The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The US Men's National Team

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Fox Sports soccer analyst Alexi Lalas joins the show to tell Colin what the US Men's National Team needs to do to get back on track after a 4th straight loss as they prepare for the 2026 World CupSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So the World Cup's a year away on U.S. soil. The gold cup starts this weekend. So I'm going to throw a theory at you is that as we have more play. You were the first American. You played in the Italian League. You went over, what was that, like 19? you went over and played in Italy. 80? What was it?

Previous century, let's just say. Previous century, the 1900s. Okay. So, here's my take on this. There's a slight pivot that Christian Pulisic and the top players are signaling. They're saying, listen, two things matter in soccer now. Our stars making money in Europe and the World Cup. And this stuff in between doesn't matter like it did years ago.

Now, when you or Landon Donovan were going over, we didn't have the number of players, but Pulisic's like I'm in A.C. Milan, second season, 50 grueling matches. I don't care about the Gold Cup. Could I just say that the world, and it's actually, it's because of our talent, that the world's changing, that the European money's number two, World Cup's number one, but maybe stuff like the Gold Cup won't matter as much anymore. You can say it. I don't know if it's necessarily true.

And if it is true, then it's a sad commentary on, well, I guess not how far we've come or how much we've regressed. Because, you know, I still look out and I see whether it's a Messi or a Cristiano Ronaldo. And I know they play in different, it's a different context in terms of where they play in the teams that they play for. And I try so hard calling not to grumpy old man this thing. But I cannot fathom or understand or relate to if and when you are called to represent your country, a country that I feel is the greatest country in the world, you saying no. I'm willing to give Christian Polisic some grace. If he needs rest, that's fine.

I will remind Christian and anybody else out there, last time I was 100 percent, I was 10 years old. I think the bigger problem is for Christian Polisic not to be here, this summer is that you got to read the room, dude. And I think this is a bad look for him, for his agent, and for U.S. soccer. Because, look, you know, I know we talk about politics every once in a while, and I love politics. And, you know, this is a situation where we've just come through an era where, at best you can call it, well, you know, some dramatic spinning. But at worst, it's gaslighting. I am not here to do either one of those things to you or to your

audience you deserve better and the truth is right now this is a team the u.s men's national team that is looked upon with criticism there is plenty of angst associated with it and i think what the worst part is that there is apathy associated to this team and so in this moment when you have a chance yes it's the gold cup to come in to represent this country and to kind of set the course in a much more positive type of way and create some momentum that you need by the way a year before a home World Cup? You say no? That's a bad look for him. How about this? Is that though we have a group of five or six elite players all overseas playing well, right? That our talent pool is not as deep as countries that we in the Netherlands. It could be it could be Colombia. It could be Spain.

We're not as deep as France or as Italy. Now I mean those countries like Germany too, they have rebuilding World Cups like they're not always at their peak. But our talent pool is pretty thin and Maricio Pocitino who loves younger players last night said I'm going to roll the dice with our young guys and last night he discovered that that that talent pool is just not there and so so last night was simply a wake-up call and it was it was something that he needed. How about that? I think you're a little bit letting Maricio Pocitino off the hook. You know, he has a pedigree when it comes to the club game but not the international game

and they are very, very different in terms of the time that you are able to spend with your team. He is being paid, rumored to be $6 million a year. And so he has been hired to get us to a point that we haven't been before. And look, this has been an abject failure, and certainly over the last couple of games. Ultimately, he will be judged by the World Cup. The Gold Cup, like I said, it's an opportunity now to make sure that we are headed in a better direction. But those two games that we just saw against Turkey A and against Switzerland, these are not elites of the world, but these are good teams. And obviously they've shown that in this form against this team, they were better.

J. Mack had said this. I always felt, and you as a defender, I always felt our stamp. We were closer to Italy than Argentina or Brazil. We were not that skilled. We had good goalkeeping. If we did beat international teams, it was low scoring. We could be physical. You yourself, Clint Dempsey.

We had a chip on our shoulder, but we were defense first. We knew we weren't Argentina. We knew we weren't Brazil or the Netherlands. We knew that. And so there was a certain style and skill level that dictated that. I think this is a more skilled group. And again, I think we should be more aggressive. I always felt when we played like England and Germany, we were playing for the last 15 minutes and see if we could come out one nothing.

We were just trying to keep it at bay defense. should we be more aggressive? And because that is Mauricio's history. He likes young players and he is aggressive. Do you, because JMAX said this during the break, he goes, what are we? Every good team in every sport is something. What are we right now with USA soccer? So we are representative of a country that is completely unique relative to almost all of the rest of the world.

Obviously, soccer is not king. But also, when you look at our diversity, that means incredible. diversity of thought in the way that people think about the game. And I, you know, I've talked about this, this fallacy that is the melting pot of a national team. We have players from all over, not just a country, but all over the world. And it's very difficult to get 11 players on the field all headed in the same direction in a country that thinks about the game in as a diverse way as we do. If I ask 100 American soccer people out there, what is the beautiful game? I'm going to get a hundred different answers. Now, that's not an excuse, but it is a reality. And so,

So Poitititino's job is to make sure if he's got to dumb it down, fine. But whatever it is, either you're on board or you aren't. And I cannot tell you the amount of people that have come up to me and said, you know what, I will take a less talented U.S. men's national team at this point, as long as they show some of that traditional spirit and fight, and they make us proud by what they're doing. You know, the Supreme Court tried to define obscenity many, many years ago. And they said, we can't do that, but we know it when we see it. American soccer fans, they know it when they see it, and they have yet to see it with this group.

And that is concerning a year out from the World Cup. Like I said, if you would ask me back in 1994, what we would look like on 2025, a year before the 2026 World Cup, the men's World Cup, returning to the U.S., this is not what I have envisioned back then. So we've got to get ourselves in order. We're on the field and to a certain extent off the field because this is coming down the pike. And it is coming fast. And it behooves us to make sure that this is a wonderful advertisement to the world in what we do on the field and what we do off the field. When Pulisic decided not to play. Now, I would defend him in that he's played 50 match seasons with A.C. Milan.

That's rigorous soccer. And he just said, man, I need a break here. I don't love it, but I get the explanation. Tyler Adams is truly hurt. That's fine. But did Pulisic send a message? Could I read into that? I'm not sure if he loves this new coach.

I always thought he and Burrhalter got along. I thought the players like Burrhalter. Now, G.O. Raina, we know about that situation. But is Polic sending a message to me that he doesn't necessarily love the guy that replaced Burrhalter? Or am I overstating just he's fatigued? No, I do think that he generally thinks that he is fatigued, and he generally thinks that this is going to help him.

But look, if the herd was in crisis, right, they came to you and said, listen, we don't know if we're going to continue on with this thing. You've got a week to prove to us that you deserve for us to continue on it. And you said, you know what, I got a vacation scheduled, so I'm just going to bring in whoever, but everybody else has to come in and work. That would look bad, and you would look bad in the process. And I would think if this really means something to you, that you would move heaven and earth to be there to try to set this right now does it mean that it's all going to go great no but at

least you are there in the trenches in the most important moment before this world cup helping this team so yeah i mean look i i i christian prolific is going to be fine he's a big boy all right he's going to take his licks right now publicly which which is which is fine may him he may hit back i don't know uh and i think he's going to be there next summer and maybe in a strange way this puts the burden, if you will, or the onus on Christian Polisic to bring it because he's rested and we are going to expect more. Fine, Christian, you got to take the summer of 2025 off. That means that when you come in the summer of 2026, you live up to the hype, which he has to be fair to him, but you are the best player on the field and you are a leader on and off

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if they didn't win it. Oh, no, I'm still expecting them to win it. I don't, I don't, this is still the goal cup. You can't have it both ways, okay? You can't, you can't tell me that the goal cup is a lesser tournament and it's, and when it comes to competition, and okay, relative to the World Cup, fine. But, but then when we get to the world, to this goal cup, even with the talent that we have, as poorly as they played in the last two games,

that you shouldn't expect them to, to win it. Are they the favorites? No, but I expect them to rise to the occasion. They hear everything that is being said right now, all right? And I hope they take it to heart, okay? And it's nothing, believe me, it's nothing compared to other teams around the world when they falter right now. So whether it's Maricio Pochititino and some of the heat that he's coming in for, or whether it's this group of players that are there or the group of players that aren't there,

I hope you hear it. And I hope you react. We shouldn't have to do that, but I hope that it does light a fire under their asses, and they bring it when it comes to the goal cup, and then obviously for the next year, and then that magic happens next summer. But they've got a long way to go. Alexei Lawless, cutting through as always, my friend. Maybe I'm just getting too worked up.

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J-Mack, both you guys are very, you're being positive, but I do think, I do think your assertion that what are we matters. And I do think this stuff, man. I think about the U.S. soccer like I do political parties. If you get the right leader, you can turn things around quickly. We've said this in the NFL. CJ Stroud to make go ryan's.

Oh, Houston's laughing stock to a playoff team. There are certain sports, baseball is not the case. You need armed. The season is so long in baseball. If you don't have two or three good arms, a closer, and the meteor batting order isn't productive, it can take you a long time. You need to hit on six, seven drafts.

picks. But I do believe when Pulisic plays and everybody's in the right mindset, like a political party. You get the right guy. A party can be lost. You get the right leader. Boom, you win elections. So I'm trying to be positive on this, but when you see what has happened over the last year, it's discouraging. Yeah, I've waffled on this whether or not identity matters. You know, you could say like, well, what's the Jets identity, Jason? I'll be like, bingo. We haven't had one for 15 years, we want to be a defense and then our defense can't stop anybody. Oh, I think I did. I mean, you name an NFL team and I'll tell you that I think identity is huge because I think in crisis, you know, I own, I own a company. I talk about this all the time.

What's our identity? What's the there there? What are we? And so my question, when people say, I think it's a very fair criticism. What is USA soccer today? And I don't think there's an identity. Do we want to be attacking? Do we want to be defensive? Do we want to play out of the back? There's so many. I think you. Let me pick an NFL team for you. Ready? Okay.

Atlanta Falcons. Don't have an identity. Not very good. New Orleans Saints. Don't have an identity. I mean, with Peyton and Drew Breeze, it was efficiency and IQ. They were one of the smartest offenses in the league. So an easier one.

Let's go with the Cincinnati Bengals. Offense first. Offensive passing, right? Yeah, that works. Let go NBA real quick. What are the New York Knicks? What's our identity? Villanova professionally.

Yeah. Wow. That's a real identity. That's an identity. And USA soccer just kind of sort of struggling with one right now. They just, they don't have, they got a new coach. Maybe there's a grace period. Even when you had the Josie Altador, Clint Dempsey teams, I always felt like we were physical

and we were feisty. We were limited. We didn't have great attackers. We weren't highly skilled, but we had great goal tending. We had tough Clint Dempsey. I always felt like we played above our skill. Yeah. We were a fight.

You know, Alexi Lalit, we played above our skill low. Everybody knew that nobody was afraid of us, but in the World Cup, you had to take us seriously because we would play above our skill level. I feel like this team, there's no identity. If you look to like South American nationals, Brazil, Argentina, Flair, amazing, fun soccer. You go to Europe, it's Spain with the skill, Germany with the skill, right? The teamwork, the passing. and the U.S. just kind of doesn't really...

Now, to be fair, you could argue Canada and Mexico, they don't have identities now either, and that's why our whole region is down, but they got a year to fix it before the World Cup. All right, JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

All right, Colin, we are a couple weeks away from the NBA draft, and everybody wants to know, is Yonah's going to get moved? Well, there's now skepticism on the other side of it, with an anonymous NBA executive saying Janice is not going anywhere this summer, adding that the Bucks still feel like they can win with him. Now, Janice did speak this week. He's in Brazil for something.

I saw he was like doing some pickup basketball and slipped on the court. Now, oh my gosh. He said, I'm rooting for good basketball in the finals. I hope to be back soon with the Bucks. So now there is skepticism that the Bucks will move Janus. And I will say they're not going to win anything because James Lillard's out next year. But, Colin, 50 years ago this month, the Bucks traded Jabbar. They had not won a title since trading him.

It took them forever. They get Janice. Do you kind of just say, we're not trading Janus? He's our best bet to be competitive, to contend. Things fall our way. Maybe we get back in the mix. Maybe you just say we're not trading. Well, I think there's something happening in the NBA,

vis-vis college basketball. The NIL is now, we just. saw this with that kid from Auburn you like. So two things are happening. The NIL, the American capitalism and exceptionalism is buying the best European players to come play college basketball. Okay? And that NIL money is keeping college players like Zach Edy in college another year. What does that mean? That college basketball, the overall quality over the last two years, Houston, Florida, Yukon is noticeably better. These are much better. teams. What does that mean?

Older players, more skill players, more mature players in college going forward. What does that mean? Do not give away draft picks. So my take is if you trade Yonis, if you had traded in, if you trade Yonis, the draft picks you will accumulate are much better draft picks than 10 years ago. The hit rate on draft picks 12 years ago was not very good. my take if you go look at this past this this NBA draft I mean you're there's about 12 guys that people think can be border I just read um uh Jonathan Giovanni I think is the name I'm sorry

but yeah Giovanni I mean I looked at his draft um profile he had about 10 to 12 players that people think can be all NBA all star or high end star That is a good draft. Hell Rutgers has two of them. They couldn't even make the tournament. So my take is if there was about a 20-year stretch where you could just give draft picks away, the number six pick was a non-player. I think going forward because of NIL's ability to keep pros in college another year and steal the best European 17, 18, 19-year-olds, I think that means draft picks mean more. So my take. is if you trade Janus and you get four picks, three of those could be much higher-end players

than a decade ago. So that's interesting because you could go like the – give me Jalen Brown from the Celtics instead of picks or give me Amen Thompson and picks. But you're saying you actually prefer picks going forward. Well, no. If I trade Janus, you've got to give me – like let's say I go to Houston. I get Shangoon. You've got to give me an All-Star.

Okay. Now, he is not Janus nor will he ever be. You've got to give me an All-Star. But if I go Chen Goon, and I don't want Jalen Green, I want three picks. Or I get a rotational player, a Max Christie-level player. So I get an All-Star, a lower-end all-star. I get a rotational guy, first guy off the bench and three picks. I think those three picks today, going forward are much better than three picks ten years ago.

That's my take on what's happening with NIL. It's fortifying college basketball. I like it. Let's move to the NFL where the Rams moved on from Cooper Cup and upgraded to Devante Adams. Devante has just barely been in LA for a minute, but he's already seeing a big difference in comparison to his previous stops. I feel like this is what I needed just based off the vibe and the aura of the building and everybody's in a good mood. It's not like a dark cloud over the building, and I've experienced that quite a bit over the last few years. So it's a glaring difference when you come in a building like this.

Wow. That signing got no big play. Devante Adams Puka Nakuwa Kiron Williams Matt Stafford, McVeigh this is a real offense This whole dark cloud business

You know he played for the Jets and Raiders recently Dark clouds But what's not true about that Just more You know kicking my jets while they're down It's been a long time You know I may have to you know like Lean back as Fat Joe said on the Jets here

going forward. They're not that exciting. Aaron Glenn, have you seen? He's giving no sound bites. They're trying to get rid of the dark cloud by just being quiet. The jets are saying nothing. Think about this. Almost boring. Think about this. The NFL generally over the last 20 years has a pretty small bottom. Now last year I thought there were seven right like unwatchable teams, but a pretty small bottom. The two most hopeless teams next year, arguably, are both New York teams, which is, for the record, is very encouraging for a league. Because if the two worst baseball teams with the Mets and the Yankees, it would hurt baseball. Or the two worst NBA teams with the Knicks and the Brooklyn Nets, it would hurt NBA. Who is more hopeless? Because I think now

Carolina has a coach they like, and I think Bryce Young played well at the end of the year. If I said on the hopeless meter, NFL hopeless meter, I think Jets and Giants are one and two. I don't know one and two. The Browns have to be in there. The Browns must be in. But the Browns have two. Remember, the Browns didn't reach on Jackson Dart. The Browns have two first-round picks.

So next year, if the Browns don't like what they have in the quarterback room, and they're going to be bad anyway. I'll make the argument that Cleveland could have the number one pick in the draft and won't have to give away one of their other first-round picks. Yeah, Browns, Giants, Jets. Also, say it again. Saint. Don't forget the Saints.

terrible. Okay, I think the Saints are the Saints, Jets, Giants are the three. I don't think, Cleveland's got the best pass rusher in football, a top five or six offensive coach, and two first round picks. And Shadur Sanders. By the way, did you see Shady McCoy

on the show before us wearing a Shadur jersey? I didn't know why he was doing that, and I texted him, hey, why are you wearing a Josh Gordon jersey? And he got so upset because I can't give him the props. Anyways, final story, Colin, is this is an interesting. Tuah and the Miami Dolphins. I mentioned them earlier as Mike Big Daniel in trouble.

Well, they were eight and nine last year, and Tua's entering his sixth season, says he's noticed a shift in the vibes in Miami. You know, I think there is a culture shift, and I know it, I mean, I feel it just as much as everyone that's been here since I've gotten into the league. We always hear about, man, yeah, oh, culture shift, you guys have a change of this,

you guys are doing this, always optimistic but I really do feel in my heart that this is a change of scenery for our guys in the locker room and then it also transitions to our coaches as well yeah I I don't I've never liked their culture and I don't I don't know what's shifting I still some here's where my problem with the Miami Dolphins is if you have two as a quarterback there's two things you have to have a good backup quarterback and an excellent O line that you could argue they're the weakest in the league. I mean, honestly, it's a bad O line, has been for years, and they don't have a good backup quarterback.

Like, if you have Josh Allen, you don't need the best offensive line in the league, and you don't need a great backup quarterback because he doesn't get hurt. So I question when I look at Miami, my take is, who is your quarterback? You don't have a capable backup, and you can't protect him. But hey, let's go spend money on Jalen Ramsey and another. Other fast receivers. Like, I think they're, I just don't trust upstairs for this organization. I don't trust the executive suite.

That's fair. I think I should be pointed out. So interestingly, Tua didn't sniff that Chris Sims top 10 list. I don't think he would sniff yours. However, our guy Warren Sharp, you know, was digging into some of the numbers. The last three years, some advanced stats. Tuas was a top five quarterback in many of them, Colin. Yards per attempt, success rate, completion percentage.

Colin, Tua is kind of sort of went healthy doing his job. He's directing the offense and playing kind of well. No, no, listen, this is the same system that got Brock Purdy paid. So this is a very productive system. I've always said Tua is Brock Pruy in Miami, smaller than you'd like, not any wow physical trait, but certainly comprehensive, hardworking, head down, cognitively bright. and it's a great system for quarterbacks. But I think Brock and Tua are weather influenced.

I wouldn't trust either with 20-mile-an-hour winds if it was cold. I wouldn't. But at least with San Francisco, there is a direction, and I can sense a plan. With Miami, it's like, guys, get your O line right. Who is your starting quarterback? You have to be good up front. And they're not, and haven't been for years. J-MAC with the news

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What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

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And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world. right now and I actually can win on any surface because if she's serving well good luck consider this your court side seat to the French Open listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the iHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts presented by capital one founding partner of iHeart women's sports Sunday Alex Palo looks to continue his legendary season with another victory as the fastest racers in the world head to St. Louis to duel it out under the arch in primetime.

The Indy car series continues Sunday at 8 p.m. Eastern on Fox. So we do this now on a daily basis because I do think it's noteworthy and significant. Once again, we have a Cleveland Brown's practice, first the OTAs and now mandatory mini-camp. Oh, let's look at today's June 11th, today's Brown's mini-camp. Joe Flacco was three of seven. Kenny Pickett, as always, 6 of 11.

Dylan Gabriel, when he could see over his offensive line, 9 of 16. And Shadur Sanders, 8 of 9. I mean, balls don't touch the ground. So Shadur through OTAs in minicamp, 77% completion percentage, nine touchdowns, one pick. don't know. And I'm the crazy person. When a quarterback has a college game,

first thing you look is, oh, does it translate to the NFL? Like when you watched Kyler Murray in college, you're like, that dude's elusive. And then you watch them in the NFL and you're like, oh, that dude's elusive. Like Johnny Manzell in college was elusive. But then you watched him in the NFL and you're like, oh, he's not elusive. He's not as good an athlete as we taught. or Tim Tebow, oh my, he runs around in college, he's elusive.

And then he got to the NFL and you're like, he looks like a tight end, he's not that elusive. Does your college skill translate to pro football? Like Caleb Williams, whoa, he has got an arm. And then you watch him in the NFL and you're like, yeah, even by NFL standards, Caleb Williams has an arm. Or you watch Jaden Daniels and you're like, God, he moves really well in college. He is fast. And then you watch him in the NFL and you're like, oh, Jaden Daniels is fast against NFL. So Shadoor Sanders, his primary strength was he's really accurate. The ball does not touch

the ground a lot. In the NFL, he is easily the Brown's most accurate quarterback. Now, is he holding the ball longer? Mary Kay Cabot, somebody I trust. I go, I'll read her stuff, driving home today. We'll see. By the way, his only interception, in fairness, came off a deflection. That's it. His intercept, you know, we've said this before. Not all interceptions are on the quarterback. So it was a deflection.

But it, J-Mack, it does feel like something, right? Like his primary strength. It doesn't. Oh, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. I mean, I don't mind doing this with you every single day, and it's kind of sort of fun.

Why are you so excited for should do it? Why have you planted your flag in the ground first? Chodor, San. Like, what's the deal here? Because I like to be right. And I do believe he was a mid to a lower first round pick or a high second. And I do think that Dion's Super Bowl media parade was incredibly damaging. I think having a draft room that said legendary was not great.

I think he was a bit defensive in the New York Giants' one-on-one interview with Dayball. there are a lot of reasons he fell but fifth round is below his talent level in my opinion. Let me ask you should Shadour at this stage in the game, go to his dad and tell him basically

dad I love you, you've done a lot for me, you've put me in a position to succeed, I need you to put a cork in it and anytime anybody asks you about my situation say nothing. Just do not answer it. I'm rooting for the Browns, let's go. Can you do that for me? Is it

fair for Shador to say that to his dad. He's 23 years old, basically a grown-ass man now. Well, Dian's going through some physical stuff right now, so I don't want any strong comments about that. We wish him well. I think dads would always feel guilt if they felt like they were an obstacle in their son's success. Now, that doesn't mean he will be an obstacle in Shador's success. It does mean Shadur's first contract is a paltry sum compared to what it could have been. I mean, just reverse it. Let's say Dion would have gone out during the Super Bowl week and said, listen, this kid, he'll go play anywhere. We are so excited.

Come on, Saints. Come on, Giants. Do I believe you would have been drafted in the fifth round? Absolutely not. There is no question. In fact, I heard this from somebody I trust in the league. You know, Dion's worked at the NFL network, and I think CBS, he's got media allies. I don't know him.

I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think he's interesting. I think he helped college football. But just reverse it. If Dion would have been positive and said positive things, there's no way Shadur drops to the fifth round. Because you can go to his college film. I watched him play 10, 12 times at Colorado.

He's not a fifth round quarterback. He's good. He moves way better than you think. He has escapability. He's tough. He got ragdolled for two years. He had no run game. And against really good teams, he was productive.

He was productive. He may have lost, but he was productive. So 77% completion percentage so far, nine TDs, one pick on a deflection. And Dylan Gabriel's still running with the starters. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but don't like what I see. Don't like what I hear. In Ohio.

See you tomorrow. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called,

Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob. Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive.

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