The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Scouting

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Scouting NFL prospects at the CombineThe needs of NFL teamsGuest: Charles Davis Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Why would you need a combine? And a lot of it is deal-making by executives A lot of it is interviewing quarterbacks or potential star players. But it is, you know, some of the players now are pushing back. And, you know, football has made a lot of changes in my lifetime. The draft used to be a couple of days. Now they spread it out over four days on television, and the free agency period changed to March.

And the combine something interesting, what's its value? I absolutely think some players have elevated their value. If you're a smart kid and you're thoughtful, you know, you should want to be interviewed. And I also think there are guys. that sometimes play in bad programs, and then they take their shirt off and they come, and you look, and you're like, oh, that's that guy, the tape doesn't do him justice.

We've all done that before. Like, you, you know, I don't do this, but you guys have done like a Tinder or whatever it is and all these sites, Match.com, and you see somebody on a picture, and then you go on a date and it's totally different. Or it doesn't represent them well, and you think, well, I saw it take 10 pictures,

and you meet them and you're like, they're not as cool as I thought, or they're way more fun to hang out with than their profile. I have a friend who has a rule on that. What's the rule? If one picture's a no, they're all a no. That is hard.

It's pretty smart. That's like saying if you have one bad playing college football, I can't draft you. Yeah, I don't think it applies directly to football. So if one picture's bad. One picture's a no, they're all a no. Because what you're saying is you only put your best stuff up there. First of all, yes. You're putting only your best stuff up there.

I don't think I have seven good pictures. I had one back in the 80s. The sun was hitting right at 4.30. I look really like a model. Outside of that, you see my nose. You're at the golden hour. Yeah. I couldn't find him. It's funny all the time my phone now does this weird thing where it creates these profiles, right? I don't do it. Oh, yeah, yeah. That organizes the pictures. Oh, with beautiful music. And I'm always the ugliest guy in all the pictures. My kids are beautiful. My friends are handsome. I'm like, who's the schmuck? Oh, it's me. Some people are photogenic. Colin, you do three hours of, live television every day. Nobody's watching for this mug. You're more progenic than you think. That's not why they're what. But it is, the combine is, you know, it's what's the value of it?

I just think some people are better in person. Some people are better on a resume and some people are better on person. Some people interview better, yes. That's right. Charles Davis, who is one of the nicest guys in our business, NFL Network, CBS Sports. We were talking about that, Charles. is that some people, their resume is great.

And then some people, but they're not good interviews. And then some people, their resume is okay. And I've hired somebody before you walk in in the interview and you're like, Matt, that person is twitchy and nimble and smart and funny. And so what is the value of the combine? Because some players are pushing back, Charles. I don't need to go. To you, what's the value?

The value to me, Colin, is that it can confirm things. that you've done on tape and studied these kids, or it opens up for more questions. And I think that plays right into what you're talking about with the resumes and how people present themselves. Because the Combine, that kid may have been, let's call him a C student throughout his career. And he comes to the Combine, and I'll use the name. You remember the name Bruce Campbell out of Maryland a bunch of years going off and to tackle? Yes, yes, yes.

A very, very average college career destroyed the Combine. by. And we all laughed because Mr. Al Davis was still with us then, and we all said, well, he's a raider because they loved that. And you know who picked him in the fourth round? The Raiders. But he never turned out to be a good player. So again, how much of it is what you took from your tape evaluation, from your scouts doing their work for three years, four years, as opposed to one day blowing it out. So that's why I say you can confirm it. If the guy if Aiden Hutchinson blows this thing away from Michigan, that just confirms what we've seen, right? But if all of a sudden some guy that you don't know runs, jumps, sprints, and you go,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But he's only gained 175 yards in his career. That leaves a heck of a lot more questions. You know, Charles I've always believed I would take an SEC player over every other conference because the intensity, the coaching's harder, the pressure's greater. Like for a quarterback, if you're in the SEC or a tight end, you can't even hear yourself think, and you're playing against more NFL bodies. So if I was down to nothing against Oregon, but an Oregon guy and a Georgia guy, and it's a coin flip, I would probably take the Georgia guy. Is that sound crazy?

I think it matters to me. Well, I went to an SEC school, Colin, so it sounds perfectly right down the line to me. You know, you're talking to an SEC guy, but the point is there are people who have those types of, you know, biases, prejudices, convictions about certain places. I know of a Super Bowl winning coach that if you brought a prospect in from a certain school who might have been the number one prospect, he did not even want to talk about him. He convinced that school gave him bad players. So, yeah, we run into that all the time.

And when you're saying about the SEC, there is a term out there that is real, and they call it an SEC defensive end because the way they come off the edge, their power, their speed, and there are a lot of times in recruiting. When I used to do college football games across the country, I would run into coaches in the Pac-12, in the Big 12, in the Big Ten. They would say, oh, I've got this kid. You know, the SEC school is really wild. He's an SEC defensive end, and that was the highest praise.

So I have, I want to throw something out to you. I watch Bryce Young be so good, so fast. I watch Caleb Williams be so good, so fast. I watch these NBA players, these kids, these great players like Zion, walk into college and dominate it. I am a little skeptical on Kenny Pickett because it took his fifth year for him to pop, which tells me maybe he's a low-ceiling guy who just, let's face it, he was just older than who he's competing against. Is that a fair, cynical opinion? That worries me. No, it's a normal opinion, but I'm going to play a devil's advocate with you. You ready?

Okay. Joe Burrow, he went from what, 20-something touchdowns to how many his last? last year at LSU and became the number one pick. How about Zach Wilson? His career of BYU was kind of checkered. And in that last year, he was a monster. And he moved up to number two. So when you talk to people who are around Pitt and around the Kenny Pickett deal,

when you talk to them about that, because I went back and looked, the total number of touchdown passes he threw in the first four years versus the last year didn't equal the number he threw this past season. So it makes you naturally skeptical. Yeah. But you've got to weigh it a little bit. And here's the difference.

I just think that Burrow and Wilson would be considered better athletes and guys that caught your eye a little bit more. Pickett still has more to prove that way. But I don't deny the production of what he did this past year. Plus, they won an ACC championship so he gets extra points from me. Tennessee's, by the way, undrafted 87, Charles Davis. It's had a great career in one of the really good guys in our business. You know, it's funny. Quarterback is the sport now is a billion-dollar sport.

Every franchise is worth multiple billion. So the quarterback now is the face of the franchise. And it's always been the face of the franchise. But it used to be 15 years ago, Charles. If you said, I have a great defense in a run game, you could be a Super Bowl team. You can say, oh, it's a Super Bowl team. Increasingly, it feels like if you don't have the guy at quarterback, you can't because they become more valuable.

You're paying them 35, 45, maybe 50 million. And I look at Kyler Murray. And I'm like, okay, he's great. He gets better every year. Super valuable. But man, there's some stuff. I don't like Charles. What do you do if you run a franchise?

You're worried about his leadership, Charles, the public stuff, the immaturity. No players have defended him in the last week as he's come out. What do you make of that? What you make of it, Colin, is. We're going to run into more and more of that as we go along because it's just kind of the, I hate to say way of the world. I sound like my grandparents, right? But the way that these youngsters are coming up, and again, I'm not a get off your lawn guy.

They are more precocious than ever, which leads to us getting better players like Kyler Murray. But there's also that aspect of they don't have to kind of go through some of the stuff that we may have had to go through or what was demanded of us and how we do interpersonal, how we react, how we do different things like that. That's what Arizona's got to solve. But remember this, they drafted Josh Rosen number 10, and there were a lot of the same issues and questions in terms of maturity about Josh Rosen coming out.

They didn't like what they saw, didn't like what they had in one season. They go back to get Kyler Murray the very next year, they're going to do everything possible in my sense to make this work. I think the biggest red flag for me was when he scrubbed all of his social media. And I went, didn't Josh Rosen do the exact same thing? Except they traded Josh Rosen. They don't want to trade Kyle or Murray.

There's too much of an investment. There's too much talent there. They just went to the playoffs. They're going to do everything possible trying to lock this for this franchise to keep moving forward. There's a couple of things. I think you can coach players into being better in a lot of things. Here's the thing I've always wondered about. recklessness.

Sam Darnold, Carson, Wins. And my theory on this is you often had a big brother. You were Ruffhausen. You were a tough kid. You know what I mean? Recklessness is a physicality. Sam Darnold was a linebacker.

He was a surfer, get the board, go. He's a tough kid. You can't coach it out of him. Carson Wentz. Farm boy, big kid, physical kid. I don't think you can coach it out of him. Indianapolis may move off Carson Wendt.

boy, I like him. There's a lot there, Charles. In your experience, can you coach out reckless? Can you coach out of those mistakes? Or is it just endemic to what they are? You can coach it out, Colin. But what are you getting as the residue? James Winston, they coached a lot of that out of him last year.

But before he got hurt, but how many games did he get over 200 yards throwing the ball? Right. So what is the residue that comes out of it? And is your team built to handle some of that recklessness? Green Bay with Brett Farb was built to handle that. Okay, you remember how great Brett was, but you know Brett, everyone was open because his arm was so great. Right. And he made it work a lot more times than he did not.

There's times when you went, oh, boy, and you go back to that Minnesota, New Orleans game that would have put them in the Super Bowl. And he went, yep, there it is. But at the same time, would you turn down Brett Farr? No, you work through those sort of things because his magic was so good. If Carson's magic started to reach those heights, this wouldn't even be a discussion at the point. So now I'm eager to see what they do. And the surprise to me was seeing Chris Ballard and seeing Frank Reich say they're still evaluating him when they've just had an entire season with him. To me, they're evaluating the $28 million much more than they're evaluating the quarterback.

They know what they have there. it's what are we going to do moving forward on that. But by the way, remember Matthew Stafford was supposed to be reckless? He got away with that one throw against San Francisco when Jekosu Tart dropped it and never looked back, and next thing you know, he won a Super Bowl. NFL Network tonight, starting at 4 Eastern, quarterback's receivers tied ends. Charles will be part of the coverage of the scouting common. He's fantastic, as you know.

One final question. You know, we all have people we talk to. You probably talk to more than I did. but all my GMs and scouts are saying the same thing. There's not a guaranteed number one pick. I would take Neil the left tackle for Alabama. What do I know? I love the center for Iowa.

You're not going to take a center number one. I think the DN for Michigan. Hutchinson's a really good player. But I don't think we have a Chase Young. I don't think we have a Joe Burrow or something like that or a Kyler kind of player. If I said to you, regardless of the team because they can trade, who's the best college football prospect in Europe? opinion in the country that's available to draft. Kyle Hamilton Safety Notre Dame.

Love him. Absolutely love him. There's everything about him that I like. Has his size, 6-4, so he's got the ranging this as well. Colin, we're going to see that interception against Florida State and a season opener until the draft is over and you're going to see it ad nauseum. And each time you're still going to say, that was Willie Mays in his prime, taking it away from Vic Wirtz in the 51 series. Okay? So you're going to see that. But also, when you turn on the tape, you see a 6-4-20-pound kid who can run, and he doesn't just tackle you by swiping at your ankles and trying to trip you up.

He's chesting you up, all right? And this is a man who brings some punch with him. He's a safety you can drop in the box. He can safety. You can range in the middle, as I said, as a center fielder in cover. And he's exactly what I think you're looking for in today's game where safeties are becoming more and more prominent. How many things can they do where I don't have to sub for them that I don't have to cover for them?

Kyle Hamilton's starting to fit that. Trayvon Merrick was similar to that last year, but his kid's bigger, stronger, and ranger. I just think that he is a phenomenal football player. And yeah, the other guys probably rated ahead of him because of the position, an edge rusher and offensive tackle. But I'm telling you, this kid,

if you're asking me to put it down on someone, it's Kyle Hamilton from Notre Dame. He was at my house a week ago, not the name drop, but it's a long story, but I know Kyle. And I didn't know his weight. And I asked, he was in a t-shirt. And I said, how much do you weigh? And he said, 220.

I was like, Charles, that means he was 30 pounds heavier than me. And he carried the weight. He looked skinnier than I did. I was just like, that dude carries weight well. That's always like. College. Yeah. I saw Evan Neal from Alabama this morning.

I'm not sure what they're listing him at, but somewhere around 3.30. He's carrying it like his 275. There it is. It is a whole different world now. When I was younger, when you were younger, you knew a person was 300 plus pounds, right? You know why? Because they all had Dunlop disease. You know, their stomachs don't lopped over their belt.

Nowadays, they carry it so easily and so well with great agility, force, precision, aggression. Let me tell you something. I was undrafted in 87, probably rightly so. I'm just glad I'm retired now, so I don't have to go out there and deal with these kids. It is the most unbelievable thing you're seeing. Les Bingaman back in the 50s with the lines. The old bingo was a 300-pounder. And he used to say, bingo, move around.

You're killing the grass. Nowadays, these kids are killing. They are just taking out each other. It is fun to watch. Charles Davis, NFL Network, 4 Eastern. What a pleasure. You have more stories and more insight. I love seeing you and continued chopping it up and crushing, man.

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on. Kyle. And great to talk with you again. You take care of yourself. And next time when you vibe with Kyle over, invite me. I want to meet this young lad. He's a great dude. Great kid. Take care. You bet Charles Davis, all full of insight. You're staying around football 20 years. You got a lot of stories. All right. What do you guys want me to do? You want me to take a break? All right. Listen, today I just kept my guest longer. I got Ryan Day of Ohio State, the football coach. You don't get that very often. Then I get Chandler Parsons.

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Well, Lakers are having an interesting season. And the regular season is starting to wind down. One big piece that is missing is Anthony Davis. He was not played since his foot injury on February 16th. But Frank Vogel thinks that if AD can get healthy, the Lakers are in a good place to make a postseason push. He said if Anthony Davis is able to come back and we can catch the right matchup or catch a team at the right time, and if we're able to catch fire at the right time, we're going to have a chance. So Frank Vogel put in a positive spin, silver lining the end of the season. I just read a story a week ago that said Anthony Davis is going to be out longer than they thought, right?

So what's the prognosis here? Well, I mean, it was a pretty serious injury to... Oh, it looks violent. It looks brutal. If you watch the video, oh, it's brutal. Horrendous. I can't imagine that he's going to be back early on that.

And look, I mean, guys are coming back from injuries, from terrible injuries much sooner than we thought, but it's towards the end of the season now. Look, Anthony Davis is not a particularly reliable player physically. Yeah. We think we can safely say that at this point. And to me, he is the key to all of this. There's a lot of conversations about the Lakers who are 9th in the West right now.

So they're around the play-in situation. What if they played the Pelicans? Pelicans beat them and got in. This is interesting. We think the Lakers won that trade. What if the Pelicans beat the Lakers and get into the playoffs? Yeah, it's not going to be. Not great.

It's not going to be great. But the whole evaluation of everything that's gone on with the Lakers comes down to Anthony Davis not being healthy for me. Yeah, that's it. We can talk around circles by Russell Westbro. and Vogel and Polinka and how the team has run and LeBron and the trades. Anthony Davis isn't healthy. If Anthony Davis and LeBron James are healthy, we're having a completely different conversation about the Lakers.

But I don't think they're going to be this year, so it's done. Right. But I mean, that is the trickle effect to all of this. I think a lot of the backlash and reaction that Russell Westbrook has gotten, while he has not been great for chemistry and I don't think we'll be here next year, Russell Westbrook is not supposed to be the number two. It's supposed to be Anthony Davis. And really Anthony Davis was supposed to be the number one taking over for LeBron.

If you're asking me right now on that team, the three is Malik Monk. The four is Carmelo. Yeah. Like Carmelos, I don't even know what he's averaging. But Carmel this year off the bench has been good for them. Yeah, he has. But Carmelos also completely leaned into his role with the team. Absolutely.

Because he has moved past the I Need to Start. Westbrook should be off the bench. He hasn't gotten over himself. He still sees himself as a viable elite player. And how you see yourself inside is one thing. But how you evaluate your actual play is something different. And that's why the chemistry is off. Mello's averaging 13.5 points off the bench.

He's totally leaned into what he is. Yes. I've said this. I've never been a huge Mello fan. But LeBron, Malik Monk, Anthony Davis, Mello, Reeves. Stanley Johnson, you could bring him back. I'm like, that's a good place to start. Yeah, I mean, Mello's been, I would not move Mello.

I think he likes it here. I think he likes LeBron. And by the way, you need shooters off the bench. He's a veteran. Playoffs help veteran guys in the playoffs. So Mello, I'm willing to move off it. He is really leaned in. I agree. And I think that that's important for any organization that's going to be competitive

is guys really knowing what they do and doing it to the highest level. So this year's quarterback class has not been described as having as much talent as drafts in the past. But Nevada quarterback Carson Strong thinks the criticism he and his peers is getting is unfair. I know, like the media especially says that this draft class, for quarterbacks is, you know, weak or whatever. But, you know, I think that there's a ton of good quarterbacks in this draft class. All these dudes can play football. None of us would be in the conversation to get drafted if we couldn't.

I think that this quarterback class just gets a lot of maybe crap that we don't deserve. You know, maybe I'm being personal and biased because I'm in it. But, you know, I think that there's a lot of guys who have a ton of potential to be really good in the league. Well, he's got a big arm. He's not a mover, though. I will say this. As the position gets more dynamic, we are all looking for dynamic. Right.

And there's not a lot of, I've watched all these guys play. The kid that's the most dynamic, I haven't seen a bunch of, the Liberty Kid, and he just jumps off when you go see his YouTube stuff. It's like Trey Lansing at his school. Like, you're just going to draft him high. But the positions, we're seeing so many great athletes play it, bigger, stronger, faster. So we are looking for that. And this class has guys that kind of feel like pocket guys, solid guys. So I don't think we're saying they couldn't make the league.

but the position now demands you be special. And I just don't see a lot of special. Yeah, you were not seeing transformative. And maybe we're just not seeing it. I mean, look, there's a lot of guys who have done well and done great work in the league who didn't necessarily come from the biggest schools or weren't the biggest. So Malik Willis, when you look at his body composition and how he plays,

I see special then. He's the only guy you look at the film and go, oh, oh, yeah, he's yoke. He's big. And he can push the ball down the field. Well, it's just going to depend where a lot of these guys go, too. And that might actually be the thing that moves the needle a little bit. It's because they are not going to end up going high in the draft. They go to the Steelers.

To these struggling teams. They might end up in better situations. Yes. And then, you know, we'll all end up looking silly. Yeah. But they ended up going to better situations, which benefited them. I would love to see Kenny Pickett go to the Steelers or Willis. But I think Pickett's fun because he's a Pittsburgh kid.

Yeah, I don't get the whole like the Steelers don't draft pick guys. They don't like to. share the same facilities they don't like. I think that's overblown. I'm born and raised in Pittsburgh. The city is completely split. But I would argue it's even more diverse when it comes to alumni and allegiances for college football. There's a lot of Penn State fans.

There's a lot of Penn State people in Pittsburgh. So I wouldn't even argue that. Kenny Pickett's right hand was measured of eight and a half inches, which would be the smallest of any quarterback currently in the NFL. Oh, boy, Joe Burrow had a hand thing, and then he did okay. Yeah, he had a good tweet about that. I'm going to retire my tiny hands. I saw that. So Nick Siriani is heading into his second season as the Eagles head coach.

Did tremendous job. Tremendous job. And once again, he's taking an unconventional approach to his draft evaluations. Last year, he challenged players to rock paper scissors during his interviews. Didn't like that at all. I've lost one time in my life in rock paper scissors. Be the barball. The key is go paper first time.

The key is to know exactly what your opponent's going to. to do and read minds, which is what I do. This year he brought a mini basketball hoop. And then he explained why he asked prospects to shoot free throws at the start of their meetings. If we can figure out when we get in there a little bit of their competitiveness, if we can get a little sense of that, that's a plus, right? We'll do anything to figure out some of the answers to the test, right? Whether it's, hey, can we figure out a little bit more about the player's toughness?

Can we figure out a little bit more about the player's competitiveness? Can we figure out a little bit more about the players love for football? Can we figure a little, like, we'll do what we need to do to do that. And so do you always get that answer by shooting five baskets before they start off? No. Siriani and Howie Roseman also doubled down on their commitment to Jalen Hertz in 2022 and the opportunity to add around him. I actually, I'm in on this. I think I've been swayed by Seriani.

You know what I've come to terms of Seriani? I don't like his combine interviews. The rest of it's fine. I will say this. And I don't know if this is part of his strategy. But when you go into an interview and you're a young person, it can be very stressful. It's very intimidating. I mean, this is your future.

This is what you've worked for your entire life. So maybe doing something a little light, rock paper scissors, shooting some free throws. Kind of brings the tension down a little bit. Let's play rock paper scissors one game. Opens them up. Right now, one game. I have to have the energy right, Colin. You can't just bring this on me.

I'm going to go one game to just. See what it is. Let's do it on television, one game. Nobody's turning this off right now. People are switching off other networks to watch this. All right, you're doing rock, paper, scissors, shoot. You have to, no cheating. You have to do it on three.

So rock paper scissors, and then you throw out where rock paper scissors shoot. What are you talking about? Let's just go one, two, three, boom, and we'll see who wins. Is it one, two, three, boom. One, two, three, boom. One, two, shoot. Okay, let's go right now, right now. One, two, three, boom.

It's not a three. Okay. Oh, uh-huh. Right. Like Anne. One, two, three. One, two, three. Boom.

Yeah. Second time. See, the energy wasn't right. Second time of my life. That was riveting television. I got to light some sage when I get home. You and Kyrie Irving. Yeah.

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