The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The Chiefs seem to have the Bills number

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

Mitchell Schwartz, Super Bowl-winning offensive lineman in Kansas City, joins Colin to discuss why the Chiefs always evade the Bills in the playoffs, playing with Patrick Mahomes, and what to expect between Kansas City and BaltimoreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Listen, all four coaches that are left are redeemable and very good. Obviously, Andy Reid's one of the all-time greats. But I said one of the things that was remarkable about what Kansas City did this weekend, and it really caught me off guard, is that because the Chiefs are so high profile, you don't have to watch them in the one o'clock window. They're on the big games. They're on the Fox game of the week or CBS or Sunday night football or Monday night football.

And I watched them all year, and I thought, this is the most. flawed Kansas City team I've seen. They led the NFL and drops, penalties lining up wrong. And then, and they played imperfect football. But then against Buffalo, I'm like, that's the best game they've played all year. MVS is making big plays. And I think it just points to the structure and Andy Reed and Mahomes and sort of the adult nature of their sole ecosystem. that a flawed team played their best game in their most high leverage moment.

And Mitchell Schwartz, the Super Bowl champ with the Chiefs, nine years, four-time all-pro Super Bowl champ. Were you even taken back a little? This is a young team by mostly how well they played. Cold weather on the road, biggest leverage point. I thought Buffalo would win. I was shocked by how well they played. Were you?

I was a little bit. To your point, they played the game. their best game in Buffalo in the divisional round. So I think there's something to this team turning it on just a little bit. I mean, offensively, this is a team that was riddled with mistakes, with penalties, as you mentioned, and one of my big keys was, can they get to the line of scrimmage, can they get set up, can they do all the double cadences that Pat wants to do

to see how the defense unfolds? And there were no procedural penalties. There are no delay of games. They took one time out. There were no false starts, which everyone knows. The offensive tackles and the right tackle in particular is that a lot of those. There are none those against Buffalo, and the ones. one mistake was McCull fumbling in the end zone.

And other than that, I mean, I think of their six or seven real drives, they scored on five of them. And they had the one drive where they had to punt and they had a kneel down at the end of the first half. So it was crisp. They were gaining a lot of yards. And most importantly, they weren't having the negative plays that they had throughout the rest of the season. It does feel a little bit. We know psychology matters, right? You're talking young men, a lot of pressure.

They become famous. There's a lot of pressure. the social media now as an element player's never dealt with when I was younger. It does feel like Kansas City's in Buffalo's head a little. Even at the end of the game, that last drive, you can see Buffalo is so consumed with a clock. They're running Delacook into the line. They're saying, we're not giving Mahomes a ball back. And I'm like, okay, Mahomes is in your head, and you're trying to tie the game.

Do you sense Kansas City now with this win? It's kind of rent-free. They kind of, they're in Buffalo's head a little. I think so. And in your conference, you're going to have that team that you measure up against and that team that you have to get through every single year. We saw that with Indianapolis and New England for all those years. And Kansas City is the team everyone is trying to beat and everyone's trying to get through.

We saw mini rivalry develop with Cincinnati the past few years, but Buffalo has been kind of this five-year long-standing rivalry. And this was the game for them to avenge all the ails of the past few years, and they weren't able to do it. And to your point, I mean, my biggest takeaway of Buffalo's last round, is why did they stop putting the pressure on Kansas City? Yeah. You know, they were down three with six, five minutes to go,

and goal number one is scoring a touchdown. Goal number two is getting Kansas City the ball back with as little time as possible, but you got to score the touchdown first, and they were driving the wall down the field, they were using tempo, they finally had the Chiefs defense on their heels, and then every single time, I think it was two or three times, they rushed the ball, they slowed the pace way down,

they lost yardage, they kind of ruined their flow and their rhythm, And it was just a really odd decision to start playing clock that early. I thought they needed to go score the touchdown. And at the time, the thing that was working was putting pressure on the Kansas City defense. And for whatever reason, they just stopped doing that. Mahomes is unique. And I remember years ago, Bill Polian was the GM, Hall of Fame GM with Peyton Manning. And we were talking one time about this.

I think it was off the air. And he said, you know, Peyton could be a bit, he called a teeth clencher, that he get really tight in these moments. And he said, we were always trying to say, hey, Peyton, you're great. just loosen up, it's okay. Peyton wanted to practice on Saturdays, which was Family Day with the Colts, and Peyton's like, I want another run through. They're like, no, Tony Dudge is like, no, we're prepared enough.

Mahomes doesn't have that. He's the face of the league. He's on Netflix shows. Unbelievable pressure. And yet, there is something about that he almost looks like he's playing backyard football in these moments when he's jockeing the ball back. Did you notice it early? I think that stuff is almost, Mitchell,

I think some of it you can't coach. It's just a personality trait, mom, dad, whatever it is. Did you notice it early that like a race car driver whose heart rate doesn't go up in a corner, that he was just different, that he didn't, there was no anxiety in these moments? Yeah, he's the guy that the anxiety isn't there, but the confidence in himself and the ability to perform

tends to rise in those tough situations. And, you know, his first two starts that second season, he threw for 10 touchdowns in two weeks. And, you know, it could be easy to think that you're the young hot shot and you got things figured out. And he just didn't really care. He kept continuing to progress, continuing to get better. And you never really saw that affect him. And, I mean, you go back to the 2018 season, you're playing the Patriots at home in the AFC championship game. And I think we scored zero points in the first half.

And it could be very easy. You're going against Tom Brady and the story franchise, all the Super Bowls to pack it in. you know, they're going to beat us by a hefty margin and we'll see it next year. But we rallied all the way back. We got to overtime. They got the ball. They scored a touchdown. They won the game.

But you could see throughout that season the resiliency he shows. And, you know, that first year, all the talk was, oh, his dad played baseball. He played baseball. Right. And I think there could be a small component that he just got used to being an athlete, to being around other great athletes. He saw things and he had put them into a system about how to perform under pressure, how to handle stress.

And, you know, maybe that's where the advantage. of growing up in locker rooms has come to fruition because yeah he doesn't show any panic I mean one of the crazy Tom Brady stats I think until maybe the last Super Bowl or two is I think for the first eight or nine Super Bowls he had three total points in the first quarter right all those Super Bowl games because he was a guy that got so energetic and so amped up that it almost took away from what he was able to do in those first quarters yeah and with Pat that's just not the case you know he he brings it every single quarter and he harnesses all that energy all that anxiousness all that excitement into playing better. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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It feels different. This is one of those where even you as a chief, do you look at this and think, have we met our match with this team a little bit? I think so because at Baltimore, they passed the eye test and they pass the advanced stats test. I mean, you look at like the DVOA stuff and they're top of the NFL,

and they look like the most complete team. You watch the games and you see the defense forming around. You see what Lamar can do on offense. You know, they got the best kicker. And, you know, they've always done well, special teams aside from Tucker. And so you are looking at almost going up into this buzzsaw. And, you know, last week, Baltimore, Lamar Jackson, the playoff stuff, you know, they're tied

at the half, and then he explodes in the second half and pulls away. And, you know, I don't really see that Lamar can't win in the playoffs narrative anymore. So it does seem like you're going up against this far-round-a-team. And the thing that would, you know, quote-unquote worried me the most from the Kansas City perspective is I feel like the Kansas City defense has been awesome this season. We saw that last week. We've seen it throughout the playoffs. We've seen it through the course of the year.

like that's going to be a really great matchup between Kansas City defense, Baltimore offense. But the Chiefs offense, admittedly, has struggled throughout the year. Yeah. I don't think the Bill's defense that they went against being as injured riddled as they are was that great. Miami's defense, even more injuries, not that great. And so you're going up against this awesome defense, really physical, fast, playing with a lot of confidence.

They can do some schematic stuff with McDonald, who might become a head coach here soon. So that's going to be the key matchup for me. Can Kansas City, you know, get past 20 points? Are they going to struggle on offense? Or some of the poor habits and tendencies that we saw early in the season going to creep in? And, you know, it's going to be a great struggle. Or shouldn't say struggle, it's going to be a great matchup. And, you know, hopefully Kansas City does not struggle.

This is a great point by him. Both Miami and Buffalo's defenses fell apart. I mean, literally, Miami lost all their edge rushers. The bills were losing all their linebackers. And now you face the best linebacking crew in the AFC with Queen and Roquan Smith. That's a great point that should be noted. We're probably elevating the Chief's hit and miss offense a little grade above what they'll be. Mitchell Schwartz, Super Bowl champ, highest-granted Chiefs O. Lineman for several years.

His brother, of course, is Jeff, and it's great Mitchell seeing you as always. I appreciate that. I'm saying looking forward to a good week of football. All right. I thought that was a great point. Are we – it really – that's the kind of point that makes me think differently about an outcome. Miami was decimated. They lost all their pass rushers.

Buffalo is losing all their linebackers. So we're looking at Kansas City's offense, and are we grading it on a different scale? Baltimore is stacked and healthy defensively. At home. Yeah, I think you and I are on the same page with this. I think Baltimore's going to win. Casey played their best game of the season offensively, right?

Against a beat-up Buffalo. They drop any passes? Yeah. Jay Mack with the news No No no no Turn on the news This is the herd line news

2420 Baltimore Okay Sounds reasonable This Belichick story is interesting Colin so ever since that Parting of Ways with the Patriots All signs have pointed him Going to Atlanta

It seems like Arthur Blank is hot for him However According to the athletic The potential Belichick Falcons partnership has lost momentum in the past week and the team is not approaching the situation with a Belichick or bust mentality.

They shouldn't. If he wants personnel power, he's a pass for me. I would only take him in a place like Philadelphia where Howie Roseman runs the draft and Bill can coach. Do you believe that Belichick said

Arthur Blank, old school owner, desperate for a title, Nosecraft, would just bend over backwards for me. Give me what I want. Let me go there. And that's what's happening right now? Well, the gap between Belichick as a drafter and Harbaugh is, it's not a small goal. Harbaugh is going to be a dominant drafter for three years.

Bill's arguably as bad as the league has. I can't get past that. I can't get past that. If Bill, listen, at some point you look at data, this is something I always told. Me and Rosillo, we were talking about eight years ago. We were like, have you ever noticed how bad the pay? in the last seven drafts, I believe it's the last seven. They've drafted two pro bowlers. One's a punter. I'm not giving Bill. I don't think Bill's a good candidate if he has any

sane personnel. I'm not interested at all in Atlanta if he has no say of personnel. Then I, no. If he has, if he, again, if he went to Philly where I know Howie Roseman runs it and that scouting department, that's interesting to me. Everywhere, I don't want that. Well, then I'm not interested in him as a candidate. Not with Brable and Harbaugh both of a baby. So let me ask. Where does Atlanta go from here? They're not getting Harbaugh. Let's move on from that. So the Vrable thing's interesting, Colin. There's been like no Mike Brable interviewing here, there, and everywhere. That's not happening. We're hearing that about everyone else. What's going on with Brable? Maybe Brable was a player, so he made money

as a player and a coach. Rabel's rich. Brable's not desperate. Brable may think, hey, listen, I would take the Chargers job. Remember, Mike, he's not getting the Chargers job. But I'm just saying, so in Mike Raebel's world, he's been able to win. win without a star quarterback. So Ravel may be saying to himself, I got, I'm a millionaire as a player, I got an eight-figure net worth now because I'm, I got pensions as a player and a coach. So Rable's takeaway is, why would I take another job where I don't have a quarterback? We don't know Rable, but the guy got fired by Tennessee after being a really good coach. You don't think he's ticked off and motivated to really show them?

I've interviewed, I've talked to Mike for about 25, 30 minutes once, and I know people that know Mike. Really bright, no BS. I'm saying is, if you got burned by something in your career, you would, you know, you put your hand on the hot stove, you don't do it again. So Vrabel's sitting here thinking, I've done the B quarterback thing. You can't win the trophy. So to him, he may have said, I'll take the charger job, but ask yourself this. So Mike Vrabel, I'm saying, he's made his money as a player as a coach.

Why can't Vres? And also, he'd be great on TV. Good looking guy, smart. You could sit out for a year like a Peyton. I wish more coaches would just go like Brable, maybe. Why don't I just wait a year? There's some potentially interesting jobs available in a year.

Maybe. Or he is just highly motivated to stick it to the Titans. Let me give you my... Revenge. Revenge is not good for presidents or coaches. Okay. Well, you know what? Listen, if you run me off this show,

you don't think I'm going to go look for a rival show? To go up against you and be like, a coward didn't want me? I'm going to show him. I'm going to show him. I'm going to show that guy. You don't think I would be like that? Of course.

You want to go on a fourth tier show. Oh, what do you say? We're first tier? I like it. I like it. No, but seriously, I floated this Friday when you were out. There is the Florio thing saying Andy Reed could be his last year. I know.

Rable finished his career in Kansas City. Rable's not interviewing. I wonder if he knows there is a job that could be coming open. That's interesting. That would be interested in. That is a very, now that's not a hot take. No, I can see Andy Reed. saying if he wins another one, guys, I'm going to end on top.

Even if he doesn't, Saban didn't win another one. Saban walked away. Like, Andy Reid could, listen, I got my family stuff. I got a coached with the Eagles. I won with the Mahomes and the cheese. Like, let me just, let me call. Well, Andy's not a guy that's going to be driving around in a family. You give him his, you know. So maybe Brable, I mean, that's the only of the four, final four job.

That's a really interesting situation. I always told you this with Sean Payton. I was surprised he took the Denver job. I knew he wanted the Chargers job, but they wouldn't pony up the dough. My takeaway is, you're great on TV. Stay out for one more year. There's seven jobs open a year, and there's usually every year there's one, like this year. The Charger job's a really good job.

After that, I think Washington is interesting. I think a lot of people think that they're just holding it for Ben Johnson. Washington with new owner, number one cap space, pretty interesting roster. That one's interesting. I'll just say this about Atlanta. That's the most likely job where you walk in the door and you've got a chance to win the division. You have no quarterback. You got a chance to win the division because of the division.

Come on. Look at those guys are chokers. It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, I get to the playoffs and I've got. Well, that's a different story. They only have the number one. What do they have, the number nine pick? So you have to give up all sorts of draft capital to get a quarterback.

Fields, um, Russell Wilson. You're not holding the trophy up. Come on. Everybody wants the trophy. Rock Purdy is about to go to. I like your rabble Kansas City. Yeah, it's good. I mean, let me ask you.

Andy's 65, 66. Turning 66 in March. And again, Andy's not a guy. He's low maintenance. He'll just have fun and do his thing. He'll consult, make a million a year. If he wins the Super Bowl, could you see Andy saying, I'm done? I can see win or lose.

It would be hard for Andy, though, because he's such a creative monster to say, you know, I'm going to get rid of, I'm going to leave my homes in his prime. That's a hard leave. Fair. A lot of people are saying it's tick. for Maggie, the offensive coordinator. And I'm like, no way. Listen, to have an offensive.

You know, when McVeigh considered retirement, you know why one of the reasons he came back, well, I do have Matt Stafford, who throws the prettiest ball on some Sundays in the league. But there is something to be said about. When you have a great quarterback. This day is like 38. That's not when you, I know, but to leave Mahomes,

it's like leaving Lamar or Josh. If John Harbaugh wins, you know, you leave it eight years. We got to find a coach who left a superstar quarterback in his prime. You can do it, but it's an offensive league, man. Next up, Deshawn Watson has completed the first two years of his five-year, fully guaranteed deal with the Browns. He doesn't have much to show for it playing in just 12 games over the last two seasons.

Despite this, GM Andrew Barry says the team feels good about Watson. Do feel really good about him, happy with the progress that he's made within our organization, both on the field and off the field. and we're looking forward to get him back next year. We think he's going to have a really big year and have a ton of confidence in him as our starting quarterback. When we made the trade, we really looked at it as, hey, this is something that we'll evaluate

like a 10-year time horizon because these guys play. Obviously, we want him on the field more often than he's been. He can't help the shoulder injuries this year. But we're really pleased with him. He's very talented. He's very hardworking. He's adaptable.

And we really feel good about him of before. They're going to get a lot of guys. I think they had the most salary cap money on IR this past season. I'm curious what happens with Chubb. Because they were able to run the football pretty well without him. He's coming off a major injury. I think the Browns are going to be right back there in the division next year. Of course, Ravens are going nowhere.

Glass Joe Burrow is back. Glass Joe Burrow, that's where we're right. That was the nickname we gave him. I didn't give it to him. I gave it to him, but you started to jump on board last week. Don't stick me with that bumper sticker on your Volkswagen buddy. The stench of Glass Joe will cling to you. No, I think he's a year away.

If there's another injury to Joe, I'd be concerned, but let's let it happen. Yeah. Final story is Carl Anthony Town setting the Timberwolves franchise record dropping 62 last night. Dang. But I think the bigger story, he had 44 in the first half. The bigger story is they melted down in the fourth quarter. Towns only had four, and the lowly Hornets outscored him 36-18 to win. 36 points in the fourth.

Yeah, they lit up Minnesota. Now, here's what's interesting. Chris Finch, who's been a guest on the show, and is one of the top 10 coaches in the league, I think, undeniable. Okay? He was ticked off with his team, kind of belating to the Carlytheatown 62. Here it is. It was an absolute disgusting performance of defense and immature basketball.

I mean, there's lots of times when. And just because you've scored two or three or four points in a row or baskets in a row, it doesn't, you know, obviously we're going to try to feed a hot hand, look for a hot hand, but at some point we've got to get back to making the right play. We've got to get back to doing the right things. And, you know, that's just, like I said, there's a lot of ways to be immature. There's always a lot of ways to be immature. And there was a lot of immature performances here throughout the roster.

We totally disrespected the game ourselves. and we got exactly what we deserve. He's mad. Ooh, ticked off. Now, you're an Aunt Edwards fan. Oh, I love him. Well, hold on a sec. The Athletic is reporting that Carl Anthony Towns' teammates

heard about Joel and Bede's 70 at halftime, and they were asking assistant coaches for updates because they wanted Towns to pass and beat, and they ended up losing the game. That is the height of immaturity. Finch is spot on with his comments. Of course, the gibronies on NBA Twitter are all angry. Cruz Diteau, barely missed any shots.

He had 10 threes, and you're going to make fun. Oh, God. A lot of people just don't get faster. It's regular season NBA. By the way, Mbid had a great night, and he's a great player. What's his playoff high? 42, 44. I mean, 70 points is not playing defense.

And that's no knock on the great players in the NBA. You drop 70. It was against the Spurs and Wembeiyama. They're the worst team in the league. By the way, I've seen Victor's. He had 33 last night. I know. For a rookie.

I mean, by the All-Star break next year, is he a top-10 player? I mean, he is improving fast. The league is just so deep. Top 10, possibly. Maybe he's 12. But there are moments with him. I mean, his highlight reel, we're not to the All-Star break. Victor Wembaughamma's highlight reel is...

It's already better than Dominic Wilkins. It was like the human highlight film. I mean, he's had some moments. He's just like, he's 19 years old. Yeah. He's crazy talented. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news.

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A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes,

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And they've been on a hot streak I think they've won five of six What on earth happen Now that's got to be a juicy story You don't fire a coach With your second in the east Now remember Dame Lillard showed up In the offseason

And then they had brought on Terry Stott's Remember it was like an advisor assistant coach, and then they quickly jettisoned him. Boy, this is good and probably I don't even know what to make of this. Holy cow. Who does that? Janus pulling the strings there? Well, again,

they're playing well recently. Go look at their last six, seven games. Final last ten games are six and four, like 19 and four at home. There has to be a personality conflict. Has to be. think. Holy cow. Yeah, they've won. You're right.

Five or six games. Now, now their defense has been bad, but in fairness, they have a weird defense where they've got big guys who don't move well, except be honest, and a small guy who can't defend anybody with size, Dame.

So when you got Dame in and you lost Drew Holiday, you have to be honest about it. That's a big loss defensively. So Dame's a poor defender, regardless of his size. He's a great offensive player. He's not a good, he's a great offensive player. Drew Holliday is an elite defender. You got rid of him. And so you also got rid of Grayson Allen, who was kind of a chippy defender, but had a, he played with some zeal defensively. I don't know if

he was rated as a good defensive player, but you've got some bigs who don't necessarily aren't twitchy and don't move well. Chris Middleton, by the way, is not what he wants was, not a great defender. And then you lose Drew and you bring in Dame, they're not going to be as good defensively. That's my macro. I don't watch every Bucks game, but They weren't going to be as good defensively, but they were going to be better offensively because Dame is a great closer. And they needed somebody that could create his own shot in the perimeter because they were very Yonis-centric in big spots. Middleton with injuries, not the same player. And Drew's more of a defensive guy.

So you remember when the Celtics, they went to the finals against the Warriors a couple years ago? And then they fired their coach on the eve of the season. And then it turns out there was some personal stuff. There's got to be something here, right? I mean, there's no way you're in second in the east, 30 and 13, and you can your coach. Like something bad had to have that. So the Bucks will strongly consider Doc Rivers. Come on.

Wait, who's that? Was that Wojj? That's Chris Haynes. Chris Haynes, okay. So, well, here's the thing. So Doc, that's an interesting decision. What is Doc known as gets along with veteran players when he went to Boston, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce.

You know, the story was, he was very, the guys were like, you win tonight, tomorrow's off. He, Doc tends to come in, players like him. He's very good with veteran players. Dame's a veteran, Janice, Brooke Lopez. You got old, it's an old team. Last year they were the oldest team in the league. Are they still the oldest team in the league? They're up there.

So Doc is very good with older players. He's not the teacher with the, Doc doesn't want a bunch of kids. That's not who he is. So what it tells me is if they're bringing Doc in who's good with veteran players, that their Adrian Griffin had struggled with some of the veteran players. Young, first time NBA coach, probably budding heads. And again, what I'm taking is when you move off a certain type of personality and you hire somebody else abruptly, you're often hiring the opposite,

the pendulum swing of hiring. You're hiring the opposite of what was problematic. So if you're hiring Doc, it tells me he'll smooth out the locker room. Everybody likes Doc. I see Doc twice a year. People love Doc. In L.A., Doc is like... Isn't he an announcer now?

He's like everybody's neighbor. Everybody likes Doc. He gets along with everybody. The only thing he can't do is lock things up in the postseason where he chokes away 3-1 leads less than anyone else. It's hard to win in the playoffs. Get Blake Griffin, D'Andre Jordan, not easy. Nobody has blown more 3-1 leads in the playoffs than Doc Rivers.

That is a fact. An unassailable fact. I'm sorry, you know, that's a reality. I'm sure he's a great slow guy. You don't like the facts on Brock Purdy, but the doc ones you'll pull out there anytime you care. So I'm just saying is the dock hire, if it would have been somebody else, it was different. But bringing in dock is a signal they're trying to soothe some fissures in the locker room. Fissure, that's a good word.

Yeah, that's what it feels like to me, because Doc is going to suppress any angst. Everybody loves Doc. That gets along with everybody. And let's be real. This is a players league, right? The players run the NBA. In the NFL, obviously, the coach is paramount matters massively. No.

The coach matters in the NBA, but it's a players league. And also, if you've noticed Janus over the last several years, he's become westernized. He swears more. He's more demand. It's not a criticism. European players come over, they play nice. And then all of a sudden, the pressure, they're getting ripped on social media. Then all of a sudden.

they get westernized. That's a great point on Janice. Yonis has gotten much more. He's got some skirmishes. He's gotten in skirmishes. He'll give you his opinion. He's a nice guy, but Janus isn't going to sit around and get pushed around anymore. It's like, get me Dame or I'm out.

Yeah. He probably went to him and said, it ain't working. But I would say in fairness to Adrian Griffin. And again, I'm not in Milwaukee. But when you let go of Drew, we said this on the air and you bring in Dame, you're not going to be the same defensive team. And also, they're an older team. So you're not going to be as twitchy athletic.

I mean, like the Lakers when you watch them, between they're older in some season. They don't get out to the wing as good. They just don't defend the wing. That's a young man's game out there. Yeah. Does this change your trajectory? The Miami Heat made a trade yesterday or this morning, whatever. For Terry Rozier, that's a nice ad.

Listen, the heat are not going anywhere. I kind of faded. They're never going to go anywhere. If I have Jimmy Butler and Eric Spolstra. You're going to have a chance. But I still think the Celtics are the class of the East. They are. I do, too.

I think Philadelphia I like this Philadelphia version I know I do I like him I like him not because of the seven points I think we're going to have some fun with the sixers in the playoffs No this is no pressure on Joel and So if you just joined us The bucks have won five of six they're the number two seed They're 30 and 13 they just fired their coach

So something's got to be I mean this will be one of those follow woes she'll have some inside stuff Because it just it feels like there's some there's some fissures inside the room To hire doc the ultimate cooler in the room, soothe it, no egos, everybody loves Doc. Damon Janice, running that team.

Huh. Well, they're not wrong with that. Nothing. Players league. That's a tough coaching job. Doc, you want to come in and deal with these guys who just ran off a young coach? As a friend of mine who works

in the NBA and has for a long time, NBA head coach, he calls it the worst great job in America. To be an NBA head Coach is the worst great job in America. You love the sport. You love the lifestyle.

The night games going out. You love the... It's hard. It's a, you know, it's a players league. And that's okay. It's been a players league since I was a kid. Since the years of... When I was a kid growing up with Spencer Haywood,

it was a players league in the 60s. I'm going to wait for LeBron to chime in on this because we know he's had some veiled comments about Darwin Ham lately. Players league, Colin. Let's just remember that. Nobody's safe. It's fun. It's drama.

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