The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Sean Payton is doing it right

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Thoughts on the progress of Broncos QB Bo Nix thanks to HC Sean Payton The Jets have good players but they need to find the right coach Colin discusses Ohio State easily beating Indiana on Saturday  ... Guests: Eric Mangini, Urban MeyerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:16 really good, Chiefs, really good, lions, really good, Eagles, Howie Roseman, that we tend to because we don't see them much. I saw a three-second shot of Howie Roseman. I see the coach, the quarterback, the pass rusher. You've worked in this league. I mean, the Jets and the Giants are a prime example. Howie Roseman is a risk-taker in the off-season. Trade deadline. Making moves.
Starting point is 00:03:37 I mean, I look at Philadelphia. Their story to me is as much Howie Roseman as it is Siriani. When you were in this league, how was Philadelphia viewed? Well, you make a great point about Philadelphia. I thought they did a really good job this off-season going and addressing the problems that they had. They had a problem in the secondary. They went out and addressed the secondary. They take chances that other teams won't.
Starting point is 00:04:02 They'll move on from head coaches earlier than other teams will. They'll look at poor decisions and they'll cut their losses. It's hard to do because oftentimes public opinion and the pressure from the outside and even ownership to some degree pushes you in one direction. But I think the things that the Eagles have been able to do successfully and consistently is buck that and be willing to go with what they believe in, and sometimes that's signing a guy earlier than other teams would. But they've consistently gone with the things that they believe in
Starting point is 00:04:39 with conviction, and they've addressed problems and needs proactively and without concern about whether or not public opinion is going to agree with them. Let me ask you, again, it looks obvious now. did you think Sequin would be this much of a game changer? He even looks faster. The screen game has been upgraded. The run game has been upgraded. Did you think it would look this good?
Starting point is 00:05:05 No, I didn't think it would look this good by any stretch of the imagination, and especially considering the way that Philadelphia finished last season, but Philadelphia has improved a lot of things. And Sequin is a big part of that. Not only what he brings from a performance standpoint, but he's like a cup of coffee for that organization, the attitude, the energy, the enthusiasm. I think there's an element of that that's been very contagious as well.
Starting point is 00:05:32 I did not expect him to have this type of season, this type of impact. I thought it would be very good, but not as good as he's been. Yeah. So we were talking about this. Sean Payton's obviously a good coach. And Sean, you know, he'll lead with his chin. and he said something about Nat Hackett. Well, he was right, and he's been proven right.
Starting point is 00:05:54 But when I watch Bo Nix, it's not just, I think we both thought, Bo and with 61 college starts, he's an older kid, and Sean, I mean, they had Cortland Sutton, they had Mims, they had decent tight ends, good runs. I think we both thought it would look, it could be better than most of the other young quarterbacks with a defensive coach. I'm shocked by how aggressive Bo Nix is. Eric, it's down the field. It's Cortland Sutton.
Starting point is 00:06:20 A lot of times young quarterbacks, it's a lot of dink and done stuff. You know, it's a 30, it's 70% of the playbook. This kid, if you didn't know better, he looks like a nine-year veteran in the league. Again, are you surprised how good it's gotten how quickly for Bonex? Yeah, it didn't start very good. And to Sean's credit, Sean was very aggressive with him even early on, even in the preseason. He threw a lot of passes. He put him in a lot of positions where he could either succeed or fail early on.
Starting point is 00:06:54 And it wasn't like he was spoon-feeding him and just kind of slowly push him along. It seemed like he threw him into the fire. He gave him a lot of responsibility. And early on, it was tough. And it's going to be tough for any of these young guys. But as it's gone on, it consistently gets better. And you do have the advantage of a guy like Sean with his experience. tutoring them and nurturing them.
Starting point is 00:07:20 And then you've got an older quarterback, a more mature quarterback, being able to absorb a system that's not easy. There's a lot of complex elements to it. But if you're cerebral and you work hard and you work consistently, you can start figuring out coverages. You can start figuring out protections. Things come easier as a season goes on. And a guy like Bo Nix, you're seeing the jumps each week.
Starting point is 00:07:43 So your name came out for the Jets opening. first of all have a comment on that what do you have Diana Rusini came out with it will you acknowledge it I haven't talked to you about this yet what do you make of the report well it would
Starting point is 00:07:57 it would make sense Colin because I just sold my house in New Jersey so that's simply how the NFL works is once you sell property then you get an opportunity you know once you buy property then you get fired you know I think it was just part
Starting point is 00:08:09 of an article I obviously am not lobbying for the job but I feel pretty good about what I did while I was there. I mean, we just had three of those guys that I coached going to the Jets Ring of Honor, and I think we were a smart, disciplined, tough team. I didn't realize they were getting the band back together, bringing Tannenbaum in. But it's, you know, it's like any other situation,
Starting point is 00:08:36 there's a lot of things that you can do with an organization from a vision and principal standpoint, and I feel good about what I did when I did when I'm. I was there. Yeah, I mean, by the way, I still contend they have good players. I think they have the best corners in the league. I like their back. I like Garrett Wilson. I like their O-line needs work, but I like their players.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Do you? Colin, I thought they were going to go, I thought they were going to win the division. I thought they were going to win it last year before Aaron got hurt, and then I thought they were going to win it this year. Look, I went through this with Brett, and we were eight and three until Brett got hurt, and I thought it was going to be a similar trajectory with Aaron Rogers. and it should be a similar trajectory that you've got, look, he's not what he used to be,
Starting point is 00:09:20 but he should make everybody around him better because of the things that he can do. And he took over for a situation that was arguably as bad as any situational league from a quarterback perspective. So naturally you thought there'd be a jump there. Yeah. You know, it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:09:38 I'd said this earlier, Eric Mangini joining us, Harbaugh, Bull. You know Jim. I don't know John. I know Jim. I really have fondness for him. I think initially, you know, everybody, you know, you were, you were a man genius. Everybody gets a nickname.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Everybody, you know, and Jim's an intense different personality, so people didn't know what to make of him. And now I think everybody has a real affection for him. I think people really like Jim. I don't know if you know John at all, but I want you to take our audience, because you worked with Jim. His ability to build a culture. Let's get out of the wind's losses because he does that everywhere. But his ability to build a culture.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Explain it to our audience because there's a Bill Parcell's thing going on. There's an Urban Meyer. It's one thing to build a culture. He does it in six months. Everywhere he goes. Now, the roster's not complete yet, and it took several years for Michigan's roster to get complete. But explain the culture, Bill. So with Jim, and I've said this before, there's an authenticity where what you see with Jim is who he is.
Starting point is 00:10:53 And when he says he loves football, he loves football, and he wants to, you know, when he meets his end, hopefully he'll be coaching. That's his perspective. And there's the love of the X and O part. And he'll grind like any coach that I've been around. And we were in the meetings for hours trying to figure out, was best but then there's also a a sincerity to the relationships that he has with his coaches and players i remember he recognizes everybody's birthday and he writes a long card about you on your birthday and and that may seem like like a really minor thing but there's not there's not
Starting point is 00:11:33 a lot of time the day to do things like that but it's it's thoughtful things like that for the people that are around him that endear him to that to the group and you know the way that he embraces families and allows them to come into the building there's so many things that are outside of football
Starting point is 00:11:52 but yet help build the culture within the building around football that Jim does naturally by who he is yeah Eric Mangini well I don't need to press you on the Jets
Starting point is 00:12:06 I mean if they called you would you pick the phone up yeah of course I were pick the phone up. Well, because you don't pick it up when I call you, so I just wondering. You know, it's funny because every week I look for that call and it never comes through. You must be
Starting point is 00:12:22 coming from an unavailable number. It's one of those Samsung phones. It doesn't work on planes or calling Eric Mancini. That doesn't quite, yeah. I'm hopeful, maybe this week. All right. Good seeing you, Coach. Good seeing you, Colin. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that far of year. They were eight and three in rolling.
Starting point is 00:12:39 And then, you know, injuries. So, you know, when I'm around the building, I always look to these former coaches and players and just try to get as much info as I can. He's got some really good stories about working for Woody Johnson. I'll just leave that there. Woody May say, you know what? Rex Ryan and Eric Mangini, I know him.
Starting point is 00:13:01 My prediction, I have not talked to him. I don't text Manjini. He would turn that down in a heartbeat. Working for Woody Johnson? Well, it's a lot of money. The guy's crazy. He tried to bench the starting quarterback in week four this year. are you kidding me who's going to want to work for this guy he came in two weeks ago and said i want
Starting point is 00:13:17 this safety chuck clark benched what is that that's not normal you can't work for someone like that unless he accepts an ambassadorship thanks to the new president overseas well then it's like oh wait a minute that's what james dolin did for the nix he was a meddler and then he built the sphere for like two years he disappeared and the nicks built a legitimate front office and the nicks now are a very well-run organization nobody's taking that job unless what he's overseas. Out of the picture. London's a five-hour flight away.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Can't come back. London's a beautiful city. That's my favorite city in the world. Over New York? Yes. Chicago's my second. Oh, stop it. It is.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Paris? Yeah. Chicago or Paris? No. London or Chicago. You got to see the more of the world then, buddy. Well, Florence, Italy is the... But that's not... It's small.
Starting point is 00:14:07 That's like a small town. Florence isn't very big big. I haven't been there, so. Soon, though. The Great Walking City. We're planning vacations. How about Madrid? Haven't been there either.
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Starting point is 00:19:14 Urban Meyer on Ohio State's thrashing of very overconfident Indiana. The rankings are out, the AP rankings are out, Oregon, Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, Georgia. Big Brands.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Can't wait for the playoffs starting December 20th. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's dig into the big game tonight. Justin Herbert leading the Chargers against the Ravens. LA is 7 and 3 their best start since 2018.
Starting point is 00:19:49 According to offensive tackle, Ray Sean Slater, Herbert has definitely been a leader in helping create a good culture, adding, I love that he's been more animated. Whenever we see him have that energy, he's very infectious. It's almost like the quarterback is feeding off the coach. and that positive energy. I know that sounds very nerdy for football people, but it's like that stuff matters, I think.
Starting point is 00:20:11 I really does. This is the best defense in the league. Last year, same players' worst defense in the league. Think coaching matters? Jesse Minter? I mean, Sean Payton Bownecks? Like, you're seeing, you are seeing great coaching in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh. Like, just all you got, you don't have to change the roster, add a couple pieces, and get the right staff in there. Minter spent, I believe, three seasons in Baltimore on that staff. So now you have a lot of familiarity with this Chargers staff. And I'm not going to lie.
Starting point is 00:20:44 I'm rooting Chargers tonight. Are you rooting? Do you root for teams or not really? It's hard to root against Baltimore because I really respect how the business is run. But all my friends are with the Chargers. So I have more proximity. I have more people I know inside the Chargers than any organization in the NFL. So it's hard for me not to want to see the Chargers win.
Starting point is 00:21:02 And it's one of those, you know, if Lamar loses this game, Colin, and they fall up to seven and five. What does this mean? You loot for storylines. Oh, okay. I mean, if the Chargers lose, it's not the end of the world. They've exceeded expectations. True. If the Ravens lose.
Starting point is 00:21:18 And Lamar's great. And they just can't stop them. What does it mean? Lamar's no good? No. I mean, I'd like to see him win a big game. When I say that on air and all these ravens, they say, oh, what do you mean? Joe Burrow, Week 7 or whatever.
Starting point is 00:21:31 None of these wins on. Thursday and Monday and Sunday have been big games. The big one on the schedule before the season was clearly at the Chargers. No, no. The big one was the Kansas City Chiefs to open the season, and they lost. By a toe. And then they peeled off a bunch of wins, and now they've been struggling a little. I just, I don't feel as good about the Ravens now as I did like a month ago. I don't either, but it's their defense. It's not their offense. I don't feel good about their defense.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Did the offense look good against Pittsburgh? Well, whose offense looks good against Pittsburgh? I would say the jet. Oh, no, not the Jets. Nobody's played well. The Chargers couldn't move the ball against the Steelers. No, I think they were down some dudes that day. They were.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Herbert was banged up, but it's like, it's okay if you're, it's like saying a defense is no good because they can't stop the lions. Who's stopping the lions? Nobody. The Colts actually yesterday, that's about as valiant. They slowed them down. They slowed them down. And they had their opportunities to win that league. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:26 Next up is, this was a big upset yesterday. The Titans, kind of a stunner over the Texans. mistake-filled day for C.J. Stroud. There's been a lot of those this season. He had two interceptions, sacked four times in the second half, including a running out of the back of the end zone on the final drive of the game to take a safety. That ended things. Stroud unhappy with his performance. It's a little secret. I mean, I haven't been playing well personally from my standard. I have a couple of good drives for good plays here, but it's just up and down, up right now.
Starting point is 00:22:56 So it starts with practice, and then it comes to the game, staying focused. I mean, I've been focused. I watch as much film as anybody, and it's just sometimes it doesn't go your way. And, you know, I've got to be harder on myself and, you know, realize that, you know, games can't come down and me making plays. And, you know, I didn't make enough. And I gave up the ball twice today. He'll be fine.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Bad O line. They should have gotten an offensive lineman, not another receiver. He's fine. You can see it. He's totally rushing it. And by the way, Tennessee's defensive front's pretty good. So he is just letting go with the ball a second early. can see it. He's not comfortable. I still think he's
Starting point is 00:23:32 really good. Throwing to Nico Collins, he's fine. Other than that, and the Joe Mixen Run game non-existent, 22 yards on I think like 14 carries. Zach came up with some good stats here. Houston had 13 drives. They had 12 first downs and 11 penalties. Colin, that is
Starting point is 00:23:47 not the mark of a playoff team. Now, they're lucky that the Colts lost, the Jags are a dumpster fire, and nobody's going to catch them in that division. But I don't, right now, Houston does not look like a team that's going to win a playoff game. Well, no, but um,
Starting point is 00:24:03 I, it's, I the only thing I know, I only think there's four teams that can win the Super Bowl. That's it? Your Super Bowl bubbles, four teams? That can win it. My Super Bowl bubble also includes other teams. Are the Denver Broncos one of the four?
Starting point is 00:24:19 They're not in the bubble. I had to ask. I should do the bubble tomorrow. Fired up? I like to pop a good bubble. See what I did there? No. No. Okay. Yeah. Anyways. Final story is college football. Poor Colorado, the fake ID, you know, just as you had to back off their fake ID stuff, oof, big loss Saturday. Gave up 520 yards and lost to Kansas. After the game, Dion Sanders called out his team for thinking too highly of themselves. We start smelling ourselves a little bit.
Starting point is 00:24:47 That's what I just told our team. We got intoxicated with the success. We got intoxicated with the multitude of articles and the assumption that we're this and the assumption that we're that. and we did not play CU football. Therefore, we got our butts kick. It is what it is. Well, Kansas is well coached. So, in fairness to Kansas, they're well coached.
Starting point is 00:25:10 They've knocked off some teams last couple of years. But, yeah, I mean, I like that Dion can acknowledge it. Because I do think there's a lot of stake here beyond Sizzle. I think they've proven they can play real big boy football. But, you know, Kansas, Kansas, since they got Leopold, they've been winning all the games. I think they're okay.
Starting point is 00:25:30 You get drunk on your own success a lot? No. I go home and grind. I'm a mason at home. I wish people would just stop writing about how great our show is. Yeah, I get tired of that. I start getting in my head about it. It's like, come up, can you guys lay off?
Starting point is 00:25:41 No kidding. Don't gas us up. No kidding. Feel the same way. It's just annoying. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.
Starting point is 00:25:50 The herd lie news. Who would? Who would? Yeah, okay, here we go. Kansas beat BYU and Colorado back-to-back-to-back weeks. They're really, really well coached. So I don't think that's a... Or that conference is just mediocre.
Starting point is 00:26:03 Well, that, that too. It's a little out there. BYU's fraudulent. Oh, my God. Well, I mean, everybody's... I mean, listen, everybody owes bangs on the SEC. I'll talk to Urban Meyer, but I still think the SEC's got more NFL bodies. The games look different.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Outside Ohio State. Ohio State's great. Oregon's really, really good. And then there's... You know, SEC looks like they got good teams to me. You know, I'm sitting there watching all these games yesterday. and I was talking about the Chicago Bears is that I've always found this kind of funny when fans are like, you always root for your team to win.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And I'm like, no, when Peyton Manning didn't come back and they were able to draft Andrew Locke, that was a win. When Cleveland was like intentionally soft tanking to get LeBron James, that's a win. There are times, like the way Chicago lost yesterday, and I'm like, the coaching was bad again, and Caleb was great. So you're going to get a better draft pick. there's going to be no doubt coaching has to be replaced and Caleb clearly this is a star that's the way to do it now now it's different for a you know so i think yesterday for chicago you would rather they win but this is a fourth place team i mean Minnesota and green bay and
Starting point is 00:27:13 Detroit are ahead of Chicago in terms of coaching and quarterbacking they're on schedule and we all knew coming into this year we all knew coming into this year that iber flus was on the hot seat he was the only coach, Mike McCarthy a little, but I mean, Iber Fluse was the only coach in the hot seat week one. And then they beat Tennessee, and everybody's like, oh, it's good. They shouldn't have beaten Tennessee. That was a
Starting point is 00:27:38 Will Levis mistake. So, I looked at this. Caleb looked great. Keenan Allen, DJ Moore. I mean, they got good players. Look at that throw. And Iber Fluse and the staff, it's a circus. Special teams are a circus. So I thought that was about as good as it goes.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Denver's different. Denver does have the right coach. Denver doesn't have the perfect personnel. But, you know, it's funny, if you look at the AFC playoff picture, Denver, if they beat Cleveland next, I think Denver's a playoff team. Miami may be a better football. If they played tomorrow, I'm not sure who I'd like. I think if Denver played Miami tomorrow, whoever's at home would win, because I think Miami's playing really well right now. but Matt Hasselbeck, I mean, I watch Bo Nix and Sean Payton and Cortland Sutton and those running backs and that old line,
Starting point is 00:28:32 I think Denver could win a playoff game. I don't think they could win a couple. I think they can win a playoff game. Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier. He doesn't take sacks. He doesn't turn the ball over. Helps the defense. It's complimentary.
Starting point is 00:28:44 You mentioned the 60-something starts in college. That matters. It also matters that Sean Payton's the guy. He's a Parcell's guy. He's got a foundation. He's got in terms of like an identity. and a formula that works. Now, that's a team that's playing really good football.
Starting point is 00:28:57 That's a quarterback that's playing confident. And much like Brock Purdy, where people are like, oh, yeah, he's little or he's smaller. He can't throw the ball as far. Turn on the tape. This dude's throwing an explosive to me is more than 15 yards, you know, from the line of scrimmage. That's what he's doing.
Starting point is 00:29:12 I mean, if you're watching our TV show and we show some of these highlights, you watch these throws to Cortland Sutton. He had three or four big-time downfield throws. He moves, except. exceptionally well. He can throw it across his body. I mean, I think Cortland Sutton's a clear number one. Good tied-in play.
Starting point is 00:29:30 I don't know. When I watched Denver, I mean, we all know coaching matters. They're getting great coordinator play on defense. Great head coaching play. You know, that's a division rivalry game. We just saw Washington lose it home to Dallas. We just saw Cleveland beat Pittsburgh. You can say it's the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:29:49 These division rivalry games, you can't fool anybody in all your personnel. Pretty exciting times. Urban Meyer around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?
Starting point is 00:30:05 Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
Starting point is 00:30:18 But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come? up with a name hey Jonas guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?
Starting point is 00:30:39 Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:30:57 or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
Starting point is 00:31:12 This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:31:32 What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves.
Starting point is 00:31:51 I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.
Starting point is 00:32:10 And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time.
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Starting point is 00:33:39 available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny, Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell.
Starting point is 00:34:09 They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see.
Starting point is 00:34:25 There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Boy, he's a three-time national champion. Couple at Florida, one at Ohio State. Highest winning percentage, 83 and 9 for the Buckeyes. It's hard to wrap your brain around that. Fox Sports College Football analyst won everywhere he went very quickly. So I had joked all year. I said, you know, Ohio State was the whack-a-mole program. Every time I fell in love with them, I didn't like their defense.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Then I didn't like their run. Every time I watched them, I'm like, okay, now Will Howard drives me. me nuts. And then I watched them this weekend. I was like, okay, that team can win a national championship. I knew they had better players, but were you a little surprised that their defense just suffocated Indiana? I mean, it was uncomfortable. They couldn't move the ball. Yeah, we were obviously there. And in pregame warm-ups, you know, I got a chance to walk around a little bit. And there was a big discrepancy just in talent. You know, Indiana took the ball and drove at seven yards and a great drive to score the opening touchdown.
Starting point is 00:35:52 And I looked up at the scoreboard in the beginning of the fourth quarter, and they only had 90 yards. So for three quarters, they had 20 yards. And, yeah, the offense line got really beat badly. Jen Knowles did a really good job, and even Coach Signetti said the noise was an issue. You think this is really unbelievable, Colin, when you look at it, 44 other players were basically unrecruited out of high school.
Starting point is 00:36:19 They brought 13 players from James Madison. So there's two things there. Number one, what a job by the Signetti and that coaching staff and those players. But the reality is they've never been in a arena like that and that base of those kind of players. It didn't bother me at all. Listen, Indiana, and Signetti is trying to boost up his team's confidence. He got a little chatty. It didn't bother me at all what Will Howard did.
Starting point is 00:36:43 It's like, folks, it's three seconds. You know, these kids have a right. It's hard. Did this thing bother you at all, the little move by Will Howard? I really don't like that stuff, but does it bother me? No, I don't care. You know, whatever our players did it, I just, the old adage, and maybe this is old school, act like you've been there.
Starting point is 00:37:05 But no, Ohio State just gets hammered nonstop by the media. Will Howard's been hammered. And players, to have a little fun, go have it. But to answer your question, at times, I just wish you. you'll hug your teammates and go play. Now it's Michigan. Michigan sent 15 guys to the pros. They've got a great down-lineman.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Graham's a monster interior D-Lyman best in the country. They've got a great corner in Will Johnson. Those are really top six, seven players. They're great players. I don't remember every matchup with Michigan. You went in as a favorite several times. Do you worry at all coming off an emotional Indiana game that you're a massive favorite in your rivalry game?
Starting point is 00:37:48 I'd like to be a favorite. I don't know if I want to be a three touchdown favorite. What do you make of that as a former Buckeye great? Well, we have a podcast, and we on the triple option, and we also have the Fox. And I just said some notes that we were actually ranked or picked by three scores one time. And it was a close game, closer than three scores. So the minute someone says the Wolverines have bad players, you're out of your mind.
Starting point is 00:38:14 They've got excellent players, like you just said, that they've had some quarterback issues. But quarterback can get fixed in a game. So I guarantee you there's too much respect in that locker in Ohio State. I know the coaching staff, they're going to be just don't read anything. You just work your tail off and find a way to win this game. So regardless what the media says, points spread, it doesn't matter. Okay, you and I know Kalin DeBore is a great coach. That goes without saying.
Starting point is 00:38:44 We also know Alabama is a great program. I don't even know what I watched in Norman, Oklahoma. Brett Venables had the, that was a perfect game plan. I mean, Venables, Oklahoma was out of this world good. Go to your first year to school. You're taking over for Sabin. You have a different culture. Jalen Milro, I like him, but boy, when he's off, he's off.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Can we just say it's this? Their quarterback is inconsistent. And when he's bad, that's what they look like. Is it easy to, is that? You know, when Coach DeVore took the job, I've actually talked to him a few times, excellent coach, obviously a great guy, but that's a tough job.
Starting point is 00:39:29 When I took over for Ron Zuck, I would still hear about Spurter several times a week. We don't feel like Spurter does it. And it was, I mean, it just became overwhelming at times. And he's taken over immediately after, so I can only imagine what he's going through. So here's the thing, Alan, you know, LSU, Alabama, Home Miss, A&M, I believe. What happens now to these teams that were picked, and they have the players in the NIL to win a national title,
Starting point is 00:40:02 and that becomes out of reach? Do the players start cash in it in? You know, remember when the players started opting out of bowl games? Yeah. You know, that's one of the things I'm anxious to see. If one of these blue bloods or a couple of these blue bloods get officially, out of the playoff, what happens to them? Do they really go to the citrus bowl or do they really go to and play? Will their agents let them play? I'm anxious to see what happens here
Starting point is 00:40:27 in the next couple weeks. You know, it's interesting. I think there's four or five schools in the country that recruit at a different level. Ohio State, Clemson doesn't, and Michigan doesn't always, although Hardball was great. But in my lifetime, LSU, Ohio State, Georgia, and whenever Texas has the right coach. You guys just look different. Georgia's in that. To LSU, when they have the right coach, can look different. Then there's a bunch of teams that recruit good players.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Oregon out west, Phil Knight, they've been winning football games, Urban, for a long time, and they're as fast as anybody, including Ohio State. I mean, they got California speed everywhere, everywhere. But when I watch Oregon, and I love it. Lannning, Ohio State and Texas looked like they got more big bodies. Am I undervaluing Oregon, or do you look at Oregon
Starting point is 00:41:22 and think, no, I watched them play Ohio State, they got the same level of players. What do you make of Oregon? I got a little more intel than that because I went out to spring practice and watched them. It's been a day and a half with them, their staff, and one of the best coaching staffs I've ever watched
Starting point is 00:41:38 work. I thought Oregon was a Pac-12 type team. You know, Pac-12, meaning they have elite speed, but they're just not physical. They don't have the big bodies, like you said, on the offense and the defense line. But I don't want to say that surprised because I knew they had good team, but they looked apart. When you walked Indiana and Ohio State, it did look right. It did look the same, which obviously it doesn't. On the same way about Texas, Georgia, even Alabama. But if Ohio State wins this week and they play Oregon in the Big Ten championship, if you get a chance
Starting point is 00:42:14 go walk on the field if you're there and you'll see they look they're very summer looking team yeah yeah um you know finally i'm watching brian kelly struggle and lincoln riley and i had this conversation and and by the way colorado this weekend looked good and just did not play well and i said you know i am for the 12th team playoff the transfer portal the nil but i could imagine how hard it would be with a transfer portal to coach hard i mean if a kid doesn't play it's like i'm going to go across the street And I'm like, even in the NFL, there's like a free agency period. You just can't.
Starting point is 00:42:50 And I look at Brian Kelly, who we both know is a great coach. Lincoln's a good coach. Do you think it's, you know, half of me thinks it's easier a coach today because if you have a bad corner situation, you can go buy two of them. But the NIL, the transfer portal, is that somewhat to blame for what's happening in LSU and maybe USC or what do you make of that whole culture? Well, the transfer portal when I first started coaching was something called junior college transfers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:21 And you would go out and Bill Schneider was legendary at doing it. I was always on staff, so very leery of doing it. If players are leaving programs, they're usually a junior college player. Not all the time, but, you know, first they might have been under-recruited, underdeveloped, or they had some kind of issue and they had to leave a school. So you're taking all these people from other schools and you only get them for six months. months, nine months, maybe 12 months, is it really conducive to building a culture? And I never thought, I never did it.
Starting point is 00:43:51 I didn't coach in the transfer portal era. But I did in the JC era. We picked maybe one or two every other year. And I'd rather get that 17-year-old and just saturate them with our culture, our belief system, the way we work, get to know your teammates, I'm a big believer in the Brotherhood. And I think it's a much different era now. I would be extremely uncomfortable turn it over 40, 45 guys, even 30. I can't even imagine what that's like, but teams are doing it.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Yeah, it is tough. Well, you guys are doing a great job. Ohio State, I got, so, you know, I'm wrong a lot, but I had Ohio State losing to Oregon and Opson, and then beating them later in the playoff and facing Texas and the national championship, and I think that game will come down to turnovers and, you know, just strategy, and it'll be close. if you had to guess today
Starting point is 00:44:44 I think Texas Ohio State looked like the best teams I've seen is that sound about right to you what you've seen before the Georgia started having the quarterback issues I had Texas Georgia and Ohio State is the best rosters and Oregon
Starting point is 00:45:00 weight below right behind it but you know Georgia just the turnover I've never seen a fall from you know Carson Beck being a projected first rounder and this once again it's The receiver, it was just, it's been a mess as far as turnovers. But Georgia's right there as well, as far as talent.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Yeah, in any one-game spot, watch out for Georgia. They can get after you. Great senior coach is always. Urban Meyer. Thanks, man. Thanks, Colin. You bet. Yeah, I can think two things at once.
Starting point is 00:45:32 I like the transfer portal. I like the NIL, and I love the playoff. But I do think the transfer portal makes it really hard. It's hard to build a culture because you're generally taken over a program. Like when Lincoln Riley took over USC, they had like 30 Division I players that they wanted. Like they didn't want 50 guys in the right. They just didn't think they were good enough. And they weren't.
Starting point is 00:45:53 They weren't very good. So what are you going to do? I mean, you want to win, right? To get Caleb Williams and Jordan Addison, they're not going to join a bunch of freshmen. They want to win. I mean, Caleb Williams, like, why would I want to, I just stay at Oklahoma? Why would I want to go to USC if you're just doing all high school recruits? I don't want to get my brain speed in.
Starting point is 00:46:10 So you go to the transfer portal. and we'll go get good players. We got Jordan Addison, we got this left tackle from Virginia. So, like, you're kind of seduced by it. And in the south with Brian Kelly, LSU fans are not going to wait for you to slow build the program back up. Yeah, come back in three years and Baton Rouge will wait. So it's very seductive. You want to get good fast.
Starting point is 00:46:31 And I think LSU and USC are now kind of, they've taken a step back, deep breath, and kind of, you want to build through the high school program. and if you could add like a half dozen a corner, you know, a really good right tackle, a pass rusher. Like I get that. But I still contend that 75% of your class to build a culture should be high school kids. And now you're going to have to pay some of them. Everybody's getting something.
Starting point is 00:46:58 But, you know, Brian Kelly has been good his whole career. Why is it so rocky? Well, it's the SEC. I watched his Notre Dame team go toe to toe with Georgia twice. He can coach. He's won everywhere. So, all right, Jay Mack. Urban Meyer, Eric Mangini,
Starting point is 00:47:14 whose name has been mentioned in the jet search. And Matt Hasselbeck. Good Monday. Bolts Ravens tonight. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.
Starting point is 00:47:27 And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.
Starting point is 00:47:38 We get to ask other people questions, because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.
Starting point is 00:47:51 We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Joey Dardano. And on my new podcast, Hope From a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, and recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to me. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite Wednesdays on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family
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Starting point is 00:49:13 There's a fire coming to this country and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was finally. You just understood.
Starting point is 00:49:39 That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis coming to, he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love.
Starting point is 00:49:45 This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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