The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The MLB playoffs

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

Adam Wainwright talks to Colin about the Dodgers on the verge of elimination and the Phillies/Mets series More thoughts on who might be the Jets head coach next seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Or stream us live every day on the IHart Radio app by search. Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, they're breaking television FS1 Fox rating records. We said two weeks ago the National League playoffs are must watch. You don't have to be a Mets or a Phillies fan or a Padre Dodger fan. And really, if the Padres and Mets end up in the NLCS, it's great. I thought it would be Dodgers-Fillies, but the Mets, I mean, they are hitting everything.

And so let's bring it Adam Wainwright, 18 years, three-time All-Star, Golden Glove, multiple-time winner, FS1. So, like, sometimes there are a catalyst for an offense. I mean, Dodgers are, you know, they're putting Otani top of the lineup. Podres have a batting champ top of the lineup. The Mets lead the postseason and hits and runs. Is there a catalyst for it, or do you just think they're hot, and it's just their toughouts up and down the lineup for you? you? Well, it's been a different star kind of each day. I mean, Mark Vientos has obviously kind of stepped up and become their, you know, slug of percentage. He's the guy that hits a couple of

huge home runs for them. But then Pete Alonzo is the only reason they're playing right now. You know what I mean? He hit that dramatic home run in Milwaukee off one of the best closers in all the baseball. And last night, he went upper tank opposite field on a fastball perfectly located up in a way. A pitch that he just hasn't hit this year, but that just shows you that he's getting mechanically right at the plate. But I mean, obviously, you know, they got who by any stretch would almost always win the MVP, the way he's playing at shortstop, the way he's driving and runs at the top of the order. I mean, this Matt's lineup is tremendous from top to bottom right now. When you have guys in your 7-hole and 8-hole producing like they do,

and guys, they had two guys in AAA to start the season that are just stepping up in huge ways for them right now. The Mets are playing inspired baseball. They're a very, very dangerous team, obviously, but they could win this whole thing. Yeah, no, the bottom of the Phillies lineup is not hitting, and that's probably the difference in the series. So tonight, Jose Cantana throws,

and if you're the Phillies, they become pretty reliant top of the lineup. I'm looking right here as the Philly's 6, 7, 8, 9 hitters are 4 for 41. How do you attack Kentana tonight? Well, and that's one of the big stories coming in was, can the bottom of the Phillies order produce? Because the top of the order has handled their business somewhat. They're getting pitched very tough, honestly. But the bottom of the order has got to step up.

If you're Kentana, though, you know, what he does, it matches up very well with a lot of these Philly hitters. He pounds the ball up in the zone. He's got a below-average fastball velocity, but above-average fastball location. He commands everything very well. When you command everything, and he's got a little bit of hop, a little bit of carry, a little bit of cut more than the average fastball, that he just runs it up and in on these right-handers very well.

And that's going to be tough for these big hitters. But, you know, he also uses that change-up really well. He's got a great breaking ball. He works off of it. And this guy, I've pitched with him before. He's been on my team. He is not scared of the big moment. He's a great competitor.

So it's interesting watching Dodgers and the Padres. So the Dodgers have some older stars. I mean, they spent a billion dollars in free agency. Next closest was the Giants at $300 million. So they've pushed a lot of salaries down the road, but they're fudging the numbers. This feels like, I mean, the Yankees years and years and years ago felt like if they wanted a guy, they'd go buy it.

That's the Dodgers now. They just push salaries down the road. But when I watch the games on television, it's very rare when you can get great players but they play with no pressure and a chip on their shoulder and between Tatees, Manny Machado, it just jumps off the television. They're playing loose.

I mean, they're literally taunting the Dodger crowd. There is something about, I mean, were you ever on a team that you felt you had just as good a talent or better, but you were playing with no pressure at all? That's what it feels like with the Padres. Well, that's largely, what happens when you're in the Midwest. No one really expects you to go into the big markets and win. But, you know, the two teams that are up in those series right now, the Mets and the Padres,

they came in as kind of the little brother of this situation. Nobody's expecting the Mets to come in here and beat this great Philly team. Nobody's expecting the Padres to come in and beat that great Dodger team. But if you look kind of inside what's going on, even though the Padres just lost Musgrove, their team's probably more healthy. Their pitching staff is certainly more healthy. Even though the Dodgers bullpen down the stretch was really excellent, they were great, but they've had so many injuries to their starting rotation. It's hard to come back from that. I don't care what team you are. If you lose four of your five starting pitchers and almost five at some point, you're going to have a hard time winning games. I don't care how great your lineup is,

and they have certainly one of the greatest lineups that anyone's ever seen. But the Padres, from top to bottom, rotation-wise, their bullpen's doing great. Their lineup, I mean, they're hitting home runs at a clip that I've never seen before, they are just extremely tough, but it all comes down to playing great as a team at the right time. These two teams, the Mets and the Padres, are playing great at the right time. I mean, I don't like saying get hot because these two teams are just actually very good, but they're playing well together. Yeah, and Tatees is an amazing player.

He hits now with power, and there's no strikeouts. He's 10 for 18, four homers in five games, no strike. couch. That's insane. You know, I want to go back to the Mets. It is, we all know that there's been quarterbacks in our lifetime. Elway, Mahalms, Brady. They're great from behind.

They're great fourth quarter. Baseball's different, though, because it's not a singular force. The Mets are this come from behind team. And it's weird. I'm watching the other night. They can't get on base. They can't string things together. And then all of a sudden, you know, they come, jump,

surge past. They did it with the brewers. They did it against the Phillies. How do you explain? Is there, you know, they used to talk about ghosts at Yankee Stadium. There is something weird about the Mets. They almost, they're better late. Is it just coincidence? In your 18 years, were you ever on a team like that?

I don't know if I've ever seen a team come back as many times as they've done this last month. It's been remarkable. And I asked a few of those guys in the clubhouse, and they all say the same thing. This is our destiny. We're supposed to win these games. And I think the great thing about it is they don't get down when they're behind. They are still comfortable and trusting their guys to be able to put a good swing

or a big inning together, and they've done that time and time again. You know, and they have guys throughout the lineup that they can pass the baton, and they're comfortable with the guy behind them. They trust them and behind them. You know, when Lindor gets off to, or he gets on on base to lead off a game, I actually thought, coming into this series, I thought, maybe the Phillies should let the Mets get ahead in the first inning or a second inning because they might not know how to act when they're leading. But, you know, the fact of the matter is they're winning games however they need to win. And when they get into these big situations down the stretch in the game, seven, eight, nine innings, eighth, ninth innings especially, they're comfortable and

they're confident. And they just, and here's the great thing about sports. When you expect to get the job done, a lot of times you do. And when you, when you, you know, you know, drop your head. The other team, here's what's been so impressive, especially game two. Both these teams, the other side would, you know, hit a dramatic home run to take a lead or to tie it up, and you would think the other side would go, oh, golly, man, this team. But they'd go, okay, all right, you can do it, we can do it too. And they just were punching back and forth. And that's what's been impressed with this Mets team, man. They showed up yesterday. They were not worried at all about losing that tough game in game, too. They showed up here

and played a great game. Shamanai pitched an unbelievable game, and they just beat them, you know? And so I think the Phillies are on the ropes, but if the Phillies win today, the Mets are in big trouble. So this could go two different ways, obviously, but I think maybe right now the Mets may have the advantage,

but if somehow the Phillies can sneak out of win today because they have a great playoff performer on the mound, a Ranger Suarez, if they can win today, game five is going to be very tough for the Mets. Yeah, Dodgers is in real trouble. They're throwing a bullpen. game tonight. So they needed last night night, Dodgers going with a bullpen.

That's a tough spot to be in against the team. Tatis, Machado, the rookie, Merrill, they're hitting the ball. So I think the Dodgers are in some trouble. Finally, I want a football take. Before you went on the air today, I was talking about Aaron Rogers struggling last 22 games. And you

brought up something about his injury, and I think this is important context for the audience to hear. Yeah, yeah. So I tore the exact same Achilles that he tore, which is your land leg. And it's, it's, you think that that would be the better leg to tear. But unfortunately, with that hit, that lead leg when you land, you throw against your front side. And if you lose that front side, it takes you a little bit of time

to relearn how to throw the ball and how to, how to use your legs properly in space. And he's going to learn that. He's one of the best performers of our lifetime. He's one of the best throwers of the football ever. I don't think anyone's arguing that. He's just going to have to relearn how to use his legs, it sounds crazy, but those Achilles are funky injuries, man. And for throwers, that plant leg, that's a very important. If you can't throw against your front side, it's going to be tough. And so you watch. Now, this is my call on the herd here.

You watch. Halfway through this season, he's going to catch fire, and he's going to be unbelievable down the stretch. Adam Wainwright, musician, going to be a Hall of Famer, great analyst, and football. takes. I got to get out of this business. You could sit in this chair, but you're too busy, your life's too full. It's great seeing you. I love you

taking time for us, and enjoy the game tonight. We'll be watching. All right, thanks. Thanks, sir. You bet the great Adam Wainwright, who's just so good for us. And, yeah, like, I think the Phillies still have a fighting chance. Dodgers are throwing a bull game, bullpen game tonight. So against San Diego,

good luck. You know, it's weird. It's the way sports works out. San Diego loses its NFL team. And since that time, it feels like the Padres have just invested the community in the baseball operation. They run like a major market team. They run like Boston used to.

Like, they got big bats and big contracts. And it's like, you know, you think to yourself, oh, they lose their NFL team. Their baseball team is so dynamic and electric and the environment so crazy, you know. It's like, I mean, L.A. welcome the Chargers, but it's like the Padres have just, San Diego has just totally embrace this baseball operation. And it's really fun. And the Dodgers throwing the bullpen tonight. Good luck. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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This is the herd line news A lot of baseball today Big NFL game Tomorrow night The Niners Visit Seattle Niners have already lost three games this season

Two in the division They still though Have the third shortest odds to win the Super Bowl Nick Bosa is not taking San Fran's early season losses lightly It's a lot of pressure

It's not a must win because technically your season's over if it's a must win but it definitely feels like it so we're treating it that way yeah it's i would say in this division it's not a must win it's this is the one division that's weird and i don't think who leads now will lead i don't love anybody in that division now but when the rams get healthy next week i think the rams are going to rebound and look really good um every other division I have a feeling about, like, Kansas City. I trust Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, Houston.

I think Atlanta's going to win theirs. I think Washington's for real in their division. They're going to be a playoff team, whether it's wild card or win the division. This division, though, the NFC West, I'm just going to let up, give me about three weeks from now. I think it's all going to play out. I think Seattle's limited offensively. I think Arizona. maybe a bit limited defensively.

And San Francisco probably gets it right. So the one drawback is you can forget about home field advantage if you lose this game, right? I mean, Colin, the Vikings are rolling. Detroit is going to start to roll. And then the Philadelphia Eagles have the easiest schedule in the NFC the rest of the way. Look at this schedule for the Niners. You still have dates against Kansas City. Okay?

You have the Green Bay game, the Buffalo game. I mean, Miami and Tuel will be fighting for a playoff spot. Detroit in Week 17. I don't see a world where the Niners or Homefield Advantage. And remember, they lost to the Rams at SoFi in the NFC championship. They were at home last year. We were able to come back against Detroit. Homefield advantage means something in the playoffs.

I think this is a huge game. I'm on the Niners here at three. I don't love it as much at three and a half. I haven't heard about Jake Moody, the kicker. Like, they couldn't kick last week. Remember without him? Yeah. So I don't know what's going on with that.

Do you have a lean or anything on this one? Yeah, I mean, I think in these big stand-alone games, home teams have played very well. So if you give me the hook, I would take Seattle. I think also Seattle played very poorly against the Giants. So a home team, Gino played poorly, I'm taking the hook. I would probably bet Seattle. And final note, rookie coaches making their Thursday night football debut, going back to 2000, they are 22 and 34 against the spread.

They just aren't ready. Gerard Mayo, we saw this year. Here, Patriots looked wholly unprepared against the Jets. It's tough. Short week, you know, you got a rookie OC. I mean, it's just a tough spot for Seattle. I'll go with the Niners here. Next story, Colin, is Jerry Jones.

So this is interesting. Friday, he went on a radio show in Dallas and agreed with one of the hosts who suggested the Cowboys were in a soft rebuild. Okay, that was Friday. Well, yesterday, Jerry said, whoa, well, I didn't mean that, saying instead he wanted younger players the Cowboys have drafted

to replace injured starters like DeMarcus Lawrence and Micah Parsons. This comes down to why is the owner doing a Friday radio hit anyway? You know, I get it. If you're a billionaire, you do whatever the hell you want, you own the team. Well. But he's just creating more stuff that doesn't really need to be out there. Well, they, I don't know, rebuild. I think if you have Dak Prescott, a star receiver, Micah Parsons, and Mike McCarthy, I don't feel it's a rebuild.

But what I do think they are, I think they're incredibly top-heavy. And I think the part of their offensive line, except Zapp Martin, they're rebuilding their offensive line. And if a team is rebuilding their offensive line, more than any unit on a team, then that feels like a rebuild because your quarterback's paying the price, your running games paying the price, and your receivers can't get, don't have extra time. Have all the units on a team, if you're rebuilding your O line, it feels more like a rebuild. You're not going to be as good in third down. You won't be as good in the red zone.

You won't be good running the football with leads. You can be rebuilding your D-line, and if the offense is humming, you don't really notice. It's interesting you mentioned the trenches. So I'm going to give you the quarterbacks that Dallas has faced. So they face Deshaun Watson and they beat him. He's arguably the worst quarterback in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then they face Derek Carr, who I don't know, where are you on Derek Carr?

Like he hasn't been great, but he killed the Cowboys. And he's like a mediocre quarterback. Then they faced Lamar Jackson. That was 286. They were getting boxed in. Daniel Jones, bad quarterback. I know you kind of like him. Beat him.

Justin Fields. Okay quarterback. Now they go back to facing a top tier. Well, they're going to face in order. Jared Goff, Brock Purdy. Kirk Cousins, Jalen Hurts, C.J. Stroud, Jaden Daniels, and an improved Daniel Jones. That is rough. I'm just saying this Dallas defense is not great against good quarterbacks.

Colin, I think that Pittsburgh win was Fools Gold. I like the Lions a lot. So, against Dallas. I love them at minus three. At three and a half, it's a tough. A little less so. Final story is, oh, let's go back to the Jets. I mean, again, it's the New York Jets.

Robert Salaf fired yesterday. Aaron Rogers denying he was involved. Well, Hassan Reddick is still not reported to the Jets. Remember, he's been holding out since Philly traded him to the Jets. Another disaster for this franchise. While addressing the media about Salas firing yesterday, Jets owner Woody Johnson asked Reddick to come join the team. We'd like to have Asam here. We'd welcome open arms.

He'll find a very welcome walker room, and he'll be able to fit right in. But he's got to get here first. So, Assam, get in your car, drive down 95, and come to his New York Jet. Yeah, I wish it was that easy. I mean, it's just embarrassing. What's an owner pleading with a holdout to please come in. Like, he was groveling to get Aaron Rogers. Like, I just.

He's recruiting him. He's doing a Nick Saban. He's recruiting him. You think Nick Saban was groveling for recruits for teenagers? No, he was. I don't know. He's like, hey, you want to go to the NFL? Come play for Alabama.

Do you buy this whole Aaron Rogers blindsided? Stop it. Nobody with a pole supplies that. Roger's trying to sell that. Come on. Blindsided. All right. I haven't been on the interweb today. That's smart.

That's good. Is the interweb buying that? I don't know. A lot of the internet's dumb. I mean, these people are sitting online all day, these anonymous trolls coming after us. And, oh, Aaron Rogers, he's right. He wasn't involved. Just kind of over this kind.

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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Bo Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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which you can see on NFL Network Sunday at 9.30 a.m. Go to the Fox Sports app and enter for a free chance to win cash prizes. So here's Rich Semeini, said Aaron Rogers probably took this harder than anybody per Tyler Conklin. He says Rogers spoke at a player's only meeting, expressed the need for accountability. Conklin says nobody in the building believes Aaron. had anything to do with the firing. And all that matters is what's in the building. But,

all right. Okay. I mean, if that's the case, whatever, I won't be cynical. If that's the case, Woody Johnson is worse than I thought. Nobody, I mean, again, there's not a lot of blindsided surprises

over the course of, I mean, the companies I've worked with. I mean, it occasionally happens. Something inappropriate happens or something nobody knew about, but most of the time, nobody's blindsided. You know, I was thinking about this. So, Joel Klatte earlier, we were talking

about who's going to replace Robert Sala, and Joel Clat, this is an outrageous claim by Joel Klatte. Here's the thing that you've got to understand about the NFL. It doesn't matter who your coach is. It matters who your quarterback is.

Has Bill Belichick done anything without Tom Brady? No. Has Andy Reid done anything without Patrick Mahomes. I'm not saying that they're not good, but you don't, what are we trying to do here? Are we trying to be good? Or are we trying to win Super Bowls? That makes it sound very simple. I do think if there are six components, and I believe strongly in this, if there are six components total to win a Super Bowl, where you have to be really good, I think it's quarterback number one, head coach number two, left tackle number three, pass rusher, somewhere number four, your coordinator on the opposite side of the head coach, five,

and then one, at least one big weapon. So, for instance, when Sean McVeigh is coach, it could be a Rahim Morris, or Andy Reed does the offense, Steve Spagnola. Houston's a great example. So let's take the Houston Texans. Quarterback, C.J. Stroud, excellent. D'emico Ryan's excellent head coach. Laramie Tunzel, great left tackle.

Will Anderson, great pass rusher. Bobby Sloick, the coordinator who's opposite the head coach specialty, five, and then weapon, Nico Collins. So that to me is a Super Bowl team. If you have those six, well, the Jets, quarterback, Aaron is no longer top five. Head coach, Sala, we don't know if he was good, my guess is he wasn't. Left tackle, pass rush, no problem. Coordinator, Nat Hackett's a disaster, opposite Sala's defensive head.

head coach lean and weapon, Garrett Wilson. So they've got some of them. But I mean, if you look at the Chiefs, it's Mahomes, Andy Reed, left tackle, they've been okay. Pass rush, Chris Jones, spags the coordinator on the opposite side of Andy Reed's specialty. And the weapon, it's either Travis Kelsey, Isaiah Pacheco, it was Rishie Rice. So you don't have to be a plus at all of them.

Left tackle, they've been fine. The one Super Bowl, they weren't good at left tackle. They had an injury. they got blown out. But that, to me, that's the six things that you got to be, you can't be terrible at any of them. If you have a terrible left tackle, it'll unravel a great coach and a great quarterback. It unraveled Andy Reed and Mahalms on a Super Bowl against Tampa.

You can't be terrible. Head coach, quarterback head coach, left tackle, pass rusher somewhere, the coordinator opposite of the head coach specialty, and then the weapon. And that to me is how you win Super Bowls. Right there. What do you think about that take? I don't hate it. I just want to hear...

By the way, I don't have cornerback. Jets have great corners. I don't think cornerbacks are essential. I think you can be good at corner, not great. You can have... Jets have the best corners in the league last couple of years. Hasn't meant anything. It really starts quarterback, coach, left tackle.

Well, do you remember in the off season? That's why I was like, hey, look into moving off sauce gardener or something and fortify other positions you need. I just, Colin, I go back to this. Like every team you know what they are, the good teams, Kansas City, right? You know what they are defensively. Spagnolo's going to blitz the hell out of you.

That's what he's going to do. And Chris Jones is going to move all over the defensive line. You know what they are what they want to be. The Niners, when Kyle Shanahan lines up, you know what's coming. A lot of movement. A lot of guys getting yak. I don't know what the jets are, Colin. I just, I don't think they know what they want to be.

Like, if I were to sit Nathaniel Hackett here, be like, what's your offensive philosophy? What are we as the Jets team? I'm part of the team, obviously. I would love to hear his answer because I don't think they know. Do you? Like watching them, no motion. They want to run the football.

They say all offseason they want to run. And they throw 54 passes in London. Yeah. They're not, you don't know exactly what they are. Like even when San Francisco loses, you know what they're trying to do. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. Minnesota's starting to fall in that same bucket.

Listen, go look at that offense. There's guys open all the time. Yeah. Sam Donald's making plays defensively. Brian Flores, we are blitzing. The house is coming all the time. Yeah. I don't know what the Jets are.

You know, it's interesting. Aaron is positioning himself, and you can see everybody now that wants information from the Jets is going to say, Aaron didn't know anything. It would be much more believable, except that Aaron said such wonderful things about Mike McCarthy, but I had two players tell me, two players tell me they were in that huddle. Aaron didn't like McCarthy, rolled his eyes at McCarthy's play calls. So if you lie to me, I'm going to assume you're capable of doing it again. So Aaron positioned himself as I, McCarthy and I are good friends.

But we know Aaron led the NFL in takeaways his last year or two with McCarthy. He would literally just roll his eyes or throwaways, excuse me. He led the NFL in throwaways, meaning I'm not even going to try to execute this play. He just let it in throwaways. And so Aaron likes to use, and by the way, LeBron will do this too. Aaron likes to use media outlets leverage to I didn't know anything. And maybe Aaron's right. But I know I've never told a story about Aaron what he said to me once at the Espies.

And I don't know if I ever will because it doesn't mean anything. But at the time, it wasn't a shot at me. We didn't know each other. I mean, I was barely on the air. But it's the idea that he respected Mike and Mike. Mike and he were great. It was just a bunch of nonsense. I had players on the roster tell me.

We're at practice, in games, in the huddle. So when you do that, and now I'm supposed to believe, as Sala tried to come up and hug you and you push back, as Boomer Assiz and says, there's something wrong here. There were multiple people saying, it's not great. He's closer with Matt Hackett. And now you want me to believe, oh, love the guy. What do you expect me to do with somebody?

My job is essentially to find the truth. You said one thing in Green Bay, and I had it sourced. It wasn't true. So you want to tell me he's a buddy, I watch your actions. You don't talk to Saul on the sidelines. You go to the podium constantly and take shots at him, and he takes shots at you. What do you want me to believe? So I think I told you this before.

I had to do host like an event for some mobile phone thing. And there was a former Packers player there. And behind the scenes we're talking. I was like, oh, what is it like working with Rogers? This was like five years ago. He was the biggest jerk ever. I was a rookie. I would walk past him in the hallway.

I'd be like, hey, what's up, Aaron? He would not even make eye contact. Totally ignore me to the point I thought I was doing something wrong. So this player who was a tight end, went to the coaches and was like, guys, does Aaron Rogers hate me? He doesn't talk to me. He doesn't give me instruction. I'm going to have no chance. They had to broker so Rogers and this guy sat down and, like, talked.

That's how bad Aaron Rogers is in the locker room. Can you imagine what he was like with Robert Salah? I don't think he's bad with all players. So Russell Wilson isn't loved in a locker room, but for years was loved out of it. Aaron's mostly been loved in the locker room, but not out of it. By his guys like Alan Luzon. Well, I mean, it does matter. Like Aaron does, I will defend it.

Aaron in the locker room, much more popular than Russell Wilson was in a locker room. Russell got better press out of it. Aaron gets worse press out of it. So Aaron's got his guys. And I mean, I know guys who have played with it or didn't like him. I have had multiple players play with him. they like him. But he can, he is, he is what you see. He is moody. He is prickly. He goes dark very fast. Jeff Saturday has said this stuff. He played with him. Aaron is a moody guy. And that's,

that's his personality. I'm not ripping him for that. Everybody can have their bad days. But again, I, I, I, the idea that, uh, that this, Aaron was devastated. And I'm watching this thing. And what's amazing is, if I was Aaron and heard that Nat Hackett was getting demoted. I don't care how good of friends we have, but it's my career. Demote him. Salah's not hurt me. The defense was great Sunday.

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