The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 – Super Bowl Call Back

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn from 2 Pros a Cup of Joe fill in for Colin Cowherd and believe this Super Bowl is reminiscent of the ’07 Super Bowl between the Giants and Patriots. The Terry Rozier gambling ring is being blown out of proportion. Plus, James Cook rips the refs and more! #2prosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Shape up or ship out. All right? This will not be tolerated. It's not going to be tolerated here. So, LeVarayrington. Are you just mad about his hypothetical conversationally? I mean, you didn't have a chance to weigh in. You chose not to want to weigh in.

listen you know the clock called and it was it was time to get out but yeah LeVar Harrington I thought you were just upset about his lack of prep I didn't know bang bang yeah I'm not really sure

I totally agree with the you know Bill Belichick's not in Vegas as head coach because him and Tom Brady couldn't coexist or there was a falling out when they were when together in New England. I mean, there's also an element of, if you hire a guy like that, there's the

potential you have to fire him too. Like, I'm not sure that maybe you want to have to go through that. It's like everyone talks about, oh, I'd love to start a business and like work with my friends. It's like, yeah, well, what happens, though, when things don't go right or they're not doing their job? It's usually why a lot of those businesses die because guys don't have to fire some of their buddies and their friends.

I mean, hell, there's coaches. You, you know, come into the NFL, they hire some of their buddies as opposed to. to maybe the best coordinators or position coaches. And at times that happens. They either fall victim to the team not having success or they've got to fire some of their best friends and it fractures relationships. You know, it could be about that.

There's a lot of reasons as to why, but I just, I can't think that he's thinking in the back of his mind, well, if I hire Bill Belichick, what's going to be my reputation or legacy as an owner, you know? And it's also that Belichick was just, he was just on his podcast talking about how, you know, they were making the point,

oh, they should rename the Lamarty trophy, the Brady trophy. But his bigger point was, dude, it's not about coaches, it's about players. Like, it would not surprise me if Tom Brady and having a conversation with Belichick just said, listen, dude, we're not ready. Like, you know, don't, you know, you want to go pursue that, pursue that. Maybe we could kick the tires on this again. But in that division with no quarterback, like, what's the plan? Right.

So there's that element of like, if they're willing to hire a 73-year-old, it's like, well, a year from now, things could look different. Maybe we're a little better position, you know, so I want to bring you in or hire you after a year or two. Yeah. So it just, it feels like Mahomes isn't going anywhere. Justin Herbert's not going anywhere.

Bo Nicks, you know, had a great rookie year. They appear to be, you know, heading in the right direction. The Raiders just appear like they're in a tough spot. Although Pete Carroll does make him interesting.

Like that, I am looking forward to that aspect of it. For sure. Especially in Vegas. There's just so many things that, based on how he ran his teams and, Seattle and even at Southern Cowell. I could just, I could imagine

many of the things that could happen off the field that would be fun to see. But I do want to ask this question because we started off the show and we were surprised. Very similar to probably the 2007 Super Bowl between at the time the undefeated New England Patriots getting upset by the Giants. But we'll get to that in a moment.

I'm curious, has Lee found a place to sleep tonight? He's running out his condo, apartment, whatever the hell of it is? Brady, I wish you could see him. He looked so worn down. I wish you could see him. I'm going to be okay. I just got to make my way to Bourbon Street, to New Orleans, really.

You said you made the decision, but it feels like this decision caught you off guard, which leads me to think it was the other person who's a part owner of this condo. Well, listen, I've been trying to get this condo off my hands for a while, but we also had it listed for long-term rental. And then it so it hadn't gotten any bites, really, but then it just kind of fell into my lap with a one-day notice. Is a month considered long-term? long term? It feels like more of a short term rental. It is, but it's, it's, for an Airbnb or

Verbo or something like that, it's, it's considered a long term. How do you, by California law and the rules and regulations of my, of my complex, it has to be a month or longer. But you own the place. Shouldn't they give you more than like 15 minutes notice that somebody's moving in in two days? I get, that's what I, I expected, yeah. That's what I thought. What happened? Something happened in between when you placed it? Was there not a... I think we had... Who's actually controlling...

Hold on. I think we had lowered the price. Who's controlling the Airbnb or the VRBO account? Who's controlling that? Both of us. Don't say both of us? Well, her mostly, but I mean, I'm... Okay, there you go.

I'm an administrator on it, too, and I think we had lowered the price. By the way, do you find it? We get it. You're the HOA president. We understand you're important, but she clearly is making the decisions in this case. Well, it's... Do you find it? Do you find it a little coincidental that this all took place while she happened to be out of town?

No, weird, huh? No, yeah. Yeah, my antennas went up a little bit. Yeah, a little funny she had to get out of town all of a sudden, hey, what do you know? You got to be out too, and you have nowhere to go. Could you imagine, by the way, when he dropped her off, she's been thinking and planning this all along. And she's just walking through the airport, about ready to get on her flight, thinking to myself, yep, got him good. He thinks he's going to be in for a good time.

All right. We'll see about that. Yeah. She sent him to work on 40 minutes sleep. Little does she know, hang a left, and there's a liquor store with a can of smiles right across the way. A, music, is there a cot?

We can throw up in the studio for leave to maybe sleep until Sunday until he flies out. Yeah, I think we got some space around here. He'll have some friends overnight, you know. Actually, I've got an idea. Well, Colin's moving to Chicago, right? He made the big announcement. Why can't Lee just stay at Colin? Collins place. That's a good idea. Yeah, listen, we'll put a word in with Colin, see if he's got some

space. He can write that out. Yeah. I think you're onto the right path here. Tui's on the phone right now. How fast would music get a call from Coward going, what did you do? Who is this guy in my house? Anybody's seen what happened to my Bombay Sapphire I had on the shelf? Where'd that go? Yeah, Lee would leave. Lee stopped by. I needed a place to stay. But, well, I'm just, I'm imagining late night doing God knows what in his underwear, waltzing around the house. Tricking Collins' orange shoes out of the fridge, right out of the jug.

Because people that don't know, Lee is always like, hey man, totally cool. That's why we call him Lee Bowsky, because he's totally cool, totally calm and collected all the time. Always in a good mood. Always happy to see everybody. And he just looked run down today. And it didn't make any sense because the show

is six hours later than when we normally start. working on prime sleep, then you come to find out, he just recently discovered he was homeless. And by the way, this is coming off the back of his car getting broke into by a bunch of Bums. Who had a soup kitchen in the back of his car. I think I saw that bum yesterday, dude. I bet you did. He had a brand new nomadic bag on.

He's like, thanks for the bag, buddy. And it's exactly the same thing. I was loading my car with a bunch of stuff. I was like, he's going to break into my freaking car. bargain. And then he left a pile of puke on the side one. Did you chase him down, Lee? One of them, I chased the wrong one.

I think this was the other one. I think this is the one that actually got my backpack. Yeah, diversionary tactic here. You go get in the car and then I'll run the other way, making him think it's me. That was laptop. I was almost going to ask someone. That was laptop number two. I'm telling you, there's been several times I've caught myself realizing what time slot

wearing. What old do you find in the back of your car, Lee? You put some used balloon animals? Oh, no. They call that a soup kitchen. It's just revolting. Well, look, we'll keep you posed as to whether or not Lee finds a place to stay. We've got, you know, a little over 50 minutes to play with here on the show.

Obviously, Super Bowl is next week. We are going to be in New Orleans for that. Everybody excited for it. Everybody fired up. Brady loves New Orleans. I can't wait to get there and take it all the sights and sound of Bourbon Street and Radio Row at 5 in the morning. Also, I am curious when it comes to this matchup, because everyone's talking about, well, you know, if they go for a three-peed, if they... I do wonder what the rooting interest is of these teams as far as people that maybe are the casual watcher or people that aren't a fan specifically of the Chiefs or the Eagles.

Because if you remember the Super Bowl in 0708, when the Giants were playing the Patriots and the Patriots were going for that perfect season, that was an opportunity to see history. We'd never seen it done before to that level outside of the 72 Dolphins. But it would have been, you know, all those playoff games and extended season based on when the dolphins did it back in the day. And yet I felt like the rooting interest was for the underdog, the New York Giants in that spot, do you get the vibe that that's the same with the Eagles? Because there's a lot about the Eagles that just rub people the wrong way. You know, whether it's Siriani. So I'm not sure

that we're at that point yet, but I'd be curious to know whether or not people want to see history and the three-peed or they just want to see a winner lose because the chiefs are the villain all of a sudden in the NFL. I think there's a lot of pent-up frustration and anger and probably some hate, you know, probably some jealousy of what the chiefs have been able to. I think, and accomplish. I mean, just getting to this point is historic. But, you know, you throw in the coverage with Taylor Swift and everything else. I think there's a lot of people who are just tired of it, you know, the officiating angle that they always get the benefit of the doubt. So because of the history behind it, like you can make the comparison, I think, to that Patriots, Giants match up,

the Patriots obviously trying to go for that, you know, most recent undefeated season with the expanded regular season. But I don't know. know. I mean, I think it's fair to make the comparison between the two. The tough thing for me is, if you go back to that Giants team, I think they were like, what, a 10 and 6 team that they had to win a few games down the stretch in order to make it as a wild card team. And then we're on the road the entire way to get to the Super Bowl and then ultimately, you know, beat the New England Patriots. So it just had a different feel to it. I mean, this Philly team might have the better roster on paper if you're comparing the two teams, man for man. And they were the favorite. They had

the home field advantage. You know, we kind of watch them go through the playoffs. And it feels like they're a much more formidable opponent. And they've got a candidate for the MVP in Seekoine Barkley. They've got arguably the best offensive line. And so I kind of look at it and say, all right, we've seen this matchup before. You know, we hadn't seen that Giants defense and Steve Spagnola taking on, you know, then a Tom Brady led team.

But we've saw this a couple of years ago where if you go back to that matchup, Kurtz was the best player on the field. I mean, he played phenomenal in that game, and it still wasn't enough. And I think obviously the addition of Saquan Barclay is what might even tilt the field a little bit in favor of Philly, even though they're not the betting favorite in this one, where Steve Spagnollah, I mean, he's been unbelievable. I mean, a Hall of Fame just as a defensive coordinator, which I do think he should get in. I'm not sure that enough people have talked about that. We seem to just want to talk about, hey, why is he not getting a head coaching job?

he's a Hall of Famer in my opinion with the impact that he's had on two separate Giants teams this Kansas City Chiefs team, this run that they're on, has a lot to do with him. But I think this game plan is so much more difficult than what they were tasked with the last time they played the Eagles. The Chiefs, I guess,

hate or villain role that they've taken on, you just knew it was only a matter of time. Just like it was only a matter of time when the Patriots got it when they were America's team and they beat the greatest show on turf and they came out as a team from the tunnel and the Super Bowl and it was like, oh, it's the greatest thing in the world and then they went on that

run and then just a few years later, a few years later, everybody wanted them to lose. The Chief stuff is fascinating because you've got like the bills and, you know, whether it's Sean McDermott, whether it's Brandon Bean, you know, people are talking about apparently they've sent video of the fourth down spot against the

chiefs that went the other way. They've sent that into the league. You've got all these people using all these excuses. It's like, well, there was 12 and a half minutes left in the game. So, like, that's not like that cost you the game. It's just all the excuses, all of the, well, the Chiefs get all the calls, and they get everything, and they get the benefit of the doubt here. And I just find myself wanting to see them win more because of all that,

just because it pisses off more people. Because no matter what, if this game is played exactly the way the previous Super Bowl was played or any of these, somebody's going to find something about the Chiefs. and they're going to bitch about it. Like, they are the team that has elicited all this bitching and moaning on social media, and I think it's fascinating. Like, I think it's wonderful.

I think it's great for the league, and it's great to piss off as many people as possible if you just keep on winning. That seems to be the status quo for your takes. I mean, you are a contrarian. You do like to go against... It's hilarious. Yeah, but you like to go against the grain,

you know, go against the flow a little bit. That's me. Yeah, and that's true. And I can understand that. Like, I think there's an element of appreciation that I have for Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. And what they're doing, historic in nature, because we haven't seen a team who's won back-to-back Super Bowls get to a third one like this. But even the fact that we're now going to see them potentially make history and winning it. And I think more so than that, it's just been the entirety of the run.

Like, as great as the Patriots were, they haven't had a run like this in, what, six years? Yeah. where they made it to every single AFC championship game? I mean, you're looking at what is something that we keep saying like, well, we'll probably never see this again. I don't know that we'll ever see this again.

I really don't. And I think it's a credit obviously to Patchman, Andy Reid, but it's also a credit to their front office. I think the job that they've done constructing a roster of guys that when you go and look out there and the mismatches that you can see on the field whether it's worthy in Hollywood Brown and their speed

or you look at a future Hall of Famer and Travis Kelsey, And then you look at guys like DeAndre Hopkins and Jujer Smith-Schuster, they've convinced to play those complimentary roles, those roles that it's not like going back to that 2017 where you had Wes Welker and Randy Moss, right, who were starting in that spot. You know, it wasn't like you had a lot of other guys

that were kind of supplementing in that, like DeAndre Hopkins could maybe make a case for being in the Hall of Fame with the way he's, as productive as he's been in his career as a wide receiver. But those guys are like an afterthought with all the different issues that you have to deal with. with Patrick Mahomes in this offense. So I'm excited to see, you know, both sides of this.

You know, what Figg Fangio does defensively to try to take away Patrick Mahomes, obviously in the passing game and Kelsey, but even just his ability to run. Like we kind of noticed that when the game is on the line, Mahomes is not afraid to make a play with his legs. And it feels like he kind of keeps that in his back pocket until they need it the most. And then he brings it out. It's effective.

And they end up winning in the end. Now, how is that you played for the Kansas City Chiefs? Is that fan base as obnoxious as the Eagles fan base can tend to be? Well, we were awful when I was there. Absolutely. In fact, you could probably give us a little credit for ultimately this leading to the success of the Kansas City Chiefs because it led to Andy Reid getting hired. Alex Smith came in his quarterback, which he got it to a point where they were a perennial

playoff team. And then they make the move to take the Holmes some years later. And then he gets them now over the top, not only to get to the AFC championship game, but to win. Super Bowls. I mean, an entirely different stratosphere.

But I think a lot of us from that 2012 team probably take credit for where the Kansas City chiefs are. No, but the fan base in and of itself

is awesome. They are some of the like most devout fans. They're not, you know, I would say they differ mightily from Philly. I mean,

they're not climbing light poles after big victories or slapping police horses on the ass after big victories. Yeah, because I had heard that you had kind of pissed some of the chiefs fans off

when you were in Kansas City. Just with, you know, not cleaning up after your dog or something like that. There was like an issue, like you pissed off the neighbor or something like that. You're going to bring up my dog how in the dead of winter when it was kind of a young puppy, you know, maybe had the runs for, you know, a stint of a week or two, having to go into the bathroom in a spot outside that was near like an air vent, you know, for the other person's house. I mean, how's your dog doing?

Tell a terrible about your dog. Hold on. Give me a shovel. I'll be back next segment. look you know just like is that the quarterback for the chiefs

and is that his dog yeah right under the vent I just you know I think that's that's fun you know I don't think that was very widely known outside of my neighbor next door

they were very kind about it they just simply asked can you not have your dog go to the bathroom in that spot it's right next to a ventilation system that we have

bringing fresher into the house and obviously their house smell like this wretched dog poops smell I was unaware of this because I was obviously at the facility for a long period of time. I was hard to get a hold of.

And, you know, different generations don't like the text. So they would try calling and then I'd try calling and just it was a game of phone tag for a few days. But apparently the stench built up quite a bit. Well, the gambling line, which is something we're going to discuss here very shortly. And another topic here, the gambling line has not moved. So no movement on draft Kings, Kansas City. So Jontz-Porter's not betting. Still a one and a half-point favorite.

Yeah, wonder who's got in the game. Who you got, Jontay? So we will keep you posted if that changes or whether or not Lee finds a home before the end of this show. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, filling in for Colin Coward here on the show. Coming up next here, though, we got another scandal. You just can't give players, you can't give people in sports nice things because they just ruin it for everybody. we've got the report and the details next for you here on FSR. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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We'll get into that for you here on FSR. I hear, again, 20 minutes from now with Ryan Music. We've got ourselves another scandal, potentially, in the world of sports, a gambling scandal, which just melt my heart. I mean, these stories, every time they come out, I can't help. It's right up your hours. I mean, just serving it up. Just serving it up. And it's the NBA again, because, of course, it is.

But don't worry, they're going to fix their problems with 10-minute quarters. That's something else that was thrown out there. But apparently this goes all the way back to, you know, the Jonte Porter stuff that took place. He got popped. Apparently, Terry Rozier of the, who's currently of the Miami Heat, was previously with the Hornets. And he was in a game that took place a couple of years back in which he started the game, but then left the game because he had some sort of an issue or an injury that popped up. He ended up missing the remainder of the season. But people noticed irregularities in

the betting that his points, rebounds, and assist total would finish far below where it was supposed to be at and what the trajectory was going to be. And there was a lot of people laying money on that. And so they've traced it back. The NBA has said that they found that Terry Rozier had nothing to do with this. He was not involved in anything like this because of course they did. But my question is, wouldn't you need direct line of communication from Terry Rozier to somebody placing these bets in order to know whether or not he actually gave insider information or insider trading to somebody that he was going to not play past the first quarter of that game. So bet the under on his totals. Like wouldn't you need that? It feels like this

is a bit far-fetched. In order to, I guess, like convict him to, kick him out to have like stone cold evidence. You think that if you've got the middleman and you've got any communication prior to the game that he's then feeding to this other group, wouldn't you say that's enough? Well, is there that information? And I would also say...

I don't know, man. You love this topic. That's why we're talking about this right now. But my point is, and there's nothing more than a gambling scandal that I like because I think it adds another layer to it. Look, when these guys in the NFL got popped because they were placing wagers while inside the trainers room on a college football game,

and the NFL freaked out and suspended him six games, and Calvin Ridley lost an entire season of his career because he was betting seven-leg parlayes. Everybody just, you know, immediately jumped a conclusion to say, oh, well, gambling is involved in the sport. Yeah, everyone's like just like, oh, well, you know, they're betting on these games. This is a stain on the sport. You can't let gambling companies in the sport and have stuff like this. What do you think?

It's like, no, these are rarities. This is a one-off. If Terry Rozier hit up somebody and said, by the way, I'm going to leave the first quarter of this game after about nine minutes. So bet the under on my totals for the game, then I would get it. But if all of a sudden Terry Rozier had a conversation with somebody that he didn't know was in conversation with a scumbag that worked at a gambling site that was trying to fix games or fix lines and just. said, yeah, my foot's been bothering me. I'm going to try and give it a go, but I may leave early tonight. There's no saying that Terry Rozier knew that he was giving information that was going

to cause people laying money on these games. And I just, like, just because these guys are involved doesn't mean they know the scumbags that are around them that are trying to get insider information. I do appreciate that you're laying it out there to protect him. I do appreciate that. Yes. I do think there's probably enough evidence, though, if they're doing an investigation. And yes, it's circumstantial, but they can connect the dots, you know, as far as when these phone calls, when these texts, when this communication happened, and then how it impacts that particular game and the activity that's associated with it.

I mean, this all came about, too, right? Because the folks that were a part of that Jean-Saint-Porter end up connecting all this to Terry Rozier as well, right? It's the same group, and it had that same uptick and activity that led them to think this. I think there's a bigger conversation here in regards to just all of professional sports. Because this is kind of the bed that every single professional sports league has made for themselves. And now they have to lay in it. I mean, at this point, we're relying more on the feds. But really, all these professional sports leagues should do a much better job of governing this, you know, with their players, at least as best they can.

And I think it's understandable why you have to give some of these players the death sentence, you know, if they are to stumble. because you can't allow the integrity of whether it's the NBA, the NHL, the NFL, whatever professional sport you're talking about. You can't allow that to impact what has been a cash cow for a lot of these casinos or books and their sponsorships and the more they're getting ingrained into each one of these leagues. And so if it's thought that there's something going on or some sort of funny business, it's going to take away from the consumer altogether. And that's going to hurt all parties involved.

So I think the greater concern for me is, you know, there's certain sports that it's probably a little easier to have that sort of impact and to be able to hide it. You know, basketball is one that's kind of interesting that it's going that way. And there was a college basketball one that was investigated. Now, I think they're still investigating some of that as well. But I think that's the bigger conversation what this is. It's not even the investigation by the feds in this case. Usually if the feds are investigating, they've got something. To me, it's more of like, well, what's the response from these people?

professional sports leagues because they have to do a much better job of building up trust with their fan bases that this isn't happening more often than maybe you're leading on to believe like you're saying all this is a rare circumstance how do we know that how do you know that i mean yours a big degenerate gamble or anything yeah i'm just why we call out names here on the show i'm just called it how it is um i just think that if we sit here and worry about you know every bet that goes wrong and some and a lot of people one of the article I read that pointed out that well people were complaining on social

media about all there's something weird going on this is fishy because I bet the over on Terry Rozier it's like all right if we're going to let social media behavior and people complaining about bets dictates which I can't stand by the way I can't stand when people complain

and sports books give back the bet because well so on there was money that came in on somebody's point total for the game and they got hurt two minutes into the game. Tough balls. That's the way this stuff goes. You don't know what's going to happen.

There's no guarantees. And if a guy gets hurt early, you shouldn't get your money back. You just got to wear it. I had to do it for years and years. Is what it is. I don't sit here and worry about, well, God, you know, so-and-so could be fixing a game here. So-and-so could be fixing a game there.

I think it's plausible that there's a lot of people that may have connections that maybe these players don't even know about. So when they're telling somebody, here's how I'm feeling. I don't know if I'm going to finish the game. they may not know that that's going back to some gambling syndicate or some gambling ring that's going to, you know, fix games or go in that direction. I just don't, I'm not paranoid about it. Like the NFL, I think even kind of acknowledged that when they lowered the suspension on some of those games or some of those players to, well, listen, they were suspended six games. We're going to reduce it to two.

I just think that people don't understand the difference between a player gambling and a player fixing. games. Like a player walking by and playing a slot machine at the Super Bowl in Vegas last year would have resulted in them getting punished. Why? It's got nothing to do with fixing the game. It's just gambling. And there's a Harris down there in New Orleans.

If you don't think people are going by, potentially popping in there for a second. At least there used to be a Harris. Yeah, I think it's not that far from the hotel, by the way. It's a Caesar. I think it's Cesar's. I think it's Cesar's where you'll be posted up. And then Lee might be living there for all we know based on the whole living situation. Right.

Look, it's a good point you bring up in regards to the involvement of a player as part of this. But we also can't allow players to be that naive and to be giving up their health information to individuals that are outside of the organization and potentially connected to stuff. I mean, does it not come off as a little bit fishy? I mean, can we not expect players to be smarter about how they go about passing along that sort of information? Yeah, I just, maybe I give. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit because I would assume that if you're Terry Rozier and you just signed a four-year $96 million deal, and that's not the only money you've made in your career,

that why would you need whatever the percentage is on a parlay to get back? That's what doesn't make sense. You know, I mean, the Otani situation, which you defended Otani the entire way. You're saying there's no way. It was all his interpreter. There's no way he laid all those bets. That's right.

You had his back the entire way. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I just say, so I understand the point you're making. There's a difference between someone who's legitimately out there throwing a game, right? Missing throws, missing shots, not giving effort, whatever the case may be. I mean, hell, if you go back to, was it a UMass? It was the team that was kind of rumored to be potentially investigated for, you know, some of their pace of play, whereas their first half, overs, hundreds in different lines

because of the way they played in the first half or second half. And believe, again, excuse me if I'm wrong with the team that I'm throwing this. Arizona State was also another one as well too, I think. Yeah, there's been a couple of teams in the past that have had, you know, stuff like that pop up. Right. But the general point is there's a big difference between someone being actively involved and merely passing along information. Like, I understand that.

That's probably one of the reasons why there's going to be an investigation by the league and they're going to, you know, punish based on that. But again, you still have to err on the side of doing something that's going to create so much fear in the minds of all those athletes, coaches included, by the way, in front office executives, that it's going to force them to change their behavior and change their way of giving out that information openly.

Whether it's to family, friends, loved ones. I mean, again, when we first met, I had no idea the depths of the gambling and the type of stuff that you're willing to place wages on. That's right. You've been betting on high lie, cricket over in India at various times of the day. Yeah, the New Delhi Daredevils.

I don't even know if they're still around anymore, but yeah, that used to be a big, big cash grab all the time. Yeah, exactly. So I had no idea the depths at which this went. And it's where I kind of had to adjust to be like, I have to be more guarded with the information that I pass along to you. In particular about, for example, where my dog, my dog I used to have, where it used to go to the bathroom.

Yeah. In previous location. Well, it was also like one of the cute moments during COVID, all these clowns or the in-law say Paiasos and all these cry babies that are like, there's no sports on TV. What am I going to gamble on? Dude, there's horse racing in Japan all the time. They don't even run the right way. They're running in the opposite.

You could still get down on that. Right? Turn on TVG. You know, like grow a pair and start betting on some of these events. Like there's options out there. If you can gamble on it, you can gamble on it. And by the way, you mean to tell me a player at the Super Bowl has never one time walked by the Gatorade bottle before

and looked inside the Gatorade bottle before and looked inside the Gambling. Gatorade jug and told one of his buddies back home, hey, by the way, it's purple this year. And the guys, that's why you put limits on bets so that you understand some people are going to color outside the lines. You get it. But if you put a limit on the bet,

you're not losing your ass if somebody cashes in because they've got, quote, unquote, insider information. I think the problem is, you've let too many gambling virgins into the room behind the velvet ropes, and they have no idea how to act, and they freak out and get annoyed when other professionals,

know exactly what they're doing. That's the issue. That's the issue. What's you think about that? Yeah, I would have put an exclamation point on that. You're not wrong. I've always heard, like, the national anthem. It's usually like the worst kept secret.

Yes. With rehearsals, how it's going to hit and be timed out. But I don't know. Look, maybe I see it different. I feel like you're more passionate about this. Music, I don't know. Are you a degenerate gamble? Gamble line?

I am not. I am not. Yeah. Not really something. I know Lee loves like scratchoffs and some of those pole tabs you see in bars sometimes. I don't know he does that sort of gambling. Yeah, Lee's, I don't even know where Lee is right now.

Lee's apartment shopping right now, I think. Yeah, Lee's on Realture.com right now. Look at it. Let's all pitch in and get Leah's shopping cart. Oh, yeah. He can sleep in that for a little bit. Oh, Lord. Yeah, well, you know, good luck, Lee. Good luck on that and happy house hunting.

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Let's go here. Let's finish it off. Let's go. Let's go strong here. All right. Dak Prescott, CD Lamb, they're both under contract for the Cowboys for the long term. However, Star Passhrisher, Micah Parsons, he's looking for that new deal. Executive Vice President, Stephen Jones, here's what he had to say about the two-time all pro. Quote, I don't think anyone's ever underestimated Micah's value in terms of what he can bring. I don't want to get into the details, but obviously, Micah is an important part of what we're about. I mean, obviously.

Was that stating the obvious? I'm sure they'll handle this smoothly and, uh, oh, yeah. They'll be drawn out or, yeah, they'll make a fiasco of this whole thing. Well, the good thing is they made sure not to let it get down to the wire to where they're going to have absolutely no leverage. Oh, wait, Micah Parsons. Yeah, definitely coming up on the end of his deal. And so once again, I don't know why. Jerry and the Cowboys.

The only one who ended up getting paid early was Ezekiel Elliott, which wasn't the right move. And now every other player, I guess technically they kind of paid CD early. Maybe that's why. Yeah, I don't know. For their standards. Here's the thing that doesn't make any sense.

Is of the three positions that we're talking about, the quarterback, the wide receiver, and the edge rusher, those are the three that like, those are your cornerstones of how you build a roster. You figure that you would go to those guys early rather than late, and if there was one position that you wouldn't give a deal too early, it'd be the running back position. I mean, look, give Jerry Jones credit. You know, when everyone else is zigging, they're zagging. But this is not worked out.

We're supposed to give him credit for that. Are you sure? I just don't know. There's something to be said for it, man. I mean, he's kind of lived his whole life like that, right? Even how he made his money initially. I think he said that in Landman, something like that. That's right.

That's right. I just don't get it. I don't understand it. It seems so obvious that that's what you would do, except they take the opposite approach. It seems so obvious if you really wanted to keep Mike McCarthy around, get a deal done. No, we're just

going to let them walk and then we'll try and scramble and then sell everybody on Brian Schottnheimer. I just they continue to amaze me, and I think we're just at the point, and I said it this week. I don't think you can take them serious as a Super Bowl contender. And I say that as somebody who had to wear it

this year, because I actually picked them to go to the Super Bowl. Oh, no. Joe. Yes. They said they were all in. What do you want me to do? Maybe he meant something else. Oh, no. I'm just speculating.

I will ask this, though. Are we getting to the point, though, where, like, forget about taking them seriously as a Super Bowl team. Are we getting to the point where you're just like, if you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, are you losing all faith in where this thing is heading? Oh, yeah. Based on who's there. I mean, it just, it feels like we're venturing to that part where there's a lot of die-hard Dallas Cowboys fans. There's a lot of things that work, you know, the tour. that are daily around the facilities in the stadium,

all these things, I'm not sure that they're going to be able to drum up the excitement that this organization once used to be able to create. Did you guys ever talk about, so this was some months ago, the Athletic did a fan of, did a survey of cowboy fans? And they did the results.

So here was one of the questions. It was, how do you feel about the team going forward? forward and it was like overwhelmingly negative. Here it is. So this was heading into this season. Will the Cowboys reach the Super Bowl in the next five years? Fans generally tend to be irrational and positive about their team.

Over 78% no. The next five years, not this year, not the next five years, Cowboy fans were asked, will you get to a Super Bowl? Is that an indictment on DAC as much as it is on Jerry Jones? Sure. I mean, yeah, I mean, top to bottom. And I think it's also, they've just been down this Jerry Jones path

before to where he sells and sells everybody on Hope and we're the Dallas Cowboys and I'm doing all these interviews and I'm doing like, you know, come to me for a great clip and a great quote. And then it's the end of the year and they're either a one and done in the playoffs or they're completely mismatched against the team like the Niners, like

every year. And especially in that division, dude, like Washington might have the next superstar quarterback. Philly's not going anywhere. It doesn't matter who's the coach. Even if they have a down year, three years later, they're in another Super Bowl. If the Giants could just figure it out,

Dallas, like, you're looking at them going, no, you're just going to be status quo. They're a 9 to 10 win team tops every year, and maybe they'll squeak into the postseason. It just, that's where they feel like they're at now. But they are America's team, so that's what matters most. That's, Jerry gets

his business figured out. And music, I know, this and the good thing about this is that music is good friends with Skip Bayliss and so Skip's been very distraught about just where the organization is at as well too. Absolutely. Yeah. Everything you just said in that statement was 100% true and factual.

Definitely, definitely. No lies told there. Okay. Well, when we're going to make our way from that to something that did occur was aFC championship game, obviously a lot's been made about the fourth down spot for Josh Allen on his quarterback sneak. pick your poison fixes in

refs making bad calls why do chiefs always get the calls everybody's been all over this not sure exactly where you guys stand but I can tell you exactly where James Cook the bill's running back stands here's what he had to say about some of these calls quote at the end of the day you've got to come in ready to go blank that ref blank you got to come in there be ready to play don't give the ref nothing to call

ref nothing to call. So James Cook letting it be known, you shouldn't leave it in the hands of the referees. Look at that. It wasn't the refs fault. I like that. Look at that. I'll be honest with you. It was one of the things I told my daughters.

I literally said to them because we were watching the game. They went to bed and they asked me the next morning. I said, well, there was some controversial calls. And I was like, there's a lesson here. It's do not let the game be close enough where the officials can impact the game. And so I was like, if you're going to win, win big. Otherwise, you can't complain about what happens with the officiating. I just think if you're a Bills fan, it's over, dude.

Like, you listen, you lost the game, you had your opportunities. Well, no, I'm not saying in general. I'm just saying... Oh, this season. Yeah, you just, like, you had your chances. Like, it's not like that was the one play or, well, it's a fourth down spot. Like, as we said, there's 12 and a half minutes left in the game. What happened after that?

Like, you know, Dalton Kincaid, you know, probably should have had that ball. He didn't. Like, just, there's been moments. There were other fourth downs that got stopped. I was going to say, I do appreciate the final play. All the quarterbacks on social media, pointing out what Josh Allen should have done with two free rushers.

It's like, okay. Was it Shakir? Oh, yeah, Shakir right over there. It's like, dude, he's got guys breathing down his neck. He can't breathe. Well, this is what he should have done with the protection. This is why it's, okay, just take a seat. Like, take this playoff.

Take this one off, okay. Damn. We'll wrap up with this. Some pettiness, some drama out of the NFL. Liam Cohen, your new head coach in Jacksonville for the Jacksonville. Jaguars. Trying to fill out his coaching staff.

And, well, he'd like to bring over some of his buddies that his former co-workers down in Tampa Bay. Here's the problem. He had a bit of a sketchy exit from Tampa Bay. And the Buccaneers are now saying, no thanks. We're not here to help. He's requested interviews to bring over two different coaches from the Tampa Bay staff to join him with the Jaguars.

And the Buccaneers have officially blocked those requests. So some. bad blood, if you will, still between the Buccaneers and Liam Cullen after his exit. It matters how you leave, right? We talk about this all the time. So, Lee, remember, when you break up after this condo actually sells. Duval.

It matters, all right, how you break up with her. If you don't want the rest of your clothes, your shirt's training the crop tops, okay? Yeah, Lee, just say Duval the way he did. It should be a smooth sailing after that. Duval. That's just brutal, man. It's too bad Jacksonville doesn't play Tampa next year.

This is why the NFL shouldn't announce schedules that far in advance. Flex out bad blood games and flex in, you know, some other stuff that you need to. But like get us, get us that matchup next year. It would be fun. But hey, Brady. See you in New Orleans, babe. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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