The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The Patriot dynasty had turmoil

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

Director & producer of The Dynasty Matthew Hamachek joins the show to give some insight into the unseen turmoil for the Patriots during their 20-year run with Tom Brady and Bill BelichickSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are through four. The Dynasty is on Apple TV. We're going to bring the director on in a second. Episode 6 features Grunk. This is a great trailer, a great tease, as we're through four episodes. Five is being released, I think, at a couple days, maybe tomorrow. Here's a look at a trailer for episode six. With Gront.

When I was drafted to the Patriots, it was a proud moment. My family came on stage as well. We got in a huddle. We were doing who, who, who, who, who. In the huddle, jumping up and down. And then all of a sudden I get a phone call from the Patriots. Right, Rob. And they said, hey, Rob, like, you can get off the stage now.

Like, enough is enough. And I'm sitting there like, wow, I'm already in trouble. spent five minutes since I've been on the Patriots and I'm already in trouble. It's called the Dynasty, the director, Matthew Hamichick is joining us live. He also did, producer of Tiger on HBO, which was fantastic, multiple Emmy nominations. So has there been, you didn't grow up a Patriot fan. You watched, like many people did from the outside. Has there been a surprise, a surprise for you, Matthew, in creating this? I think honestly everything was a surprise to me because as you said I didn't grow up a Patriots fan

I rooted for the Green Bay Packers and so I knew sort of the headlines that we had all seen but the thing that I did know is that the Patriots were a team that sort of always kept you at arm's length so you were really never let inside the building and when I finally got the opportunity to talk to the 70 plus you know players and coaches and everybody else you know I really got to listen and let them tell me their stories as opposed to sort of coming in with some kind of preconceived notion, you know, about this is the way that I saw their story, and I want them to talk about it the way that I saw it. It was really just listening because these were the guys that were sort of in the room when all these incredible decisions were made that led to great successes,

but these were also the guys that were there when this thing sort of fell apart at the seams towards the end. So my perception is Brady is very authentic, Randy Moss, Thai Law, Laugh, Laugh out loud, funny. Teddy Bruske and I know Teddy well. It's so fitting. He's so full of energy. And then Belichick, it's a feel like Belichick wants to be in it to sort of cover his butt, but he's a little defensive and a

little grim. My takeaway is Belichick comes off as okay, I'm going to do this thing. It doesn't feel like he's raw, raw, like everybody else who's really into the storytelling. What was your takeaway on Bill, the interview, and how it's come off? Yeah, you know, it's

interesting. I feel like we got a bunch of different sides of Bill. When you know, you would think back to when he's telling the story of when he first gets, he calls Randy Moss, and Randy's in a club, and this is sort of a story that's told between Randy Moss and Bill Belichick. He calls him because he says, you know, it's time to come to New England, and Randy thinks that he's being pranked. He thinks that there's somebody trying to pretend to be Bill Belichick on the other end. And so you get this great dialogue with the two of them, and Bill's laughing about it and saying, you know, I, I, I, I guess he doesn't want to come to New England. But then, you know, when we get into some of the tougher subjects, you know, like SpyGate Gate,

Ehran Hernandez, you know, why was Malcolm Butler not, you know, playing in the Super Bowl against the Eagles, you know, you can tell that he doesn't necessarily want to talk about these things. But I thought it was really, really important that he gets asked the exact same questions that everybody else does. Yeah. Ernie Adams, a very likable, kind of, I mean, it's like he's this world's smartest caddy. He literally he leans on him. Bill leans on him entirely throughout this and I would

argue that when Ernie Adams retired it was never quite the same. Describe people who have never seen Ernie Adams and the role he plays because I think he's been undervalued in this whole dynasty, his brain power and Bill's trust for him.

Yeah, so Ernie Adams for everybody that has never seen him and haven't watched the show yet. This is a guy, you know, he's got these big glasses in this mustache. But, you know, when you think about Bill Belichick, we think about this guy who's sort of an ardent student of the game, a guy who knows everything that there is about football and loves football. I think that Ernie is one step above that. And he was intimately involved in all sorts of big moments throughout the dynasty, you know, at the end of Super Bowl 36 when there's a minute

36 left on the clock. And John Madden is saying they should take this thing to overtime. It's Ernie Adams who Bill Belichick goes to and says, hey, Ernie, what do you want to do? And he's the one who says, yeah, let's go for it because I think we're gassed. And you said earlier the thing about, after Ernie left, everything was over and, you know, the dynasty sort of came to an end. And one of the things that I always think about is there was that game against the Raiders after Ernie left. It was one of the last couple years when Mack Jones was the quarterback. And they did the backwards ladder, they did the lateral thing and it led to a defensive touchdown. Ernie Adams was always the guy in everybody's ear saying, just be careful, make sure you kneel on it.

It was game management. It was stuff like that. It was making sure everybody on the team was aware of the clock. And he would have been in everybody else's ear at that moment saying, just make sure if this happens, you take a knee and you don't let something like what transpired, you know, happen. Jeff Benedict obviously got approval from the crafts if there's any criticism

people have said it's from a craft's perspective is that a fair criticism of the dynasty I don't think it is I think that the thing that was important to me is if you

if you know anything about the Patriots and I learned a lot as I told this story was that over the years there have always been specific lenses through which this story has been told so for example

education of a coach by Halberstam was written. And that was really the story of the beginning of the dynasty through Bill Belichick's eyes. And then, you know, Tom Brady had his own documentary series. And the thing that we really set out to do was to let all 70 plus players and coaches and, you know, front office execs and, you know, Roger Goodell and the rivals and people who were tangentially connected all really have a say and let them tell their story through their perspective. What did Brady's title in Tampa?

What did it mean for the legacy of New England? Will we find that out? Is that talked about? I don't think we go into what his time in Tampa means for the overall legacy, because in a lot of ways, that's sort of an intellectual conversation. I think what we always wanted to focus on is the characters and how they interact with each other and bounced off of each other. And so, you know, what we do document over the course of the last

three episodes is that, you know, how this thing came to an end and the tension that was in the building. And episode nine in particular is one where you really get to go inside the room and hear what it was like as Bill and Tom's relationship starts to fall apart. Yeah. Aaron Hernandez is obviously, was an unbelievable player and a very controversial part of what was a controversial dynasty. Was that difficult to ask about and probe about the Aaron Hernandez situation? Yeah, so that episode comes out this Friday. It's episode six. And I think the thing that was most important to us there was that, you know, we, as I started to talk to the players about this, what we realized that there was sort of a duality to Aaron Hernandez. Obviously, yes,

there's the tragic part that everybody read about in the newspapers, but the other side is a guy who was deeply loved within the organization. And I think, you know, you could obviously do a sort of true crime version of this, but that's not the kind of story that we like to tell. And I think what we wanted to do was get out of the way and let the people who are actually there tell their story of Aaron Hernandez. And that involved a lot of things, but it was also showing how much he meant to all of them and really showing the human side to him.

Malcolm Butler didn't play in a Super Bowl. Brady was reportedly angry. Is that focused on much here? Because, you know, there's a lot of arguments. That was Tom, one of his best performing Super Bowls, and they just couldn't force Philadelphia to punt. The Malcolm Butler story, is that coming up? Yeah, episode nine, which is an episode about a lot of the tension

that's within the building. And the thing that you have to understand about that is that I think the Patriot program is a hard program to play in for these guys. It's mentally exhausting. But they know that every year they're able to compete for a championship and they're willing to go through it because they know Bill's a great coach. They know that Tom's an incredible quarterback and they know that they all come together that they can play and win a championship. But that was an instance where after everything that they had gone through that year, which we detail, they get to the biggest stage and Malcolm's not playing. And these guys that were there, the players use words like, why don't we have Malcolm,

back in to sort of stop the bleeding. That's one of the things that Matthew Slater says. And then at the end, one of the players says, as he's walking off the field, he says, I put everything on the line for this team, for this game, and I don't even get an explanation. And I felt cheated, and I don't feel bad saying that. And we have a reporter Nora Preciati who was actually in the locker room, and she talks about how, and you know, she's half joking, but I think there's some truth to it is that it almost felt like there was a mutiny on the team at that point.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Finally, you did Tiger on HBO and you've done the Dynasty. Any parallels, any comparisons? I mean, obviously Tiger and Brady are sort of American sports royalty. Any connections there? Did you sort of build them differently, or do you see some parallels?

I think really the only comparison between the two of them is that they weren't always the most talented person when they started out, right? I think that the thing that ties them together is that they both outworked everybody, and that's the story really of Tom Brady. He talks about the fact that he wasn't the fastest. He didn't have the best arm, you know, a lot of things like that. And so, you know, you constantly see Tom finding ways to give himself the edge so that he can compete on the highest level. And that, you know, obviously is something that he did in college, in high school. But even when he had won multiple Super Bowls, this was a guy who was constantly working at just the tiniest little things, whether that was his nutrition or anything else so that he could play and continue to play at the highest level possible until he was 45 years old. Matthew Hammacheck, it's the Dynasty, Apple Television.

They're through four episodes. I thought episode four was completely gripping. It's Randy Moss's arrival. It's SpyGate. It's losing the Super Bowl. There's a great line about what the locker room was like. Go watch it after that Super Bowl lost to the Giants. And it was really jarring to me the impact it had on these veteran players.

Matthew, I appreciate you stopping by. Congrats. I can't wait to watch the next episodes. First four have been a blast. thank you so much. Hey, thanks for having me on. You bet. One of the things I like about documentaries is, and I've read Seth Wickersham's book, Jeff

Benedict's, Ian O'Connor's is great. So, you mean, it's American history. You can read all you want, but some of the footage you see, it's interesting to watch how engaging the Patriot players are. Like, they're really reveling in how great it was, and you cannot imagine how difficult that David Tyree catch and that loss to the Giants was. If you could take one play out of that 20-year dynasty, that would be it.

If you asked every patriot, that catch would be it. Because as you watch the episode, you get a sense of how brutal. And all these dynasties have bad losses. They have ugly loss. I mean, go back to the dynasty, the Warriors dynasty against Cleveland, when LeBron makes the block and Kyrie hits the shot. There's always U.S.C.'s dynasty against Texas, they need to yard and they can't get it, or Vince Young doesn't get the ball back.

So it's worth your time. Apple TV. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. A lot of stuff popping at the Combine and Indy. We'll start with the commanders who hold the second overall pick in the draft.

looks like they'll get a quarterback. A lot of people say Drake May. Some say Jaden Daniels. Well, according to new Washington GM Adam Peters, the team has not decided whether they will draft a quarterback or stick with Sam Howell. Really, Cliff and I haven't talked too much specifically on him. We really just talked about quarterback play in general

and what he looks for in quarterbacks and how we can find that right fit for him if that's what we're going to do. And certainly that hasn't been decided yet by any stretch of the imagine. We still have a lot of work to do what we're going to do, whether it's a bat pick or later. We really like what we have in Sam right now, so we're really excited about that, too. You know, you contrast that with what you heard from the Denver GM earlier about, we don't have any calls about Russell Wilson yet. That Adam Peters, well done in Washington. That's the right answer.

Hey, we don't know what we're going to do. We got to have an analysis of Howell. They got a new coach, GM, and offensive coordinator. We know they're going down a new road. but you've got to play the negotiating game. I mean, maybe they could flip Howell and get something in return. I don't know, fifth round pick. Ryan, can we tape this segment?

Commanders make the playoffs. Feel strongly about that. You don't even know who their quarterback is. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. They're going to win 14 to 13 every week. Dan Quinn, toughness, salary. You know, defensive coaches, he's going to go by a couple defensive players.

I would prefer he spends money on office. offense, but they have good receivers and backs. Gotta shore up the offensive line, get a quarterback. Fastest way to win is keep the score close. Dan Quinn's going to lean in on that free agent market. He's going to lean into some defense and the O line. I don't hate that.

I'm kind of with you. Next up, let's stick in the NFL. Justin Herbert, you know, listen, man, he wasn't great last year. Had the injury, but now he gets his third head coach and fourth offensive coordinator in the last five seasons. It's a tough recipe for success. But with the hire of Jim Harbaugh, Herbert sounds

ready to, you know, finally get some wins and get to the playoffs. Fired up, you know, he's done such a great job at the NFL level, college level. He's had success wherever he goes. And, you know, he's a competitor. He wants to win. And, you know, I'm really excited to play for him. I'm just talking about the offense, his vision for what the team looks like, offense, defense, you know, I know this is their busy time where they're dealing

with the combine, putting in the offense, kind of getting together their entire staff. So, you know, from the times that I have talked to him, he seems like a competitor. He just wants to win. And that's definitely a guy you want to play for. He's got franchise quarterback hair. Did you that? What the bedhead? That's franchise quarterback hair?

Kind of rock star. Put a little gel in there, look a little L.A. I don't like it. He is not L.A. So I just looked it up. Greg Roman is the O.C. Yep. He was with Harbaugh in San Fran with Kaepernick back in the day.

Previously, he was with the other Harbaugh brother in Baltimore. He'll build a run game. Harbaugh is going to build a run game. They're going to go get a – in the draft, I can tell you. They're going to get a center. They're going to draft a running back or acquire one in free agency. They're going to get another offensive tackle. Don't be surprised.

A lot of people have them getting a receiver in the first round. Do not be surprised if they go get sighs early, just as a statement. Keep your eye on that Oregon State offensive tackle. That dude's a mauler. In my mock. No. You watch Harbaugh is going to make a – He's not going to go get some skinny wide receiver.

Harbaugh's going to go get physicality all through this draft. Roma Dunaze is not just a skinny wide receiver, okay? Come on, put some respect on the young man's name. He is an awesome talent. One of us saw him live. He's pretty good. So they'll trade down from five. Yeah, I think they should.

I think they trade down. Just trade down and get another third round pick because they got about seven needs. So let's get another good pick. And then they need a center, a right tackle, another receiver, a tie-down. end, an outside linebacker, because Khalil Mack, probably he or Bose are gone. I would get another safety, another corner. So if you trade

down and can get like a third and a sixth, they just need more picks. Maybe somebody will trade up for your guy, Bo Nix, or J.J. McCarthy. You laugh all you want. I'm not laughing. Just scoffing. Bow Nix. Okay. Final story is My New York Jets, where GM Joe Douglas, he's had

a lot to say. He had a presser today at the combine, and he spoke at length. A lot of this Mikol Hardman stuff is kind of blowing up in the Jets face. Very embarrassing timing. So Douglas talked about he and Woody Johnson. They're on the same page and they know exactly what to do going forward. There's a lot of talent coming back to this team. We have to add more to them. We know exactly what we have to do moving forward. And the pressure is always intrinsic in this job whenever you walk in every day. But I can tell you that we're not stressed. We're prepared.

We're prepared to answer the bell here. We haven't won enough. That's obvious. But weirdly enough, I feel like the culture is in a really good place with the people that we have. We just have to go out and do it. Also, to be noted, Douglas said that the Jets have given Zach Wilson permission to seek a trade. I'll let you crack the jokes on that one. I know where he's going.

Yeah, I heard your video earlier. Go ahead and let the public go. Arizona. Go back west, right next to Utah, family. He can move, good arm, just like Zach. He has, if you're going to have a backup to Kyle Murray. Why would Arizona invite like a quarterback controversy, Zach Wilson versus Kyle Murray?

It's not a controversy. Kyler's the star and Zach is a failed franchise guy. I was joking. No, yeah. And so you bring on a guy who has been a starter, understands the role of being a starter. So he comes in respectfully, knows he's not the guy, doesn't have any pressure, but he's been the starter in a big media market,

so he knows what Kyler goes through. Kyler's a little controversial. Zach Wilson, a little controversial. They can understand each other, and they both have a very similar game. Kyler's obviously better, but they move well, good whip. They can move it. I think both come with a little baggage. So, again, you don't have like a do-good or,

and the controversy. Both guys come with a little edge, a little baggage. That's probably the worst quarterback room in the division, right? No. Brock Perny and Darnold are better. Not even close. Drew Locke and Gino Smith. Close. And then Stafford and whoever the backup is

clearly better. There is no quarterback room. There's Matt Stafford. That's the room. They lock the door after Matt enters it. It's going to be a long offseason for you if you keep locked in on this Kyler Murray's the man stuff. Well, he's the man. Arizona.

That's not saying much. Well, career record is, you know, a tick above Justin Fields. A tick? He made the playoffs. Not a tick. They got smashed by 25 in the playoff game or 23 or whatever. So did Dallas. You're going to bail on Dak?

Jack has a playoff win under his belt. Oh, a win. Oh, eight years, a win. It's my bad. He's got a couple. Let me scale back on that. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your All right. Little wordplay here, but serious business. Jamak, we're going to play just in time. Justin Fields reportedly on his way out of Chicago.

You saw multiple comments, NBC and Chicago reporting Atlanta's the leader. Ryan Poles saying if we're going to trade him sooner than later, I bet he gets moved by early next week at the latest. That's what I feel. Give me the over. You give me the team. I'll tell you if Justin Fields fits just in time. How about let's start with Justin Fields. Good fit with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I disagree with everybody. It's a bad fit. They have the fewest touchdown passes in the league 24 since Big Ben retired. They don't necessarily elevate quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett's now. Not working. It doesn't fit. All right.

Justin Fields in the Las Vegas Raiders. Not a fit. Luke Getzzi's the OC. Luke Getzzi had him for two years in Chicago. privately probably has some concerns with his injuries, his lack of accuracy, his lack of consistency, so I don't think the Raiders is necessarily a great fit. All right.

How about Justin Fields and the Denver Broncos and your buddy, Sean Payton? I don't think not a fit. I don't think Sean wants a project, and I think that's what Fields is. Sean wants to win now. He already had a first season that was turbulent. They also passed on him. They had a chance.

They picked Patrick Sertan when Fields was available in the draft. So the GM didn't love him. Right. So the GM doesn't love him. I can guarantee you, Sean, you know, listen, Field struggles to complete the ball, and he's a bad second half quarterback. Well, if you're facing Herbert and Justin and Patrick Mahomes,

you've got to be great late. That's how you beat those teams. Okay, Justin Fields and your Atlanta Falcons. I think it's a good fit. They've got the cap space. They've got young weapons. It's his hometown. It's an easier division.

I mean, it's also, let's be fair here, it's a better offensive line. So I think Justin Fields, one of my complaints, he holds the ball a little long because he doesn't see the field that well. So at least he's going to have another beat because Atlanta's O-line, the PFF has it number four. And they have the eighth overall pick. So if they wanted to get a quarterback, you'd have to give up draft capital to get to like two or three. And I don't think Atlanta wants to do that. All right, Justin Fields and the Minnesota Vikings. I don't think it's a great fit.

You have to get the ball to Justin Jefferson. person. And I mean, Kirk Cousins, for all the criticism, last year, led the NFL with 16 touchdown passes in seven games before he got hurt. And everybody can criticize. You can criticize Kirk Cousins. He completes a lot of passes, like 70%ish. And I think that's why, you know, Justin Jefferson has said he'd like to stay. Kirk gets in the ball. Yeah. Justin Fields, good fit with the Washington Commandos. I don't think it's terrible. with Cliff Kingsbury, who's worked with young quarterbacks, but they have the number two pick, and they're going to take a quarterback.

They've also had seven straight years without a winning record, and Justin Fields, I'm sorry, all you analytic mavens, but winning is a quarterback stat. He doesn't win enough, and one of the reasons he doesn't win, he's bad in the second half, and quarterbacks that are good are usually good late. To I always defend Jared Goff. Jared Goff's fourth quarter passer rating is outstanding, So he just doesn't want enough games

And the great quarterbacks usually Have a little bit of a curtain call Fourth quarter make a player too Your Staffords, your Mahalms, your Allen's. He doesn't, so no thanks. Clutch, yeah, fourth quarter. Justin Fields, a good fit with the Tennessee Titans. I think it's a pretty good fit.

I don't think Will Levis is the answer. We'll love us a little cocky. Let's bring somebody in town. We'll challenge him a little bit. They currently have the first or second most cap space so they can buy him some weapons. They need another receiver, another tight end.

They also have Brian Callahan is the new head coach, offensive background. He helped develop Joe Burrow. So I don't think that's bad. I think, again, that division like the NFC South and the AFC South, and you're winnable divisions. I don't think it's bad spots. Justin Fields and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Well, Baker's the guy.

The team likes him, so I don't think it's a fit. And I also think, I mean, Baker, I think the town likes him. I think Baker, it's weird. There's just something about Baker fits Tampa. The town's a little... He's a Florida kind of guy. It's kind of loose. It's always had crazy personalities.

It's a LeBore City at night. I just think like Baker fits Tampa. I would agree. Lastly, should Justin Fields just stay with the Chicago Bears? Is that a good thing? 30 picks in three years. Caleb Williams is available. I'm actually.

surprise. It's really interesting that the Jets and the Bears are bad chaotic organizations. They have quarterbacks that don't win, and they've both been forever since they won a playoff game. The Jets fans and media moved off Zach Wilson the minute they could. It's amazing to me listening to the Chicago media, like doubling down on folks, it's called data. The best quarterbacks in this league do not get worse as the game progresses. Like if you look at first half to second half. The minute Justin's off script and goes to the second half, his

numbers plummet. That's Zach Wilson. Okay. And so it's like, I've never understood this. Like, defiance, I think Justin Fields is exactly what all young quarterbacks for the Bears become. Could be Cade McNawn, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman. You'll have moments,

you'll have games, you'll have stretches. You're like, it's the man. And then it's not, because they can't, they don't either have the support system or they don't surround them with enough help. I just noticed we should have had a team on here. Justin Fields and the Seattle Seahawks. Okay? Hold on, hold on. Wait a minute.

Two very good receivers. Good running back. Offensive line, you love the tackles. When they were rookies, they were fine last year. Justin Fields could win in Seattle, Colin. He could probably beat out Gino Smith as a starter. Let's be real. What do you have against that?

Kyler Murray, Matt Stafford, Brock Purdy, and Fields. He's arguably the fourth best quarterback. NFNFC South, he is arguably the best. First of all, Seattle's not finishing behind Arizona. They have a better roster, more talent. We'll see about how the coaching stuff works out. You don't think that would be a decent fit for fields? Okay.

I think when you're a... I just think Atlanta... I forgot Jackson Smith, the jigba also. They got three really good receivers. Arguably the top five group of receivers in the league? Yeah, I don't know. It's literally... So what do they do at quarterback?

Don't tell me keep Geno Smith. Well, that's what they're going to do. what should they do come i've said this now for months Seattle is one of the few teams their roster is set give up picks and go get a quarterback I'd go get bone nicks oh come on penics take pennics state put at 20 whatever and get penics okay people don't have penics in the first round I know just I think that they'll regret that by the way um jet punter Thomas Moorsted yeah punter with big strong opinions on McColl hardman's comments about the He said, be careful getting info from disgruntled former employees, getting beat out by a rookie free agent after being guaranteed millions of dollars tough to deal with.

Entitlements is a killer of opportunity. You have to earn it every year. McCall Hardman had the game winning catch in the Super Bowl. That's not what he's talking about, Colin. What's he talking about? He's talking about Hartman being salty that he got beat out by the rookie who ran the punt back against the bills opening night for the touchdown. That guy beat out Hardman because Hardman went in with a sense of entitlement. Yo, I won Super Bowls.

What's up? I'm going to help you guys win. And he doesn't try, doesn't work, doesn't grind. Morsted saw it firsthand. He's on special teams. We could say what we want about Hardman winning the Super Bowl. But in New York, Morsted has a hell of a point. You can't deny that.

Attack the messenger. He saw the messenger firsthand, not even trying. The messenger called the cheese. He was like, yo, come get me, fellas. He literally said the defensive culture had a standard. The offensive culture when Aaron got hurt. Hurt was, yeah, well, we didn't know him. Here we go.

I think the word is obfuscating. McCall Hardman, true or false, you got beat out by a rookie free agent. Facts. Here's Hardman ripping the culture on the Pivot podcast right here. Going to the Jets, I've seen that other side of where it's not where you want to be at. Y'all can't tell me about winners. I've been to full Super Bowls in five years. You know what I'm saying?

I know what winter looks like. I know what winter is. So y'all keep telling me certain things. It's like, I'm not going for that. Like, because y'all are not doing it right. Like, we got hammers on the ground. We don't got no discipline. People feel like it's too many individual egos in this locker room or whatever.

And I'm telling them, I'm like, this is not going to get you out of win. It's not going to happen. I know what winning looks like. He makes a very good point. He does know what winning looks like. You know what else? Nice to show up for an interview with like a $200,000 watch, Super Bowl rings. Come on.

He's proud of it. He's proud of it. He's clearly trying to flex and then kicking down at the Jets. I'm not defending the Jets. Obviously, they're a crap organization. If I had a $200,000 watch, you know what I'd be doing? You wouldn't be wearing it. Hi, how are you?

Stop it. Ask me more questions. You could find that kind of money in your sofa cushions and buy the watch. Just stop. I'm just saying, Hardman, I'm glad Morsted said what he said. I like that. Does a punter know what winning looks like? Does a Jets punter know what it looks like?

We're not talking about winning. We're talking about facts. Well, that's what he said. He goes, I know what winning looks like. It doesn't look like the Jets. Correct. You're right, Hartman. Does the punter know what winning looks like?

Well, he knows what not trying looks like and getting beat out by and being salty that you got beat out by the... Maybe the punter would be a receiver if he tried harder. Oh, gosh, Colin, don't do this. Getting like upset. The Jets stink. We get it. They don't know how to win.

This whole thing about McCull Hardman, he just didn't try hard enough. Or maybe Andy Reid said there's value with this young man. Let's use him. And the defensive coaching culture did not know how to use him. One catch for the Jets. One cat.

Even if you're a backup. Yeah. I could have a catch next season with the Jets. I don't think you could. I don't know if I'd survive. Why don't you try to hit a mid-range gentleman tonight in a big game? Here we go. Maybe two.

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