The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Shedeur Sanders and the draft

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Brian Baldinger from the NFL Network joins the show to discuss Colin's mock draft and why Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders deserves more respect for what he accomplished in collegeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He does it better than anybody and really follows the stuff and has had a great post career. Former Cowboy went to Duke, so you know he's smart. Brian Baldinger's joining us live, 13 years in the league. You know, everybody says, well, it's not a great draft. And, like, I'll give you an example. I watch Mason Graham play 15 times. I saw him grab and throw all-conference offensive linemen.

But his ceiling's not this. I don't know what his ceiling is. I know what I watched. So you tell me as an offensive lineman, like Mason Graham, if this was a great draft, would he be middle of the first? Like I just see a wildly productive, super aggressive, strong defensive lineman. That's what my eyes see. What do you see?

He's a great technician. You know, pad level is important in this business. Low man wins. He plays with great pad level. He has great hands. He can stack anybody. You talk about the offensive lineman. He's gone up against, against Ohio State, you know, Penn State, some really wickedly good offensive linemen.

And he stacks and he sheds him and he holds his ground. Yeah. And, you know, you can win. a lot of one-on-ones when you play with great technique and you've got strong hands and all that kind of stuff. So it reminds me of what Leonard Williams was when he came out in this draft and 10 years later, Glennon Williams is playing the best football of his career. But that's what he was coming out of USC column. And that's what he reminds me of right now. Okay, so I want to talk about my staff can get Kelvin Banks ready. So everybody tells me it's not a great offensive line draft.

Again, I watched six Texas games. I watched them when they played great teams. Kelvin Banks was squishing people. So you tell me as an offensive lineman, he's big. The size is indisputable. High school and college dominant. Why isn't he considered great? Well, I think, you know, he's gotten beat.

It's not like he shut everybody out this year. But, you know, he's got dancing bare feet with a big body, long arms, long enough anyways and he's going against the best at Texas A&M and you know the SEC the last few years the best thing to happen in Texas is for them to join the SEC get out of the Big 12 and go up against SEC type defense lineman for a guy like Kelvin Banks it's the best thing to happen to these guys they got really good competition every week going against those schools so you go against Georgia twice in the last two years like you see great defense lineman you can really measure your progress because that kid came in at it you He came in as a five-star recruit and started day one for the longhorns. And then went up the competition two years ago when they went to the SEC. You know, sometimes we, and I've had people tell me this, Colin, don't out-think the room, sometimes the answer is right in front of you. And I said, just think about Shadoor standards if you pass on him. Son of a legend, historically accurate, average 33 a game with no-run game and a bad old line,

and moves well enough. I've seen multiple moments and pictures, Brian, of him standing next to people my size. I'm 6-2190. He's thicker than you think. But shoulder... He's a real... He's a man. He's a big body.

Are we out thinking the room on this kid? Like, we're just picking him apart, and I'm like, I don't know. 74% completion percentage, Brian. Under duress, that's a real number. I can't overlook that. And he can win for you.

from the pocket. That's the business. He doesn't have to leave the pocket. I mean, he wins from the pocket. Now, Pat Sherman was offensive coordinator this year, Colin, and I talked to Pat at Shador's Pro Day in Boulder on April 4th. And he installed Chip Kelly's offense, basically the most simple offense you can have, inside receivers, outside receivers, because that was the best way to move the football because they didn't have a tight end. They had average offense line. They didn't have a good running back. It was Shadour, and four receivers. And they took over a program that won one game

and were the sledge of college football. And they somehow won nine games last year and went to a bowl game. So, like, he's elevated that program, but there's not a lot there. And so he got blitzed a lot. He got Max Blitz a lot, which no quarterbacks in college football get it.

Like, I'm talking about blitz zeros. Send the safeties after Sador. Let's speed him up, see what he does. and he made a lot of big plays. The deeper the ball goes, the more accurate it gets. He's got incredible touch on the deep ball. So tell me in an NFL locker room. The one thing about sometimes in baseball, when you break into a sport like Bryce Harper,

there's a way to play the game. But I've found in the NFL and the NBA, if you got swag, if you can play, guys love it. And I think players will love Travis Hunter. They'll root for him to play both sides of the ball. I mean, would you play them both? What do you make of it? Oh, no, he's unbelievable.

In fact, I was at his pro, you know, he was there catching balls from Shador. And honestly, everybody was there from the NFL, some representative from every team. I think their jaws just dropped. I mean, the guy is indefatigable here, calling it. And I don't mean to use a big word here, but it's the only word I can find. The guy has, he's got Michael Jordan type endurance. He does not fatigue. I don't care at the temperature, the competition, he's the best corner.

plays cornerback the way a thief does. Like he bates the quarterback and he gets him to throw it to where he wants to, then he takes it away from him. And on the other side of the ball, his ability to adjust to a ball in the air is what we see from Garrett Wilson, Devante Adams, some of the great receivers in his game. He's got, he didn't wear any gloves at Chedore's Prod Day. His hands are so good. He doesn't even feel like, now he'll wear gloves in a game, but he catches everything. and you just can't take your eyes off of him. And I'll just say this. We're in the entertainment business, Colin.

The NFL, we're entertainers. You talked about Star Powers at WMBA. That's why we watch. It's the same thing. Any 10-year-old kid that's going to go watch Travis Hunter next year in Cleveland, where he's going, because they fell in love with him that day, they're going to buy a Travis Hunter jersey before he ever puts it on. And they're going to want to play both ways.

He's going to start a trend. It's going to happen. You have to play them both ways. I don't know what the number of snaps are. If it's a hundred a game, but you've got to start him on one side of the ball and play him on the other side in a variety of packages because I just think he's that talented.

Okay, here's somebody I'm a little cool on, Jackson Dart. It reminds me of a little thicker Zach Wilson. Same high school, same body type, same offense. Boy, when you sped the game up for Zach, at BYU, when you speed it up a little for Jackson, he wasn't quite the same. There's a certain comfort level and I watched him several

times. I do think he is an NFL quarterback. I still think Zach is. I think it's, I'm hearing all this top 12, 15 stuff. I don't know, Brian. What's the tape say to you? It's not just the tape. There's an

emotional part to this game where he's just too, like Zach Wilson. Like it's just too frenetic on the sidelines the emotions whether it's tears or whether it's joy like there's not any sort of well I expect it I'm a three year

starter at Mississippi I'm expecting to go beat you know Georgia you know on a Saturday night and he did and he played well in the game and took care of the ball but I just think there's this emotional roller coaster to how he plays and who he is which I don't know if that's

I don't know if it's bad but I know when I see it it can work against him. And I see that from him. And so I don't think he's a top 15 pick. You can talk yourself into it because you can go watch the game against Georgia. You can watch the last game he played against Duke

in the Gator Bowl where he threw for 400 yards, threw four touchdown passes, didn't make a mistake. You could fall in love with him. But I think the Zach Wilson thing is a pretty good comparison right now. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to show you my mock draft. Now, this isn't my mock draft. So what I do, Brian, is I've always said,

if I didn't do this, I'd want to be an NFL GM. It's not going to happen. I know it, but if I didn't do this, I would do that. So this is who I would draft if I was the GMs of this team. Just tell me something that you agree with, and there's something you don't buy. I saw Cam Ward in Miami's Pro Day, and all Tennessee was there, including the reporters, that report from Tennessee, they fell in love with him at the day. That's over. Cleveland, from Jimmy Haslam to Andrew Barry to Kevin Stefansky, they fell in love with

Travis Hunter, he's going to Cleveland. The one thing I'd say, and I don't disagree with Shador going to the Giants. They're working about today, today's Thursday, they're working them out in Boulder today. But if they pass an Abdul Carter, after they passed on Micah Parsons, after you look at the rich history of pass rushers

with the New York Giants, like every giant fan is going to go, if Abdul Carter lights it up, and Shadour sits behind Russell or whatever, they're going to go nuts. They're, like, everybody, the owner's going to fire himself. You know, so that's the only question I have.

Are you going to pass an Abdul and maybe what greatness looks like, especially what could be a giant's uniform, that might be something that they never, ever, wearing number 11, wearing Micah's number, like that might be unforgivable right there. Let me tell one more. I think Ashton Genti works with the Raiders

because I think Gino off play action is actually pretty good. Gino on 3rd and 11, and everybody knows he's throwing, makes mistakes. Gentie played at Boisey State, 5-8, some have said small. Does that, what do you see? I see muscles on top of muscles. He looks like a bodybuilder, but he's agile.

Like, look, Chip Kelly's the offense coordinator with the Raiders. When Chip went to Philadelphia, that was Shady McCoy's two best years. He led to league in rushing in Chip Kelly's first year. He spread you out and played up tempo to run the ball. Like, this is, you're going to get a lot of a college atmosphere office. from Chip Kelly with the Raiders this year, I think Gentie is the perfect chess piece to go play with right now.

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You have no run game. What do you make of that? They have like 100 picks, honestly. Like, they should go trade up to get Ashton Genty. Wow. I played with Tony Dorset. You know, there's been Emmett Smith. There's been Zeeke.

There's been, you know, all kinds of great running backs. In Dallas, they've gone now a couple years once Zeke really started the decline, where it's fallen apart. This is the rich history. history of the Cowboys, you know, is at running back. And you go back to Walt Garrison and Dan Reeves and everybody else that played there. Like, they need a star running back. That's what's been missing from this offense here for the last three or four years.

Brian Baldiger, your great, Baldi, NFL Network is always. Great stuff. Thanks, man. Thanks, Tom. Thought you soon. Yeah, he's so good. Yeah. So he's got the Jackson Dart concerns I do. And listen, I just got a steak dinner two nights ago. from an unnamed source on this. I watch a lot of college football.

You watch a lot of college football. I didn't see a first round guy. Little hit and miss for me. Just not clean enough for me. And I've said this. I like Jalen Millroll so much about Jalen. Jalen's too mechanical to be a star quarterback in the NFL. But I do think you could take him in, right coach.

Some of this stuff, a lot of it is, who do you get? I mean, Jackson Dart goes to the Rams and sits for two years of the McVeigh. then you get a different outcome than him going to the Saints and starting tomorrow. You know, rushing him in when he's not quite ready. Jordan with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Colin, I reported last night that Raiders Star Left tackle, Colton Miller, has not had any contract negotiations with the team. Okay, why does that matter? He's in the final year of his contract with no guaranteed money left on his deal. making 12.3 million next year. Meanwhile, the top half of the offensive tackle markets making more than double that. So you're talking about a premier left tackle

at a premier position. You just paid Gino, you just paid Max, do the right thing if you're Pete Carroll, SpyTech, Brady, now take care of a guy who's really been the anchor of a unit, which has had tremendous turnover. That offensive line has been a disaster, unmitigated last five plus years. There's six positions you've got to pay. Left tackle is arguably second.

100%, man. And if I'm the Raiders, why not send the right message? We talked about the Dolphins yesterday with Chris Greer not sending the right message, for example, when he doesn't pay a Javon Holland or a Robert Hunt or a Kristen Wilkins. Take care of your own. It should be a priority, and I imagine it will be as we move forward. I like Colt Miller. Yeah, so do I.

And if you're going to pay your quarterback, you've got to pay your left tackle. The top 10 tackle. Started. And they're not paying their center or their right tackle for years because they got them last year in the draft. And he started every game last year and was one of the top graded left tackles the last 10, 12 games of the year by PFF. Yeah, so remember, who are they paying? They're paying Gino. They're not paying Brock.

They're not paying their center. They're not paying their right tackle. They're not going to pay a running back they draft. And they're paying. They're paying Max Crosby. They should. And they're paying a quarterback they should. They've got money.

Go, go pay your left tackle. Spot on. Giants GM, Joe Shane, has been getting some last looks at the top prospects in the class. As I've been reporting, he actually, we just said her from Balvey in Boulder today for Shador. There's a perception they're locked in the Giants. Abdul Carter at 3. Colin, I'm not sold yet. Here's what Joe Shane said of the Penn State Pass Rusher.

Everybody watched the Super Bowl, right? Philly rushed with how many? Four, the whole game. He gives you a lot of options. He was a versatile player. He's young, just, you know, he's 21 years old. And, you know, exciting player to watch. But, yeah, you can't. You can't have enough pass rushers. Colin, there is a scenario in which the Giants pass on Carter.

You have Shador Mach there at 3. Everyone seems to assume the Giants are going to go Carter or 3. I'm not necessarily there yet. He visited in New England, which I thought was strategic. they picked four. I don't know what the Giants should do, but I do know that just because you have a really good defensive line, Dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns, Tibodeau,

that doesn't mean you should pass on a potentially generational player in Abdul Carter. Yeah, I mean, it's in this draft, he's your best pass rusher. And again, there's just things in this league that when they're available, you never go wrong getting the best pass rusher in a draft, the best left tackle, the best quarterback, the best weapon, the best center, the best safety.

Like, if you can get the best anything in a draft, I remember a couple years ago when in a draft, the Ravens took a center and a safety. And people are like, wow, in the first round, they're both great player. They're both great players. So if you get the best of any position, Quentin Nelson went. Quentin Nelson is still the best offensive linemen all these years later for the Colts. And that's what we think Gentie is. So if you think he's the best, you should draft him at six.

Just because you maybe think you're overdrafting someone at a position? No, no. If it's the best, you take him. If I'm the Giants, I have to take a really long look at Carter. And I'm just not convinced yet that he is locked in there at three. Former Browns running back, Nick Chubb, has recovered from his gruesome knee injury last year. And here's some proof. Chubb recently posted him squatting 500 pounds on Instagram with the caption.

I already wrote my ending when I'm just getting started. Look at this man. Oh, Colin, here's my thing with Nick Chubb, man. We saw the running back doesn't matter nonsense last year. Go. With Sequin Barclay, with Derek Henry, with Josh Jacobs. They were all sensational. Nick Chub is a proven commodity.

All-Pro, fourth-time Pro Bowler. They're talking about him like he's done, like he's 35. He's 29 years old. I'm not sure. I know he's coming. coming off a major injury. But look at this. This is not normal stuff. Go get him or if you're Cleveland, bring him back. I'm not paying him back. I'm not paying a running back off a major injury. You don't have to pay him. I'm not saying pay him 10 million. I'm saying bring him back if you're Cleveland or if you're someone else, go get him. He's got a number. There's too many good running backs in the draft. There's a number with him.

The Browns need good players. Okay. The Browns need to save money because they overpaid for Deshawn Watson. They need inexpensive labor. Both can be true. Both can be true. Yes. Okay, the 49ers have a lot of decisions to make this offseason. But linebacker, Fred Warner, the all-world linebacker, is not worried. He has a crazy resume, All-Pro, in San Francisco, but is still missing that elusive Super Bowl. Warner's confident that's coming soon.

100%. 100%. You know, my confidence is at an all-time high because I know what I'm capable. of. I know what our locker room is capable of. Our front office, everybody that's involved. We've been to the pinnacle. We just have to overcome that hurdle at the end.

Yeah. He's the best in the business, but this roster is in flux. They're going to have to pay Brock Purdy. I believe that deal gets done this offseason. I believe that number. They have five. Yeah, they have 12 draft picks, and a lot of these guys they left, they didn't want to leave. They didn't want to lose. So let's say

they hit on seven to eight of their draft picks. Two of them need to be on the O' line, two of them need to be in the secondary. They're a fascinating draft team because they're getting really old. I thought they should have made some moves off personnel two years ago. They're getting real old and real brittle and real expensive. This is a huge draft. And it's, you'd rather have a huge draft in a great draft. But they're, I think they need to get a left tackle, a running back. They can stay away from wide receiver. I think they could go. try to go find a backup quarterback, believe it or not,

and a couple of corners of safety, two linebackers. The roster is going to look a lot different. Greenlaw's gone, Funga's gone, Mooney Ward's gone. I mean, there's a lot of pressure on Kyle Shenan, a lot. And I think there's a lot of pressure on Brock Purdy. They also have the kiddle situation. They have IU coming back from injury. Trent Williams, you talked about.

It just feels like this division has shifted from San Francisco to the Rams in a significant way. Rams books are much cleaner. They're young and inexpensive on defense and super talented. And they got their O line right now. And it outst out of Havenstein, who's pretty expensive for right tackle, it's pretty inexpensive. And they hit on both Fisk and Verse. So they got two terrific. And they hit on Kiron Williams and Puka.

So they have just done them. When you hit stars in fourth and fifth round picks, you have no. that's what Cleveland has to do. If Cleveland goes out and hits on three players in the fourth, fifth, and sixth round, that's how you get out from under a Deshawn Watson contract. When you got, when you have guys, you're not paying for four years. Well, think about what Seattle did when they built their, not dynasty, but two Super Bowles, they won one. Yeah. KJ. Wright, Bobby Wagner, Pam Chancellor, Richard Sherman. These were third, fourth, fifth rounders. Okay, so Russell,

and third rounder. That's how you build. So Cleveland, that's a lot of pressure. You mentioned them. I think this is a massive draft for San Francisco. I think they have the most picks in the draft with 12. So lots of do. Jordan with the news.

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on the iHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts presented by capital one founding partner of iHeart women's sports so this is really interesting Aaron Rogers was on the other place today um over to sbn and he said a couple of things he said is said I'm open to and attached to nothing. So, yeah, retirement's a possibility. He said he's not waiting on the Vikings. That's been widely reported and feels like a pretty good fit. He said, right now the focus is on his non-football life, very on brand.

So he's not waiting on the Vikings. This is interesting. Aaron is not a fan of the new Jets regime. He said when he went, flew cross-country to meet with head coach Aaron Glenn, Glenn quickly left the room to get the GM. Rogers expected a long conversation. He'd flown cross-country. The new GM said, you sure you want to play football?

Aaron said, I'm interested. And the GM said, yeah, we're going a different direction. In, out, not interested. And I was told this, I had this sourced that it wasn't Aaron the quarterback as much as Aaron the guy. They just didn't think it was what they wanted to build around. I was told that by somebody I trust. So it is surprising. I will say this.

Saying he's not waiting on the Vikings goes against what is being widely reported. He said he would play for $10 million. What's the point? I guess it's a contradiction. So he's thinking about non-football, not football. but he would play for $10 million when you're worth $300 million. That's weird to me. Like, are you into it or not?

So, again, with Aaron, you get a lot of mixed signals. He'll play for nothing, but he doesn't care right now a ton about football, and he just didn't like the way the Jets treated him. But again, how the Jets treated him is how the Packers treated him at the end. So if you work for two big corporations, and at the end, it kind of ends poorly, and they both treat the same, maybe it's not them. I'm just going to throw that out there.

Maybe it's not them. So, but he said, you know, some of it's on brand. He's like, I think at this point, Aaron just wants to make sure that he wants to throw a bunch of signals out there. He doesn't want anybody, anything that's been reported, I feel like Aaron's going to refute, but he did not refute how the Jets treated them, which I was told. they just weren't interested in Aaron the quarterback or Aaron the guy. Like they were, it doesn't make him a bad guy, but that's what, I mean, you can respond to that. Like, that's what I was told.

Yeah. Aaron Glenn was not going to come in with his first ever head coaching opportunity, and either was Darren Moody from Denver, and stake their claim in Aaron Rogers. It wasn't against him personally. They wanted and want an entirely new operation. Hence, Justin Fields. Justin Fields isn't a perfect quarterback, but he gives them something that Aaron doesn't have. Mobility, youth, athleticism, they wanted to start fresh, and I still think they can go quarterback in the draft.

It's a two-year deal with an out after one. But Aaron Glenn wanted his stamp, his stamp, on the organization. And at Aaron Rogers, 40, 41 years old, the future Hall of Famer, you're not going to get that. He's going to dictate his terms to you for better or worse. Listen to this. Mike Garofalo, NFL reporter, says, Roger says no deadline from the Steelers. He told the Steelers, if you have to move on, go for it. I don't owe anybody a decision at any point, reiterates.

He's dealing with personal stuff in his inner circle. So, I mean, he's just, for the record, it's very unbrand. I don't think Aaron's trying to fool anybody. This is sort of why Green Bay and the Jets moved off. It's an urgent position, and Aaron's not. very urgent. Right? Like there's certain positions

at this company I work at. We need decisions now. There are other things you can wait until football season arrives. There are certain marketing plans, promotional plans, budgets the company needs to work on in the next

week. Yeah, I remember going back to when Glenn got the job, I was told the same thing, that they weren't going to go the Aaron Rogers direction. But I will say this. For him to fly across the country

and that GM and head coach to treat him like that not great that's not ideal either and that's on brand for the jets as an organization throw that up there yeah no it's fair it's uh... i'm not anti-erran i just think there are certain positions in an organization that are more serious and that you have to get right before worrying about anything else

so to be sort of casual and indifferent is a tough sell to a team like when you got on that plane your aaron you got on that plane and you're in mrs. or wherever he flew, and he flew to New York, I would have, if I cared about staying, really presented a LFG, not a either way. I mean, how do you think that's going to land?

I mean, obviously the Jets had made a decision from the story. Like, they had made a decision on him. But you got to go back to this. Like I always say, when somebody gets divorced and remarried, here's the problem. You know what goes into the next marriage? you. Seventy-five percent of second marriage is in a divorce. Why? Because the divorce person is in the new marriage, and you were part of the problem. Aaron tends to be casual and indifferent to an urgent, absolute position. And so the Jets and Green Bay have surprised him twice. Both times he's been

surprised on, they didn't take his indifference as, um, it was not an exception. acceptable position. Again, if you're a slot corner in year nine, you're a go-either-way special teams gunner. When you're the quarterback, you've got to sell urgency to these teams. If you ask me, Colin, hey, do you want to come co-host with J. Mac out next week or in a couple weeks? Give me a few days. Yeah, I'll let you know on Saturday about Monday. You'd say, take a hike. I'd say, eat a bowl of pasta, come back to be by tomorrow morning. Well, I'm going to eat the pasta either way because you know I'm going to your spot. No, but it's just, it's a very predictable ending.

The jet story now is like, well, that's what Green Bay did. Yeah. Green Bay didn't make you fly cross country, but remember he did the darkness retreat, came out of it. He's like, I was kind of surprised how they treated me. There's just a lack of self-awareness. Aaron, we know what you think you are, but how can you be surprised by the Jets or the Packer? They did the same thing to you. They're like, yeah, bro, this isn't working.

So, again, I... What do you think happens? You think Minnesota's the best fit. Doesn't sound like he's going to be a Viking. Well, Aaron is saying he's not waiting on the Vikings. He has to tell all the people that are, you know, I think that's the best fit. But Aaron is saying, I'm not really waiting on it. So, okay.

If he's not waiting on the Vikings, and he's not telling the Steelers what he wants to do. Well, what he's telling you is he's got some stuff in his inner circle he's working on. Again, bad messaging. If I'm a general manager and owner, the last thing I want is he's got some, personal stuff he's trying keep it to yourself it's like you don't need to say everything you think on social media you don't need to say everything you think when you're still potentially looking for that's why i think he's going to retire i think he's going to retire and i mean and then the the segment he's given me a lot of content tremendous content yeah machine but i but i think sometimes

he you know he tends to be a little prickly and uh uh uh i think at this point Aaron just doesn't want to land anywhere because he doesn't want to validate any media reports. Hey, I'm on the go. I could go either way. Everybody in the world knows that Minnesota is probably the best spot for him. I mean, I've been in this business a long time. The media people that report Minnesota, they're not people that make stuff up. So, I mean, I think Minnesota is not as interested in Aaron, as Aaron's interested in Minnesota.

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