The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Some NFL predictions

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Fox Sports analyst Geoff Schwartz stops by The Herd to talk about possible NFL moves, the Lions losing their Pro Bowl center to retirement, the Browns QB situation, and more The Best for last  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com. or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's welcome into the show. Jeff Schwartz, former NFL player, former Oregon Duck. He's, uh, looks like he's about to hit the golf course after we talk. Jeff, how's life down there in North Carolina? It's good.

It's getting warm. I wish I was on the golf course, J-Mack, but not today. I'm playing Wednesday. I probably 10 times a year. It's not like a big deal for me. I know people love it, but like I just get outside for a couple hours every day, every week, once a week. Well, it's good for me.

Yeah, yeah. I'm more of a top golf guy than I am a golf course guy. I don't have four hours. What can I say? All right, Jeff, a lot of news happening in the NFL. I want to start with the big one over the weekend. Dion Sanders did a podcast where he kind of did what we expected him to do. Chimmon Chodor.

Here's the video. We'll play it real quick. Dionne Sanders talking about his son's slide in the draft. When you sit up there and say something like he went in a meeting, I'm prepared. Like, dude, Shador Sandoz, who's had six different coordinators. Stop lying. Like, you got to understand. My kids are built for everything.

They want to create these narratives and create these stories and then attach them to a kid that ain't ever done them wrong. You're going to tell me he had on headphones, Shador's, anybody know my son, I understand he's a professional. Like he's going to go into a meet with headphones on. Like, y'all come on. They did hurt. Now, you don't want to go over the top, Jeff, but I know you have kids. I got kids. Yeah.

And we talk all the time. Hey, you can only take them so far. You teach them the ways. And then they're on their own. Shedur's 23 now. I think Dion saying this stuff is exactly what Kevin Stafansky and coaches around the league didn't want. They didn't need this noise. Now Stafansky's going to go to OTAs this week.

The first question is going to be, hey, Dion said this. And it's just like a head. think we don't need, am I overreacting? Do you kind of see the same thing? I don't think you're overreacting, but I understand defending your son. I think this is one of the only times he's done this, right, publicly since I know there's been quotes maybe attributed to him. So I get defending your son.

The question is whether this is going to continue, right? Like we'll continue to the season where every time someone plays poorly, let's say Flacco is playing poorly, that we get a comment from Dion about his son possibly playing. I think just in one instance, it's okay to defend. him, especially if you feel like you've been wronged. But now moving forward, yes, you're right. You should let Shadur stand on his own and not really involve yourself

in what's happening with him on a daily basis. Now, is this what people were worried about? I think so, right? I think this is part of the whole package of why Shadur Dinketka. I don't think NFL teams are making this up either. Maybe we're being loose with the term meeting. Like, if you're meeting at the combine

in a general setting, not really a personalized meeting, players might have headphones on as they go to the meeting room they probably take them off but like it's like it sort of depends i think on what you think a meeting is but i don't think the teams are long about this so i do think this all plays a role in why he didn't draft as high as he did so i go again i understand dion defending his son totally guess especially he feels he's wrong but now i think you said your piece it's over with now he's with the browns he's in o'ta's let him do his own thing now and you worry about coaching Colorado. I compared it to Arch Manning at Texas. He couldn't win

the starting job over Quinn Ewers. Even though a lot of people wanted him, a lot of of Texas fans, and then Quinn Ewer's stinks against Georgia and stuff. We didn't hear the Manning family come out and say, hey, you got to bench yours. My son's got to get it. We didn't hear any of that. And I just wonder, do you think

like, is there a way someone can tell Dion, I'm asking you nicely, please just don't say anything. Just say you're rooting for the Browns and your son, and nip it there? I mean, can you tell him, sure. I don't know if he's going to do that, right? This is who Dion has been, right?

He just shares what he feels. We see it on social media. We see it on any of the different platforms where Colorado is featured. He is, and I think that's a characteristic that people like about Dean doesn't shy away from talking about things and sharing his feelings. But in this instance, you're right. Like, I think, again, I think now is the time. You've said it. You disagree with how your son was covered.

You disagree with how he was drafted. You've done your piece now. you've said it, you got off your chest, and now I think it's a separation. And look, I do think the term distraction we talk a lot about in sports. This is one of them. You mentioned the exact thing, right, where the next time the fantasy is interviewed, he's going to have to talk about what a father, who's a famous father, of one of his four quarterbacks said about how his son was handled during the draft process.

So you don't want those questions to come up, even though they obviously are going to come up. But again, I think if, after this week, this is it, right? this is it. This is the last week here about Dion and Shadur really Deon talking about Shadur unless it's a positive thing, obviously. I think the Browns are going to be okay with it if it it sort of ends this week. That would be great.

I'm dubious that it ends this week. Let's go to another one. Big news that just happened here in the last two hours. Frank Regnow, the All-Pro Center from the Detroit Lions up and retired at 29 years old. Now listen, this is not going to be big headline news everywhere,

but as a former offensive lineman, you know, this is massive. This is huge. We've been saying for the last two years, the Lions have the best line in the league, and now you lose your center. He graded it out as the second best center according to pro football focus. This is a massive deal for the Lions, no? It's a big loss. When you look at sort of like the splits when he's on off the field, because he has had injuries over his career, the Lions, no surprise, so much better when he's on the field. You've got position, that center position, you often see a J-Mac where you get a center and he's just your guy forever.

Like they're so hard to find of this cabin. Jason Kelsey has been for so many years. Creed Humphrey is going nowhere. When you look at all the centers who eventually make it to the NFL Hall of Fame, it's like they played their career for 15, 17 years on one team. And the connection that you have with your quarterback, with your offensive line is hugely important.

Now, the Lions, now whether or not they knew this is going to be the case, I'm sure they had an inkling. They drafted centers and guards in the draft. and Glassnow is still there to move over. But this is how quickly things change, right? Where you have a solid offensive line for a couple of years and all of a sudden, you don't have the same solid offensive line. There's change there with the offensive coordinator.

So I would imagine the Lions had an idea of what was going to happen. But if you put Routledge in there to start at center from Georgia, and you have a young left guard, you have a young center. If someone beats out Glassnow, you have a, young right guard and that's it's a league right things change out but uh it's a loss for them you don't find centers growing on trades man it's why there's a limited few that are elite and they typically stay with their team forever so uh i wish them the best i will say this as far as retiring early or we consider early i like his mindset i think that's what athletes should do i didn't do this

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Yeah, I would largely agree with that. But when you combine it with the new offensive coordinator, I mean, this could be a tough one for Jared Goff. I will say they did draft a guy out of Georgia tape Ratledge. Yeah, Jeff, I look this up. A three-year starter at right guard, never took one snap at center. However, he has been taking center snaps here with the lion so far. So I guess a transition could be possible,

but a rookie starting center? Oh, man. Yeah, it's probably not great because he didn't play center in college. He did project out to play. Like that is one of his, you know, when you look at it at draft. So it certainly, you know, it can come together quickly, I think. But yeah, it's a question mark now where you do, I think you do sort of worry about how quickly this can start fast for the long.

Lions this season. And, you know, some people will be like, guys, you're overrating a center. Jeff and I do gambling stuff all the time. This is significant. Now, Jeff, I'm on record saying, I think the Lions pull back significantly. I don't do a ton of over-underbending, just because I don't want to tie on my money that long. But I'm looking at the Lions pulling back, like maybe missing the playoffs, a lot of outdoor games. Look at their first seven games, bro. That is brutal with a rookie center. There's a world where, I mean, you go to Baltimore. You can be dogs in that one. That Cincinnati defense is a joke, but you got to face Joe Burrow. Then you got the Chiefs.

I don't like this Lions Outlook this year. The lack of continuity at center, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator. Your thoughts on the Lions. Well, you have to think to get some positive regression with injuries on defense, right? So the defense should be better than it was last year just because of that alone. But you're right. The new coordinators do worry because it takes time with a new coordinator, whether or not that person has been in the building.

it takes half a season to feel really comfortable with everything that you're calling, right? You have to see everything happen in a game to know how you're going to react to it as a coach, how the players are going to react to it as players. What you're good and bad. I remember once in Kansas City the first year, Andy Reid was there. Half a season, our bio was like week nine. Our offensive line coach just looked.

He gave us a sheet of paper with all our run plays that were good and bad. He's like, we're going to throw out the bad ones. We're going to run the good ones. And one of the bad ones was his favorite play. We're not good at. We're throwing it out. So, like, that happens with a new coordinator, right? And so the lines are trying to win now, but it might take a couple of months to feel comfortable offensively.

I think we saw this perfectly encapsulated filling last season with the defense. Where early on, it were questions about, you know, is this going to work with Fangio that all of a sudden they figured out the halfway through the season? So I think early in the year, you saw their schedule a lot of tough games with a new center, maybe a new right guard, a new coordinator. So I think it's okay to be skeptical when it comes to the lines, especially if the Packers taking a step up a little bit, if the Bears take a step up in division. The Vikings, I'm still sort of questioning, you know, about McCarthy. So I think feeling a little bit of trepidation with the line's success as year is perfectly normal.

Interesting. We'll file away Vikings. I'm extremely bullish on them, but we'll do that later. Let's go to Kansas City Chiefs. Jeff, I am kind of public enemy number one with the Chiefs fans. I know. Listen, I just want to point this out. When Brady got his third ring, it took him a decade to get another one.

Now, they did go to two Super Bowls. they lost both to the Giants. And Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid. But you have to admit that this left tackle situation, getting a swing tackle who was a backup in San Fran, that's like their solution and left tackle. We know Travis Kelsey kind of looked his age there in the final two games of the season and the playoffs and then the Super Bowl.

And then I got questions about the defense, which just got torched by the Eagles. But I'll defer to you. You know the team very well. your brother obviously spent a lot of time there. Your thoughts on the Chiefs, remember, nothing lasts forever in the league. It's impossible to stay on top for the longest time. Your thoughts on the Chiefs heading in the next season.

So, wait, you went no playoffs, though, right? If I'm correct, you said no playoffs with the Chiefs. I think the division got a lot better, the schedule, which we go over here shortly. That's hard, yeah. And so are you Chargers on top of the Division? I do believe the Chargers won the Division. I would not rule out the Broncos. Sneaky.

Broncos got a top-five roster in the league. Their defense could be. You know Adam Turnoff, we talk a lot of Adam on the show. He's like Broncos defense is going to be elite, like number one in the league. Well, they are excellent. They drafted another. Yeah, they drafted in the cornerback and the dropped. I mean, look, the Chargers have been the AFC West champions in the preseason for like seven years of a row now. They have, I think it's seven.

It would surprise me if they're again this year. You've got to admit, the Raiders are better. Look, here's the thing about the Chiefs. I would have agreed with you if Kelsey had retired. I was very going to be on record. I was hinting this through the end of last season. Super Bowl week, I thought Kelsey was going to retire. I thought all the signs were there for retirement.

Maybe they had one who would have retired. I think that's probably pretty likely. The way they lost, I think, was just a bitter taste in his mouth. He didn't play well in the game. I think with Kelsey back, it is still in the mode of, let's win a championship. And I think after the season, if it doesn't go well, which they might have win a championship. I'm not up here to tell you that they're going to do that. Then they pull back, right?

Kelsey retires. Probably we work Chris Jones's deals. He gets older. and you're usher in some younger players on defense. And I think that's certainly happening after the season. But think about now, again, they're going to go for it. Rishi Rice is healthy. Xavier Worthy into year two.

Hollywood Brown into year two with the Chiefs. Remember, they started last year with Rishie Rice had 30 catch, I think, in three games, got hurt. They didn't have Hollywood Brown. Worthy was a rookie. They're entering the seasonally skill position-wise in a lot better place. The offensive line is certainly concerned, as you mentioned. Josh Simmons, it appears might play sooner than later,

which will help the Chiefs, the rookie from Ohio State. And defensively, I think that's a good unit, probably not great, but they get better at pass rush. But they keep doing what they keep doing because they have a system in place, they have Mahomes, and they win the close games. I get it. If you look at the close game result, you say to yourself,

well, that evens out year after year, and certainly does. But the Chief's close games, Jay Mack, feel a little different than other teams where they just kind of, for lack of a bit of term, BS their way sometimes. Like they're up 14 points in the fourth, in the third quarter, and it's a tie game with three minutes left. It's a close game I get.

It's a close win, but a lot of teams just win that game by two touchdowns. The Chiefs just haven't. I don't know how much to put into the fact they play these close games because they do it differently. I was at the game that's the Panthers. It was like 20 to six for the entire first half. They give up a touchdown, no touchdown. It's like, oh, the game's tied, but you never felt the Chiefs were going to lose that game.

So I think they're still going for it this year. That's why I'm still high on them. I think next year is the year where your take might be the one I have in the offseason as well. Interesting. I guess the only other point is regarding the Chiefs, trying to go to four straight Super Bowls is tough. I believe only one team has been to four straight Super Bowls, and that would be the Buffalo Bills who I think lost all of them in the 90s. It's just the bodies, the attrition, the injuries. Oh, I agree.

I mean, I will probably pick the bills to win the AFC. but again, like, they have to do it, Jay Mack. They can't beat the Chiefs. They had a division game at home. They had the 13-second game last season. Like, they're so close to doing it. They be the team I pick with Josh Allen, with their roster, with how they can play. I mean, they're close.

It just feels difficult picking them because they haven't done it yet. All right. Final question, Jeff. So we know the top four quarterbacks in the league. Everybody largely agrees on this. I have been saying since the Super Bowl, you've got to put Jalen Hertz at five. I think he's in that upper crust with Burrow, Lamar, Josh, and Mahomes. Some pushback, oh, he's got a stack deck.

The dude's been to two Super Bowls in the last few years. He played Mahom, toe-to-to-to-and just won MVP. Jalen Hertz is carrying this team. Do you have Hertz as your five or is someone else at cracking that top five? Okay. I had this discussion today on what podcast I did. So if you were to pick the fifth quarterback, it's probably an NFC quarterback, when you take in Jane and Daniels or Jalen Hertz.

Oh, right? Because if you look at a body of work, I think Jalen Hertz certainly deserves that, right? But there are times largely when he can just be a backseat quarterback, right? They run the football really well. You know, he doesn't have to pass the ball terribly much. And we've seen in actually up until that Super Bowl, a lot of the playoff wins were not stat-patter-in games from Hertz. Now, the Super Bowl was incredible. So you have to sort of take any consideration where he played really well.

And by the way, he played really well in the Super Bowl that they lost too. So he's played well in both those games. And you look at Jane Daniels. What he did is a rookie season, I would give Hertz probably the slight edge that do think body of work matters. And I think playing in those big moments, the way he plays matters. And he runs the offense as prescribed. But I don't think he has to do as much as Jane Daniels does. I think Jane Daniels is a natural arm talent and his ability to runs probably a little bit better than Hertz.

But if Daniels does it a second year in a row, I think I would be comfortable putting him at five. I really do. I think his ability and his talent can transcend that organization. We saw we did in year one. He's got a seat in year two because we often see that sophomore slump but happens with Stroud last season. But I think if Daniels can end this season like he did last season,

I think he probably passes Hertz. But for right now, I think there's no problem putting Hertz five. To me, you have to take consideration the actual results, right? like people put talent, arm talent, all those things ahead of results. When it matters most, Hertz wins a lot of games, which isn't a stat, right? Yeah. But he plays well in those big moments, which is important to me when you write these quarterbacks. All right.

Jeff Schwartz, Fox NFL analyst. He's got a podcast. I mean, he's everywhere. He's great at gambling. Jeff and Joy, North Carolina, man. Have a great summer. Thank you, buddy. Take care.

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Now, it looks low and away, but he has a conversation with the home plate umpire. They clearly disagree. Then Walls step back into the batters box and pay close attention. Walls taps the helmet a few times as he steps back in and the umpire ejects him because the thought is this is similar to the move that signifies a challenge in the minor leagues and the ump took it as disrespect after the game. Walls said he was not trying to show up the ump but was ejected anyway. A couple thoughts here. Um see to leave their egos at the door. It's not about you. But honestly, I love this passion. I love. I love. when players get heated in baseball and you kind of get,

we don't see a lot of brawls, but we see the bench is clear, we see the bullpens clear. That was, he shouldn't have gotten objected for that. We know. Can we show it again? Because he does,

he does a tap, tap, tap, tap. That's normal. It's that. So tap, tap, tap, tap. In the minors, that signifies a challenge. Do you think that was intentional by him? Well, I mean, you can't challenge,

you can't challenge balls and strikes in the major league. So it doesn't matter. And he wasn't, like, it's just hard. Because if you argue balls and strikes, you can very easily be ejected. I don't think this. So, I mean, obviously, he's super heated after and is a one run run ball game in the ninth.

Like, so. Oh, this is in the ninth. Yeah. So it was a big moment in the game. Let me ask you. So when you're in an argument with someone. Yeah. In real IRL or online.

Nice. If you fly off the handle. Yeah. Usually. you're in the wrong and overcompensating because you know you're wrong, but not intentionally, if that makes any sense. Yeah, but this was after, like,

he got heated. I think that was an intentional tap. It could have been, but like, it doesn't matter. It can't mean anything. He can't do anything. But he was doing it as a bleep you to the official, right? Yeah. Because he rubs the helmet, then does the tap.

Yeah. While looking at him. Now, he's, I read his quotes because this is fascinating. Yeah. I read the quotes. I don't have a problem. Steely demeanor. What's the problem with it?

He didn't say anything. He didn't like pop off at him. He didn't say anything. Alex is after. This is after. This is after. I'm saying before to get ejected. That was aggressive.

That run back had had some fire in it. Look at that. Yeah. That's fire. But I love that. But you see that with managers and players in baseball. Like that's part of the game is getting in their face and getting heated. I'm on a men's league team with Matt Liner.

We know. And I had a guy who got very angry with me. Oh. And he got irrational. Face of face. And he did one of these moves. And the commissioner of one guy held him back. And I was standing there like, um.

Best thing you can do is smile and laugh. But that guy admits he was in the wrong. Yeah. I think this guy admits, hey, man, I see you by love it. He's probably going to get suspended for this, right? Ah, I don't know. That's irrational behavior. No one hit.

There was no contact, right? You can get ejected. You can get ejected. I don't know. I don't think it's not big a video. I love seeing the passion. My only baseball story from Dodgers, Yankees. So Adam Sandler was right near us in my kid and his mind. Sandler full mixed gear and a Dodgers Yankees game. He's the best. Yeah, I almost asked him to play pickup hoops with me, but that's too much basketball.

Like he's, I've met him at a couple events. He's like one of those guys that's like as rad as you would dream he would be in real life. Yeah. I don't know that. Big fan. Well, you hope, well, no, no, no, no. You hope, like, celebrities that you like, they're as cool in real life. That's what I meant. I'm like, I hope he's as cool. Like, Will Ferrell, as cool in real life, like, the coolest.

What about the generous sisters when I meet? I don't know. I haven't met them. You are fascinated. You got to tell me. I love that. He is the hottest name in Hollywood. Shout out of you.

Okay, let's switch to the NFL. The Bengals, uh, defense couldn't stop a nosebleed last year, but Joe Burrow isn't letting that be an excuse for the team struggles despite being a fringe MVP candidate. Burroughs said he's the reason Cincinnati missed the postseason. Take a listen. I played even better than we wouldn't have been in that spot that we were in. So I'm just focused on trying to get better myself. And I know everybody in the lockering, it feels the same way. If I go out there and play better than I did last year, then it doesn't matter what goes on everywhere else.

That's some amazing accountability, but he wasn't the issue. Burrow had... What was he talking about? He had an MVP caliber season. He was in the conversation. He had the stats. The issue is the start of the season. They are 1 and 11 in weeks 1 and 2 in Burroughs career.

That can't happen. You can't start the season that bad. But their defense, like... So, yeah, not listening to do. That's what let them down last year. He led the league in completion and attempt. That's what I'm saying. Because he had to throw so much.

Yes. Interesting. But you got to like hats off to that accountability. He's the leader of the team. He's saying, I'll take the fault. It's my fault. Is it being accountable? Because he wasn't the problem. He wasn't the problem. He's masking other people's problem. No, he's not calling. He's not calling teammates out. He's not calling the defense out. He's saying, okay, I'm the leader of this team. I can be better. I don't, Alex, I don't know that I agree with that. He's not the problem. He's not the problem. So at some point, don't leaders have to call out other people? Not public? but he can, like, behind the scenes when he's talking to him, yeah? So that's why I don't have a problem with this. Again, it's great accountability. We don't normally see that. We have a Bengals fan on staff. I wonder if he wished Burrow would call out that defense.

I mean, it's obvious. Everybody knows. You saw it. He was putting up the numbers and the defense couldn't hold him off. Alex is being political. Yep. Behind the scenes, do it. I think at some point there's a breaking point where you're just like,

listen, I've had enough of this. Well, if it happens again, if they lose, what, if they lose first two games again, the season. We don't make the playoffs? That's better for. and roll. They need to. They need to. All right. Let's wrap things up with Lion Center. Frank Ragnow has announced his retirement from the NFL. Ragnow was a four-time pro bowler in seven NFL seasons. After he was a first round pick out of Arkansas, he played 16 games and was

a second team all-pro selection last season. Now, I've reached out to a couple of my Lions people just to kind of get their insight on this. First being our NFL on Fox Rider and my co-host on Fox Saturday, Carmen Vitale, who covered NFC North and now does like all the NFL. But she said she was a little surprised because he's played through so many injuries. And he's only missed four games in the last three seasons. And he is literally the backbone of this team. So there is a little bit of a concern for a regression now. And then I also reached out to Cynthia Freeland NFL Network's analytics expert to ask her like,

what are the numbers now? Because they were top ranked offensive line, top rank scoring up. offense, like how much does this actually affect their numbers now? And she said it's not great. She still thinks they're going to be a top 10 offensive line, but not one, two, three, or four. But it's not great all around when you have a new offensive coordinator. You have the toughest schedule in the league and you lose a Hall of Fame Center.

Yeah. So, I mean, that's a lot. It's a big one. Golf cannot be thrilled. And again, no. They didn't know this before the draft, which would have helped. You know, this guy they drafted. I called it up the stats.

The kid from Georgia has never played center in his career of Georgia. He played interior line. And so it's like that transition, okay, it could work. But they're going to be alerted. But they might have known because I guess he kind of hinted at it at the Pro Bowl. Like hinted that retirement might be a thing. But you don't know until like you, like he probably tried to ramp up. He's been dealing and playing through a lot of injuries.

and then your body just like, you can't do it. You take such a beating. You touch every single ball and every single play on offense on center. So it's like... But like the Chiefs didn't go and I think draft a tight end high or anything because they maybe got word from Kelsey. I'm coming back. I'm close to the end, but I'm coming back.

All this guy had to do is be like, guys, 80, 20, I ain't coming back. But he also could have thought he was coming back and that his body just couldn't do it anymore. Again, I'm not blaming Rag now. This is a catastrophic loss. This is a huge loss. This will significantly affect the lions now. Yeah.

And I know people listening to this are like, come on, it's a center. They are a huge. After-life tackle, center is the most important. Yes, it is. Yeah. Alex would be big. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd line news. Earlier today, we had Frank Isola on, and I asked him, do the Knicks need to go after Janus? because, you know, Jay Max out here, hey, patience. Here's what Frank had to say about the Knicks chasing Janice. I can trust Durant in the playoffs, especially offensively, even defensively. I really do think it's about a two-to-three-year window with a lot of these guys. And when you haven't won a championship 73, and I think with Kevin Durant out there,

and I think Kevin Durant will be rejuvenated. When a guy like of that status hasn't appeared in a postseason game this season, he's going to be hungry to get back there. And I think Kevin Durant would come in with the right attitude. I think he would like the serious of the next program. You know, Tom Tibado, Jalen Brunson. I think he fit in perfectly. Is it a gamble?

100% because of his age and the injury factors, but it's something that I certainly would consider. Yeah, that was actually a KD swap for Kat that I floated. Frank likes the honest idea, but it seems a mission impossible. KD is attainable. And then the question becomes, what's your window adding a guy who, who turns 37 in September, who has a rich injury history since the Achilles tear in Toronto in the NBA finals,

do you make a move for Kevin Durant? I'm kind of saying no right now. Now, if the price is right, you know, I don't have to give up Carl Anthony Towns and whatever else. But again, I don't even know that the sons would want Carl Anthony Towns. It's weird. We're in a strange phase in the NBA right now where you don't want to be in the middle. You want to bottom out, and when you bottom out, get your star out and go after an SGA, a Halliburton. Those two guys were acquired by the Pacers and Thunder when they were making big moves.

Say, we've got to change it up. Just getting like a bunch of lottery picks ain't going to do it. You know, you need a young star. And that's why the team that I think, and we're seeing the Toronto Raptors being floated for Janus, I keep coming back to the team that's going to get him. Janus is probably the Houston Rockets because they have one of the best young players

in the league in Amman Thompson. Now, will they part with him? That's another story. But it's going to be an interesting offseason. And I will add, for as much as there's Janus, KD, some Jaron Jackson chatter. Maybe they'll get back to Zion chatter

once his legal stuff gets through. It definitely feels like this is going to be a very heavy movement summer in the NBA. Now, I don't know if that's going to result in what we saw with Kauai going to the Clippers and KD and Kyrie to the Nets. It's probably not going to get that crazy, but I certainly they were going to see a lot of moves here this summer. It's a lot to talk about coming up this summer. Monday is in the books. We'll be back here tomorrow. Alex and I, see you then. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

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