The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The improvement of Caleb Williams

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

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I thought Kenan Allen became his primary target, which I love when young quarterbacks, Bo Nicks, Cortland Sutton, a Jaden Daniels, Terry McLaurin. I like when Caleb, like, designates, okay, I'm going to Keenan Allen. This is what I'm working on. It felt like that. What did the tape say, 45 years at NFL films, what did the tape say on Caleb Williams?

Yeah, I thought he looked really good, and there was one thing that really stood out, and I think that's essential to be a really high-level quarterback in this league, particularly as a passer. And that was his willingness and ability to make tight window throws between the number, and between the hashes against zone defense. And the thing that's so impressive about that is he saw those throws as viable throws, as throws that he was willing to make. And there's a lot of quarterbacks that are good quarterbacks in this league

that don't necessarily see those throws as viable throws. We know he can run around and make plays. Of course, everybody focused on that pass to Swift when he ran to his right. And he'll make those kinds of plays, but that won't make him a great quarterback. So I was really impressed just with the confidence, the willingness he showed to make difficult, tight window throws between the numbers and between the hashes. Let's stay in that game and stay in the NFC North because Minnesota now is a real thing. This is 9 and 2. You know, we all kept waiting for the bubble to burst.

What are they doing to get the best out of Sam Darnold? Because that's what I'm seeing. The best Sam by a long shot. Oh, yeah. Well, it all comes down to how you structure your past game, the route concepts, the route combinations, how you present them to the quarterback, particularly against zone coverage. Man to man obviously is a different animal because then you can pick out who you want to throw to. But when you're playing against zone coverage, it's the route concepts and the combinations that become so important

and how you present that to the quarterback to read them based on anticipated zone concepts. And you know, Kevin O'Connell does such a good job, with that and they have such good concepts where they overload zones. They put corners and safeties in conflict because they're not just going to stand their corners and safeties. They have to react to routes. So they put them in conflict with the nature of routes. And Donald's reading this really clearly. You've always watched Donald Colin. I don't think we've ever seen him throw the ball this confidently from the pocket in the NFL where he feels really comfortable in what he's seeing and who he's throwing it to. Okay, now tomorrow,

Green Bay Miami late game, fascinating, warm weather Miami and Tua have struggled up north. So let's start with the dolphins who have played very good football for several weeks sort of started in that loss to output Buffalo. So what are they doing? Why is their offense just more viable

as they ran the Patriots off the field? Well, I think it goes back to when Tua plays, even going back to last year when he led the NFL in passing yards. They use motion and more than any team in the league. There's more movement before the snap of the ball in their offense than any other team in the league. And Mike McDaniel does such a great job in terms of moving defenders with his motion. So he expands the defense. He widens the defense.

He creates windows. And there's no better window thrower in the NFL than to it in terms of throwing with timing and anticipation. I mean, I can tell you you're watching tape. There's so many times where he's starting his delivery when I watch a play from the end zone camera and the receiver's not even in the screen yet. He's just so good at that and they do such a great job of creating just enough space in those windows for him. I mean, last week, for instance, they obviously felt that the Patriots could not stop the pass because in the first half when they built, I believe, a 24-0 lead. They had 37 called plays, 27 called passes and only 10 called runs. So they obviously felt that they could throw the ball against the Patriots, and they did.

But Tua's looked really good. He's been really sharp. The ball comes out of his hand. He's taking short passes quicker if he doesn't feel like he has a throw. It's just been a very, very efficient offense. So it's interesting. I like Aaron Jones, but Josh Jacobs, to me, feels like more the classic workhorse. You can give him 20 carries.

He's just, there are not many backs like that. He is now one of them. Are the Packers when you watch film? because Jordan Love, I like him, but he can be reckless. Are they better suited to be a power run team maybe? Well, you're right about Jacobs, by the way, Colin. He's a much more physical runner. He's a power runner.

He moves the pile. And they're really good in the run game. Another team that uses motion really well. You see Jaden Reed in the backfield, all different kinds of motions. It's all designed to impact run support, to get second-level defenders to play with their eyes incorrectly. They had 42 rushes last week. They had 22 rushes by backs in the first half last week against the 49ers.

So yes, they can run the ball, and I think the running game as a whole. You know, there's a number of teams playing really well where the run game is clearly the foundation. It doesn't mean the quarterback's not important, but teams are playing much more out of 12 personnel with two tight ends running the football. Jacobs is clearly the kind of back that you can give the ball, as you say, 20 plus times a game. I want to talk about the Eagles who, since the by week, have become very efficient, I've got a much greater sort of identity, and now they face Baltimore. Now, the Ravens' defense can be physical, but on the back end, it's susceptible to getting burned, and with A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, this feels like personnel-wise,

it's a good matchup for Philly against the Ravens. What do you expect their offense to do against Baltimore? Yeah, it's interesting game because Baltimore's strengths on defense, which is stopping the run, is exactly what Philly's identity is. Philly has developed a clear identity. They're a run-first offense, and they are a defensive team now. So that's what they are. They don't really ask Jalen Hertz in the past game to do an awful lot. And Hertz's way of playing really fits what they are because he's kind of risk-averse.

He doesn't force the ball. We know that his legs are a factor both by design. and as a scrambler, and he doesn't turn it over. So when you can run the ball really well and they wear you down with the run game, they don't score a lot of points early, they wear you down, and their defense has become really, really good. But they're playing a team that normally stops the run very well. So we'll see how Philly chooses to come out this week.

Yeah, I've got to tell you, I loved Arizona against Seattle, off a by week. They're playing well. Seattle fundamentally took them out of their offense. What did you see from Kyler Murray? I mean, off a buy with that collection of talent, what did you see from Kyler's performance? It wasn't really Kyler. I mean, I think to me, Kyler is almost the same every week.

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Is it the return of T. Higgins? What are the moves they've made offensively? It doesn't seem like anybody matches up well. No, I mean, I think Burrow, you could argue he's playing the best quarterback in the league. And we know Burrough is a really good player. He just has such a really, such a good feel for the pocket. He understands how to move in the pocket. He understands when pocket movement is required versus getting out of the pocket.

He's been accurate throwing the football. T. Higgins is back now, so they've got two quality wide. outs. Chase is obviously just really, really good. He's a top three receiver in the league. So you're just dealing with a really efficient pass offense. And Chase Brown's been running the ball effectively. He gives them just enough in the run game that it's not just throw ball the entire game. Their defense has really been poor this year. And it's made every game a shootout, and it's just hard to win those games week in and week out. But Joe Burrow is playing at a really high level. I want to end with this.

I said Daniel Jones will never be a great quarterback, but he could be the best backup in the league. He just went to a situation. When your talent is somewhat limited, you need a better fit. Caleb Williams will be spectacular, and they can't get the coaching right. But when you're kind of a guy, Andy Dalton, certainly capable, but you're not a spectacular. You don't erase mistakes of your coach. coaching staff. Could Daniel Jones go to Minnesota and could we see how much more of an elevate, and this is nothing against Dayball, but the old line was bad. They didn't have a number one receiver.

They didn't have a tight end. They let Sequin go. He had nothing to work with it. He's not that kind of player. Now he's got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, a left tackle, a run game, tight ends. How good can Daniel Jones be with the right elements? Because I've seen Sam Darnold shock most people in the league. Yeah, I mean, my sense with Jones, and I've always felt this, and it just never worked with the Giants for the reasons you just laid out,

is I always felt he could be a good ball distributor in the right situation. And he needs what you said, which most quarterbacks do, by the way. There's not 20 quarterbacks in the league that are transcendent that can just dominate games. What's going to be really interesting there is the way Darnold's playing,

let's assume playoffs, I'd have to believe they'd think about signing Sam Darnold, and then Daniel Jones comes in. What do they do next year? They have J.J. McCarthy. But I agree with you about Jones in that I think with a running game, with a solid O line, with quality receivers, a system that's really good at presenting defined reads and throws, that he could be an efficient player who could run your offense effectively. Yeah. He's a big kid that moves well. I mean, that's some of it.

We like size. He moves well. He's a little mechanical. He's a little mechanical. It's not a pretty. The aesthetic isn't great. You know, there's just certain guys like Mahomes where it's just, he just flows. It's just, you know, he's like water.

He just finds the opening. Daniel's a bit more mechanical. Yeah. Mechanical isn't necessarily an issue depending on what you mean by that, because you could argue Jared Goff's a little mechanical too. But it, you know, when you have a good system and a lot of things, and you're a really good thrower as Goff is, you've been watching him. for years, I'm sure, since he was in high school and college,

I mean, that can all work. Yeah. They say that about Justin Herbert sometimes. That was the knockout of Oregon. He was a bit mechanical. So to your point, you know, you get the ball out quick to the right people in the right spot. It doesn't matter what you are.

You can win a lot of games doing it that way. No, you're right. That's right. You're exactly right. Greg CoSell, happy Thanksgiving to you and the family. Greg, as always, thanks. You too, Colin. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Don't forget. J. Max picks her around the corner, but first, J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's start with Jimmy Johnson's take on Travis Hunter earlier.

He's the best player in college football. Many would agree. Jimmy was talking about both sides of the football. However, there's an award called the Thorpe Award given to the best defensive back in the country. Yeah. Travis Hunter was not one of the three finalists, Colin. And Coach Prime, he was not thrilled. How is Travis Hunter

Snub by the Jim Thorpe Award? You can have my award, you can have it back. As a matter of fact, I'm going to give it mine. I ain't using it. It's just sitting up there collecting dust. So Travis is going to have my Thorpe Award because if this ain't the most idiotic thing in college football, that he's not a finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award,

he rarely gets thrown at. He's won a game for tackling for us. and he's always on point. They just pretty much messed up all the integrity of the award, and he could have mine. Yeah, I mean, it's, I'll say this, college awards, the Heismans regional. He's the best player in college football.

That I would say. He's the best athlete, best athlete, best player in college football. Best athlete I can give you, best player? How are you quantifying that? When I watch him play, he's way faster than everybody else. So it's speed. He's just got dexterity. He can do different things.

He's just a world-class athlete. He'd start for every team in the league somewhere. Every team in the NFL? Every single team in the... Shadour Sanders isn't starting for every team. Cam Ward's not starting for every team. Travis Hunter's the only guy in this draft. I do think Kelvin Banks, the offensive tackle for Texas,

would start for almost every team. There's Mason Graham, a defensive tackle for Michigan. He's good. He's going to start for almost every team. I think he's about seven guys that would start for every single team. but Travis is a would be the best athlete on almost every team he played for immediately. I think he's that good.

He would be the best athlete on almost any team in the NFL? Derwin James came out of Florida State to the Chargers. He was the best athlete by far on the Chargers. And you could argue immediately a top five athlete in the league. He was that good at out of Florida State. Oh, Durwin James was unbelievable. He was great, but come on. We need to pump the brakes on this.

All right. I mean, like, obviously, a tremendous athlete, yes, but better than any player in the NFL. Who's the best athlete right now in the league? Where do you even begin? That's right. That's what I'm saying. There isn't one. There isn't one guy you're like, oh, that's the best athlete. I mean, but what matters most at athlete? Like, is it, like, Sequin Barclay leaping backwards over someone. Does that make him the best athlete? He's one of the better ones. I mean, what about the kid on the Cowboys, Turpin, who is one of the fastest guys the NFL's ever seen? Well, I think Jalen Johnson for Chicago.

Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase. A lot of the perimeter guys could play basketball and baseball. So basically you're into speed. Okay. Well, I like speed. That's why you like me, because I'm super fast. I like speed and length. Gerth depends.

Jalen Carter's great, but he's not one of the best athletes. That's what she said. Okay, moving on. Let's go, Colin. Your boy, Bo Nix. How good has Bo Nix been? Oh, my gosh. Obviously, we have to give a lot of credit to Sean Payton and his coaching,

but Bo Nix is giving credit to one guy on the Broncos you wouldn't expect. Cortland Sutton. He's just reliable. He's just always there where you need him. He's smart. He's savvy. He makes plays when the ball's in the air. You can trust him because when it's up in the air,

it's his or nobody. So, you know, it's not going to be a pick. And, you know, he goes for two touchdowns. That just kind of speaks for, you know, what he means to our team. Bo Nix. Yeah, your guy. Yes, my God. By the way, you can be honest.

Do you text Bo Nix? I don't like to bother players during the season. Fair enough. Coach is all bother. He's going to have a tough assignment, Cortland Sutton this weekend. Cleveland. Denzel Ward.

Hello. One of the best athletes in the AFC. Now, that's one of those good. He's a great athlete. He's a great athlete. He can avoid concussions. He's a great athlete. I mean, Pickens.

Of the Steelers. Tyree Kill. Tyree Kill. Yeah. Pickin Steelers up there. There's a lot of guys. Come on. Kyle Hamilton in the race.

I mean, I could name $50 million. Anyways, let's get to the final story. The Kansas City Chiefs. We have a cool soundbite here. So Travis Kelsey was talking about Josh Allen. Remember the Josh Allen touchdown run. to beat the Chiefs. Well, Travis Kelsey went on his podcast,

and he said he knew that Josh Allen would go Superman in that exact moment. Give me A, B, or C. I'm saying Josh Allen is doing something with his feet. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Josh Allen, I mean, they were on quarterback power. They were like, yeah, let's put it in Superman's hands. Yeah, no doubt. Josh Allen, pretty good.

If you didn't know the results, you were just told that Mahomes and Josh Allen are both great. That's all you knew, and you did a redraft. I contend everybody would take Josh Allen. You didn't know who'd want Superwoles. You were just told they both end up being great. Josh is bigger, stronger, faster. That's a good take. Are we sure he's faster than Mahomes?

Mahomes is kind of quick. Deceptively quick. He's got that dad mod. He does. But it's interesting because Alan's done it with different offensive coordinators. They've had a lot of change there. Patrick Mahomes has had Andy read the whole time, you know? That's interesting.

what would like, like if you flip them, Mahomes to the Bills and Josh Allen to the Chiefs. You'd have Josh Allen with Super Bowls. Would be totally dominant. Well, I mean, Mahomes may be good enough to get one in Buffalo. I think Mahomes is better, but I think Josh is really. Yeah, like, I mean, you could do that all day. Can you imagine Dan Marino with Bill Walsh? Dan Marino had Don't win one.

I don't tell me. I don't think Don't shul as an offensive mind in the Bill Wall. He's the winningest coach. league history. He is one of the, he's amazing, but, I mean, Bill Walsh, offensive, like, arguably the greatest offensive coach. Dan Marino got to one Super Bowl with, at the time, the best coach in football.

Maybe it's a little on Dan Marino. Oh, oh. Well, I mean, I mean, Dan Marino had a little Aaron Rogers. He didn't like a lot of motion. He liked to just walk up to the line, see it, and go. Which, you know, I guess man-to-man that's fine, but when the league got more into zone,

that's a different ball game. This is what I like about Arr banter. I can basically throw anything at you and you'll have a take. And I'm ready to discuss it with you. Like the Dan Marino thing just came out organically. Well, no, Dan Marino. When the league was all man-to-man, Dan Marino, but once the league got into zone, you need motion,

you need things that a quarterback sees. I've heard this from other people. Marino's a little like Aaron Rogers. I don't want any motion. I go to the line. Let me see the defense. Well, Dan Marino and Aaron Rogers are super. Super Bowl trophy light.

Whereas Brady was like motion, give me more motion. Peyton Manning, give me more motion. Andrew Luck, give me more motion. Mahomes, give me more motion. Marino didn't like all that motion. He just wanted to walk up and use his arm. And it cost him. And Aaron Rogers, I don't like a lot of motion.

And it's costing. So how do you handle, to go back to Mahomes Allen, how do you handle that discussion then? Because... Well, when Dan was... You're essentially saying Josh Allen is better than Mahomes. Mahomes is just one more. I'm saying...

traits. I'm saying if you were told, I mean, Josh Allen was viewed when he got drafted as a top 10 quarterback prospect all time. L-Way-1, Peyton Manning, three or four. He was viewed as a top-10 all-time prospect. Six-six,

fast, huge arm. There was nothing about him. Nice kid, coachable. I mean, everybody loved everything. He was just a, his accuracy was wild. Right. But, I mean, Mahomes didn't have a winning record in college. Yeah, losing record. And not to go off on a tangent, but listening to the Josh Allen rant.

So Justin Herbert is almost the same size as Josh Allen. But he's not as fluid an athlete. He's not as good an athlete. Oh, I don't know, man. Justin Herbert's like a gazelle in the open field. He's not as fluid. He's a little bit more on the camera. I'll check there 40 times during the commercial break.

But, um, and Herbert has no accuracy questions. No, but I don't know why Herbert's not in the discussion for best quarterback. A lot. A lot of scouts. Not me. We can roll the tape. You want to go back to 20, whatever year it was. No, I'm just telling you. There's no way you were on tour.

And I'll never forget, I got to give you credit. You watched the Rose Bowl, and I think you called me in the fourth quarter, and you were like, holy hell, Justin Herbert. Look at this guy. I was like, yeah, that's not the Herbert we saw all season. I'll never forget that call because I was like, this guy could be something big in the NFL. That was like the moment, that Rose Bowl game. Well, CJ Stroud against Georgia running and scrambling.

It's like, I haven't seen that all year. JMAX's picks coming up. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. Heard Lye News. All right, his picks next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name? Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.

Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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It's down to nine and a half. Who are these people betting on the Bears? The headline, Will B. You ain't seen stuffing yet. Bears get casseroid. Look at my man, Jared Goff. I got a lot of notes here, Colin. But the number one thing is, remember, the number one seat in the NFC is huge this year.

Detroit indoors or Philadelphia. outdoors. I think that would be a huge advantage for Philly. So Detroit's got to keep winning. They keep their foot on the gas. You know, something like the chiefs, they're known to take their foot off the gas, maybe run a little more. Detroit, they don't hold back. They're putting 50 burgers on you. And I do believe that there is something to this whole, man, Dan Campbell and Jared Gough haven't won together on Thanksgiving? Gough looking for a redemption after last year's game against the Packers. And I think they kind of put it on Caleb Williams here. Now, one interesting slow plot is Caleb Williams has done great against zone defense this year.

against man much, I'm sorry, the opposite. He's dominated man, struggled against zone. Well, the lions are tinkering. They've been switching since Aidan Hutchison. So I think there'll be a little surprise for Caleb Williams. Is it going to be man? Are they going to do zone? And I think Detroit kind of hammers them here.

I think they lower the boom, 3513-ish lions. I don't disagree. Tomorrow's headlines today. Dolphins at the Green Bay Packers. Hmm. Yeah. Cold weather, check. outdoors, check.

Things are lining up for one side. The headline will be Packeroni and cheese. Fins just a side dish. Listen, I know everybody thinks oh, Green Bay is going to walk over. This could be competitive. Green Bay has, they have not been the team we thought they'd be, right?

We thought maybe Super Bowl sleeper from the Packers, and they kind of just sleptwalk through the season, up and down a little bit. But Miami has turned it around the last three weeks since Tua got back. Let's go over them. They beat the Rams out here in LA, that was a mysterious game. The Rams were just clunky.

And then they beat the Raiders and they beat the Patriots. So they're beating a couple bad teams and the Rams are under 500. So is that that impressive from Miami? I think Green Bay is in a spot where they think maybe if the lions slip up, could we catch them? And that's why compounded

with the weather and two of struggles and cold that we know, I like the Packers here. Now it's three, but at three and a half, I don't know that hook is dangerous. But we both, I think the Packers Jordan Love, remember, popped last year on Thanksgiving. Now, this is a night game and probably, what, 30 million people watching? Jordan Love, I think he's back, baby.

Tomorrow's headlines today. Raiders Chiefs. Raiders kind of look beat up and exhausted and not ready to compete. My worst pick of the year last year was the Chiefs on Christmas Day against the Raiders, where the Raiders beat them. Let's see what happens on Black Friday. The headline will be sack Friday sales. Raiders flattened when doors.

open. The Raiders just announced here in the last 10 minutes that Aiden O'Connell will be starting. The mighty Aiden O'Connell coming off the injury. He's going to be starting, and I checked the temperatures were in the 30s on Black Friday. Aden O'Connell going outdoors. Immobile Aden O'Connell. Yes, and Kansas City gets back. My main man, Isaiah Pacheco, one of my favorite running backs in the league. Colin, listen, he has another dimension to this offense because he catches passes out of the backfield. Kareem Hunt, he was okay at that, but he's a little older. I just, I don't see it with the Raiders. They're starting, I think, Amir Abdullah.

What is he, like 37 at running back? Not a lot of options for the Raiders. I like the Chiefs here big. This is an interesting one next. Tomorrow's headlines today. Seattle look great. Now they go to Aaron and the Jets who are swimming in nonsense. Yeah.

What say you? It's on Fox. I noticed you kind of laid off a little bit of the Aaron Rogers, because there's a lot of noise this week. It's almost like you're over it. You're kind of sick of them. The headline will be. Cran buried. Jets get lost in the sauce.

Listen, I'm a Jets guy. You guys know that. I think this is the first time I picked against them, maybe all season. You followed this story. Aaron Rogers just keeps talking. This is the guy who in the off season was like, hey, we want to keep it on football, keep that crap out of the building.

He's going interviews all the time. Well, I don't know if I'm going to play next year. If I do play, it's probably with the jet. This is all we've heard for the Jets in the last two weeks. And it's like, dude, what are we doing here? The defense is clearly quick. on Old Brecht. They're not really tackling well. And now you've got a Seahawks team that's starting to peak.

They put Arizona down pretty well last week after the win over San Fran. And I talked about it. They're going with the single high safety, taking away the run. You take away Breece Hall. And now Aaron Rogers has to beat those tough corners, Witherspoon, the other guy whose name on spacing on who's incredible. I don't see how the Jets compete here. Would not surprise me if this were 28, 11, and the Jets got embarrassed. and arrow, you know, the stuff swirling around Rogers is not good, Colin. I think the Seahawks live to win that NFC West Division. Finally.

Tomorrow's headlines today. Texan Jaguars in Javille. This screams, Jemak. You love those AFC South, NFC, South battles. I also enjoy you. Enjoy our discussions about who's the next Jaguars coach. That's fun. But for this one, the headline will be.

Happy Tank's Giving. Jags grateful for picks. Yeah, I'm on Houston here. Houston has lost three of four. They did beat Dallas. And I noted it last week when I liked the Titans. So they had three primetime games in a row. It was the Jets, the Lions, and the Cowboys.

It's a lot of primetime games are totally different than Sunday 1 p.m. So then it was a little come down for the Titans. I see a big bounce back here. So CJ Stroud will absolutely eviscerate zone defenses. And in the earlier meeting against Jacksonville, 345 yards passing, two touchdowns. He didn't have Mixon. Mixon's now back, and Mixon's off his worst game of the season.

22 yards against the Titans. We know Stroud's offensive line's been bad, Colin. I look to look at pressure rates. Jags ranked 31st in the league in pressure rate. They do not get at the quarterback. Stroud's going to have a clean pocket. Laramie Tunsel, no penalties. I think Houston says, guys, guys, we're not bad.

We are a team. We can get this going. And I think the Texans kind of claw back and beat down a bad Jackson. That was my second favorite pick on the board. Trevor Lawrence, it looks like he may go. He's touching. We'll see. They haven't announced it officially.

That would be a big get-back, but why would they play him? If he's hurt and they're trying to tank? Listen to this. Brock Purdy of the Niners, limited at practice today. Nick Bosa, Trent Williams, did not practice. I had to leave the bills out. The bills, they're going to crush the 49ers here. You know Sam Fran's spirits are down.

Well, and Brock Purdy now limited at practice, a shoulder issue. for a guy that didn't have a big arm to begin with. Now he's got a throwing shoulder issue. He's two months away from getting a massive contract, Colin. Is he risking that shoulder? Like a further injury, surgery? He's not getting paid if he has an injury. You're paying him big money? Is that your thing?

Well, I mean, I'm not going to pay a big money. I think we could talk him into a Baker-Mayfield-ish-type contract. I don't know if he would like that. But, hey, Brock, do you want to have Debo and Kittle? What's the market? Huh? What's the market for him? If they drop Purdy?

What's the market? I don't know. I mean, it's more robust than Sam Darnold, that's for sure. No. Oh, come on. Sam's bigger, stronger athlete, better arm. We have like five years of Sam Darnal. He's got one good year with Kevin O'Connell.

Brock Purdy, genius with Kyle Shannon. Small, hurt again. You're just obsessed with, like, can the guy throw the football out of the stadium? Well, I like Brock, but you have, you have categorized him into the Lamar. Two years of you saying Josh Mahomes, Purdy, MVP, he's not that. Well, the numbers back me up. Yeah, but numbers, stats lie a lot.

There's a lot of stats. Obviously, Darnold is getting, like Gardner Minchew with Shane Steichen and Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman. That's not who he is. He's much closer to the Raiders version. So you can have the, like Sam Darnold right now, is he this good? Well, history tells you he's got a perfect two receivers,

corner, great coach. I mean, so if you're the Raiders and you're picking eighth, you would take Darnold over Purdy? If they both wanted the exact same contract. I think I'd take Donald. I think he's a bigger, stronger professional athlete with a bigger arm.

I know. A lot of people like him. I would take Bernie. Well, I'm not outraged by it. Not outraged. You don't get outraged by both. Everybody be safe tonight. It's a night. Craisies are out.

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