The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Sean Payton, Andrew Whitworth

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

In hour 3, Sean Payton stays on for little bit longer with Colin to talk about the Bengals getting back into routine and how Dallas should still feel pretty good about their chances to win the division. While Andrew Whitworth joins to speak on the Eagles and the importance of Aaron Rodgers building confidence in the young players.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's hour three. We're live in L.A. It's the herd wherever you may be. However you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. So I'm bringing Sean Payton over start at hour number three. And this has been, you know, you're a nice guy. You don't need to hear this. But Sean's been great for us because I love football so much,

and I feel like I'm picking your brain every week. And the conversations off the air and on the air have been such a joy for me. I appreciate you coming here. Well, look, I appreciate you guys having me on. And I was explaining this at dinner last night. When you go from a schedule, the coach has or assistant coach has or the player has where every day, Mondays are, the sky's falling Monday today around the league.

Mondays are skies falling Monday. Players are injured. You're working guys out. You're coming off a loss. Even if you've won the skies falling, you put that game, it wasn't as good. The tape wasn't as good as you. you thought and it's just stressful Tuesday your game plan on Wednesday Thursday

and so the hours and the interaction with people is is there's just a ton of it and when that all stops and it's quiet and you're doing the Sunday show and Fox and you know do the kickoff show and the next show and like I'm telling you I lay out my clothes Saturday night I can't wait to go to work Sunday. And it's not that I don't enjoy free time, but it's like interaction with football. And so then it's like, hey, there's a group that wants you to come on Monday to talk football. Yeah, where?

I'd love to. And so, like, kick me off when it's time to go. But this is what you miss, though. You miss interaction, discussion. Because when it all stops and there's no itinerary, And there's no timeline. And there's no one on the 9 o'clock hour for you. And there's no one on the 9.30 block.

And you're just at home with your thoughts and your workout schedule and your food and your dogs and your wife. It changes. And that's a big change. So we talked about this during the break. And so I'm going to kind of cut through it. So you know everything about the Saints and their personnel. So there was a moment yesterday at the end of the game. So I think Burrow and Jamar Chase are just different.

They played in college together. I mean, literally Joe went to the front office and said, draft him, and they needed old line help. And so you get to the end of the game, and Dennis Allen, the defensive coach, has that Saints defense. And they brought some people on it. Yeah, yeah. And so it's really interesting because it was a very close game, and I'm not sure how

you defend them, but the Saints kind of went for it and they got burned. Yeah. And look, so there's that moment in the game where, look, the saints are punting, and they're going to have to defend one more possession. I don't know how much time's left, but I know we're at that two-minute mark, inside two minutes. And look, the first thing, and the punter for New Orleans is a good young punter, but this thing goes Charlie Brown off his foot.

It does. And it goes 20-some yards. And there's nothing worse as a coach. There's nothing more deflating. when you punt the ball from your end and the ball sails over your bench area. You're not used to that. You're used to looking to your right, not up.

And so shanks the punt. The ball now for Cincinnati's at midfield. Field goal here, I think, ties. And I know what Dennis was thinking. He was thinking, let's create a minus play on first down. Push them back. Push them back. Let's pressure on first down and then play coverage maybe on second and third down.

Cincinnati gets into a three-by-one formation. We were just talking about this. And so when you get into a lot of these trips formations, you'll see quarterbacks throw to the passing strength, to the three-receiver side with route combinations, whenever there's a soft zone coverage. But the minute that soft zone changes, and whether it's single safety, man-to-man, three-deep coverage,

or in that case yesterday, pressure, the X is your outlet. So Burrow knew exactly where to go. He knew, and I was watching it live, and as soon as I saw the pre-snap look, I said to myself, this ball's coming to chase. It's the number one and easiest thing to teach a quarterback. It's when you get pressure on a three-to-one, three-receiver's one-side. Three-to-one, it's going to the one.

Always goes to the one. Yeah, and that's why you put Chase as the one. That's why you have Mike Thomas, as the one. That's how you have Stefan Diggs. That's why you have. So you've got to be very careful defensively when you take that weak safety off of help of the corner.

And so if the common fan was watching and they saw a trip set and they saw cover two, there's a lot of times that ball's going to be worked to the strong side in a combination pattern. But when that shell breaks and it did when they pressured yesterday, boom. Here it was back at up. LSU and the last time those two threw completion together was in the national championship game

against Clemson in that same stadium. So you were talking about how Mondays, it's overreaction, everybody's freaking out, right? The sky is falling Monday. So it was funny, I looked at the Cowboys and I thought to myself, I'd feel pretty good. First of all,

my backup made it a game. Second of all, I don't think the talent gap. I do think Philadelphia's got better offensive weapons, great corners. But I've got a pass rush. I've got to have a veteran quarterback coming back. Two capable running backs.

My tight end, who's excellent, will come back the next time I face Philly. Yeah. What they basically did is they had 10 penalties and three turnovers. I looked at that Dallas game and I thought, I wouldn't feel terrible. If I watched the film today in Dallas. I agree. I agree. And I think this, it's easy to go back and then look.

But if you went back five weeks and said, all right, we're going to go. go four and one here in the next five weeks while DAC recovers and you don't get to pick the loss. You'd take it. In other words, if we're going to win four of our next five games with Cooper Rush, Cooper's done his job. We got a chance to see that

team create an identity, if you will, a little bit. And I agree 100% with you. And so they'll play them again in the regular season. They're in the division. So there's a lot of football still left. Philly looked Fantastic. It was the type of game we all wanted to see, and yet you know that you're going to see that one again. That's the difference between the Buffalo, Kansas City game. If we see that again, it's a playoff game. All right, we know we're going to see Philly at Dallas, and it'll be a national TV game.

So tonight we have Russell Wilson and the Chargers. So, you know, we've talked about this. I, and I've said this about Brian Dable. I think his creativity and his ingenuity in the red zone with some limitations on the O line and receivers. I can see the coaching. And by the way, similarly with Robert Sala, takeaways, passion, it's almost college, I can see the coaching. I get concerned, Matt Lefleur, when I'm like, okay, this is year four, you're not running the ball well enough. The special teams have regressed. I'm not seeing it. Now, some of it's just personnel.

But it's interesting with Denver tonight. So now you've got, you've had an extra time, extra day. they haven't rolled the pocket enough, in my opinion. They're not playing to Russell's strengths. If they don't again, like a prime example, what if Russell's saying, coach, I want to throw it from the pocket, where's the line with a star quarterback saying,

Russ? We got to do things. Do you think there's a push and pull in that Denver situation? Well, I don't think it's push and pull, but I think there's, look, I can't speak for another locker room, another relationship. But all the time, Drew and I would discuss,

hey, at the end of the week on Saturday, we'd be at the hotel, we'd finish the team meeting, finish the offensive meeting. The last thing we'd do before game day Sunday would be a dot meeting where we'd go through, you know, the plays in each section. Let's talk about the play action pass. I want to know your top three now,

after the week's finished, and I'd Sharpie these three. And I want to call those plays that he likes. You put it on your chart. Those are the three. I just take a Sharpie. The chart's already made up. And I would dot those as plays he likes.

And then I always wanted to know, hey, is there something you didn't like? And periodically, not often, but periodically, he might say, hey, I don't feel comfortable with that. I don't feel like we got a good enough look with that this week. And I just put a line through it. We have plenty of plays, plenty of offense. So let's find the ones that he likes. At the beginning of the week and the early part of the week that you're discussing, and there's interaction between the quarterback and the quarterback.

or the quarterback and the head coach, if he's the coordinator. You know, there's this discussion as to how we want to play this defense, and then what we want to do were put in. And so, let's say we all had a new idea here, and we liked it. And tomorrow morning we gave it to whoever our quarterback was. Then we'd want to set up the look in practice where it's simulated the Chargers defense. And you want to get a rep or two where you're like, I see it. It feels good. I like it.

And that's kind of the thing that goes on during the week when you're putting in something different or new. Yeah, do I think there's give and take? Absolutely. Drew would come in. He'd say, I really like this play. And I'd say, oh, we'll put it in then. We'll put it in. I'll call it. And when there's ownership with something like that, boy, they find a way to make it work. That's right. You with me?

Yeah, yeah. I like that. It worked. And the other way around, when I really love something more than he does, And it doesn't go well. Like he'll turn and look at you in the sideline. And you're like, come on, really? But no, I think it's healthy back and forth. I just don't know where Hackett and Russ would be relative to that relationship.

So when you watch Daible, again, I'm just an every man. When you watch Daible... You see it and feel it. Oh, I can absolutely... His situational... He's using some tricks down there telling me my personnel has got some limitations. I'm going to do a lot of, he's using a lot of tricks. Jet sweeps, reverses, misdirection.

But I got to tell you, most of it's working. Well, here's what I saw also. We're at the end of the game. There's a minute and 40, a minute 20-something left. They want to get a first down. Barclay's going to score, but he slides. He slides, right? Right at the end of the game, he downs himself at the three-yard line.

Clock's the very next play, they're on a knee. And it's what we didn't see Cleveland do. That's right. Four weeks ago. Yep. And so obviously that's something you practice. You know, we call it down down or we call it Miller Time. Miller Time is one more first down and we're all having a beer.

Yep. All right, it's Miller Time. So we don't want to score. All right. Time is of the essence. And so here's a young player still, I think, with Barclay. Sure. Breaking through the line of scrimmage, he gets the first down.

He's going to score. Now everyone who had him in fantasy is throwing their chance. chips at the TV. But he did the right thing. He slid. And the very next play, they were in victory on a knee, and they secured the win. But we saw Cleveland score there, and you might think, well, how's that going to? Well, they kick off.

The opponent scores on-side kicks and scores again. Meaning you just extended the game, and New York closed the game out. So you like them buying into the coach. Well, it's a clear sign of situational football. And it's a sign of smart football. And so when you see that all happen and unfortunately, hold the way it's supposed to and their sidelines excited and it's it's good coaching yeah all right this was great anything else on your mind you watch any college Saturday the SC Utah game was good

let me ask you this interesting so so you had one of our old quarterbacks oh all right he he he came to training camp for the saints and I heard your discussion Joe Clad yes he was our camp, Joe Clatt, and you were back and forth on this game and he didn't like the matchup for SC. Now look, I thought in that game after watching it, and I hardly ever get to watch a lot of college football, but the last team with the ball won the game. And it was a great game. Can I ask you a situational question? Yeah. Because a lot of people banged on Lincoln Riley for this. You were one of them. So Utah's driving, and there's a lot of people that felt USC should have just used timeouts. So if Utah scores,

Caleb William has a minute left. Yeah. And then part of me thinks that he was thinking they're not going to score. And so by the time when we stop them... Yeah, but here's here's what I know exactly what you're discussing. If they're not going to score, they're not going to score. It's not because time's going to run out. Typically speaking, I'm going to extend

the game. You're going to call timeouts. Unless, unless I feel like the team we're playing has had trouble scoring and it's a lower scoring game, then I might lean on the time running out as opposed to stopping it for them. I don't want to call my first timeout when it's second and two. Right, that's a wasted timeout.

Right, because then they get a first down and then a minute. But I'm typically, this is just my nature. I want the ball last. How do I get the ball last? And how do I get the ball last with the most amount of time? Now, that's born out of confidence with a player like Breeze. Well, but Caleb and Lincoln probably feel that way too, though. I would think so.

Meaning the way they move the ball offensively, just let us have the ball last. And so earlier timeouts, yeah, stop it. Stop it again. I like what you said, though. This is really, you simplified that. I want the ball last and the most time possible. Yes. As a coach, that would be very easy for me in crisis to remember.

Yeah. How do I get the ball last and the most time? With a good quarterback. Yeah, if I got, yeah. We can flip this whole thing around and say, I want to defend this last drive and then take a knee. You know, in other words, but with an offense you're confident in, we want it last.

Yeah. Just a random question, the Caleb Williams, the USC quarterback, he looks unbelievable to me. You know, we've had these discussions before. Is the great quarterback going away? and I would say we've never been more healthy relative to what's coming into our game. He's a kid.

And there's a number of them. There's four or five this year that I've seen play a little bit. But I agree with you. He was exciting. And the kid from Utah was just a gamer. I mean, the play at the end. Yeah, I mean, it was unbelievable. All right, great seeing you, coach.

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there is such parity now. And my theory is that Kirby Smart is such a good recruiter that he's peeling away about four high school players a year from Bama. And Bama's just like everybody else now. If they lose a defensive end, their backup is just a backup. And when you start watching Alabama now, They don't look quite as dominant. They don't have quite the consistent pass rush.

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Their backups were better than the starters. Now all these SEC teams have the right coach. And also Nick Sabin still, Colin, struggles against quarterbacks who are very mobile and can run. Hooker beat him with the arm and the legs. Boy, I tell you what, good luck to Oklahoma and Texas. Good luck going into that conference now. If Billy Napier gets it going at Florida, where are the wins?

Yeah. Listen, I know you like Bryce Young a lot. But if you're from an NFL perspective watching Bryce Young and you watch Hendon Hooker, I know Hooker's like 24 years old, who would you rather have as your quarterback in the NFL? I think Bryce Young does stuff you can't teach. I think his feet and his release are literally next. level, but he's also small and hooker's big.

I'm telling you, the kid at SC. He's a grown man. I'll tell you, the kid at Kentucky, the Will Levis kid is sloppy, but a huge talent. And Caleb Williams, to me, if he came out this year, I'd pick him number one. I think he's that good. The kid Anthony Richardson at Florida, it sounds like he's going to go back to school for another year. I think that's not terrible.

Yeah, he's been up and down a little bit. Man, the SEC, when Oklahoma, Texas entered that thing, it is going to be crazy. And I took LSU to beat Florida this weekend. Just give him one more year. Nobody, you're going to have three loss SEC teams that can play with anybody in the country. Remember that LSU team that had two losses and won the – didn't they win the title? That's what the future is of college football. All right, J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with diminutive quarterbacks, the Miami Dolphins. Remember they started 3-0, 201. was hot. Everybody loved the dolphins. They beat the bills. They now are on a three-game losing streak. They lost to the Vikings 24-16. That was a game we gave out here on the herd. Skyler Thompson, the third stringer, started, heard his thumb. Teddy Bridgewater came in.

was a bit of a turnover machine. Mike McDaniel says, we're not offering excuses. I'm going to demand that the team does not point at that to be a reason for, you know, what's happened or reason for the loss. I think that's the easy thing to do. I think that's the path of least resistance. And generally, the path of least resistance doesn't lend the results that ambitious, convicted,

all in players, team, organization want. This is actually Miami. That's a good roster. They're just going through in-season turbulence. But when I watch them play, they got real players here. But you can't win in this league with the third. Minnesota's a good team. Minnesota's going to win that division.

Well, we talked about it Friday. They're down both their starting tackles. And the quarterbacks got drilled all game long. And by the Vikings, who don't even have a great pass rush. Miami, I'm not sure what to believe in this team. They talk about bringing two a back. Like, he's going to start against Pittsburgh. Miami will go on a nice run when they have their starting quarterback back.

Whenever that is. This is a good roster with a lot of playmakers. Both sides, by the way. Yeah, yeah. All right. Next up, Colin, let's do the Arizona Cardinals. The 19-9 loss to the Seahawks Sunday. I don't really want to talk about this game because I was on Arizona and it cost me some money and I'm very upset.

You can't score a touchdown against the worst defense in the league. They had a special team score. That was their only touchdown. Kyler Murray, who shouldn't really be talking at this point, opened up and said he's frustrated with the team right now. Probably, I mean, rookie year, probably. Yeah, that's the last time I've felt this hard, you know. It's just tough out there right now. Tough.

That's what it feels like. And a lot of it, like I said, is self-inflicted. Putting it on ourselves, got to be better. You can't finish. Can't finish. That's the moral story right now. So not finishing drives. Not putting the ball in the end zone.

Can't win like that. So if you look at the numbers, he ran for a lot of yards and passed for over 200. You know, this is a situation where they don't trust their kicker, so you're forcing Arizona to go for it in situations where you would, you know, historically data-wise, you would kick it. I give them a little pass on that because they're getting yards. They're not finishing drives. Between the 20s, they're fine.

They moved the ball well. The defense actually played well. Gina Smith did not look like at the top five quarterback. He's been this year. I feel Arizona in the Raiders. We can all beat up on them. I think there's stuff there. I think they've got the quarterbacks and the playmakers.

this is a tough. Man, the margins in this league are inches. So DeAndre Hopkins returns Thursday. And they just traded for Robbie Anderson, the malcontent from Carolina. I'll just say this. The GM and the coach need to figure out what's going on with the kicker. You better not go into Thursday's game with this same guy who you don't trust. Like he missed an extra point, missed the field goal against the Eagles to send it to overtime.

I think they're going to figure some stuff out. I think Arizona Thursday night wins puts a little bit of. this to bed. I don't know. It's just so easy. Everybody got an extension. You're not firing anybody, so figure it out. Early money for Thursday night's game is on the road Saints who haven't even decided who their quarterback is yet. All right, Colin, we'll wrap up with tonight's game, actually. Monday night football, AFC West Showdown, Broncos and the Chargers, Denver 4 and 2 in their last six matchups against L.A., but now they have Russell Wilson. They have not won on the road yet. Remember the last time they went on the road, the Raiders moved

up and down the field against them? I'm taking Denver. What? Wait, to win or with the points? Division rivalry games, this is going to be, it's going to be an uglier version of Bill's Kansas City where these teams know each other, the personnel's played against each other. I think it's a very,

very competitive game. You can run on the Chargers. Melvin Gordon, right? I think this is a very close. I don't know who's going to win. I think it's a very close competitive. interesting. They're Nathaniel Hackett under the spotlight and another primetime game. I think the Broncos have played four primetime games already and this is week six. Colin,

Foxbet has it at Chargers favor by four and a half. What's your predictions? I'm taking it's a 2623 game, but it's too close. I would take the points in Denver. So you're going over and the dog here. No shot. Give me the under Chargers roll 2313. Russell Wilson not doing any Mr. Unlimited videos after this loss. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Sean Peyton told me off the air. He said he may be the best guy we have in our league. He's now on Amazon. He's going to make the Hall of Fame. The Rams have missed him dearly. It's Andrew Whitworth, who picked up a broadcasting job. It took me 10 years to get a good job in this industry. You got one in an hour and a half.

It's great to see him. It was funny. I was watching Philadelphia. And that office. You know, guys like me, we want firework shows. And I thought, man, if I was a lineman, that 13 play drive for the Eagles,

is that for you as an offensive lineman? That a 13 play drive to win the game, is that as good as it gets for you? I think it really is. Your biggest moments are those moments. When you get a chance, hey, we can close this game. Is that what coach says on the sideline? Yeah, they come to you. They say, hey, Oline, this is on you.

These are the moments you're here for. We can close this game. You go out, your job. And I think to me that line is one of the reasons we say it. Plenty of said it. They're good. They're great. They are literally the reason that team's successful. You see when Lane Johnson goes down immediately how that game

changes a little bit. The next two series, we're not the same. It's a whole different game. It's like when that groups together and they have all five guys, they're as special as there is in this league up front. Are there old lines that are better pass blocking than running? Because I watch Philadelphia's and I think they're good at both. When Lane's healthy,

some lines have specialties. I kind of feel like the Bengals, for instance, did a little better job past protection. I still don't love their run blocking unit. When you watch the Eagles, do you think that's the best line in the business? Yeah, I think so. And exactly for what you just said. I think when you watch them, what I think is really unique about the Eagles team is what they're doing when Jalen Hertz, the ability they have to run the football, run these RPO's, these options

with him. And then they can also have the receivers in the talent to drop back and throw it if they want to. Well, what makes them capable of doing that? They have a group up front that can move you at the line of scrimmage in the run game. And then, oh, by the way, if you make it a game where we might have to sit back here and throw, we've got one of the best past protecting units in the NFL as well. So I think that's really when you look at a defense. It's like, how do we want this team to beat us? Even if we get them behind the chains, it's not like we get to get after the quarterback because they know how to protect him. They've got some of the best in the business at tackle that can do it.

So you don't really see a weakness where you say this is the kind of game we want to make it with this team because they have the ability up front to beat you in both ways. So when Brady barks at the offensive line, I've seen him bark at coaches. So I look at it and I just think, this is Tom. I've seen him Belichick, Josh McDaniels. I've seen him bark at Gronk. And so when you're an offensive lineman and you're sitting there and here comes the quarterback, take me to what it's like. That's a tough. It's a tough situation.

You know, it's like one of those things. You don't always assume your own camera at a game, but you do sometimes when somebody screaming at you, a coach, a player, whoever it is. In that moment, I imagine, obviously, it's the goat. It's Tom Brady. I think for those guys, they probably just shut up and listen because he's the man.

You're not going to see a lot of arguments there. I think there's been some old clips of Saturday and Manning, maybe getting in a couple, you know, tiffs on the sideline. But in that situation, you're not playing well, and that guy comes over. You probably sit there and take it. You know what I mean?

I mean, obviously I think there's been a lot of just because of Brady's extracurriculars on the weekend, going, you know, to the wedding and then missing the walk through. How do you think that played with guys? That's tough, Andrew. If you missed the Saturday meeting, he's got a private jet. I'm going to be honest. It's not a, you know, it's probably not a fun take to say, but to me it bothered me. I mean, it really did. Just for me, I think what Tom's always been known at us is the guy that's like, you will never outwork me. You will never out-prepared me. I will out-work anybody in this business. And I think every one of those guys looks up to you that way. I know for me, it's not like after year 16, I had to walk away from the game. I still played at a really high level.

But one of the things that made me retire is I got to that point mentally where I was like, you know what, I don't always want to be here. And I don't always want to do this. I know I can go out and play well, but I don't want to ever be a disservice to the guys who look up to me that this is who I am and how I play the game. So for me, it just bothered me because that's how I look up to Tom Brady. And for it to be, hey, we're going to miss something that's a pivotal day to get ready and prepare. So Saturday morning matters.

I mean, if they really had a. walk through that he missed. I mean, you're hearing that. I mean, normally most teams do Saturday morning. You have a walk through a final tape preparation, go through the last plays. It matters a bunch because it's our last time together. We go get on a plane and then the next thing you know, we're playing football. So that's our last moment together in that, on the field together, talking through plays. Yeah, I want to talk about your Rams because sometimes there are excuses and sometimes there are reasons. Dog ate my homework's an excuse. Mom got into a wreck driving me to school. So the offensive line has fallen apart. You're on a third string center for

the Rams. Now, no, boom is out for the season. Outside of the right tackle, it's backups. And there's just limitations. And, you know, by the way, Van Jefferson's out. Brian Allen's an excellent center. But I will say this. I said something a few weeks ago, and I said, they're not using camakers. And I said, I've seen him miss blocks. I hear he's not a great practice player. And you've got to be all in with Sean. Because Sean's a player's coach, but you got to be all in. So my takeaway in, I don't think they can solve some of their issues. They won the ring. I do feel like when I watch the Rams, like when the Niners get healthy, they're going to be really good. I don't know. Is this a lost season for the Rams? I think it's tough because when you look at the health issue,

exactly what you just said. I got four kids under 11. I know all the excuses you can make for why you didn't go to homework, get your homework done or miss something. So, but you know, look at this group, I think when you look up front, I mean, you're talking about you're in your third center, you're on maybe your fourth, fifth guard that you thought was going to be playing in a game. I mean, NFL rosters, this isn't college football. They're not really meant for those kind of things to happen. And that's just a fact. It's not an excuse. It's just some seasons are lost to injury are made really extremely harder. You're going to have that one game at the end of the season where you say, oh, we would have made the playoffs. But back in that streak, when we were

missing a bunch of guys, we lost some games we shouldn't have. And that's just, that's how NFL football is. That's why every year we have a surprise team that makes the playoff and a surprise team that doesn't. And I think for them, it's a lot of issues. It's, hey, it's unfortunate, this defense is so good. And you're going to mess up a season where the defense is playing as good as they're playing. But I think for them, they've got to get healthy on the O line to have any chance. They need Van and they need somebody like Van that can take the top off of defenses and be that deep threat that Matthew Stafford loves. Okay. And so yesterday Robinson came back. Here's my question. Would you go get McCaffrey?

I think they need somebody explosive in offense. Because I think to your point, we can talk about the injuries up front. We can talk about, hey, we need Van Jefferson, these kind of things. But if you really look at that offense, even if you just put their starting group back out there, you kind of are missing, hey, where's somebody that just one hit or quitter? I'm going to hit this guy with a ball in a good situation. He's taking it to the house. Yeah, Cooper Cup gives you some broken tackles, explosive plays like that.

But they don't have a second one. But they don't have another guy who does something like that. Yeah. Okay. We're going to take a break with wit back. A lot of questions. Don't love what I'm seeing in Green Bay. Also, Josh Allen, Kansas City, that kind of rivalry.

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net suite.com slash heard. Andrew Whitworth, Bigwit, 16 NFL seasons. Going to end up in the Hall of Fame, the Walter Peyton man of the year, two Super Bowl appearances, former LSU guy, and as Sean Payton told me off air, maybe the best guy in the league. He's now with Amazon. So I'm watching Kansas City Buffalo, and I felt the Rams and the Niners had this, where you were sitting around with Shanahan and McVey for a couple of years, just going, this is good as football gets.

When you're in these big rivalry games, and there's a certain level of, I'm, I'm I'm facing the best, not us in the league. Take me to your Niner Ram games. Take me to these big games against great teams. Does it feel different as a player? Oh, there's no doubt. The energy that week, even in your coaches, you can feel this game means more. It's like nobody's going to say it.

They're even going to keep saying, that's what I always look for. Hey, this game doesn't mean more than the other games. And I'm like, he's just talking to himself when he says that in front of us. Because you know that energy and the passion around that game. I mean, I'm not even playing. I saw the promos of Josh Allen not getting the ball. all back last year in the playoffs, and it's like, I can't wait to watch this. Just that passion and energy and what it means.

It's that kind of game. You don't think about games the next year that are coming up that much, but those are the games you actually do. You're thinking about that game for four months. You're saying, when I get this opportunity and this big moment, I can't wait for it. 40 million people watching. Von Miller, you faced him at practice. He is that player that is literally better in the biggest games.

What makes his skill set so, tough for left tackles, right tackles. I think really when you think about Vaughn, it's his ability. If you've ever seen this guy's thighs, I mean, they're bigger in my whole body. He's known as this twitchy, the ghost rush, the duck unders, all these things that he could hit you with, the spins. But what he can actually surprise you with is the power that you'll get out of nowhere. And that's what sets all those moves up.

If you watch him in the opener against Joseph Noteboom, he hits him with a surprise bull to start the game and knocks him into the quarterback. And then that started all the moves. because now you're starting to brace your feet, and the second you do, he hits that little subtle dip, a little subtle jump underneath spin, and you're guessing the rest of the time. I don't want to get knocked back in the quarterback.

I don't know which moves coming, and he just does a great job of really understanding leverages and having a plan for how he rushed. I remember Dwight Freeney always talked about setting up his spin move and that feeling leverage throughout the game, and Vaughn does it as good as anybody in the game. Yeah, he's just really special. But Buffalo, by the way, as the Rams found out,

in week one. They're like LSU. They got like seven guys that can rush the passer. This is why I think Buffalo is so tough. You get a fresh guy. They just keep bringing them.

You know, everybody's got the guy. In your career, because I think Buffalo's unique. Eight guys up front and they just rotate them. Did you ever face a team like that where you felt, God, this is a third guy I've seen.

They're all good. Yeah, I think Buffalo is really special in that way. last week talked about it to me it was one of the biggest factors of this game is that when you really i think with paying patrick my homes you can see him defeat teams that might have one good edge rusher because he kind of he's so good at figuring out his ways to escape and get out of pockets but when you start coming from both sides and having success and you have a guy on each edge that can really win and now you can start to do the robert mathis dwight freeney high low tight rushes

where one guy's trying to win low one guy's trying to win high and we're really putting the quarterback in a tough position to get out of the pocket i think with buffalo's group and then oh by the way they have interior guys that can win too. I think it's just a rare group to have. And Josh Allen, it's something he hasn't had. In the success he's been having recently in the last couple of years, now all of a sudden, on the other side of the ball, he's got a defensive line that gets after the other quarterback

and puts them in tough situations to come back. I just think this Buffalo team is built to keep winning, and really this is their year to have that moment because you look at these rivalry matchups. The truth is they won this game, but it doesn't matter. I mean, I well know this. San Francisco beat us six times in a row, but we won the only game that matters.

And so the only thing Buffalo's got to do is remember, this game was a good win, but it doesn't mean anything until the end of the year. You can do it in prime time. When I watch certain teams, Philadelphia, I can see what they're trying to do. That's coaching. I can see, oh, they're trying to suck them in on this.

When I watch Green Bay right now, I don't know what they are. And I've said this. I don't know if Aaron's perfectly built. I mean, you're a dad, you're married. It's a life of sacrifice. Walking dog, cleaning up poop, that's your life. Aaron's a rich, single, never married, no kids. And now he's got a bunch of kids at wide receiver.

And it just takes a ton of patience. And so I get where it's like, this is kind of weird fit. Aaron, you're going to have to just keep going back to these guys. And I feel like as brilliant as he is, he may not be built for this unit, right? Like I watch Green Bay and when I watch him, my takeaway wit is, what are they? Yeah, I mean, you even heard him talking about after this game. They need to simplify even more, like more simplification.

I think it's tough. I think Aaron spent his offseason chilling out, and a lot of been talk about that and the potion or tea or whatever, you know, and it's like he might need an injection of some energy at this point because that's the other part to what you just said, being a father, right? Like these young guys, they're going to make mistakes and they're going to get down on themselves. They probably don't need everybody just calm down and relax. They probably need relentless positive. energy like hey you're okay like you got another snap fix it on this snap go make a great play right

here they probably need lots of energy and positivity to build them up rather than calming down because yeah he can calm down as he's done it forever that's right right but those guys probably need someone in their ears saying i know you drop the ball just through you you're going to get another one just keep your head up and stay in this and i think that's what he wants the simplification for it's like hey let's stop bothering them with motions and jet sweeps and all these things they got to know where they're supposed to be how they're supposed to line up Let's just line them up and let me try and give them confidence by feeding them balls and simplifying the game for them a little bit to where it's just about building their confidence

and not what they know about our offense. So I watched the Jets sideline, and one of the things I love about college football is the energy of it. And it's a long season in the NFL, but I felt like I can sense the Giants energy. I can sense the Jets energy. and as an older player, it might feel sappy. But I'm watching the Jets and I'm like, I love me on that sideline. And there is this thing about some teams are old, some players are old, Tom's old, you know, Tampa's now an older team.

When you watch a Jets and the kind of collegiate feel to it, as an older player, do you think that's a little college-y, or have you ever been sucked into this in the league? I think for me, when Sean McVeigh and I joined each other in LA with the Rams, it was one of the most invigorating parts of my career. This energy, relentless passion that he wanted our team to play with. I'll never forget it because for me, I'd been used to, you know, Marvin Lewis and kind of an old school, hey, we're just going to pound the football and be tough. And that's really the only things we ever talked about. And then all of a sudden, I have this guy come in who's just bouncing off the walls, full of energy, full of belief in you. And you're almost like, hey, man, like stop complimenting me so much or stop being so positive.

You know, I don't think that much of myself. And to have him come in and be like that, it was like, wow, I got new belief in myself. Even me is a 14-year veteran at that time, you know? So I think that it's really, it's something, you know, you look at the new age, the young kids, the differences they have in social media and everything coming up. They're getting a lot of both, and a lot of it is negative. I mean, and that's just the truth. And so they need to hear those things.

They need that energy in the building and that belief in them. And I think Robert Sala does it as good as anybody. I got to be across the sideline from him with the Niners and seeing him and the passion and energy he led that team with. It always impressed me every time just how engaged and how electrifying you just felt his personality was with his guys. And it's like you would see them make a play and run straight for him on the sideline after they made the play. And it's just to see that a player thinks of his coach that way. I was really, really excited when he got this job and to see it starting to come to fruition is really cool to see. First year, they were really uneven.

He's trying to create a culture. and they'd have great halves and terrible halves and you're like, and then they'd beat Tennessee and then they'd be bad the next week. Yeah, I mean, you think about it too, Colin, to that point, Quentin Williams, wanted to get after the quarterback more. Let me just rush. Let us do so many things.

You see him even willing to adapt to, hey, my good players, let them do what they want to do and what they're good at. They're rushing for more now, just letting those big guys up front get after it. Like, to me, it's the passion, the energy, and also the ability to say, what are my players do best? What are they really good at and what do they feel confident in? I'll give that to them. So to me, it's not just the passion.

It's the wisdom of understanding. I'm young in this game, but I know that my players being confident at their best is all I'm looking for. And if that helps us win, then that's the ultimate goal and the ultimate objective. And he's doing that as well. Andrew Whitworth, Amazon on Thursdays, always welcome on our show. Great seeing you as always. I appreciate it, brother.

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