The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Roughing the passer, NFL

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

UCLA HC Chip Kelly talks about what makes his offense the best in country right now More on the NFL and their current roughing the passer rule Thoughts on WR DaVante Adams' actions after the Raiders loss to the Chiefs   Guests: Chip Kelly, Mike PereiraSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. Now let's get this party. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, we said before the season started, the best team in college football that nobody was talking about was UCLA. And they've gotten better every year under Chip Kelly. And they returned to quarterback Dorian Thompson, Robinson, who was really this raw gem when he arrived on campus. And Chip Kelly, you know what he does at college. He scores a lot.

The Bruins now lead college football in scoring. And Dorian Thompson Robinson has become one of the, he's in the high. Heisman race now. So first of all, Chip, great senior. Let's go back to when you first got him. He was, I mean, I remember watching him early and thinking, boy, there's a lot of work here. I watch him this year, and his confidence,

he's like a different player. When was the moment for you that he turned a corner? Well, he's done it for a while here. I just don't think he's gotten enough notoriety on it, to be honest with it. We played, I think, in 18, we were playing

Washington State up there, down 42. 217 and the third and beat him 6763. You know, and in some of our, in some of our biggest games against our biggest rival across town, he's played phenomenal. You know, last year he threw for four and ran for two against him. The year before he was 30 or 35 against him. I think what we've done is we've got some parts around him that are helping him

and contributing with him. But what we're seeing is a byproduct of his work ethic and his work ethic is tremendous. You know, Chip, your offense is so unique because, you know, Usually I can watch an offense and say, this is what it is. But you use your tight ends way more effectively than a lot of offenses. I consider you at times a power running game. But yet, Dorian, who's very athletic, loves to throw from the pocket. So I'm not, you know, I don't sit and watch film all day.

How would you describe your offense? I think Bill Walsh started back in the old days with the West Coast offense. And then I was on the East Coast at the time. So we liked a lot of the things he did. So I would name our offense the Seacoast offense. If we see it and we like it, we're going to run it. I like that. You know, I actually think, you know, when I heard you were moving to the Big Ten,

and people are like, oh, the travel, and I'm like, it's four road games. Who cares about a travel? But stylistically, you're going to play in more bad weather. And I look at it and I think, yeah, but Chip Kelly teams, they run. So I don't think it's that big of a deal. I think stylistically, I think it helps your home crowd, you know, Wisconsin, Michigan, all those cold weather teams come to UCA. I think the environment recruiting, I think you're going to flourish.

But I do think stylistically, my takeaway is I think your offense works in Big Ten football. How do you view that? No, I agree. Our offense is an NFL offense. Got a lot of experience when we were there. Our old line coach is an NFL guy and he was with Jim Harvore for a long time. So I think our offense matches up really well with what that conference is all about. you know, Ryan Day, who's at Ohio State, runs a similar offense, and he's killing it.

He's got really good players, and he's killing it, too. So I think stylistically, I think we really fit in what the Big Ten is doing. I think the transfer portal is really valuable for California schools. You get bounceback kids. The kids will leave California, and then they go to the weather or the South, and they're like, I miss California. You went and got a running back, Jack, Zach Charbonnet, who is as good a, transfer portal player in the last three years almost anybody's gotten he is just unbelievable

what we having coached in the nfl what would you compare him to because he's obviously a very high draft you know he's a high round player who would you compare him to you know that's a really good point about him um i think he fits in the mold of a lot of those guys like a nick chubb and guys like that he's a tough physical runner he's a one-cut runner which everybody in the nfl wants he there are so many good athletes and there's so much speed in the NFL. You don't have time to dance in a hole. Zach does a great job of getting his shoulder square to the line of scrimmage. He's got great vision.

And when he makes a cut, he makes it decisively and can really get the ball going forward all the time. That's what you don't want the NFL. You don't want to be behind schedule. And he keeps you on schedule as a running back. And I think he's got a bright future. We're really excited about what he brings to our team and what type of weapon he is. there's a lot of people that are really going to like him when he gets to the next level. You know, one of the reasons Matt Ruhl struggled or a Nick Saban or a Spurrier college to pro is they didn't get a great quarterback.

I think if Drew Brees and Nick Saban end up together, Nick doesn't go to Alabama. He stays in the NFL. Is that the league is so quarterback dependent because the margins are so small. In college, I think it's about the coach, is that if you can develop, do you like the growth of players? You control your own personnel. And I also think, Chip, that it comes down to the personality. If you need constant, you know, there's certain things in the NFL that if you just want to watch film all day, it could be good for you. College asks more of you.

Do you think your personality fits one of the other? I don't know if my personality fits a lot of things, but I just try to do, I think your job as a coach is to create an environment where, your players have an opportunity to be successful and then get out of the way and let them do it. And I think it's it's about bringing the right people or getting the right people in your organization that are self-started, motivated, you know, want to take over and want it to be a player-led team. And I think that's what we have here. There's so many different personalities. I don't think you can earmark what works, what doesn't work.

You know, Bill Parcells was fiery and one of the Hall of Fame coaches. and Tony Dungey was kind of the exact opposite, but they both were tremendous in what they did. I really think it really depends on the match and the fit throughout the whole organization for it to work. So you're going to go back to Oregon here in a couple weeks, and does it feel weird? Are you grateful?

How does that land for you? I'm always grateful for my time and opportunity there, but it doesn't. This is our third time going back in five years, so it's not like this is the first time going back. It's such a cool place to play. It's one of the most unique environments in college football. Our players will be excited about it.

Oregon's a really good football team this year, and we're excited about that. But this isn't about me going back anywhere. I think we landed 6 o'clock on Friday night, and we play at noon on Saturday. So, you know, they're not going to be, this is not going to be a sight scene trip. This is, there's a really big game that's going to occur, and that's what we're going there for. Well, you're great for college football. When did you, where did you learn that you were, I remember exactly where I was. I was with my family on vacation.

and I got a call from my boss and he said USC and UCLA are going to the big 10 and I was like yeah I make I like that that's good where were you exactly when you found out I was playing golf in new hampshire with Ryan day when I got the phone call what the Ohio state coach really yeah did you now didn't you guys coach together so how did you know him yeah we're both from New Hampshire, went to the same high school, same college. We was on, I coached Ryan in college, and then he was on my staff in Philadelphia and San Francisco, so we're really close. We live next to each other in the summertime. And I got the phone call. I thought something was wrong because our AD had called and texted

said, give me a call. Our assistant AD had called and texted and said, give me a call. And so I called back, hoping something wasn't wrong or a player did something. And I got the news that in an hour or two, there's going to be a vote of us going to the big. 10 and I said, okay, when does that happen? And they said in two years and I was like, oh, all right, well, give me a call in two years basically because that's a lot of time. So, you know, you knew the news was going to break, but, you know, our focus and attention has always been on this team this year. Guys like Zach and Dorian will not be here when this team transitions to the other league. So our focus and attention is on this team. I think it's great

for our school. But right now, really our attention and focus is the short term. Yeah. Hey, congrats. I think you got to buy week this week. So you're going to get a rare opportunity. Yeah, go maybe play a quick round of golf. You coaches have like, you know, one day a year you get off during the season. So congrats and your success, not a surprise. You've been better every year in your nation. Your offense is number one in the nation. Again, not a shock. Could not be happier for you. And thanks for taking time for us today, coach. I call thanks buddy appreciate it look forward to seeing again all right chip Kelly number one offense in the country 41 a game that's what he does I mean people forget in Philadelphia 10 and 6 10 and 6 with like C quarterbacks but it is interesting the personality wise like I bumped into him about three or four months ago he's going a million miles an hour upstairs he is academic he's almost like a college professor when you talk to him he's he even joked about his own personality he is he is he's even joked about his own personality he is he is going a million miles an hour upstairs he is academic he's almost like a college professor when you talk to him he's he's he even joked about his own personality he is he is he is he the antithesis of a lot of college coach. He is an academic.

You think if you and I played golf with Chip Kelly and Ryan Day, we'd learn something about offense, just a little something, maybe? Can you imagine that? That's quite the duo. What a place to learn. You're sitting next to Ohio State's coach. I'll be joining in. I'm caddy for them, actually. And Chip does live near me, two streets away. That's right. I could probably hit my driver to his house. Don't be afraid to wear a brewing hat once in a while and show support.

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This is the herd line news. Let's start with a team in our backyard here, the Rams. Boy, that offensive line is ghastly, Colin. They're on a third string center. Goodness gracious. Matt Stafford's been sacked 21 times already and tackle Rob Havenstein believes the team needs to change our mindset to improve going forward. I think it comes down to a mindset thing. Physical mistakes are going to happen, but our mindset the last couple games hasn't been right. That's something we're going to address at practice. It's just something that's got to be fixed. So that's going to start with me in the offensive line room and we're going to spread that through everyone.

We just had a good talk and the guys are going to get ready to go. Well, the good news is they don't have to face Michael Parsons this week. He blew them up badly last week. Well, yeah, Derek Brown's really good for the Panthers. Brian Burns as well coming off the edge. Yeah, they've got a good front. It's interesting at the trade deadline. Would they, would the Panthers move people for draft picks?

Are they going to be sellers? I don't think I would. I think the two best players they have are on that defensive front. But I think a lot of this comes to it. When Brian Allen returns, their starting center, who's a top 10 center, I think Ann Van Jefferson. I think they're going to be fine. I do not feel that.

I don't think they're dynamic enough on the perimeter. But a lot of this is just outside of right tackle. It is, they don't return it. They're not playing anybody. I mean, do we think Stafford and McVeigh just got dumb and don't know how to play football? The schedule, though, it's brutal. Schedules, brutal. And they've faced great front sevens as their offensive line outside of right tackle.

They're on a third string center and a third string guard. I did touch on this on the podcast, Colin. When you look around the league last year, the league kind of figured out Pat Mahomes, the two high safeties. He struggled for like a six-game stretch. We're seeing Joe Burrow and the Bengals really struggled to get explosive. Teams are locking down the Rams. They're not giving up the deep ball. Tutu Atwell had like their longest play over the top.

I think if you don't give up the explosive play, the Rams aren't going to beat you because they can't run the football. Right. That's true. I do wonder, Alan Robinson, so here's my thing. They acquire him. what concerns me is that McVey and Stafford, they're not even designing packages for it. So that tells me at practice,

they're seeing something at practice, which to them does not make them believe he's a part of the offense. It's almost as if the coach and the quarterback are telling the GM, that's your mistake. We're not going to buy in on that because the offense now is Tyler Higbee, Cam Acres, Cooper Cup, and nobody else. Scoronic. Yes, Scoronic.

I mean, they don't even create packages for Alan Robinson. Yeah. So what is, that's telling you, McVeigh's telling you, he can't separate. And let's be real, nobody had Alan Robinson playing this badly. Like, I drafted him in both my fantasy leagues. I thought he was a good player in Chicago and Jacksonville. The only narrative was he's finally got a good quarterback, right? He's going to dominate.

He's not doing anything. I thought it was a great pickup. Yeah. I totally whiffed. All right. Next up, what do we got here? The Eagles, yes, the last undefeated team in the league at 5-0. They have a huge game against the Cowboys on Sunday night. Nick Siriani is keeping the message

to his team the same as it's been all season. We got to go 1-0 this week. And to go 1-0 this week, we got to go 1-0 in the day we're at. And to go 1-0 in the day we're at, we got to go 1-0. We've got to be ready with our walk-through and their meet, right, whatever we are in that particular time. That's exactly what we preach as coaches and our players preach in the sense of, hey, like, is 5 and 0 feel good? Yeah, you want 6 and 0 to happen. Then you better do everything you need to do in that week to ramp up for it. Yeah.

Boy, if he walked into the studio, would you have any clue that he was the head coach of the last undefeated team in the NFL? I just saw that video. I'm like, who is this guy? In the history of Colin Wright, Colin wrong. This is the most wrong. Yeah. I thought he would be a disaster. The press conference.

He was terrified. He's not great speaking publicly. But the players like him, the GM got him good tools, and they are, they are, they lead, it's really remarkable. They lead the NFL in big plays. More than Kansas City, more than Buffalo, more than Cincinnati. Philadelphia leads the NFL with 44 what they call big plays over 20-year play. Well, you know what's been helpful is the best offensive line in the league.

Now, Colin, if you look at the injury report, they've got three guys banged up this week, including their left tackle, who was. supposed to go against Michael Parsons. They play Dallas. They do. So I like the Eagles here, but I got to watch that injury report because if the offensive line isn't healthy, Jaylen Hertz, this is a tall order.

They've had a very easy schedule. They haven't trailed in the second half this year. This is fair. All right, let's get to the final story, Colin, MLV postseason. Listen, the Phillies are without one of their relievers for the NLDS following a bizarre injury. David Robertson, Colin, strained his calf muscle while celebrating this Bryce Harper home run last Saturday.

Look at the video. I mean, it's crazy. Bryce Harper hits a home run. Everybody goes bonkers, and this guy's got a calf injury, and he's not going to play. Isn't that brutal? Well, right now, the Phillies are playing the Braves. Phillies are up 4-1 early. It is a good start.

But, Colin, that is a crazy injury. Like, what level athlete do you have to be to be injured celebrating? Now, we've seen a couple of these in the NFL. Have you ever pulled a calf muscle? I have. I'm in tip-top shape, so no, I have never put the cap muscle. So I pulled mine playing tennis a year. I fell apart like a year and a half ago.

I was pulling everything. I just fell apart. Ribs, cartilage. Well, that on COVID, right? I think it was. Inactivity, staying home. And then when I did work out, I fell apart. When you pull a calf muscle, it pops.

It's amazing. I was just playing tennis walking around. Pop. I am going to defend what you're calling an unathletic pitcher. The guy's probably half your age, Colin. Come on. Seriously. All right.

Other quick postseason notes, Astros Reliever, Phil Maiton broke his hand after punching a locker after his last outing. He's out for the playoffs. Craig Kimball was left off the Dodgers NLDS roster, and he lost his job as a closer in September. Obviously, Dodgers Padres tonight on FS1. Who you got in that one? Dodgers have dominated the Padres,

so I would take them. But I think, you know, when you're an overwhelming favorite in the series, you can get a little tight. Get a little tight. Walker Bueller was pitching in this series. And this year, I love the Dodgers in it, but I think they're more vulnerable without him. My kids went out, got Dodgers shirts excited for going to a postseason game. I said, guys, do you want to try to go to a Padres?

Or you want to wait next series? They're like, oh, we'll just wait, we'll wait. I'm like. Padres have a lot of talent. They can't beat the Dodgers. This is not a layup. No, they got players. J-MAC with the news.

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mike Pereira is the former NFL head of officiating, VP of officiating, and now he's NFL and college football rules expert for us at Fox. And boy, is it, cats and dogs living together right now. So let's start with this. One of the things I always liked about the NFL, Mike, is that they are willing to change protocols swiftly.

If they feel there's a problem, they're not rigid, they're not baseball, they're not going to be, they'll make moves on stuff. Now, that can also be very hard for people in your business, the officiating business. So I understand that the Tua concussions freak people out and scared them. And I get that. And I also get changing. protocols. It is my opinion they have overreached now on protecting quarterbacks and there is an inherent risk of getting banged around at quarterback. Joe Burrough said it five days ago to me.

It's like, hey, you get hit. Do you believe, let's start with that premise that they've over-corrected on protecting quarterbacks? Yes. Now, is it just generally or is it a reaction to what happened in the Tua situation? I'm not sure which one it is. But if you look at just what happened in the past two days, you have to say, wait a minute, there is an overcorrection here. And I, you know, and I don't think it's acceptable. I mean, I think that there's got to be a better line that we don't get into these situations again where we end up with a great Monday night football game that the chatter is all about erupping the passer call. And so, you know, to me, it's just a subconscious overreaction because I,

I really do not think that the league said to the referees, we want to call more. I don't think the league really felt that the tackle on Tua was a foul on his second concussion. But, you know, the obvious uproar about this concern over concussions, I mean, talk about Teddy Bridgewater. He's out, right? Out for a game or whatever it is after one play. So it's like, to me, an overreaction that needs to be addressed somehow. They're immediately, because of Brady's history and success, people said he's being protected when Jared grabbed him. Let's talk about that play and slamming down quarterbacks.

How do you fall on that? What's the right call? What's not? Well, I don't think it's a foul, period, because it's just making a tackle. He's actually grabbing by the jersey, and he has taken him down. I mean, you always hear the discussion what more is a defender supposed to do if, in fact, this is a foul. And so to me, it's a normal process. This is not a second act, what they call a second act.

It's not a passer who is on his feet and then is wrapped up and then take him to the ground as part of a second act. This is a normal tackle. Is it a hard tackle? Yes. Was two is a hard tackle? Yes. But it's inherent when you're trying to make a tackle, especially with a quarterback who is trying the best he can to avoid that tackle. So it's just not a foul.

Now look at Chris Jones. Let me ask you, why isn't this stuff reviewable? Couldn't they change that in the middle of a season, or do you have to wait to an off season to make this stuff reviewable? Well, they would have to wait in the off season because it would actually be a rule change. Points of emphasis gets changed during the season, but it's very unlikely that a rule would ever get changed. Might they do it?

you know, I would think not. You know, this is a hot button issue right now. I don't know if it's going to be a hot button issue toward the end of February when the competition committee first meets. But let's, I mean, it's been done. It's pass roughing the passer bowels were reviewable in the USFL last year. And as a matter of fact, a big play where there was an interception in the semi-finals when the New Jersey generals had the ball, it was intercepted pass,

roughing the passer was called, but it was kind of similar with what we saw last night. It wasn't a total body weight slam to the ground. The defender braced himself with his arms, and then last night you even had the ball being loose. And so it was called, took away an 80-yard interception return, but we reversed it by just looking and seeing it wasn't a foul. So it can be done. I'm sure it will be discussed. But it's kind of like this notion, Colin of Sky Judge.

It's really gotten nowhere. Everything still falls in the hand of the replay official. But it doesn't go beyond the reviewable categories. It doesn't go to personal fouls. It doesn't go to unsportsmanlike conduct. Could they? Certainly. Will they?

I really doubt it. Is it harder to officiate today? The league is more offensive. It's more spread out. The athletes are faster. Is the league do you believe harder to officiate today? And there's more cameras, so your mistakes are viewed by everybody. Well, I can only compare it to what it was like when I was officiating in the league in the mid-90s.

It was not easy then. It's never been easy. But you didn't have all of this emphasis on player safety. You didn't have hits on defenseless players. All you did when it came to pass receivers, you were focusing on pass interference. either offense or defense. Now you still have to focus on that, but you have to also focus on hits on defenseless players.

You're looking at a different area. You used to officiate at the waist level when you look solely for pass interference. Now you're looking at the head and neck area along with at the waist level. Look at the game never gets easier to officiate because in fact, the players get bigger and faster. So that alone makes it more difficult.

I'm not one that buys into the rules making it. so difficult because 98.5% of everything that happens in a game is simple. Now, that 1.5% when something comes up that is so complicated, make it be a penalty enforcement or whatever it might be, if it's that complicated, you can do whatever you want. Nobody's going to know if you're right or wrong. But the game itself, to me, just because of the speed, the athleticism, the strength, all of that has just made it not impossible to officiate, but it's made it impossible to expect perfection, which is just not attainable when it comes to officiating.

You know, you said something earlier, and I want to pivot back to that. You said you don't believe the league is told the officials to protect the quarterbacks, but it's a subconscious thing. I think fans immediately go to stars, ratings, you know, that's what fans do. get it. But it is interesting. I figured the league had had like an email or a video conference. You didn't have that in the NFL? You don't think that's the case. I don't think that's the case. Look, they put out a tape every week to the officials. And it cites different trends, different calls that are made. I mean, they did have a play

involving roughing the passer. But it was a standing up quarterback who was grabbed and then slung to the ground, completely different than what we saw. So they didn't put any that's a, anything on this as part of a tackle. If a guy gets slung down, didn't even have a body weight play, there was no body weight type play. But, but, you know, Colin, I mean, look at officials love the game. They read the newspapers. They're aware of the current events, and they didn't like what they saw with Tua's injury. I mean, so is it somewhat subconscious? I mean, they asked Jerome Boger, you know, after his, the Tom Brady play.

Was he influenced by the hit on two, his injuries? And his answer was, no, not necessarily. Well, if you say not necessarily, that clearly means he was aware of it. And maybe that does back to the end. Sure. You know, this game right now, I mean, you know, should we have to live with bad calls, if you want to call them that, I don't call them bad, I call them incorrect. Should we have to live with those because of we're trying to keep quarterbacks

and skill players, period, into the game, you know, the answer to me is no. I mean, in the rule book, we used to say err on the side of safety. So that was like saying, okay, it's okay to make mistakes if you are doing it in player safety, but that was taken out. It was either get the play right or not, period. And so I just think we can't live with these and could we figure out a way, whether it be a reviewable situation like some of the spring leagues have had, can we do that to correct some of these big major penalties of which these are?

Mike Pereira, undisclosed location near the surf is all I will say. My friend, it is good to see you again. Always good to see you, Colin. All right. So, yeah, I mean, that's interesting. That's a little bit of a revelation to me is that the league's not telling them to do this, but they read the papers. They want to protect the quarterback.

I just thought the Chris Jones play was so spectacular. I mean, for a defensive lineman to grab the ball, sack you in one fell swoop, is a top five defensive play of a year. It's an incredible play, and you just took it from him. And you're right. You do need to protect the quarterback. Because guess who they put in prime time all the time, the best quarterbacks? Because that's who everybody wants to see.

And 25 million people tune in for night football games. By the way, the other story, it was after the game. You know, it happens. The media's out, you know, you get so much outrage. Devante Adams apologized for running over a camera person. But one of the reasons I try not to, you know, I try to take a deep breath on stories, the initial video of Devante Adams, who has a reputation is a great guy. Like Aaron Rogers loved him.

He was loved in Green Bay. The initial video looks like, oh, he's pushing this guy down. But then when you get the video behind him, Devante's got his head down, the walking where he's supposed to walk, and a guy walks right in front of him. and it looks different. And you're like, well, yeah, he didn't know who it is. Jalen Hertz had the stands collapse on him. You don't know who's on the field.

So now, would I have helped him up? Yes. Do I think he'll probably get fined? Yes. I think Devonte is better than that. But the new video does show you he just walks into a guy. And he doesn't know who he is. And he's got something in his hand.

I don't know. I think that video offers a different look at what happened. Doesn't make it right. But you got people last night screaming, assault, battery, suspended. It's like, boy, can we take a deep breath and get a couple different angles on this thing? By the way, how much bigger does Devante Adams

look than a normal human being? That guy looks so tiny compared to. Devante Adams looked massive right there. That guy's just a tiny dude. Got knocked down and now he's, you know, filed a police report and all this nonsense. Like, oh, boy. You said he went to the...

He went to the hospital. He took a trip to the hospital after the game. Oh, boy. I hope cameras didn't catch my eye roll there. Well, I mean, I think in our lifetimes, that's people have gotten more litigious. A little bit. They haven't always gotten more injured. They've just gotten more litigious. So I'm a little cynical on that.

Devante Adams did apologize and he should have helped him up once he realized who he was. But I mean, a week ago, we had somebody coming on the field with like a smoke bomb and Bobby Wagner knocked him down and that guy wanted to file a lawsuit. It's like, you're in. Well, at my work, you're not a public figure. You don't know what that guy has in his hands. You don't know what these people are doing. There's crazy people out there everywhere. A lot of crazy people.

A lot. Not on this show, but other shows. Normal people are on the show. This show is stable every day. All right. First things first is around the corner. Mike Pereira stopped by today. Mitchell Schwartz was on the show today.

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