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Hour three. Dan Wojke, L.A. Times in a couple of minutes. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making a nice part of your day. Dan Hurley, UConn's fantastic coach. He is not the microwave. He's a bake-it-in-the-oven guy, three jobs. He's up for the Lakers job, reportedly.

Wagner, first year losing year. Rhode Island, first year 8 and 20. Yukon first year losing record. He didn't win 8. I don't think he won a tournament game at Yukon until like year 5. Okay, so are the Lakers ready for a culture builder? Remember Brad Stevens took that job in Boston from Butler. He's a player development guy.

He is a culture builder. They didn't win a playoff series for years. They had a losing record first year. Those are similar because in Boston, people have options. Red Sox, Patriots, the Cape, Martha's Vineyard, trained in New York, things to do in Los Angeles. Now Harbaugh's in town. Harbaugh Herbert, McVeigh Stafford, USC moving to the Big Ten show, Hey, O'Toney, Anne Mookie Betts, and Freddie Freeman. Dodgers never been bigger.

Steve Ballmer moving into a new arena. Lakers going to be okay rebuilding 3844 a couple years of that? I don't think they are. This organization, because the Lakers did not compete against the NFL for years, they got a 20-year runway of being the man, of being the organization. And whereas the Dodgers were good for many of those years, they weren't winning World Series titles. The Lakers were winning NBA titles.

So they were the only big city in the country that didn't have to, to compete with the NFL was Los Angeles for two decades. And so the Lakers are used to being in the catbird seat. You're going to be okay with Harbaugh-Gat-N-Stafford to another Super Bowl? Shoahe O'Tonnie next year is hitting and pitching. Michigan coming into town of the Coliseum on a Saturday night packed. Ballmer's got a new arena and you're in a rebuild. I'm for it.

I don't think the Lakers can handle it. I don't think they can handle it. J-MAC said something egregious at the end of the end of the, last hour, he said, oh, the Lakers is the best job in the NBA. And my theory about NBA jobs, there's two things that matter with an NBA job.

How good is your star? What kind of guy is he? And what are the expectations? The Lakers star is 39, and the expectations are always unrealistic. I'll tell you who's got a better job. Dallas, Minnesota,

San Antonio, O.KC. I'll take New York. I've got a real star in his prime, Boston, Golden State, Denver. The Lakers and the Sixers, to me, are overritted jobs, unrealistic expectations, tons of pressure, an aging star who gets hurt more. Lakers, Sixers, sound like great jobs. Years ago, Urban Meyer, when he was starting his career, had a choice. Notre Dame or Florida. He called Lou Holtz.

you all say, hey, Erbishop, how are you? He said, what's the job, coach? He said, take Florida. You can get anybody into school. The perception was Notre Dame. Private, small town, crappy weather, academic umbrella, religious umbrella, was the better job. Now, Florida has better rosters. So the perception of what a job is is not reality.

You'd think the New York Mets, I'd rather be in Atlanta. Oh, it's New York. Atlanta's got a better farm system. Atlanta's better owned and better run. I'd much rather manage the Braves than the Mets. So, I mean, what is a great job? I would love to have the Baltimore Orioles job right now. Have you seen their talent?

Now, it's not as good as the Yankees of the Dodgers because they can go buy stars. But that's a better job right now than a lot of Baltimore is like OKC. You start looking at that lineup. You're like, hell, they got about five years of just running it. You got the Laker. You fall into this. You move to L.A. You've got a little earringy and, you know, you hang out with the cool people.

A little boosy. The Lakers job. Now, now, USC's a top 10 job. Rams a great job of Kronky. I mean, the hardball, he wouldn't have come here. Herbert, that's a great job. A lot of great jobs in L.A. Lakers is high expectations.

And LeBron, you got to draft his son. And you've got to pay him a max. And he's got in year 22. I like LeBron, but that's not a great job. Yeah, it's funny. U.S.C. job opens, and one of the best coaches in college football, get me out there, Lincoln Riley. Yeah.

Chargers job opens. The best coach in college football, Jim Harbaugh, get me to L.A. I know people want to take shots at L.A. The taxes and the homeless and blah, blah, blah. There is something about Los Angeles that is attractive to a lot of people. And these coaches are wired differently, Colin. You know that. Danny Hurley says, oh, no draft picks, old LeBron?

Give me that Lakers. There's no more prestigious job in the NBA than coaching the Los Angeles Lakers. It's the glamour franchise. Because of the new CBA and the aprons, you've got to draft and develop Hurley's smart. You think Hurley's worried about draft picks three years from now? These guys are so cocky and confident that they can do anything. They can fix any player. They can do.

There's a team that was in the conference finals two years ago. Hurley's got nothing left to prove at Yukon. I'll take the Lakers job. I'll coach LeBron James. Heck yeah, I will. Come on. He could turn this thing around quickly. I'm starting to warm up a lot to Hurley. By the way, Lakers fans, you want somebody pushing back against LeBron?

It's hard as nails, tough guy, Danny Hurley. I like this a lot. I'm starting to warm up. No disrespect to Reddick. But there's something here that, hey, LeBron, we're going to run a tight ship. It's not going to be you picking the coach and the players. No, if you give the transition. That's why I said, I'm Hurley.

I tell my agent. 10 and a half million a year. I'm not walking in there is a... Darwin Am's making three and a half. Now he was at five. So you've got to pay two coaches, 15 million that's steep. That's glove compartment money in one of LeBron's Bentley's. Not for Jeannie Bus.

All right, Dan Wojke, L.A. Times covers them. I mean, I woke up this morning at 4.45. I saw this from Lowe's. I was like, the heck's going on. What was your initial reaction, Dan, when you saw the story? What the heck's going on? I think is sort of where I... started and Colin I just want to check my notebook here quick you're the first

person in the history of the world that say Baltimore is just like Oklahoma City by the way that has never been uttered those words in that order the first time in the history I always wonder how like how do it ever how does an original idea come to be that that has never been said before you know I think Colin what I've been taken by through most of the search and it's what's hammered been hammered to me today is that this has always been and I've tried to like the smart reporting, two pathways of information on this. There's been the word from inside the building from the top

that we are moving very diligently, we're moving slowly, we're doing this at our own pace, we're doing this the way we wanna do it, and it's wide open, we don't have an answer, we don't know exactly where we're going, or the way you think we're going isn't necessarily where we're going. And then there's really, I can't underscore this enough, then everyone else who has thought that the job would go to JJ Redick.

It has been really since the combine, when I've had conversations with other GMs, when I've had conversations with coaching agents, when I've had conversations with people who were up for the Laker job. It has always been, it'll probably eventually go to JJ Ray. So to see the other name attached to the process today, it was a really fun moment, like first after I like,

you know, pulled the crust out of my eyes because it's like very rarely do we catch a real surprise like this and it's Danny Hurley's not I mean I'll say it it was not a name that I'd heard in the process until today yeah and then when you hear it today you kind of understand why Rob Polinka was moving in the shadows the way he's moved in the shadows through this coaching search do you think one of the things that could be concerning I mean J.J. Reddick is viewed as LeBron's guy and you know LeBron's tried to move back off that he's there's

been enough leaks from his camp to, hey, we don't want to, part of this is I think I can see if JJ didn't work, it would land on LeBron exclusively. And that's part of it, that LeBron doesn't want that. It's like, you go get your coach. I don't want, I don't want to be the guy that if it doesn't work, I get the heat on my legacy. I think that part of it is true, Colin.

But I think LeBron has been pretty passive with the way he's used. his power, really since the Russell Westbrook trade. You know, in L.A., I mean, kind of the famous line sort of is, you know, that you hear people say around LeBron is like, you know, the Lakers did everything he said, you know, Kyrie would be point card and Tyloo would be the coach,

right? Like, and that's a pretty compelling argument to the Lakers kind of, you know, obviously they involve their star in their conversations and they think about the Braud James of what it means. But, you know, really with the exception of the Russell Westbrook trade, which you know, has been kind of put on

LeBron is sort of a LeBron idea, at least, or certainly something he signed off on. The Lakers really haven't moved in that way. And if anything, you know, the Lakers, LeBron has wanted them to be more aggressive to do things a little differently. In this search, I mean, like you just said, I haven't heard that he's had influence. I haven't heard that the reason why they were going to hire JJ Redick was because he has a podcast for LeBron James. certainly not from anybody credible. That was never really the reason. I mean, I think it's a benefit

that you know that there's a built-in respect and a built-in relationship, but I wrote this in a piece a few weeks ago. I think LeBron James' power right now, the way he's using it is more just by power of presence. You know, it's a more passive approach to this that, you know, you have to... And that one's curious in some ways about this job, too,

about what Danny Hurley is like, I mean, on one hand, like the Lakers have been really clear about wanting somebody who can do the things you said program build you know build culture and they've taken a big picture view um do you know who makes it really hard to take a big picture view column 39 soon to be 40 year old lebron james yeah so it's really hard to think down the road when you have the most win now player of all time getting ready you know presumably to sign a new deal with your team to finish this career there and you know you know do it in

his 40s it's tough you know gonna get hurley who is a slow roast, a slow cook guy, Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon, very much like Brad Stevens. We build a culture. We get draft picks. We slowly develop. That's what they both do. L.A. is a very distracted competitive market. If you're going to do Hurley, it would be a disservice to him to not give him a bunch of draft

picks. And the Lakers don't have a ton of draft picks. I mean, to me, if you're going to bring in Hurley, then you have to augment what he's good at. And what he's done is build cultures and take good players, good recruits, and make them a great team. Wouldn't that mean if you hired Hurley,

it would be a paradigm shift in terms of personnel over the next two years? I think the Lakers are trying to kind of serve multiple masters on this. You know, there is the big picture developmental view, right? like what does this mean for players like Austin Reeves and Rui Hachamura and Max Christie who's a risk preparation will be back like guys that the Lakers

see as part of their future right but they're by no means comfortable punting on the next two years or the next few years and I think if they thought that their situation roster wise was similar to the one that Danny Hurley walked into at Wagner or Rhode Island or Yukon

you know they might be looking at a different direction for Ed coach and and I think it's a fair point, right? I mean, this has been sort of his process, and part of, I think, what has made him so charismatic, right? Like, to me, like the defining Danny Hurley moment, right, is him

you know, saying, you know, get us now, just wait, like, we're coming. Like, get us, but if you're going to beat us, do it now, because we're going to get you in a year. We're going to get you in two years. You know, that kind of runway, you're right, doesn't really exist, and it certainly doesn't exist, you know, if number 23 is on the court

next to you. That's just the reality of that is, is you need to win and you need to do it quickly, and there isn't much of a learning curve. But I think if you're the Lakers, I mean, that same, that same, all those same concerns also were there for JJ Reddick and are there for JJ Reddick. It's a swing.

You're projecting skills to this team, and you're trying to do so in a way that it does two different things, that it satisfies your today and it satisfies you tomorrow. And traditionally, that's been really hard in the NBA. Dan Wojke, L.A. Laker Beatrider, covered the NBA for 13, 14 years. As always, we appreciate on late notice. You stopping by, Dan. Thank you.

Thanks, guys. All right. I mean, generally, if, like, when the Rams hire Sean McVeigh, it's like, Sean, we're hiring you because we have this really talented young quarterback who's sort of lost. And what did they do? They let him spend some money and get a left tackle. They let him have, you know, they let Sean McVeigh,

okay, this is what I do. I need a run game. I need a left tackle. I'll take care of golf. If you're going to hire one of these coaches, it doesn't matter what business it is. Then you could be hiring a law firm. What is that if it's a litigation attorney,

you know, contract attorney? Well, you've got to have stuff set up for him to succeed, right? Hurley is a developmental coach who builds a tough culture. I mean, Yukon played like an NBA team. They're feisty. They're physical. Well, that's what he's going to build. Not a load management team with old guys who want the night off.

That's like not what it's going to be. So he's going to build a tough physical culture. You've got to augment this with a bunch of draft picks. Let him draft and build and see what he can get out of it. I'm like Jamek. He's a better coach right now than JJ Redick. We don't know if he gets along with NBA players as well as J.J. Reddick, but he's a better coach right now than J.J.

Reddick, and he should demand more because JJ's got a podcasting gig. He's got the best college basketball job in the country. Isn't this super low risk for Hurley, Colin? He's won back-to-back titles. He has nothing left to prove in college. He would get a job in two minutes back in college. If he flames out in three years, he's going to get a job. Remember, Frank

Vogel won a title with the Lakers. He, was a good coach. Then he was a title. He's going to be able to get jobs for the next 15 years. He already got the son's job. That didn't go well, giving the Kevin Durant and the old stuff. You win with the Lakers. Man, your success is going to be fine in the future. I also think this is something you have to consider.

The NIL and the transfer portal is a pain in the butt for even the best college coaches. Jay Wright had 10 more years to coach. He's like, get me out of here. So I think that's part of it, whereas you think the transfer portal is zany in college football. In basketball, it's a turn style. And so, I mean, Hurley could be just saying this is not, you know, when I got into this thing with Wagner and Rhode Island, but like in the last three, years, I think college sports is harder to coach.

I don't think there's a reason. There's two reasons that Harbaugh left Michigan. And I think a part of it's the NIL and the transfer portal. And I think Harbaugh looks at it and says, hell, if I'm going to pay players, I'd rather go to the NFL and it's not a college. And the Chargers had a good quarterback. But he looked the year before at Minnesota. So I think for the guy, there's a lot, I have enough contacts with college coaches.

It's not the NFL. say. But the problem with it is, in the NFL, even if you have a bad owner, you still have a salary cap. Everybody spends kind of the same thing, right, to some degree. Now, having a richer owner helps you in trades and free agents, you can write the checks in the offseason. But in college football, there's like four teams, Texas, Ohio, State, Georgia, Oregon. They're just outspending everybody. It's not a fair fight. And in college basketball, you know, you got certain programs like a Kansas or a Kentucky. They're just outspending everybody. So I could see Hurley saying, hey, I want to, I want to, we all have the same salary cap in the NBA.

I got LeBron and, you know, Austin Reeves, and I got Anthony Davis and a big brand. And so a lot of these college coaches now, it's like, listen, we can, it's okay. The transfer portal is not ideal, but it's okay. But the NIL is so lobsided. We're like six college basketball programs and five college football programs. It comes down to it in the final day. They just write a check for $600,000. and get that five-star left tackle.

Nothing you can do about it. There's an unfairness in the NIL, which was predictable. But it's now, Hurley, I'm sure Yukon's a wealthy state, Connecticut is. But I can see Hurley saying, listen, I'm recruiting to just keep my own players. I mean, Jay Wright's a great example. When Jay writes like, I'm out, Villadova's a top three program. He's got 10 years left to do it. He's like, yeah, I'm out.

that's a pretty good sign. Well, you've got a Boston College head coach that said, I'd rather be an assistant in the NFL. For a lot of these coaches, they want to coach. Dan Early wants to coach not be a fundraiser. Yeah, that's not fun. At best I can tell, there's only one coach who won a title in college and the NBA, Larry Brown.

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. You know, all the Stefan Dig's stuff we talked about yesterday was exciting, and there's more, Colin. He's talking about his current situation with the Texans, and he broke down his pursuit for his Super Bowl ring and how the Houston offense could make it a reality. I feel like I've been chasing the Super Bowl since I got in the league. So, I mean, to say like, you know, you get to one specific place and say, this is where I want to try to win it.

But this is where I'm at right now, you know what I'm saying? I obviously believe in this team. I believe in the quarterback. You know, those are, you know, unspoken things that we all can assume. Obviously, you know that Neke had a hell of a year. Tankah just got hurt. He was going to have a hell of a year. I feel like this offense is one of those offensive is that.

Got a lot of horses in the stable, you know what I'm saying? Let them all loose. We'll figure the rest out. Very exciting. team. That division suddenly just got interesting. When they got the best skill position players in the division, that's not saying what. Jags are second. Colts, third, Titans, we'll see. I don't know. Are you fully on board with Houston? Like, Super Bowl contender? Are they in your bubble?

I want to watch them, but they're pretty good. I was ready to sell some stock, but then they made upgrades. They're pretty good to me. They have the ninth best Super Bowl odds, as you see there on the swim. See, I don't put the Bengals in the Super Bowl bubble because I just, you get to a point. I'm waiting for Burrow to get hurt. Let's just say everybody's healthy, because you don't want to play that game. Everybody healthy. I don't have the Bengals in it.

I think they're being real good. I don't have them. I have the Rams in it. I'm surprised the bills are that high. I don't like a lot of those odds. I would take a flyer on the Texans at plus 1,600 over the Ravens. I don't know why Green Bay is not in that group. Because you're the only man in America who believes.

I really like Green Bay. Next up, Anthony Richardson. Now, we saw his rookie season. We liked it. getting hurt. He only played in four games. Get this, Colin. Richardson has revealed that he's up to 255 pounds as a quarterback, and added he didn't do it to help sustain all the hits he took last season.

In a summer, now we've seen Lamar Jackson shedding weight. We're seeing Anthony Richardson at 255. So we have a list of all the thick quarterbacks, hefty, whatever you want to use. I said I like my quarterbacks like my furniture, hard to move, sturdy. That's what I like my quarterbacks. Sturty is probably better than beefy. Sturdy. Jermarcus Russell, 265.

A little too heavy. Dante Colpepper, remember him, 260. He was big. He felt big, though. Anthony Richardson... Well, Big Ben's big. Big Ben checked in at 240. I think later in his career was heavier than that.

But is Richardson going to be as dynamic at 255? Well, I think Shane Steichen doesn't want him to be as dynamic. Shane Steichen wants him healthy and learning in the pocket. So I think guys like Anthony Richardson are just so athletic that eight pounds isn't going to make a difference. And I also think Anthony Richardson part of his game is collisions. That's just the way he's built. He's going to run into people. Well, that's not going to work as a franchise court.

Well, it's not going to work for a while, but you can get banged. I mean, Cam and Big Ben for years used that as a weapon. Well, Cam was out of the league at like 32. I know he gets upset when we talk about him, but there's a reason he got jettison from the league. His body failed and he never learned to win from the bucket. Yeah, and Big Ben aged, but Big Ben had a lot of success before he aged. I don't look at these quarterbacks like a 401K. You can give me four or five years of excellent.

I'm drafting another one. You should draft a quarterback every other year anyway. I thought you loved the Packers formula of give me one guy for 15 and the next guy for 15. Yeah, but you know what they keep doing? They keep drafting guys who sit for three years. I would draft quarterbacks every two or three years, third round on, put them on the bench. But I don't, this quarterback thing, the idea that I have to get them forever, that'd be nice. But I'd rather, if you're telling me every six years I've got to find a new one,

but in the six years I made the playoffs four times, I'll keep my job as a general manager. So you would rather be a day trader at quarterbacks than a buy and hold guy? Ideally, I'd be a buy and hold guy, but there's just not many of them on the planet. It's just hard to get a guy that never gets hurt and is great. The league's got two of them right now. So that's the-ohmohms. In the whole league, we've got two of 32 teams, two. Wait, wait, just two what?

Great, and don't get hurt. Mahomes and Allen, that's it. Burrow, Hermann hurt, Herbert hurt, Stanford hurt, Aaron hurt. We got two. Well, remember, Josh Allen was taking a lot of hits when he was running, and everybody's, oh, Alan, you got to run less. He'll have a shorter, he'll have a shorter peak, but he's great. Well, we got two quarterbacks in the world. Great, never hurt.

So my takeaway is, okay, the culture, the tone is set. keep drafting quarterbacks if you can get six great great years out of a quarterback after his rookie year by year two to year seven am i getting a baller well wait a minute wait a minute the rookie contract means you've got to pay him a second that's okay so i'll pay him early if he's great i'll pay him early so first three years i'll pay him early four and then i'll get four five six seven last year he wins i don't i move on i trade him get a fifth round pick i'm a good quitter i told you that before i can quit i Quit stuff fast.

Not Ann, not the kids. That's not good for my standing here. Well, no, I, you know. Maybe I need to test the market and see what's out there. Geez. Final story, Eagles made a big splash in free agency landing, Sequod Barkley, and they stole him from their rival to giants and floundering giants. Speaking of reporters this week, Nick Siriani,

really liked adding Zsaquad Barclay to the fold. It's really nice to see him in green, and I know, you know, it's really nice to see him. I had visions back of, like, him on the sideline and us watching all these plays on the sideline of Sequan I'm making somebody missing. Seaquin making somebody missing. Doing it again, you know, sometimes you see Giants fans around here with the, you know, being so close.

And, you know, they give me a good, like, hey, go Giants. And I'd typically let it go. But if the guy gets me good enough, I usually say, you know, got your best player. That's a nice old dig. I don't want my coach saying that. You don't want your coach talking trash? I don't want my coach talking trash. To meatballs?

Did I, well, probably not the right venue to talk about this. Did I tell you, I had my first heckler, a sports fan upset with one of my takes, like in public. Never happened to me in my life. What do you say to you? It's weirdo. It was coming out of the WNBA game. And I was with my family, which made it odd. But this guy goes, Jay Mack, you know, and I turn around and give him the nod.

He goes, you were really harsh on Kyrie and Cam Newton. I was like, uh, I was like, what? You think that's heckling? Well, I didn't finish the story. So I was like, I'm rooting for Kyrie. I got money on him in the playoffs. Go mad. So then I walk away with my family.

We walk to the corner. He follows us, like down the street. And then he's like, you were really harsh on Cam Newton. Yeah. And then my family's like here and the guy's right there. And at this point, I'm like, this guy's by himself and he followed me to a corner to talk. I turned around and said, yeah, he's not very good. So, I mean, like, this was the first time ever dealing with that.

And I was like, yeah, well, sorry, Dak Prescott's had. a better career than Cam Noot. Just said it right to his face, and he didn't really have much of a comeback. And then the light turned, so he crossed, and he didn't follow any further. But I don't know, man. You talk about Nick Siriani talking track to Giants fans? My life is, you know what people say when they come up to me? Hello America's honesty broker. How's your day? They don't get on your case for takes on players, huh? I don't take my takes that seriously. I don't either. I had forgotten what I said six months ago, but this guy's... And usually I have four or five security guards around. You do. Maybe I need to. I can hold my own.

Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. What a show today. Dan Hurley, according to Woj and Dan Hurley told his team at Yukon. They're having practice

right about now here at about 30 minutes. He told his team that, yeah, I'm talking to the Lakers. So he's a great, coach. I think there's a lot of things going on. I don't think the best NBA coaches aren't taking it. There's not much of a pool of

candidates. Hurley would be the best guy you could hire. The question becomes, are the Lakers willing to be patient? Because they have no history of that. And I'm dead serious on this. The Lakers owned L.A. for 20 years without an NFL team. Can you imagine

Philadelphia with no Eagles? And the Sixers just dominate it and they win they win titles four or five. And you kind of to own the town. In America, NFL teams eventually gobble up all the cities. L.A. was the exception. The Lakers were number one. They had the best stars, the best brand, and they were winning championships. Dodgers were good. They weren't winning titles. And so they had this 20-year run where they own the city. They don't want to be in the fourth story. They don't want to be on page two and page three. It's not what they want. So it's like the Yankees. The Yankees, you know, they compete

against everybody, but the Yankees, they don't want to be behind the Mets. They want the back page in New York. Lakers are spoiled. So now the NFL comes in. It's getting more popular and more popular and more popular. Rams win a Super Bowl. Here comes Harbonne Herbert. That puppy's going to grow.

SoFi is an amazing experience. Hosting Super Bowls. Dodgers now have Otani, Betts Freeman. Lincoln, Riley, Big Ten Conference now. Steve Ballmer-New Arena now. You think Lakers are up for a rebuild? I don't know. I don't know.

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Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. It's your podcast. Well, the downside for any manager in any sport to having a loaded roster is expectations. Then you throw in the Dodgers brand, the Los Angeles market. Nine seasons is the Dodger manager. They are in first place again. Second best record in the National League. They're wrapping up a series of the Pirates.

I watched it yesterday. Dave Roberts joining us. By the way, you are in Pittsburgh, and then you took your staff, I guess, to watch Mike Tomlin. So what was your thinking on that? What did you want your staff to see with Coach Tomlin? So our director of player performance, Brandon McDaniel, set it up with Mark Bruner,

a former Steeler and a friend of both of ours. And so it took a few members of the staff. And, you know, it's voluntary workouts. So each day, Coach Tomlin addresses the guys. So today was about the exclamation point and finishing plays. doing things the right way. And so it was applicable to everybody on a football field, but also obviously in life and

baseball. So like I told you before we aired right now, Colin, I was like ready to run through a wall for this man. And he's done it for so long and won so consistently. But to have that energy every day, every year, is for me, it's fascinating. Well, there are obviously 10 times as many baseball games. So when you have stars, it's tougher to have to have. I saw there was a moment about a week ago when you had great compassion on the mound for one of your pitchers.

Baseball is a different sensibility. You can bark occasionally, but how often over the course of a season, you got smart veteran players. They've been around, they know the culture. How often, Dave, do you have to ramp it up and occasionally bark with that team you're managing? You know, not very often. I think I'm more of the guy that likes to have that one-off conversation. I think that sometimes I feel, you know, given that we play every single day, you know, when you sort of set the stage for yourself to have a team meeting

or be visibly vocal, you sometimes make it about yourself. And I always want to make it about the players, about the game. And so I certainly get my point across, maybe not to the liking of some people that want to see reactions. and I'm wearing a Dodger uniform, but I'm not Tommy Lassorda. But I think also, you know, with football, it's once a week. And football, you can play with the motion. Yeah.

But I would argue that with baseball, the tempered mindset is better, it's more beneficial. You know, Dave, you already lead by seven. You don't even have a couple of your top pitchers. Bobby Miller, Clayton Kershaw. You could probably hit your way to a division crown, but obviously to be successful in the postseason, you need a full staff. Baseball is such a sport of routine, Dave. Let's say, hypothetically, you get a 10, a 12-game lead later.

You would love to have a fresh team in the playoffs, but again, Mookie Betts wants to play. Botani wants to play. How do you weigh keeping a team fresh? I mean, between spring training in the regular season, Dave, you've got 200 games. You want a fresh team, but you've got stars, competitive guys that want to go out there. The standings for you late in the season, will you monitor those and think, I know my guys like routine, but I'm going to give some of these guys days off.

You know, I love that you bring that up because the thing that's great about that is there's no right answer. I think for me, my default always is players want to play. Players are competitors. They signed up to play. But I will say that given the win loss, the record in the standings, does and should dictate to some point as far as workload, and also given other guys' opportunity. And that's a lot of it on the pitching side, too, to protect those guys.

But the fact of the matter is that I just don't believe you can bubble wrap guys and put them in the postseason and then them to go out there and perform optimally. You know, baseball is played by humans. And so, and you have to kind of play to keep. keep that edge. Yeah. But Mookie bet, you know, Otani is going to get, Kershan Otani are always going to get with the Dodgers. They're going to get a lot of play here.

Mookie Betts doesn't even make sense. The idea that you could just say, hey, we're going to move you to the infield. You wouldn't take a running back and say you're going to be slot corner. Were you, I mean, it's just, it doesn't, you don't see it. I mean, it's one thing for A-Rod to go from short to third. That's a transition. the Mookiee transition position. Was it tough?

Was it restless? What did you make of it as you were talking about it happening? I mean, I'm telling you right now, sitting here right now seeing Mookie Best Played Shortstop, I would have never in my wildest dreams thought that could happen was a possibility. One, in the fact that I just don't see superstars making themselves so vulnerable to a position change that drastic.

It opening themselves up for criticism. And number two is just the performance alone, and it's so demanding. And I've said it before, though, is I just don't think that there's one player in baseball that I think could have made this transition. Yeah. Now, he's just, he's historically unique. He's just a great athlete. And look at this catch we're showing, right? He's just insane. He really is, Colin. He is. And also, the thing is, he's a great athlete, but he's, I just love the humility, too. You know, it's one of those things where you get a superstar player that he doesn't realize how impactful he is. And I think that that's charming for me as a manager in the sense of that humility and people gravitate towards him.

And I was talking the other day, and it's just, you know, he just loves the work, loves the grind. And, you know, when you get a superstar that just loves practice, and just like I remember Kobe, I was at Kobe's last game. And he just says, the dream is the journey. and for Muki in particular, you know, the journey of working and practicing, that's the dream and he lives it every day. You know, Dave, there's an argument. I said this two years ago. People compare Otani and Babe Ruth, and I'm like, well, the Otani's better. He's playing against better players.

The game's global. Otani is remarkable in a million levels. He looks like a movie star. He seems like the nicest kid in the world. I think D-Hing is much harder than people think. You go from ice cold to merging onto freeway traffic. It's hard. Is there moments in all your years of baseball?

And you played on that Red Sock team, World Series, all the players you've managed and seen. I remember a friend telling me he played minor league baseball with Ken Griffey. And he said, by the third swing, he was like, oh, I knew this guy. The ball off Ken Griffey's bat in the minors didn't sound like, all of ours. What did you initially see with Otani as a Dodger? I'm not talking to angels, that you just was jaw-dropping. Does he do that to you daily? He does. He does. And I didn't like you. We didn't see Babe Ruth, but I'll take Otani all day long, given how difficult the game

is and the specializations of it and, you know, the foot speed. But yeah, you know, I think for me, just the physicality. You know, when you get up on show, hey, he's a lot bigger than you think. He's like Clayton Kershaw, where you see him on the mound and you see him, he's baggy, got baggy pants on. But when you get up on him, he is very physical. And Shoah is the same way. He's got broad shoulders, thin waist, not an ounce of fat on him. And I just, when I see him from the sidelines, you know, from the dugout, just to watch him chew up ground when he's, you know, legging out of triple or getting down, gaining 90 feet down the line for an infield hit.

And then you look at the sheer raw power. So just everything he does is just he, he's the best. on the field at every asset of the game. It's pretty remarkable. Okay, you go into a three-game series with the Yankees. Obviously, there's advanced scouting.

You'll be handed that today or tomorrow before. I imagine it is pitch around Aaron Judge. I don't know what the advanced scouting says with the Yankees, but you're the Yankees of the National League. Have you gotten a glimpse of them? They lead an ERA. They're a power team. They throw it hard.

They're a power team. Have you gotten any look ahead on the advantage of the advance scouting on the Yankees, and what do you see or hear? I haven't. You know, I've watched a lot of probably what you've watched, what fans have watched. I haven't really dug into them yet. I'll do that tonight. We got them tomorrow.

We got them this weekend. But, yeah, Judge is obviously having a judge-esque-type MVP season. And I think Soto's just been a game changer. I think that that kind of edginess, the controlling of the strike zone, the getting on base, the grinding at bat at bats. He's playing great defense. I think that's been transformative. you know, we've known Alex Verdugo for quite some time.

And obviously, this is going to be a great series. You know, I think that the East, West Coast, rivalry, Dodgers, Yankees, you know, all this World Series back in the past. I think it's going to be on the national stage. I think it's great for baseball. And you also mentioned Shohei Otani, and he's a guy, the one guy that really can move the needle in baseball. And so I think it's a lot of eyes are going to be watching us.

It's going to be a fun series. And there's some guys from us, for us that have never been to even new Yankee Stadium. So this is a real treat. Finally, I watched Paul Skeen yesterday. He throws the ball pretty hard. But now in baseball, now everybody, when I was a kid, Don Gullet of the Reds through 95,

and he was a flamethrower. Everybody throws 96 now. It's just insane how hard they throw. What did you make of him yesterday? It was impressive. And like you said, I mean, there was 101, 102, and Chapman comes in and touches 104, three times. And it's like, I joke with these guys all the time that I got out of this game well in advance before the game got too hard.

So I marvel at how these guys can time a bullet. But Skeens, man, just a year out of college, I remember watching him in the World Series. And to see the seamless transition he's made against the world's best, it's pretty remarkable. It's four pitches, command. He has an idea what he's trying to do. So, you know, I was happy that we got him out after five. That was a, you know, a win in itself. They got another young kid who threw against us the first night.

Jared Jones, kid from California, who was just as good in my opinion. So the pirates, they're well equipped for the coming years as far as arms. Hey, Dave, you're one of the good guys. Continued success. We'll be watching this weekend. Thanks for taking 10 minutes, and I appreciate it. I appreciate you. Anytime, Colin.

All right. Dave Roberts, nine years, Dodger Manager, got a World Series. Huge, huge series with the Yankees this weekend. For the record, you know when he first said he named that guy. Mark Bruner, who used to be a Steelers, tight end, great blocking tied end. I kid you not. His dad was my dad's accountant.

Ted Bruner. It was my dad's accountant. He came from Aberdeen, Washington, Mark Bruner, and he joined the Huskies, and he was, as Don James did not play freshman, and he played Mark Bruner. Mark Bruner in the little town of Aberdeen,

Washington, Weatherwax High School. Nobody knows this. This is like my 70s NBA trivia? No, this is worse. Is it well? It's fine. It's fine. Accounting and Aberdeen and Beeswax or whatever you just Sometimes you've got to connect with the people. Yeah, certainly. Mark's dad was a big, big man.

Yeah. My dad's accountant. My dad, the local optometries. You're a big, big man. Well, I am in a lot of different ways. I tried to talk your buddy and to go into a function with me this weekend. Which buddy is that? Eric. Why can't he go? No, I tried to talk him. How do I get you to come with me to that? I'll go to a function this weekend. A wine auction.

I don't want to go to a wine auction. That's just trouble. Anne's out of town. There are a lot of cougars there. I'm not interested at all. You know what? Not your scene. I'll go see those cougars when I go on a hike Saturday.

You're such a liar. You're not hiking. With that heat dome coming to L.A.? Dude. Grew up in the King Dome, I can handle the heat dome. I'm all good with the heat dome. By the way, I live about a mile from the beach. We haven't seen the sun in L.A.

I know. Six months. June gloom, right? I love it because I grew up in the northwest. I don't like heat. Don't tell Danny Hurley. Don't. Just tell them it's sunny all the time.

You know, Connecticut's cold, but blue skies. Connecticut? It's not a... You move from Connecticut to L.A. Call him up. Tell them how much of an improvement it's been to your social life, your life in general. There are good days. Your health?

There are good days. Connecticut's good days, though. That's a state that's principled, has values. Oh, really? Dedicate? Yeah. Values, principled. A lot of smart people there.

And you can get a home for under $28 million. Okay. Whatever. All right. So we'll, you know, tonight, Celtics, Mavs, game one in Boston. I'll take Boston by about 6'7. See you tomorrow. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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