The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The NBA playoff games tonight

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

It's looking like the Knicks will be advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals The Pacers have a star in Tyrese Haliburton and they might be going to the NBA Finals More thoughts on the NFL schedule   Guest: Chandler ParsonsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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did something interesting. So I've used a term for years. I like analytics. I prefer man-aletics. I like the playoffs to be about physicality. Get a bucket, get a stop. I like the mid-range game. I don't want a parade of threes. And I think Adam Silver-Channler has said, guys, I don't like them either. And I'm going to allow incredibly physical play. And the Cavs and the Celtics that lived on threes, it's not working. I watched the Knicks, and I thought to myself, handler the other night before the Tatum injury. I said, if this is what the NBA is going to allow, I don't know if they need a tweak. Are the Knicks right now with this kind of physicality allowed?

Do they need a big tweak to win the title? I don't think so. And it's an interesting point that you bring up because during the regular season, if you watch the regular season, those 82 games, it's a completely different product that you see now. With the physicality, just to simply look at the scoreboard, you're seeing an old 90s, style NBA basketball scores 94 to 86. The unders are hitting the crazy clip. It is a different level of basketball.

And you always heard that, you know, playoff basketball is more physical. The refs let a lot get away with a lot more. And as long as they officiate it consistently, I love it. I think it's a better product. I'm with you. I don't like watching the Celtics shoot 60, 553s every single game.

And you can see in the playoffs when a tough physical team like the New York Knicks slows it down, junks it up, values each possessions, play slower. They tighten the rotations anyways, so the Tibbs playing six, seven guys, doesn't hurt you necessarily in the playoffs. Over a long season, given the 82 games and the injuries, it might bite you in the butt a little bit. But playoffs, everything shortens, possessions are more valuable, and it does favor a tough physical team like the New York Knicks,

who are proven that they outplayed the Celtics this series. And again, I hate that Taden went down. I don't want that to happen to anybody, but, You can't look at this series and like, oh, they won the series because Tatum got hurt or, oh, the Pacers beat the Cavs because Donovan Mitchell's got hurt. This team, they both those teams outplayed these teams who struggled against them in the regular season. Think about the Knicks didn't win one game against a good team pretty much the regular season. And they have simply outtuffed and outplayed the Boston Celtics this entire series. You know, listen, I've always said of all the sports, aesthetic culture, the NBA is,

It's a canvas and everybody's jumper looks different. There's art. I fell in love with Dr. Jay. Was he the best player? He was the coolest. And, you know, for years, I mean, Michael Jordan was both. But there is style matters in the NBA. So when Tyrese Halliburton gets called the most overrated player,

I'm like, it's so petty. What, I don't get it. Like, what about his game turns off players? Is it just that he's obnoxious? Like, how could people get there on? on him. Yeah, well, first of all, I think it's a slow start didn't help. They struggled early, and he was kind of a part of that where he got off to a not such a hot start. Their team struggled, but the team USA, he made Team USA too, didn't play. So I think there's a little jealousy on what's

there. And I think a lot of those votes, Colin, are also coming from binge players where I think they don't make me have, he doesn't have their respect because everything I've heard media wise from superstars, some star-level guys have kind of given Tyrese his flowers. And again, is he is he one of these aggressive, sexy, offensive players? No, but he's one of the last true remaining point guards that we have. Since like Chris Paul, he's a past first setup guy that's going to get Siak on the ball in his spots, that's going to find Miles Turner at the right spot for that pick and pop three. To get guys out in transition, he is just an absolute pure point guard.

And if anything, I think he's underrated. So these, these voting, I think he nipped that in the bud real quick with this series and kind of, you know, the game winners and just the clutch, you know, plays he made down the stretch. But looking around the league, there's obviously very, very talented offensive scoring guards. But if I'm looking for a true point guard, I'm looking at Tyrese Hallibor. He's one of two players averaging 10 plus assists over the last three seasons, him and Trey Young.

That means something to me. I don't necessarily need my point guard going and shooting 20, 25 shots a game. Yeah. You know, there's a couple of, there's been a couple of revelations. outside of New York, a lot of us thought Jalen Brunson would be a two, not a one. He's clearly a one. Like, the argument's over. He's a great shot maker.

But I'll tell you another revelation is Julius Randall. And this shows he takes to coaching and Chris Finch and his staff are excellent coaches. I watch him now. This dude came, when he came into the league to the Lakers, Chandler, I watched them and I'm like, oh no, the league's changing. he's going to be like Tristan Thompson, love him as a guy, but he's not built for the sport. I watch him now, and I'm like, oh, his passing, his toughness, he can shoot threes. I am shocked by what I'm seeing with Julius Randall. Are you?

I am. I'm very. I'm with you. And I think when he first came in the league, he's kind of a bull in the China shop. Lou Lowe said on our show today. Yes. As guys get older, I love to see their games slow down and kind of kind of kind of. come full circle.

And now you can play through him in the post. He takes what the defense gives him. He's still a little streaky of a shooter and inconsistent, but he's making big shots and big moments right now. Everyone kind of pooped on the idea of this trade early, getting rid of Cardinald, the Sound. Me included, I didn't love it early, but I think now they're getting their rhythm down.

I didn't understand how Gobert and Julius Randall were going to work in the same time with spacing, with Anthony Edwards being such a ball-dominant guard, needing more lanes. They figured out a way to do that. and they've filled this roster with guys like Nas Reid where they can go small. Jadeno is who I think is one of the most underrated players in the league,

everything he does defensively, offensively, slashing, cutting. They have vets, they have shooting, they have a little bit of everything, but you're right. And I said this before the Lakers series. Julius Randall is going to have to outplay and equalize LeBron James. He did that.

And now he's doing it again against Draymond and Jimmy Butler, and he's doing it in an even higher level and kind of willing this team probably to the Western Conference Finals for the second straight year. So I'm super happy for him. I've never been the biggest Julius Randall fan of his game, but he's proving me and a lot of people wrong, that he is a stud and he has value.

And his game is just slowing down and maturing right before our eyes. Finally, and I think this is really hard. The Chicago Bulls, the last dance documentary, they could have won potentially another one, but they just said, guys, we're blowing up the band. I respect that, though I didn't have to agree with it. The Warriors are doing the opposite. We're going to keep Steph.

keep Draymond. We're going to add pieces. I think they're much further from winning a title than the Warriors think. Kerr's great. So is Steph. I think I would move everything. I think they need a big swing. I don't know if the Warriors think they have a big swing. If you ran them, I think this is why Bob Myers left. He didn't want to make these. He was like, I don't want to get rid of clown. I want to do this. What do you do if you're the Warriors, if they get extinguished in this series? Well, think about that, Mike Dunleady Jr.'s job. He comes in, he's got to decide on

Clay. He's got a side on Jordan Poole. He's got to decide on Dray Monagre. He's got all these decisions to make and Bob Myers just kind of jumped ship. And I think he's done a pretty good job. All the distraction, all the drama with Jimmy Butler, that clearly has proven to be a great trade. The Steph Curry injury in this series, take anyone's

number one off their team and any of these playoffs series, they're going to be hurting from that. So I do think that is a huge factor. And this is exactly why you go and get a Jimmy Butler for that exact reason, to have a closer, to play, put the ball in his hands and do it. Now, when he goes and takes nine attempts like he did last game, that kind of boggles my mind a little bit. He's got to be aggressive, down three and one tonight. I'm living and dying with Jimmy Butler taking 20, 25 shots tonight because that is why he's here, especially with

Steph Curry out. Now, if you can package Jonathan Kaminga, who's found himself out of the rotation, who now is Steph out. He's providing that spark again. I understand basketball IQ-wise. He's not the best fit with Jimmy and Dremont. The dude's talented, and the dude's going to probably make 20, 25 million and restricted free agency this summer, and he deserves that. Maybe you sign and trade him and you add some other asses, like guys like Potsinsky, Moody, you know,

who don't, Draymond, like, who knows? I think everyone is on the table to kind of maximize this Steph Curry window right now. And it's unfortunate he's not in this series. Hampshire, he's nothing you really want to dilly-dally with. but I do think they're still kind of a big move away from really being that contender. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Yeah, Camingo playing without Steph has actually been a bright light in the last couple of games and they probably now have a little more market wiggle with his emergence in the last couple of games. Chandler Parsons, you do great work as always. I had a Beatle and all your friends and I appreciate to have a great week in your undisclosed location. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate for having me. Thanks for having me. You bet, Chandler Parsons. Yeah, I think it's so easy for me to just say blow it up. Yeah, you're not going to get rid of Steph because he's still great. But boy, when you have Steph, this is like LeBron and the Lakers. When you have Steph or LeBron,

they are the offense. And not every, like, Golden State's a little trapped. Young players don't work with Steph. They don't. They don't work with Steph and Draymond because of this offense. LeBron, LeBron's never had any patience. He didn't want to play with Andrew Wiggins. He goes, give me Chris Bosch, give me Kevin Love, give me J.R. Smith.

I don't want young players. So, like, these, there are, KD's different. You can put KD in any offense it works. But if you have LeBron and Steph, boy, it's going to be really hard to rebuild because they don't work with young guys. So what do you do? I think the Lakers and the Warriors are more trapped than they want to admit. J-MAC with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's revisit the big breaking news from last hour. Derek Henry is staying in Baltimore, a two-year $30 million extension, $25 million of it

guaranteed. Henry is now the third highest paid running back in NFL history age 30 or older. And, oh, I'm sorry, he's the highest paid at 30 or older and becomes the third highest paid currently in the NFL behind Sequin and CMAQ. Listen, I don't think this is that. I don't think it's a bad deal. I don't think it's a huge deal. They needed to keep Derek Henry. They did.

Good job. Yeah. And I also think he is a great compliment to Lamar Jackson. and that was one of the problems when the Chargers got rid of Keenan Allen. He was such a dependable third-down receiver for Justin Herbert. Now, Herbert, as he ages, maybe doesn't need that. But generally, as a young quarterback comes into a league the first three or four years, now, Lamar's obviously passed that.

But, I mean, let's be honest. Edelman was for Brady. Gronk was for Brady. And when Brady went to New England or went to Tampa, Brady's like, I want Gronk. There are Travis Kelsey and Mahomes. Most quarterbacks have somebody that they really feel comfortable with. And I think Derek, it's never been wide receivers for Baltimore. Zay Flowers, I still don't see as, you know, a difference maker at the highest level.

I think Derek and Lamar work. Yeah, I'm looking at his stats from last year, 1900 yards. You know, he had a really good season. The only thing I would caution, Colin, is I would start to limit his carries early in the Just the way Josh Allen does not run out of the pocket and scramble 10, 15 times in September and October, save that for the postseason. I would start to manage Henry a little bit. He's getting older. And you're going to want him to be a hammer. By the way, against Pittsburgh, 26 for a buck 86 in the playoff game. And then he came out a week later against Buffalo and was only 16 carries 84 yards in a game they lost.

And they fell behind in that one and really, you know, you take him out of the game, really, if you're behind by two square. course. Yeah, no, he is a weird, he's got a little Adrian Peterson vibe where you're just like, you just don't see him age until the very end. Like we've seen McCaffrey get hurt. You can tell he's getting older. Sequin Barclay's like that. Like if you watch Seekoine Barclay, he's got the energy of a rookie. Like you can't tell how long he's been in the league. And Derek Henry, he had a slow start to his career. He didn't pop his first year, year and a half in the league. But he looks like the same back he was. five years ago. And he is banging

into people on every carry. Do you think I could tackle him in the open field? No. Any chance? No. No, I don't think honestly, I think if you took our entire staff of like 11 people, he'd still gain eight yards on a dive. Drag all of us. Next up, how about this, Colin?

You have talked a lot about JJ Reddick's interesting comments at his exit interview after the Lakers lost to the Timberwolves. Reddick talked about the team needing to get into championship shape, which many took as a jab at Luca Donchitz. Well, now the Lakers have posted a job to LinkedIn for a head of strength and conditioning.

Now, to be fair, our staff, you know, this is a great group we got here. They researched it. The Lakers posted for the same job last season as well. So let's not freak out and say, ha, ha, ha, Lakers are hiring on LinkedIn. That being said, is this something, nothing? What's going on? Well, it's something because the perception is that Luca is not in tip-top shape. It is frustrating when you have to convince a pro-athlete like Zion and Luca to be in tip-top shape.

I've argued this. You can correct. Julius Randall is a great example. You can elevate a player through coaching. You can elevate a player like Luca through roster construction, like Luca is better when he has a rim defender. but I can't hold your hand and get you on the treadmill. Like that was always my knock on, you know, I've said this before, Zion or Carmelo Anthony. It's like, guys, I need you to play on both ends and you've got to be an elite shape.

I can change a lot about a, I can take, somebody once told me this, a GM, he said, you can't change a player a full grade. You can change them half a grade. You can take a B minus player to a B plus. You can take a C plus player to a B minus to a B. You're not going to turn a C plus to a B plus through coaching and through planning and how they fit. But you're not, Travis Kelsey was destined to be really, really good. Now, again, he was going to be an A minus player.

Now he's an A plus player. But I think with Luca, I'm always frustrated with a professional athlete who is not, who has an offseason when he's not ready to play and comes in shape to the season. Listen, I'm going to have to protect my guy, Luca, here. They went to the finals last year in Dallas, and he wasn't in tip-top shape. So if you're coming to Luca and saying, hey, bro, you've got to get in shape. Hey, man, I just carried us on my back to the finals. Excuse me? Like, I kind of understand how Luca where he's coming from.

That being said, against the Timberwolves, the Lakers losing the first round. Now I can understand that, hey, buddy, we need you to tighten it up a little bit. We don't have a rim protector the way you had Gafford and lively to protect you in Dallas. We don't have that. Well, anytime it's like a divorce. You know, you've got, you see a woman or a guy and you just think, man, what a perfect person. And then they get a divorce and you're like, something has to be wrong, right? Divorces take two people.

It's the same with the trade. We didn't love what Dallas got for the trade. But why would they even consider it? They considered it because for the second, Campy was hurt. calf strains, they saw his work ethic or lack thereof. They were pulling the beer can out of his hand. Whenever you get a divorce, it takes two people. It can't all be on the bad Mavericks.

Some of it's Luca. Maybe they knew they were getting Cooper flag in the rigged lottery. Oh, God. All right, final story is college football. Colin, we have regular season with totals out in the Big Ten. Big Ten. Yes. In May, they've got wind totals. Obviously at the top, Ohio State and Oregon and Penn State are 10 and a half. One of those teams that's their quarterback returning. Penn State, obviously, but they lost a lot. How about your Trojans down there? Seven and a half as a

win total. Well, I like USC a lot. I don't know about quarterback. Their schedule is, it's okay. Keep an eye on that Michigan, eight and a half. It feels a little light. I haven't dug two deep into the schedule yet, but Michigan will be better this year than they were last year. Let me, let me look at this for a second. I think Penn State's going to be, I think, I think Penn State could find themselves in the national championship. Yeah, if they don't make the playoff, it would be a colossal disappointment. Yeah, I think the big, I mean, you know what this shows you?

What does this show you more than anything? You got three teams here in Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, who are in line to play for national championship. That's what we used to have every year in the SEC when you'd have George Obama LSU. This shows you the power dynamic that there are three teams right there, all viable national championship teams. I think Michigan, of all the numbers I see on this, yeah, I would say Michigan's probably, but you know what, we don't know if this coaching staff, I mean, we don't know. Let me go. UCLA just gets the quarterback from Tennessee. No. Nico. personnel.

No, their personnel, no, and UCLA planning cold weather, I think that number's fine. I mean, I'll tell you, this is the second year in a row. USC's at seven and a half. Let me ask you this. Let's say USC wins seven or eight. Is Lincoln Riley coming back? What's the buyout? Well, no, his buyouts about eight years at $8, $10 million a pop.

That's the biggest problem because they spent so much money on facilities in NIL. But it's, I really like USC. I don't like the quarterback situation. I think the freshman coming in is the starter, and you're not winning a Natty as a true freshman starting quarterback, but they have a quarterback in camp, and they can't name the freshman the starter or he'd transfer. So they're in a bit of a bind.

I think, I don't know. No, no, no, no, I know. I'll take the over on Illinois. Oh, that's right. That's your team of destiny. Yeah, I'll take the over. Yeah, I have Illinois making the playoff as the four. I think Illinois makes the playoffs.

Don't we have like a wager? I think you have to get a car if they have. don't make the playoff or something like that? No, I think it was a croissant. I have, I have Illinois over seven and a half. How about per don't down there at the bottom of the list? I have no idea. Sorry, sorry, I had to, I like saying per don't. Instead of per die. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Michael Hawley today, Chandler Parsons, really good stuff. We, uh, the crew's in Chicago. This is a very active.

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We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But, we're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

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applesauce for lunch and dinner guy that's just unable to make decisions. I think the family's discomfort is she may work herself into the will. That's what happens with sometimes older, wealthy men and younger women and the family gets, you know, uncomfortable with it. But Bill's living a great life.

And I've said before is the reason I've supported Jordan Hudson is Bill, the NFL sent signals. Bill, you're old, you're not collaborative. You're out of touch. It doesn't work. And so Bill went to ESPN, laughed a lot, smiled a lot, seemed jovial in a clear rebranding effort, and then goes to college, and then has a girlfriend, and she's all over social media. I think Bill knows exactly what he's doing, and I think he's having a heck of a time doing it. But this all started, the catalyst for this, the genesis of this move is the NFL basically sent Bill Belichick a message.

And that message was, you're out of touch, it's an offensive league, it's a collaborative league, you're a defensive guy, and you're kind of combative. And you have to take control of everything. And that's not how Sean McVeigh works in L.A. That's not how the good coaches work. And so Bill's like, okay, I still want to coach. I can only golf so much. I mean, Bill Parcells got tired of coaching, but he went to the GM route. And Bill got tired of billionaire owners not respecting him and said, well, somebody's going to pay me $10 million to coach.

It's college. My dad was a college coach, Navy. And then Bill has this relationship. Everybody else is getting uncomfortable with it. I'm not so sure Bill's uncomfortable with any of it. I think he's probably tired of answering the questions. But this idea, here's another uncomfortable. truth that all those 19 and 20 year old recruits may kind of think it's cool like look at coach

coach brand it like you're uncomfortable with it but how do we know that tailback from tallahassee doesn't kind of think it's cool i mean so i i i don't know michael holly uh been a long time reporter in boston i asked him how are like patriot fans responding to all of this they're freaked out They're freaked out by Colin. What's out of character is the loss of control. He is a grade A control freak. He doesn't like anybody to speak for him. He handles media situations.

You can argue sometimes he handles them poorly, but he handles them himself. It's not the Bill Belichick that we saw. It's not the On the Cincinnati Belichick. It's not the guy grumbling in front of the media and giving you one and two-word answers. It's actually Belichick stepping back and letting someone one else come forward but but there's a sense now that that bill is a disciplinarian and uh he's lost control i don't think he's lost control i think i'm going to give north carolina credit think about the one college football power in the acc clemson clemson unlike ohio state

Michigan, Notre Dame, Bama, Texas, USC. Clemson has dug their heels in, and they refuse to go NIL and transfer portal. And Carolina is like, well, we're the basketball powerhouse here with Duke. Why can't we be the football powerhouse? This is what Oregon did with Chip Kelly in the uniforms. Oregon said, we want to be USC. We want to beat Washington.

Let's be a disruptor. So they hired Chip Kelly and run a play every 13 seconds. It becomes the futuristic way college football is playing. They had a thousand uniforms, the visionary Phil Knight of Nike. And so I look at Carolina saying, well, in our conference, Clemson's dug their heels in. They're not doing NIL. We're going to go all pro-model, completely pro-model. I defend it.

And the catalyst for that is Belichick, Mike Lombardi, and Jordan Hudson. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with something Bill's totally comfortable with. I mean, I get, again, this power dynamic. Jordan Hudson knows what she's getting into. And some of it's real estate, according to the New York Post or whoever reported it. You're uncomfortable with it. I don't think Bill, Mike Lombardi, the players, I don't think they are. That's just my take.

NFL schedule released tonight. I said this earlier. Yeah, one of my producers said this. He said, everybody wanted Bill Belichick to change his ways. He listened. He's changing his ways. I need you to be more collaborative. and more current and youthful.

Hey, Jordan, you want to go on a date? I don't like what he's doing. This is very uncomfortable for me. Well, I mean, listen, he got a message from the NFL. Dude, you're old and grumpy. First thing he does, goes on ESPN, tell stories and laughs a lot. All right. I mean, Bill, listen, you know, we see Bill as this rigid guy,

sort of like the late Bobby Knight. Like, there's a way to do it. Bill's changed. Bill's been talking to things. Never forget. Bill's mentor was Bill Parcells, and there's a legendary story between Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick going into a Super Bowl that Belichick brought a defensive game playing to Parcells, and Parcells hated it. He just hated it.

And it worked. And so Belichick's very aware that when he was looking up to Parcells, that sometimes you have to listen to your assistance, and sometimes you have to listen to outsiders. And, you know, I think all the problems started in New England. when Bill took over personnel and he could not get Brady skill players. We never really heard a ton about Brady and Belichick. The relationship was fine when Gronk was in his prime and Aaron Hernandez was in his prime and Edelman was in his prime.

But as those guys aged, Bill had more power on draft week and the drafts got worse, the players got worse, and they couldn't replace the Edelmans and the Gronks with new. high energy, high production skill players. And that was really the beginning of the end. Brady leaves, Belichick has no feel for offense, and it all came crumbling down. It is remarkable, though. The best football coach, five years ago,

we would have said best football coach of all time is Bill Belichick, and he is a cautionary tale. Folks in competitive industries, politics, tech, football, Wall Street. Life is fast. And if you don't change, you are out of your element overnight. Nick Saban understood this. Football changed. No huddle.

The rules changed. And Lane Kiffin was the offensive coordinator at Alabama. And he said, Nick, I can score on you every possession in practice. You can't stop me. And Sabin to his credits like, no, I can't. And Sabin went from a linebacker, defensive line corner program to a quarterback wide receiver left tackle program. So Sabin's one of those guys that could have easily done more of a Bobby Knight, feet in the ground.

Mike Shashefsky, one and done. He dug his feet in for a year or two. Then he was like, yeah, I'm getting beat by one and done guys. So some guys like Calipari, it's easy. The transition to new cultures is easy. Steve Kerr, you know, Golden State. Dodgers have done very well with analytics. They're like six, seven years ago.

Andrew Friedman, Tampa, to Los Angeles. But a lot of successful people, a lot of times. a lot of times older men struggle when the world changes the sand drifts beneath their feet they're just they're in power they don't like it and belichick suffered from a little bit of that but i think the carolina move is overwhelmingly him listening get younger get current be more collaborative and i think he is the only thing i'll be bitter about is if this thing blows up before labor day i want to watch him coach i don't know how good they're going to be but Clemson is out on all the changes. Carolina is like all in on them, and historically, the disruptors, they win. They beat the old guard.

That's just the way it works. Tar Heels open up. A lot of Ws before that Clemson game, JMAQ, and a lot of doubles after it. They're going to the playoff, right? Do we establish that? In the ACC? Yeah.

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