The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The art of coaching in the NFL

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to tell Colin if he would consider coaching with Bill Belichick if he returns to the NFLSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Twelve NFL seasons. Super Bowl MVP when they beat the Rams. Julian Edelman is joining us Sundays on Fox NFL kickoff, and he's got, of course, games with names, new episodes every Tuesday. So, J-Mack just brought this up. J-Mack's always perceptive. He's always looking to the future, even though he's a Jets fan, Julian. He said, he goes, Belichick.

Rumors are Jacksonville. Yeah. What if Bill calls you and says, Edelman, wide receiver coach, I'll pay a force 50 a year, no state tax. Would you go? Absolutely not. He hasn't even come on my podcast yet.

I mean, what's going on, Bill? Come on. No, but on a serious note, I will never, I don't love coaching. And you've got to love coaching to coach under Bill. I mean, I remember seeing coaches at 8 o'clock. after two hours of treatment, after the workday, put in more time as a player.

You go out in the players lot where we all park and you see the coaches meeting with their families seeing them for the first time in the day at 8 o'clock before they have night meetings. Like, I'm not living that life. And Bill does that because that's what Bill did when he was young. That's what the coaches above him made him do. So, you know, it's a grind.

You have to learn the grind if you're coaching with Coach Belichick. Now, you can completely change. I don't want him to say, like, don't speak for him or anything, but that's what I saw. Yeah, no, I get it. Like, it's, I have come to terms with how my daughter and my son view the world and how I viewed it. I would work 70-hour weeks. They're hard workers, but my daughter's like, I'll never work in a cubicle. I'm not doing that.

And I'm like, I get it. The world changes. Definitely. And I think work has changed and how people work has changed also, where people, I think, where people, I think, guys use their time more effectively. And sometimes when you're in those old school systems, I remember seeing coaches in there. I'm like, what are you guys even doing in here?

You know, you guys are coming up with NASCAR names for certain plays. Like, that's what they do. I mean, but like, you know, a lot more effective and efficient working these days, I think. Let's go with Drake May. J-Mack liked him more than I did out of college. He's got a little bit of a Justin Herbert comp, though not quite as polished as Justin was with all those college starts at Oregon. What are you hearing? What do you see and what do you like with him?

You know what? I'm really impressed with how Drake May has been playing these last few weeks and continually improving. I was a little skeptical at first. You know, with Drake, is he too young? Does he not have enough reps? Is he too raw? And he's gone in there and he's made plays without an offense align. and I think that's been huge because I didn't think he could do that and the fact that they don't have anyone on the offense line David Andrews is their number one offense alignment

he's on IR he's one against that thing going they got a bunch of journey guys and that's the toughest thing for a young quarterback to get comfortable is when there's people on your lap and he's been able to deliver throws with people on his lap and he's progressed with his pocket presence and he's improving each week and I love

you know I heard Brian Horner talking about it his attitude, and he's out back east and he hears a lot more on the camp. And he's a guy that's the runt of four athletes, all boys, his mom's the best athlete in the family, he says. Like, he's known what it's been to get his teeth kicked in, and he's always had to probably fight for the scraps at the dinner table. And that's how he plays. And that's what he's done each week.

He gets his teeth kicked in weekly. You know, he's getting hit a lot. and he's still making plays, and we're seeing a lot more progression with Drake May than we're seeing with Caleb Williams. Yeah. So you were in a lot of big games, and a lot of times in the media, we view it as winner and loser. Kansas City Buffalo play.

Let's start with Kansas City. Is there any upside to losing to a primary rival? 100%, especially with the win streak that they had going. And it's good for the people that are new to the team and the younger players that have haven't really been there for everything. I remember when people used to come to New England, they thought it was all sunshine and rainbows. We're going to win no matter what.

We got this. We have this guy. We have that guy. But they didn't realize that we knew how hard it was to win in the National Football League. I guarantee Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Kelsey, they all know how important it, how hard it is to win this league. A lot of these new guys that come in here that think you could just slop it out there on the field, this is a recalibration for those guys. Like, hey, we're not invincible. You know,

we don't play our best game. There's a lot of good teams out here. Not a lot, but there's good teams that can beat us. So I think it's great to recalibrate the newer guys, the younger guys, to get them back to the standard. I'm sure, Patrick, and all the studs on the team hold throughout the year. How about for Buffalo? Now, they, it's funny, this is, not like Lamar against the Steelers. Buffalo beats Kansas and just not in January. Yeah. I think it's huge for them as well because you still have to remind yourself that they're beatable. You know, this isn't the playoffs. It can go completely different from here on out. Yeah. But it's still, it's great for the guys that, you know, Buffalo's been beat down a lot

over the years in important games and that could be tough and you can lose your confidence. and to go in and beat a team like the Kansas City Chiefs, who are the champs, two-time defending champs, a team that you struggle with, it doesn't matter when it is. If you can beat them, that's going to be a confidence booster for your team going forward, saying, hey, guys, this is what we preach this whole week.

We did it. We executed it. We executed our game plan, and look what it did. It put us in our best opportunity to go out and beat the champs. Now, if we continue this, we don't read the newspaper clippings, and we continue this, that's how we're going to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. So I think this is a great learning tool for them. So I'm going to throw something at you.

This is a long-winded question, but old-school coaches, sometimes as they grow, they still hold us onto some old-school stuff. So Belichick during COVID, he said, this is stupid. And he just kind of punted the season. Harbaugh did in college at Michigan. He just said, this is stupid. Guys like Bruce Ariens. No, I'm playing my starters in the preseason.

A lot of guys bail. No, I'm going to do that. Andy Reid will do that. So Mike Tomlin is unbeatable as a Monday night football coach, and he's great as a Sunday coach. He's abysmal as a Thursday coach, and I'm going to throw this at you. He's old school. He's like, listen, we're built on physicality, brutality, and I demand a lot for my guys. If you're taking away three days of rest, I'm not changing my identity for one thing.

Thursday game every two years. If we win, we win, I don't care, I'm punting it. It's useless. You don't have to go 17 and 0 in this league. We go in 12 games win the division. Is that they're so bad on Thursday. They're unbeatable. So when he gives his physical identity an extra

day rest, you're toast. On Sunday they kick your butt. My theory is Tomlin's old school, he's like, I'm not changing my protocol for some streaming game. Yeah. How were they that bad on Thursday? Well, I'll tell you right now, old school's not that.

Old school is we'll go anywhere, any place, any time, and we'll play your team. I guarantee that's probably what he preaches. But I think this all stems too. They've never been a fundamentally sound offense of team with Tomlin there. I mean, they got the back end of Big Ben when the offense was still unshaking. They had pick it. And then they had this. It's a lot of big plays.

A lot of big plays, but not like an execution style offense. They've never been that. Okay. So when we would approach a Thursday night game, we would always lean on the plays that we executed the best, no matter what. Could have been the most vanilla thing ever. We were going to simplify the game plan because there's no practice reps, but you're going to do plays that your guys, like, understand the best and execute the best.

And that's what we would do on our Thursday night games. I mean, I don't think I lost a Thursday night game because we were so fundamentally sound as an offense. And we were a smart football team that understood what we had to do to win this short week and this game and get out healthy. Did you like them Thursday games? You know, it's a love-hate thing. It's very tough when you get older to recover and get out there

and play at your highest level. But then you do get the baby by week at the end, so it is nice to have that. But, you know, everyone deals with it, so you have to do it. But I would say, you know, that goes back to the Steelers. They've never been like a high execution offense. You look at a lot of these teams when they go and play this Thursday night game, they're just put, they're calling plays that they know they can execute. There's no new wrinkle.

Let's just, I remember we would run Hoss Z-Juke, which was empty, because that was our fundamental play that it was the first install of empty that we ever played and we knew how to get open on every single coverage with that play like against the jets and they were always sloppy games but you did what you had to do to have more points at the end of the game than the other team and that's what you were most comfortable with executing if you won a thursday game would bellichick ever go extra day off well by the end with the cb a you know that you had to have a certain amount of days off in a row But, yeah, you know, we always, I don't think I ever lost one.

Wow. In 17, I think they may have lost. I was on ACL, but we always had them early in our year. I feel like we played the Jets lot. We played Pittsburgh a couple times, so we're for that reason. And it's like Pittsburgh doesn't play no slop-in-the-park team when they're playing Thursday night. They're playing a division rival, which those are tough. You know, so, you know, yeah, just got to go with what you're comfortable with and you execute the best.

By the way, it's week 12. And I remember Trent Dillfer saying, dude, I'm a quarterback. And by week four, everything hurts. Take me to week 12, Julian Edelman. Yeah. Okay. You are playing in a Thursday night off a Sunday game. Yeah.

Do you wake up this morning sore? What age? Okay, okay. 2930. 2930, you're achy. You're definitely achy. You wake up today, a little achy. But you...

Ibuprofen? What do you do? No, you do a lot of active recovery week all week. So the job of yours as an athlete on a Thursday night game is like NASCAR. You've got to do everything to do you got to get your car running best that week. So, you know, you're putting more time with treatment, more physical therapy, more your prehab, more of your conditioning, you're doing all those things because you're not going to have physical reps of practice to get yourself ready. So yeah, it was definitely,

you know, you were definitely sore. But this is the time, week 12 is the year, the time of the year where you would get banged up without a doubt, six to eight, week six to eight. If you got out clean the first four or five, there's always like a low period where the excitement of the New Year's kind of gone and the grind of the real season starting to hit you and you're getting tired and you're sore and the clock's changed and it's darker and you're at work. You don't see light so it does get like to a grime period. But then this week 12 starting soon, this is like the pasteurization period of when you milk a cow when you're trying to get the cream cream seasons after Thanksgiving. That sounds like a Belichick story. That's my story. I was call it that baby.

but this is the time of year where you're going to start to see guys separate when you play in the division and guys are starting to know what their team is and everything's about putting the tools on the belt for the dance, the playoffs. And this is when, yeah, you were bumped up and you were sore, but there was light at the end of the tunnel

and that light was the playoffs. That light was the seating. That light was, you know, how the health of the team is. We're getting healthy. That's what the light is. at the end of the year. And you start seeing that week 12, week 13, week 14, you're in it.

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Absolutely. I got it. It's not cream season yet. It's not cream season. For all you, the milkheads out there, let's get in the comment section. And let's see what we are we doing this wrong? I want to know the explanation and the analogy. Somebody go to a dairy Reddit board and get me something on this because I thought that was one of the smartest things ever drop.

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coach for Bill if you came on my damn podcast. Would you for one year? No, absolutely. Be a grader system. He can't pay me enough. It'd have to be seven figures at least. Come on. Minimum.

For coach? Geez, I lived that life, 12 years. Yeah. Twelve years. That's a long... As a player. Coaches get it even worse. You've got a social life now and a young daughter.

Yes. You've got a life. Trying to. I'm saying yes to things I didn't know. I could say yes to. Not accustomed since eighth grade. You just said no the whole time. Anytime it was September to, you know, December of February, yeah.

I mean, since you're a kid, you have football season. Yeah, yes is a great word. It is. Margarita tonight? Yeah. It's a great word. In moderation, yes is a great word. Great to see anybody. Great to see you guys.

Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's get started with the Chicago Bears, Colin. Oh, my goodness. They lost their fourth straight on Sunday, but the offense did show, of life. In Hermosi, Thomas Brown brought a more balanced approach. Caleb Williams led two

touchdown drive of 11 plus plays. Pretty impressive. Caleb encouraged how things went last week. I think it started in practice with the reps. I think it started with him stringing things together and doing a good job with that and getting everybody into a rhythm and not necessarily thinking of what's next or anything like that. We kind of had an idea of what's next. And you know from there you just you go out there you play and you play efficient football and it gives you the best chance to win all of these small things um details of routes details of um you know the blocking details of the the path of running backs and um how we're going to do things I think um I think that led into all of what happened last week I think it's fun I think he's

getting there I think slowly but sure I mean Greg Cosell said an hour ago, this kid is really, really a power thrower. I mean, Greg Kosell could have easily said it doesn't work. He's telling you, when you watch him last week and he's moving around, he's got a Herbert power on.

Like some guys are finesse and they have touch. This kid can crank it. That's why I'm surprised you didn't go Caleb over Bowenix. I know you punted. But right now, the one that really worries me is Jordan Love. So I can't wait to watch this weekend. I think he's really good.

he is he is not an anticipatory thrower when you watch him see it throw it that can lead to interceptions because that half tick is a pick so I like him but I think he has to develop more into an anticipatory thrower that was Aaron in his prime that was Brady that's Mahomes is a great anticipatory throw what do you anticipate for Caleb against his Brian Flores blitz happy defense this weekend in Chicago is his place in five material or no it's under consideration. By the way, Edelman was 9-0 on Thursday Night Football. Not bad.

Next story is, oh gosh, Pittsburgh Steelers. Do we have to keep talking about them, Colin? Goodness. They got a big game tonight, obviously. But Justin Fields, did you notice this? He played three snaps last week, rushed for 17 yards. With Russell Wilson's success, Fields most likely will not get a lot of snaps under center. But Smith, Arthur Smith, that is, dispelled the idea that he's a gadget guy,

adding he still views Fields as a premium starter in the NFL. Justin Fields was four and two with Pittsburgh. There's a better storyline for tonight. I know you're all in. He's a premier athlete. I don't think he's a premier quarterback. He's a premier athlete who can be a spot starter. I think he's a, I think that.

I don't think I would build around him. Here's the question. He's early in his career. Well, not really. Mayfield took a few years to become a starter. Sam Darnold took a few years. Very quickly, in a tough division, got the Browns to a playoff and a win. Baker's gotten two teams, two conferences to playoffs.

So that's different. I mean, you say, well, he's still a kid. If you get four years to run a franchise, you're out of the kid category. Anthony Richardson's still a kid. Four years of bad coaching. Well, at four years, good or bad coach. Was Baker getting great coaching with Freddie Kitchens? No.

I'm going to go ahead and guess no. I mean, he had Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. And stacked team. But nevertheless, me and O'Don. I'm just saying. So tonight, the best story would be the Browns win outright. Justin Fields maybe plays a few steps where Russell Wilson struggles in the weather, the lake effect wins.

And now we have maybe a quarterback controversy. You would agree that's, is there no chance at a controversy? We don't have a quarterback controversy. Not yet, but we need a Steelers' Pitch to get there. Pittsburgh hasn't lost a game. There's no controversy. Not yet. Russell is QB1 for the rest of the season.

It's not even a controversy. See, there's a dude, they put him in last week and he slid too early on the one thing they wanted him to do. Russell's fourth quarter passer rating has been money. Oh, yeah, here we go. Go Browns. Oh, he's not as cool as you like. We'll wrap up in the NBA where my Knicks, led by Jalen Brunson and Kat went off in the desert against the Suns. Cat and Brunson combined for 70.

New York's won, four straight, all five starters and double figures. keep an eye on the Knicks, Colin. Now, I should add, Kevin Durant did not play. Bradley Beale did not play. And the Sons don't play any defense. But listen, the Knicks, so they played eight guys really in the first half. Five of them were new to the team, right? The top three guys off the bench, it's going to take some time.

But once this team starts cooking, look out. Has there been an NBA game in the regular season last 10 years where every starter played? I mean, seriously, you just said, well, this guy didn't play, and that guy didn't play. Maybe that's the problem. That's why their ratings seven-year been a slide. Oh, yeah, who cares? Do you care? Yeah.

Why? It just matters. Okay. Yeah, apparently the fans don't care. They're not watching. Everything is on fire. WNBA ratings up, baseball ratings through the route, NFL up, college football up, Formula One up. Wait a minute, hold on.

I mean, if you really want to do this, Caitlin Clark ratings up. Rest of the league, eh. Look at the finals without kids. Caitlin Clark. They were like nothing special. They were special historically, if you look at WNB. Everything is doing this. NBA is doing that. Well, baseball postseason was up.

That's how we care about. We don't care about it. And if NBA regular season. Jake Paul, Mike Tyson exploded. Everything is doing this. A one-off boxing fight compared to a Sun's Knicks game in November. NBA's got some. It's not hate.

If you're being negative about the NBA, it's a great league. Would you have lunch with some hater this week? Huh? Who are you hanging out with now? So NBA haters? What's going on? You ditch me and now you're hanging out with some

NBA stinks. Ratings are down. I don't say NBA stinks. I watch it, but I look at data points. And when I see a business doing this in the ratings and everything else doing this. It's weird. The TV deal went like this.

I mean, they got like $77 billion from all these networks. Weird. If Amazon's broken two years, know why. Peacock, too. Hey. They are losing money on it.

That's why they got the NBA. Because the young people love the NBA. Okay. Wish a few more would have watched an actual TV NBA game. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie New.

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Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. It's our Big Ten Betts, Week 13. It's time for Big Betts. Colin and J-Mack make their favorite Big Ten Betts of the week. Okay, Indiana and Ohio State, I'm taking... the under 50 1.5 total points. The more you look at it, Ohio State missing their center.

They have the number one scoring defense in the country. Indiana, now, their schedule's been weak. Weather could be something, but they have the number seven scoring defense. I think Ohio State wants to control the ball, keep it on the ground, occasional pops over the top, but keep the ball away from Indiana. I'll take the under 51.5 total points. Damn, well, we're head to head. I've got the over 51.5 in this one.

Not a ton of confidence. I couldn't pick a side in this game. Like 13 is too big of a number. So I went with the over. My logic is I saw Ohio State give up big place to Oregon. And I do think Indiana, which played conservatively against Michigan, they can't do that again. That did not work against Michigan.

They didn't cover. They almost lost the damn game. So I think we see a lot of points here. I'll go, you know, Ohio State 30, Indiana 24, in a game where Indiana looks pretty good. good and gives a lot of thought for the committee. Hey, man, maybe they deserve to be in the top of all. Okay, I'm going to take Nebraska, Wisconsin at Nebraska, Huskers minus two and a half.

Wisconsin's getting bludgeoned. They face very good physical teams. Oregon, Iowa, Penn State. They're a bit beat up, and they're averaging 12 points a game during the three-game losing streak. Nebraska wins, they get a bowl game. They've lost, but they've lost to Indiana. Ohio State.

UCLA's playing well in USC. I think Nebraska wins by a field goal at home and gets into a bowl game. All right, I'm going to go with a couple dogs here to close out. The Minnesota gophers getting 11 at home against Penn State. Everybody's talking about Penn State. I don't know if they're good, Colin. I'll be honest. I know they're solid, but I don't know if they're like top five, top seven good in the country.

And I think Minnesota can ugly this up and keep it close. Give me Minnesota getting 11 against the Nittany Lions. I'm going to take UCLA at home plus four and a half against USC as an under dog. I think it's pretty tasty here. USC's lost four of five games. USC doesn't beat anybody big. Their games are all close. In UCLA, two of the last three

games has held opponents down. They had a bad one against Washington. I think it's a low-scoring 27-24 football game. I'm taking the four-and-a-half. I like that. And I will close out with Northwestern going back to the well. I went with them last week. They covered against

Ohio State. I think they covered 10 and a half against Michigan. Obviously, we love to But Michigan has the game next week against Ohio State. You know it's easy to overlook the Wildcats, even at home in Ann Arbor. I haven't checked the student schedule, but are the students going to be in Ann Arbor? Are they off for Thanksgiving break? That's something worth looking into. But nevertheless, Northwestern getting 10 and a half in Ann Arbor.

All right. Got to get back on my winning ways. It's been a great season in college football. This Saturday is going to be fun. By the way, Jerry Jones this morning on Radio in Dallas, on all the deep. Leon Sanders to the NFL chatter. I think we're way ahead of ourselves relative to when and if he decides to go into coaching in the NFL. And one of his greatest skills that he really brings to college is that he is almost has no peer as far as being a recruiter.

I mean, kids want to come play for him, and he has a way of selling that. And that is one skill, that recruiting skill, that is not a huge prerequisite for NFL coaches. And so one of his greatest values is in that area of putting the team together and in the sense of getting great talent to come and play for him there at Colorado. As if Jerry's saying he's a college coach, not a pro coach. Now, Jerry could be doing that to get a better deal on the Dion Sanders contract. What do you make of it? I don't like how he's doing this with Mike McCarthy still employed as his head coach.

It's just unseemly. Come on, Jerry. Unseemly. We got a coach. What are you guys talking about? We got a head coach. Mike McCarthy's going to get us done. We're going to get to the finish.

Just, oh, man. I don't know how I would operate and working in that building. Can you imagine if, you know, the guys on the fifth floor here every day we're doing radio interviews about what's going on at the network. That would, it's just such unnecessary. What if our bosses did public radio interviews and talked about our show all the time? Every day. Look, that's what's happening.

We don't see this in any other. Think of another NFL team that that's happening to. I will say this. The Colorado Buffalo signed a five-star quarterback today. I did see that. And there's like a picture of Shadur handing him the keys as if he's like handing off, hey, it's your car now. You know, pretty, pretty neat little social media thing.

Dionne and Colorado is a fun story. It's a fun story. I mean, that's all I care about. I mean, we always know Alabama, Ohio State, Texas is going to be good. I need more fun stories in college football. He can be positive, just like LeBron said. Less negativity, more positivity, Colin. Come on.

Boring. I like a good tire fire. Aater in the house. Okay, got you. I'm going to go to Cosm. I'm going to watch the Lakers at Orlando tonight. Why don't you put a couple dimes on that game? How about we bet right now?

Live TV. bet uh no thanks look at that guys all hat no cattle says the guy who refused to pick bo necks or Caleb williams well i shall i'm gonna put that off for a year a year i don't

i don't think it's fair to judge Caleb william we don't even know if we'll be doing a show together in a year from now possible i need an answer in a week bo necks or caleb williams let's go oh i thought you meant for the show a week boy you gotta get it jordan love jordan lover bo nix come on exhausting.

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