The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Shedeur Sometime

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Colin gives his reasons why he feels Shedeur Sanders will be starting sometime this season, why the Knicks had better hope they had a plan in place before they fired their head coach, reports thatAaron Rodgers was not the Steelers first choice, and more on the NBA Finals.Guest: Chris Broussard See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRedio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. You know, it's interesting about the mandatory mini-camp starts tomorrow. And whether you like Soudoir Sanders or not, just have an opinion. Anybody can be a troll and an expert if you don't have an opinion and come in later. Every year, what I do with the draft is I give you strong opinions on quarterbacks.

I was, I think Cam Ward's going to be really good. Tennessee is going to make the playoffs. And I think Shadour Sanders is a starting quarterback. I'm not into Jackson DART. You know how I feel about all these guys. I'm not going to sit on the sidelines then come pouring in. Last year I was much higher on Bo Nix than everybody else. I was right.

I was high on Sam Darnold. I ended up being right. I thought Jaden Daniels, I kept saying before the draft, he's going to be Lamar Jackson, but better from the pocket. Now, I like Caleb Williams. We don't know how that's going to work out. But I like panics more than that. I did not like J.J. McCarthy.

I think it's a bit of a ruse. I don't, I think he's smaller than you think. I've got surgeries. There's reports by Ross Tucker. There's doubts in the building. I didn't buy it. But just have an opinion. My take on Shadour Sanders is,

despite the fact he had no support from the run game, I think mostly an average coaching staff, a battle line. He was very productive against good teams. And he played from behind, running for his life. He got hit constantly. I don't think he's an A prospect,

but is he a B? Yeah. People, I didn't love to, no. Now, I didn't love Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones. I wasn't high on Marcus Marietta, Johnny Mansell, Tim Tebow, I thought Cam was going to be hit and miss. I think I've been mostly accurate on quarterbacks. I've missed on some, but just to have an opinion. My take on Shadour is he's accurate.

I think he processes well enough. I don't think the coach loves him. I think the owner does, and I think he'll eventually get a shot to play. Here's Hasselbeck earlier on Pickett, Flacco, Dylan Gabriel, Chador, entire quarterback race in Cleveland. Usually quarterbacks, you know, they wear a different color jersey, like a red jersey or something like that. You sit in the pocket, you're cool, you're comfortable, you're calm. How do you play when that jersey is off? There aren't as many reps to go around with all the quarterbacks in the room.

So I think you're going to maybe, I don't know when you're going to get it. You know, like some people are trying to manufacture that with joint practices and that kind of thing. But a lot of this is going to be conjecture. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of different reports. I am on Team Shadur starts. Somewhere before, there's going to be the first five games. It is a lot of high-powered offenses. Joe Burrow and the Bengals, Lamar and the Bengals,

Lamar and the Ravens, Jordan Love and Green Bay, Jared Goff, Jamir Gibbs, the O-line, Amaran St. Brown in Detroit, and Kevin O'Connell's brilliance, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, and Minnesota. There's a lot of points. And Jimmy Haslam, the owner. And then it's Aaron Rogers at Pittsburgh, and I don't love that offense even with Aaron or without him. But after that, it's Mike McDaniel and Tua.

And then it's Rabel and Drake May. There's going to be a lot of star quarterbacks, a lot of ascending quarterbacks, a lot of flashy quarterbacks. And that ownership, Jimmy Haslip is not going to sit there and have dull Kenny Pick. and small or old Joe Flacco or small Dylan Gabriel. He's going to want a star. That's why he drafted Manzellon Baker and why he had that ridiculous contract with the Sean Watson. Shadour's going to get snaps.

I would be shocked if Shadour doesn't get snaps by at least like the Miami or New England game. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, I'm on record. I got the bills winning the Super Bowl this year, but some bad news regarding James Cook,

their electrifying running back, the younger brother of Dalvin. We know he wants a new deal. Colin, according to Adam Schaefter, Cook has disconnected from the team, and apparently nobody expects to see him in Buffalo anytime soon. Now, that ain't great. Now, this could just be posturing, right? We've seen some guys do this. Usually, and I don't want to paint with a broad brush,

usually when this stuff happens, it leaves us a bad taste in the mouth. Hey, man, we're on the cusp of something great. We know you want to get paid, I get it. You've been outstanding, but like, I mean, I don't know, Colin. This just is not great. It is June. Let's not over there.

How many James Cook has been there? Would this be his year, fourth year? He has not been there long, but the problem is he blew up last year. And because of that, everybody's like, oh, this guy's like a top five running back in the league. I don't really know what to make of, like, can Josh Allen cape up for him or get him in town? You know, they don't have a great receiving group. We know that.

They're going to two tight ends. Cook is the bell counted. Yeah, I don't love it either. He's a good player. I really like him. He's a smallish running back. You know, these running backs, he's a smallest running back who doesn't want to take a beating. You know, he's playing in cold weather.

This would be year four for him, Colin. He had 16 touchdowns last year. He's listed at 5-11 a buck 90. Well, you know what? He's probably looking at that team and saying, outside of Josh Allen, I'm the offensive engine. We don't have a very good receiving core. Kincaid's been a little disappointing.

I want my money. And by the way, you get into that year four. Now, James Cook, was he drafted? Second, third round? He was, uh, ooh, it's not saying here. But, um, so he probably is feeling. round pick second round pick in 2022 okay so you're getting the year four he wants to get paid he wants he wants a deal so he didn't get paid with his first contract turns 26 in september if he can secure

a big four money deal for you 20 26 for every position in football outside of running back is heading into your prime at 26 years old as a running back you are in the middle of your prime and maybe two high volume carry years away from end of your prime. So running backs age faster. So he wants to get paid. I get it. So like you see Jemir Gibbs had 20 touchdowns, but Jemir Gibbs is like a 1A or 1B with the other back Montgomery. Cook, it's his show. Yeah, Jemir Gibbs is a first round talent. He's a home run hitter. I like James Cook. I love Jemir Gibbs. That's a different player. Gipps is splitting carries. You can look great when you don't have to carry 20 times a game. I don't know. I'm bullish on Cook and the Buffalo Bills.

Next up, Colin, how about your guys, the Chargers? They have bolstered their wide receiving group this offseason to help Justin Herbert. Last year, it was the Ladd-McConkie show. He was phenomenal. 82 catches, seven touchdowns. Quentin Johnston was their number two receiver. So what they've done this off season is they brought back Mike Williams, and they added Trey Harris, so Quentin Johnston, less of a burden.

And, Colin, would you believe it, that O.C. Greg Roman says this year's wide receiving group is night and day different than last year. Positive signs for the charges. Well, also, Naji Harris and Hampton, the running back, the rookie first rounder from Carolina. Yep. So it's going to be, I think it'll, if Jim Harbaugh's second year at every place has been

from Stanford, San Francisco, Michigan, and my guess is with the Chargers, it takes Jim about a year, year so it feels like his footprint, the stamp is on his team. So last year, what does he do? He gets an offensive tackle. This year, what does he do? He goes and gets running backs. I don't ever remember a Jim Harbaugh team that was dynamic at wide receiver. I don't remember a Jim Harbaugh team that wasn't good on the O and D line and could not run the football. So to me, I feel like if there's a team that's actually undervalued, Jim Harbaugh,

year two virtually every place. It feels like a Harbaugh team. Last year felt it didn't feel like a Harbaugh team. Last year felt like he had changed the culture and it was now a winning team. But the personnel didn't feel like it was a Harbaugh team. Hampton and Najee Harris, both power running backs with speed. This is officially Jim Harbaugh's official imprint on the bolts. Yeah, like J.K. Dobbins was their number one backlash.

I mean, no disrespect, but Harris is better and so is Hampton. And I ran into some friends yesterday at a beach volleyball tournament who kids are in the same great as Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh is very geeked for this season. I'll leave it at that, but I will be buying stock in the Chargers this season. Listen, the hype machine is out of control for L.A. out here. Final story, Collins to the NBA. And an interesting story emerging about Sun's owner Matt Ishbia. He sent out a letter internally that got leaked about.

how he was like kind of, hey, man, I wasn't as involved as I should have been. Now I will be extremely active in the decisions and management of this organization. On and off the floor. While I won't be reviewing film, designing offenses or running the draft room, I will be deeply involved in ensuring the basketball operations are performing at the highest level. Now, Colin, there are some reports about ISPIS businesses, maybe struggling a little bit, and I will add this one. Okay?

We're seeing this second apron where the owners have to write checks for $50, $60, $70 million. We're seeing ownership saying, whoa, James Dolan, wait a minute, wait, what's going on? Okay, I want to pick the coach. We're now seeing Ispia. All he brought in, did you see Michigan, he's a Michigan State guy, brought in a Michigan State GM, a Michigan State head coach. Owners, because of what's happening, big picture in the league are starting to get more hands on. I don't know if that's a good thing. Apparently he brought Devin Booker in and was like, what do you think of this?

new coach. I mean, Devin Booker's up for like a massive contract. I don't like the vibes around the Phoenix Suns right now. And they're trying to trade KD and get him out before quickly. I mean, I think if you look, if you look at the Boston Celtics, who's made the decisions. Danny Aange to Brad Stevens. Basketball guys. General manager run organization. If you look at who has run Oklahoma City, general manager Sam Presti. If you look at Utah's boatload of picks, Danny Aange. If you look at through the years, who was really spearheaded

the Miami Heat's, you know, consistency. Spolster's been the coach, worked very closely aligned with Pat Riley. I think even a brilliant, I mean, yes, yeah, the guy in Minnesota. So I think, I mean, Phil Jackson, as great a coach

as he was, did he have the energy at the end of his career to be the GM of the Knicks. I believe this with every ounce, and I'll talk about it. I think people think basketball is a simpler sport because the rosters are smaller. I mean, if you get a star or two, you're good. Phoenix is a great example. It doesn't work that way. Bradley Beale didn't work with Booker and Kevin Durant. It felt, it sounded good, it didn't work. I think we tend to understand that baseball is really complex because you have like the pitchers or like a separate unit, and baseball, the season is long.

And, you know, it's most owners that want to sit. Jerry Reinsdorff's an exception. They don't want to watch 162 games. They own it. And I feel like in basketball, we understand so much of it is the college draft and the hours out. But in basketball, I think a lot of these owners think, there's 13 guys.

I've got a head coach and a couple assistants. No, that's not the way it works. Go look at the best rosters and best run organizations. San Antonio, R.C. Buford was running the international stuff. They were stealing players overseas, and then he worked well with pop. The idea that some rich guy, it's just like, the rich guy comes in and thinks, hey, man, it's a small roster. Let me stay out of it.

Let your basketball people be empowered. Totally. J-MAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. You know, I was saying this earlier about OKC and Indy. I don't think it's a fascinating series.

I think Indy will come back and win a home game or two. I think it's a six-game series. I'll take OKC. But earlier today, I was talking about, if you look at the old days, I mean, Michael Jordan hated the Celtics. Michael Jordan hated the Pistons. The Lakers hated the Celtics. The Knicks couldn't stand the Bulls. there was real animosity in the league not only from the organizations but the owners the general managers the coaches and the star players because everybody was trying to get their tiny slice of the pie go look at what michael jordan made with the bulls they made that much money until the very end look what magic made with the lakers as a player so in the NBA now you don't have that combativeness the players are all rich they like each other and jason tatum yokic sh

They're all nice guys. And as I, Halliburton, ooh, he's a trash talker. They're nice guys. And so I said, this series needs Draymond, or Bill Lambere, Dennis Rodman. It needs some combativeness. And instead, what you have is a business-like approach run by a smart GM in Oklahoma City

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The league is different now. It's more international. It's everybody's getting paid. I like this series, but I do understand those who say, there's not a lot of drama with it. Your thoughts? Yeah, look, it does lack the buzz of previous series.

just the fact that they don't have superstar driven rosters. Obviously, SGA is a superstar, but he's young and he's not particularly outspoken or cares. He's a good personality. He seems like a great guy and he's not shy. He's kind of like Tim Duncan, though. I mean, he's, you know, a little more outgoing, more color to him than Tim Duncan, but he is not a captivating personality, at least not yet. And it's the same thing. same thing on the other end with the Pacers. Both of these teams, like you said, they play team basketball. They're not led by one or two, you know, superstars and generational talents, and that's why

you lack it. And also the games themselves, like game one was dull until the end. Because OKC led by about 10, right, for the whole game. And then last night, they lead by 15 to 20 for the whole game. So they haven't been the greatest games either. I'll say this, and you may get to SGA, Colin, because he's obviously phenomenal. If he played like Anthony Edwards or John Morant, I mean the high-flying, flashy type game, he would be an absolute superstar.

I mean, beyond what he is now. He wouldn't be as good as Jordan, but people would be comparing him to Michael Jordan. He would be viewed as, okay, now we see the next Michael Jordan if he had that game and the same exact stats and everything else. But because he's not high flying like that, it's kind of like, oh, he's great. Like I said, Tim Duncan of this generation. Yeah, you know, I've argued this for years, Brew, is that most of the stars in my life, Kareem wasn't dynamic. Duncan wasn't dynamic. There's only been a handful of guys.

Michael was crazy. Dr. Jay was wild. Magic was flashy. But a majority of stars, Steph is unique. But I would argue the league's history is closer to SGA. I mean, go back to the 70s. The only player that jumps out is wildly dynamic was Dr. Jay. It was a lot of, it was a lot of really, you know, Bill Walton's, Rick Berry.

You know, it was a lot of really good players, but not wildly dynamic. Elvin Hayes, right. That's right. Elvin Hayes, exactly. But when I look right now at the NBA, I don't know if it's a problem, but I think the game is more skilled. I think it's smarter, but Yokic, SGA, Tatum, Jalen Brown, even Yonis hasn't developed a jumper. Like, it's, I think as we've asked our players to be more skilled. and the coaching is better, we're a little bit less reliant.

I kind of, I'll give the, I think to play like Halliburton, Halliburton and SGA are all angle guys. They're all playing their bodies. They're playing angles. They're playing math. I love it. But I don't, it's, I just think the game has changed. And to appreciate it, it's not as high flying as it used to be.

Yeah, I used to say, and this was maybe 15 years or so after Michael Jordan, the game, the people that ran the game, front office, scouts, were focused on hyper-athleticism. So you saw a guy strobe Miles Swift and some others get drafted, Chris Wilcox, who really weren't very skilled, but they had crazy athleticism, jump out the gym and quick and fast. And now I have always said, Steph, James Harden, some of these guys who aren't Uber athletic,

but are sensational players, they brought the game back to fundamentals and skills. If you have the requisite required level of athleticism and you're skilled, you can be great. And going back, Oscar Robertson, you know, relatively, he wasn't a high flyer, he wasn't ultra fast, but he was fundamentally sound and obviously phenomenal. Magic and Bird.

Now, they were flashy passers, but they weren't what you call super athletes, right? relatively speaking, and yet they were so great. So you're right in that this era has gotten back to more fundamentals. I also wonder, look, if I was in a different country and I'm learning, I might not be as comfortable like English, the language wouldn't be my first language, I might not be as charismatic as I might be in my home country. Right, right.

And I don't know if does that, right, you're still getting adjusted to the culture and things. obviously has some personality stuff, but you're not at home. So does that, you know, impact, you know, guys, I don't know, being themselves or being as colorful as they might be if they were speaking in their, you know, native language and their first language and things like that? Just something, you know, you wonder about because obviously so even the SGA is from Canada. Now, obviously, English is first language, but it's still, he's from a different country than American didn't grow up in the American culture, so to speak.

Yeah, no, I was just overseas. And I say this all the time. I tip better. I'm quieter. I'm more gracious. I'm more aware of my more mindful when I'm overseas because I feel like I'm a visitor. Even if I'm over there for seven, eight, nine days, I'm always a visitor. I want to be a good American.

So I do think there's something to be said as I think the game is more skilled. It's more mindful. But there aren't as many dynamic players. I want to ask you about the Knicks. So my take is when James Dolan was building the sphere, he was sort of distracted. And it became a very good basketball front office. You had Leon Rose, you have Tibbs, you have World Wide West, and it's just basketball guys. Basketball addicted.

And they built a hell of a culture. And I kind of feel like Dolan's always, he's an artist. He's always been an artist. There's nothing wrong with it. That's why this, yeah, I mean, that's why the sphere is his, it's his musical North Star. It's his greatest achievement, not Cable Vision, not the Knicks. It's actually, when he left, had back-to-back-back-50 win seasons. But if you look at Dolan's history, Isaiah, Phil Jackson, Carmelo, Amari Stottomach, he likes stars.

Could I argue that Tibbs was just never his kind of guy, gruff, a grinder, grumpy, and that that's not what Dolan wants. He loves stars. He loves entertainment and music. No, you're, look, Lenny Wilkins, Isaiah Thomas. I mean, big names, he wants them, right? And look, if the reports are true, and I'm sure they are true, that they're looking at E. Mae Udoka, right? Chris Finch now from the Timberwolves, Jason Kidd, obviously, from the Mavericks.

It appears if that's the case, and I look, Leon Rose does not talk to the media on or off the record. So I think he's certainly got some things playing that people may not. know about. But if they actually fired Tibido without, and your plan was we're going to go get Jason Kidd. We're going to go get emailed doke. Like, how are you going to, you know, sure fire get a coach from another team? Hopefully that was not their plan A because that is ridiculous if that were the case. And if Dolan is, and I know their reports are that Dolan, you know, is involved in this. Oh, yeah. That is not.

not a good look because you're absolutely right. Like if Leon Rose was doing a great job and I don't mind them moving on from Tibs, I would not have done it at this point, but I think, you know, it could work and there's rationale behind it, but you got to get the right guy and the right guy might not be the biggest name out there. You know, I like a Johnny Bryant, you know, who was an assistant with the Cavs this year, four years of an assistant with the Knicks under Tibbs. he could bring that Kenny Atkinson kind of system to the Knicks

and get more guys involved, not just a one-and-two-man show. We'll see if they do that. He's not a big name. And if Dolan's looking for a big name, they probably wouldn't go that route. But Dolan should not be involved at all in this decision, Colin. And if he is, it could be a – this could backfire on the Knicks. Because Tibbs like him or not – he's a great coach, had a great season. And there's no guarantee – we don't know for a fact.

fact he wouldn't have got them to the finals next year. So this could backfire if Doler's running it. Yeah, I mean, my take is he built the culture. The issues with the Knicks were personnel issues that Brunson's not a good defender, either as cat. The league has always been a baby step league and they're one step away. That may be a KD step. It was a personal issue. It wasn't a coaching issue. Chris Brousard. Call host, First Things First, buddy. I appreciate you stopping by, Brew. All right, Colin. See it. Yeah, I didn't get it. So, and by the way, the story this morning and the stories over the last few days I've read is that Dolan did have an impact on this. And now they interviewed players and, you know, those closed door player only meetings, you know, coaches, coaches get beat up in those.

But NBA has always kind of treated their coaches like laundry. Rick Carlisle's been fired. Detroit fired Rick Carlisle. Did Indy fire him once? He's been fired twice. Rick Carlisle. Pretty good coach. It's Indiana, a pass Cleveland.

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That's your fantastic four. And then I think there's about six guys after that we like. You know, that's Herbert, C.J. Stroud, J. Yalen Hertz, Matt Stafford's probably near the top of that list. There's about six other guy. I think Jaden Daniels, you have to put in that list. And so, again, fantastic four. And then there are about six guys after that. I would put Stafford at the top of it,

Jalen Hertz, closer to the bottom of that next six. And then you start with about a number 11. And 11 to 15, I got Baker Mayfield near the top of that. I have Aaron and Dak near the bottom of that, just Aaron and Dak get a lot of press. But I think, and I think most people understand it. Like, according to the stories, Aaron was the third choice of the Steelers, and McVan, Kevin O'Connell both said, not really interested, even at a discount. So, I mean, it's, I mean, we'll talk about him. It's slow. It's June.

But I don't think it makes a huge impact. I do think if you had kept Justin Fields, I'd said this earlier, if you go look at what Justin Fields did in six starts last year for Pittsburgh, and you put the numbers up, they're pretty good. I'm not a huge Justin Fields fan. It's pretty good. Ten touchdowns, two giveaways. If you extrapolate that to an entire season, maybe not in the AFC, but in the NFC,

it'd be a pro bowler. 28 touchdowns, six picks, 94 passer rating. If Aaron Rogers could get those numbers and miss a couple of weeks, plays 15 games at 41 years old, you would sign up for that today. I don't think Aaron's going to reach those numbers. Matt Hasselbeck, very optimistic on Aaron with Pittsburgh. I do believe Aaron Rogers and the Steelers is a really good fit. And I told you before, the veteran quarterback market is like musical chairs.

There's not a lot of chairs. The music stops. All you need is one chair. The thing for a veteran quarterback, you don't want to go in and learn some foreign language. He's not going to have to do that with Arthur Smith. This is a good fit. Aaron Rogers has the weapons, the quirkiness, as you say. It's okay in Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh is the kind of organization that can handle it. I think they're going to thrive from it. I don't see Pittsburgh as a kind of organization. They can handle him, but will they elevate him? Now, the Jets didn't, the Packers did. But I always go back to Aaron's last year in Green Bay. He was okay. I was a lot of years ago.

They upgraded to Jordan Love the fall of year. They were much more athletic, much more dynamic. He was okay. Remember that played Jared Gough as Detroit was building into a really good team, and Jared Gough went into Lambo and beat him. Like, that's what he was. So I also think what you're seeing here, and we've seen in the last couple years, last year's draft, Monix looks like he could be special. Jaden Daniels is. Drake May looks like he could be special. Michael Pennix, J.J. McCarthy, fingers crossed. Caleb Williams has Ben Johnson, you can go from the 11th best quarterback in this league to 15th, really quick. I mean, Dak and Aaron now are old post-surgery.

They're old quarterbacks. And now Baker and Sam Darnold had been reborn. They're still in their athletic prime. How old is Baker-Mayfield? How old Sam, Sam Darnold, 30? I mean, you forget with all these young quarterbacks. If I said right now, Sam Darnock, had a bigger market, Minnesota and Seattle than Aaron Rogers.

Sam Donald today's a better quarterback than Aaron. That's not even disputable. Baker Mayfield's a better quarterback than Aaron. That's not disputable. And I think those guys are both around 29, 30 years old. What is it? Yeah, Baker's 30 and Sam's 28. So Baker, I would say maybe a year out of his prime.

Sam's in his prime. So, and then you got a young guy. Now, this was not a good quarterback market. Cam Ward is the one that jumps out. Cam, we all like Cam. Here's Hasselbeck on Cam Ward, becoming a leader as the youngest guy in the locker room. I was 40 years old. I was backing up a young quarterback, the first overall picked also named Andrew Luck. He was the hardest worker in the building. He was the first guy there. He was the last guy to leave. And like those aren't just cliche things that was like actually legitimately true. Those are the

reports that matter just as much to me about about Cam. He's he's been a diligent, diligent worker. he's setting the tone by when he gets to work, how he works when he's there. He's not about the flash and all the other stuff. He's about the business of football, about the business of being the quarterback and the leader. That's the stuff that I don't care if you're young, old, everybody respects in the locker room. Yeah, I think, J-Mack, you and I disagree on a lot of football topics. We both agree that Tennessee is one of the better picks. You know, when we talk about teams that we perceived as bad, seven-eight-eight-win teams,

teams max that make the playoffs. I think we both see Tennessee as that team. I agreed with you a little while ago. Then the schedule came out and right out of the gate, rookie quarterback has to face the Denver Broncos defense, which is going to be elite, top four unit in the league, followed by the Rams, who we know are an awesome. So an 0-2, the schedule is just not great.

Then they got Houston in week four, Colin. I've backed off it. Now, maybe I'm reading too much under the schedule, but I mean, they could go into the buy-we. could like three and six that it's just going to be tough to make the playoffs unless war is electric yeah i i kind of look at september differently you're not going to get the best of the rams in september you're not going to get that because it's 17 game schedule we noticed this last year people are coaching differently they're there people our players are playing differently

the league we're going to 18 games by next year that is my guess we'll have it not this year the following year will be at 18 games and two by weeks. Like September will be fun, but you're not going to get the best out. When you have an 18th college now, it's like 15 games. You have an 18 game schedule. You have to judge it differently. You can't unveil the whole playbook in September. All right, we're back tomorrow.

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