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Tonight, 730 Eastern, 430 Pacific on Fox, NFL Network, and streaming on Prime Video. Don't miss your chance to win $25,000 of Terry Bradshaw's money on the Fox Bet Super 6 app where players have won over $5 million total. Last Thursday, there was six jackpot winners who don't miss out. scan the QR code, download the app, and answer six questions about tonight's Buck's Eagles game for your shot at the cash. One of the questions is who will win and by how many points. Well, I think Fox Betts got it right. The line's about six, six and a half.

The over-under is 52-ish. And I think Tampa wins 30-23, which is right on the over-under and right on the line. I think it's a touchdown game. Yeah, I mean, Tampa, you can't run on Tampa, so that limits Philadelphia. And they have a young quarterback. Who's already been struggling to run the ball? Yeah. Jaylen Ernst is fun to watch, though.

I think it's a learning experience. You're going to watch a young quarterback who's running around as he learns the pocket, and I'm interested. And I do think their weapons are better than I perceived. I will say this. It's interesting about Brady. You know, when somebody's really popular or famous and they do something, whether they succeed or fail, my wife has a great saying.

You know, parents can be a great example or a horrible warning, like both work. And it's the same thing with like stars. When stars do something and it works, people will copy it. And when stars do something and it fails, people will go, I'm not doing that because that star did that and it didn't work. Brady's elevation of career is now making Bill Belichick even look lost. So in 2014, Belichick drafted Garoppolo in the second round. They saw a decline in Tom and they weren't going to have Garapolo sit around for four years.

They wanted to move off Tom within two years. And then Kraft stepped in and said, no, you're not going to do it. that and they moved Garoppolo out, Belichick reportedly not real happy. Kraft knew what he was doing. These are Brady's numbers. Since Garapolo was drafted and that was the time, that's a second round pick now. New England had issues, second round pick, that they saw decline. Since 2014, he's number one in the NFL and passing touchdown, passing yards, wins by a mile and Super Bowls. okay like that those numbers right there just since 2014 they're like equal to Troy Aikman's career numbers and he's a Hall of Famer so he has been now I will say this the game is easier

to collect passing yards than it was in Troy's career but the point being is they really misjudge this badly they really misjudge this now by the way Aaron Rogers did show a little bit of decline. Green Bay went and drafted Jordan Love. And Green Bay's Aaron Rogers got a coach in Matt LaFleur last two years. His numbers have gone up. So can you argue that the Jordan Love pick has inspired Aaron or that just he got a better coach? It's probably just got a better coach.

I don't think Aaron's inspired. I think Aaron goes to work pretty motivated with or without Jordan Love. But it just goes to show you is that what is, and I see this in broadcasting. There's a saying in broadcasting, once the eight is the first number, move off the broadcaster. But Ben Scully at 75 was still highly competent. Regis Philbin was on the air to like, you know, being funny in his 70s. Once the number's eight, then you move on. But you're seeing this.

You eat right, you work out, you take care of your body, your body takes care of you. You start looking at Brady right now. the next generation stats tell you he throws the ball as hard now as anybody in the league. So you have to kind of rework your brain a little bit on this stuff in any industry. The people that, like I say this about Russell Wilson. Russell's Tom. Russell, his mind is like Tom. He is like a grinder.

He's got some, you know, some willfulness, some aspiration to his personality. I could see Russell Wilson play until he's. 46 years old because he's already spending millions of dollars. And, you know, we think football players, those careers end early. I think it's tougher for basketball players. LeBron's falling apart, yet he's totally committed to his body. Why? Because for the quarterback, let's be honest, you play like 16, 17 games a year.

When you're going to get hit, you can either avoid it, go down, throw the ball away. You can control a lot of the violence you deal with. you don't travel as much. NBA guys, I'm telling you up, down. Planes, 33,000. I don't care if it's private or not. It's just a wear on your body. It is easier I'm finding in football,

as long as you're not in the trenches, that hand-to-hand combat. But if, like, for quarterbacks now, you know, Aaron Rogers, how many big hits does he take a year? Russell, not many. They really don't. I mean, you start looking at the game and how it's been the architect.

texture of it and the regulations and the safety features and you don't practice in pads, you don't hit as much in practice. So I think Tom's giving a great example to the league is be very careful about drafting your Jordan Love or bailing on Tom Brady. If your quarterback is committed physically and mentally to the sport, I think, you know, the 45 is the new 39. And I think it's very clear by Tom's numbers. He is not his ball.

He's still got his fastball. He's still throwing 98 on the corners. Be sure to catch live editions. of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people. people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. A lot avocado ice cream. You know what? I'm telling you that that stuff mattered. Now, for me, I don't care. I like an occasional cocktail and I like steak. Oh, yeah, I'm here for a good time. Yeah, I'm here for a good time.

I like, I like hamburgers. Yeah. I know, you know, I eat hamburgers. You and I are here for a good time. I'm here for a good time. Despite what the internet says, they don't pay me for what I look like, so I'll be all right. The Nets will be without Kyrie Irving for the foreseeable future due to his decision not to get vaccinated. But James Harden is not letting that situation change his mindset.

And he said he's focusing on continuing to pursue the team's goal of winning an NBA title. We all love Kai. But as far as us, we have a job to do. you know, and, you know, individually myself, you know, I'm still, you know, wanting to set myself up for a championship. And I feel like the entire organization is on the same path. And we're all just, you know, as a collective unit. So we'll keep pushing forward and we'll try to, you know, do our best,

every single day to get better and keep going as a collective unit. Have you talked to Kyrie since? No, I haven't talked to him. So I think we learned two things about the Kyrie's situation yesterday. One, that is a very telling quote. one that he hasn't talked to him and two that he said they are moving on as an organization and they are focusing on winning a championship they are a collective unit yeah and he is not there so i believe that james hardin and kevin grant were spoken to about what the decision was

going to be made about not moving forward with kairi if he's not going to be fully available and he's just said he hasn't spoken to him and the other thing was which would you pointed out earlier with the Instagram Live that Kyrie said he does want to play, that he doesn't want to finish his career this way. So that is good news for the Nets because if you can't trade someone who says they're going to retire. And also, you're not going to get a ton for him. Let's admit.

He's scared. But at this point, if you're trying to win the trade, that's illogical. Right, right. But could you get something? You get something. Could I get a first guy off the bench and a draft pick for Kyrie? I believe if you look at Kevin Durant and James Hardin's, games and how they play off each other.

The addition of Patty Mills. Blake's coming back. So is Lamarcus. All rich. Tell me the teams today for me. Forget Kyrie. They're a top three team in the league. Milwaukee,

Brooklyn, Lakers. Yeah. Maybe Clippers. But I mean, to me, let's not forget how great Katie and James are offensively, arguably the two best offensive players in the league along with Luca.

Right. So, like, I don't. think Kyrie is essential. Now, obviously, they're at their best if they were all healthy, but that's not realistic. That's not realistic, and it's not going to happen. I think they're really, I think they're an

incredibly dynamic team. Patty Mills, Katie, Lawrence. I just don't know what the trade market is for him. Not much. You're right. And it's not like he is a, you know, is not an expensive player as well. So there's a lot to pay attention to as far as a season and how this is going to progress. But it seems

like as an organization and KD and James Hardin are moving forward as if he's not going to be there because he can't be there. And they want to focus on the guys that are there and try and win a championship. Again, I think they're better with a healthy Kyrie on the floor, but that's not an option. So you have to start moving forward and game planning for him not being there. So John Gruden resigned as the head coach of the Raiders this week following the release of his past offensive emails. And team owner Mark Davis was asked about the situation on Wednesday and kept his response very short.

He said, I have no comment. Ask the NFL. They have all the answers. I'd like a little more from my leaders in life than hiding from a story and forcing my GM and quarterback. You force Derek Carr to essentially go to the podium and answer for her. Yeah, I didn't love Derek Carr's response either. But, you know, this is what it is.

You have to say something. And when the owner is not stepping forward and addressing. the situation. And really like that's to me, I have no comment. Ask the NFL. They have all the answers. It's a very backhanded. I have no comment. If you don't have a comment, you don't have a comment. It's no comment. But you do have a comment. It's asked the NFL. They have all the answers. So just kind of a sly snarky addition to a situation that doesn't require any extra negativity. And this is what it is. Like John Gruden made his own choices. You are still in charge of this organization. This is still your organization.

handle it. Now, he did say that Mike Mayak will have 51% of the decision-making power and personnel, and the interim coach will have 49%. So you're going to give an interim coach 49% of the power in the organization? That's weird. But anyway, that's strange to me. Look, I mean, it's not working there. No. Okay. I mean, we had doubts about this working on the field when Gruden was there. So I don't feel good about the direction that they're moving forward. And we played Brandon Staley earlier. We didn't play the beginning of his clip. which I've retweeted and I think it's on your Twitter as well. It's worth going to listen to because I think he was very,

he said a lot of good things, but the thing that he said that stuck out to me the most, which we didn't play on the show, was that it is, you know, it's a responsibility to be a leader. Like it's a privilege to be called a leader. There comes,

there's something that comes with being a coach and being a leader where you have a responsibility to others. And, you know, Mark Davis just not saying anything, just doesn't help the situation at all. So there's a big matchup between the brand, and Cardinals this Sunday on Fox.

Hey, we gave it to Sanchez. The bosses gave that game to Sanchez. I'm not saying you can't handle it. I'm like, no, I'm not saying, I'm saying that's an incredible. No, we're really impressed, Mark. It's the best game of the weekend, and you're getting it. You want to come up here and join us when we talk about it. This will be the second time that Baker Mayfield and Kyler

Maria face each other in the NFL. Can't wait. And Baker is expecting Kyler Murray in his competitive side to be on full display. He and I are very different personalities, but he's so, so extremely competitive. He might show it a different way, but he's extremely competitive. And I think that's, you know, another reason why he's at where he's at. With him, there's always something. You know, there's always a little bit of trash talk.

We see each other quite often in the offseason. And, you know, like I said, he might show it differently, but behind closed doors, he is quite the trash talker. So don't let him fool you. I can't picture Kyler Murray as a trash talker. This is such an interesting game. It's very important for Baker to play well against the contemporary. He's got to play.

This is not an old guy. Well, they played in 2019. Cardinals won 3824. I do not remember it. Kyler was 19 of 25, 219 yards, one touchdown, one interception, and rushed for 56 yards. And Baker was 30 of 43, 247 yards, two touchdowns, and one interception.

They both played well. Yes. The Browns are favored by three and a half, according to Foxxback. The Browns are favored by three and a half. That's interesting. No, that's good. Joy with the News. That's an interesting game. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herdline news.

By the way, I was not trash in Mark Sanchez. What I was saying is what companies do, like Aikman and Buck, you know, they get them on the, to me, this is the best game of the weekend. So you just did Arizona, San Francisco. Yes. So when you're Mark Sanchez joining us, a 10-year. in the NFL. So when you're doing a game upstairs, not only did you play the game, but you see the game differently than the television does,

you see the schemes. So is Arizona about Kyler, are they about the schemes? What did you see that unless you were at the game, and even if you were, you weren't a quarterback in the NFL formerly, what do you see about Arizona's offense that you like and that maybe surprised you?

Yeah, the tempo, the fast pace only works if they avoid some third downs in a drive. When they have to do it, 13 to 15, team plays in one drive, there's a little bit of a lull and a little bit of a stall because you have to go into your playbook and into your deeper scheme on third downs. So if you can avoid a couple third downs to start, that's when they're at their best. Do you like him up tempo? Oh, I love them up tempo. It's the same idea with Chip Kelly and the RPO and the quick throws.

You get the defense moving sideline to sideline, excuse me, sideline to sideline, you tire them out, boom, you hit them with a little quick inside zone. or a quick pass that hits and breaks up the seam because somebody missed an assignment. Somebody missed a gap because your three plays in and the DeLyman are running 53 and a third yards. So they put a lot of heat on you. And they're gassed. Oh, yeah, you're on your heels on defense. You blow one gap and boom.

There goes James Connor, who I called John Connor, I think, like seven times last week. Because he's the Terminator, man. John Connor, you know, that's where my head was. But him or Edmonds, I mean, they break and hit the seam or the defense, one of the defense, ends doesn't quite contain as well. And boom, Kyler's out on the edge. There's your big 33-yard splash play. Now we're in the plus 10. That's their game. That's that's the blueprint for them. What the 49ers did, I was so impressed with Fred Warner with their defense events. He's great, by the way.

Oh, my God. He's so good. Fred Warner's that new age linebacker that's taking over, right? The way tight ends evolved to now catch the ball, he's this new, this new age linebacker with the body type of basically an avatar that's like, I can both. up in fullback lead on draw and all that. I can stop power, but I can also run sideline to sideline and coverbacks. He's incredible. But what they did with the ends is normally like one's kind of high, one's kind of low, so they don't run into each other. And the aiming point is around nine and a half yards isish in the in the pocket, right? And the quarterback usually steps up to like eight, seven. They just rushed them deep, like almost 12, 13 yards. And they're like, okay, we're just

going to create a perimeter here within the tackle box and keep him in this middle lane. Keep him in the tackle box because Kyler's first move is out. Not up vertically. Attack the line of scrimmage. It's out. And then get out, like an up and out move. He's out immediately. And so they said, no, we're just going to put the clamps on that.

Make him operate in here. Remember, he's not really tall. So make him operate in this chaos where he's kind of like. And it worked. What's going on over there? Right? And it worked. As soon as he tried to spin out, they basically,

told those ends. Deep is the deepest, wide as the widest, the same way you play like chasing contained to make sure you don't get out leverage on a reverse or something. I was so impressed. And then the other thing that D'Amico Ryan's, I think that's the blueprint and the personnel that Cleveland has, they can do that.

They can do that with their ends. They have the guys to cover. They can do the exact same thing. So it could be a dog fight for them. However, I loved what Damico Ryan said. We're going to keep them in the pocket. We're not going to let them just run around. We're going to try and slow down this fast break, make him set up an offense, essentially like a basketball

terminology. He's like, and when we do, and we get to our proper depth, and we cover the right guy, and we're in the right gap, and we're fundamentally sound, he's still going to make plays. Yeah. He's still going to get us. And he did three plays in a row. Quarterback draw, pass up the sideline, lollipop in the air. Now, that thing almost hit the ceiling in the state farm stadium, okay? That thing was in the air for a long time, and Hopkins caught it like a fair catch, like a punt. Boom. They have that play, and then the very next play, he throws a fade-away, end-zone fade, touchdown, pretty much games. Yeah, I mean, you just have to own, because he's going to beat us sometimes. That's right. Now, Trey Lance, the one thing I noticed

when I watched him, I had it on the secondary TV because I was doing a lot of Browns Chargers, and you have Browns, Arizona this week, is that Trey's a big strong kid, and he throws heat. Oh, yeah. Not a lot of off-speed stuff right now. So to me, it looks like, it reminds me a little bit, I remember when Colin Kaepernick came in the league, you were like, okay, great athlete, big arm. He doesn't understand kind of the ball between, the off speed. So I do, when I see Trey, there's something there though, right?

Oh, 100%. There's plenty to work with. I think there was it was a nice conservative game plan. Yeah. The kind of game plan that kept the Cardinals, Vance Joseph, their defense coordinator, off balance a little bit. Although he kind of had an idea that

anywhere from third and two to six, even seven, quarterback run is legit. Yeah. Where a lot of teams, as soon as you hit third and three to six, all right, we're throwing the ball. Or we got some sort of gadget or whatever. We have something, but not that. I mean, they ran quarterback draw a couple times. Save for two fourth downs. I mean, the 49ers are right there. Oh, they were in the game late. Yeah. My only concern with Trey is, and this is a mechanical thing, you're not going to change the way somebody

throws, but you saw where JJ Watt was getting up and batting some of these balls. I mean, he batted some of them with like his elbow. I'm like, bro, you're six five. You're all of six five. That's right. For that ball to come that low and unload that thing and throw like your 5'10. Brock Osweiler had an issue with that. That was interesting to me. And for Kyler Murray to get a lot of passes tipped, fine.

That's just going to happen. Right. He's a smaller guy. Yeah. But that really surprised me. Now, I mean, is that, you know, just a career killer? Absolutely not. The kids are phenomenon. He's a stud. So I want to take, because you have the Browns Chargers, which is just going to be

a fascinating game. And I excuse me, Brown's Cardinals. So I said this, Kyler against Baker. And I said this two weeks out. Here's a witness. I said, the next eight weeks are going to be big for Baker because he's playing against contemporaries. Burrow, Mack, Lamar twice, Kyler, and Herbert.

So the GM, who inherited him is not saying, this is not Aaron Rogers, it's not Russell. If I don't think my guy's as good as those guys, I'm not giving you the bag. So this is a big week. This is a big game this week. Kyler can't be great in Baker's struggles. Here's what bothered with Baker. And I want, he's got 50 starts now, or 51.

He's not a kid. In that two-minute drill with no timeouts, he's dumping the ball, forget the checkdowns, over the middle. Like, I know that. You got to use the sideline. When you don't have any timeouts left, Mark, almost every route is sideline or a guy moving toward the sideline. Sure.

When you're looking at Film of Baker, what do you make of that last drive? I don't understand the third and nine run it unless you're for sure going to go for it. Right? Good point. Here's the other thing is the coat. I think Stefanski was quoted as saying, correct me if I'm wrong, Joy and Colin. He said, well, we had young tackles in, something like that.

He'd only been hit, maybe once or twice. Yeah, protection was pretty good. I mean, at any point, like, the game's on the line here. That personnel would be the last, I shouldn't say the last thing in my mind, but guys holding up in protection. You got to win the game. Yeah, like, you have. no choice. Like you can't run two tight ends and two backs on the field and be like, hey, let's

just slam it up in there and see what happens. You're like, what? Like, you've got to go. And I think that blew my mind. Third and nine, if it's two down situation, if it's four down situation, then I buy 100. You look at the quarter, sometimes the call would come in and you'd look back like, what? And he would remind you four down, four down. We're going for it on fourth down essentially, right? We had tags like that. Or they'll tell you, hey, I'm calling quick game here. I know. I know, it's third and 11, we don't need it all. Get me five. Get me four. Let this guy catch and run. We're four down. That was kind of like, you know, giving you a heads up because it affects the way you read that play, right? It changes the purpose of the play call. But to run it there and then

not go for it, I don't know. Here's the thing. It's crazy because it's eerily similar to the 2009 Jets, which I know obviously very well. That was my rookie year. Bill Callahan was our offensive coordinator. This run game that Cleveland's using, I mean, they don't need the quarterback to win the way they're running the ball, the way they're playing defense. They don't need the quarterback. The 2009 Jets, unfortunately, won in spite of their quarterback. That'd be me sometimes. Sometimes they're doing that in Cleveland because of the way they run the football. It's gap trap. It's power. It's trap. I mean, you name it. They have it dialed up and then they hit the play actions that look identical to it off of it.

So it's not a drop back pass team. It's a slug fest. Every time let's line up, get in the phone booth, and duke it out. I mean, that's kind of what they look like. Yes. So for us in the playoffs, when you needed some of those plays, we were such a run heavy, grounded pound like Rex used to talk about team, that when we did throw it, when we did line up in four wide receivers a couple times in the playoffs, we caught people off guard.

Right. They were like, whoa, what was that? And we completed five or six. six balls in a row. And they're like, holy cow, we thought we were ready for, maybe they're going to throw it, boom, and then we hit them with another run. You know, so we had a good little changeup going, that's the formula for them. That's, remember we said, 25 attempts?

That's like, I'd rather keep them right there. And that is not, I'm not knocking the guy. That's not a bad way to play. That's just a formula based on personnel. And that's what Stafansky's comfortable with currently. I think that's kind of what they're relegated to do. Like, okay. All right, I want to ask you, I want to take a.

break. There's an interesting question. Aaron Rogers gave Joe Burrow some advice. I want to get the best advice you were ever given by a quarterback. We'll come back and do it with Mark. Oh, I can't wait. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. He's by Carmen. I'm Dan Byard. We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex. Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, we come up with new episodes to not only look back at what happened, what you need to do at that minute, and also, look ahead of what's coming up in the fantasy football world. That's right, Dan.

Every week we're going to scour the waiver wire to find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup. Sit, starts, fantasy football players' rankings to get you ready to dominate the competition. Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Harmon and me, Dan Byer, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you be your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

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Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down,

and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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So two things to hit on before he go. So Aaron Rogers said, you know, before or after the game against Joe Burrow, he said he gave him some advice. His advice was, kids, slide. This is a rough league. That hurts. I didn't slide early slide. Did you ever have a veteran quarterback come to you and give you a nugget or something?

Oh, absolutely. I was fortunate enough to have Mark Brunel, Kevin O'Connell, who's now the offense coordinator with the Rams, Kellynne Clemens, other guys I looked up to and helped me, Rich Gannon. But guys who, they constantly talked about routine. Get yourself into a routine Monday through Sunday. And then in the offseason, make your notes on that routine as the season goes. and you're going to have to tweak it and fine tune it every single year. Pre-game routine, travel routine, all that,

just to keep you, you know, keep the bumpers on and bumper bowling for those first couple years, and then you adjust as you go. But one of my favorites was we would be in, Kevin O'Connell was on one side of our hotel room, the adjoining room, and Mark Brunel was on the other one, and we'd all meet in 408, which was my room in New Jersey, before our games with the Jets. and we'd go over the game plan.

And we would do like fake two minute drills. And Kevin, you could tell Kevin was going to be a coach. And Brunel is now coaching as well. But they were perfect because they'd say, okay, we're going, you know, Toyota, this, Mazda, that, blah, blah, blah. And we'd go through all of our place. And Kevin would say, okay, completion, three yards, left sideline, didn't get out of bounds. I'm like, okay, clock, clock, clock.

He goes, why? And at 45 seconds, we're doing this, we're doing that. And so we would do that for like an hour. The night before games, just hanging out. and Brunel would finally just like throw the papers up in the air. And we knew what we were done when this would happen. But Brunel would just throw the papers up in the air, the call sheet. He goes, hey man, you guys can keep this two-minute drill going as long as you want.

Bottom line, just throw it to the open guy, please. I'm going to bed. He would just walk to his room. It was. Sometimes it is that simple. It was awesome. Okay, here's another thing. Patrick Mahomes, he did this a little in college, as Ryan Rusillo talked about earlier.

He had a bad defense. You overcompensate in Kansas City. their defense has forced 11 puns. It's not good. I mean, against Buffalo, it was bad. Right. And the argument can be made that Mahomes sees it, senses it, and tries too hard. In your career, either way, did defense ever dictate a little bit psychologically how you played?

A little bit. I think those are the things you fight and you also have to understand with Mahomes. The two games that he's really tried to force a little too much, I mean, against the Chargers and Staley and how well Herbert played. played on the other side. I mean, those were like playoff matchups. And then the bills, that's a playoff team. That's a legit, you know, final four team right now and last year. So I think teams are catching up a little bit.

Teams are starting to figure this thing out. A little bit. And you heard Staley talk, I think he was on your show saying, hey, we're going to keep a lid on it. You're not going to throw this ball over the top. Two deep. Two safeties. We got the umbrella coverage on it. And we'll take our chances underneath and force you to be really boring. and take underneath completions

and do it 15 plays in a row and you're going to screw it up before we do. And you're starting to see a little more of that because other teams would get, you know, they'd get a little more courage and say, hey, let's go hit him in the mouth. It's Patrick Mahomes guy, whatever. Boom, let's go smack them.

Well, good luck because there goes Tyree Kill and there goes, you name it, right by you and he hits you with the big strike. Now teams are like, okay, just wait for them to screw it up a little bit. Yeah. I can't believe this is, you're going to have so much fun,

Cardinals and the Browns. This big one. Fired up. It really, really is. You know, it is, when you watch Kyler Murray and you sit there sometimes, it's just, I'm not a big envy guy, but you ever look at him run and think? I said it on the air the other day. I said, if I could just run like that, just one Sunday, wake up knowing I could run like that, roll out of bed and just run like that. Oh, God. That would be my favorite memory of all time. But I thought last week was good for Kyler and his development because it wasn't as simple and easy and effective offensively. He had to grind it out. They had plenty of three and outs, plenty of sacks.

He was kind of suffocated a little bit by D'Amico Ryan's in that defense. And then he found a way on one drive. Sometimes that's all it takes. Three plays in a row, quarterback draw, completion completion, game. And he learned that. He has that club in his bag. He has that notch in his belt. Like, okay, it might not be perfect.

But I think when you can learn those lessons and win, that's so big for your confidence. So he, I mean, he was great in our production meeting and everything. He was. Oh, like, he's like, let's roll, man. Like, I hope they pressure me. Like, I'm ready. I know where they're coming from and I'm going to beat you. Like, he just sounded so confident.

And judging from the reaction with everybody else who's been in those meetings with him before, said it's a complete 180. He's, you know, just feeling so good and so strong and confident with where he's out and he should be. Well, you're doing great for us at Fox. Cards, Browns Sunday at 4 Eastern. Dodgers Giants tonight, Tom Brady and the Philadelphia Eagles tonight. Sports rolls on. By the way, Dodgers Giants game five is your Discover card key matchup. Discover matches all the cashback. You earn on your credit card end of the first year automatically and with no limit. Get used to hearing yes. Discover.com slash yes. Mark, thanks so much. Joy Ryan. We'll see you all tomorrow. Speak for yourself is coming up next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,

help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me.

84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to Look Back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Cliford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you

get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.