The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Rookie QB Coverage & NIL Money

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

LaVar and Jonas give Zach Wilson his proper credit as a Polynesian players. Cam Ward continues to get less attention than Shedeur Sanders. A big name recruit in college football continues muddy the waters of NIL payments. Plus, a familiar face at the top of the rankings, a potential blockbuster trade and more! #2prosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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T-Rex, I mean, LeVar Erington. Dang. Jonas Knox with you here. In for Colin. T-Rex. I got to right now. Got to keep my armpits closed. Very offensive.

I don't know why I forgot to put the odor in all. Sorry. I mean, in our defense, normally we don't see another living, breathing human body. So it don't even matter. At the time we're working, because it's three in the morning, there's nobody around. It's a valid point. Seeing actual people you work with. Saying traffic, light, sunlight.

It really is, it really is bizarre. Brilliant. But we are in for Colin. It is the final hour of the shows we take you all the way up until three Eastern time, noon Pacific here. You can listen to us on the IHeart Radio app. And you can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country here. Before we get into this discussion about the latest on a quarterback competition in the NFL,

we had a major, major discussion that needed to be concluded here on the air. And that was... And you were right. You were correct. Well, let's, I mean, let's find out how correct I was. Let's find out how correct. So this is, welcome to July, everybody. Is Zach Wilson really Polynesian?

And for that, we go live to our Polynesian insider Lee DeLap. who is standing in Waikiki for the latest. Lee? Yes, that is correct, Jonas Knox. Zachary Capono Wilson is, in fact, quarter Polynesian, his dad being half Hawaiian. He, in fact, did win the 2020 college football player of the year and is in the Polynesian College Football Hall of Fame.

There you go. Good for you, Zach. Had no idea. I was today years old when I found that out, man. God bless. What did you think he was? What? Zach Wilson?

you see the dude he looks as as freaking all-American white boy as it gets period see but that just goes to show you we live in a world where you just should not judge people by the parents of them you judged them by who they are because it really shouldn't even matter and it's it's radio i could be jamaican exactly imagine if you was running up on him like hey white boy right and and he's like but i'm polynesia and you're like but i'm polynesia and you're you actually got offended by him saying he was Polynesian. By the way, you don't want to play with them. Oh, no, no.

And if he's bringing that side of his family to the party, I would just tell you right now. I didn't know how deep that stuff was until I lived on the West Coast. Yeah, mind your queens and Q's. Let me tell you, Polynesians, the Tungans, what is it, Pacific, Pacific Islanders? Man, look here. Warriors, like for real warriors. Yeah. Like, they get the door and that.

that stuff right yeah forget about it i don't want no parts of that yeah you go to uh you spend enough i remember we were staying i went to hawaii one time we were staying at the hotel that the university of hawaii players were staying at because they would stay at a hotel the day before games and these guys are walking around the lobby and i'm looking at them going first of all maybe none of them are going to play professionally and they're all walking around and it's like a barn with legs just massive there's some big dudes man

there's calf muscles and oh my god they're just some big dudes man like different type of big different type of big dudes man yeah mamas be big too they big too just big solid built people man good for y'all

man I could use some of that them legs because I got little legs I got leg envy got no can You do? Yeah. Look at me.

Yeah, but we're on the same, we're on the same leg program. High legs like crutches. I mean, I ain't quite Jim Jones with my legs, but it's bad. Now, little legs. Speaking of quarterbacks. Cladsdale never won the Kentucky Derby, though. Just keep that in mind, all right? That's what my mom used to tell me.

You never saw a line catch a cheetah. So there you go. Yeah. That was how she made me feel good about my little legs, you know, because my legs was little. But go ahead, man. You know who's not Polynesian? Who?

Cam Ward. You sure? So that brings up the discussion of what's going on. Hold on, hold on, Cam Ward. By the way, if he's Polynesian, we're going to have to elite. He's black, dog. If he was Polynesian, I'm literally walking right out in the traffic. I will do the show from my phone in the middle of Ventura.

That's enough. But that being said, Cam Ward finds himself the number one pick of the draft for the Tennessee Titans, and he's going to be, quote, unquote, competing for the job with Will Levis, who is currently there. And so the Titans' offensive lineman,

J.C. Latham, was on Sirius XM NFL radio and discussed the QB battle for the Titans. If you're a ball player, if you, you know, love this game, then, you know, Will's just not going to sit over here and say, oh, we drafted him, go ahead, take it, and Cam's not going to expect it to be just given to him. You know, and throughout the spring, I think that's the one thing that, you know,

all the coaches and players on the team have seen, like, both of them taking the challenge of, like, trying to really earn the spot and really fight for the spot. And, you know, it just made them better, you know. You can see the improvements from Will, and you can see the sharpness of Cam. So, and Cam's taking a lot more of a leadership understanding of taking accountability. The team goes and what the quarterback goes. So, you know, in that regard, said, the tone. We can

dress this up as a quarterback competition all we want. Will Levis has no shot. None. At all. Bro. injury. Okay. Yeah, that. But Cam Ward was drafted number one overall. You've got a brand new regime. Strike number one. Yeah. Strike number

two. Who drafted him. And you've got a head coach who, because of the new regime, if he doesn't win this year, or at least prove that he's the guy for Cam Ward's development, he's gone. Dang. So it's almost like, Brian. So it's almost like Brian Callahan. You get four strikes? I mean, you didn't throw in there three wins last year. Yeah. I mean, if you're Will Levis, sure you accept the

challenge of trying to remain the starting quarterback, but you were the starting quarterback of a three-win team the year before. Like, Brian Callahan has no choice but to start Cam Ward. Number one pick. That's number one pick at quarterback. That says he's a day one starter. Day one starter. But they dress it up as, well, no, it's just, you know, competition and we'll love us. Look, man. It's tongue in cheek.

Like, we saw what happened last year. Gerard Mayo tried to, you know, play the song and dance when it came to Jacoby Brissette and Drake May. And even said along the lines of, yeah, Drake May is actually outplayed Jacoby Brissette, yet named Jacoby Brissette the starter. And it's like, yeah, man, you can't, like, I know that we want to make this out to be like it's this true competition. it's not. It's not because of all the other factors that are there. Even if Will Levis had slightly outplayed Cam Ward in training camp and in the preseason, I think Cam Ward would still be the guy. He'd still get the chance to be the starting quarterback from day one because there's too many other factors in play when it comes to the brand new regime

who took him number one overall. He was the guy they identified as their quarterback of the future. and you've got a coach who is clearly on the hot seat. He's looking around going, man, the guy who hired me is out of here. There's a new structure in the front office. If I don't produce or if I'm not showing that I'm the solution, then I'm gone. And then we're going to be staring down the barrel of another quarterback comes in for one year. There's a coach that's fired, and now he's got to work with another guy the next year in the year, too.

We've seen it so many times. There's a lot of ways the win could blow this topic just because of all of the uncertainties and unknowns of what's surrounding this Tennessee Titans team. But one thing that we do know for certain is that the quarterback competition is with a quarterback that was a part of a three-win team the year before. This year's quarterback that is added to the quarterback room is the number one overall pick, not number two, not number three, not number four, not number five. and as amazing as it would be to be, because I know I was a number two overall pick, amazing as that is, it's not number one. It's not number one. Cam Ward is your number one overall draft pick in the draft.

He's going to play. Now, how that plays out in terms of how you view the coach, you know, and what his role will be, Callahan, what he's able to do or not. do, there's a lot of moving parts connected to that because you have to give a guy like Cam Ward the opportunity to be able to adapt and to adjust to being in the national football league. That's just part of it. You got to give a guy the opportunity to grow. You got a running gang.

You got Tony Pollard in the backfield. He's a pretty serviceable running back. I ain't going to give him elite talent, but he's a really good football player. That could take a little pressure off. I would like for them to have a better running back so that it takes more pressure off of them. I would like for them to have a better tight end so it takes more pressure off of him. Those are guys that, to me, are very vital to the early stages of a quarterback in having successes, having those safety blankets, those vows in a running back in a really good tight end.

But you do have Calvin Ridley. They added Tyler Lockett. That's a lot of leadership value there. They have players in place where you'd say they have weapons for the guy they brought in. They have the opportunity to see what they have. Don't ruin that by wasting your time trying to figure out if he's the guy for the job or not. When you're a number one overall draft pick, you've already made the determination that he's good enough to start at the league level day one. Don't have to have the conversation about giving it to him.

Don't have to have the conversation about him earning it. All those things come with him within the locker room. But in terms of how the coaching staff should be looking at him, that's a day one starter. Yeah. It's a day. And it's not even a hard decision to make. You don't have a choice. How poorly the team played and performed last season.

It's not even a hard decision, a hard debate to have. That's what I've said. Even if you did get to training camp, into the preseason and Will Levis did slightly outplay him. It's the preseason. You're still making Cam Ward the starter. And we've had this conversation numerous times about the four quarterbacks

that are in Cleveland. I don't care if Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders lighted up in the preseason. It really does not matter. You're not climbing from fourth string to first string. Chances are it's very, very

strong chance. A third rounder is not climbing from third string to first string starting quarterback. It's almost, it is a, almost a slim to none situation where it plays out that a fifth rounder some way somehow climbs up three spots to become the starter. A third rounder climbs up two spots to become a starting quarterback. It's just not realistic. But, but when you look at a team like Tennessee,

And your depth chart is a three-win team depth chart. Some of the guys are new. Some of the guys were there. One of the guys that was there is the starting quarterback from last year. It's not the same proposition when the number one overall pick comes in. And it's a three-win team from a year ago. And the starting quarterback from the year ago is not like they are not going to be given the benefit of the doubt. We're going to start Will Levis and see what Cam Ward can do.

It's actually going to be the opposite. So when Zach Taylor was in Cincinnati, I think it was the first couple of years, they were pretty rough. And I think he might have been a two-win team his first year, four-win team the second year, and then Joe Burrow was drafted. Like, Zach Taylor, his whole goal in order to keep his job was to show some sort of hope and development of Joe Burrough so that he could be kept around. and if you're Brian Callahan, you're kind of in the same spot, which is interesting because he came from Cincinnati, but if you're Brian Callahan, you're kind of in the same spot. Your whole goal, yeah, you want to win games,

but ultimately you want to show the front office who drafted that guy number one or all. Hey, your investment is better served with me guiding him than anybody else. And the only way you do that is by playing him as much as possible. And that's why there's like, well, you know, there's a competition. Will Levis, man, no offense to Will Levis. It's over. It was over last year.

They were trying to figure out how to put dirt on it last year. I mean, let's be real. About the end of the season, they were trying to put dirt on Will Levis last year. I mean, and that's why happens when you lose. There's no way around that. When you're not productive in a sport of total, total discrimination, they discriminate on your production. If you're productive, they love you. If you're not, get out of here.

Period. And I don't care if you were productive last year. If you're not productive this year, you still can walk. Get out of here. Get out of here. So the bottom line here, you do have to play Cam Ward. And you got to make it so Cam Ward gets small victories, not big ones. Go for small goals, not big ones.

Little victories, not big ones. You stack little victories. Next thing you know, you got a whole bunch of little victories. Next thing you know, you've built some momentum. And then you can take all of those little ones collectively and make them a big win. That's how you've got to approach this with Cam Ward. And not because it's that Cam Ward can't be that type of quarterback in the league. He went number one overall.

He can be. It's that your team might not be in the position to be what Cam Ward needs to be or what Cam Ward can show to be if he's on a team in the proper elements in the proper situation to have that type of level of success where he wins MVP, rookie MVP award and shows that he's one of these guys to be to look at, be looked at in hitting into the future of his career. You know, it's kind of wild because everything you hear about Cam Ward, great guy. Everybody talks about stand up dude, works hard, keeps his head down, humble, great teammate,

all, like, he's got everything you could want in a starting quarterback. He had a great year last year, all of it. he's gotten a fraction of the coverage as the number one pick to Shador Sanders, who was picked 144. If you compare, that's not a fraction. That's not even a fraction. He's number one pick of the draft. Number one overpicking the draft. And we've spent more time.

Yes. We spent all our time. Us included. This is the first time we're talking about Cam Ward since he's gotten drafted. So the moral of the story is if Cam Ward would up his game and start getting some speeding tickets, we'd spend more time talking about you too. Okay? So get out there and just step on it a little bit.

It really works to Cam Ward's advantage. If the attention and the focus is not directly on him, which you'll see that drastically dramatically change soon as the season gets going because he is the number one overall pick and he is a quarterback and he is a black quarterback. So you always can add that into the equation as well. there will be a ton of attention that goes his way

once this season gets ramped up. But it is curious to think that there have been a lot of players coming out of the draft that have been talked about at nauseam and none more than Shador Sanders. And he's a fifth round draft pick, fourth on the depth chart. And we're talking about him more during the course of shows. And not just us. I'm not just saying us.

I'm saying the media in general than they are Cam Ward in Tennessee. It's wild, man. That is pretty wild. So, hey, you know, good to be... Guilty. Good to be... Good to be Shudor, I guess. And by the way, shame.

Shame on us. Hey. I'm talking about Cam Ward every day from here on out. Someway, somehow, I'm bringing up Cam Ward during the show. Hell yeah. Because he deserves that, because he was number one. overall draft pick. And, you know, based on earlier, if he was Polynesian, it would have led the hour.

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there's a there's a ranking that's out and a familiar face is at the top find out who it is in the herd line news coming up 20 minutes from now here on fsr strong tease bro so we've got the latest layer to the nil world that we're all living in Felix Ojo, who is a five-star offensive lineman, he is committed to Texas Tech. Now, me personally, I look at that because I'm not going to swim in the negative side of the pool, like some people here.

I look at that and I go. This is great for Texas Tech. They got a big-time recruit. Clearly, somebody who loved the Texas Tech program and is doing it for all the right reasons. Give us some. Give us some... Greg Tooie.

Right of Tuey. Give us some context here. Jose Al Tuey can't help himself. So go right ahead. Well, I think this was a fascinating story that flew into the radar over the holiday weekend. But this kid, very talented, top 10 recruit in the country by most services. And his supposed final four was Florida, Michigan, Ohio State, and Texas. Which are all way better teams than Texas Tech.

Playoff were the national championship. I mean, that's just the truth. All right. But over the weekend, he shocked everyone and committed to Texas Tech with a fully guaranteed three-year, five-million-dollar contract. Right. Does it say, do you have the article pulled up by Chad? I do, yeah. Does it say where the contract came from?

Who gave the contract? Yeah, it's one of their big, it's called the Matador Club, Texas Tech. And also, if you remember, They got the girl, the softball, the pitcher from Stanford. Yes. After this past year, she took them into the national championship game. Right? They basically bought her too.

So here's where it gets interesting for me and how you look at this. That's a collective, I'm assuming, some type of collective to be able to pay the player. When you start getting into saying guaranteed contracts, one of the elements when the NCAA versus the House settlement, came about was creating a cap for for and it's like 20 million cap but i'm pretty certain that that cap is for all sports so whatever the cap is for the football team is the cap for the football team getting into doing guarantee contracts i feel like this now opens up a different door one how do you justify what those guarantees are because this is a not pay for play. You're not hiring him as an employee of the university and you're paying him

this guaranteed contract over three years. That's not correct. He's being paid for NIL services. So whatever it is that, you say, $5 million over three years. So whatever it is that he has to do, that has to be approved by a governing body, an appointed group that says that, okay, He did this appearance. That appearance is worth X amount of dollars, not this amount. It's worth 5,000, not 100,000, right? So now you have to be able to justify how much you're paying these athletes based upon what they're doing within the name, image, and likeness space of college sports.

That opens up an entirely different conversation because now if this kid says, okay, I'm going to get the guaranteed money. I'm going here for one year. And then I want to hit the portal because I'm having a good season, but our team isn't. And I want to go somewhere else. What happens next? That is now the conversation that has to take place. What happens next if you have this air quotes guaranteed contract for three years' time at Texas Tech?

And it came through a collective or whatever it is that they're called. They have a big billionaire donor to his funnel up. It can't be coming direct from a billionaire donor straight to the athlete. That's still a violation. That's not compliant. So in this scenario, is the new team going to buy out the contract of the collective from this school? Are you going to pay the remaining $4 million? Because you'd have to assume if you come in with a guaranteed contract, your freshman

year is going to be a lower number than all the other years. You'd have to assume the numbers would go up as the years would go up because they haven't done anything. So you're kind of trying to hedge your bet in terms of what you're going to invest in that player heading into their second and third year where perceivably they're going to leave after their third year in school. So now you're in a situation where you've got to figure out who's taking care of these contracts.

What happens? It's like, okay, if I leave and I say, I don't care if this next school pays out the contract that I have guaranteed with you guys, I'm leaving in the portal. What does that look like? How does the school that has you manage that? And how does the school that's taking you in? How do they manage that? There's just a lot of questions. This whole, it was so much better when things were illegal.

Just give them the cash. Yeah, like, yeah, like we all. You all knew what was going on, but we didn't know the details of it, and we could just be like, all right, listen, they got a five-star recruit. They probably paid him. Fine. And he's an offensive line, and they would never go there. It's like, was it Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss who had all those guys come in?

Remember, like, Lequan Treadwell? Yeah. All those guys came as part of one Robert Chemdeech. Yeah. As part of one recruiting class. And everyone looked at it and said, well, that's a little suspect. I had an old miss get the top. A&M did it too.

Hell of a recruiter. He freeze. He breathed. What happened there? And then, you know, Robert Candice's, you know, like, you know, smoking synthetic weed and falling out of a window. Dang. You said he was high jumping. But now there's just so much that we don't, it's almost like we have less answers now than we did before.

And we have all the information to where you're not quite sure who's paying. for what? You're not quite sure what this means. You don't know if he wants to opt out or if he wants to transfer somewhere what that means. You don't know, like, all of these different factors that have just been thrown into it. And I don't know where we go from here. Like, when are we going to get to a point to where, all right, these are the rules, this is what's at play. This is what you can do. And this is what you can't do.

Done. It's because there's so many legal battles that are taking place. It's hard to, even with. the future of what the NCAA as a governing body represents to these schools. What is the dynamic between conferences? What is

the dynamic between conferences, the NCAA and television? You know, the television stations. There are so many moving parts here. And the one part that to me is going to be the most interesting of them all

is athlete versus employee. That's going to be the biggest conversation because once you get to a place of where you have to call these athletes employees, then now the floodgates are open to all the other elements that come into play because as of right now, this is still not pay for play. It has to be stated in all of these conversations. It is still not play pay for play, meaning I'm not hiring you. Penn isn't hiring this kid to come there and play there for three years, right? That's not how this works.

So until you get to a point of where you say, and even once you get to that point, now the question becomes, are you hiring them as an employee? What are you hiring them under? Are you hiring them as an employee to the university? Are you hiring them as an employee under a different entity? How is that happening? If you don't hire them as an employee, how are you hiring them? Are they an independent contractor?

How is that contract being done? Can I get out of the contract because I'm an independent contractor? And I did the deal in a different way where I can loophole getting out of this contract because I'm an independent contractor. There are so many effed up conversations connected to where the NCAA or where college sports is now in this NIL era. And they don't have, I can't even imagine that. they have the answers to be able to put in place to create the structures that are able to make these healthy and safe environments for all involved. It's just not there. I think the other fascinating thing, LeVar, we were talking about this in the break, is that

nowadays, the best players in the country are not necessarily going to the best schools. That's correct. And this kid is chasing short-term money instead of long-term potential security. at a better school with better coaching. Schools are going to be playing for national championships and the playoff, prime time. Like, that's not going to happen in Texas Tech. It's a strong observation.

And also, I understand it from their standpoint because they're looking at it going, yeah, the ceiling is higher if I go somewhere, get developed and get to the next level. But there's no guarantees I'm going to get to the next level. So here's my $5 million I'm going to get. And at least this $5 million I can see, the $50 million. NFL career, I can't see. So I'm going to take what I can see. Well, here's the quote from his agent.

He said, in the story, football is a brutal sport. And athletes are not able to play professionally until their graduating class has been in college three years. It was important to be able to secure Felix's future and give him and his family some security as he continues to develop into a first round NFL draft. You do realize what this is. It's a bargaining tool. It is an establishing of what he represents within the market.

So in other words, if I'm a five star and I chose to go here and this is the contract that I have that's guaranteed, I'm not going any lower than that. So I have every intention of leaving Texas Tech

to go play somewhere else and y'all got to pay me more or I'll just stay where I'm at. I have this guaranteed contract here. I'll stay where I'm at. Or it becomes a bargaining chip for these athletes, for their agents, to be able to go to the other schools,

shop their client around, and say, here's our starting point. He's making $3 million this year out of that $5 million. What are you willing to do? What are you willing to do? Because at the end of the day, I would assume that these contracts can't be, they've got to be at-will contracts.

Like, you can't lock a dude in and say, nope, we own your rights. At least not that I think. I mean, I could be wrong. But I would think that these are at-will contracts. Felix Ojo's agent was on Fox Sports Radio on Friday night, talking with Aaron Torres and Arnie Spaniar. And he says, he claims it was all through revenue share.

And he said that they chose Texas Tech because they guaranteed three years, no other school would do more than one. There you go. So there you go. And now this is, again, this is like Cleveland given DeShan Wals. and a guaranteed contract, right? You have one that jumps out there to get a player that they wouldn't maybe necessarily thought

they would have been able to get a hold of. You're going to have schools that jump out there and offer these types of opportunities because they wouldn't have been able to get a hold of a five-star athlete to this caliber if they didn't do something differently than what the other schools are doing, which now will eventually, there's two ways of looking at this.

The bigger schools will hold their water and hope that they can recruit guys that want to come there for the reasons that they want them to come there for and if the guy goes and proves out at a Texas Tech then they make their decision from there or they say I don't want you at all

you're not the type of guy we want on our team that exists as well but you have two ways of approaching it either you say okay good we're never going to do that we are never going to give more than a one-year contract to guys of how competitive this field is,

or you're going to say, we got to start doing guaranteed contracts. The ones that say we're doing one-year contracts, they're generally the ones that are going to be able to dictate what the rules are to a certain degree in a certain capacity, still can get the type of recruits that they want and can come get your recruit if they prove out. If you start doing the guaranteed contract for more than one year

at, say, an Ohio State or a Michigan or a Texas or one of those are Alabama, at one of those type schools, then the landscape has now took a turn for the wildest period. Period.

Forever. There's no going back. If Ohio State says we're giving out three-year guarantees for NIL contracts, before we even get to the point of them being employee-contracted players, the whole game is going to change.

Man, not long for the good old days when Ricky Rose dad got got a tractor. Pang chips. I mean? Nice, nice new John Deer in the driveway. Instead,

we got all this mumbo-jumbo with contracts going around. And you don't even know, you don't even know what happens. Like, you don't even really know what really all of the ends and outs of how it's going to be handled. If this, all of the contingencies,

what if he gets injured? What if he fails out of school? Do you have all of those things written into that contract? How many piece of, pieces of language are going to be in that contract. How many things that they think about versus how many things that they might have not have thought about yet?

You can't take a pro contract and compare it to an athlete in college as a contract because the deliverables are much different. They're much different. If a kid doesn't get a certain GPA and he finds himself academically ineligible, does he still get that? You can't call that conduct. detrimental to the organization. I mean, maybe you could,

but how? You just didn't get the grades. So now, because of the institution that he's in, which is in a way separate from what you're doing in football, is now saying you're not eligible to play because you don't have a good enough grade. I still want my money.

I still want my money. You can put me on the sideline, rule me ineligible, but this contract says if I'm here and I'm on this team that I get paid this amount of money, how are all of these things going to be navigated? It's so many questions. It's concerning in a lot of ways. I mean, I know it's exciting.

Players should have been paid. They should get compensated. But there should have been more of a structure in play and prepared for a time such as this. And now it's like, you know, the roosters are coming back home to roost. That's why I always say, man, thank God for SimplySafe. Because True Security is having a system that is proactive, not just reactive. SimplySafe is designed to help stop crime before it starts. Get 50% off your system with professional monitoring.

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The first rendition of this is ranking the top running backs in the league. coming in at number one, probably no surprise to anyone. Sequin Barkley receiving every first place vote but one in the 70 people surveyed. So Saquan Barclay, a near unanimous number one, Derek Henry number two, Javier Gibbs, number three, Bejohn Robinson, fourth, and Christian McCaffrey coming in at five. Okay, and these were... How does CMAQ come in at five? Some of the feedback there was he's a great player, but he has had...

He doesn't, yeah, he's not durable. I mean, again, it's just like that lemon car that we were talking about, right? Did we talk about that on the air or was that off air? Yeah, on the air. Yeah, you don't want to drive a non-dependable car. I remember the stuff we talked about off the air. I tend to try to forget. Intentionally.

Regarding Christian McCaffrey, NFL personnel executive was quoted saying he's an elite trainer. He takes great care of himself. Just doesn't have a big. enough body. An elite trainer takes care of himself, but gets hurt. Like, that's what you want to say. Right. You can't make him a top five player if he's always hurt.

That's just all I'm saying. I mean, it feels like there's some racial undertones there, to be honest with you. I wasn't going down that road. So I'm just wondering, who's voting on this again? This is league executives, coaches, and scouts. And there was one that voted against Sequin Barclay. Well, it probably took Derek Henry. Or he worked for the Giants.

Or he worked for the Giants. Give me so. That's a good one. Who didn't think Seguan Barclay was the best running back in the league last year? How's anybody voting against that? It could have been somebody from Baltimore. Come on, man. He just ran for 2,000 yards.

Come on, man. Who says that? Who would vote for anybody other than Sequin Barclay last year? That was unanimous. You could argue he should have been the MVP of the league. He was. the MVP of the league. And somebody, somebody had the balls to go? If he breaks the

record, he's the MVP of the league. So he should have got it for the simple fact that they held him out and he did not break the record. Done. Yeah, that seems pretty... That's your MVP of the league. Seems pretty unanimous. I don't understand who else got the vote, but okay.

Hey. All right. Souts out the King, Harry. Yeah. We'll stay in the NFL and the Washington commanders, their star wide receiver, Terry McLaurin, holding out, expected to be holding out come training camp, but they are trying to negotiate. They're trying to negotiate a new deal. And the latest from Jeremy Fowler, Terry McLaren, quote, not happy with where things are regarding an extension.

And they have a couple of weeks here to make progress before risking a holdout that drags on into training camp. Adam Schaefter also adding to the Terry McLaren situation. There's no update. that's what the problem is. There is quite a gap between where both sides are and want right now and they have not made any progress. So things not

looking positive for Washington and Terry McLaren as they look to build on last year's surprising NFC championship run with Jayden Daniels in his rookie season. Here comes TJ Wat. It's getting a little dicey. It's getting a little dicey there.

Look, I acknowledge generally speaking, these deals get done, you know, usually, you know, at the wire right before the year, whatever. But in real time, I love this stuff. I think it's fascinating. Just to see the back and forth and how it plays out in the media, the different reports and all the other things that are going on, the T.J. Watt stuff. But Terry McLaren, look, he's a guy, I can imagine, they desperately want back, just based on the fact that he's been really one of the foundation. pieces with that team with all the controversy and all the stuff that's gone on over the past several years.

He's always been a really good player. But he's a wide receiver. He's getting up there in years. And I can understand them not wanting to maybe empty the vault for Terry McLaren. But it would be a tough loss for them as an organization because he's one of the team leaders there. They got Noah Brown. They got Michael Gallup. They added Devo Samuel.

and some people think he's overweight, but I think he's still Debo Samuel until he proves he's not. Wait, what? They said there's a new chunky, there's a new chunky Debo Samuel. I ain't going into all that. That's what I've heard. But I'm just saying,

this might be, this might be the continued setting of the table for T.J. Watt to end up in Washington. And Terry ended up in Pittsburgh. I'm just saying. Debo Sam, they said the chunky Debo Samuel has shown up to, you know, he can't wear them tight. little shorts he'd been wearing pregame into the locker room at the current weight that he's at.

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