The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The 49ers are getting old

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

The 49ers have become an old and brittle team that must decide what they're going to do with QB Brock Purdy Thoughts on Bears QB Caleb Williams so far this season More on possibly Deion Sanders going to the NFL   Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio. or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. So there's a lot of things to talk about. One of the things J. Mack and I were arguing about yesterday has had Brock Purdy secured a contract for the 49ers because this is getting to be an old, brittle team and they're going to move off some people. Now you've got to pay Brock Purdy or will they?

Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback joining us now live. So let's start with that. You know, when do they have to pay him? And is your feeling he has earned a contract? Because these are big decisions for an older team now where that salary cap, they're going to have to move off guys like potentially Kittle who's still a very good player. Yeah, and they've certainly mortgage contracts. We see teams do this when they're in the window to win where over the next couple of years,

there's probably going to have to be a reset year where they just take their medicine and there's going to be a hole in the roster because they are moving off some of those guys. So, you know, certainly like with your kiddles, with your Devo Samuels, with your Trent Williams, age, mileage comes into play. And, yeah, I mean, like, then the question becomes, okay, like, can we move into this next phase with Brock Purdy able to be the guy who can fix things, who can fill holes. And we saw it happen with Patrick Mahomes a couple of years ago. They sort of moved into the

Mahomes 2.0 era when they traded Tyree Killaway and they've won two Super Bowls in the two years since. Josh Allen, same thing. We've gone through those names, Colin, Michael, hi, Jordan Porter, Tradavius White, Stefan Diggs, Mitch Morris. All those guys are gone in one off season. And Josh Allen now has the bills at eight and two and having beaten the Chiefs at home. So, you know, like, your big question is going to be going forward whether or not Brock Purdy can be that guy for you. Now the diners, you know, have been preparing to pay them. They still have another year left on his contract after this one, so they could go into the contract year.

But we saw how complicated that got in the past with guys like Kirk Cousins and Dax. So, you know, the plan all along has been to pay him during the 2025 offseason. I don't have any indication they moved off of it, but certainly the implication of that, again, sort of relates to the question of whether or not Brock Purdy can be the guy that Josh Allen has been for the bills this year and getting to, I think I had the record that wrong there. I think it's nine and two, not eight and two, whether or not he can be to the Niners. What Patrick Mahomes has been to the chiefs the last three years since trading Tyree. Okay.

We said owners are getting more impulsive. I wouldn't have fired Robert Salah. They did. firing a general manager before Thanksgiving Joe Douglas, who, yes, he missed during the COVID era on a quarterback. That quarterback class ended up being a bunch of whiffs. So I don't think that's a fireable offense. I know Mackay Beckton didn't work out, but he's got a lot of hits.

But what led to Joe Douglas getting fired this early? Was the line for Belichick? Was it ready to fire aim, right? Is that it? It just feels like that's where the organization is and has been. And I can give you a million examples of the decision-making being scattershot and all over the place, and one thing not lining up with the other, and that's how this entire year is gone. And it's the way the Jets have operated for a long time, if we're being honest about it.

There's an ownership problem there. And how the owner runs the team is an issue. The people who have worked there over the years have always felt like he's got this crew of non-football people around him that are way too involved in football decision-making. He's too sensitive to what's said on social media, and every new general manager and every new coach that goes in there believes, I'm going to be the one that fixes it. I'm going to be the one that changes the culture.

And we've even heard Aaron Rogers himself complain about this, you know, about the climate in that building. And it came to get two more guys this season. And if you want to talk about the timing of it, Colin, we'll think about this, okay? So Devante Adams was clearly available earlier in the season. and yet the Jets hadn't made a hard offer until after they fired Robert Sala, right? So you're two and three at that point. You fire Robert Sala, you're playing for first place in the division.

After you fire Sala, that's when you make the move to go and get Devante Adams, right? So how does any of that match up? You weren't in on him at all before, or you had at least not been involved enough to make an offer before. and now all of a sudden you're willing to give up a third round pick that can become a second round pick to get him after firing a coach. Is that a football move? Yeah. Or is that about changing some sort of narratives that's out there or just making people in the building feel better? Like it's scattershot, it's all over the place. And I think that's where this is. Yeah, I think Joe Douglas for some time has been resigned to his fate. People have been around him,

say that about him that he was in a pretty dark place after Robert Sala was fired. And, you know, I think pretty clearly the problems here are much bigger than one person. And so is it weird timing? Is this all a little bizarre? Sure it is. But that's what the Jets have been for some time. There would be a market. Sam Darnold's going to have a market.

Aaron will probably have a market. Daniel Jones will land somewhere. That's a very weak quarterback class. I want to ask you about Deion to Dallas. So listen, the Kansas City Chiefs now, it's official. like the last 50 highest-rated NFL games, the chiefs have been in a majority of them. They are now America's team.

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I do think if Shadour, if Dallas loses to Washington this weekend will, and of the Giants, which is possible at home on Thanksgiving, You start looking at these schedules. They could end up with the number one pick. I think they're going to, I'm dead serious. I think they're going to draft Shadoor Sanders. They'll have to pay Dax's contract. But Dack, at that number, I just think the organization needs a rock star coach and a rock star quarterback to get out of this mess.

Does that sound crazy to you? What do you hear? Yeah, I mean, they definitely dragged their feet on the DAC contract and they wound up paying the price for it as they did the first time around. So the idea of resetting a quarterback, certainly something that's come up in that organization while Dak Prescott's been there. So, like, I don't think you're completely coming out of left field to have that opinion.

I would say this, if you're going to draft a quarterback that high, Colin, I just, like, I think part of the lure of drafting a quarterback that high is having the advantage of having the guy on a rookie deal. And with Dak's number being what it is, and the cap implications being what the, they are, you'd basically be taking that advantage that you would have in building around Shador Sanders and cutting it off at the knees. Now, if you tell me, like, over the next couple of years, there's going to be a gradual move off of Dak Prescott. I could buy that.

I think in this one-year snapshot, unless you think Shadur is super-duper special. And, you know, the feedback I'm getting is that he's a good, not great prospect, that I just don't know that the juice is worth the squeeze here. Now, if it's part of it. landing Dion Sanders, maybe that's something a little bit different. Because, you know, like, it looks pretty clear now that they're going to be looking for their next head coach. And I think they will cast a wide net, you know, just as far as, like, looking at different ideas and different things to fill that. And Dion, I think, like, I mean, look, like, I think he would need strong infrastructure around him. Like, I think he would need a strong

group of assistant coaches around him. And after some of the things that happened in Colorado the last couple of years, is he going to be able to attract that kind of step? I think that's an open question because he did make some staff changes on the fly, as he was building that thing up. But if you feel like he can put the right staff around him to win at the NFL level, well, I mean, you know, like a lot of the reasons why Dan Campbell succeeded, which are like his ability to capture the imagination of the young player and emphasize fundamentals and build an old school culture,

like Dion's done a lot of those things, you know, at Colorado. and I think he would immediately have the attention of everybody in that building. And I would agree with you on this. That was an ugly night on Monday for Dallas. I mean, I don't think the Texans even played that well. I think the Texans would tell you they didn't play that well. And they still won by 24 points. And that was on national TV, and you and I both know Jerry pays attention to that part of it.

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Okay, Caleb Williams, last four games, 0 and 4, no touchdowns, no picks. He's eliminated some of the mistakes. Shane Waldron's exit. Actually, they schemed up some layup passes. The pacing was better, got rid of the ball quickly, it looked better. Where are they on Caleb Williams? Where do you think they are on this whole experiment year one? Yeah, I think like they are where they were two weeks ago, you know, which is, you know, he's not as far along as they would have hoped at this point.

And a huge part of that is coming from where he came from, which, you know, look, like, you know, using cadence as a weapon, being able to make protection adjustments at the line, being able to make route adjustments at the line, commanding the huddle, like all those things. there's a big learning curve for Caleb Williams there. And that's not really his fault because he wasn't really asked to do those things at USC. And so I think like what you saw in some of the effort that was made was like let's make things easier on him from the start. And under Shane Waldron, a lot of that stuff wasn't working. It was, well, why don't we roll him out and get the ball out of his hand faster? Well, if you do that, then you're taking his playmaking ability away because you're cutting off half the field. Okay, well, if we drop them off, if we drop him back, like can we, you know, create situations where he is going to be unloading the ball faster than that?

Well, you know, like you saw in certain circumstance where he was off his first read too quick and that would come open so he wasn't being patient enough. He was, you know, like he, in other cases he hung on too long to his first read. He wasn't throwing the guys who were NFL open because they weren't college open. You know, there are all those sorts of things happening. And I just think they had to sort of restore confidence in them and having a different voice. I think and Thomas Brown helped. You know, using the screen game helped. And getting them in a position where it's like,

okay, like if this isn't there, just tuck it and run, that helped too. So I think it was a good short-term solution, whether it's sustainable for the rest of the year. You know, certainly is an open question. But going forward, I think, you know, they've got to draw this roadmap for Caleb Williams, whether it's Matt Deber Fluss and his staff in charge or someone else, as if, you know, there still is a long way to go

because that's the reality of the situation. What are they going to do? I want to talk Russell Wilson for a second. You know, they're paying a nickel for him. And let's face it, he doesn't turn the ball over. I mean, he's hyper optimistic. This is the most deep ball friendly the offense has looked in three years, and they've got, you know, Mike Williams and Pickens. He's a pretty darn good fit for a team the last couple years with Ben,

Trubisky, Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph. It was kind of a mess. Would they re-sign him? I mean, they got him free this year. Do you think they would sign him and secure him for a couple years? I don't think it's going to happen right now. You know, I think it's based on the toll age has taken on him athletically. I think they would much rather see the way the rest of the year plays out

and make a determination after him. through that. Now, I will say, like, I think, like, you know, again, his ability to buy into what they're doing with him is really a huge part of what's made this work. And I think a lot of the hard one-on-one conversations he and Arthur Smith have had in making this work. And the hard truce that they've been over have been huge for him, you know? And so I think he understands now what he needs to be to make this work. And it's a lot of the stuff that that he did well in Seattle. And so he's not going to, you know, drop back and have the whole field open to him. They're going to roll him out and move him and marry the run game to the passing game and try to get the ball

out of his hands quick. Like all of those things have worked for him. You know, I think if you're talking about resigning him, then, you know, we're talking about what he's going to look like at 37 years old, what he's going to look like at 38 years old. And I think that the Steelers would probably rather get a full look of what a full season at 36 years old looks with him in there, you know, before they wind up making any sort of move for the future on signing him long-term quarterback. Certainly been a good story. All right.

Albert Brear Monday morning quarterback is always good seeing you, bud. All right, thanks, Colin. Did you notice, Jay Mack? I did not ask him about Bo Necks because you get all sensitive when I like to remind America that I think Sean Payton and I'm dead serious. I think he thinks he got the best quarterback in the draft, and I'm not just saying that. You know, I know Sean, I like Sean.

I absolutely believe he told me he thinks his arms better than all the pundits think. We know he's athletic. He's way more athletic. His accuracy was great high school college pros. Dad was a coach. I think Denver's got themselves a little Drew Brees. We'll see. What's interesting is, like, okay, he had a great week.

against the Falcons, we get it, they stink. But he's getting accolades from all corners right now. You're leading the charge. Let's see how he performs against the Raiders. I think they got the Raiders this week, right? Let's see if there's any regression. Okay. Or he maybe doesn't show up. Haven't been much

of that in the last five, six weeks. Yeah, we'll see if there is this week. No, right. Drake May or Boenix? Boeux. Okay. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

This. You know, we should do that. We should do that game. That drives people nuts. You love that game. The Bow Nix or Blank. Yeah. I don't mind being wrong on that.

Bo Nix or Blank. I think we got a window tomorrow. We could probably squeeze that in. How about Bo or no Bo? That could work. Look at you. Right in headlines now. Impressive.

So listen, I know I'm a Giants hater because I like the Jets, but you will like this. So the Giants have officially benched Daniel Jones in favor of backup, well, third stringer Tommy DeVito. And they got the bucks this week. Well, Dexter Lawrence, was not a fan on the move, Colin, saying Jones is the best quarterback on the team, adding teams lose games, not just one player. So there's now dissension among the ranks in the locker room.

Jordan Schultz has chimed in saying there is disappointment among Giants players about how the Daniel Jones situation unfolded. The players are aware that the benching was a financial decision. Colin, Joe Shane and Brian Dable continue to step in it. We'll see. We'll see what's going on. I guarantee you Jones does not take another snap this season. I will make...

They added Tim Boyle, by the way. Did you see that? They added Tim Boyle, so they have four quarterbacks. Daniel Jones is like the emergency, only super-duper emergency quarterback at this point. Well, their season's over. Yeah. But unlike the Jets, I think they have a coach for the future, and he's an offensive one. They have a left tackle for the future.

The Jets don't. They have a superstar number one receiver. The Jets don't. The Jets do? Garrett Wilson? He's pretty good. Bruce Hall? Number one running back? Devante Adams still pretty darn good. Don't have a coach. Don't have a left tackle for the future.

We're shopping for coaches. We fired our guys. We got Fibodeau on the edge, Dexter Lawrence. Oh, is he coming off IR this week? You sure Brian Daibel is going to survive this? Are you sure? Go ahead. I mean, you know what's amazing about this? Everybody always worries in like baseball about, oh, the big markets and then the NBA. It's all the stars only go to the big cities.

The New York teams are terrible. They're the worst. Chicago terrible. I mean, like, now, it's really funny about the NFL. It's like, you know who's good? Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, Green Bay. What's great about the NFL is nobody cares about market size. Anybody can win.

Green Bay has been better. I mean, if you looked at the winning. Well, anybody but the jet size. The last 30 years, the winningest teams, it's crazy. Our Baltimore, Green Bay, Kansas City. Philadelphia is a big market. But New England was a dead franchise pre-Bradie, and that's going to go downhill. but it's a lot of these Baltimore, Kansas City, Green Bayes.

So who you got in Bucks at Giants? Giants five and a half. I'll take the Bucks. This may appear Friday. You like the Bucks? I didn't say that. Well, I know you're not picking the Giants. You haven't picked him in three years on this show.

And you know something about that Tom. Maybe it's time. That Tommy DeVito. I got to be honest with you. I thought that story was hilarious. Yeah. It may not have been interesting in Jacksonville. You know, or Minnesota.

There was something about Tommy DeVito and his agent in New York that was such great TV. And I thought he could play a little bit. I thought he was okay. Remember they took down the Packers? Was it Monday night football? He was okay. Okay. Let's move on.

Kevin Stefansky, Colin, coming off his second NFL coach of the year award. But they are a train wreck right now. The Browns are 2 and 8. And there's some chatter about whether or not Stefansky is on the hot seat. I'm curious what you think. But here's what Stefanski had to say about that. You grew up listening to WIP. 610 WIP.

You're 2 and 8. Your name's shown up on hot seat list in the media. How do you feel going into this stretch of Pittsburgh, Denver, Pittsburgh? I think probably because I grew up listening to that, I'm smart enough to not worry about outside noise. I get that's part of this gig. That's life in the big city. My sole focus is getting this team ready to get it. win on Thursday night.

Well, they've had Schottenheimer and Belichick and they weren't satisfied with either. Now they have Stifan... Cleveland's got a way of missing on quarterbacks and running off legendary coaches. I would take Stifansky in a heartburn. One second. Instantly. Like, bring him in the interview, don't let him leave the facility.

One second. Yeah, he's a great coach. Outstanding. Well, you know what? This is what Cleveland does. They had Marty. Didn't they have Marty Schottnheimer for a while? I swear they did.

Probably, yeah. Yeah. And they had Belich. They did at Belichick. Could have had Mahomes. They also had the Freddie Kitchens. That didn't work out. Freddie bathrooms.

Oh, boy. Sorry, sorry, that was harsh. That was unnecessary. That's a yellow card for me. Final story is, let's go to the NBA. Cleveland Cavs were hot, 15 and O. Well, they went to Boston last night. England was a pretty good game, and they lost.

My guy, Jason Tatum, who you now love, right? Jason Tatum, MVP type night, 33, 12, and 7. Cavs get their first loss of the year. Cavs still showed, well, they were down 21. I, like an idiot, bet this game, and the Celtics did not cover it. I don't care what anybody says. I like these colored courts in-season tournament. I think they look great.

Yeah. My daughter was watching Lakers game with me last night. She said, why is the court yellow? What's going on? I was like, it's the NBA Cup. I think it's a great idea. It does make it feel special. Definitely.

It's smart marketing by the NBA. If you put the Masters on some course in a, you know, some suburb course in Wyoming. It wouldn't feel as special as Augusta. Environment matters. You know? And I'm sorry, but when I watch these NBA games and the courts colored, I'm like, oh, this game matters.

Single elimination NBA Cup. I got to watch it. I like it. Cavs actually look pretty good. Donovan Mitchell is a machine. This Cavs team might be the third best team in the... Oh, they are. Celtics.

Nicks. Caves. I don't think there's any question. Bucks and Sixers have fallen off. Well, the Bucks was predictable because of their age. The Sixers dysfunction. I'm watching that getting closely tonight. I mean, listen, man, 2 and 11,

Maxie calling out and B. There's some fun stuff going on there. You know, it's bad because you and I shouldn't root for dysfunction. It should make me feel like less of a person, but it doesn't. I find myself rooting for tire fires. Yeah, you want to come into work and know,

oh, there's a couple tire fires here. I can cherry pick it. I mean, everybody else drives down the road. You see an accident as long as long as, everybody's okay, you kind of look over there a little bit. In sports, we're kind of, you know, as long as nobody's hurt, you're kind of looking over there going, oh boy.

And Philadelphia's got all the makings of you have a star, he's jaun at fans, he gets a lot of money, he's getting defensive, a teammate, you know, pushes back on him. Like it's got all the dimensions, it checks all the box

of a massive mess. Whereas, like, Milwaukee's just old. Yeah. That's not a mess. That's just, and I can see them making a move, but that's not Milwaukee. he's not fascinating. They just got old over the last two years. Well, I was just thinking a lot of the messes are in big markets. The Jets are a mess in New York. The New York Giants are a mess. Well, because

the media is louder. Yes. Like I've always said the advantage, L.A. teams are pretty good. I mean, everybody bangs on USC, but they'll make a bowl. You know, I mean, the Rams and the chargers are viable teams. The Lakers look like one of the hot teams in the league. And one of the advantages, I think, in Los Angeles is the media for a large market media is less angry. Well, I mean, I've always theorized this. Some of its weather, it's hard to be angry in Los Angeles. It's

73 degrees most days. Not the last week, but yes, mostly it's the weather's great. And it's a city that's spread out so you can go hide and do your own thing. There's no reason to be angry out here. Just get very laid back and chill. California cool. By the way, Marty Schottnheimer, of course,

did coach with the Browns. Had a winning record, which was hard in Cleveland. They ran him out. Stefanski's a two time coach of the year with the Browns. If they ran him out, he would be hired in 15 seconds. I had a boss years ago that used to have a theory. It was a news boss, right? When I used to work in local news, and he always used to say, you always know when you have to let people go. You will know within a week if it's a good move. Because if somebody hires them, you're like, yeah, I made a mistake. Somebody hired him. And he goes, usually, he goes, in my career, I've made one

mistake where I let somebody go. I remember he told me it was a weather guy. He ended up going across the street and doing a really nice job for them for 10 years. He goes, but generally, if I let somebody go, ask yourself as a boss, will he get hired elsewhere? If the answer is yes, you know, you want to, as a coach, Stefansky, make it work. I got it. That just made me think about something. Go to his staff maybe and say we don't like the DB coach. Make it work. Well, I'm going to ask you, do you think Stefansky maybe wouldn't mind getting fired in Cleveland? Oh, I would. No. Right?

I think it's... I mean, it's just Sean Watson things. Is he coming back? Who's your guy next year? Is it Winston? I... There... Might not be the worst thing in the world to get fired.

Like, Robert Sala is probably like enjoying his November, right? You know what's funny about this? He's not dealing with this crap that's going on. In the NFL, you think certain jobs, they sound big. New York Jets. Terrible job. Dallas Cowboys. I'm stuck with Dax's $90 million cap hit next year.

So a lot of these jobs, whereas you look at Denver, and although the Russell Wilson Deadcap wasn't great, you have now the richest owners in the league, they're not real meddlers, I like their general manager, I think he does a good job, and you had the best corner in the NFL. Is that GM the same one who gave Russell

Wilson that day? Well, people make mistakes. Oh, yeah. Interesting. You know, we judge people too often on the floor, look at the ceiling. He's hit some big hits. I can pick apart Elon Musk, but it seems to

me. Can you please? Tesla, PayPal, Starlink, pretty successful, pretty high ceiling. Yeah. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Man, I can tell you, I know you own some like a soccer team or something in Peru or something, whatever it is? Mexico, thank you very much. I wouldn't want to be a coach for your team. You're going a two-game skit on the road, you're losing a shootout. Boom, out of here. No. Come, get rid of him.

We did just fire the coach. I think I told... Exactly. Well, no, no, they cratered at the end of the season. We missed the playoffs. Cratered? But what's crater look like to you? Not scoring and winless in like eight straight matches?

It's soccer. Not scoring. It's kind of a big deal in soccer. If you don't score, you're not winning. The average soccer game is 1-0. Can I get the 1-0 wins as opposed to the 1-0 losses? All about making the playoffs. You know that.

I'm telling you, Dionne to Dallas. It's percolating. Back in a second. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

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Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. By the way, speaking of small markets in the NFL that flourish, Buffalo and Kansas City this weekend. Got 31.5 million viewers. Small market Buffalo, small market Kansas City. Doesn't matter how much money you have in baseball like that. NBA, it's got to be an attractive market. Buffalo and Kansas City. People don't vacation in those markets very often.

People fly over those markets sometimes. Buffalo, Kansas City. Great fans, great markets, star quarterbacks. 31 million. That's amazing, and it points to what we really do believe about the NFL. They're not salary reliant or city reliant. It's just get me a great quarterback, give them a good coach. America's going to watch. It doesn't matter what size of the city it is. It doesn't matter. Joel Clatt earlier today, I said, listen, Joel Klatte went to Colorado, Deon's the coach at Colorado,

and I asked him about potentially the Cowboys hiring primetime. I asked him point blank last week on Friday. Do you want to go to the NFL? He said no. And he said, my purpose is to be a coach, but it is more so to mentor young men. And I don't believe I could do that as my calling and my purpose at the NFL level that I can, like I can do that at the college level.

Yeah, well, he's right. You don't have the pull. But I do think, I will say this, I used to always think that it was just as good to be a college coach as a pro coach. Even if you made a little less money, I thought you could control your personnel, you get time off in the summer. But about seven, eight years ago,

they created, maybe it was 10 years ago, a second signing period. Well, you're really, recruiting nonstop. And now the transfer portal, now you're recruiting your own players. So I think the pendulum has swung so far the other way, from players having no power to probably now having more power than pro football players that you can transfer anytime you want or mostly any time you want. So I don't think the experience, the quality of life is as good as a college football coach as it is in the NFL. The NFL also has tremendous pensions.

college football doesn't, right? Unless you get like a state pension. Some coaches do get that. Mike Bloddy at Oregon, I think, has that. Unless you get a state pension. So the NFL coaches make a little more. You don't have to deal with donors, school presidents, the NCAA. And now NFL coaches get a good month to five weeks where they can just relax with their family.

College football is brutal. You are recruiting your own players. You can lose your entire. offensive line can transfer tomorrow. That's why I think it's harder to build a great team in college football, even if you're Georgia or Texas, because you can't have any depth. Like Georgia has offensive line injuries or Ohio State has offensive line injuries. You don't have any depth because the offensive tackle, the backup left tackle,

Louisville comes in and buys him. What are you going to do? I mean, or, you know, Washington comes in and buys him. Syracuse buys your quarterback. All of a sudden, you're like, we got no depth. So I think it's for Ohio State and I think Jim Harbaugh saw this and got to the NFL. It is really hard in college football. Even Alabama, Texas, to have great depth.

Four and five-star guys at Texas are sitting behind four-and-five-star guys. They're not going to sit there for three years. They don't even want to sit there for one year. So, like, in Alabama, I mean, if you're a five-star corner and you're not getting major reps by the time you're sophomore, boom, you're leaving. You're going somewhere else. Somebody's paying you $400,000. So I think, I just think it's

harder. You can still win a bunch of games, but Georgia's not a great team. Texas isn't a great team. Alabama's not a great team. I don't think Ohio State's a great team. I think Oregon's the best team. I don't think they're a great team. But I think it's very, very difficult. Coaches are walking on eggshells. You want to get a rotation

so everybody plays, but the minute there's difficulty. And I like the NIL and I like the transfer portal, I just think it swung too much the other way. And this is what happens with the pendulum in life is that, I mean, when I used to work in local news, we'd have a real harsh news director and, you know, it was kind of intimidating and fire people and it would wear the newsroom out and then five years later, it would swing too much and you'd hire the nice guy. And everybody liked him, but he was like the substitute teacher and you needed the old guy kind of back.

And that's the way business works. The pendulum goes back and forth. So players had no power. Now, they have too much power. The transfer portals, the Wild Wild West. The NIL is, I mean, these college coaches are trying to be capologists and GMs, and they're just over their skis. I don't know what they're doing. All right. Prime time to the Cowboys.

Let's speak it into existence. That'd be fun. Get the Cowboys back on the national radar. Want to thank Joel Clat. Albert Breer. We'll see you tomorrow. Be safe. Live in Los Angeles.

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We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. Nice. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. and we don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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