The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The firing of manager Gregg Berhalter

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

Colin talks to Fox Sports Soccer Analyst Alexi Lalas about the firing of manager Gregg Berhalter and where U.S. soccer goes from here before cohosting the 2026 World CupSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for Megan us part of your day. So Greg Burhalter, who I've supported, got fired after a disappointing performance at Copa as the men's coach, United States men's national team. We fire our coaches. We blame our coaches. We've won 69% of his games. Best winning percentage ever for somebody that's coached at least 20 games. And people say, yeah, but our players are so much better. They're playing over in Europe.

Yes, they are. But are they in their athletic prime? Pulisic has just entered as prime. We're still really young. We were one of the youngest World Cup teams that got into the round of 16. Draw with England. And then just overwhelmed by the Netherlands. But the fact that this team played poorly in Copa, now I argued earlier, Jordan, Copa, our talent now is more European.

We like to play faster and wider, and Copa's fields are narrower and shorter. Like in the NFL and college football, hash marks in different places. Olympic hockey rinks, NHL rinks, difference in size. Copa was not built for us. Not an excuse, it's a reason. Now, when we got a red card against Panama and played a man down, that didn't help. And I do think there's an argument to be made that this team did not create enough high-level scoring opportunities relative to our skill. But I think some of that is the game in which we played a man down.

You tend to play just more defensively, right? You look for opportunities, but you're not going to be aggressive playing a man down. after the red card. And I really, and this is not an excuse. I like our skill. But if I was talking about this on my pod yesterday, if you look at baseball, football, basketball, the championship teams, the Celtics are a great example,

have a majority of their best players, Derek White, Tatum, and Brown in their prime. Porzingis late prime, but prime. If you go to the NFL, that's why I say the San Francisco 49ers, be careful. A lot of dudes, they're out of their prime now. You're asking a lot. Are you in your prime?

When the Rams won, Stafford Prime, Aaron Donald, late prime, Cooper Cup prime, Von Miller, late Prime. That's how you win. This team has a bunch of guys who are just not quite yet. Pulisic has entered his prime early. He's got another seven years of it. But we're not great yet. We have a potential in two years to be really special.

I think this team at the World Cup could make a real impact. joining us live, Alexei Lawless, on the firing of Greg Burrhalter. So is this a fair criticism? Wow, Colin, you are a glutton for punishment, my friend. You've been around. I was listening to your pod yesterday, and you also talked about the, well, how should we say it, the elitism and the snobbery

and the gatekeeping that American soccer does. And how dare you go and defend Greg Burholter? They are going to come for you and your family. My goodness. Wow. Okay. So I'll start with the criticism. Is that considering our skill level, where our best players are in Europe, many flourishing,

that we want a more aggressive style and that we didn't create a lot of successive offense, dynamic offensive opportunities. That jumped off the matches for me. We're not quite as dynamic as I. want. Is that a fair criticism? Sure. I mean, and you mentioned the expectations given this group. And you're absolutely right to point out the fact that we took a very young group back to the World Cup, which by the way happened on Greg Berhalter's

watch. But the promise that Greg Berhalter and this team have kind of made with us is that we are going to see things that haven't been done before. And that has not come to fruition. And maybe in Greg Berhalter's mind, that was going to culminate in 2026. But ultimately, in the in the games that he has won, he can't point to one where we are beating and bettering the elites of the world. And that's ultimately what this, what this was about. So I understand, you know, where you're coming from relative to the criticism that Burrhalter has taken. But ultimately, it's about winning. And so all the other stuff that we talk about and you talk about this in sports all the time, it's about winning. And I, I have no

doubt that had that red card not come and the US had gone through and beaten Panama or even tied Panama that eventually they would have gone through into the knockout rounds and Greg Burhalter would still be the coach but they didn't and we can say this is the blame and we can't fire the entire team obviously but we can fire the coach and I think most importantly right now is that 2026 is too important it's the most important summer in American soccer history and we cannot afford to waste it and I think right now Greg Berhalter um is divisive. And we need to be united.

We need to be together. Whether it's his fault or not, to be quite honest with you, is irrelevant. We need somebody there. I want somebody that is bigger than life. I want somebody that I can believe in and that makes us believe in the coach

and this team going forward into 2026. And that was not happening right now. And so I think they had to make the change. So I had said this at the last World Cup, although I thought just getting the draw with England and getting out of the group stage in itself was fairly. remarkable, considering the youth of this team.

They were, I think, second youngest team or one of the youngest teams. Yep. That excuse won't stick. But there is something that's missing. And I don't want to throw out any cliches. But there does appear to be a lack of grit. I thought in the last World Cup, they needed an Alexei Lawless or a Clint Dempsey. A borderline, inappropriately physical, kind of just a guy that's almost annoying.

not always perfectly Clint Dempsey coachable. Clint could be a lot for Bruce Arena, and I think they miss it. And as I watch this team, even if they're more talented and more European in style, it does feel like what is it that we can't create a kind of chip on the shoulder grittiness that I see with these brilliant Argentinian teams or these teams that have the skill overseas, but they also bring a toughness. Do I sound like an American football dope or is that something that you see? No.

No, you don't sound like a dope. And I think it's almost a human condition, right? For example, when somebody in business is successful, sometimes they will grow and they will change in the way that they act, in the way that they are affected, in the way that they dress, in the way that they live their life. And sometimes in doing so, they will lose ultimately what made them successful in the first place. I think in our desire to become more refined, our desire to evolve as a soccer playing nation and as a national team. It has made us do things that we haven't done in the past and attempt to play in ways that we haven't done in the past. And that's commendable. But what it has done also has made us lose some of the stuff that has made us, maybe not uniquely American,

but certainly American over the years. And you talk about some of that ruthlessness and that aggression that is absolutely on display right now in Copa America. and from some very good teams if you look at the Uruguayas and the Colombians. Yes. Yes, they have the skill and yes, they have the, even the romance at times in terms of how they play. But there is also an incredible dog and there is also incredible fierceness.

And if we lose that, then I do think that's a problem. And so marrying those two with a more evolved approach to play, but also with, you know, like I said, a dog and a grit where all the words, all the cliches that you said where, you know, almost like the, you know, obscenity from the Supreme Court, I know it when I see it, right? And you know it when you see it in all sports, including soccer. Give me, I see the names, bantied about, Liverpool, and you get, and I think to myself, well, that's a pretty good gig. Are we overly optimistic and hyperbolic in our pursuit of

the next coach? Is there a perfect style or manager for us? When we go, listen, I love the idea that swing big. Are we realistic on our potential choices? I think we are. I mean, as we're doing this, news is just broken that evidently Yergen Klopp, who a lot of people had talked about, and that certainly is swinging big, maybe as big as you can get other than Pep Guardiola, you know, as said he wants time away, and he's, you know, has said thank you, but no thank you when it comes

to the U.S. And there's plenty of other names out there that are big that are going to cost a lot of money doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to be successful. I think there is this feeling that with 2026 and not wasting the stage and the platform that is 2026, you know, go bigger, go home and do some things that we haven't been done in the past. And a lot of times we equate that with money and we equate that with notoriety and big name types of things. It doesn't have to necessarily be a big name.

It doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of money. But I think what United States Soccer Federation has come out and said very clearly is that money is it's not no object but if there is somebody big that is going to cost a lot out there that wants to do it more importantly they will find the money so that's not holding the US US back but regardless this has to be a hire for the next two years this has to be somebody that comes in and says look these are the players and either out you're going to coach them up right and you have to coach them up individually and collectively and if they don't have what you want then you got to get rid of them and find somebody else but that's going to be very very hard in just

two years. And to your point, I think a lot of these players are very, very good. They have plenty of pedigree when it comes to where they are playing, but they are not living up to their potential. And so whoever comes in for two years, I don't care what happens behind the scenes. I don't care about your kumbaya dynamic. I don't care about TED talks or anything like that. But I do care that you are able to inspire this group and in turn inspire me and all of the American soccer fans out there to say, yeah, I'm going to follow this person because this person is taking us to the promised land is going to give us the best chance of doing something big and doing something that we haven't seen before come the summer of 2026.

Alexei Lawless, my friend. All right. You brought it. And by the way, you know me, sometimes the irritation I create is a joyful experience, perhaps not for those who I irritate, but for me. And so I think we both have that in common sometimes. We are shared beautiful irritants, beautiful pests, if you will. And we enjoy poking.

And it's okay to poke every once in a while. Sometimes that's how you get to the truth, my friend. Thank you. Good to see anybody. As always. The great Alexei Lollos. By the way, Sunday, Eurofinals, followed by the Copa finals. So you got Spain and England, and then Argentina and Colombia, the quality of soccer on Sunday, Fox is going to be unbelievable.

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on the iHeart radio app apple podcast wherever you get your podcast well he had 17 and a half sacks last year a very unique player josh hind allen the jaggs linebacker is joining us and i'm reading through some of the stuff that you have a fascinating life so you uh first thing you notice when you meet this young man he's very stylish you know and i look down here and it said oh you spent time in milan for fashion week so jordan and I went to dinner last night and I said give me a place in Europe you got to go and he said you got to go to Milan it's beautiful so you're so you're a fashion guy I mean most NFL guys they're not fashion guys where does that come from uh my wife I am you know I have if it was up to me I'll be wearing

Adidas gear you know home away games you know but you know growing you know coming into myself into the league you know want to look put together I like to wear suits And so we got invited this year to go to fashion week. So, you know, I took the chance. I was like, oh, get outside of my comfort zone. I like to look good. So going out there and experiencing that, it was great. And by the way, you are 6-5-285.

Yes, sir. Most models are not 6-6-285. Where do you get your clothes? I know it's a weird question, but. There's a couple of brands out there. I was actually, you know, one of the shows that I did go to, the head designer asked me to walk next year in his in his line so tell him if I got the time I'll make it happen how about that but yeah your sisters in the WNBA yes sir in fact you changed your name

this year it was Josh Allen and that was due to you were paying tribute to just my family name you know so I grew up as I was known as little Heinz you know my uncles my sisters you know we're like household names in Montclair, New Jersey, big football, big sports town. Yeah. And so growing up, I was little Heinz, little Hein. So I've always resonated with the Heinz name. I just didn't have it on me, which was kind of weird.

And this year, you know, I decided to add it on the back of my jersey. It's something I've been wanting to do for a minute now. And I think, you know, going outside my comfort zone and being more bolder and the things that I do in my life. And I just decided to, let's do it. Perfect time. You know, it's interesting when you look at, you could have chosen.

You were available, right? And I'm not going to give the name of a general manager I knew, but I did know a general manager who was interested in you. You were talked about a lot. So you had options and you decide, I'm going to stay. Now, you played at Kentucky, East Coast guy, I get that. But you decide to stay with the Jags, go all in. You're a pro athlete.

You're really talented. The whole league wants quarterbacks and edge rushers and left tackles. Is there a minute you could have left? I mean, take me through your process. I mean, it was definitely a stressful process at times. But, you know, I think God, I believe, I had trust in God that he was going to make things work. you know, having a young family figuring out we got to pick up and go and, you know, building a house out there in Jacksonville for the past three years as finally built.

Was it was a huge transition to be had. So, you know, trying to stay stationary. I wanted to be on one team for my whole career. That was a big, you know, thought process and going through it. So just being able to be stationary was huge for me. I didn't want to be up and moving and have to figure out a whole other team, whole other system, a whole other city. I love Jacksonville. I love all of Duvall. They treat me well.

And, you know, I want to make that home for the rest of my career. By the way, the heat in September and August is no joke down there. It's crazy. Let me guess. Will you lose 10 to 15 pounds in camp? I'll probably start the season at like 280, you know, 275, 280 because we work out there. Like, you know, guys that play for Doug Peterson or the Andy Retrie, they know, like, Trent Camp's no joke. Andy. Andy practices hard. Yeah, and we do the same.

thing, you know, but it pays off. And, you know, I'm excited to work with the guys this year, especially in training camp. We're going to compete at a very high level every day, and we're going to push each other for greatness. Yeah. So last five-year, last six games, Trevor was all beat up. Everything was banged up, a calf, a shoulder. It was a rough sled at the end of last year. Was it rough on the locker room? What's it like to be a talented team, pick to win a division, and it just unravels at the end of the year. What was that locker room like? I mean, for us, man, we've never been in that situation before.

I know for me personally, guys, you know, we had guys that played around the league that played on different teams, but the core guys that have been there have never been put in that situation. The year before, you know, a couple years before, we've won one game, three games, and then Doug, Coach Peterson comes, and we find a way to win seven straight, straight to get into the playoffs. Yeah. The other first time we've ever experienced that,

then last year we started off, you know, started off hot and ended up slow. It was like, we've never experienced that. So how do we figure out and fight through that? And I think this year we've experienced winning, we experience losing, we experience, you know, losing four straight, five straight, winning four and five straight, one, it's important to win.

So I think right now we have the, we have the battle experience, we have the, the, the, the, we don't want to be in this situation again and just figure this out and let's go through it and let's not put ourselves in a position to lose this many games in October, you know? So the last two days I've had three players on, Dionne Dawkins, great left tackle, went to little old temple. Jalen Johnson, he didn't pack, he went to Utah. You go to Kentucky, mostly considered a basketball school.

All three of you are elite. He was the number one rated corner cover. You're a top three edge rusher. Dawkins' terrific left tackle. He didn't go to football powers. Both, I mean, Dion admitted, he got chip on his shoulder. He knows where you went,

if you went to Ohio State and he went to Temple, do you have that chip on your shoulder? You know, I like to see everybody get paid. I like to see everybody be successful. So for me, it's, you know, I'm like I said, I'm a legacy guy. So, you know, everywhere that I go, I want to be a part of building that culture up.

You know, I was fortunate to get a scholarship. It was either Kentucky or Monmouth. I chose to go with Kentucky. Wow. So for me, it was, you know, not big football there. So I was like, how can I assert myself? When did you know at Kentucky? The morning you woke up or the game you played, you go back to your dorm and you're like, I may play on Sundays.

So, you know, not my freshman year, not my sophomore year. Like a little bit of my jewelry. During year, I was like, man, I can play some ball. And then my senior year, when I had my son, I was about to leave to enter my name in the drive. And I heard Coach Stubbs gave me the words, other words, generational wealth. And it hit me and it just sat me deeper in my chair, like, I want to know more about it, and I want to attain that.

And so I asked, you know, well, what do I have to do? And, you know, he brought in Coach White from, he was assistant coach. This is D-Line coach at the Colts at the time. Yeah. He came and he became my positional coach. And what I mean to tell you, telling me the ropes, like, this is what info scouts. This is what the numbers they look at. This is the body.

This is the ideal person that they're looking for. And having somebody be in my air telling me this is what they look for and me having that work ethic that I already had just put the pieces together. And it was like, oh, I'm going to be the best in the way I worked in the way I think. You change your diet, change your workout. I'm going to be the best defensive player in college football. And, you know, and I was. And you would have a SEC defensive player the year. SEC, national defense play at the year.

I won all the defensive ward, first team, all, everything. So I played at a very high level. So it's like, in my mindset, and I was like, I've done it. Yeah. High school, I was 22 sack guy, my senior year, 17 last year, you know. So I know what 17 feels like. I know what 22 feels like, so I got to go get that. So your sister's in the WNBA.

Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark are good. Here's what nobody will admit. They're both good. Everybody's picking sides. I never watched the WNBA a lot. And then all of a sudden I got all these rivalries. Your sister's playing there. And now I watch it.

You know what I'm taken back by in the WNBA? What's up? How physical it is. Yeah. Like chippy. Them girls play. They competitive. Again, my whole family is competitive, so I already know how my sister's wired.

And now, you know, we're all competitive. You're competitive in what you do. I know Jordan is competitive. What do you do? Think about women. You know what I'm saying? When they get competitive, man, they don't play to come in second. You know what I mean?

And they want it as bad as bad as we want it. So I've learned from experience from going to one of my sister's game and, you know, seeing her play and seeing how skillful those women are. person. It's a sight to be had. And, you know, right then and there, I was like, yeah, I don't think I could beat my sister in one-on-one anymore. You know what I mean? So, you know, a lot of respect for the women that play the sport and, yeah, doing anything. So 17 and a half sacks has more than won a game. Is there a left tackle? All right. Is there a tackle that you face? You know, Dionne yesterday said, if an edge doesn't have gloves on, I know he's wired

different. So if you face him, are you going to take your gloves off? I think I might. I think I'm I'm a glove guy. You know what I'm saying? So you wear gloves? I got little hands. They said in the combine. They said from right here to right here, this is the way they measure the hand size or whatever. And they had one of the smallest. So I was like, damn. Got a little funny.

And I got, you know, my fingers is all jacked up. So I wear gloves. But this week, that week, I might go no gloves. Who's the best guy you've ever faced in the NFL and the O line? Ever? that you've ever faced that you literally felt like with your physical gifts you're like this guy is schooled you know there's a couple guys out there that

are really that are really talented you know Tristan Warts is one of those guys that are just... He's a dog He's no joke you know he's you gotta get ready to play when you go against him. His base you have obviously Trent Williams who's just a freak of an athlete strong and powerful

you got to get ready to play against him And then, you know, Lermey Tunsel. You know, Lermey is a guy that I see every year, twice a year. Is that an advantage for you or him? It's a battle. I like going to war against Lermey. Like, you know, when we're out there talking, it's, you know, let's get these one-on-ones going. You know what I'm saying?

One-on-one, you're the best on your team. I'm the best my team. Let's go work. And I love that battle. You know, I look forward to it every year. And, you know, I don't know what he feels like, but I know I look forward to it. You do.

And I love it. Is there any pass rusher that you've, and this is okay, that you've stolen something from? You're like, man, I love that move. Of course. Oh, you have. Of course. You know, my game is my game.

And, you know, I've structured my body to fit the way I play. But Jan, Unique and Gagway, came into the league. He was cross-top king. I never seen that move. I was like, what is this? And then I started to implement it in my game. And now I stole it, him, Robert Quinn, OCU, manure. I studied the guys that have done it before.

So those guys played that, do that move at a very high level. You know, the Von Millers, you know, it is, heck, Mike, I love my class.

You know, guys I came into that 19, you look at Max, you know, who's one of the top edge guys. Crossby? Yes. Brian,

there's another top edge guy. Do you know Max Crosby? I do. He's intense. Yeah, he is. You know, I'm so blessed that I'm a Jacksonville,

Jaguar, and I'm going to retire Jacksonville Jaguar, hopefully. But I still feel like we could have been teammates, you know, and what could have been, you know. But you never know how, you know, the cars play out. He's going to come to Jacksonville. Well, what? So you were in Milan Fashion Week.

Let's circle back to that. I'm not even going to ask what that shirt costs. That costs more than my car lease. but when you go, did you come home with some nice clothes? Did you? Yeah, they don't invite you out there for free. You know. They don't give the invite for you to come home with khakis.

Like you came home with stuff. Yeah, I bought a couple of things, but these are things that, you know, I'm going to wear for a long time. You know, I got a lot of tailor stuff, so I'd be wearing a lot of stuff this, you know, this season. Like I said, man, I like to Does anybody else in your locker room have any fashion sense at all? Yeah, we got some guys that got swag. Okay.

So we got a, I think we got a young group, a young team that likes to look put together. And with Coach Peterson, he's more of a casual guy. He has to wear suits and the button-ups and the ties. Oh, he wants that. Yeah, he wants that. And that's the type of style that I like to go with. No hoodies.

No hoodies. On the road, no hoodies. We're suits and buttonups for away games. but at home games we can kind of just a little bit more casual. Great meeting you. Likewise. Great meeting you. Josh Heinz Allen,

17 and a half sacks. Only T. That's a lot of sacks, bro. That is a, that's a big number. You got yours and you deserved it. Yes, sir. Thank you. Where to go.

Jordan with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Great stuff from Josh. And congrats on the new deal, my man. The Giants handed Jared Gough a massive four-year extension call in this offseason. 212 over 4.

They have their franchise quarterback going forward. With Gough last season, Sam Laporte set the record for receptions by a rookie tied-in, and he spoke to his quarterback's consistency in the building. You're not going to find somebody more consistent than Jared Gough in our building. And for him to be leading the team, you need to have consistency. You're going to have good and bad days in the NFL, just the nature of the game, and how competitive this league is. But he shows up every day he works,

and he sets the example and he sets the tone in the building. And to be able to follow him and the example that he sets for this organization, it just trickles on down from there. Really, really amazing. So happy for him and his extension and his security here in Detroit

for another couple of years. Colin, I know you've always liked Jared Gough. I don't know who throws a prettier ball. What's the next step? for him. And Stanley Port, obviously, one of the great rookie seasons of any time. I think he's accomplished the next step. So he already got to a Super Bowl in LA. But the next

step was, oh, is it McVeigh or is it you? Okay, it wasn't just McVeigh. This is the second coach. So the next iteration of Jared Goff has been accomplished. He wasn't just a McVeigh. And by the way, Sean's great.

But I think there was a lot of people that said, well, This is Sean thing. No, it's not. He went to a losing franchise where Matt Stauff didn't win this much. Sure. Now, he got a better front office. The coach works.

But I think Jared Goff has absolutely validated his number one pick. I got a Super Bowl, turned around two franchises. That's a number one pick. You don't have to win a Super Bowl. Are you a guy I can build my franchise around? He's two for two. I'm really excited to see, you know, Ben Johnson obviously comes back. Year two of Leporto, year two of Gibson,

a year two of Gibbs, David Montgomery, really good running back. I think they have the second best roster in the league. And just the offensive line alone, tremendous. So if you can keep Jared Gop up right, we've seen he is an on-time thrower. He's really accurate. I think Detroit, I know there's going to be

hunted, but I think Detroit actually upside-wise is going to take another step offensively at least this season. The Jags started off 8 and 3. We just had Josh on. Early contenders for the AFC's number one seat until Trevor Lawrence got banged up, and Jackson finish the season 1 and 5.

Heading into the season, Doug Peterson, the head coach, as the team, will use their late-season collapse as motivation gone. It's going to burn. It's going to burn for a long time until we get to meaningful games again and start playing in September. But I think that's the same fuel, you know, the motivating factor for our players. And that the way we ended is not us. And no matter what you go through as a football team,

you know, everybody goes through adversity. There's always going to be injuries. but you can't make excuses. You've got to go play football. And so for us, we've got to learn from that. Roll up our sleeves. They're in training camp, work hard, and just play one game at a time.

What do you think? Jacksonville. I think Jacksonville's going to win the division, and I think Houston's going to be a tight second. I think Indianapolis is going to be fascinating, but I don't know. I have to watch them. I think the Titans are a fourth place team. I think the Titans, I think the story in that division,

because every team's got a team. interesting narrative. I think Tennessee's narratives can Will Levis play and we'll know by Thanksgiving. If he can, they got their guy if not, they and the Raiders and the Giants will be drafting quarterbacks next year at the top of the drive. I'm in on Levis. I'm in on Richardson. I'm in on Stroud and I'm in on Lawrence. Every quarterback in that division is enticing to me. But I think Jacksonville next season, healthy, the defense of line really strong, good receivers. I like it. The team USA basketball where we saw the U.S. get out to a slow

start against Canada before taking home the win last night. Carmelo Anthony was recently asked who he thinks the starting five should be and surprisingly, he believes they should go with a young lineup of Halliburton, Anthony Edwards, Bamatabio, Jason Tatum, and Devin Booker. Mello added that he thinks LeBron,

Steph, and KD should contribute but off the bench. No. What? Off the bench? LeBron still, LeBron in this tournament will be the first second or third best player. Steph Curry will be the first second or third best player.

You're not bringing those guys off. You're not starting Bam out of by you and bringing Steph off the bench and LeBron off the bench. You said Embed though sometimes inverting the floor. Embedd is a tough. Okay. He's a tough... I mean, Embedd sometimes

screws the flow up, I feel. I understand he's great talent. He holds the ball a little bit. I think sometimes he did it in Philadelphia. That's why give Maxie the ball, let him run the offense. And on this team, I don't need M. B'd on the perimeter. See, I think the biggest question mark, or maybe even surprise would be, if Edwards

ultimately starts, and what does that do for DeBook? What does that do for Jason Tatum? Because at the end of the day, we all believe this team's going to win a gold medal. But egos do have to be sacrificed. And when you have arguably the greatest or second greatest point guard of all time and Steph Curry, what does that mean for him? So Edwards, to me, is arguably the most interesting guy here because he has the most upside.

Finally, Colin to the Euros. Yesterday's semifinal between England and the Dutch was tied at one entering injury time before we had a heroic finish from Ollie Watkins. Here's the call from Fox's Ian Dark. Here is Palmer. Ollie Watkins here. Comes on a substitute, scores his first tournament goal, and it looks like a winner. That was great. Goosebuck-bunks.

How about Southgate, the head coach, everyone's calling for him to be fired. go to the, just get out of here, we don't want you. And then he's now in the final of a Euro. By the way, England takes on Spain in the Euro final. Coverage begins Sunday at one Easter on Fox. Who's your pick? England. Wow.

It's coming home. Even though it's England. Yeah, my mom, my late mother was British, so I always kind of pull the last. I like what Alexi said that England is the Dallas Cowboys. One way or the other, you have an opinion on them. So now can they finally bring it home? I'm going to go to Spain. I like Spain.

Yeah. I like the mall, the 16-year-old kid. Isn't that incredible? Youngest ever. 16 years old. Talked about it yesterday. I know Colin at 16 wasn't scoring goals in the Euros. I wasn't.

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It's the 2024 All-Star Game. Coverage begins Tuesday at 7 p.m. Eastern on Fox. We've been very lucky over the last several days that we've had a lot of pro football players in Los Angeles for Espies, which is in downtown Los Angeles. and one of the young guys we had is Jalen Johnson, who is out of Utah, grew up in Fresno, played at Utah, has come into Chicago and is a absolutely knock it out of the park corner. And we talked. So he was at that OTA for Caleb Williams. Somebody I defended multiple times on the show. I know Caleb well enough to know.

I thought he was super confident. I don't think he's cocky. I thought all the criticism on the fingernail polish is. just nonsense and a waste of time. But I did ask, you know, Jaylen, his early impressions of this USC, the first NIL star in college, his impressions initially on Caleb. He's a confident guy in itself on the field, off the field. I think it's one of those things where he's very secure in who he is.

He's very confident and knows the work that he puts in to be able to have that confidence. And at the end of the day, I mean, he's a high-sum winner. He's the guy that got drafted number one. So I don't feel like he shouldn't have confidence at the end of the day. I think it's one of those things that he embraces and he walks in who he is as a player who he is as a man. I think that's something that seeing him in person, and he blended in right away with the locker room with the guys. And that's only going to continue to grow. But I think he's came in and handled everything perfectly, just come in and working, coming in and jelling with the guys, the offense.

You can see everything coming together how it's supposed to be. Well, what's really interesting for the Bears, and in a weird way, when Justin Fields went only, only for a six-round pick. It actually, if you're a Bears fan, is encouraging because what it's telling you is that Justin Fields, despite his athletic ability, who won seven games for the Bears, they weren't atrocious. They won seven games.

And the NFL marketplace was telling you, we've all looked at the film, we don't think Justin Fields is close to being the guy. So if Caleb, the gap between Caleb and Justin Fields, I think is greater than the, you know, the typical bear fan thinks they're young, they're athletic, they move well, they've got big arms. But the marketplace in the NFL was telling you Justin's not the guy. He'd probably not a franchise guy. Meanwhile, the marketplace, when you watch hard knocks and you watch the New York Giants coaches, Brian Dayball, who's comparing Caleb to Brett Fav, that's the difference.

I think a lot of people in Chicago think, you know, Justin and Caleb, big guys run well, good arms. The gap, I think, is much greater than people understand. My only knock on Caleb was his accuracy can be a bit inconsistent, but he is a power thrower. He's not a big guy. He's only six feet tall. But he plays much bigger in person. He's big, he's thick, hands, head, butt. He's, you know, you're running over line back. So he plays really big and he has a power arm.

He sometimes leaned into the spectacular over the pedestrian. But I think a lot of that was, USC just did not, they weren't equipped offensive line play, was not equipped to protect him. And the Pac-12 really was the last two years, way above average for the Pac-12. Last year was as good as the Pac-12 has been in 25 years. So Caleb was running for his life with a very average offensive line. So I think the criticism of Caleb that he was sort of an ad libber. He wasn't the previous year when I thought he got better protection.

And in the end, the offensive line protection eroded. Act 12 was really good. And he was kind of having to kind of ad lib. And I think the takeaway is, was Caleb coachable? You know, he's kind of a big personality. I think Chicago's O-Line and weapons, those detractors and critics will be muted. I think his accuracy, a lot of it was when you get hit and pressured, you let the ball go a little more quickly than you naturally would.

It's you're tired of getting hit. I think Chicago will protect him. The weapons are better. He'll be very good. They also talked about SC last year, Colin, they were playing from behind, Jason points. They fire the defensive coordinator after Pennix and Company put up like 48 or 50 on him. So if you're playing from behind in that conference, that's tough. I'll tell you what I think I mentioned it once before,

but Cliff Kingsbury told me Caleb Williams, and he had him all year, at SC. He told me Caleb Williams was as talented or as close to Patrick Mahomes as he's ever seen. And for me, that's all I need to hear. Now, Chicago we've talked about it, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Swift, Komet, there's a lot of weapons there. He's going to have a really good

rookie year. The other thing that really helps is when you get a Keenan Allen, this is an adult, this is a mature veteran. Romadunze was, I talked to two executives in the league. One had a later first round pick. He goes, we'd really like Roma Dense.

Adunze is a very mature player. So what you're getting in Chicago is you're getting Luke Getsey, a very mature rookie receiver, Keenan Allen's a veteran, Cole Commit, Gerald Everett. These are veteran players. I don't think this is going to be like a slow build. I think Chicago is going to be pretty interesting very quickly. I don't think. And in the division, the best defense in the division is Chicago's.

So Minnesota has to generate better. pass rush. Green Bay's defense never quite lives up to the hype. Detroit's got some issues in the back end. They're trying to solve. So if you're Caleb Williams, you're not walking into the AFC North. You know, you're not walking into Belichick and his prime in McDermott. You're walking into a really gifted offensive division. The defense you see at practice in Chicago is the division's best defense. I think Chicago's going to score some points and be, they're probably the most interesting

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