you. I think ideally that's perfect. It doesn't always work. You have bad owners. You have bad GMs. You have bad rosters. But I do think we're pivoting to a culture, draft and develop, stick with your guys over. I think LeBron created this mobility movement, and I think it lasted 10 years. And now people are going, you know, for all that movement, we're not getting enough titles. And the teams now that are good, didn't move as much. It's Yon is staying. It's Tatum's staying.

And by the way, life is cyclical. We may move. It could be we're going to have a great. great star move. If Durant goes to Miami and wins, then everybody's going to be like, you know, you've got to move. So as you know, life is cyclical. I think we are pivoting to a, let's keep our dudes.

Let's draft and develop our dudes. Let's not go get the big ball dominant guy. And I don't think it's necessarily bad for the league. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. in an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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I like him. I really do. But when I saw Sunday, I think I was on Twitter, and Danny Ains wanted six picks and five Knicks for Donovan Mitchell. I'm like, this is insane. I would give you the forward I like, the vertical forward, Obe, Obedopin, and two first rounders. Okay. Maybe a third. Six picks, six players.

The Rudy Gobert trade kind of messed things up. I feel like you've heard of a housing bubble or a stock market. I feel like we're in a trade bubble, is that the Rudy Gobert trade screwed the whole league up. What would you give? You're the Knicks. What would you give up? to get Donovan Mitchell. That's very tricky.

You know, I think when you ask for a lot, right? When Danny's asking for that, I think he's being... He's manipulating the discussion. No, but I think he's like, like, I dare you to do that. Because I'm not trading my star. So I'm going to ask for the moon. And if you can't get there, he's staying. I tried, but, right?

Like, I think it's kind of like that thing to me. when you ask for that's obnoxious to ask for and it's especially he's not listen Donovan Mitchell's he's special but he's not like he's not like six six

like you know he's not changing he's not a wing he's not Jason Tatum he's not that no so why would you ask for that you ask for that because you know what you don't have anything else that's out there

he's a good kid he's a good guy right and he's you know he's not a headache so why would I give him away because then now I have to restart you know Conley and Rudy Gober and all these other guys. It's like I have to restart over

and I just became, you know, the guy at Utah. It's kind of hard to build. You know, we were, I was saying this about KD. There's a million rumors about KD. I don't have any insight. But I have made mistakes in my life and been in spaces where I wanted to get out of them. Right.

You go to a party. You're in a relationship. You take a job and you're like, get the hell out of here. And I think the KD situation is as simple. is this. He made a mistake leaving the warriors. He wasn't totally happy, but he know it's good. And in Brooklyn, he just, he just wants out. The honeymoon's over. He's stuck in a relationship. He wants to dissolve it. And he doesn't have the personality to demand it. I think he's, I've been there before. Okay. So that's what I was going to ask you. So I think Kevin's like,

I can't be here for four more years. I can't do. Kyrie. I can't do Simmons. I can't do it. The Celtics are getting better. Milwaukee's getting better. I think it's that simple. Kevin made a mistake we all do and he's trying to figure out how the heck to get out of the lease. So what do you, and I think it's hard to go to work for four years unhappy. You may be all to blame. So take me to the time you did it and how hard it was. Well, no. Okay. So it was a joke when I said that. I did it in like personal relationship and I got out. Right. I didn't do it when I played

in the league. I loved Houston Rockets. I loved, you know, Sacramento for that one year, but then I loved, you know, lost in his clippers. But I do understand, you know, where he's coming from now. This is the tricky thing, and I can go back to Purpose v. ego. I think because, you know, him, you know who I am,

I'm Kevin Durant, and he is. He's Kevin Durant. Like, he's, you know, maybe one of the best ever touched the ball when it comes to one-on-one, if not top one, too. Right? So whatever happen between Kevin and the Golden State's organization, do you swallow your ego and go back and say, listen, hey, I thought it was going to be cool over here, and it's not, right? Like the double team in me, it's harder, you know, it's easier when I have Steph on this side

and Clay on this side and Dr. and Steve Kerr and it's, that was easier for me. Right. It's not easy over here. And a lot of people go through that life in general, right? They think it's greener on the other side. And then we get on the other side. It's like, oh, I'm getting 30 and I'm still the king, but like, you know, I don't have a castle. Like, it's just like that kind of thing.

So I think for him is, if I was him, I'm like, I'm going back. Listen, to finish off, you get to play with two of the best on your wings that's ever touched the ball when it comes to shooting it. And then you have Draymond Green, who's like a Magic Johnson and to do everything. I'm going back, right? But listen, I don't know if you got to say sorry. I don't know what happened, but I'm literally going to, if you want to, unless you want to just like keep struggling. and fighting and all these different personalities, and you're not that guy who's vocal.

Draymond does that. Let Draymond do that. Well, I always thought Golden State was perfect. So you didn't have to be the soul of the team, Steph, didn't have to coach the team Kerr was great. You didn't have to be the bouncer. It was Draymond. You were kind of come in, take shots.

Now, the downside is you weren't going to get all of them because Steph's the best shooter ever. But they didn't ask a lot other than, we're going to drop some plays, We're going to ask you to hit some big shots. And that's why I think his market is small. If his career started in Oklahoma City, I think we all realized his frustration with Westbrook.

I gave him a pass. I think we all get it with Brooklyn. It doesn't work. But when he left, I always compared it to this, Coutino. It's the same behavior. Think about OKC and in Brooklyn. That behavior of leaving OKC in Brooklyn, that behavior is the same behavior.

But when he left Golden State, then you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I use the, it's analogous to this. If Patrick Mahomes, it's one thing for, um, to say, get me out of the dolphins. This is a circus. We'd all be like, yeah, I get it. But if Mahomes left the chiefs with Andy Reed, the Hunt family and said, I want to go to the Jets and play with my friend, we would go into the football culture. like, bro, back it up, see a therapist.

That ain't right. We'd be like, dude, you can't do that. When he left the Warriors, then it's not a situational issue. It's like a Kevin issue because Wiggins is happy there. Dre's happy, Steph's happy, Iggy's happy. Everybody's happy. Everyone. Everybody's happy.

Except Kevin. And I think that move has reshaped the narrative from a guy that can't get a right fit to, dude, that was Mahomes and Andy Reed. If you're a quarterback and you can't get along with Andy Reid, that is a you problem. Right. And that's what I think the warrior move, I said it at the time. This is unprecedented. This is crazy.

And I think it's, I think that has left so much. And carnage isn't the right word. The league is like going, brother, if you can't, it doesn't work there. I mean, in your career, are some players just never truly happy? Yeah, because what you're doing is you're, you're. you're evolving as a human being, right? Like, so you go from high school to college, from college to the pros. And we truly don't even, and I'm being as therapist at the moment,

but we truly don't even know who we really are because life is moving too fast. So then now when you're moving, there's circumstances and situations that happen. So now I have to, like, really try to adjust, and you can't sit back and adjust. Because not only you trying to adjust and sit back in a quiet place, but there's like Twitter and then there's Instagram and then there's people, And it's everywhere I go, every single day. And it's like, there's no quiet moment inside my head. Interesting.

Right? So now what I'm doing is like, I'm not really like, you know, stoic. I'm not zen like at the moment. I'm like, oh, I'm so mad at you. And I'm, because I'm going back. We operate from our childhood traumas. Right. All of us when we get really upset, unless you work on yourself.

And I think a lot of us, especially in the league, you come into the league young. So what do you, how many guys really see therapists? how many really sit and tell themselves like you know what I messed up I should have did this they don't do that Americans do it so you got you got all this money what are you going Fame criticism right like you're getting praised to do bad things like anybody but not even NBA but people like think about media now like if you have to do something really silly to get a whole bunch of likes opposed to just like being a good person right right and Kevin's a really good person it's just maybe you know he's misunderstood and when he's misunderstood

He has these twitters and he has this Instagram and it's like, and you can't do this to me and, you know, and I make so much money and it's, but that's not his fault. That's just what Eagle does to you as an individual. How would you have dealt with social media? Well, I mean, listen, I was psychology and communications. I don't know exactly how, but for me, listen, I was getting criticized

from the way I dressed when I came into the league. I mean, people were calling me, the, G-A-Y and, you know, and this, that, whatever. And it didn't bother me because I kept doing it because my mother was a stylist and my father made clothes. And, you know, our family, my father's mother is Sicilian. And, you know, I'm in Italy since I was a kid. And so it didn't bother me at all. But again, if you don't really know who you are, it's very hard to really navigate your life thinking you're something that you're really not.

Right. So anything someone says, it's like a paper cut. It's going to hurt all the time. I always knew we got along for a reason. So that is it. It's the, it's your background. You're into psychology. By the way, I went to Italy for the first time.

The bread. Listen, the bread. I mean, joy, seriously. It was the tomatoes for me. Oh, the tomatoes too. Now what's your favorite part of Italy? Every single, anywhere I go, it's like, it's just amazing, right? I'm in Florence.

I'm in Rome. I'm in Milan. You know, you go to Sicily and Esparlamo, Naples. It's whatever. It's like, I just, everything has its own unique identity. and I just embrace as much as I can. I lost weight in Florence. All I did was walk for three days.

You know, they have amazing leather. It's very cheap, especially for women, too. No, that's right. You can bring it back and bottle it up. Isn't that crazy? It's amazing. Well, they don't have to import anything. They got their bread, their pasta, their wine, their tomatoes.

You go to lunch. I had a bottle of wine, a couple of pastas, $24. That's so crazy. I get out of Chick-fil-A. I'm like 28. It's crazy. I told my wife, it's like, I go to do this. Chick-fil-a and get a couple sandwiches for the kids.

It's like $28. Go to Venice. Right off of Venice, forget exactly what it's called Vianna or some. It's the glass blowing. And it's passed down from generation to generation. So when you see glass blowing, that's where it comes from. Yeah. It's really cool.

So do you still go to Italy? I haven't been in a long time, but I'm going to take the kids and, you know, just kind of walk around and have fun. Did you major in psychology or something? I did. I did. Psychology and Communications. Wow.

Yeah. That's fascinating. So you, you, I didn't, you know, I didn't know you went, it doesn't sound like it was a struggle for you. It was a reality for you. Is it you were different? Yeah, man, I just, it's not personal. Nothing's personal.

That's right. You know, it's just what it is. And then you attract those things. So I think, you know, with KD, I know KD. I mean, I don't know him as well, but I think he's an amazing person. But we all attract who comes into our life, whether there's energy or, or a human being. So if I have a bad segment, I have a couch in my office, all sit down there and you,

you get a pen and paper and I'll go on your couch. Ketino, my ego is out of control. Where do I go? And you have an answer. Well, you just answered it, right? If your ego's out of control, you put it to the side. It's hard to do. Yeah, it is. That things are in the backseat of the car every day, Ketino Mobley. What a pleasure. We all have different ideas about success, achieve it at different times, different ways.

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A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or we're you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look

Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode, with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games.

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colin.com. 20% off, interactive monitoring, advanced home security. Simplysafe, collin.com. I just had a conversation with Cotino Mobley in the back. It's unbelievable how his psychology degree in sports and I just, blown away by it. You can study that now.

Sports psychology. Yeah. No, it's a thing. We're a big, big therapy show. We are. Yeah. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the jazz have gone back and forth on Donovan Mitchell and what they're going to do with him,

but there were some reported discussions with the Knicks where they offered Mitchell in exchange for six future first round picks. It's just, I don't get it. In addition to five players. New York did not agree with the asking price and Wode reports that the Jazz could start to ask around the league

to see what they could get for Mitchell. He added that he expects things to drag out, saying any potential deal for Donovan Mitchell is going to take some time. So there are several players who are on the market or being circulated in trade talks right now. Donovan Mitchell to me is, even though Kevin Durant is a better player at this point, is a more realistic trade piece because you're not going to get six future first round picks and five or six players for Donovan Mitchell. It's honestly just a silly ask. I agree with Cotino's

notion that he's just asking that because now you can't say you didn't try. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's offensive. Like if you ever want to buy a home and you want to get a good price and the home is worth $300,000 and you offer $150, that's offensive. Well, it's like you're wasting my time. Yeah. I think if you call, if I was the Knicks and Danny Aange called and said, give me six first round picks and six players. I'm hanging the phone up. You are wasting my time. Are we going to name the organization after you as well? I mean, yes, it's a waste of time. It's not realistic. There are limitations to these trades. So whether the Rudy Gobert trade was, you know, a market crash or not, at some point it's going to have to correct and come back to reason.

Or there's not going to be any trades made. You can't just say like, okay, this is just going to, to your point grow to the sky. That's not how this works. You do actually have to have a roster to put on the court along with Donovan Mitchell. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter how good Donovan Mitchell is. It's still a team game. I do think all of these trades are going to take some time because there's not a whole lot of desperate teams out there that even New York, who is, you know, obviously wanting a star and would make a big trade. It can't make a trade like that. It's just beyond reason. So Russell Westbrook recently parted ways with his longtime agents, citing irreconcilable differences.

And according to Brian Winhorst, the split may have been a result of Darwin Ham's vision for Westbrook's role next season, asking him to have a defense-first mindset. So despite Ham's plan for the future, Russ still decided he wanted to get rid of his agents. So the story is saying that Darwin-Ham said Russell play defense a lot. You're going to play defense a lot. Have it more of a defensive mindset, yes. And his agent said, Russell, you should do that. and Russell said, I'm getting rid of my agent.

Is that what the story saying? That is the report, yes. What do you make of that? I mean, I think this is where we are with Westbrook. I mean, what really caused him to break up with his agent of 14 years? I don't know that we will ever really know. I mean, those are very personal relationships once you get into, you know, over a decade with the same representation. This report makes it sound like basically the way.

They obviously had differences on what Russ's role was going to be. And his agent said, just do what the Lakers say. Well, yeah, I mean, his statement made it very clear that he did not think him leaving the Lakers was the best choice for Russ and that they had a disagreement on that. This is not surprising. I mean, last year, like I said, last year to me was the year that Russ could show being on his fourth team in four years, playing alongside LeBron James for the Los Angeles Lakers dealing with the injuries to Anthony Davis and LeBron that they dealt with. that was a prime situation for Russell Westbrook to step up into a space that we really hadn't seen him in, which would be to be that kind of leader and lift the Lakers in a positive fashion. It was the opposite of that.

Coach got fired. It's been a disaster. They're now trying to move him. Now they're trying to keep him because they can't move him. Obviously, some adjustments have to be made. You have to make some concessions when that is the result. The result speaks for itself. There's nothing to argue.

it did not work. Failure. That means you have to change. Yeah. This is not like, to me that's the frustration with the Russell Westbrook situation. Clearly, if you're going to make it work,

there has to be changes. You can't do what you did last year. Last year was a failure. So no one's right. That's why the coach got fired and that's why there's trade conversations. So really what is the conversation around Russell Westbrook? He is going to have to change how he plays.

He's going to have to adjust his role on the team. And if that's not going to happen, it's going to be a failure again. As the Lakers turn. The Lakers turn. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. Well, I made my NFL predictions today. Very, very exciting. I've got Buffalo, Miami, Denver, Chiefs, Chargers, Indie, Cincinnati going in the AFC to the playoffs, Philly Rams, Arizona, San Francisco, Tampa, Vikings, Packers, and the NFC.

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Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day, head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman, documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at a podcast.

From 1979, that was a big moment for me. Eighty-four was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

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