The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - The Western Conference Finals

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

More on the Eastern Conference Finals and thoughts on the big game 1 Western Conference game tonight between the Timberwolves and the Mavericks Tomorrow's headlines today   Guest: Chris BroussardSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hour number three on a Wednesday, Chris Broussar this hour. Tomorrow's headlines today from J. Mack, who's firing shots at me today. He didn't like that Tatum segment or I think I was very reasonable segment. If you base a quarterback on, I'll pay for a higher ceiling, I'm not paying for a lower floor. It's almost like, it's like Dax become like a high-yield savings account. I can get my three and a half percent. It's safe, but I'm not retiring early. Like there's certain things, I'm safe with my 401K.

There's certain places in my life. I'm not going to spend a lot of money on cars. I'm not, you know, but there are other places like if I go on vacation, yeah, I'm going to spend a lot. I want to get a lot. And I think quarterbacks all spend a lot, but I got to get a lot. I'm not interested in playing it safe at quarterback. I'm going to take big swings. Kind of how I look at a vacation.

We're going to go, Bora, Bora. It's going to be expensive. I'll make it up on the other end. And then there's other things, you know, a lot of stuff in my life that I'll just pay for average and I don't need to even close to the best. But I, you know, I'm not going to skimp on vacations or quarterbacks. But I'm paying for great. So Goff 53.

I don't have a problem with it. Where would you go for DAC? 50? Again, I got a guy that's gone to two NFC championships in a Super Bowl and a guy who has two playoff wins, and in seven playoff games he's been great in one that Tampa game. So then the problem becomes that. I think it's closer to this isn't going to happen,

but if we're sizing stuff up here, Goff never gets hurt. Goff's a better peer thrower. Goff's going to have the advantage of a great O-Lond. Yeah, I don't disagree with someone. I think Goff, I said this yesterday. Take out Mahomes and Josh Allen. If the four boxes to check for a quarterback are production, winning, health slash reliability,

you know, team success winning, health and reliability, and then leverage. After Mahomes and Allen, you get into a Jared Goff. I mean, because Burwin Lamar had been hurt. Herbert hasn't won. Jalen Hurts has one great. year. Dak just doesn't have December, January wins. I've no, January wins. What's the game plan? You don't want to pay him 50? Fine. If you don't want to pay him 47, fine. Then Dak says, I'm done here. Okay, then you move on. And Dak, I'll tell you right now. The Raiders would pay him 50 million.

Somebody will pay Dak. But then what do you do? Do you go with my guy Cooper Rush? Do you drive the quarterback? But here's my argument. What am I getting with Dak? No, no, we're past it. We're over, Dak. DAC is gone, right? You don't want to pay him. Go draft. So what is the future game plan? Jerry Jones, 80-something years old, wants to win, and now he's pressing the reset. I'm Jerry Jones.

I'm going to be Jared Jones. Well, if you take a look at what the DAC Prescott made off the field with endorsements, we can make offers here in Dallas locally, nationally, that the Jaguars quarterback wouldn't make. It's a free agent. How would you like to come to no state tax? the biggest brand in American sports. Measure class cut once, or was that Rossboro? The point being is Dallas is a very attractive spot.

Atlanta, a losing culture, got Kirk Cousins. You got to be kidding. I mean, Denver got Russell Will. You can make stuff happen. My point is, and that was a trade, my point is, Dallas is very attractive, no state tax, weaker NFC, always good players in Dallas. I mean, the Cowboys draft pretty well.

I guess we've got to see what quarterbacks are going to be free agents that you can entice with playing with a star on your helmet. You know, it's like, hey, you get to play for us. In my lifetime, in my entire lifetime, I grew up first with Roger Staubach. He was good. And then, and the order can get lost. I think it was Danny White. Danny White in the Aresden State. He was really good.

Solid. He was solid. Okay. Then it is Troy Aikman. He's an all-timer. Excellent. And then Bledsoe, there's a little transition, but then they end up with Tony Romo, B-plus, absolutely. Then they get back.

This is not an organization that struggled at quarterback. There are certain organizations, Green Bay usually gets it right. Dallas has mostly had good quarterback. But aren't all those guys homegrown? Like I'm pretty sure maybe Romo was an undrafted free agent. Have you heard of the draft? You can do that too. Yeah, okay, fine.

Good luck. Go fish in the draft where quarterback hit rate is. 40% out of the first round. I don't know. And Dallas is a pretty good drafting team. A pretty good drafting team. I can go from 11 wins, 11 wins, 11 wins.

Okay, but what am I getting? Again. You get 11 wins and a chance to contend in the NFC. You don't want 11 wins. You'd rather have 7 and... Here's what's funny. With Kirk Cousins, we just push back.

Can't pay Kirk. Dak and Kirk are virtually the exact same quarterback, exact same numbers down the line. You're disappointed in January, but they're good enough to get you into playoffs in the regular season. Again, I'll pay for the ceiling. Kyler Murray could drive me nuts.

Dude can flat ball. When I watch Jordan Love, I'm like, that kid can snap it. Like, that is special stuff. I'll make a mistake on the ceiling. I'm not overpaying on the floor. Again, I'll make a mistake. a mistake paying for a great vacation it rains the entire time we're there right like i i made a

mistake but my intentions were we go on one of these a year with the family we're going big we're skiing in whistler we're going to you know wherever turks and kakos i will eat it as a dad i'll go i paid for it i didn't check the weather the weather didn't work the airline stunk but i'm going to pay for great stuff you know for a lot of guys i'm not one of the a lot of people pay anything for a car transportation. If you live in Los Angeles and you're a salesperson, cars are really valuable. It's a car culture here. You pay what you're going to pay for a car.

You'd rather live in a nice apartment and have a great car than vice versa, because you're in your car all the time. So my take is you keep saying, what are the cowboys going to do if Dak Leaves? Well, what are they now? A disappointment every year at the end of the season. This isn't baseball. Who gives a rip about your stats? We don't romanticize regular seasons.

Mahomes is the greatest. He didn't have the greatest year last year. He hasn't even had the greatest Super Bowls, but he wins him. He wins him. So, again, a top-tier quarterback gets, you know, I mean, like Josh Allen. What am I getting with Josh Allen? One of the greatest quarterback talents of all time, not only do you win more than DAC in the postseason, but he gives you a chance to beat Mahomes and Burrough.

You put Dak on the field with Mahomes and a Burroughs and a Burroughs and a Stafford in a big game. It's like, I watch them against Jordan Love. I'm like, this isn't a fair fight. Well, wait a minute. Jimmy Garapolo and Brock Purdy went toe to toe with Mahomes and both nearly beat them, lost late overtime in fourth quarter. So let's not act like Dak can't compete with those quarterbacks. Come on.

It's being a little harsh. Boy, your standards are pretty low for the Dallas Cowboys when you can compete. That's like the Yankees saying, hey, we can compete with the Braves. By the way, you're a Portland northeast guy or northwest guy. Remember the Dame Lillard, T.J. McCollomier's. Those were nice every year. 45-50 wins. You loved it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I kept saying

they're duplicate players. Dames's the better version of it. You went to a conference finals. You were in the playoffs every year. You were playing in the playoffs every year. And I thought they made a mistake not moving off it. Well, they did move off both. And now they're winning 20 games. But the Blazers and they have a bunch of young talent. They got young talent. But Portland's

not, the Blazers are not the Cowboys. No state tax, middle of the country, biggest brand in the world. But when you've got something good rolling, you don't screw around with it. It feels like Dallas is really? That's interesting. This DAC breast type situation could blow up in their face.

Interesting. And then Jerry goes back to a relevance. Interesting. Alex Smith was a good thing going. Got him to the playoffs. Like Dak. By the way, Gough was a good thing going in L.A.

Garoppolo was a good thing. They had a plan. Each of those teams had a plan. What is Dallas's plan? Tell me, Jerry. Well, you think it's public? I'm not going to tell us. There's nobody on them.

Nobody's hitting the market this off season. Jordan Lov ain't going to hit the market? No, Jordan Lov's not. Somebody always hits the market. Dak could hit the market. Kyler Murray could hit the market. Is that even an upgrade? Kyler Murray?

I can give you a four, three-minute Kyler Murray YouTube, and you're like, oh, that's the ceiling? Highlights? I'm just telling you, the ceiling for Kyler? And that's been in a dysfunctional organization, one of the poorest owners. I think Jerry might have forgotten

what those. Lean years were like... He didn't have a lot of... From 2020 to, like, the Dak Prescott. Cowboys didn't have a lot of lean years. They had like 10 years. They haven't been to a conference championship game in like 25 years. Well, yeah, but you're talking lean.

Tony Romo was always viable. They were always a playoff team. He just fell apart. Fringe playoff. I don't know that they were always... Oh, playoffs, playoffs. I'm just saying, I guess my whole premise here is, I'll pay big money for the ceiling.

I'll send my kid the Princeton. And if he doesn't get a good education or they have protests that I think are wrong, but I'm taking the swing on education or vacation or avocation, quarterback. I'm taking a big swing on certain things. Paper towels, I'll get a discount. You know what I mean? My car, I'm not a car guy. I could do a used car, a lease.

You're asking me to pay for Bora Bora, and you're giving me Laughlin, Nevada. I'm not paying. That's brutal. Jack is Laughlin, Nevada? I can't even identify that on a map. Is that a real city or you just make that up? No, that's a little hard. Is that an area 51 or whatever?

No, that's not the wrong state, sorry. Yeah, the point is, if I'm going to pay for, you know, Paris, I want Paris, France, not Paris, Texas. You got to give me big if I'm paying big. You know, Jerry Jones always says this. He's a great line. And Jared Jones has a great line. Every time I've gotten a bargain, that's exactly what I get.

I regret not getting the best. You pay for a, but you think you get a bargain. That's exactly what you get, a bargain. That bargain bin at Blockbuster 25 years ago. They weren't giving away Silence of the Lambs, baby. Now, just remember. They weren't giving away Godfather. I was the one who said, I'm not paying DAC.

I would rather roll with Cooper Rush. You remember that? You openly blocked me. Huh? You remember that? I remember that take. I was one of the... I had to go upstairs to management and talk about your future.

Well, listen, I honestly, I like Cooper Rush. We saw him in Limited. Oh, come on. I'm not paying that, the top of the market to 50. I'm not doing that. But the alternative is very bleak if you don't pay him. It's not bleak. Okay.

They can go get Desmond Ritter. I don't know. No, I'm saying Dallas is a very, very attractive, place for quarterbacks to go. It's a young, the economy in Dallas right now is through the roof. It's exploding. It's a gorgeous stadium.

Supportive owner. No state tax. Massive brand. Weaker NFC. That's right. Dallas is a wildly attractive place to be a quarterback. Didn't Jerry say something like, oh, there's going to be off-season. We're not saving money. We're spending, and then

they did nothing. We're all the free agents who want to go to Dallas. Take a little less. Go to Dallas. It's a beautiful state. They didn't have any money. Take less. Ask them to take less. All right. Chris Broussard. Tomorrow's headlines both around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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and then I watched Pascal C. Akum get his way, and I thought, yeah, they need Porzzygis and size in this series. I looked at last night, and I'm like, thought they had it, then they lost it. Are you shocked that they should have basically lost that game to Indiana? I am surprised. Now, look, the Celtics have exactly. aspirated me for a long time because you just watch them and you feel like they should be so much better. I'm not fooled by the 64 wins.

If they were in the West, they wouldn't have had 64 wins. So they're playing in a weaker conference and they had a nice regular season. Congratulations. But they should be better. And they have five days off, Colin. Indiana had one day off coming off an emotional win in game seven in New York. the Celtics know we haven't protected home. We've lost a home game in each of the last two series this season.

We are 15 and 14 over the last three post seasons at home. Let's reestablish our home court advantage. You have all of that working for you, not to mention you're facing a very young team that has no idea what it is like to be in the Easter conference finals. And you should have lost? That is not good for the Celtics. Look, I still think they would.

win the series just based on their talent and then being a better, more experienced team. But they obviously should have lost that game last night. But for a few mistakes by Indiana at the end of the game, they'd be down 0-1. Yeah, I think maybe Indiana is better than we think, and Boston's not as good as we think. I agree. Yeah, I think that's probably a big part of it. You know, I got to give Dallas credit. they took a big swing on Kyrie, bumpy early, now it's great.

They took two big swings at the trade deadline, and now they have rim protection. So they match up with Minnesota just fine. And they do have the best closers in that series, arguably. I'm going to take Minnesota, but I'm probably giving them too much credit for beating Denver. You know, it's recent bias, recency bias. A lot of people like Dallas, where are you on this series? I'm with Minnesota. I'm saying Minnesota in six.

I wouldn't be shocked if it goes seven. And about Dallas, what I felt coming into this series was, or this round, let's say, if they had met Denver, I would not have given them hardly any chance. I don't think they could have beaten Denver. But I do give them a shot against Minnesota just because Minnesota is not as experienced. Their main guy is younger. and unlike had they played Denver, I think Dallas has the best player in the series in Luca Donchish.

Look, the thing about Dallas, and one reason I like Minnesota in the series is that Dallas, Oklahoma City's defense, which is very good, gave Dallas some trouble, okay? Minnesota's defense is not only better than OKCs, but it's bigger than OKCs.

Like, okayZ's problem is they don't have, any size and they still were able to give Dallas a lot of trouble. Now Minnesota's got not only great perimeter defenders and defense, but also size. And I think that'll be a big deal. But look, anytime you've got Luca, like I said, the best player in the series and Kyrie, Kyrie's going to have to step up. Now, I think he played a nice floor game for really throughout that series against Oklahoma City. But his scoring wasn't there. I don't think PJ Washington is going to give you 19 points a game. Because Minnesota, unlike OKC,

a lot of times they'll be at the Gar-Luca 1-1. They won't have to double and trap and all that. So that'll take away PJ Washington and all those open threes that he was getting in the last round. So they're going to need Kyrie to be Kyrie. Now, maybe Colin in the last series, was he pacing himself? Yeah.

Saying, okay, I'm going to pace myself. I've had health problems, obviously, throughout his career. So let me just pace myself as long as we can win this series and then go full board in the conference finals. We'll see. But I like Minnesota, as you said. So JJ Reddick to the Lakers, my take, it's late in the process. Anybody you get with LeBron at this point in his career, you know, the great guy, Spolstra, Kerr, Popovich, Tibbs, they're not interested in that job, right? So the top guys aren't.

and a second tier guys you know your Billy Donovan's Tailu maybe first tier but your second tier guys there's six or seven of those guys the young guy at OKC Chris Finch those guys who are just a notch below the legends well they don't want the job they have good jobs

Jason Kid now qualifies as a very good coach and now you're left with like the third tier guys which is a long time assistant that's never been a coach or a smart guy that was recently a player J.J. Reddick, that's what you're left with. And some of that is the Lakers don't pay big money for coaches, and LeBron runs through them.

So when people bristle at JJ Redick, I'm like, well, you're not getting the legends. You're not going to get the Chris Finch group as very good. This is what you're left with. So let's not go crazy on it. Could Reddick be the best of the third group? But a lot of people who are really bristling at this. How do you feel about Redick potentially as a coach of the Lakers? Well, look, of the three names that are being mentioned, and there are a few more, Micah Norrie and, you know, some of the assistants that are being thrown out there.

But really, Sam Casale, James Berega, and J.J. Reddick. I like Cassell best. Okay. As you remember, he was a leader as a player. Yep. He was a very good player. Even though he never made an all-star team, he was clearly an all-star caliber player. And the players respect him, both current players and former players. And so I would give, and he's a lot of, and he's a lot-star. paid his dues, I think, 15 years as an assistant under some top coaches. So I like Cassell, but JJ, look, the Pat Riley talk, who knows, Colin, this is completely an art. It is not a science. Who would have said Steve Nash, who we know how great he was as not only a player, but intelligent as a player, and you've got the buy-in of your stars, Kyrie and Kevin Durant, who would have said he's going to fail miserably.

You never would have thought that. Okay, so this, you just don't, I've heard of many guys who were great assistants and people thought they'd be the next hot thing and they fell flat on their face as head coaches. So you don't know. But for Redick, he obviously is intelligent about the game, knows the game, and he's, to his credit,

he's gone on to the other network, and he's done a great job of explaining the game and debating the game. You know, he, nobody can say, wow, he doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about. He does. He also, Colin, has a strong personality, it appears. Yeah. And that's what he's going to need.

So, look, if they want to give it a try, fine. But one thing, Colin, a lot of guys, you look at the guys that were just pretty good players, role players who have become legendary coaches, Steve Kerr, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson. they generally coached kind of a generation of players after their playing days. So they weren't coaching anybody that remembers how mediocre they were. You know, they weren't coaching guys that remember. I used to dunk on you.

We hunted you on defense, dude. Now you jumping on me for not playing defense? Like, they're going to be dudes that remember. We used to destroy you, JJ Reddick, on the other end of the floor. So what are you telling me stuff for? Steve Kerr was like 12 years after his playing career and, you know, Phil Jackson was in his 40s when he started coach. So I'm just saying somewhat tongue and cheek, but it could be a factor. I mean, Jason Kidd was only one year removed from playing, but he was Jason Kidd.

He was a Hall of Fame or you had to respect him. So look, I don't, I'm not going to be excited about the hire if they hire him. And you've heard players say, Colin, Eudonis Haslam and some other players say, or former players, there are going to be players in that Lakers locker room that think, oh, is LeBron coaching the team now? Rightly or wrongly? Because I personally don't think LeBron is directing this. I don't think he's that involved with this.

But that is the perception. And so are some players on the Lakers going to feel like, is this coming from the coach or is it coming from LeBron? So that could be a problem too. Yeah, no, you and I agree. I think LeBron hears the chatter about he's controlling it. and I think, you know, LeBron has made it clear. Listen, if you give me a choice, I'd take Ty Lou,

but I'm not putting my legacy on this because I got one contract left, and you and I agree on that. Chris Broussard, Patrick Mahomes on this, try to get a word in edgewise with Nick Wright on that one. Good luck on that. Right. All right, buddy.

You write about that. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Jay Mack, you said, what's the ideal coaching job? And for years and years, it was, ooh, if I could get a star. But you've got to get the right star. Because a lot of guys in this league will just get you fired.

Steph Curry and Duncan are the right star. LeBron's reputation now is you're going to get your run. And so I've said this. I've been told this by people in the league. NBA head coach is the worst great job in America. whereas in the NFL, unless you're just incompetent or completely over your skis or have a crazy town owner, generally everybody's sort of all in. You know, NFL owners don't, unlike the NBA, they don't like that dead cap coach money.

They don't want to pay that stuff. They're more bottom line in the NFL and owners have more power. But, you know, if I ranked coaching jobs in the league right now, Malone, in Denver's got a great job. Finch in Minnesota. And part of it is they have stars who are amenable to change and they're coaching. And some of these old guys,

Steph may be easy to coach, but some of these guys get older, they don't have the rings, they're hearing it in their ear about you're not getting it done. Like, OK, C, I don't see any ego. From the coach, from the players, that's a good job.

That is a good job. Well, aren't they too young to have ego? can't be pushing back when you're like 24 years old. You know? Do you think Draymond's easy to coach? Yeah, I do. He has occasional dust-ups. Occasional dusts.

You never have to inspire him to show up at practice, be focused. He's not, you know, he comes to practice. He comes to play when he's healthy. That's my thing. Just don't be indifferent. I can literally teach anything if I was a great basketball coach. I'm not, right? But if I could.

What I can't fix. is indifferent. Somebody once told me this about Jay Cutler, and they're like, eh, he kind of likes the game. Jay kind of likes the game. His attitude's not great. You can't fix that.

You can't fix snippy or snarky or indifferent. You can change footwork. People bang on Drake May's footwork. I can fix footwork. What I can't change is he's not a worker. Yeah, like this show, you and I, people know at this point. We just like getting up here talking about sports. sports. Like, it's fun. When we hang out, we just talk about sports a lot.

We do. It's fun. We love it. So some people enjoy the process and the grind. Others don't. That's fine. Yeah. But you, I mean, it's, it's a hard lead coach. It's a hard lead. I mean, I think Tyloo's great. Look at what he has to deal with. He didn't know of Kauai at 345 as he's driving to the arena. That's fair. But he also gets four Hall of Famers when he shows up when they show up when they were actually playing. Exactly. When they show up. J. Mack with a news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with the Atlanta Falcons.

A lot of hype for your boys. They got Kurt Cousins and Michael Pennix. They also brought in Rahim Morris, the head coach. Many believe he's completely changed the culture of the team, something he wants to clarify. Yeah. Culture here is really, really, really well put together by top-down from ownership, you know, because I'm not changing what we do when it comes to ideas.

is and innovating and people first mentality and some of those type of things so I'm not going to do that but we are adding to it I want to bring a different vibe into this room I want to bring a different vibe into our team I want to bring a different vibe into how we view our football team I would never say Arthur Smith culture was was bad you know it was for me it was his style his his his technique and the way you want to do things and now it was just us changing what we want to do I think I'm just going to guess this that Rahim Morris is a little bit more of a people person and it And when I hear Rahim Morris talk, it sounds like Sean McVeigh.

It's that it's about the vibe and the community and culture. Whereas with Arthur Smith, I thought sometimes he was sort of aloof, not always connectable, relatable. I don't know him, no people who do. But he was a little at times above it all. I didn't feel there was a great connection. I don't know. Rahim, some of these coaches, they're really good. ones create a culture, and I think he can do it. I really do. And I think he, there's a reason he

and McVeigh got really close. When I hear Rahim talk now, it's like he went to the school of McVe is that he, smart people don't always think they're the smartest guy in the room. They walk in, they listen, they watch, they learn. Rahim sounds like he's taking some of that McVeigh juice with him, which I think is great for Atlanta. I think Atlanta's going to be a pretty good football team. Rahim Morris was nice. He said Arthur Smith wasn't bad, right? I know. He was terrible last year. He was atrocious. The play calling, the running back disparity.

Yeah, that part I didn't like it all. Yeah. And to your point of aloofness, I'm just going to state a fact. I'm not taking shots at the guy. His father is the founder of FedEx. Okay, Arthur Smith is worth a ton of money. Just putting it out there. Well, what's that? I don't know.

You think he's displaying the same aloofness that you said, or is he have the grinder work ethic? Well, I'm sure he works. If he's born on third base. I'm sure he. Well, I'm sure you can be born on third base and still work hard. You can? It's harder. It's hard to find people who are in that situation.

In the back of a BMW going to school as a kid. It's probably a little harder. BMW or Benz or? Whatever rich people drive. Not taking shots at Smith. He was bad last year as a coach. We know that. That's why he got run.

And he decided to pick Desmond Ritter. Anyways, over to the NBA. Celtics had that thrilling victory. I guess you can call it a victory over the Pacers in game. Indiana blew the game. Boston Miss Porzingis'is' presence and Pascal Seaccom, Torchstrom had 24, 12, and 7. You did.

Porzingis apparently is going to return for Game 4. That's the latest. Game 4 would be sometime this weekend. Colin, Porzegas is going to change the series materially? Or do they say, hey, you know what? We won the first two, let's not force Porzengas. We're going to need them for the finals. Well, Boston's going to lose a game in Indiana.

If last night is a sense of what the series is, Boston's losing a game in Indiana. And that is the, okay, my take is Boston wins the next game by nine to ten points. Their favorite by nine in game two. I think Boston will play with much more urgency. But they have a hole on this team, and it was exhibited last night. They picked on Al Horford. They went after Al Horford. And it was very obvious that Brad Stevens saw the hole and went and got Porzingus,

who had a very good year in Washington. He also went and got Drew Holiday in case Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown were in a funk. last night Drew Holiday had his best game as a Celtic offensively. So Brad Stevens really, he saw the issues and addressed them, and one of the issues can't be solved now because Porzingas isn't out there. And between Miles Turner and Siakum, there's real length. Indiana's got some size. Well, you could try two other things.

Number one, you could try Tatum at the five. Go ultimate small ball. You know, he's not Draymond Green, lengthwise or size. Tatum at the five, Jalen Brown at the fort. Like, go ahead, screen. Who are you going to try to pick on? You're not getting by Tatum. you see him lock up Halliburton on the final play of this game.

Halliburton could barely get a shot off. And the other one is the pre-switch, which you see a lot now, is where the point guard will call for the switch, and as he's coming up, Horford will switch with another teammate, so he goes up instead, and you don't get the matchup you want. The Mavericks are great at that. You'll see that tonight. But I'm not going to freak out over one game.

I still think Boston in five or six, and I do think they win game, too, like you said, I would not push Porzingis with the Kansas. We've seen calf injuries. They're tricky. Yeah, you don't want to mess around that. Final story, Colin. The NBA announced their all defensive teams yesterday. Yes.

Victor Wembeñama became the first rookie in NBA history to make the first team all defense. He's now the sixth rookie to make an all defensive team joining some decent players like Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manute Bowl, Hakeem Elijah One, and Jabbar. Wembenyama's rookie season was tremendous. It was. And I thought he got jobbed in defensive player of the year. I think it should have been. I thought Anthony Davis got jobbed.

You thought Wemby got jobbed. Listen, I'm not sure who they're going to get for him, but I think you and I feel like Wemby or Ant, by the end of next year will be the face of the league. I mean, listen, if Anthony Davis wins the title this year and he's the MVP, he's the face of the league. He got win the title. And he would be finals MVP.

They're not giving it to Towns or Gobert. But Wembenyama is. So we do have headlines coming up And there's a spicy name I have for you with Wemba Jama I haven't heard anywhere, haven't seen anywhere Perhaps you'll like it But yes, get Wembaughamah help as soon as possible And they got to get Wembe into the playoffs

Like Caitlin Clark needs to get into the WNBA playoffs They got to get WMB in the playoffs Because he doesn't look like any other player on the planet Yeah, you're not missing Wemba Nama playoff game And by the way, he only does like 28, 29 minutes in the regular season In the playoffs, he can be playing 40. Do you know what his stats are going to be like in 40 minutes?

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A little fighting, little scrapping last week in NASCAR. You see that? Was that a sucker punch or no? Not really a sucker punch. It was a little... I guess I don't know where a sucker punch is. is. I just think we live in a society where you talk to people. You don't just all of a sudden punch him when you're angry. Well, in NASCAR, you get in the pits down there. It gets all hot.

We're in those suits. Kyle Bush gets in a lot of those scraps. All right. Well, we got some conference finals, final four teams in the NBA, former newspaper man who used to create clicks and headlines now. He's moved to the TV world, nonchalant, big money, free coffee. We call it tomorrow's headlines today. Boston up one. no, barely, Celtics Pacers, what's your

headline going forward? Yeah, Colin. I'm not going to be one of these overreact guys. Everybody, oh, Celtics in deep trouble.

Get Porzingis back. The headline will be. Jay Walker's, Tatum and Brown outpaced, Indiana. Listen,

I'm not going to get up here and Cape up for Tatum. I don't need to do that. I'll do that tomorrow. 36 and 12 for Tatum. Brown hits the clutch shot in the corner

to force overtime. Boston's going to be fine. Colin, just remember. Al Horford played 40 minutes. He was picked on mercilessly. They were hunting Horford in the fourth quarter. It got bad and ugly.

And I will just say, Boston started the postseason five and one against the spread. Remember, they're blowing out the heat. Porzingis gets hurt. They haven't been as dominant without him. But let's remember, Drew Holliday is the third best player in the series. I think the Celtics are fine. Like you said, game two easily cover the spread. No concerns about the Celtics.

They're going to another finals. And then what can we say about Jason? Tatum, two final trips in three years. Not that good. Tomorrow's headlines today. I told him he's Kyler. Murray got a little chip on his shoulder. Mab's T. Wolves

starts tonight Western Conference finals. Now, I don't think you've made an official pick. You could do it. I think I like, I got to tell you, I think it's a long, close series. I think I like Minnesota, but not as much conviction. I've read a lot of articles on the athletic.

it's going to be a close, it's going to be a great series. It feels like a lot of people like Minnesota. They just took down the defending chance on the road. And it just feels like, but they, you know, I'm going to take, but they looked five games into that series. They looked doomed and they pulled out. Well, they look great after two, terrible after five. And then they come back and win, especially with the 20-point comeback in game seven. My pick, the headline will be Dallas Spresso.

That's grinding T-Wolves down to powder. Luca there with the selling coffee. Listen, Anthony Edwards is only 22. Colin, I looked this up. He's at 22 career playoff games. That's nothing. Luca has that in a postseason if they go to the finals. This Minnesota team is just a little bit too young.

Listen, I know they looked impressive against Denver. It looked to me like Denver wore down. That's not going to be the case. And my biggest point in this year is that I haven't really seen talked about. Minnesota was built to compete with Denver by the same guys who built Denver. They knew we need three bodies to rotate on Yokic. Guess what? Dallas doesn't do a center, and he's not like the focal point.

Lively's awesome inside for boards and blocks, but they don't go through their center. So is Nas Reid all of a sudden not going to play much? Or is Gober going to be played off the floor? What do you do with Carlisade Towns? Who does he even defend? I just think there's a much tougher matchup for Minnesota defense. I know they're the best defense in the league. I think it's a great point.

They were built to beat Denver, and they did. They're not built to beat Dallas. You've got much greater challenges. McDaniel's an excellent defender, all defensive team guy. He'll go against Luca. Anthony Edwards wants Kyrie. Be careful what you wish for. Okay, this ain't Jamal Murray.

Kyrie will destroy you off the dribble. I got the maps. All right. Big movement potentially in the off season. Tomorrow's headlines today. Let's start in Cleveland. What's the headline for Donovan Mitchell next evening? All right.

So it would be more fun to have him go somewhere else. Everybody's going to be boring. He stays. Maybe he stays. How about this one? The headline. Will be hard apple spider. Spurs get new legs after sleeping off season.

How about that? Donovan Mitchell to San Antonio with Wembenyama. So everybody said Trey Young, but remember there was a report. They're not really keen on Trey Young. What if Donovan Mitchell says, you know, I had a lot of success in Utah with a rim-protecting center in Rudy Gobert. But Gobert, what, didn't do everything. Well, he wasn't much of an offensive threat. Now you get Wombinjama. Wembenyama and Donovan-Mitchell, if you're the Spurs,

hey, everyone on our roster is available and a bunch of draft picks. You pair Mitchell and Wembe, they're a playoff team in the West next year. Yes. For sure. Wembe Nama will be making the leap. I just think that is as spicy as it gets, because they're not going to get Paul George to go to San Antonio. He's just not.

No, I think this is a really interesting take. That's a really good. And I also think Donovan Mitchell recently, well, there was a leak that he was, his teammates were young and distracted. like Wemby sleeps and plays basketball. Sleeps and plays basketball. Like that kid is Uber-focused. And you know, you just think about Donovan Mitchell.

I know going West, you don't love that because the West is stacked, but you're playing with Wambayama, who is a superstar. And they don't have too much else. They have two picks in the top 10. If they can flip those to Cleveland, and let's be real, Donovan Mitchell, who you want to play with? Like Evan Mobley and Jared Allen and whoever's left? Or Victor Wembeiyama.

I think if Mitchell calls his shot, San Antonio makes sense. All right. Stand in the East, the Knicks. Very good in the playoffs without Julius Randall who is hurt. What's the headline for Julius Randall next season? Love Randall, but he's the biggest trade chip the Knicks have. The headline for Julius Randall will be Julius Childs. OKC adds new cook to the kitchen.

How about that? OKC needs toughness and rebounding. You could go center, but it centers kind of doesn't really work with the five-out offense that OKC likes. Julius Randall can make threes. He's like a good interior place. He works his butt off. He's good hard. ball in the post and Julius Randall can get you a bucket.

He can do the dirty work so Chet Holmgren doesn't have to. That's good interesting point. And Julius is not going to cost OKC that much. You don't want to disrupt too much of the young chemistry, right? SGA, they love. You probably wouldn't have to give up Wallace. You get to keep Lue Doris. Would you keep Ludo?

I think you could keep Ludo. You give up the other Jalen Williams and some future picks. And you don't disrupt the chemistry because Randall's not a give me the ball black hole type of guy. I think it works. OKC is probably one guy away, Colin, from knocking on the door at the NBA finals. Like they took the Mavs hard to six. No, no, they're good.

I think O'KC's close. Julius Randall would make sense. You're coming up with some beauties here. This is what I do. Tomorrow's headlines today. A lot of names floating around with the Lakers' next coach, floating.

What say you? Yeah, well, I guess they probably can't pry Pat Riley from the Miami Heat, but maybe they could get the next Pat Riley. The headline will be. Dr. JJ, L.A. Senior demands new Reddick care. I can't believe they did LeBron like that. Sorry, sorry King James.

But it's starting to feel like a formality. Yeah, it does. NBA finals are not until June. J.J. Reddick will be announcing the NBA finals. I don't think you can say, we're naming Redick next week the head coach, and he doesn't announce the finals, right? I think my guess is the Lakers, the longer this plays out, it's pretty clearly Reddick.

And they'll get him right after the finals when he's done announcing the games for ABC. I don't hate the move. I have some major questions for LeBron. He's going to have to have a good staff because Redick has never coached anywhere. I think the staff is really important in this hire. You know, again,

I mean, a lot of these guys, Steve Kerr put together a great staff. Boston this year, upgraded staffs. That matters. Yeah, Rachel Nichols had a good point that when Riley went from the announcing booth to coaching. He was a Laker announcer. Assistant coach. Yeah, yeah. Laker announcer.

He knew their personnel up and down. Yeah, I mean, I don't think Reddick's going to get pushback in the locker room. No. He's LeBron's guy. I mean, I think all coaches, good God, Spolstra got pushback from LeBron in Miami, and Kerr got pushback from KD. All coaches get pushed back. I mean, Pop got it from Kauai.

So I think you just have to build in, you're going to get pushback. Basketball culture, you're going to get pushback, even from the good guys. Yeah, it's weird how Reddick's rise has been, like astronomical, right? I mean, it felt like he was playing like three years ago. And now he's announcing the NBA finals and he's going to coach the Lakers. Somebody out there loves JJ Redick, and it seems like it's LeBron. Well, I would say this.

Ty Lou was probably the best choice. Steve Ballmer's like, you're not touching him with my new arena. So, you know, like I said earlier, you're not getting one of the five guys. Like you're Kerr, your Ty Lou, your pop, your Spolstra. Then there's this next group of guys that are highly respected, the Chris Finch level guy, Malone, where they're not quite in that legendary class yet, maybe Tyloos in that second class, not the first, whatever, but you're not getting those guys. So, because Balmer's not letting you have Ty Lou. And so then you get to the third layer of guys, and it's mostly assistants who

have never been head coaches or who your stars like. And I don't think there's a perfect choice. Reddick is a star. I mean, he's got brand name appeal for the Lakers. How about this? Outside the box name, I haven't seen it mentioned. This guy was an announcer. He was a famous coach. He was an announcer. He got jettisoned by ABC. Jeff Van Gundy. He's a little older. Did you see that story today? I couldn't believe it. That Van Gundy was always very critical of NBA officials and the NBA leaned on ESPN and that's why they blew up that broadcasting booth. Which was an unbelievable. Breen Van Gundy and Mark Jackson, I thought were great. Oh, they were sensational. Listen, Van Gundy went, I guess he wanted the Milwaukee job that went to

Doc Rivers. He kind of wanted that. So now he's like an assistant, I believe in Boston. Super bright guy. Listen, Jeff Van Gundy knows basketball. He walks in to the Laker locker room and gets respect instantly. I'm surprised his name's not even been mentioned. That's a real story. NBA is like, that guy rips our league.

Bounce him. I couldn't figure out why they blew up that broadcasting group. Didn't make sense. At all. And it's like, oh, the riddle is solved. Bummer. All right, we will, J-MAC is here tomorrow. Holmes. Patrick. Next. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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