The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The NFL offseason

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Colin discusses Saquon Barkley's new deal with the Eagles, the possibility of RBs starting to make more money, the NFL draft, and more   Guest: Peter Schrager See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com. or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Okay, this is interesting. So I believe Howie Rosebner of the Eagles is very smart. It's being reported the Eagles are giving Sequin Barclay two years and $41 million.

That is a lot for a running back. And a contract extension, he's earned it. I love him. Classy, great. Okay, so I'm going to go to Schrager. Peter Schreger joining me. I got a question. So Howie Roseman said a week ago.

We're going to make some moves here. It's going to be a little unconventional. What he was basically saying, Shreggs, is we're going to have to get rid of some guys you really, really like. So he is signing Barclay first, which is going to get great press, and everybody's going to love him, because he's going to have to let go of either, like, the linebacker, A.J. Brown. my guess is they were going to do this anyway, but they've done this early to get some good momentum because they're going to have to make some tough cuts here eventually.

Am I nuts? Well, they're going to, their roster, it's what happens to any Super Bowl champion that has all that talent on it that had those high sellers. So, like, Darius Slay was already cut, James Bradbury was already cut. I think Milton Williams is going to sign elsewhere. I think Zach Bond's likely going to sign elsewhere.

I think Josh Sweat's going to sign elsewhere. They're going to get the life sucked down. out of them. But Sequin is the most important piece. And if you're an Eagles fan, you're like, all right, we got Jalen Hertz Sequin, and we got Devonthe Smith and that offensive line. We're good. Yeah, no, no, I think it's interesting because you mentioned a Zach Bonn, and that's the one the fans in Philly, because he's such a working class, tough kid. That's a hard guy to move off. You get crushed on WIP radio for 48 hours. Yeah. So I think they get bar. I mean, if you sign Barclay, I think it gives so much goodwill. Now, I want to talk

about this because you would know this. Listen, Matt had a couple years on his contract, Stafford. And unlike the Niners who have occasionally caved a little to players, the Rams are tough negotiators. I mean, they moved off Jalen Ramsey. They'll move off Cooper Cup. How close did we get here to Stafford not be in a ram, Shregs? It was a lot closer than people. At the end of it, everyone says, oh, well, of course he wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't the case. This was a really up and down week and it was the one that tested the relationship. But to Sean McVeigh's great credit, he was completely transparent with Stafford and gave Jimmy Sexton, a really powerful agent from CAA, who also represents guys like Bill Parcells and

Nick Sabin and he's got a client and Matthew Savard, gave him the ability. They said, why don't you go on your own and go test the market and see what he can get on the open market as if he was a free agent? And it turned out there were multiple teams willing to pay Matthew Stafford more than $50 million. and that is way more than what the Rams are willing to pay him. Then it was a discussion of, okay, we can trade you to one of those teams, whether it be the Raiders or it be the Giants, do you really want this? Or will you take less and come back here and not move your family and not go to a team

that hasn't made the playoffs in the years and not get to know an entire new strength and conditioning and coaching staff? And when it all came to be, Stafford and McVeigh met at 630 a.m. Pacific Time. Friday morning. All cards were on the table. It was completely transparent. And it wasn't like they had some, you know, blow out the week earlier and it went through aid. It was all like this. And it was like, you know what? I will take less money than I can make on the open market. And I will return to the Rams because I know what I'm getting. And I've got four little girls and a wife who loves living in Los Angeles. And I like working with you. So they ran it back.

But don't get it twisted. Anyone who tells you that there was not actual trade talks with the Rams and the Giants is wrong. And Rams of the Raiders was wrong. There are parameters being set. at the end of the day, Stafford didn't want to leave, and he's taking less money to play for the Rams. Okay, so we, as a staff the last two days, we just can't quite figure out Sam Darnold. So I love him. I said, Josh Allen had two stinkers last year, and Mahomes had several, and they had a better roster than Donald. And I think Kevin O'Connell looks at it and thinks, okay, it didn't end well, but the Rams were better than us, and the Lions were playing one of the biggest games in 10 years in Detroit.

We got overwhelmed. It happened to Josh Allen, who went nine for 30 against Houston. It happened to Mahomes against the Raiders. It happens in this league. It was certainly capable for Sam Darnold against better teams on the road to get beat. But they have J.J. McCarthy. And so when I hear, you know, they're working on a new deal with Darnold. Could you explain what's going on in Minnesota?

Well, I don't think we can harp on what you're saying enough. I don't know if a single player has cost himself more money than what Sam Darnold cost himself in the matter of eight days. that week 18 game against the Lions playing for home field advantage, playing for NNFDAR, and playing the way he did, and then eight days later against the Rams, that was scary for a lot of teams saying, I can't give Sam Darnold $50 million if those two games exist on film when it matters most. He reverted back to all the bad Sam Darnold games that he's had instead of the great ones that he had for 17 weeks. That's unfair to him, right? We think that's unfair to him. That's the truth of the matter. I don't have a market for Sam Darnold that is, that is, that

that his teams lining up outside the door to go sign them. Meanwhile, I think if we were going into week 18, there were those teams. I would think that many of these teams, Cleveland, Tennessee, the Giants, they would all be interested in talking. But those two weeks, he reverted back to a version, or at least showed a version of himself that scared off a lot of these teams. Now we're talking about taking $10 million off the table, $20 million off the table from what he might have been had he finished and had this Miracle Super Bowl run. So you look at the Vikings. They don't know what J.J. McCarthy they're getting. He was hurt all last year.

They like him. They drafted him in top 10. If Sam Darnold is willing to come back on a two-year deal, say they pay him $30 million the next two years, gets a two-year, $60 million deal with an out maybe after the first. I think the Vikings would be very open to that. Sam Darnold goes and crushes it once again. McCarthy's there. Maybe if McCarthy lights out during training camp,

they could still trade Darnold to a team. I think that is the most likely outcome for Sam Darnold, this free agency ride. He comes back to Minnesota, not on a franchise tag deal where they're paying him $50 million, but that they pay him something more like what Baker Mayfield made last year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And when he got his deal and said, hey, why don't we bring you back on something like around 30, 35, and you prove it again and then you cash out big after that. It's not ideal for Sam Darnold. It is ideal for the Vikings because they don't know what they have in J.J. McCarthy.

We know, Shrags, you know this, that. that quarterbacks can be elevated, the better the coach. I mean, Matt Stafford was always great. Now he's a star. Right, Herbert with Harbaugh, all his numbers went up. Shane Steichen is a rookie as his coordinator. Coaching matters for quarterbacks, especially younger quarterbacks. But older quarterbacks, too.

So I defended Aaron Rogers. I said, after Sala got fired, this was not a great coaching staff. Aaron's last 10 games, he's pretty good. Wasn't great, but he's pretty good. But there is a market. Let's not be ridiculous. I think the pendulum has swung so far on Aaron. People are like, yeah, he can't play.

I watched the last 10 games. He moved a little better when he got Devonte in. I don't know. I'm Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, Brock Bowers. I got a center in the draft. I have Colton Miller. I'm the Raiders. Bring him back west.

It seems it's not a great market. Like Aaron Rogers Raiders, is there something there? Yeah, there's something there. I also think Aaron Rogers Giants is a real possibility. You've heard that. And the truth of the matter is, you're right. If you look at the stats and the film, he played well over the second half of the season. And oh, yeah, he was coming off the Achilles, the first half of this season.

28 touchdowns, I believe, 11 interceptions on a team that had a lot of issues with coaching, but also their offensive line. Look, there's no teams that are banging down the door for Aaron Rogers right now. I'm going to look to pay him big money. But you could convince yourself if you're either the giants or the Raiders that if we can't get one of the top prospects in the draft or the top prospect in the draft, which is Cam Ward, there's a lot worse off that we could do than bring in Rogers.

Here is the rub with Rogers. The media might not like him. The national mainstream media might not like him. He might not go with some of the... He speaks his mind, which is uncomfortable for some owners. Players love him. teammates love him he is he that jet's locker room

they would ride or die for for aaron rogers they loved aaron rogers those young players and he was he was a great teammate to them so it's this rub like do i care if jimmy kimball doesn't like aaron rogers or do i care that garret that uh you know the young players on the team love erin rogers like where are we at with this thing i think the giants brian dables under the gun brian dable's been questioned erin rogers under the gun

Aaron Rogers been questioned. Would you ride with Aaron Rodgers of the giant chip on his shoulder for a budget contract? I think you would. And if you're the Raiders, does anyone know quarterback play better than Tom Brady and Chip Kelly?

Like, if they like him, and he's always been a good teammate, he's never been a bad teammate. Can you convince yourselves that, at least for a bridge season, Aaron Rogers can at least put some respectable football on the table? You sure can.

Yeah, no, I think he's a beaten down stock on Wall Street. There's still value there. He was 18 TD Sport picks in his last 10 games. And again, a suboptimal coaching staff that was coming off in Achilles. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, folks, let's not get nuts here. He can still spin it. Finally. I think the quarterbacks go one and two. I think the first three teams are desperate for quarterbacks, although Aaron may land with the Giants. Cam Ward, the most talented quarterback, is that a lock? He goes number one. Well, he's got the biggest upside. I don't know if it's all

said and done that Chador is not a better quarterback. But right now, they're looking at Cam Ward pretty much unanimously around the league. Remember I talked to as the number one quarterback in this draft. And everyone loves his story. You know, he started off at Incarnate Word, which is a school in San Antonio, and he had no other options. That's where he went. Then he went to Washington State, and then he goes to Miami,

and single-handedly in one season becomes the greatest Miami quarterback, statistics-wise, that we've ever seen, and is an amazing kid. Like, everyone loves it. He's humble. He works. And I have a little story from the Combine where I was there. on Saturday when he's working out, and I have access to walk on the field because I'm interviewing different GMs, and I'm part of the NFL network broadcast. So I get down there, and Cam Ward's not

working out. But his teammate, Xavier Restrepo, is doing all the wide receiver drills. He couldn't resist. Cam Ward takes a football, and they go through the entire route tree together, and he's flinging the ball, and he's basically doing a workout, despite not doing a workout. It's just not on camera, and he's doing it while Restrepo is working out. And he looks great, and like every interview he did, he wowed everyone. Everyone loves Cam Ward. So I would say he's number one. Shador's a little trickier. Here's the rub on Shador. He got the snot kicked out of him in college.

And that could be a positive saying that he's always taken a beating and gotten up. Or it could be a negative and saying, okay, well, he already has been hit a bunch. And he was under duress his entire season at Colorado. And maybe he hasn't had the arm strength or the athleticism that Cam Ward does. That said, I wouldn't read all the negative stuff about Shador. And I wouldn't read all the negative stuff that it's going to affect his draft stock too much. I do think they go as the top two quarterbacks. And to your point, I think they could go as high as one, two,

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I grew up in a fishing community. Of course, it was cold and not very appealing. Jimmy's on aqua blue water fishing with a hyniquin. That's a much better version of what I grew up around as a kid. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

I'm getting hot and heavy in the NFL calling breaking news out of New York. Yesterday, jets are trying to trade Devante Adams. Today, no takers. Jets are releasing him. The move frees up nearly 30 mil in cat's face for my jets. Too bad, there's no quarterback to go get. Let's not go through the Devante Adams history. He has been traded even. I can't say that on air.

He's been passed around a lot, let's just say. And now he's been released by the jets. He will surface likely wherever Aaron Rogers does. You know, the New York Giants cross town. They don't have a quarterback. Well, they could use someone opposite Malik neighbors, Rogers and Devante? Well, I mean, I think the Raiders prime example, Jacoby Myers are two. Brock Bowers is great.

I mean, the Raiders, although I don't see him going back to the Raiders. The Giants Aaron Rogers, I guess it works. It just feels, you know, when you have instability as a legend, you don't want to go back into more instability, and the Giants just feel like they're an unstable mess. What if you're in Detroit Lions? Do you make a play? For who? For Devonte Adams.

They got Amaranin St. Brown, but like James and Williams is more of a gadget guy. He doesn't run a million routes. If I'm close, I'm just saying, Devante, come on down, bro. Let's play with us. If I'm like, I would say like the top eight teams in the league, why wouldn't the Kansas City Chiefs go after him? Hey, man, you want to try to win a Super Bowl? On the Chief?

What have you won, Devon? Well, they feel that Worthy became like a low-end one. That price is coming back, I know. Yeah, I don't think. I think they have O-line needs. Chargers? That's probably the best best one's off. Now, that one's interesting to me.

Because I think they're going to move off Boso or Mac, and it's not a great wide receiver draft. And I think, so I think what, I think you can make an argument, the Chargers are going to go after a tight end Loveland from Michigan if available. And so if he, because I think the Chargers are just missing two pieces. I think they're going to draft a running back, great running back draft. I think they need another tight end and another receiver. Devonte Adams to the Chargers. Now, Harbaugh's built his career, Jim Harbaugh's career is he's won Natty's and got into Super Bowls without dominant receivers. So, you know, I mean, given the opportunity to draft a receiver or Joe Alt, he went off into tackle.

Then if he said that in the room and I was there and I'm a Jim Harbaugh guy, I'd be like, Jim, let me roll some footage of the Texans playoff loss. And it was Ladd McConkey or bust. We had nobody. No, no, no, I don't disagree with you. We can't do anything. And Herbert, the deep ball thrower he is with Adams? By the way, I just looked it up, California guy from the West Coast.

Yeah, Fresno State. Fresno State as well? No, it makes sense because you're not paying McConkey. You're not paying any of your backs. They have to get, because of J.K. Dobbins' injury history, they need another back. I mean, we all know what the Chargers need. A back, a tied end and another receiver. That's a good enough roster right now.

That's a good enough roster to win multiple playoff games. Now, they just don't have enough firepower. So I think it's going to be very much an offensive draft for the Chargers. Like, we thought Garrett Wilson was a one. Maybe it was just me. He was a superstar. And then Adams come in and he was the primary target. I still think Adams can be a one.

The only other guy, Godwin and Tampa, remember he had the... He's hurt a lot. I don't see him leaving Tampa. No. I see him staying there. So now T. Higgins is out. It's like, Chargers has got to do something. I think Devante Adams makes a lot of sense for the charges.

Next up, Colin, is Kirk Cousins' future. We're going to find out here very shortly what the deal is. He's owed a $10 million roster bonus. He's still on the team as of March 17th. Dan Graziano of ESPN reports that the bonus is not a factor in their decision, adding the odds are stronger. Atlanta won't find a trade market and will release him at some point soon. That should surprise nobody.

I've long been a Kirk Cousins defender. Same. I think he can, I still think he can win. They would come off the Achilles. It wasn't great. I don't know if Kirk Cousins needs, he doesn't need the money, and I think he's got a very full life with his family. I could see Kirk Cousin's saying it was a good run.

I'm over. It's over. Like, I get it. He's just shutting it down? He's made a lot of money. I looked at Atlanta as a two-year experiment anyway. We all knew that Panix was going to play. I thought it would go better.

Like, by the way, I was right until Thanksgiving. He was exactly what I thought he would be until Thanksgiving, and then it just went off a clip. But you could argue that it was ruined for Cousins from the jump. Remember he went there? He's like, I want to end my career in Atlanta. I'm happy to be here. Then they draft his replacement with like a top 10 pick.

I think he won 8th Pennings. And at that point, Cousins had to be looking around, like, what's going on here? And then he plays like crap, gets his Achilles. I think... Would you rather do cousins on a two-year deal or Sam Darnold on a four-year deal? I would be cousins. I would do Sam and a four.

But we've seen cousins with multiple quarterback. Coaches. We only saw Sam thrive with Kevin O'Connell. Well, it depends. Do I get Chip Kelly? I think Sam Darnold on a four if the number is reasonable. That could work. Yeah, I mean, it's Kevin O'Connell's not the only guy that can coach quarterback.

Nobody's one of the best. Final story, Colin, is you love a good mock draft. I alluded to this one earlier. Listen, man, you and I think Chador is going to. Many People top five. Lance Zerline, a guest on this show, just released his mock draft. And listen, I'm not going to blast the guy. He is your boy.

He has Chador going 29th in the first round. 29th. Abdul Carter first. I mean, okay, maybe he's the best player. Travis Hunter's second. That's insane to me. Membu, the Missouri office. He had a really good.

He played the combine, but jumping him to four? I mean, it could happen. Team Mac, you see at 5. Shemar Stewart. Lance is heavily skewed toward what just happened in Indy. Stuart, who wasn't really... No, Cam Ward's going to go number one. I don't see how it doesn't happen.

I think guys are just talking stuff behind the scenes and leaking stuff out. I don't see a world where Tennessee passes on a quarterback and starts with Will Leavis next to you. Okay, by the way, in Dane Brugler's mock draft in the Athletic today, they have Shadour Sanders going number 21 to Pittsburgh. 21? Why, I know. So the jets are passing on Shadur Sanders. And the Giants.

And Seattle. Well, he's a B prospect. I don't care. We don't have a quarterback. He's a draft one. I would be absolutely floored. I don't know. This would be a Luca level surprise.

I never thought Shura is great, but now he's getting beat. I mean, I do think he's a mid-first-round pick. I think he's better than Kenny Pickett, who wins. I still hope so. Well, yeah. I mean, I think he's a first round pick. I just think he's a mid to a low first round pick. But I also think there's like six teams that are desperate,

and three of them are the first three teams picking. I mean, what does it matter if you get Abdul Carter if you can't move the chains? Who cares? Yeah, what's it going to... This whole, like, Brown's got to get Abdul Carter to replace Miles Garrett. You don't have a quarterback.

Deshaun Watson. He's probably not coming back for a minute. I'm just a little dumbfounded, but I do think as we get closer to the draft, Everybody up for quarterbacks. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. So are we going to go to the Knicks? Lakers on Thursday? Can you use your support powers to make that happen? What do you mean my powers? You're kind of a big deal. No, I don't like... Hold on.

I don't like doing this. I don't like asking for free tickets. So people haven't really hung with you before, but I'm just telling you, man. Don't get into this. But being around you, people want to come up and talk sports. I don't like doing free tickets. I like to either buy my tickets or get them from an insider that's not connected to a team

because I have to be critical of teams, and I don't want to be that guy. The Lakers won't care if you're critical, trust. Okay, hold on. Yeah. By the way, I will say this. Can you get a seat next? In my NBA bubble, I did include the Lakers. Now, I am in no way asking for free tickets to the next game.

Put that on the screen. Let's see it. But on my NBA bubble, I do have six teams in the Lakers or one of them. Says the guy who eats dinner next to Kim Kardashian. Okay, whatever. So I have, from the West, I have the Warriors, the Lakers, O.KC and Denver. I think the two best teams in the NBA are Boston and Cleveland. By the way, the Knicks can't beat Boston, Cleveland, or OKC.

I think they're like 0 for 7 or 0 for 8. So the Knicks are a good basketball team. By the way, Knicks Warriors tonight from MSG. Oh, really? Oh, really? That's like a marquee game, yeah. Oh, okay. You know Curry loves the garden.

He'll go for 50 in a heartbeat. Jimmy Butler against Tibido. So that starts at what, 4.30 yard time, 7.30 garden time? Yeah, yeah. Good call 430. That's an early tip. All right. All right.

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We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, for people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

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And on the Renee Stubbs' tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jen she went. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can

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By the way, I was watching a replay of the Oscars with my daughter on YouTube TV last night. I thought Conan O'Brien was really good. But I don't even sure, I think I'm going to go try to watch Anora, but it's amazing how little interest I had in any of the films. And my daughter was the same way. You know, different generations. She's like, yeah, nah, like brutalist is four hours.

I mean, if I'm flying to Antarctica, maybe I'll have time, but like four hours. That guy's speech was five minutes. His movie's four hours. I've got enough. Just watching his speech, I was exhausted. So LeBron goes for his 50th,000th point. Do anybody see this? So they came out with LeBron James' career shot chart came out.

I was looking at this this morning. This is interesting. So here's this career. I mean, that's every shot he's taken. By the way, he's taking more shots than that. maybe this is half, but the point being, blue shots, sorry radio audience, blue shots are regular season, playoff shots are in red. Look at how much LeBron attacks the basket in the playoffs.

So that goes back to everything with LeBron is planned and managed. I think his move off AD. People think it's the Lakers move. I do not believe that. I, with all my heart, I think J.J. Reddick and LeBron James, I think in the building, Rob Polinka, they had made a discussion that AD was a good fit, Luca was a better fit. But it just goes back to my belief that LeBron has made calculated moves, leaving Cleveland, leaving Miami, leaving Cleveland, getting off Lonzo Ball and all the young players,

moving off AD to me feels like another calculated move. Now, I'm not saying they set it up for a year, but I firmly believe that successful people, they just think differently, and they're very strategic. And, I mean, I've worked,

this corporation, other corporations, they're strategic. The greatest athletes of my life similarly have been very strategic. I remember when Brady left to Tampa. And, you know, I can remember, I think it was Adam Schaefter, reporting like, you know, he'd already like put his house up for sale the year before he had

made some moves with his contract. Brady knew a year out he was leaving. And there were like three teams he was interested in, Miami first and then Tampa and the Chargers later. So this, nothing with LeBron is just winging it. He doesn't, that's not what he does. People don't wing it. You know, maybe our current White House is winging it. I don't know. But LeBron doesn't, wing it. He didn't wing it leave in Cleveland or Miami or Cleveland or moving off Lanzo Ball. So I don't suddenly believe he's just like, hey, phone call, hello, we're moving off AD? Whoa, no heads up. Oh, this caught me by surprise. That's not how you do business with JJ Reddick. That's not how you're going to do business because the future of the Lakers.

LeBron and Reddick, you're not going to give him Eddie heads up. I just don't think Jeannie Bus operates that way. I'm sorry. So, and Nick Wright was earlier. I do think Luca and LeBron and throwing Austin Reeves, I think they're very dangerous come playoff time. They have two offensive supercomputers at the wing slash point guard position and almost every contender has one guy you can throw on someone like that. The Thunder have Lou Dort, the Nuggets have Aaron Gordon. Like you have some, you have a guy to throw on those, to throw on LeBron or throw on Luca. When you are playing Denver in a series, if Aaron Gordon is guarding LeBron, then who the

hell is guarding Luca? Yeah. I know it's a legitimate question. I think there are two great teams in this league that don't have a hole. Cleveland, Boston, I've watched them, I've watched Boston play 15 times. I've watched Cleveland play eight or nine times. There's no hole. They can defend the rim.

They defend the wing. They can score from, you know, they're efficient. I think they're well coached. Cleveland and Boston are the two best teams in the league. The West is much deeper and much better. And this happens a lot. Like last year in college football, the year before, Michigan was the best team. The SEC was the best conference. Now, this year, you can argue the Big Ten was better than the SEC.

But the two best teams in the NBA in terms of lack of holes, liabilities, bench starters, defend the rim, defend the wing, shoot threes, efficiency is Cleveland and Boston. I don't even think it's arguable. I think Oklahoma City is really, really good, but I still don't know. Am I going to trust Chet Holmgren in a big playoff road game? I'm going to trust Evan Mowbly and I'm going to trust Donovan Mitchell and Derek White and Jason Tatum, Andrew Holliday, and Porzingis, and Jason Tatum, and Luca, and LeBron, and Jimmy Butler, and Steph. A lot of Oklahoma City guys outside of SGA, who I don't think is going to get the whistle, I don't know if I trust him.

I don't know if I trust them in a big road game. That doesn't mean they're not good, but I think the NBA got really lucky, and we've talked about this before. It's one of the things, like right now in baseball, it's literally perfect. One of the big off-season moves, Justin Tucker of the Cubs, huge franchise, Aaron Judge in New York, Soto with the Mets, Freeman Betts O'Tonnie with the Dodgers, another Southern California team, Tatee and Machado in San Diego, Houston's O'Don. always got players. Atlanta's got a Coonia. Like literally, if you pick teams to be good in baseball, it would be Yankees, Dodgers, Braves, Houston, Cubs, Mets, you'd want big markets.

They've all got the best players. Kyle Tucker, not Justin. Sorry, my bad. To the Cubs. So, I mean, I just think things are cyclical. I think right now the NBA got a huge break at the trade deadline. Butler to the Warriors. Totally different franchise today.

eight and one with Jimmy Butler and Luca to the Lakers. And I said this three weeks ago and I'll say it again. It is crazy. The Lakers got Kobe from Charlotte for Vlad A. DeVots who wasn't an All-Star. They got Shaq from Orlando for a bunch of parts. They got Powell Gasol from Memphis for some draft picks and Mark Gassall. and they got Luca from the Mavericks for AD at 32 years old, Max Christi and a pick.

Four times. And the Lakers, it's never been just about getting stars. The Lakers have always gotten the right star. The Clippers are desperate. They go get James Hardin, not very likable, and Kauai Leonard rarely available. So for the Clippers, it's just about, hey, can we get a star in the building? and that was a big deal for them.

The Lakers have always been about, and we're not desperate here, we're going to get the right star. And even AD, who's a very good player, Luke is the better star. He's younger, more of an initiator, more offensively gifted, not very good defensively, but does, I think, fit LeBron going forward better. So it's an exciting time. Tonight they play the Pelicans. LeBron will score is 50,000 and then point. And I will say this, is that the one, for years and years,

LeBron played in the East and dominated the East. The West is better and deeper. I've never quite figured out why the West for probably 30 straight years. That doesn't mean they've always had the champion, Celtics won last year. The West is always better than the East. My guess, better owners, better brands, better GMs. I don't know what it is. But LeBron, if you take LeBron out of the East for about a 12-year period, it was bad.

Like, it just wasn't good at all. Now LeBron is aged. He's still great, but it's just tougher. Golden State's real. OKC's real. I mean, you know, Denver's still a championship level team. They're not as deep as they were three years ago. Still very good.

So tonight is the Pelicans. Then it gets right now the playoff standings in the West. Thunder River and the one. God, can you believe that? Lakers 2, Nuggets 3. I mean, I'm not counting the Grizzlies and the Rockets who I think are too young. They're 4 and 5, Warrior 6. I can't take the clipper seriously.

So if the playoffs started today, boy, you've got a lot of, you've got, NBA got really lucky with the Jimmy Butler Luca moves, really fortunate. Hey, let me quick, can I go back to Sequan Berkeley? Interesting, some guys are, some of the cap guys are noticing stuff. Derek Henry is on a two-year $16 million deal. Sequin Berkeley is now on a two-year, $41 million deal. Colin, that's kind of jarring.

It's almost like the momentum is turned toward running backs. Does Derek Henry now say, hey, guys. Come on. Is Sequin Barkley more than two times the running back I am? Well, he's better than Henry. I'm not sure he's that much better. We'll see you tomorrow. It's the herd.

Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo.

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