The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The right game plan

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Mark Sanchez joins The Herd in studio to talk about Chiefs vs Eagles, how it feels facing a legendary QB, and what each team's game plan most likely will beSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. And with that, Mark Sanchez is now a decade in the NFL. Sports is now joining us live in our studio here in Mason Bourbon. You know, I was talking about this earlier that I know they were great, but the Eagles have two rookie corners. Oh, yeah. Okay, this game makes veterans a little tight.

Drew Brees just laughed at his first throw down the field in the Super Bowl. He's like, settle down. I got too much juice. If you're Mahomes, you think you look at that and think, all right, you got nice regular season. And you've been big favorites against teams. Would you test them? Oh, well, I think you've got to do that at some point. In all these big games, on offense, you want to just give the defense a peak of what's under the hood, right?

That, like, automobile analogy, let him see the engine. Let him feel the roar of the engine. At some point, Xavier Worthy, it's got to test these guys downfield. He's their speedster drafted to be like a Deshawn Jackson for Andy Reid when he was in Philadelphia, that kind of idea. but when you're talking about this Philly defense, I mean, you got to give credit to Vic Fangio and the staff he's assembled. Because think about last year, they got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round. They got embarrassed. Their morale was down.

Everybody was down on the Eagles, especially their defense. They wanted to get rid of everybody. Well, they did an excellent job of reinvigorating some of the players they already have. Drafting and developing talent, that was usually supposed to be for depth, those two rookie corners. Remember, Quignan Mitchell, he's a rookie from Toledo, played in the Mac. He hadn't seen receivers like this until this year. He's only playing. We only know who Quinyon Mitchell is because Bradbury went down in training camp.

So he's had to play the entire year, no picks all season, two in the postseason. I'd say that's a great draft pick so far. Right. Then you get another rookie like Cooper DeGine, who was not playing to start the year. Remember, it was Avante-Matic's. And after the by-week, Cooper DeGine starts to crack the lineup, and he's been a rookie playing nickel. We've talked about it on this show before.

That is one of the toughest positions to play as a rookie. He's got to fit up in the run. He's got to play man to man. He's got to understand where to be in zone coverage. He's got a blitz off the edge. And, oh, by the way, he returns punts. This guy's been unbelievable. Then you take a couple castaways on offense from New York.

I know what that feels like. Right. Getting kicked out of New York, run out of the big city, and you take the train right over to Philly and see what happens. Mackay Beckton, remember him? He's a first-round draft pick out of Louisville. They didn't want him anymore. They threw his ass out of town.

Well, who saved him? Who made him a reclamation project? And who made him look like an absolute monster on offense? Jeff Stoutland. How about that guy? And the job he's done with the O-Line for the Eagles. Mackay Beckton's throwing linebackers off the screen when you watch the tape. Right.

So then you get Saquan Barclay cast out of New York. I mean, the job that the Eagles have done, re-invigorating their players, drafting guys for depth, and then finding ways to get these guys to play well. Jalen Carter, for example. He played like half the snaps last year. He's almost doubled his snap total this year. Well, who did that?

Clint Hurt lit a fire under that guy's rear and got him playing. Now he's a human body snatcher up front, grabs those O. Lyman, refuses to let them get to the second level. And who becomes an all pro? Oh, this guy, you never heard of him. Zach Bond, making all the tackles, making interceptions, punching the football out. They've completely changed their entire face of their defense. They're much younger now. Their identity.

And Zach Bond couldn't crack the lineup. He comes out of Wisconsin, can't crack the lineup here in New Orleans with the Saints, and now suddenly he's an all-pro the first year he plays for Vic Fangio. So whatever they're drinking there in Philly, whatever's in the water, whatever that attitude is, in the meetings, their camaraderie, you can tell they've done a great job. It's been a complete facelift. So obviously Philadelphia knows they're going to be in the record books on the wrong side

if the chiefs win. And I do think there's pressure on Kansas City to deliver, but they always have in this spot outside of the Tampa, Brady, missing their own tackles, Super Bowl. So when you are in a big game and you're facing somebody on the other side that is already iconic, and I think Mahomes is already there. Oh, yes. And let's say, I know, it sounds like you know, you quarterbacks go to the bench, you look at film. But did you ever, were you ever aware of the icon? You faced Brady and Manning. And did you ever think to yourself,

listen, man, we can't just be about run game and Rex's defense. I've got to peel one off here. Occasionally, yes. I'm going to say, does it get into your head a little bit? All of a sudden, you're Jalen Hurts. You trail. It's three in a row. You don't want to be in the record books.

Do you start to think like, hey man, I've got to make plays here? At a certain point, Jalen Hertz is going to have to drop back, go through his progressions, and make a big time throw. He did it two Super Bowls ago, minus the one fumble. He played nearly flawless. He was great. And it was an efficient game. He threw the ball in that game two years ago a lot more than I think he will in this game.

Once again, this offense runs through Saquan Barkley. If I'm killing more, I'm going to try and set the Super Bowl record for rushing attempts to Seyquan Barclay. That's my game plan. At some point, if the Chiefs find a way to return a pond, flip the field, go up 10, 14 points, we're going to have to throw the ball a little bit, not completely abandon the run game, but that's where Jalen Hertz has to come a lot. And that's where I think Coach Nussmeyer has done a great job. their quarterbacks coach, along with Kellan Moore, showing him how to play and their formula to win

this year. And it's different than the Eagles two years ago. He has to have that efficient game 18 of 22, 18 of 23, maybe 200 yards, a touchdown or two, and he's got to use his legs. Some of those big throws are going to be one-on-one matchups, McDuffie and A.J. Brown on the edge. McDuffie's a heck of a cornerback. This is his third year in the league. He's in his third Super Bowl. I mean, this kid's a stud out of Washington. So him and A.J. Brown, if they're ever matched up on the field, as soon as Hurd sees that, that's his chance to take a shot. He throws a beautiful deep ball. Educate our audience on this, Mark Sanchez, for the radio audience joining us. Kansas City has been so proficient in these one-bossession games. I think they are very Brady, New England, in terms of circumstantial football.

Do they come into this game? I mean, the Philly Special, they didn't use it all year. You try to practice at eight weeks. How many? How many. plays, do you go into a game thinking, hey, if it goes to overtime, we need two, three. Sure. Do you come into games? Now, again, Reed and Mahomes, Mark, have been together so many years. Can you add six, four? How many special plays do you think they come into this game with? Well, I think they have five to ten that they've already been practicing since August, since OTAs. Just thoughts, because when you have players that have been together, that's really what's on their side is time on task in crucial situational moments got to have it situations they know

what to do they know exactly what their fundamentals are they don't rise to the occasion they sink to the level of the way they train and they train hard their camp their training camp is notoriously hard they practice racks of plays 16 18 20 most teams are practicing 10 to 12 they do it to get their bodies ready physically, their mind ready mentally and emotionally to handle those long, arduous drives. So in those moments, they sink to exactly who they are. They've done it before. They know where to go with the football. They can recognize the defense. Patrick Mahomes can communicate it to his players, get them in the right play, and that's what leads to their high level of execution. So you did a couple of Eagles games this year. I've said before, is there are times

I watch them and think, how do they ever punt? Like, there are no weaknesses. O-line, tight-end. Sometimes as a play caller, I feel like sometimes Devonte Smith is gifted, but it feels like a lost man. They have to do a jet sweep. We've got to get them involved. In big games, is there a tendency

when you are really gifted? Whereas we like Xavier Worthy, they still feel like they're a receiver shy, maybe, like when Rishi Rice comes back. Philadelphia has a surplus. Can you sometimes get too cute with extra time to prepare? Well, if you're trying too hard and lose your identity, their identity is running the football. Once again, run it and run it and run it some more. There were a couple times in that Super Bowl two years ago where they ran it on like third and eight

because they knew they were going for it on fourth and short. That's another thing they have in their back pocket. That tush push play, until the NFL outlaws it, that is a weapon for them. You don't see the chiefs do it. you don't see other teams as successful with it. So understanding that game within the game, third and eight doesn't mean I have to throw the ball eight yards down the field. I could throw a two to six yard completion. And I know we're right in that range of our tush push, our brotherly shove, and nobody's going to stop us.

So I think they have that in their back pocket. I think when it comes to getting certain players touches, you want people to touch the ball early, especially your stars. I don't care. Snap it to them. hand it to him, jet sweep, fly sweep, whatever you want to, a bubble on top of a run, and they add an extra defender in the box, dump it to Devante Smith, let him go break a tackle, and get into the flow of the game. I think that's going to be, you know, tricky for Kellynne Moore,

but then he's got to settle in himself as a play caller, getting those play sequences align properly. You know, it's because you do NFC package and you do a lot of NFC stuff, you know, you just feel Philadelphia. They feel like right now, Like San Francisco did the previous three or four years, kind of the centerpiece of the NFC, when you're around Philadelphia, like you're on the field, you go to the Friday production meeting. What is the vibe of the team behind the scenes that I don't see and the fans don't see?

The first thing you notice is their O-line and defensive lines size. I mean, they're monsters. It looks like Space Jam and Jordan's playing with Looney Tunes and they got the Monstars on the other side. They're massive humans. and their demeanor, they're light, it's fun, and then when it's time to go, these guys can flip a switch, and they're in the middle of their plays, and there is no mess around.

Now, you get back to the huddle, the defense's on the field, the offense can joke around a little bit, but these guys are dialed. They're so focused, and they have this way to compartmentalize, and a lot of that's the coaching staff, the preparation, can't say enough about Philly what they've done. Well, you know, it's interesting. You play in New York, you play in Philadelphia.

So you, and you're in the media, And you grew up in Los Angeles. So you really understand talk radio, the media, the relentless nature, WFAN, WIP. And I think, like I've told West Coast buddies, I'm like, L.A. is a big market. But there's a hostility in Philadelphia. When you play there, just the intensity and urgency. Like there's a demand, make our roster better. And I think there's something that feeds off this.

I've said this before, sometimes Buffalo and Green Bay, the media is supportive. Sure. Like in Philadelphia, I always feel like the media and the fans kind of hold you. Like they notice every thing. I mean, did you sense that as a player there? Here's what I would say about that fan base. I loved playing, especially when you're winning, they're awesome. They'll never be satisfied unless you win two Super Bowls in one season.

So until that happens, they're not going to be happy. However, it'd be nice to win a Super Bowl for them and they'll love you up forever and you'll be an iconic, you know, player for that franchise and you might have a statue right next to Rocky, you know, downtown. So that's kind of the vibe there, but they embrace it. I think the team really has embraced it. They've taken that as a challenge. And remember, after two and two start, they go to biweek, the sky was falling. They wanted to fire everybody. They wanted to kick everybody out of town.

And they, you've seen their celebration. Everybody calm down. calm down, and they found a way to find their identity and establish dominance, especially in the run game and on defense. I always appreciate you stopping by, buddy. You got it, man. Mark Sanchez, who's just been, well, I always knew you'd be good as a broadcaster, but I was just talking about you the other day to somebody.

I said, you know, you want to do what Sanchez does. Uh-oh. You want to go be great on games, and then you want to come in and just light the room up on TV. So, my armine knife, baby. Now I got young athletes being I want to be that guy. I just try not to be like JMAQ. I heard he was out late. You better put an Apple Air tag on him tonight.

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the passion, I see the love. But Bill throws his vulnerability out there. Sometimes he'll, you know, this analysis you show no signs of lack of confidence. There has to be something with this stacked Eagles roster.

Well, yeah, the Eagles can win. Okay. What? Second quarter, forget score. Second quarter, what is going to worry you if you see it happening? I mean, if Jalen Hertz is playing great. I mean, the Chiefs are going to make Jailen Hertz beat him. And everyone points to the performance in the last Super Bowl, and Jailen Hertz was excellent.

Excellent. The problem, the flip side of that coin is he hasn't played that level of game one time since then. He's come close a couple times, but he has not been able to duplicate that performance once since then. The other thing that would concern me a bit if I were an Eagles fan is there's an amazing clip of the young rookie defenders the Chiefs had from that Super Bowl in the final moment saying to each other, bro, we don't even know the scheme and we just won the Super Bowl. Because that was the draft class that in Carloftus, McDuffie, Joshua Williams, Leal Shitton, all those guys who are now, you know, third-year players, not quite veterans, but close to it.

So I just think the Chiefs are going to be better prepared. But the Eagles are an excellent team. Their problem is they're playing a team that even though they were negged all year by the media is going to go down as the greatest team ever. This is the greatest football team ever that this Kansas City Chiefs team, going for a three-beat. They beat every single AFC playoff opponent. They beat every NFC playoff opponent they had. One team beat them. They then got back at them in the bills and the playoffs.

They're the healthiest they've been all year. There's no shame for Philadelphia in not winning this game. And yes, Philadelphia can win it. But, man, I think the Chiefs are even still a touch underrated by only being point in half favorites. You know, I've said this, and I'm glad Matt Hasselbeck pointed this out, that when an athlete is super talented, wanted, we tend to forget all the tedious practices. Like there's no, all great players have insane work ethics.

Like there's no lazy superstars. I mean, Charles Barkley was great, but in the end didn't get a title because he didn't work on the defensive end. It probably wasn't the practice committed player. And the first, after you start examining Mahalms, and you have a good relationship with him, because he knows of your adoration and fanaticism for all four people. for all things Kansas City.

I think people lose, they lose it on him, is that his ability to see openings and then let go with the ball. Marino's the only one in my life. I think Patrick, maybe it's the quirky brother or his quirky personality. This is one of the smartest players that's ever played the game. To me, it's insane when you look at the film behind Patrick Mahomes. Yep. It's Gretzky and hockey. So it's the play, and they probably can't pull it up right now,

but at some point before the game, you should have them pull this, because it got totally, it was like lost in the wash of the AFC championship game. What you're describing is shown perfectly on the two-point conversion pass to Justin Watson in the back of the end zone against Buffalo, which was a huge play, because they were down one so that you get the two-point conversion, now you're up the full touchdown. If not, you're only up five and it feels a little anxiety. There is no opening. There is nothing, and it is, he is off balance moving in the pocket, and he sees it and hits it, and it is exactly what you're describing.

What is remarkable about Patrick singularly is his ability this early in his career to identify, the exact type of quarterback that team needs that season or that game and be that quarterback. When he got there, it was, well, we have the 29th defense in football, so it better be bombs away at all times. They trade Tyree Kill, and it's like, okay, we still have prime Kelsey, we have good weapons, but we can't stretch the field. I'm going to dink and dunk my way to the most yards any players ever had in the season broke Drew Breeze's record that year

win the MVP. The last couple years, our wide receiver court last year was not good. This year, it banged up. We were going to have to be a possession-based offense, lean on the defense. He can do that. I'd never, it was not, the only other quarterback who I saw could do that

was late stage Tom. Tom, in that 14 to 18 run, and then, well, I guess further than that, you know, with Tampa, whatever version, that team needed he could be, but Tom was 35 years old when that started. Patrick's 29 and already doing it. The, I thought I was going to have Roger Goodell on tomorrow. I don't. And one of the things I was going to say is, it does, sometimes the NBA, its best players are international, and though they're really skilled and learned and wonderful kids, it would be great if they went to Carolina,

Arizona, Gonzag, and Duke, right? Domestic Stars. It's really interesting that the NFL right now, the face of the league is this kind of funny, quirky Patrick Mahomes. He's perfect. So he's not too cool that he's off-putting. He's got a flawed enough family. He's let you see the family on Netflix.

You've got to see all of it. He's in Kansas City where he probably can't be. go out. I wonder, and you have better insight to this than I would, how he compartmentalizes being the greatest player in the most popular game, yet stays out of trouble, seems completely level-headed, never gets over his skis. There's got to be ego. I never see it. So I think, I think in an odd way, one of the best things that could have happened to him was the fact that Tom beat him in those playoff games. And I say that, he was asked yesterday,

he's like, is there a game you still think about? And he snap answered, yeah, the Super Bowl against Tampa. And if you go back and watch that game, he's running for his life. It's not like he, the second half of the AFC championship game against Cincinnati, he didn't play well, and they lost. The Super Bowl against Tampa, there was really nothing he could do. But it's still evidently, you know, is the one he thinks about. But the reason I say that is because

Because he lost that Super Bowl And because now Tom is Because if he hadn't lost that Super Bowl We could be saying that after Sunday It is 6 to 5 Super already Like it's like There is such

He is chasing A white whale that had such a massive lead That there is no room for complacency And because he's almost In the perfect Goldilocks zone of, I am, I have distanced myself enough from all of my contemporaries while still being so far away on the accomplishments from what I am trying to be. Because what he is trying to be, he won't say this, but I know this.

What he is trying to be is the greatest football player ever. He's like, he will say everything's about the team and that's why he's a great leader. But when that's the goal and the guy you're chasing beat you. and is sitting there with 10 Super Bowl appearances in seven rings, it makes the quest for the three Pete almost necessity. Because it's like, this is Sunday going to be the only time for Patrick in the next 10 years? He walks onto a football field and says, if I win, I do something Tom never did.

Right. Like that's like, no matter how great he is the rest of the way, is Sunday going to be the only chance or his only chance, or his only chance of, you know, of the next decade, to be able to be like, here's a checkmark in my column that no one else can do. Because even, it's not even like undefeated seasons. Like, yeah, actually Tom did that too. Like, you know what I mean?

Like there's, when a bunch of, so that to me has created the laser focus. And I think that also, oddly, I think that his dad, who has kind of been in the rear view, in that rear view, but in the background from the media perspective, he obviously had his own issues. I think his dad is wildly important in that this is a pro athlete who has that athlete's mentality, who still not only does Patrick look up to him, but early in the year when Patrick was throwing a bunch of picks,

I know for a fact his dad hit him up and was like, buddy, your footwork, like clean it up. So you have someone who really has lived, in the spotlight as a pro athlete that keeps you accountable. You're chasing Tom, and you have the greatest offensive head coach in football history as a sounding board. That's how you can potentially create the greatest football career ever. You know, I was talking about the Luca, and I'll let you go after this. I said, you know, fans tend to think with the NBA.

They go, well, the league wants the Lakers to win. And I said, no, the reason Dallas made a move on Kyrie and Boston made a move last year, Those are big markets, and Golden State made a move on Butler, and the Lakers made a move on Luca, because in big cities, Miami is a great example on the Eastern Seaboard. Nobody's made more moves in the last 20 years than Miami. Because in big distracted markets, people stop going to games, and they stopped caring. I mean, Boston had Tatum, Marcus Martin, Jalen Brown, and people were like, dissatisfied. Patriots, they won almost every year. You have to make moves.

And so when the Lakers made the Luka move, it was funny listening to two Laker fans, I know. they're like, well, what's it matter? We can't defend the rim. If Luca goes almost anywhere else, you're like, we won the Powerball. And in LA it was like, yeah, we had Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Kareem, we need a big. And so when they made the move for a big that nobody watched outside of Duke, everybody suddenly like, you know, Mark Williams or something. Yeah, that's right. And I thought to myself, I thought LeBron and Luca would be fine.

But I do think by keeping Austin Reeves with Luca LeBron, and Rui's size and the Charlotte Center, I thought this morning they could get to the final. Well, listen, Luca owns Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City is great. Luke owns Oklahoma City. So that's a positive checkmark. I thought people underrated. I thought J. Mack had it right earlier this week when he said the best duos and had Luke and LeBron first.

LeBron at this point, his age is being used against him from a narrative standpoint when the Listen, I don't know how he's doing. He's four years old in the year 22. He's been one of the eight best players in the sport. He's had a great year. He's been unbelievable. People just have just assumed he's going to deteriorate in a way that he simply hasn't. Luca by himself is a chance at the finals.

We just saw it. And so I was like, those two guys, two smartest players in the league, I think that'll work. They did need some defense. And they needed some size. They got it. So I, not only do I agree with you, I think as far as moving the needle for a potential finals appearance, as crazy as it sounds, the Lakers adding Mark Williams is more important than the Warriors adding Jimmy Butler. Yeah, I agree. Because the Warriors path involves Steph being prime Steph. Steph this year has as many games scoring less than 15 as he does scoring 30.

Age appears to have hit Steph, oddly, earlier than it hit LeBron. So, Seth is still really good. But that team's not good enough to be a contender unless you have Apex Steph. I don't think that player exists anymore. And so then you have really good Jimmy Butler, really good Steph Curry, and pieces. Yeah, so Jimmy's obviously the bigger transaction. I think Mark Williams, if he's healthy, could have bigger impact. And if because Luke is there, you get a rested LeBron going into the playoffs,

man, that's good. I understand people love what the Rockets have built, and I do too. Is anyone really going to feel good about a 3-6 Rockets-Lakers matchup of the Rockets handling Luca Donchich and LeBron James in a seven-game series? I'm not.

Listen, the fact that the Lakers, if I would have told you, the Lakers are going to get Luca and a rim protector, and they'll keep Austin Reeves. Like, ever you know that Charlotte and Dallas asked about Austin Reeves. Yeah, of course.

The fact that they retained a first round pick that they could use it in the pursuit of Mark Williams. Like, Rob Polinka just got himself executive of the year. The fact that you, listen, that they gave up a first and a swap in the trade to get Mark Williams, and they gave up just a first in the trade to get Lucanacic is a bit of an indictment on what Nico Harrison was doing. But that's another discussion. Nick Wright, first things first, it's after us. It's across the street. I am not going to be responsible for Nick's evenings, only his afternoons.

That's true. Which I'll try to provide a good lead in for that, my friend. See you, buddy. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Kavino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we, How do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.

Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the five. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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J-Mac to wrap up our show with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd. line news. So some potentially good news for the Eagles, Colin. Remember Brandon Graham, the defensive end? Yep.

Been out since week 12 torn triceps. But he believes there's a chance he could play in the Super Bowl. Now he's still on IR has not officially been activated, but this would be a great get-back for the Eagles. We know that you want to pressure Mahomes. And on this fast surface, you got Nolan Smith coming off the edge, Josh Sweat. Maybe Bryce Huff, who they got from the Jets, actually shows up. He's been a ghost.

But Brandon Graham would be another great addition. You know, it's amazing. Jason, I was thinking about this. In a game with a regulated level of violence, these are really healthy teams. Yeah. I mean, it's over the course of the season, there's bumps and bruises,

but as the season has been extended by the league and potentially another game, is that what you do is you try to get healthy, Christmas on, these are fully staffed teams ready to go. I remember the Niners a few years ago in the Super Bowl were hanging the whole time they were winning,

dominating the Chiefs and then they ran out of gas, that gas rush. You get Brandon Graham back. That's a huge one. Let's move on to the NFL draft. You know we love a good mock draft here. Cowherd salivate over them. Probably going to go look at him in his hotel room after this. But Lance Zerline, who's been on the show, has released his first mock draft. Now listen, I liked Lance.

I like some of these picks, but he's got Ashton Genty at 7 to my Jets. That does not make sense. They don't need a running back. Cam Wardy has a number one. Interestingly, Abdul Carter, number two, to Cleveland, maybe thinking Miles Garrett is shipped, and then you bring in Abdul Carter. He has Seder Sanders dropping to your –

can I call him your Raiders? Well, I don't – I think the people I've talked to in the NFL consider Cam Ward to be a more dynamic athlete. Yeah. And if you're a bad team like Tennessee, what you're looking for is somebody that provides mobility, playmaking, to make up for your last. of firepower. So I think Cam Ward to Tennessee feels like, hey, he's going to be the guy that's going to,

he's going to elevate and, let's be honest, energize our locker room because we just didn't have enough offense last year. So whereas Chatur is a good B-plus candidate, but I think Chadour with the Raiders actually fits. That would be great. And he wants to go there. Now look at number eight, Carolina, Tyler Warren. I would love him on the Jets. We love Tyler Warren, the Penn State, tight end. He's a beast. How would he pair with Bryce Young, who we recently saw? So what's interesting, the player that is not here in the top 10, who I'm a huge fan of, is Mason Graham. He has him to the Niners, so sliding out of the top 10.

Let me say something. That would be the get of the draft to me. Well, your guy T-Mack, he has going to the Bengals, which would be really good. Okay, so I have talked to somebody who I trust implicitly about this draft. He believes Abdul Carter is the best player, and T-Mack is. the second best player. So if now now there is sometimes a reluctance to go wide receiver. Like I'll tell you, I think you and I agree. Travis Hunter worries me. Because I, you've got to pick a lane. And the, in college, it's one thing when you're the best athlete. You're not

going to be the best athlete in the NFL. So to me, Travis Hunter wanting to get offensive reps and be a corner, especially as a rookie, is problematic. Do you think that's going to rub the teams the wrong way if he says I want to do both? And they're like, eh, we don't know that's going to work. I just think if he gets burned on the defensive end a couple of times, people are going to say, I'd concentrate on corner, not wide receivers. Imagine having to tackle Derek Henry on third down.

And then now, three minutes later, you're catching passes and running rounds. I don't think that works. Final story, Colin, college football. Ohio State just won the Natty, and now they have Ryan Day locked up on a new seven-year deal, valued at $12.5 million in total annual compensation. He becomes

the second highest-paid head coach in college football behind Kirby Smart by, you know, a little bit. Brian Day obviously had an amazing season last year. He did lose Chip Kelly, his offensive coordinator. Day has reached a college football playoff in four of six seasons. I don't know. What do you think about this year? Well, seven years.

Well, he also lost his defensive coordinator to Penn State. Oh, that's right. So they have had, you know, not hemorrhage, but they have lost, obviously. they'll replenish their skill players. But listen, what you're finding in college football, Georgia found this out, and Alabama found it out. In the new NIL, people are going to take, they're going to come hard after your best players. So Alabama fell very quickly, from dominant to not really, to losing to Vandy. So I think Ohio State's an amazing football program, but they're going to find out what Georgia went through.

You're going to get your, you know, whether it's coaches, personnel, quarterbacks, What happens is you get very thin. This idea that Nick Saban in his prime could basically have Pro Bowl corners as his second and third best corner. That's the difficulty you face. And listen, Chip Kelly was never going to coach there forever. But one year is pretty quick. I thought it was going to be longer than that. I remember Ryan Day was like not hot seat, but man, you can't lose this game like two seasons ago.

And now he loses both coordinators and they give him this deal. Interesting year ahead for Ohio State, I will not be betting them to win the Natty next year. They are expected, by the way, to hire Brian Hartline, who's on their staff already. Highly regarded, former... Great recruiter. Yeah, no-nonsense recruiter as their OC, so we'll see how that works. J-Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Well, Matt Hasselbeck, Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez, a quarterback trifecta today. Now, J-MAC, just be careful about, you know, it gets a little dicey here in New Orleans. Don't forget the family back home. What time is cold time tomorrow? Do I need to make it an early night? Call time tomorrow is 7.45.

And you can show up 5, 10 minutes late. But they pour, the pores down here a little bigger than the pores in Manhattan Beach. A generous pour, as they like to say. Listen, go to bed, have some sour patch kids. Why don't you call it a night at 745? Don't get wild and sideways on us here. We need you tomorrow, pal. I got one more show here in the Big Easy.

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