The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The issues with the Bears

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Colin talks to former Bears head coach Dave Wannstedt about Chicago firing their offensive coordinator as rookie QB Caleb Williams regresses and struggles once againSee omnystudio.com/listener for pri...vacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:00 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 39 seasons, NFL college coaching experience, former Bears head coach and a Dolphins head coach. We thought he was perfect today. Has a great relationship with Matt Eberflus, who is on the ropes in Chicago. Our friend Dave Wonstadt is now joining us long. So let's start with this mess about, you know, Three weeks ago, four weeks ago, Caleb's playing well. He's completing 74% of his throws, and then it just goes sideways.
Starting point is 00:03:37 What happened? Well, when they beat Jacksonville went into the buy, everybody was giddy around time, and Caleb was playing good. You're right, Colin. But in that Jacksonville game, they were like 29 runs, 29 passes. That's what made me excited. and then since then, you know, it's been two to one pass. And here's the problem, okay?
Starting point is 00:04:03 There's a lot of problems. But here's what happened, in my opinion. Shane Waldron, and I was all into Shane Waldron. Keep in mind, the Bears interviewed seven, yes, seven offensive coordinator candidates. So Ryan Pulse was on every trip. So it was him and Fluse. So they are both in on this. And they made the decision on Shane.
Starting point is 00:04:27 So I jumped on board. Okay, I'm going to support you because Shane was with Pete Carroll, defensive guy, and he wants to run the ball. Shane was with Bill Belichick. Obviously, defensive guy wants to run the ball. So I said this guy is going to be balanced. And so I was all excited about it. And then they cut the fullback in training camp and get rid of the fullback.
Starting point is 00:04:50 And the offensive line coach, who I think is a heck of a coach, he's a protege of Chris Forster, who's the line coach with the 49ers. So I'm saying to myself, uh-oh, I don't like the fields of this. So as we get moving forward, now they got four offensive linemen on, you know, inactive, one gets hurt, and they got the same game plan. Here's where the mistake is. And I've been through this. When you got offensive linemen that either any experience hurt or just aren't as good,
Starting point is 00:05:20 that's where your game plan has to start. And the bears have done it backwards, in my opinion. In other words, you've got to sit down and say, okay, what can the guys do that I have, Colin? And what can they have some success with? Because if they can't be successful, nothing else matters. Right. Okay, now, this is what we can do with them.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Let's add the runs. Let's add the passes. And now let's go win a football game. I've got to tell you a quick story. When I was at the Dolphins, 2001, I believe it was, Tennessee had never lost down there at that stadium. Their new stadium. And it was McNair and Eddie George and the free gun defense curse and the whole group. Great team.
Starting point is 00:06:02 And we went down there to open up the season. All right. And Chang Daly was my offensive coordinator, and Tony Wise was a line coach. They came in and said, coach, we can't block these guys. We can't throw the ball on third down. We can't drop back. I was like, are you serious? the chance says, let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Every time we get in third, Don, it's going to be quarterback draw, running back draw. You're going to see more screens this week and you've ever seen your life, coach. If we drop back, the quarterback will have no chance we can't win. Well, look at the final score
Starting point is 00:06:32 and look how it all ended up. We did not throw, drop, that path. Play action, screens, and run the ball. And unfortunately, the Bears' offensive line, that's where they're at. Yep. And they do it backwards here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:44 have you lost any confidence in Caleb Williams or do you still think he's the real deal? You know what? He understands what happens. His press conference, the first thing he said afterwards, he says, I made mistakes today to cost us. You know, when he threw the one to DJ Moore, he was supposed to hand it off.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Okay, he made a bad read. But the one, it really bothered me because quarterback's got to know when you are in the red zone. This is football 101. what, in my opinion, you know, you don't take, you don't get a sack, you don't throw, take a chance on interception, don't change the snap con, because we got three points. Red zone alert, okay? Football 101.
Starting point is 00:07:26 And he takes a sack when they were in the red zone. And he said it, though. That's the point that I like. I made a major mistake. We were in a red zone. I should have gotten rid of the ball. So he understands football, intelligent-wise, when he does make a mistake. Yeah. But right now, he, you know, he's holding the ball a little bit. too long. There's no question about that.
Starting point is 00:07:46 And remember his days at USC. He was facing more, drop 8, rush 3 than anybody in college football, because he wanted to hold the ball and get the play. And there were some underneath throws that were open to
Starting point is 00:08:01 Colcomat the tight end to the running back, the Andre Swift, and he didn't take it. Yeah. He forced that thing and made a bad throw to DJ Moore or somebody. Yeah. Now that was a knock knock on USC that he wouldn't take the layups. He wouldn't take the gimmies. Yep.
Starting point is 00:08:15 You're absolutely right. That was the knock on him, and you're right. And he has shown a little bit of that. Now, Russell Wilson, I mean, listen, I didn't buy Pittsburgh. Mike's a great coach, but I thought the offense, I thought they were tone deaf to offense the last three or four years. Couldn't get the run game. The O line, the O.C. right. And Mike's a defensive guy.
Starting point is 00:08:38 I got to be honest. Did you think Russell Wilson still had something in the tank? 100%. Look at his numbers from last year, Colin. I said this, when they traded for him, I think the guy had 26, 27 touchdowns and like eight interceptions,
Starting point is 00:08:55 which is three to one. I think he was three to one touchdowns, interceptions. That's good football. That's playoff football. So I thought he did for sure. And I think what's happened here in Pittsburgh now, you know, anytime you've got a Super Bowl ring and you go into the huddle
Starting point is 00:09:11 and your team's behind her, it's even, it's close and you know he's got the outgoing confident personality and he comes into the huddle i think everybody believes that hey we're going to get it done so i think it's as much his attitude and give arthur smith a lot of credit the offensive coordinator they hired that that mike hired there from atlanta he's doing a heck of a job with that offense run and pass yeah um i remember year one with the dolphins didn't you go like 11 and 5 or something They're 11 of 5 and won the division and then beat, one of playoff game, beat the Colts.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Yeah, so and then lost out in Oakland at the time. Okay. So you turned it around in one year. Harbaugh, this was the worst defense in the league. Now they're rated number one. It's the same players. What did he do? What is it?
Starting point is 00:10:08 Coach Jim Harbaugh for a quarterback, head coach. he has never gotten caught up I mean we saw his teams at Michigan and you know I do Big Ten network every week and so I talk to Jim regular I was when he was at Michigan coach they didn't throw a pass
Starting point is 00:10:25 the fourth quarter and half the game against Penn State yeah against Penn State he just they just ran it so my point is that his style and his philosophy and the fundamentals that Jim works on I don't want to use the word old school okay but he believes in physical, running the ball and playing defense, and he's never gotten caught up in all this
Starting point is 00:10:48 wide-open spread stuff. And he does what he believes in, and he gets the results. See, the guy is fantastic. They don't commit many mistakes. They don't turn the ball over much, and they're just going to get better and better there. So I said it happens about once a year. It happened to the Rams last year, where they got hot, they got healthy and hot, middle of the season won seven of eight almost beat the lions we saw the bengals do it in 2022 we saw brady do it week 13
Starting point is 00:11:18 by bucks were seven and five by week came out schedule was easy a couple falcon games got rolling i watched the dolphins last night and i'm like boy they were good on third down two is healthy do you buy him or is it a lot of sizzle for you do you buy miami um no i mean i i hope they turn I got to see more. I got to see more. And the Rams are a good team. I mean, when the Rams played the Bears here, it was earlier in the year,
Starting point is 00:11:51 and all their star receivers were. I didn't even know who the receivers were from the Rams at the time, but they played the Bears. And I'll tell you, Stafford, and those guys went up and down the field on the Bears. The Bears won, but it was a last-minute win. Yeah. So I'll give the Dolphins defense credit for that.
Starting point is 00:12:07 You said third-down, third-down was really the only statistic that they played better, in my opinion, that when you look at the big picture than the Rams, I've got to see more, Colin. Yeah, they're a little sizzly. You don't always feel like you get sick. You get a little sizzly to me.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Yeah. Hey, they are. And, you know, we've got to see them against a tough physical opponent. When they play Buffalo, things will get separated, in my opinion, in a hurry. All right, I want to go back to the Bears. So you know, I prefer in 2020. an offensive coach. They had Nagy.
Starting point is 00:12:43 I thought he was pretty good. They ran him out of town. He got Trubisky to the playoffs twice. They didn't like him. He was too soft. Whatever. I thought he was pretty good. Not great, pretty good.
Starting point is 00:12:51 And now they got a defensive guy. Would you go get Vrabel Belichick, a big name? Would you go young offensive guy? Would you go college guy? If they make a change, is there a direction you think they should go? No. And I'm going to say that because obviously I'm a defensive guy. And, but, you know, the expectations of the Bears football team coming into this season,
Starting point is 00:13:20 there was really two boxes that needed to be checked. It was number one, obviously with this offense, we got to score enough points to win the game. We didn't get that done. And then the development of Caleb Williams. So if you get, you know, whoever, in my opinion, offense, defense, I hope it's Fluse. You know, here's what has to happen with Fluse. if he wants to get this thing turned, in my opinion, he needs to let Eric Washington take over to defensive play,
Starting point is 00:13:46 calling. Just bear with me for a second. And he needs to be in every darn the offensive meeting this week. Got a new play car, and he needs to go in there, Colin, and he needs to say, this is what I see my offense. Our job's on the line. I'm the head coach. I want these many play actions, these many runs, and this is what I want. So figure out what the best plays are inside of this box. And he needs to be in there.
Starting point is 00:14:13 I think it would give the players a shot in the arm. I think it would give the coaches a shot in the arm. And as a head coach, I mean, I still can't get over. I tell you know, when Shane Wald, we handed the ball to an offensive lineman on the one-yard line, how does Matt let that go on? To me, that was grounds right there to make a change. It would have never happened with me or Jimmy or the guys that I know was head coach. They didn't have been time out.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Are you serious? Yeah. Tell me, tell me, did I hear that play role? You know, then we, you know, and before that, we run an option on a five-yard line. You know, option football, you don't pitch the ball when you get down there inside a 10. The defense is too darn close to you. It's going to be a turnover. So, I mean, you know, there was some offensive decisions that I thought were terrible,
Starting point is 00:15:05 but, you know, Fluss now is the head coach. He needs to be tuned in to both, and he needs to oversee both and not call plays. Hey, I don't know what the best play is calling, but I want to run it here, or I want to throw it deep here. You're the coordinator. You call the deep play we want,
Starting point is 00:15:25 but I want to throw it deep. That has to happen. He cannot just turn this thing over to a new coordinator and just go back to coach and defense. He won't survive. he's got to be involved in everything from this day out. Dave Wonstadt, he never ages. I swear, you go out with him, the stories, you never age.
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Starting point is 00:16:11 Man, that's a good point, though, what he just made. You got to be on the headset. You can't, I mean, was that funny when he's like, you're handing the ball off to the center? Did I see that right? Listen, I think Mike Tomlin mostly trusts his offense. But when Tomlin went out and said, Justin Fields, I know we're winning, I'm going Russell.
Starting point is 00:16:31 that's controlling your team. That's a big boy move. And not every coach in the league could get away with it. Tomlin's got trophies. Tomlin's a, you know, he's a big presence. Nobody's going to mess with Mike. But that's one of the coaching moves of the year. It's so easy to look at the Steelers now and go, well, anybody could have done that.
Starting point is 00:16:48 That's not true. You know, winning record. The players like fields. He's more athletic than Ross. You're winning. You know, the Browns look bad. The Bengals are choppy. People would have said, hey, Jess, I remember when it happened, 90% of the people were like,
Starting point is 00:17:01 You can't go to Russ. And Mike's like, no, I'm going to go with Russ. That is the coaching move of the year so far. In terms of personnel, just saying, no, I'm going to, nobody liked that move. Big Ben didn't like that move. Steerer fans didn't like it. Tomlin liked it. That's why I would have Hardball 1, Tomlin 2, Dan Quinn 3,
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Starting point is 00:21:38 Jemak! With the News No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, we are contractually obligated to talk Cowboys, Colin, and this Micah Parsons, I don't know, war of words? Well, so Sunday after the loss of the Eagles, Parsons said he feels worse for the Cowboys veterans like Zach Martin, who may be in their final year in Dallas or retiring soon rather than the coaches. He said, all coaching aside, Mike McCarthy, that is, can leave and go wherever he wants.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Parsons then had to go clarify his comments on his podcast. I never once through or even intended to throw Mike McCarthy under the bus. Like I say, he's one of the most winningest coach. He is a Super Bowl chef. I never once brought up his past. And the question that was asked was about here and the Das Cowboys, did I see Mike McCarthy in our future? And I said, that's above my piggery.
Starting point is 00:22:33 So never once did I ever intended or wanted to reflect on Mike McCarthy's career because I always knew it was a good one. I've always had a great relationship with Mike McCarthy. And I never even put that in question. I backed Micah Parsons here. That's the internet. I didn't think he took a shot at him. Okay, well, I don't...
Starting point is 00:22:52 So McCarthy says he and Parsons had a conversation and handled things as men should handle it behind closed doors. Yeah. Not in the open. Real men pull you aside and talk to you. They don't, you know, maybe throw you under the bus in front of the media regardless. Like, and then Jerry Jones chimed in because, you know, it's a soap opera. Jerry Jones defended Micah Parsons, his franchise Edge Rush. Oh, he did.
Starting point is 00:23:17 It was not meant as a critique. So just another... brush fire in Dallas, whether it's curtains. I'm dead serious on this. The silver lining here is this team's going to win one, maybe two more games. They're going to have a top six pick. By the way, last year, Chargers won five. Got Harbaugh, Jesse Minter, a couple of nice offensive pieces.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Boom. In the Chiefs Division. Who's coaching this team next year? Forget the draft. Mike Frable. What's wrong with Mike Brable? I think Mike Bragg will be a great choice. Coming from the guy who bags on all the teams who go defensive coach?
Starting point is 00:23:54 What's Vrable? I'm not saying all defensive coaches. Hey, Tomlin, Dan Quinn, two of the three best jobs this year. Okay. I think Domingo Ryan's is excellent. I think Sean McDermott's more than capable. McDermott's a good coach. You just can't win a big game.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Well, whatever. There's a lot of components to that. But your thesis of defensive coaches tend to coach a little scared. They're conservative. They're a little conservative. Like, come on. Why would you want? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:18 So you want Vrable in Dallas? That's my pick Brable's going to Mike Grable will have an identity He doesn't need to dominate personnel He's a grown-up Can handle the circus He's right now
Starting point is 00:24:30 Listen you and I have been up for jobs before Okay When you look at the Dallas Cowboys Their quarterback is paid Highest in the NFL Offensive lines regressing No running backs One weapon on the outside
Starting point is 00:24:41 They're all lines in a rebuild It's not regressing It's in a rebuild Well, Jack Martin Sounds like he might be on his way out Right Like they're going to need to find a new tackle, but you want to trade back
Starting point is 00:24:51 in the draft? Who do you want to get the running back from Boise State? The only thing I worry about if you're Mike Vrable. Mike had Tannahill, Mike had Mike is one of these coaches that is yet to have a great quarterback, and I do think if you've ever been a coach in the NFL, and Mike's
Starting point is 00:25:07 got 50 million bucks in the bank or whatever he's got, is that you do look at it and think, like, I'm not taking another job until I get the right quarterback. That's why Harbaugh's like, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, okay, Herbert's available And for years, you and I were like, Herbert's great. People push back Harbonneux.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Like, that guy's a stunt. The weird part is we've discussed this ad nauseum. The best way to get ahead in the NFL is the quarterback on the rookie deal. Yep. Okay. Everybody knows that. So, Ravel would be going into a situation with Dak where he's the highest paid... You don't have a lot of wiggle room to make moves.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Like, I don't think this is a good job. I don't think Raebel or Belichick is touching this job. I just... Well, we said this yesterday. Jason, there is... There's no great job this year. No, that's the other problem. Now, we thought Philadelphia was a month ago, but Saryani's on a roll.
Starting point is 00:25:55 That could open up. Philadelphia would definitely be the best job. Can I talk to Jacksonville or no? I'm not taking that job. So if you look at the draft order, they could be drafting first overall for the third time in like five years. Like, there's a major organizational dysfunction in Jacksonville. I think, okay, like Doug Peterson, I don't think it's working. Dayball, I like I'd keep.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Callahan's too young to fire. Stefansky, I love. Antonio Pierce is what it is. Say goodbye. Well, no, not yet. I think Gerard Mayo, I'm giving him another year. They're getting better. You've got to give him credit.
Starting point is 00:26:31 They're getting better. They're not going backwards. Saints, fire him. Jets move on. Panthers keep him. Dolphins keep him. Wait, wait. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:44 All right. So basically, what's the best job? What's the best? Jets? Jets or saints? What's a better job? Jets have a much better roster. If Aaron leaves, I think
Starting point is 00:26:53 it's a great game. Jets or Raiders, what's a better roster? Jets. Jets or Jagged? What's a better job? Jets. Is all this with Aaron Rogers? I like the roster of the Jets a lot. I like Joe Douglas as a general manager. If I have a good GM and a good roster,
Starting point is 00:27:10 all I got to do is get the quarterback right, I'll get rid of Aaron in no time. I'll call Beacons. I'll get a moving company coming in no time. Yeah, Woody Johnson will like that. I'll make it miserable. He's old. I'm the new coach. I'll have the leverage, I'll make things uncomfortable. From one terrible NFC East team to another, the New York Giants. They headed their buy at 2 and 8.
Starting point is 00:27:28 They lost to Carolina. Oh my gosh. Speaking to reporters Monday, Brian Daibol had the opportunity to set the record straight and defend Daniel Jones as his starting quarterback, but he decided not to do that. Interesting. We're going to get started on this process here of going back and looking at everything you normally look at in in a by week you evaluate the the players you know you have a good amount of games to watch situational review tape calls all those type of things so let's we'll do that like we
Starting point is 00:28:04 normally do on a by week and you know try to improve in the areas that you know we need to improve on little no committal there you mean we listen we know daniel jones is done so you want to talk tank just leave daniel jones in as a starter he ain't winning games no I think. Drew Locke, I don't think he does anything. Listen, just because your team is bad, I think Daibol's a good coach. I don't like the team. But what's like the line where you're like, all right, maybe Daibol isn't the guy? What if they don't win another game?
Starting point is 00:28:31 He's an offensive coach. He was great with Allen. He's made Daniel Jones a playoff quarterback once. With that now, I mean, I don't know. Just my feeling is I think he's a good coach. I don't think anybody would dispute that. I'm not, listen, the Giants and the Jets have too much turmoil. That Mara family. Tell me on the market who's,
Starting point is 00:28:49 better than Brian Dable. Offensively. Belichick Brable have more wins, but they're defensive coaches. I want an offensive coach. Okay, I get it. He's an offensive coach. Can he instill a philosophy
Starting point is 00:29:00 the way Jim Harbaugh can, the way Belichick can? Well, Harbaugh had Justin Herbert. Harbaugh has, in his DNA, you know what he's going to do. Everybody knew they're going to draft the left tackle alt, right? They're going to go smash out.
Starting point is 00:29:11 I don't think Brian Daible is Jim Harbaugh, but I think he's a capable winning coach. Is he Mike Vrable? Is he Bill Belichick? Not yet. Not yet. It could just be that Brian Dable is a great play caller and understands quarterbacks, and he's not at... I'll just say it again.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Is that in play? He got Daniel Done to the playoffs. I'm just saying it. That's something. Okay. Final story, Indianapolis Colts, God, why are we talking about all these bad teams? They lost another one on Sunday snapping a three-game winning streak. And after the game, here we go.
Starting point is 00:29:44 Quarterback, Kenny Moore, who's really good. He had some strong comments about the team's performance. I don't think everybody is working as hard. possible and obviously Sean I'm not a type of sugar-coded honestly if I don't think the urgency is there I don't think the details are there so I don't think the effort is there and I don't see everything correlate from meetings to practice to the games wow that's spicy now if this was any real in market you know not Indianapolis we would be this would be a big story he just said
Starting point is 00:30:20 People aren't locked in in meetings. Well, I mean, you've got an impulsive owner. We like the coach. He's a young head coach, first job. The culture feels loose. What do they do well? I like the roster. Don't love it, but I like it.
Starting point is 00:30:37 It's a good roster. But I think it's, I think Jim Ursay makes things more difficult than he has to. I like Chris Ballard. I think they have a good roster. What it shows you in this league, you can do a lot right. If you can't get quarterback right, None of it matters. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:51 That literally is, I mean, that's the league. So I went on a rant about this. So, you know, my kids play volleyball, right? And volleyball gets, it's tough to return these jump serves. So some kids struggle with it, and teams will target players. And coaches, they got two options. You can let the player in their struggle, miss six of them in a row. Or you can pull them after two and get someone else in there.
Starting point is 00:31:13 And I see a lot of parallels with that in the Anthony Richardson thing. Like, they pulled Richardson. I know he's struggling. He's been 10 career starts. I would have let him stay in there and sink or swim. Figure it out, just like the kids do have to do in volleyball. And pulling Richardson really has screwed everything up because Flacco was supposed to give them a better chance to win, Colin?
Starting point is 00:31:33 Is he? No. He's been a turnover machine in two weeks. That's right. They're getting worse. Just put Richardson out there. I don't understand. I just think this whole league, Jim Harbaugh could have had eight jobs over the last.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Like Jim Harbaugh a couple years ago sent out the best. signal. What is the job that Jim Harbaugh said, I want? The one with a quarterback. The best job in the last seven years or whatever it was Matt LaFlewer in Green Bay. Mike McCarthy was DAC was a way better than average job. If the quarterback's not playing, if he's below a B-plus, don't take the job. That's fair, but listen, Anthony Richardson's off to a rough start. Everybody knows that. He's really struggling. We saw Baker-Mayfield struggle. How's he doing now? Ask yourself this. What these guys play, man?
Starting point is 00:32:21 Ask yourself this. Did the Colt overreact to the Anthony Richardson? I'm going to sit out of play. I'm tired. They probably a little bit. You don't want to see that. But did the cult overreact to a kid saying, I'm exhausted. I need to sit out of play.
Starting point is 00:32:38 That's up for discussion. Because he's the only dynamic quarterback on the roster. It's not flag. And you remember last year, the quarterback got hurt. And I think Gardner Minshu got them within a play. of the playoffs. Remember, it was your birthday party. We were watching the game with Chip Kelly and these guys. And it was like, wow, well, maybe we
Starting point is 00:32:54 could do the same with Joe Flacco this year. Because he did it with the Browns last year. And it's not working. And Shane Stuyken confirms Flacco will be the starter against the Jets this week. I mean, nobody's watching that game. Colts to Jets? Like, what's the act? I'm not watching that as a Jets fan. J. Mackle
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Starting point is 00:34:00 I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite
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Starting point is 00:35:41 do a little kill. Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:21 For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking.
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Starting point is 00:37:47 is that with Aaron, everybody's walking on eggshells, and I think Aaron likes that. He likes the kind of the Messiah thing. Like, I'm the guy in New York, same thing. When you whiff on a quarterback, Zach Wilson, you hand the franchise to a veteran guy. There's guys I would trust doing that. Aaron's difficult.
Starting point is 00:38:06 He can be moody, prickly. He can get dark, fast. Sometimes off-season. He's distracted. He's busy. It is what it is. We're all seeing it. But when Boomer Ossising came out and said, like everybody, he's just sucking the air out of the building.
Starting point is 00:38:22 I think he was doing that at the end in Green Bay. Jordan Love showed up. Team got better offensively. They won more games. It was a better vibe. It was more, you know, it was more unity. And I asked Aaron Rogers earlier. I said, you know, bottom line is, would you even bring Aaron back?
Starting point is 00:38:41 After this season, he will be a 41-year-old quarterback that is coming off the three worst seasons of his career. Call it two, if we're not going to count the year, he lost the Achilles fine. The year in Green Bay was terrible, a lost season due to injury, this disaster. He is the worst leader in all of sports. He is only, best I can tell, somewhat interested in football, and only if he can play with his old football. friends and family. He is, there would be no reason whatsoever to bring him back.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Yeah, I, that's my point, is that, you know, I don't want to beat the dead horse, but I think I just start over. Jets, I mean,
Starting point is 00:39:26 look how bad New York football is. How many years in a row can New York football be this bad? There's no such thing as a savior quarterback at 40 years old. Aaron wasn't, Stafford wasn't, it just doesn't exist. So let's get out of that. Russell Wilson wasn't.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Russell Wilson works, because he's part of a team. Stafford worked. He was a better part of a team than golf was. Tom Brady worked. He had a loaded roster. Tampa had all sorts of. I mean, they won like seven games the year before
Starting point is 00:39:52 with James Winston who had 30 turnovers. So I think we have to get out of the savior thing for all these teams. And I also think I'm in the minority here. I think Shadour Sanders is going to be a star in the NFL quarterback. Cam Ward, I'm 50-50 on. I don't like anybody else except Riley Leonard at Notre Dame, third or fourth round.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Guy is a huge athlete. Little Josh Allen, where unbelievable basketball talent, talent, 64% completion percentage. They don't throw much, they don't do much. Accuracy, okay, hit and miss. Nobody in the world believes me. I'm just saying I've seen him play three times this year. Fourth round.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Every time I say that, Jabbeck's like, not interested. And I haven't seen any NFL comps or anything on Riley Leonard. I don't know what to do with it. It just, I know this. Every time they tell me it's a bad quarterback class, somebody emerges in the fourth round. I'm telling you, the guy to keep an eye on his Jalen Milro, but he's going to go before the fourth round.
Starting point is 00:40:50 I don't personally love him. I don't like what I've seen. But apparently some of the scouts and some of the intangibles that he has, people are starting saying, you know, if I squint really hard, maybe I can see the makings of a Jaden Daniels. He's a little heavier. He feels very mid-to-late second round.
Starting point is 00:41:08 I would not be shocked. if he went in the first. That's how desperate teams are. He's like 6-2-2-25, live arm. He can scoot, as they like to say. I think he's fine, but I don't want him with the Jets. Yeah. There's always
Starting point is 00:41:23 one that emerges. I mean, look how many got. Dak Prescott, fourth round, Russell Wilson, third round, Brady's sixth round. There's undrafted guys. Romo Warner, Brock Purdy 7th round. Diamond's in the rough. Kurt Cousins, fourth round. There's somebody out there. There's somebody in this year's draft, third round.
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Starting point is 00:43:17 I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.
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