The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Steve Keim joins The Herd

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Thoughts on how NIL has affected the NFL Draft, the Raiders new deal with Maxx Crosby. Pete Carroll, Shedeur Sanders and more   Guest: Steve KeimSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. We, Steve Kime, former decade-long GM of the Arizona Cardinals, now he is the GM of Clutch Football, Rich Paul's company, and he's having the time of his life. So we were talking during the break that I don't think fans realize this. You do analytics and auditing of your own drafts over a decade. Yes.

If you looked at the analytics of the entire NFL on average, how many draft picks become strong? starters and stick. Yeah, and Colin, the big thing about it is, is we set a really low bar when we ran those analytical numbers. And, you know, really to start over a 10-year period, when you looked at the first three rounds, 51% were guys that hit. And I'm talking about guys who were just solid starting players in the national football league.

Quarterbacks first round, what's the number? 49%. So this is an interesting one. I look at a player like Kyle McCord's second round who could fall to a better team. And I think he could be as good as Shadur Sanders. To you, when you look at Jalen Milro, Cam Ward, Shadur-Sanders, is one clearly better. Well, you know, I mean, obviously I'm a little bit biased towards Jailen Milro because we represented him. I spend a lot of time with him.

His upside and his talent is absolutely off the charts. I mean, I haven't seen many guys that can throw the football like him that have that kind of speed and explosiveness for a quarterback at 225 pounds. He's probably a sub-4-40 guy. And I think he's going to look. athlete that Anthony Richardson? Yes. Yes. In my opinion, he is. And he's a tremendous runner with the football on his hands, and he's got the size and explosiveness that's rare and off the charts. I think he's going to be a guy that under the right tutelage and the right coaching, I think he's going to develop into a great pro. Okay. Cam Ward, is he the safest

quarterback pick? I think so. I think he's got the most talent in terms of football acumen, a skill set. He's got a really live arm, quick release. I thought the tape was really good, watching him in Miami this year. You worry about the backyard football thing? There's a tendency that he can do that. You know, getting a lot of these quarterbacks that are runners of the football, they can get into bad habits because they've escaped the pressure all their lives. So it creates some bad tendencies, but he's a guy that I think is going to turn into a really good pro as well. Okay. You know, you know, you went up, you went and acquired James Connor from Pittsburgh. Yep. It was a great pickup for Arizona.

And it was during a time where everybody was saying, you know, running backs are over rate. Yep. And you're out there like, no, I'm going to go with it. I've always believed that perimeter players can be a bit overrated. Wide receivers. I think we just got out of a wide receiver bubble, like a housing bubble. What do you make of the Sequin-Barkley move? And why did you make a James Connor move?

Your thought, you're a former offensive lineman. How do you view running backs? This is a good running back draft. How do you view them? Well, again, now we go back to analytics. And analytics has told you over time that generally the best backs have been drafted in rounds three through five. Okay, now that's just an analytical study. But that being said, I mean, if you got a special back like Sequin Barclay, you take

him as a top 10 pick because they are a bell cow, Adrian Peterson, guys who are different. And I think the fact that they paid them, I think there's another good move by Howie Roseman. They paid their bell cow. They set the market now at what, $20 million for running backs. And, you know, again, they rewarded one of their own. And I think that's tremendous. We've talked about the Philadelphia Eagles. They're going to have to move off certain players.

Yep. So they're going to move off sweat, probably D-line. Is it Milton Williams? Yeah, we have Milton Williams as a client, and he is a tremendous, tremendous talent. I think he's going to do real well in the market. Okay, the question is, you don't want to pay linebackers a lot. Right. What is how he do with Act Bond?

Well, you know, I think he's a guy that's also a difference maker. And, you know, obviously sometimes it depends on if the guy is a guy that calls the defense, if he sets the front. Fred Warner. Yeah, guys like that. And, you know, I think with Bond, especially with that talent and defensive front up there, he may be the guy that sets that front and keeps them aligned. So that could be an important part of the process as well.

So you're a former offensive lineman. I have made this, I've been on this for seven years. There is something about offensive coaches being able to reboot and restructure an O line. Andy, McVeigh, Ben Johnson here has went out and got two guards. Defensive coaches, and I don't know what it is. there is some sensibility about offensive head coaches and the ability to either spot develop O lines so the bears go out and they pay two guards

do you like that? I love it. I love it because I mean think about it. Your future is that quarterback and everything is coming about agap pressure and now all of a sudden you protect that quarterback inside out and now all of a sudden you've got an opportunity to see what Caleb Williams can really do. Is it a good offensive line draft? You know, I think it's solid. I mean there's some good players.

in the draft. I think, you know, maybe more starters than pro bowl players. But I think, you know, in the first two rounds, there's going to be a number of players that wound up being solid starters in the league. I'm going to go back to quarterbacks in college, Shadour Sanders. If I had to draft a quarterback, what concerns you about Shador Sanders? You know, I think holding the ball a little too long at times. You know, I think he's got the right skill set. I do think he's a smart football player. When you watch him in the pocket, he's got really good pocket presence. So I do like a lot of things. about Chador. And I think he's going to be a fine player to the next level. Now is your first year starter? I don't know about that. But at the same time, I think he's got a lot of things going

for him in the right direction. Does it help that dad was a pro or does it not matter? I think 100%. I mean, he grew up with football. He understands what it takes to be a pro. Say what you want about Dion Sanders, but he's got to figure it out. I mean, he does. He's got to figure it out. He knows what it takes. I think the kid is a tremendous worker. I think he works at it. And I think that's half the battle when you've got that skill set. arm strength is average. Does that matter a lot to you? No, because, I mean, what's the first thing you ask a quarterback to do?

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Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. So much of free agency, you've dabbled in some free agency. It can be a little bit of a sucker's paradise. Would you, okay, so D.K. Metcalf is now 27 years old. Story today. John Snyder, who, by the way, does not miss on wide receiver talent, is going to move off him. Tyler Lockett as well. Yeah.

You're a GM, you need a wide receiver. You're Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. 27 years old, pretty darn expensive. One year left, probably want you to negotiate a new deal. What do you do with D.K. Metcalf? That's the thing. I mean, he wants a new deal.

I'm sure this is what it's all about. He's got, what, $31 million, one year left, no guarantee. You know, you look, you said it best. John Schneider and Jason Light are probably the two best in the league in terms of acquiring wide receiver talent. Those guys have been off the charts and really don't miss. So, you know, I mean, I think that John, the cards are in John's hand. I mean, I think he can play it however he wants.

Your quarterback's 35 years old, so that's a concern. But at the same time, you know, you've got to decide yourself, do you have a youth movement? Are you rebuilding? Where are you at? They have a really good young nucleus up there. And if the guy is getting loud and he's being a, you know, sort of a locker room lawyer, then I would probably move on.

what would you jac mack and i talked about this i think with his contract he's worth jamax says a third i say a second what would you give up for him if you needed a receiver uh you know 27 years old i probably i'd probably second but now that being said you're going to have to give a second and and you know sign them as well so you're going to want to do a sign and trade to make sure that you have them in a place where you avoid sort of the hasan reddick issue with the jets when they traded for him so you represent clutch football represents Jalen Milro. Great parents, great kid. But I was defending

Shadur Sanders yesterday. I said grew up rich due to the NIL is now rich. And a lot of, there were stories that leaked out. He's brash and arrogant. And I said, you know, the New York Giants may be an impediment to being successful.

They may be a roadblock. I can, I understand the culture's changed. A star quarterback out of college, he's not desperate. Yeah. What's the line on you, Steve, interviewing a college quarterback in the NIL world, what is confidence, what is arrogance?

Well, you know, it's funny because it went from the first question you used to ask him was, how is he going to deal with money? Well, now half these quarterbacks have more money than half the starters in the NFL. Shador Sanders certainly does. So, I mean, obviously he understands what it takes to balance the checkbook. He understands all the sort of the things that come with playing that position. So I think with the NIL world, there's a lot. has been some good things that have come with it in terms of teaching guys how to be a pro

earlier yeah um did you ever have me kailer murray was a different personality yeah uh dad was involved was there a moments pause that you did you guys had that discussion about you know he's a little quirky personality was that no because i knew at the end of the day he would make us a much better football team i think it's kind of like this draft here you know just does tam ward at the first pick make you a better team initially or does abdl carter we had joey or nick bose on the So is Kyla Murray or Nick Bosa? Now you can argue obviously that Nick Bosa was a better player, tremendous upside. But Kylea Murray, that decision was going to propel us in the winning direction quicker because of the position of need.

The Sam Darnold Market, does he have one? Yes. Yes. I mean, again, supply and demand at that position, there's probably what, 7, 8, 10 guys you can win with, and then the rest are playing musical chairs. Sam Darnold is a good player. He put good tape out there this year. You didn't love him out of college.

I didn't. So I'm eating some crow with this on you. You know? But I loved him. Yeah, no. But I tell you what, Jordan Palmer has also taken his game to another level. Jordan has done a great job with him. You know, he works with him as well as Josh Allen and some of those guys.

So Jordan Palmer is like the quarterback whisper. He does a great thing with those guys down in Orange County. But, yeah, Sam is going to have a market. You know, to me, the franchise tag is at 40. You're probably negotiating somewhere off that number. So you're going, you know, if it's a long-term deal, maybe you get up in the mid-40 range, maybe somewhere where Purdy's going to come in. Okay.

Aaron Rogers, would you sign him for a – he doesn't want to play forever. Got a house in Malibu, Las Vegas, Pete Carroll's going to run the show, Chip Kelly Strong-O-C. You're the Raiders. Two years, Aaron Rogers. Interest you? Yeah, two years. Yeah. I mean, again, you know, do I put Aaron Rogers up from a skill set standpoint compared to the other 32 quarterbacks?

He's certainly in the first half. now I know again he's going through some injuries and had some bad luck at the Jets but the guy can still play and if he puts get put in the right situation I think he'll have some success does a personality matter to you I think it just depends on what your culture is you know who's your head coach how's your building run I think those things are play into it for sure yeah Pete's gonna run the show yes very strong willed strong personality yes um okay so let's get down so he loves Brock Purdy I mean he'd pay him like he's a Swiss bank I'm like his career numbers against playoff teams aren't great.

I think he's maybe the 13th to 15th, most talented quarterback in the league. That's about 45 large. That's what Lynch offered. I'm his agent. You're the GM of San Francisco. What would you be comfortable going to? You said John went to 45 at this point? I'd say there.

Yeah, I would say there. Again, now this is one of those situations where it comes down to, the player has got to be smart enough to understand that he fits in that system ideally, okay? He has great talent around him. Kyle knows how to run the football extremely well. So those things set him up to be a successful quarterback. Don't be dumb and chase the money somewhere else when you can get a great deal and play for your home team. Do you tell the agent that? Yes. You do?

With emphasis. So you've had high-volume conversations with a huge-volume conversations with a team? Yes. And you're just, hey. Don't be dumb. Don't be dumb. And by the way, people confuse contextualization with hate. Yeah.

How do you preface it? Like, let's say you're driving to work and you know you've got to talk to Brock Purdy's agent. Yeah. And you've got to get kind of caffeinated because you've got into calls knowing it's going to be, is it an hour conversation? Is it 15? How do you prepare for that conversation? I mean, it depends on who the answer.

agent is, but you've got to be prepared for some of these guys, particularly some of the more top, more experienced agents, you've got to be on your P's and Cues, and you've got to be ready because they want to fight at all times. Okay, the Rams are pretty hard to negotiate. Stafford, you never believe Stafford was going to leave. But if you look at his contract, I can argue he's underpaid relative to the market. He'll be making less than Brock Purdy. Why do you think he stayed? What do you think that?

Because I heard it went back and forth for about. three days. Why? L.A. Shaw MacVey. Now what do you mean by L.A.? It's a great place to live, good weather. He's lived in Detroit. He's in L.A. with a good coach. I think that he's got obviously an opportunity to get continually better players. Less will do a good job there drafting and signing players in free agency. He'll have a say in the whole thing. And, you know, he's what, made $360 million in his career, so I think he can live on that. He's got a nice little place at M.B. Yeah. Smoke a cigar on that. deck if you want to do it's clean living so now you are in a situation where you are dealing with

call i mean it's the same job but a better boss yeah so when you look when kids come out today yep so i think a lot of people i hear a lot of these things leaked kids are more arrogant nil is that what you're experiencing um no i just think that you need to sort of start the recruitment earlier now because of the NIL stuff. Because you want to develop the relationship with the players earlier in the process because a lot of times you are a part of their NIL deals, okay,

as an agency. So now you're getting involved with doing their NIL deals, but you're also building that relationship early with the player. So once he pans out and becomes a good player and becomes an NFL prospect, now all of a sudden you've developed that relationship with him and had him under your sort of your tutelage.

So I always had this, I had somebody tell me this years ago, an NFL GM. He said, we love drafting Mark Rick's players at Georgia because he hasn't squeezed all the juice out of them. Be careful about Nick Sabin's defensive backs. He's made them look better than they are. That Saban was such a great coach. People always said this about Jeff Tedford. There's no upside.

Tedford got everything out of him. So do you notice when you're recruiting players for Clutch that there are certain programs where players are more NFL ready? 100%. I will tell you, does a great job with their players as Ohio State. That program has run, I mean, it's run, obviously, national champions. But those kids are so mature, and by the time that they get through that program, if they can make it through the program, they are NFL ready and they're ready to go onto the real world. Do you think it's because of the intensity of the program? I think that. I think they teach a lot of life lessons there.

I think they do a lot of things off the field that are teaching these young men how to be, you know, sort of adults. Like what? What do you think? I think it's life skills, you know, just whether it's, you know now with the NIL how to handle your finances how to how to how to sort of make a brand a name for yourself those sort of things that I think are again great for these kids for life what a fun job it's great isn't it is you know okay one more player

I don't like to be critical young guys but uh Mel Kuyper told me years ago nobody lies more than agents and GMs two weeks before the draft No doubt. And there are certain people that are being pushed to me. And, like, for instance, I watched a lot of Jackson Dart. Yeah. I think he's a fourth rounder.

I'm being told he's a first rounder. Former general manager, what do you like? What would worry you? The thing I like, I think you can argue that he's checked a lot of the boxes in terms of playing well at the senior bowl, doing some good things at the combine, throwing well there. I think he interviewed well with teams from what I hear. Yet at the same time, you always have to rely on the tape. Because, again, I say this all the time.

We go out in the fall and we fall in love with the play. and then confuse ourselves in the spring. Because we've got to remember that the things that you see on tape in the fall are what really matter. Now all of a sudden we're worried about the three cone. Well, we don't run a three cone at 1 o'clock on Sunday. Right. Did you ever, did you think the combine, did you ever see a player of the combine and elevate him? Or do you think it's just guys in shorts run fast?

Oh, no. I mean, I've overthought it before. I've done all of it. Yeah. Yeah, of course. You just kind of fall in love to. Yeah. Big fast explosive.

Yeah. Yeah. That Missouri offensive linemen. that the kid that everybody's talking about, like I looked at his combine and I'm like, late first round to top 10 felt like to me. Am I asked? Yes, absolutely.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Do you want to go out tonight? Absolutely. If you're buying. Is it on Rich Fall? All right.

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And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our. own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris.

Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world, right now and I actually can win on any surface because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, the Eagles signed Sequin Barkley yesterday. Today they're signing Zach Bond linebacker, three-year deal. The all-pro fans love him. 34 million guaranteed out of the 51. So what do they do with Sequin, Barclay and Zach Bonn?

A lot of teams aren't going to write those checks. So he's got, you know, a million and a half bucks and incentives and escalators. So a lot of money up front. Steve Kime said he would resign Zach Bond, and they did. He thinks he's a guy kind of calling plays right behind that great

defensive line. So they're making decisions. Zach Bond to me was to go either way. Linebackers, do you want to pay him? keep that old line. Jalen Hurts, Sequin, they're going to go with Zach Bonn. They're going to move off Milton Williams. They could probably move off sweat. They moved off Darius Slay. They're going to move off some

defensive guys, but they're going to keep Zach Bonn. I know that makes Eagle fans happy. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. It's not getting the fanfare of Zach Bond, but Travis Kelsey

will be returning to the Kansas City Chiefs. He is committed to coming back. Today on his podcast, he explains some of the reasons why he's returning to Casey. The biggest thing is that I love playing the game of football. That's a good reason. I love playing. I still feel like I can play it at a high level and possibly at a higher level than I did last year. I don't think it was my best outing.

You know, I think I let my guys down in a lot more moments than I helped them. Yeah. I think he's got a year left. I probably would have called it a career. He's had a lot of surgeries. You can't go out like that, though. Yeah, that's a good point. The last two games were a future.

He was a non-factor. He had a good game against Houston, and then after that, nothing in the play. Yeah, well, it's hard. He's invisible. Well, you know, you... He had a very good year. Wait, what's hard? Playing football?

Well, playing tight end, you have to block people, not just going out. He's a pro. He's like one of the five greatest tight ends ever. Yeah. Maybe three. It's hard? Well, yeah, it's very difficult. George Kettle has to block.

He's just not running a curl route and taking a few plays off. He's wider as soon. receivers out there making fancy catches. These guys have to block. By the way, you think the Chiefs are going back to Super Bowl? I don't. No way. I told you they wouldn't three feet.

You were right. You were right. Of course, you didn't think they were going to the Super Bowl. Did not think that either, but they got lucky. I don't know. I mean, my takeaway is now is I don't know if I trust Buffalo and Baltimore. I want to see what the Chargers do in the draft. If the Chargers had a good draft and got D.K. Metcalfe,

I would take them to go to the Super Bowl. That's how I feel. At some point, I'm done trusting Sean McDermott against Andy Reed. What do you want me to do? I want to see what, I mean, Harbaugh took a nightmare to a playoff team. Well, all these referee changes, and that's going to help them. I am open for business in the AFC. Who's your NIC team, Eagle?

I think Philadelphia and the Rams and Detroit. You know, you've been laughing at the Rams for three years. No, I like the Rams. Come on. stop. Next story is the, oh yeah, let's go. With the wide receiver market is just getting flooded with names. It was Devante Adams.

Now it's D.K. Metcalfe. Sorry, Tyler Lockett. Man, it is absolutely crazy all these receivers. Let's drill down on Devante Adams for a second. The best odds for him, according to one book, are the Green Bay Packers, Colin, at plus 190. That to me seems insane that he would return to Green Bay. Well, it also tells you, of all those good young Packer receivers and tight ends, they feel like they need an adult.

They're so young at tight end. They're so young at receiver. It kind of the Packers and Gooden Coons telling you like, we need somebody that's been around the league a little more dependable, a little more adult. So I think the Packers' receivers and tight ends are great, but they're all kids, all of them. I do find it odd that the team is essentially clamoring for a big-name wide receiver. That's going to mess with the heads of all the wide receivers, but are all the ones. already there. Don't you think? Like, didn't one of them go sideway?

It might have been Wicks or Dobbs. Why are the Rams in there? They're trying to move off Cooper Cup. No, well, they're done with Cooper Cup, but they need, they need a, you need a one-two punch with Bucca. Chargers need a guy, obviously. I think the Niners on there is goofy. There's no chance. They just moved off Diba.

Yeah, I don't get that. Yeah. Steelers make sense as they could use the receiver as well. I don't know what's up with Pickens. I haven't heard much from him lately. Colin, final story is the Raiders. made one of the biggest moves of the offseason just now. And that's because Max Crosby just became the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history. Max Crosby, Colin, three years, $106.5 million, $91.5 million guaranteed.

That comes out to $35.3 million a year just over Justin Jefferson's. 35 million. Colin, this is... I have no problem. I think this is insane. I have no problem paying Max Crosby this. that. He's the best player on the team. He and Brock Bowers are the team. You're paying him like he's one of the best players in the league.

He is. Oh, stop it. He's really good, but come on. He's not even top, is he top five in his position? Yes. Got. He's Garrett? No, Miles Garrett's. There's Hutchison. No, I take Crosby over all those guys except Garrett. T.J. Watt, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby. Kid in Cincinnati's probably four. I need to go through all Max Crosby's playoff footage and pull his greatest highlights. What are you talking?

Come on, he's not top five defensive end. Pass Crusher. Right now, guys, who'd PFF have? Top 5, 6. I'm sure Crosby was up there before the area. He is unblockable. He's very, very good. And by the way, Miles Gerard.

Trey Hendrickson led the league in sacks. No, he's very good, too. Michael Parsons. Come on, there's a lot of guys. And Max Crosby's one of them. You don't like Max Crosby. I like him. I like him.

I think Nick's up there. Joey's not. You know that paying him that much money, Colin. It's the only guy on defense they're paying. Kansas City plays one great defensive player. You can pay one great guy up front. Then you draft defense. Oh, by the way, I got to give the Raiders props for one thing.

They got this done before Micah Parsons, before Trey Hendrickson. So now the dumb bangles, the dumb cowboys, have waited and the market three set. Do you think Michael Parsons is going to take less than Max Crosby? Like a PFF doesn't even have Max Crosby in the top 10. Outrageous. I mean Who would you take today Max Crosby or Micah Parsons?

I would take Max Crosby Now Jared Verst isn't you know Jared verse is a guy to keep your eye on You take him over Michael Parsons? Yeah Crosby was fourth in 2020 I mean he's a very good Mylis is my one

Nick Bosa's probably my two And then I think you get into Like I like Will Henderson, Trey Hendrickson I think Crosby's in that class T.J. What? How do you not like him? He gets hurt Aiden Hutchison? I mean, I don't know, Colin. This is, this could be your list for tomorrow. If you have a boozy night with, you know, Steve, you're struggling.

Boosey night. It's a game night. It's a game night. I can't be out there flying blind. Okay. All right. Are you done? I'm done. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. You know what it tells me I'm looking at this list. And it's, by the way, outside of Miles Garry. It's inches, not feet. Yeah. Miles Garrett. Like I like Bosa and Watt. They've both gotten dinged up a little bit.

Kaleo Mack has been, last couple of years, has been sensational. I think Jared Verse is the guy. If you told me who's the guy you get for the next five years, I take Jared Verse number one. Number one? Oh, I think Jared Verse. You're in love with the Rams. No, I think Will Anderson at Houston's exceptional.

Oh, yeah. I forgot about him. He's amazing. He's really good. Trey Hendrickson, Cincinnati. These are all good. And they only didn't sign Max to a five-year deal. It's a three-year deal.

A short deal, yeah. And they signed him, as you noted, they signed him before Micah signed. So they got probably a better number. I mean, who are the Raiders paying right now? Not paying a quarterback. I think Wilkins got a good money to come over from the Dolphins. Maybe they're not paying Brock Bowers. Not yet.

You got some free time there. What are they paying? Colton Miller left tackle, probably making something now. They don't pay a lot of guys. They don't have a receiver. They don't have a quarterback. I mean, they're not paying anybody. They're paying anybody.

They're paying Wilkins on the defense. paying like three coaches not to coach, I think. Right? Well, if I'm not paying, I also think it sends a message in the locker room. If you're great, we'll pay you. You can't let Max Crosby go. And Pete Carroll's a defensive coach. He has a big, you know, remember, the GM that went to the Raiders is a kid.

Pete has big say in that move. Okay, Pete, at the end in Seattle, John Snyder was making the calls. My guess is Pete didn't love that. He likes the say in personnel. He loves the saying personnel. This is Pete's franchise, first, second, third. And if they signed Aaron Rogers, he'd come to terms with that very quickly. He's over to a septagenarian who hasn't won anything.

I'm telling you, Pete Carroll made this move, not the GM. Pete's running the show. That's how Pete operates. It's how he operated at USC. It's how he operated until the very end in Seattle. Is this Pete Carroll over under half a playoff appearance for Pete Carroll with these Raiders? Probably under because the division's so good. It's not a knock on him.

I just think, I mean, again, they don't have a quarterback. Now, if they hired us to consult, do you think? JNC consulting. Well, I... That could certainly help matters. I don't think it's terrible to get your house in order for a year. Trade down in the draft if you can and get more good players. I don't think this is the year to need a quarterback.

I don't think I would give Sam Darnal a four-year deal. You take a flower on Rogers? As long as Aaron knows that Pete's running the show. I'm not going to sign who you want. But Pete Carroll is running the operation, all of it, including Draft Day. Pete will have the big say. Pete will have the final say on Draft Day. That's my take.

Not some young kid who, you know, smart young kid, but he's not going to have the final say. They should just bring in LeBron to help out because LeBron knows a lot about putting together a roster. He just has done it so many times. It's not a criticism. It's just, I'm telling you what's happening with Pete. He's running it. So he may. Daniel Jones, QB1 for the Raiders next year.

You like that? Again, I think Daniel Jones, if you signed a two-year deal with Daniel Jones, and it was very team-friendly, I could do that. So then you build a roster around the quarterback and then find a quarterback. Trade down on the draft, get another second or a third-round pick. Pete loves the draft. He likes Washington College football. You know, I don't think you want to get deep into the darn old weeds.

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