The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Russell Wilson, NFL

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Hurd. You're listening to Foxxport's. Sports Radio. Well, Michael Robinson played in the NFL. He was a fourth round picked by the Niners out of Penn State. Very versatile player. Kind of Tase M Hill before Taysam Hill.

He made a Pro Bowl fullback now in Network NFL analyst. He was on earlier this week talking about the Denver mess, and it is absolutely a mess, is that, you know, Russell Wilson's being positive, let's ride, and it's wearing, like, more than a few players have been like this is inauthentic. Here was Michael NFL Network earlier this week. how can you stand up there

and you know the offense looks like this you know all these questions around here about you and about this offense and you just say oh we just need to execute better let's ride we need to execute better let's ride if you're a teammate and if you're in that locker room you're like dude be human please call somebody out

be upset about something don't just act like this is just business as usual So Michael Robinson now joining us live. Doesn't have the suit on, but he's still bringing the smile. Oh, right. So here, let me defend pushback on this. Russell Wilson has always been, he's a little Kirk Cousins, very eternally optimistic.

There's a T-Boh quotient. Now, I thought Tebow was a little cheesy for my taste, but I have defended, I have defended Russell saying, listen, this is who he is. He's a little cringy on the internet. But you know him way better than I do. Do you think, and you're not the first to suggest this, that it's a little inauthentic? Well, I can't sit here and say that it's a little inauthent because Russell has been a positive person since the moment I met him when he first walked into the locker room with the Seattle Seahawks. But my whole thing and the whole purpose I was trying to, the whole point I was trying to make on total access with that quote was, you can't be so positive that you're ignorant to reality.

And that's basically what I was talking about. And yes, being a former teammate of Russell's, I've seen him play great football. And a part of me thinks that this marriage between him and Nathaniel Hackett just isn't right, right? Nathaniel Hackett was brought in to be an offensive guru. Russell was brought in to make this offense more explosive and more exciting. And again, if I'm a guy in that locker room, I'm looking at the entire situation. And I'm like, well, what's different than when Drew Locke was here? There is no different.

Russell got his money. Nathaniel Hackett got his money, but we're still losing. They're not getting the results. And so what I was trying to say was I just wanted to see a little bit more fire from my old quarterback, from my old playmaker and Russell Wilson, because I know he has the skill set and I know he has the want to to be great. You know, what's really interesting, Michael, and you've been around the league, you know, the Niners Seahawks. So when Brady went to Tampa, he had an experienced coach. pretty darn good offensive line and a number one receiver.

When Stafford went to the Rams, he got McVeigh, a good old line, and Cooper Cup. So when I defended Russell, I said he's got a coach that's unproven, a terrible old line now that Bowles is out, and a bunch of kids at wide receiver. And my suggestion, what I heard about a year ago, that they were concerned in Denver about the maturity level of some of their young receivers. When you watch this workout, is it fair for me to suggest that part of this is he doesn't like have a veteran, he doesn't have a Mike Evans, he doesn't have a Cooper Cup.

He's got kid receiver, no offense now gone. Is it possible that, you know, in Seattle, he always had a mature, Doug Baldwin, Lockett, you know, he always had like mature guy. Is that potentially part of the issue? Yeah, I think it is potentially part of the issue, but when you're paid a half a billion dollars, when that's what you're paid to, that's what you're making. And when everybody looked at this roster in the preseason and said, wow, maybe they're just a quarterback away.

He was brought here to get this team over the hump. And I think people still have visions when Peyton Manning came to Denver. And I've said this before. There was a difference between Russell and Peyton Manning. When Peyton Manning came to Denver, he was looking for an offense in a situation that had the playmakers, had the front office. And he was sitting the offensive coordinator down and saying, this is what we're. we're running. That's not like that with Russell. Russell had to find an offense that he can step into to accentuate the things that he does well. I just think Nathaniel Hackett will serve himself

well by just giving Russell all the tools at the line of scrimmage so that he can run the show himself and just let the veteran leadership, let the veteran experience of Russell Wilson kick in and let Russell go cook. So there's a couple of things. One of the guys that should be up for coach of the year is Pete Carroll. First of all, they had a great draft. Kenneth Walker is a stud out of Michigan State. Both their tackles, they don't have the draft a tackle for seven years. Cross and Abraham are men.

Like, those are dudes. So they really hit a draft. Plus, they got an edge kid they like. So, but it's the Gino Smith transformation. And I wonder this, Michael. You're a smart guy. You can tell on television. You go to Penn State.

were ready matured wise maturity wise you walked into the NFL you could do multiple things a lot of guys walk into this league at 21 they are not ready for the money of the fame and i watched gino and i'm like he was getting into fights with teammates i'm watching him now i'm like that like that's a real quarterback are you shocked by it um if you would have asked me this six months ago yes i would have been shocked by it. But I had an opportunity this offseason calling to call some of the preseason games for the Seattle Seahawks. So obviously being a former player,

being a former, you know, a Seahawk alum, I had access to Gino and being able to sit down with him, talk to him, seeing the growth mentally, seeing the maturity, seeing the fact that the number one thing on his mind was the entire team taking a step.

He was willing to sit back and support Drew Locke. He's not stupid. He understood the fact that He was there last year. He understood the fact that he knows the offense, but this team went out and actively sought after Drew Locke. So he understood the situation that he was in. He understood that if he took care of the ball in the preseason and if he took care of the ball during the season, this job could be his based off of the fact that Pete Carroll is a defensive coach.

It's one thing Pete told me this offseason that I think continues to resonate. And I'm like, Pete, dude, you got a franchise quarterback that just left out of the door, man. how do you plan on rebuilding this team? He shut me up, right? They said, Mike, don't you dare say it. This is not a rebuild. As long as we don't turn the football over, we have the athletes, we have the dogs, we have the, we have the crowd, we have the coaches, and now we have the motivation.

And Gino's ball, and he's actually playing better than their old quarterback Russell Wilson right now. Saints Cardinals tonight, you'll be on the NFL game day kickoff at 6 Eastern. I've said this earlier. I think the Raiders in Arizona are two. talented to not turn it around. It's an offensive league. There's way too many ballers. And I look at Arizona. And I think, I've said this before, I didn't love Kyler Murray's offseason, but I'm a total hypocrite because I don't love a lot of what Aaron Rogers says,

but I would give him 50 million. So I don't have to love everybody's personality. Baker Mayfield wore me out. Aaron wears me out. Kyler can wear me out. You can play or you can't. but I will say, I don't know what's going on. They're terrible in the red zone. Kingsbury couldn't win in college with Mahomes. If I said to you, Michael, what is wrong? As a former offensive player, tell me what do you see with Arizona? There's way too much talent to not be able to score.

Colin, it's tough for me to say this because I was just telling the producers here at NFL Network, and I played in a bowl game in Florida. And the night before, Cliff Kingsbury played in the bowl game before me. And it's crazy that he's a head coach. I'm on television talking about him. It's crazy. But it's the scheme, Colin. It's the scheme, man.

It seems to me, offensively, the Arizona Cardinals always try to trick you. They always try to, oh, look over here, look over here, but we're going to throw it over here. Oh, like, sometimes, this is a physical sport. you don't have to be the smartest man in the room. Sometimes this game is just about numbers and angles. I got more guys than you over here, so I'm going to run the football over here. I got angles on you over here, so I'm going to throw the football over here. And when I look at this office, it just doesn't always seem sound. It doesn't. Like, I can't, when I'm looking at the office, I'm not always sure what Cliff Kingsbury is trying to get accomplished. When I watch

Sean McBay, when I watch Kyle Shanahan, when I watch some of these other offensive play callers, I'm like, oh, okay, they're running that play because they're going to set up a play action later. Oh, okay. They're not blocking Michael Parsons because they want to take away some of his aggressiveness. They want him to think a little bit, oh, I can see what the author of the coordinators trying to do. When I watched Arizona Cardinals, hell, I don't know what they're trying to do, but make Kyle or Murray look like a superstar athlete running around and trying to play. That's not sustainable in the national football.

By the way, an hour and a half ago, Greg Kosell, who's watched film for 43 years, literally said the exact same thing. He goes, I've been watching this for 43 years. I have no idea what they're trying to do. So he's Michael Robinson. He was a Big Ten offensive player of the year. Quarterback, wide receiver, running back, great broadcaster. Lucky to have him again. Just love having you on. You're super smart guy. You have a different take on stuff. And thank you so much for stopping by. Thank you, Colin. Always, man. Always watching your show, man. Keep rocking. All right. Michael Robinson, who really has a Tassum Hill quality. Literally did everything.

He was just productive at the college level. Quarterback, wide receiver running back. Niners picked him up. Seahawks picked him up. Yeah, Pete Carroll's having a little renaissance here. Little renaissance. Dial it back on the Seahawks. A little lucky early.

But that's fine. I get it. You're from the Northwest. I mean, I'm pumping my chest here as a Jets guy, four and two. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. And oh, by the way, why don't we start with the Jets? But it's not great news, Colin. This is just going down in the last hour. So Jets receiver Elijah Moore, remember he tweeted after the loss?

Like basically what's going on? Why am I not getting the ball? He has one catch in the last two games. Not good. So something weird with. went down today. The media asked Salah about more. He's like, oh, I had a heart to heart. LaFleur's like talk to him.

And they said, he's taking a personal day today. So Elijah Moore not at practice. A couple days before the big game against Denver. He is very talented. Immensely talented. I'm a kid. I had somebody tell me a scenario where Lane Kiffin

leaves for the NFL goes to Carolina, the open job there. At his quarterback, Corral, remembers on the roster. and does he make a move for Elijah Moore, who was very good and explosive in that Ole Miss? Six steps away. Yeah, you're a little ahead of that. It's fun to do that.

Listen, you're going through Seattle Seahawks potential future draft picks. Hey, I'll say this, I would get Blaine Kiff in a shot. Absolutely. Yeah, he'll probably, I mean, if he wants an NFL job next year. To his last three jobs, he's crushed. Absolutely. Oh, C at Bama, Ole Miss, and what Florida international or wherever he play, he crushed in all of them. And by the way, in one.

in one year in Tennessee I mean he made strides in one year it wasn't like it was a disaster at Tennessee and this is what's super interesting remember the NFL scoring is way down offenses are kind of bottled up what does Lynn Kiffin do as well as anybody

creative explosive offense keep an eye on him in the NFL all right next up Colin Baltimore Ravens three and three this season haven't been able to close out double digit leads which they had in all three of their losses it's not the start the team

hoping for and Lamar Jackson says everyone is upset about how things have gone so far. We pissed off about losing. Everyone there's no, our fans pissed off, you know, all of us pissed off at the same time, you know, we can't dwell on it. You know, we got to move on here get focused on the Browns and the young guys you know they die out there as well. You know, everybody focusing up. You're just ready to go out there and put on the show, you know, because we're so mad. Real talk. That is a real organization. I love Harbaugh. That is a real owner-GM coach quarterback, totally committed. I watched the Giants Ravens about a quarter and a half last night.

It was on again. I think it was on the NFL network. I watched it. Baltimore was the better team for the entire quarter and a half I played. You've got to give the Giants credit. To win that game and you were outplayed for about 70% of it, it's pretty good. Quick Lamar Jackson theory floated to me by someone who shall remain nameless. the reason they're struggling in the fourth quarter

and Lamar has not had good fourth quarters is because he's doing so damn much the first three quarters. They're running him a lot. He's running for his life, offensive line kind of makeshift, and Lamar's wearing down in the fourth quarter. And he's against the Giants. It did not look good, Colin.

Look at some of these offensive numbers. Like this is a team with some problems. And again, Rashad Bateman is, I know that's going to sound crazy, but he's been a key to their offense. When he's on the field, they can move the ball. They really missed him last week. expected to return this week for their game.

Yeah, I like both. I like Baltimore and Cincinnati. I think they're both, I think they're both really good. Do you like Cleveland? Nope. There's a lot of reasons not to like that franchise. I know you so well, I could just lob softballs in, you'll knock them out of the park. All right, final story. Week 7 kicks off Saints cards tonight. James Winston, Andy Dalton, kind of a quarterback duel here. Dalton's digged up. Both have been limited in practice. New Orleans has been cagey. They have not named a starter for this game. Dennis Allen kind of trying to be a little mysterious here.

Arizona, we know their struggles. DeAndre Hopkins is back tonight. More importantly, he's back in my fantasy football lineup, Colin. Boy, do I need him? According to Fox bet, Cardinals favored by two and a half. I need your bet and score. I think Arizona's going to win 2420. I think Arizona's defense is a little bit better than people think.

It's fast. When you watch Arizona play, dude, they run. They're fast. They're athletic. I like Arizona. I like their roster a lot. I think Steve Kimes built a really good roster. They've lost five straight games on Thursday night football.

All right, whatever. Carson Wentz is one seven straight and you guys don't like him. Well, again, remember last year on Thursday night, they played the Packers. They were undefeated. Devante Adams was out. Everybody's like, oh, Cardinals got this. That was maybe, that was Aaron Rogers' second greatest moment. The first was the Super Bowl.

his second greatest moment was taking a team missing 11 starters to Arizona last year and winning. That was one of, that was really, that was leadership. That was one of the great performances ever by Aaron. I don't even know what his stats were, but I remember that game was over. I was like, that was something. What about the game against the Cowboys where he dialed up a play literally on the field? That was like an outset. Remember that pass?

That was top three. I thought that was one of the most incredible throws I've ever seen in the NFL. Well, he can do that. We know he can do it. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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Got a Super Bowl championship on that Packers team that beat the Steelers. Eight years with Green Bay made the playoffs seven times. All right. So I have been, I think I've been fair, but many view me as anti-Aaron Rogers. So I defended him again this week. And I said, okay, I don't sit and watch game film, but I can watch Brian Dable and I see the coaching. I watch Bella checks defense and I see the coaching.

And I said, I'm three years in with Matt Lafleur. The special teams are still a wreck. The defense got six first rounders underachieving. They do not give the ball to Aaron Jones enough. I've said, I got to see, I'm not, I'm not a. savant on this stuff. But I see what Brian Dable's doing. I see the plays. I'll be honest with you.

I think we have anointed Matt Lefleur to a level. He is not earned. Do you, I mean, do you agree with that? That we've given him this VIP club pass and he hadn't paid dues. I do and I don't, because it's hard to win. You know what I'm saying? I don't care who you got. It's

hard to win, right? And I think that's what we're kind of seeing right now, how hard it is to win. You just lost to the Giants and the Jets. And I understand Devante, ain't there. That's old news, right? But it is hard to win in this league with no matter what players you got. I mean, he was 7 and 0 without Devontay Adams, you know, up to this point. So I think, number one, I think when he first hit Green Bay, he was coaching his tail off. These first two years, I mean, he's broken numerous records in Green Bay, coaching records and all that

because he's been coaching his tail off, right? Now we're starting to see that it is hard to win, right? And it doesn't necessarily mean he ain't coaching his tail off, but everybody's saying what we're saying, right? Aaron Jones needs to touch the ball more. The special teams are now a match. And up to, I do give the special teams a little credit because up until last week, they have been really good. You know what I'm saying? They have been really good. And last week, obviously they fell apart block pump for a touchdown, right? What you can't have, especially at home, especially when the offense is struggling, right? But credit to them, they have been better in special teams. But to me, this ain't on one person. This is not on one person.

The Packers, they got to look in the mirror, and it's on everybody, and it starts with 12. It starts with the quarterback looking in the mirror saying, okay, I got to get it right. I got to play better. Like you said, you got seven first rounders on the defense, and people continue to keep running the ball down our throat. Right? So at one point, we got to look in the mirror and this stuff has to get stopped. Robert Sala, after the game literally said, we knew they would cave. I mean, literally, he was calling out the culture of Green Bay.

Oh, that's, that's, that's, it wouldn't even perceive. He was saying it's like a UFC fight. Keep hitting them. They have a glass chin. And it's one thing, man, and the reason why that kind of struck core with me, because we had some teams that kind of was labeled like that, soft. You know what I mean? And that's just being honest.

We have some teams in Green Bay. Whatever our record was, everybody said if we get up in there, we make it nasty, we make it a little grimy, this team will fold. They soft, right? That's the most disrespectful thing you can say. to a professional athlete, man, and you got guys in that locker room is like, try me if I'm soft.

You know what I mean? But when you turn on the tape and you see what's happening, the trends that's happening, and we all know this is a copycat league, right? We've been struggling, stopping the run, right? This last game, you've seen that they got after Aaron Rogers, rushing four people.

Quinn Williams had an all-pro type game, just wrecking the game, right? Aaron couldn't really get nothing going. So, you know, those are things that we have to get fixed, and it's with everybody. It starts with Coach LaFleaflo. It starts with 12, and that defense need to buckle down, they need to stop the run. And if that doesn't change, we're going to be sitting here talking, and it's going to be a waste of

a year for the Green Bay Packer. It's interesting. You were a third round pick from San Jose State. Pack 12 schools didn't offer. That's the NFL. So Bailey Zappy Mack Jones, I said there is no quarterback controversy. This is the NFL. The lower drafted kid is quite possibly better than the higher drafted kid.

A little bit hungrier, huh? Well, how many receivers went before you that year? 10, 12, 13, and you were better than all, but maybe one of them. Yeah. So everybody said quarterback controversy. I'm like, Russell third round, Montana third round. Like, I watch Bailey Zappy. You tell me.

Accurate, ball gets out fast, he's got better feet. Yeah. I like Bailey Zappy. I'm not ready to say that this is his team or he's a starter over mac and cheese over Mac Jones. And the reason why I say that is because Mac Jones has shown us that he can win in this league and play at a high level in this league. Now, I do blame the coaches a little bit on this one because you see how your rookie quarterback Mack Jones handled last year. Pro bowler, I don't care

if he was a seventh alternate, whatever, he got pro bowl tag to him, played some good football. But you can tell last year it was really simple. It was really simple. Get the ball out your hands. Here's the certain reads and all that. Now as you come into this season, it's let's add a little more. Let's add a little bit more. I think you're putting too much on his plate. And now he's thinking too much and he's trying to get you into these right plays and do this and adjust and change routes and all that out there. He wasn't doing all that last year. It was real simple for him.

He gets hurt. Bailey Zappy comes in, hey, coach? And they get simple again. Exactly, right? You ain't got to think too much. It's here or there. Take off running. Hand it off.

Let's run the ball. We've got a really good run game, right? We're not going to make it hard on you. It's going to be really simple. And you see the quarterback making quick decisions and having success. So I think, number one, this is Mack Jones's team. And when he does come back, he should. start and you need to keep a simple.

You know, I've been critical of Aaron before, but he is authentic. He's outspoken. He can be a little snarky, but that's his personality. You should be your personality. Many are suggesting Russell Wilson's going to lose the locker room. And my takeaway is, yeah, he's corny on the internet. But he's always been a little Tim Tebow-y, right? He's always been a little Kirk Cousins.

Yeah. He's not an outspoken. He's Mr. Optimism. Yeah. But do you think, because of his contract and how bad it is and this sort of eternal sunshine. What are guys saying in Denver

truthfully? Well, number one, it starts with the way you play. You know what I mean? And right now, Russell Wilson's not playing at a high level. I mean, people are bringing up plays and showing plays of looking, them missing these guys and missing those guys. So, you know, number one, that's kind of a way you lose the locker

room. Like, man, we paid him all this money. We're saying we're a quarterback away and he ain't really better than the guys we had. At least that's kind of the talk that goes around the locker room. I'm not saying that he's not better than the guys they had, right? We would think so. But, yes, if you look at the stats and the results and all that, it's the same. So that can start being a little conversation in the locker room.

Like, man, he ain't as good as we thought he was. That could start creeping in, right? You know, so at the end of the day, you've got to start winning. And number two, you're right. That's not Russ personality. He's not a rah-rah guy. He's not going to get in your face. He's not going to get up in the media and say, we got to do this better.

Cortland Sutton got to run this route. But he's not going to do that. he's never been that guy, right? He's always been that guy to let me stand in the locker room and be the first one there and slap hands, touching people in and showing some leadership like that, you know? So I'm not, I don't really care about that. Like, I don't need Russ to be like,

hey, I don't need you to be a right, right guy because then that's going to come off fake too. That's not you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But at the end of the day, when we turn the tape on, you got to play better or you will lose that locker room. I want to talk about Arizona plays tonight. So Michael Robinson was just on.

He's like, Imrod, my dog. He's great. And he was like, I don't know what they're trying to do. Greg CoSell came on today. He's like, I watched the tape. I don't know what they're trying to do. I get a vibe from you is you don't know what they're trying to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can tell we was all on a three-way text because I don't know what they're trying to do neither. I really don't. So why do they bring in the kid up the sideline from Carolina? Yeah, I'm, they bring in Robbie Anderson. And I'm really confused because you have a guy in Rondell Moore who does exactly what Robbie Anderson does, right? So you can't really find ways to utilize the talent that you have

there right now. You know, you had Hollywood Brown. Obviously, he got hurt. He's going to be out a couple weeks. You're going to get D-Hop back, right? And then you have Rondale Moore, who's a guy that does exactly what Robbie Anderson does, right? Straight line speed, you could give him some reverses. He can make some of that. You can get him some quick screens and all that, and he can make that happen. The Cardinals don't know what they're doing, right? They're not well coached. They do not know what they're doing. The best they looked was against the Raiders in the second half when everything was no huddle. And the ball was in Kyler Murray's hands. And Kyler Murray was getting them into the right play. That's the best they have looked all season. Moving the ball,

Kyler making plays with his legs, speeding things up. They were running the ball well. That's when they looked the best. So for me, I'll never forget. Coach Mike McCarthy came into a team meeting when Aaron had it cooking, about to win his first MVP, and he said, the ball is yours. The ball is in your hands. We are in no huddle. You get us in the right play, and we're going to go from there,

whether it's run or pass. That's exactly what Cliff needs to do with Kyle and Murray. The ball is in your hands. Get us in the right play. Let's speed this thing up a little bit. You're one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in the game, running and passing. Let's get this game sped up.

Let's get the ball out of your hands. Let's try to run it. Let's not let them keep subbing off and let's go. By the way, that's a great point. When you do that speed up offense, It doesn't let them make adjustments defensively. And Kyler running around, who wears down? Defensive linemen.

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