The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Sean Payton is doing it right
Episode Date: November 25, 2024Thoughts on the progress of Broncos QB Bo Nix thanks to HC Sean Payton The Jets have good players but they need to find the right coach Colin discusses Ohio State easily beating Indiana on Saturday ... Guests: Eric Mangini, Urban MeyerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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And with that, Eric Mangini, who is, by the way, he was just named as a candidate for the Jets.
I'll get to that in a second.
Let's just start with this.
I have always thought, if you look at the teams right now, the front office of the bills,
really good, Chiefs, really good, lions, really good, Eagles, Howie Roseman, that we tend to because we don't see them much.
I saw a three-second shot of Howie Roseman.
I see the coach, the quarterback, the pass rusher.
You've worked in this league.
I mean, the Jets and the Giants are a prime example.
Howie Roseman is a risk-taker in the off-season.
Trade deadline.
Making moves.
I mean, I look at Philadelphia.
Their story to me is as much Howie Roseman as it is Siriani.
When you were in this league, how was Philadelphia viewed?
Well, you make a great point about Philadelphia.
I thought they did a really good job this off-season going and addressing the problems that they had.
They had a problem in the secondary.
They went out and addressed the secondary.
They take chances that other teams won't.
They'll move on from head coaches earlier than other teams will.
They'll look at poor decisions and they'll cut their losses.
It's hard to do because oftentimes public opinion and the pressure from the outside
and even ownership to some degree pushes you in one direction.
But I think the things that the Eagles have been able to do successfully and consistently
is buck that and be willing to go with what they believe in,
and sometimes that's signing a guy earlier than other teams would.
But they've consistently gone with the things that they believe in
with conviction, and they've addressed problems and needs proactively
and without concern about whether or not public opinion is going to agree with them.
Let me ask you, again, it looks obvious now.
did you think Sequin would be this much of a game changer?
He even looks faster.
The screen game has been upgraded.
The run game has been upgraded.
Did you think it would look this good?
No, I didn't think it would look this good by any stretch of the imagination,
and especially considering the way that Philadelphia finished last season,
but Philadelphia has improved a lot of things.
And Sequin is a big part of that.
Not only what he brings from a performance standpoint,
but he's like a cup of coffee for that organization,
the attitude, the energy, the enthusiasm.
I think there's an element of that that's been very contagious as well.
I did not expect him to have this type of season, this type of impact.
I thought it would be very good, but not as good as he's been.
Yeah.
So we were talking about this.
Sean Payton's obviously a good coach.
And Sean, you know, he'll lead with his chin.
and he said something about Nat Hackett.
Well, he was right, and he's been proven right.
But when I watch Bo Nix, it's not just, I think we both thought,
Bo and with 61 college starts, he's an older kid, and Sean, I mean, they had Cortland Sutton,
they had Mims, they had decent tight ends, good runs.
I think we both thought it would look, it could be better than most of the other young
quarterbacks with a defensive coach.
I'm shocked by how aggressive Bo Nix is.
Eric, it's down the field.
It's Cortland Sutton.
A lot of times young quarterbacks, it's a lot of dink and done stuff.
You know, it's a 30, it's 70% of the playbook.
This kid, if you didn't know better, he looks like a nine-year veteran in the league.
Again, are you surprised how good it's gotten how quickly for Bonex?
Yeah, it didn't start very good.
And to Sean's credit, Sean was very aggressive with him even early on, even in the preseason.
He threw a lot of passes.
He put him in a lot of positions where he could either succeed or fail early on.
And it wasn't like he was spoon-feeding him and just kind of slowly push him along.
It seemed like he threw him into the fire.
He gave him a lot of responsibility.
And early on, it was tough.
And it's going to be tough for any of these young guys.
But as it's gone on, it consistently gets better.
And you do have the advantage of a guy like Sean with his experience.
tutoring them and nurturing them.
And then you've got an older quarterback, a more mature quarterback,
being able to absorb a system that's not easy.
There's a lot of complex elements to it.
But if you're cerebral and you work hard and you work consistently,
you can start figuring out coverages.
You can start figuring out protections.
Things come easier as a season goes on.
And a guy like Bo Nix, you're seeing the jumps each week.
So your name came out for the Jets opening.
first of all have a comment on that
what do you have Diana Rusini
came out with it
will you acknowledge it
I haven't talked to you about this yet
what do you make of the report
well it would
it would make sense Colin
because I just sold my house in New Jersey
so that's simply how the NFL works
is once you sell property
then you get an opportunity
you know once you buy property
then you get fired
you know I think it was just part
of an article I
obviously am not lobbying
for the job but I feel pretty good
about what I did while I was there.
I mean, we just had three of those guys that I coached going to the Jets Ring of Honor,
and I think we were a smart, disciplined, tough team.
I didn't realize they were getting the band back together, bringing Tannenbaum in.
But it's, you know, it's like any other situation,
there's a lot of things that you can do with an organization from a vision
and principal standpoint, and I feel good about what I did when I did when I'm.
I was there.
Yeah, I mean, by the way, I still contend they have good players.
I think they have the best corners in the league.
I like their back.
I like Garrett Wilson.
I like their O-line needs work, but I like their players.
Do you?
Colin, I thought they were going to go, I thought they were going to win the division.
I thought they were going to win it last year before Aaron got hurt, and then I thought
they were going to win it this year.
Look, I went through this with Brett, and we were eight and three until Brett got hurt,
and I thought it was going to be a similar trajectory with Aaron Rogers.
and it should be a similar trajectory that you've got,
look, he's not what he used to be,
but he should make everybody around him better
because of the things that he can do.
And he took over for a situation
that was arguably as bad as any situational league
from a quarterback perspective.
So naturally you thought there'd be a jump there.
Yeah.
You know, it's interesting.
I'd said this earlier, Eric Mangini joining us,
Harbaugh, Bull.
You know Jim.
I don't know John.
I know Jim.
I really have fondness for him.
I think initially, you know, everybody, you know, you were, you were a man genius.
Everybody gets a nickname.
Everybody, you know, and Jim's an intense different personality, so people didn't know what to make of him.
And now I think everybody has a real affection for him.
I think people really like Jim.
I don't know if you know John at all, but I want you to take our audience, because you worked
with Jim. His ability
to build a culture. Let's get out of the
wind's losses because he does that everywhere.
But his ability to build a culture.
Explain it to our audience because
there's a Bill Parcell's thing going on.
There's an Urban Meyer. It's one thing to build a culture.
He does it in six months.
Everywhere he goes. Now, the roster's not
complete yet, and it took several years for Michigan's
roster to get complete. But explain the culture, Bill.
So with Jim, and I've said this before, there's an authenticity where what you see with Jim is who he is.
And when he says he loves football, he loves football, and he wants to, you know, when he meets his end, hopefully he'll be coaching.
That's his perspective.
And there's the love of the X and O part.
And he'll grind like any coach that I've been around.
And we were in the meetings for hours trying to figure out,
was best but then there's also a a sincerity to the relationships that he has with his
coaches and players i remember he recognizes everybody's birthday and he writes a long card about you
on your birthday and and that may seem like like a really minor thing but there's not there's not
a lot of time the day to do things like that but it's it's thoughtful things like that for the
people that are around him that endear him to that
to the group and
you know
the way that he
embraces families and allows them to
come into the building there's so many things
that are outside of football
but yet help build
the culture within the building
around football that Jim does
naturally by who he is
yeah
Eric Mangini
well I don't need to
press you on the Jets
I mean if they called you
would you pick the phone up
yeah of course I were
pick the phone up. Well, because you don't pick it up
when I call you, so I just wondering.
You know, it's funny
because every week I look for
that call and it never comes through. You must be
coming from an unavailable number.
It's one of those Samsung phones. It doesn't work
on planes or calling Eric Mancini.
That doesn't quite, yeah.
I'm hopeful, maybe this week.
All right. Good seeing you, Coach.
Good seeing you, Colin. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that
far of year. They were eight and three in rolling.
And then, you know,
injuries. So, you know, when I'm
around the building, I always look to these former coaches and players and just try to get as much
info as I can.
He's got some really good stories about working for Woody Johnson.
I'll just leave that there.
Woody May say, you know what?
Rex Ryan and Eric Mangini, I know him.
My prediction, I have not talked to him.
I don't text Manjini.
He would turn that down in a heartbeat.
Working for Woody Johnson?
Well, it's a lot of money.
The guy's crazy.
He tried to bench the starting quarterback in week four this year.
are you kidding me who's going to want to work for this guy he came in two weeks ago and said i want
this safety chuck clark benched what is that that's not normal you can't work for someone like
that unless he accepts an ambassadorship thanks to the new president overseas well then it's like
oh wait a minute that's what james dolin did for the nix he was a meddler and then he built the
sphere for like two years he disappeared and the nicks built a legitimate front office
and the nicks now are a very well-run organization nobody's taking that job unless
what he's overseas.
Out of the picture.
London's a five-hour flight away.
Can't come back.
London's a beautiful city.
That's my favorite city in the world.
Over New York?
Yes.
Chicago's my second.
Oh, stop it.
It is.
Paris?
Yeah.
Chicago or Paris?
No. London or Chicago.
You got to see the more of the world then, buddy.
Well, Florence, Italy is the...
But that's not...
It's small.
That's like a small town.
Florence isn't very big big.
I haven't been there, so.
Soon, though.
The Great Walking City.
We're planning vacations.
How about Madrid?
Haven't been there either.
All right. Get out more.
Take one of those games off.
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All right, let's dig into the big game tonight.
Justin Herbert leading the Chargers against the Ravens.
LA is 7 and 3 their best start since 2018.
According to offensive tackle, Ray Sean Slater,
Herbert has definitely been a leader in helping create a good culture,
adding, I love that he's been more animated.
Whenever we see him have that energy, he's very infectious.
It's almost like the quarterback is feeding off the coach.
and that positive energy.
I know that sounds very nerdy for football people,
but it's like that stuff matters, I think.
I really does.
This is the best defense in the league.
Last year, same players' worst defense in the league.
Think coaching matters?
Jesse Minter?
I mean, Sean Payton Bownecks?
Like, you're seeing,
you are seeing great coaching in the NFL.
Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh.
Like, just all you got,
you don't have to change the roster,
add a couple pieces,
and get the right staff in there.
Minter spent, I believe, three seasons in Baltimore on that staff.
So now you have a lot of familiarity with this Chargers staff.
And I'm not going to lie.
I'm rooting Chargers tonight.
Are you rooting?
Do you root for teams or not really?
It's hard to root against Baltimore because I really respect how the business is run.
But all my friends are with the Chargers.
So I have more proximity.
I have more people I know inside the Chargers than any organization in the NFL.
So it's hard for me not to want to see the Chargers win.
And it's one of those, you know, if Lamar loses this game, Colin, and they fall up to seven and five.
What does this mean?
You loot for storylines.
Oh, okay.
I mean, if the Chargers lose, it's not the end of the world.
They've exceeded expectations.
True.
If the Ravens lose.
And Lamar's great.
And they just can't stop them.
What does it mean?
Lamar's no good?
No.
I mean, I'd like to see him win a big game.
When I say that on air and all these ravens, they say, oh, what do you mean?
Joe Burrow, Week 7 or whatever.
None of these wins on.
Thursday and Monday and Sunday have been big games.
The big one on the schedule before the season was clearly at the Chargers.
No, no. The big one was the Kansas City Chiefs to open the season, and they lost.
By a toe.
And then they peeled off a bunch of wins, and now they've been struggling a little.
I just, I don't feel as good about the Ravens now as I did like a month ago.
I don't either, but it's their defense. It's not their offense. I don't feel good about their defense.
Did the offense look good against Pittsburgh?
Well, whose offense looks good against Pittsburgh?
I would say the jet.
Oh, no, not the Jets.
Nobody's played well.
The Chargers couldn't move the ball against the Steelers.
No, I think they were down some dudes that day.
They were.
Herbert was banged up, but it's like, it's okay if you're, it's like saying a defense is no good because they can't stop the lions.
Who's stopping the lions?
Nobody.
The Colts actually yesterday, that's about as valiant.
They slowed them down.
They slowed them down.
And they had their opportunities to win that league.
Yeah.
Next up is, this was a big upset yesterday.
The Titans, kind of a stunner over the Texans.
mistake-filled day for C.J. Stroud. There's been a lot of those this season.
He had two interceptions, sacked four times in the second half, including a running out of the
back of the end zone on the final drive of the game to take a safety. That ended things.
Stroud unhappy with his performance.
It's a little secret. I mean, I haven't been playing well personally from my standard.
I have a couple of good drives for good plays here, but it's just up and down, up right now.
So it starts with practice, and then it comes to the game, staying focused.
I mean, I've been focused.
I watch as much film as anybody, and it's just sometimes it doesn't go your way.
And, you know, I've got to be harder on myself and, you know, realize that, you know,
games can't come down and me making plays.
And, you know, I didn't make enough.
And I gave up the ball twice today.
He'll be fine.
Bad O line.
They should have gotten an offensive lineman, not another receiver.
He's fine.
You can see it.
He's totally rushing it.
And by the way, Tennessee's defensive front's pretty good.
So he is just letting go with the ball a second early.
can see it. He's not comfortable. I still think he's
really good. Throwing to Nico Collins, he's
fine. Other than that, and the Joe Mixen Run
game non-existent, 22 yards on
I think like 14 carries.
Zach came up with some good stats here.
Houston had 13 drives.
They had 12 first downs and
11 penalties. Colin, that is
not the mark of a playoff team. Now, they're
lucky that the Colts lost,
the Jags are a dumpster fire, and nobody's
going to catch them in that division.
But I don't, right now,
Houston does not look like a team that's going to win a
playoff game. Well, no, but
um,
I, it's, I
the only thing
I know, I only think there's four teams that can win
the Super Bowl. That's it? Your Super Bowl
bubbles, four teams?
That can win it. My Super Bowl bubble also
includes other teams.
Are the Denver Broncos one of the four?
They're not in the bubble. I had to ask. I should do the
bubble tomorrow. Fired up?
I like to pop a good bubble.
See what I did there? No.
No. Okay. Yeah. Anyways. Final story is college
football. Poor Colorado, the fake ID, you know, just as you had to back off their fake ID stuff,
oof, big loss Saturday. Gave up 520 yards and lost to Kansas. After the game, Dion Sanders
called out his team for thinking too highly of themselves. We start smelling ourselves a little bit.
That's what I just told our team. We got intoxicated with the success. We got intoxicated with the
multitude of articles and the assumption that we're this and the assumption that we're that.
and we did not play
CU football.
Therefore, we got our butts kick.
It is what it is.
Well, Kansas is well coached.
So, in fairness to Kansas, they're well coached.
They've knocked off some teams last couple of years.
But, yeah, I mean, I like that Dion can acknowledge it.
Because I do think there's a lot of stake here beyond Sizzle.
I think they've proven they can play real big boy football.
But, you know, Kansas,
Kansas, since they got Leopold,
they've been winning all the games.
I think they're okay.
You get drunk on your own success a lot?
No.
I go home and grind.
I'm a mason at home.
I wish people would just stop writing about how great our show is.
Yeah, I get tired of that.
I start getting in my head about it.
It's like, come up, can you guys lay off?
No kidding.
Don't gas us up.
No kidding.
Feel the same way.
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Who would?
Who would?
Yeah, okay, here we go.
Kansas beat BYU and Colorado back-to-back-to-back weeks.
They're really, really well coached.
So I don't think that's a...
Or that conference is just mediocre.
Well, that, that too.
It's a little out there.
BYU's fraudulent.
Oh, my God.
Well, I mean, everybody's...
I mean, listen, everybody owes bangs on the SEC.
I'll talk to Urban Meyer, but I still think the SEC's got more NFL bodies.
The games look different.
Outside Ohio State.
Ohio State's great.
Oregon's really, really good.
And then there's...
You know, SEC looks like they got good teams to me.
You know, I'm sitting there watching all these games yesterday.
and I was talking about the Chicago Bears is that I've always found this kind of funny when fans are like,
you always root for your team to win.
And I'm like, no, when Peyton Manning didn't come back and they were able to draft Andrew Locke, that was a win.
When Cleveland was like intentionally soft tanking to get LeBron James, that's a win.
There are times, like the way Chicago lost yesterday, and I'm like, the coaching was bad again,
and Caleb was great.
So you're going to get a better draft pick.
there's going to be no doubt coaching has to be replaced and Caleb clearly this is a star
that's the way to do it now now it's different for a you know so i think yesterday for chicago
you would rather they win but this is a fourth place team i mean Minnesota and green bay and
Detroit are ahead of Chicago in terms of coaching and quarterbacking they're on schedule and we all
knew coming into this year we all knew coming into this year that iber flus was on the hot seat he was
the only coach, Mike McCarthy
a little, but I mean, Iber Fluse
was the only coach in the hot seat week one.
And then they beat
Tennessee, and everybody's like, oh,
it's good. They shouldn't have beaten Tennessee. That was a
Will Levis mistake. So, I
looked at this. Caleb looked great.
Keenan Allen,
DJ Moore. I mean, they got good players.
Look at that throw. And Iber Fluse
and the staff, it's a circus.
Special teams are a circus.
So I thought that was about as good as it goes.
Denver's different.
Denver does have the right coach.
Denver doesn't have the perfect personnel.
But, you know, it's funny, if you look at the AFC playoff picture, Denver, if they beat Cleveland next, I think Denver's a playoff team.
Miami may be a better football.
If they played tomorrow, I'm not sure who I'd like.
I think if Denver played Miami tomorrow, whoever's at home would win, because I think Miami's playing really well right now.
but Matt Hasselbeck, I mean, I watch Bo Nix and Sean Payton and Cortland Sutton and those running backs and that old line,
I think Denver could win a playoff game.
I don't think they could win a couple.
I think they can win a playoff game.
Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier.
He doesn't take sacks.
He doesn't turn the ball over.
Helps the defense.
It's complimentary.
You mentioned the 60-something starts in college.
That matters.
It also matters that Sean Payton's the guy.
He's a Parcell's guy.
He's got a foundation.
He's got in terms of like an identity.
and a formula that works.
Now, that's a team that's playing really good football.
That's a quarterback that's playing confident.
And much like Brock Purdy, where people are like,
oh, yeah, he's little or he's smaller.
He can't throw the ball as far.
Turn on the tape.
This dude's throwing an explosive to me is more than 15 yards,
you know, from the line of scrimmage.
That's what he's doing.
I mean, if you're watching our TV show and we show some of these highlights,
you watch these throws to Cortland Sutton.
He had three or four big-time downfield throws.
He moves, except.
exceptionally well.
He can throw it across his body.
I mean, I think Cortland Sutton's a clear number one.
Good tied-in play.
I don't know.
When I watched Denver, I mean, we all know coaching matters.
They're getting great coordinator play on defense.
Great head coaching play.
You know, that's a division rivalry game.
We just saw Washington lose it home to Dallas.
We just saw Cleveland beat Pittsburgh.
You can say it's the Raiders.
These division rivalry games, you can't fool anybody in all your personnel.
Pretty exciting times.
Urban Meyer around the corner.
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Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what?
We have some big news.
What's the news, name?
Huge news.
We created our own podcast called,
Hey, Jonas.
We invented a podcast?
Well, we didn't invent it.
We just contributed to a...
We're the first people to do podcasts.
Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
But this one's extra special.
So how do we actually come?
up with a name hey Jonas guys.
I honestly don't remember.
I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.
Before Jonas Brothers was...
This is how you guys remember it going down?
Yes.
I have a very different memory of this.
We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,
where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.
And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,
and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
But thanks for remembering that, guys.
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What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.
And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game
is about defying the odds.
Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.
And finding ways to win no matter what.
He's the smartest player to ever play the game.
His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.
And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves.
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We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.
I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series
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And then he has to give us everything he gives us
on the night-to-night basis on offense.
And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,
we dive into some playoff history too.
Steve Nash would get that thing.
That man, hell get the flying.
He running up the court, licking his fingers,
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after you go through a training camp with that, I said,
you figure it out real quick.
Get your ass up and down the court,
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You ladies know what I mean.
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I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be.
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This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest.
Sorry, our first ever human guest.
I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot.
I'd be too nervous.
That's right.
The very funny, Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean,
for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell.
They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.
What are the nippers?
Very good question.
No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing?
Simple assault.
And it's a play on word, salt?
Maybe not.
I say we invest and we see.
There's only one way to know.
This did not amuse the cops.
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Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes.
I didn't get caught.
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Boy, he's a three-time national champion.
Couple at Florida, one at Ohio State.
Highest winning percentage, 83 and 9 for the Buckeyes.
It's hard to wrap your brain around that.
Fox Sports College Football analyst won everywhere he went very quickly.
So I had joked all year.
I said, you know, Ohio State was the whack-a-mole program.
Every time I fell in love with them, I didn't like their defense.
Then I didn't like their run.
Every time I watched them, I'm like, okay, now Will Howard drives me.
me nuts. And then I watched them this weekend. I was like, okay, that team can win a national
championship. I knew they had better players, but were you a little surprised that their defense
just suffocated Indiana? I mean, it was uncomfortable. They couldn't move the ball. Yeah, we were
obviously there. And in pregame warm-ups, you know, I got a chance to walk around a little bit.
And there was a big discrepancy just in talent. You know, Indiana took the ball and drove at seven yards
and a great drive to score the opening touchdown.
And I looked up at the scoreboard in the beginning of the fourth quarter,
and they only had 90 yards.
So for three quarters, they had 20 yards.
And, yeah, the offense line got really beat badly.
Jen Knowles did a really good job,
and even Coach Signetti said the noise was an issue.
You think this is really unbelievable, Colin, when you look at it,
44 other players were basically unrecruited out of high school.
They brought 13 players from James Madison.
So there's two things there.
Number one, what a job by the Signetti and that coaching staff and those players.
But the reality is they've never been in a arena like that and that base of those kind of players.
It didn't bother me at all.
Listen, Indiana, and Signetti is trying to boost up his team's confidence.
He got a little chatty.
It didn't bother me at all what Will Howard did.
It's like, folks, it's three seconds.
You know, these kids have a right.
It's hard.
Did this thing bother you at all, the little move by Will Howard?
I really don't like that stuff, but does it bother me?
No, I don't care.
You know, whatever our players did it, I just, the old adage,
and maybe this is old school, act like you've been there.
But no, Ohio State just gets hammered nonstop by the media.
Will Howard's been hammered.
And players, to have a little fun, go have it.
But to answer your question, at times, I just wish you.
you'll hug your teammates and go play.
Now it's Michigan.
Michigan sent 15 guys to the pros.
They've got a great down-lineman.
Graham's a monster interior D-Lyman best in the country.
They've got a great corner in Will Johnson.
Those are really top six, seven players.
They're great players.
I don't remember every matchup with Michigan.
You went in as a favorite several times.
Do you worry at all coming off an emotional Indiana game
that you're a massive favorite in your rivalry game?
I'd like to be a favorite.
I don't know if I want to be a three touchdown favorite.
What do you make of that as a former Buckeye great?
Well, we have a podcast, and we on the triple option,
and we also have the Fox.
And I just said some notes that we were actually ranked or picked by three scores one time.
And it was a close game, closer than three scores.
So the minute someone says the Wolverines have bad players, you're out of your mind.
They've got excellent players, like you just said, that they've had some quarterback issues.
But quarterback can get fixed in a game.
So I guarantee you there's too much respect in that locker in Ohio State.
I know the coaching staff, they're going to be just don't read anything.
You just work your tail off and find a way to win this game.
So regardless what the media says, points spread, it doesn't matter.
Okay, you and I know Kalin DeBore is a great coach.
That goes without saying.
We also know Alabama is a great program.
I don't even know what I watched in Norman, Oklahoma.
Brett Venables had the, that was a perfect game plan.
I mean, Venables, Oklahoma was out of this world good.
Go to your first year to school.
You're taking over for Sabin.
You have a different culture.
Jalen Milro, I like him, but boy, when he's off, he's off.
Can we just say it's this?
Their quarterback is inconsistent.
And when he's bad, that's what they look like.
Is it easy to, is that?
You know, when Coach DeVore took the job,
I've actually talked to him a few times,
excellent coach, obviously a great guy,
but that's a tough job.
When I took over for Ron Zuck,
I would still hear about Spurter several times a week.
We don't feel like Spurter does it.
And it was, I mean, it just became overwhelming at times.
And he's taken over immediately after,
so I can only imagine what he's going through.
So here's the thing, Alan, you know, LSU, Alabama, Home Miss, A&M, I believe.
What happens now to these teams that were picked, and they have the players in the NIL to win a national title,
and that becomes out of reach?
Do the players start cash in it in?
You know, remember when the players started opting out of bowl games?
Yeah.
You know, that's one of the things I'm anxious to see.
If one of these blue bloods or a couple of these blue bloods get officially,
out of the playoff, what happens to them? Do they really go to the citrus bowl or do they really
go to and play? Will their agents let them play? I'm anxious to see what happens here
in the next couple weeks. You know, it's interesting. I think there's four or five schools
in the country that recruit at a different level. Ohio State, Clemson doesn't, and Michigan
doesn't always, although Hardball was great. But in my lifetime, LSU, Ohio State, Georgia,
and whenever Texas has the right coach.
You guys just look different.
Georgia's in that.
To LSU, when they have the right coach, can look different.
Then there's a bunch of teams that recruit good players.
Oregon out west, Phil Knight, they've been winning football games, Urban, for a long time,
and they're as fast as anybody, including Ohio State.
I mean, they got California speed everywhere, everywhere.
But when I watch Oregon, and I love it.
Lannning, Ohio State and Texas
looked like they got more big bodies.
Am I undervaluing
Oregon, or do you look at Oregon
and think, no, I watched them play Ohio State,
they got the same level of players.
What do you make of Oregon?
I got a little more intel
than that because I went out to spring practice
and watched them. It's been a day and a half
with them, their staff, and
one of the best coaching staffs I've ever watched
work. I thought
Oregon was a Pac-12 type
team. You know, Pac-12, meaning they have
elite speed, but they're just not physical. They don't have the big bodies, like you said,
on the offense and the defense line. But I don't want to say that surprised because I knew they had
good team, but they looked apart. When you walked Indiana and Ohio State, it did look right.
It did look the same, which obviously it doesn't. On the same way about Texas, Georgia, even Alabama.
But if Ohio State wins this week and they play Oregon in the Big Ten championship, if you get a chance
go walk on the field if you're there and you'll see they look they're very
summer looking team yeah yeah um you know finally i'm watching brian kelly struggle and lincoln riley
and i had this conversation and and by the way colorado this weekend looked good and just
did not play well and i said you know i am for the 12th team playoff the transfer portal the nil
but i could imagine how hard it would be with a transfer portal to coach hard i mean if a kid
doesn't play it's like i'm going to go across the street
And I'm like, even in the NFL, there's like a free agency period.
You just can't.
And I look at Brian Kelly, who we both know is a great coach.
Lincoln's a good coach.
Do you think it's, you know, half of me thinks it's easier a coach today
because if you have a bad corner situation, you can go buy two of them.
But the NIL, the transfer portal, is that somewhat to blame for what's happening in LSU
and maybe USC or what do you make of that whole culture?
Well, the transfer portal when I first started coaching was something called junior college transfers.
Yeah.
And you would go out and Bill Schneider was legendary at doing it.
I was always on staff, so very leery of doing it.
If players are leaving programs, they're usually a junior college player.
Not all the time, but, you know, first they might have been under-recruited, underdeveloped,
or they had some kind of issue and they had to leave a school.
So you're taking all these people from other schools and you only get them for six months.
months, nine months, maybe 12 months, is it really conducive to building a culture?
And I never thought, I never did it.
I didn't coach in the transfer portal era.
But I did in the JC era.
We picked maybe one or two every other year.
And I'd rather get that 17-year-old and just saturate them with our culture, our belief system,
the way we work, get to know your teammates, I'm a big believer in the Brotherhood.
And I think it's a much different era now.
I would be extremely uncomfortable turn it over 40, 45 guys, even 30.
I can't even imagine what that's like, but teams are doing it.
Yeah, it is tough.
Well, you guys are doing a great job.
Ohio State, I got, so, you know, I'm wrong a lot,
but I had Ohio State losing to Oregon and Opson,
and then beating them later in the playoff and facing Texas and the national championship,
and I think that game will come down to turnovers and, you know, just strategy,
and it'll be close.
if you had to guess today
I think Texas Ohio State
looked like the best teams I've seen
is that sound about right to you what you've seen
before the Georgia
started having the quarterback issues
I had Texas Georgia
and Ohio State is the best
rosters and Oregon
weight below right behind it but
you know Georgia just the turnover
I've never seen a fall from
you know Carson Beck being a projected
first rounder
and this once again it's
The receiver, it was just, it's been a mess as far as turnovers.
But Georgia's right there as well, as far as talent.
Yeah, in any one-game spot, watch out for Georgia.
They can get after you.
Great senior coach is always.
Urban Meyer.
Thanks, man.
Thanks, Colin.
You bet.
Yeah, I can think two things at once.
I like the transfer portal.
I like the NIL, and I love the playoff.
But I do think the transfer portal makes it really hard.
It's hard to build a culture because you're generally taken over a program.
Like when Lincoln Riley took over USC, they had like 30 Division I players that they wanted.
Like they didn't want 50 guys in the right.
They just didn't think they were good enough.
And they weren't.
They weren't very good.
So what are you going to do?
I mean, you want to win, right?
To get Caleb Williams and Jordan Addison, they're not going to join a bunch of freshmen.
They want to win.
I mean, Caleb Williams, like, why would I want to, I just stay at Oklahoma?
Why would I want to go to USC if you're just doing all high school recruits?
I don't want to get my brain speed in.
So you go to the transfer portal.
and we'll go get good players.
We got Jordan Addison, we got this left tackle from Virginia.
So, like, you're kind of seduced by it.
And in the south with Brian Kelly, LSU fans are not going to wait for you to slow build the program back up.
Yeah, come back in three years and Baton Rouge will wait.
So it's very seductive.
You want to get good fast.
And I think LSU and USC are now kind of, they've taken a step back, deep breath, and kind of,
you want to build through the high school program.
and if you could add like a half dozen a corner,
you know, a really good right tackle, a pass rusher.
Like I get that.
But I still contend that 75% of your class to build a culture should be high school kids.
And now you're going to have to pay some of them.
Everybody's getting something.
But, you know, Brian Kelly has been good his whole career.
Why is it so rocky?
Well, it's the SEC.
I watched his Notre Dame team go toe to toe with Georgia twice.
He can coach.
He's won everywhere.
So, all right, Jay Mack.
Urban Meyer, Eric Mangini,
whose name has been mentioned in the jet search.
And Matt Hasselbeck.
Good Monday.
Bolts Ravens tonight.
Hey, guys, it's us.
The Jonas Brothers.
I'm Joe.
I'm Kevin.
And I'm Nick.
And guess what?
We created our own podcast called,
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We invented a podcast?
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We're the first people to do podcasts.
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Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an
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Where does your group perform?
We do some retirement homes.
Those people are starving for banter.
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I'm Joey Dardano.
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Sike, I'm a comedian.
I'm not qualified to give good advice.
Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, and recommend some of
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We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season.
And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.
If we didn't talk ever again, I was finally.
You just understood.
That's how personal it got.
Wow.
Then after that game seven,
Marquis coming to,
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you know I love you,
dog.
You know, it's all love.
This was just playoffs.
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