The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Thoughts on Cooper Flagg

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

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Starting point is 00:02:37 I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd on a Friday. I think the 90s were awesome. I do. I do. I think the 90s were awesome. And it's weird because when we're in the 90s, there's a lot of us are like, weren't the 80s better? You know, and I'm watching last night as Alabama beats BYU.
Starting point is 00:03:21 And I do understand, by the way, that statistically, if you look, you could find very little fault with how BYU played. right if you're just waking up or you're watching major league baseball or you went to a baseball game last night you didn't watch the nca tournament let me tell you what b yu did okay so b yu uh 46% from the field 80 from 80 from the line and they got to the line 20 times they only turned it over 11 times now they were six of 30 from three point range which is 20% that's that's not good enough okay uh they had 13 offensive rebounds, which is outstanding. So they actually took one less
Starting point is 00:04:12 free throw, but six more shots. Six more shots. Alabama took 66 shots. BYU took 72. Alabama was 35 of 66.
Starting point is 00:04:29 That's a better percentage on fewer shots. They made 35 field goals. BYU made 33 field goals. Bama was 18 of 21 from the line. BYU was 16 of 20 from the line. So with just those as raw stats, you would go, oh, okay, you made 18 free throws, that's two more points. You made 35 field goals. That's four more points.
Starting point is 00:04:53 It was a close game. Alabama beat BYU 1.13 to 88. Let me repeat. They beat Alabama. Alabama beat BYU despite having more turnovers and taking only, uh, one. one more free throw, making two more free throws, making two more field goals, they beat them 1-13-88, and it wasn't that close. And obviously, if you like three-point shots,
Starting point is 00:05:31 Nate Oates, who, you know, a little more than a decade ago was a high school coach at Romulus High School in Detroit, Michigan. Then went on to be an assistant with Bobby Hurley at Buffalo after joining Danny Hurley at Rhode Island. And then he took over at Buffalo. Now he's at Alabama, and they went to the Final Four last year, and they looked like a Final Four team. They looked like no one's beating them last night. And Mark Sears, who's the fifth year senior, Mark Sears, who started his career.
Starting point is 00:06:03 He's from Alabama from Muscle Shoals. He went to Ohio U his first two years. And again, this is why the mid-majors don't feel like they can compete. Because Mark Sears probably wasn't good not to play to Alabama early on. Goes and plays and remains confident. I guess that's a big thing, right? you go to the right level, you can play right away, you maintain your confidence.
Starting point is 00:06:21 He's 10 of 16 from 3 point range. Amazing. Amazing. And they end up winning 1138. But I just, I find it really interesting that even though I love growing up in the 90s. Like I do. Like,
Starting point is 00:06:38 I have nothing bad to say about my childhood. But I can tell you that it's way more efficient to have a cell phone or have a smartphone where you don't have to have a computer. computer, or even those old Nokia phones. Or remember when you had a pay phone? Like, you want to talk about inefficient? We were, I took my son last week, after doing the herd.
Starting point is 00:07:03 You guys know this. I took my son to Six Flags Magic Mountain. This is his birthday. It's kind of our yearly tradition. And we were getting ready to go on stream. Stream, by the way, underrated of the roller coasters. It's kind of right in the front of the park. It's blue and red.
Starting point is 00:07:17 And it's not as highly touted as some others, but stream is an outstanding. Ralecoaster. Outstanding. Anyway, we're in line, and it says, you know, that you have to place your beepers and cell phones and jewelry into some little box so that you don't lose it on stream. And my son turns to me, and he says, what is a beeper? I was like, well, or maybe it said Pager. Well, what's a Pager? I was like, what's a beeper?
Starting point is 00:07:44 What's a beeper? And I was like, oh, my God, you have no idea. So what a beeper is, and there's lots of people that are not in their head. How do you not know what a beeper? Like, what was 16 years old? Like, I understand it blew off people's in the Middle East because if you know about that IDF story, he's really a defense force story and what they did with Hezbollah a couple months ago. It's pretty amazing.
Starting point is 00:08:10 But even then you had to explain what a beeper was or a pager is. So in order for someone to get a hold of you, and it started really with doctorate. yes, and drug dealers, if you watch the wire, you could page somebody and then you would page them with a number to call them back. Then you'd have to go find a pay phone and either find coins for that payphone or call, collect, where they'd either have to say, you have a call from, Doug Gottlieb, or have a call from, hey, 714-768-2020, call me back, right? at which time they would then have to
Starting point is 00:08:49 call it, listen to, pick it up, listen, and then call you back unless they got it on their answer machine. Now, we just call you. Or in the most efficient way to get somebody to call them back at the most appropriate time is you text somebody, call me when you have a chance, right?
Starting point is 00:09:11 The point is that I love my childhood, but we become way more efficient with our time. Isn't that the thing that that COVID showed us. Yes, people are going back to work, and it is important to have the human interaction, but a lot of these jobs we can do from home. And if you do it from home,
Starting point is 00:09:33 are there some things that you lack? Sure, but you know what you don't have? You don't have traffic. You just sit down at your desk, and you open up your laptop, and you can still face-to-face. You just press Zoom, which we didn't even know existed before COVID,
Starting point is 00:09:47 or whatever other teams, whatever other device. The point is that not all efficiency is perfect and you do need some sort of kind of human warmth and human touch and human interaction. In fact, no question.
Starting point is 00:10:03 And that's not an all or nothing thing. You don't just shoot layups, free throws, or threes. But mostly, why? Because you're trying to be more efficient. You're trying to be more efficient. in no world, in no other place, are we trying to become less efficient?
Starting point is 00:10:28 Is there? Can anyone think of a job be like, hey, let's be less efficient than, I mean, you're going to go fly on a plane. What do you do? You have the app? You know, you download the app. You type of the thing. You get a boarding pass.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Otherwise, you got to go to check in. And then if you get your bag, then you got to go over to the bag drop thing. Then they put the sticker on it. Then they go get the bag. Then you get to print it off ticket. And then you go through, or you can just print out your boarding pass. By the way, clear is awesome. I should get some NIL for a clear.
Starting point is 00:10:59 Go through clear, never check a bag, right to your app, right to the plane, get on and go. You know? I mean, look, I don't know if it's more or less expensive to use an app-based ride. But the only difference between it and a taxi is you press the button. You don't have to tell them the address. You don't have to tell them anything. You just walk, get in your car, and go. And everyone I know, don't you time it out?
Starting point is 00:11:29 When I land at home, I got my Uber waiting there just like I'm some big baller with a car service. And then as I'm on my way home, I usually use like a DoorDash or Uber eats or whatever. So I have food waiting for me as soon as I get home. Why? It's all about efficiency. I don't want to cook and clean. It's not just the work. It's like it's such an inefficient thing.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Time is money. Let's save time. Let's use more time to check in on people we care about or to sleep or to take care of yourself. I don't understand why people fight the efficiency of sport. And I guess it's because we yearn for the older stuff. It makes our time feel more relevant. even how you buy records. There was a place called The Warehouse.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Shout out to the warehouse on Chapman Avenue. Album would come out, and a lot of times you would go and get a single. And then if you remember, again, this is child of the 90s, but I think it started in the late 80s. You had the high-speed dubbing. High-speed dubbing. So you take a cassette tape, and then you... If you wanted to stop after each song, you had to start and stop. Or you just kind of record it, make your own mixtape.
Starting point is 00:12:57 You fast forward until the spot, and then you'd high-speed dub. So it would be faster. Why was it high-speed dub? Because it was more efficient. And then we went from cassette tapes to CDs. Right? And now that once we got to the real reason that we had, you know, that Apple music became so big is you didn't have to buy a whole album. He didn't have to buy a whole album.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Right? Just download the same. song you want. Preview the other songs. You don't like it? Don't download it. Pay one beat. It's all inefficiency. And yet Alabama takes 53. It's like, oh, this is just what basketball has become. And you mean more efficient? You mean smarter? Not harder? You do know it's actually easier to rebound when you have five guys outside the three point line. Don't you? That's what people don't really understand. If you post up, it's a less sufficient shot. right and when you shoot the ball in the post if it's not a surefire layup you're shooting the ball over an extended hand and then in order to get the rebound you have to go through that same guy's body whereas if you're spread outside five guys outside the three point line and the shot goes up you can be line for the basket and get offensive rebounds because it's really hard when your man is in the lane to box you out when you got a five-step running start apparently baseball especially basketball and football
Starting point is 00:14:40 are the only three things in life that people want to be less efficient. No, no, no. Mid-range shots. Where are the post-ups? Go back and watch those games. The players were great, and they played to a role that was established. I have no doubt in my mind, okay, that Larry Bird would be right in any conversation of the greatest three-point shooter of all time, just like Steph Curry,
Starting point is 00:15:08 had it been encouraged back in the day. How do I know that? Because when he had to, when they had the three-point shooting contest, he won, and it wasn't that hard. And he is a better ten times the rebounder of Dirt Novitsky and ever bit the score inside of Nicola Yokic. He was amazing. But that's not how the sport was played. But we found ways to work smarter, not harder in all aspects of life. And yet, people in basketball, people in baseball, people in football want it done the old way.
Starting point is 00:15:38 That's dumb. That's dumb. it's it's honestly not unlike i heard bill marr say this right we want manufacturing jobs back in the united states who's going to do that right robots will do it not human beings because human beings go to school now to be more efficient to develop apps to develop things that are that are are digitally based. Works smarter, not harder. Yet for some reason we have this loving,
Starting point is 00:16:19 enjoyable view of our childhood like it was better. Do you know why we established these rules in the NBA where you can't hand check? Because it was awful to watch. It was terrible. But it's like we want to bite off our hand to spite our face and tell people it's wrong. When last night, I can't think of one moment
Starting point is 00:16:48 where I thought Alabama, hey, why don't you guys stop shooting the reason and start shooting mid-range shots. Doug Gottlieb in for calling. This is The Hurt. Wait to you hear what Mick Cronin said yesterday in regards to recap it for you and react to it next in The Hurt.
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Starting point is 00:20:24 Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. Doug Gottlie, been for calling. This is the heard. Fox Sports Radio, IHeartRadio app. I was listening to Colin yesterday. We had it on in the office, and he had Mick Cronin on. And obviously, Mick, who has been incredibly successful,
Starting point is 00:20:44 you go from Murray State. and, you know, then as he's kind of climbed in his career to Cincinnati, it covered his teams in Cincinnati in the NCAA, and now to UCLA. I thought this was interesting that he said he was talking about the NCAA and Cinderella's. This was McRohn on it. Oh, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:21:13 This is Cronin on Cooper Flagg. What if Cooper Flagg could play three years of college? And he was coming into the NBA then. Then people would be saying, is this guy Larry Bird? You know how good you have to be? Like, look, none of those guys were ready. I mean, when Miniamah wasn't ready to make a team.
Starting point is 00:21:30 You can't go make a team win when you're 18, 19 years old. You just can't do it. Can't get into the hotel bar. Give him 100 and some college games. Then let him go to the NBA. But those days, you know, then it's Magic Johnson. It's, you know, it's Larry Bird. It's whatever.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I mean, he's that good, guys. Yeah, no, he's incredible. I think in some ways NIL has saved college basketball and in some ways people say it's the transfer portal. It's not the transfer portal. Okay, that's,
Starting point is 00:22:02 it's a very easy one. And again, maybe I'm maybe I'm one of those guys that's like correcting you and it doesn't need to be corrected. The transfer portal is nothing more than you put yourself in. The old school days,
Starting point is 00:22:14 you used to have to go in to see your coach. You could do it by going to see, in compliance. But you're supposed to go to see your coach, say, hey, coach, I want to transfer. The coach had to release you. If they didn't want to release you, which is weird, because you don't want to be there. But if they didn't release you, which is very, very rare, you could still ask compliance or athletic director appeal to the NCAA.
Starting point is 00:22:36 But usually you go in, you ask to be released, and you can sign anywhere. Anywhere. Except for in conference. That used to be the rule. And if you're in conference, you had to sit two years. whereas if you sat out of conference, you had to sit a year. The only exceptions to that were if you graduated on, if you graduated and you still had eligibility and the school you went to
Starting point is 00:23:02 didn't have a certain major, you could find that major elsewhere. In other words, grad students got to transfer. And I actually have no problem with that rule. If you've been somewhere for long enough to get a college degree, like that's the whole point of this thing. You want to go to grad school? Fine. You should be able to leave.
Starting point is 00:23:22 But what's hurt college sports is not the transfer portal. It's that you don't have to sit out a year. The free and clear I can go different school, different year, whatever, what holds me back from transferring? And let me destroy a little bit of a narrative that is such a false narrative. Since Jay Billis has pretty much ruined college sports with his ideas of paying athletes, no repercussions for transfers, let's also tell you that he's ruined a narrative and made it something that is absolutely positively.
Starting point is 00:23:58 He's done what social media does to so many problems. And I actually like and respect Jay, but he's been on this trail, marching down this trail for 20 years. And congrats, Jay, you've done it. Okay. I don't think it was with the intent of making Duke into a superpower, but that's what ended up happening.
Starting point is 00:24:21 This is end up happening. And if his thing is, hey, you know what? I've done is I've created all this wealth for players. Yeah. But the reality is most of these guys, even there's, I don't know how many, maybe 75 to, nah, probably more, probably 300 high earners, well into six figure earners in college basketball. But some reason they've gotten these agents are getting 20%. And it's created an artificial market where,
Starting point is 00:24:58 when they get done with college, then what? If you get done with college and you've played five years and your last couple years, you make a whole bunch of money. And then you try and go and play overseas where they don't really value young players and you have to earn it. You're going to go from, say you made $500,000. And then you go and play ProB in Italy. Or you go and play second division in Spain.
Starting point is 00:25:24 You might crack $100,000. You go from playing college basketball and make a lot of, making $500,000 and now is saying like, hey, your first job is a true professional, you'll make a buck 25, which is a damn good job, especially maybe A2 in Italy. And your salary can go up. You just, like, why would I make less money? Because that's how real world works, bud. But one of the narratives is college coaches are constantly leaving. They're in the transfer portal.
Starting point is 00:25:54 The transfer portal for coaches never, never closes, right? okay cool in the in the ACC in the ACC hey Florida State's coach retired
Starting point is 00:26:15 NC State's coach was fired Miami's coach retired none of those coaches left their current job that I'm just I just want to make sure here I got it right with, yeah, nobody left their current job. Okay, so that's one of the five biggest conferences.
Starting point is 00:26:37 In the Big 12, in the Big 12, none of those coaches, Utah, they fired their coach before the season was over. West Virginia's coach did leave and went to Indiana, a job that was open because the Indiana head coach was retiring. So I've just gone through two conferences. And basically, and again, the Big 12, was Big 12, 16 teams? Something like that. If there are four major conferences or five major conferences, you're talking about five or so of the coaches moving places from one to another during an offseason.
Starting point is 00:27:22 And most times, most times, most times, it's because somebody was fired. And most times it's like Richard Petino, who joined a earlier, he was in Mexico for four years. Entire college basketball rosters are wiped out. In my league, he's got him, Andy Tool, and he's a friend of mine.
Starting point is 00:27:45 They finished with the third worst record in the league two years ago. Last year they built up, and they won the Horizon League, and they won the Horizon League tournament. And his top four players have already gotten to the portal. Congratulations, I'm building up a juggernaut. They're all gone. Now you've got to go do it again. It's such a bull crap
Starting point is 00:28:04 narrative that coaches just leave. By the way, when coach leaves, there's a buyout. The seat I occupy. The reason it became open late in the middle of May when the portal had been open for two months and had already been, you know, purged was because Sundance Wix is from Wyoming and Jeff Linder, who was going to be under pressure and probably his last year, he's gone and he's an amazing offensive coach at Texas Tech, part of that team that just won last night. and my school, even though he's like, well, heck, he was only there for a year and they're all bitter.
Starting point is 00:28:39 No, they're not. It was a $700,000 buyout. They help balance our books. If you want to start having $700,000 buyouts for coaches, for players, by all means, you can move. Schools at our level would be more than happy to have huge buyouts. Why not? You want to move? Should be a buyout.
Starting point is 00:29:03 By the way, that's what happens in the world. real world. If Greg Tooey is our esteemed producer, Greg, you know this, you've been in the radio business. I've left places. If you leave, you have a non-compete. Sure.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Right? When I left one place and went to another, I had a non-compete. When I left, that was my first one, I left ESPN to go to CBS Sports Radio, I went non-compete. And when I left CBS to come to Fox, CBS, because I left with still some time left on my contract,
Starting point is 00:29:38 Fox wanted me to come in and and do things during the NCAA tournament, do Colin showed like now during the NCAA term, which I've done every year since. And CBS is like, no, no. You can leave. We're not going to stop you. We're not going to force you. By the way, media contracts, I don't know how many people know this.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Media contracts, totally one side. Any place I've left, if they wanted to, they don't execute it, but if they wanted to, they can match any contract offer and you're still under contract with them and they could execute a non-compete for a year or two years. You physically can't work anywhere else. Now they have to pay you at the rate commensurate with whatever you're offered otherwise. It's you can't make them into employees.
Starting point is 00:30:30 There's so many reasons why. The biggest reason, the most obvious reason that nobody talks about is college sports operates under a tax-free umbrella. And it saves hundreds of thousands of dollars. at our level and millions upon millions of dollars otherwise. The second they become employees, every benefit they get, every benefit is taxed. In addition to the fact that now a sudden they become state employees and there's a there's all these different processes in terms of being, being an employee.
Starting point is 00:31:03 When the idea is like, hey, let's, how about we get kids a chance to get a great education to play sports and yeah, get a little bit of money in their pocket? Why not? Nobody's ever been against that. what they've been against is what's happening now, where school after school, year after year, new, whole new team. Yeah, does it look bad when a coach goes from Drake to West Virginia for a year
Starting point is 00:31:29 and then goes to Indiana? Sure. But I think there was a $2.6 million buyout for West Virginia, which will pay for their new head coach for, this year. That's what contracts have. They have buyouts. In addition to which, it happens a handful of times. Whereas,
Starting point is 00:31:54 you're talking about a thousand already and likely to be two or three thousand kids in the transfer portal. And there's other parts to it which aren't great. And look, there's success stories. The year before I got here, All Horizon League
Starting point is 00:32:10 player, gets big money last year kid named Noah Reynolds to go to T.C. you and good for him. My best player, Anthony Roy, if he doesn't choose to go to the NBA draft because of it, because he was injured and they only played 11 games after leading the country and scoring, he'll make a crazy money else. That's great.
Starting point is 00:32:31 That's awesome. Those things you should have. But just all the movement to movement, it's not the transfer portal. It's the transfer rule that you don't have to sit out of here. So then when you have your fifth and sixth and seventh school, how are we ever going to have an alumni game ever again? Who will you ever call on when you need a job for your basketball family? Ever.
Starting point is 00:32:54 What connection do you have with the university? Let's get to Greg Toey with the news. This is the Heard Line News. All right, Dugger. So last time we finally got our first OT game in the tournament with Texas Tech rallying past Arkansas. Swee 16 continues tonight. Ole Miss, Michigan State kick us off in the south
Starting point is 00:33:23 Kentucky, Tennessee in the Midwest Follow about a nightcap Michigan versus number one seat Auburn in the south as well And then Purdue and Houston Are we feeling more chalk tonight? Are we feeling a little chalky still?
Starting point is 00:33:42 These games? I mean I've told you I've mostly been chalk I was all chalked last night and I was three and one not because I cared about the line. Yet, I do think Tennessee beats Kentucky. I think Purdue beats
Starting point is 00:34:00 Houston. I do think Houston beats Purdue. Auburn. Michigan is big and strong, but I don't love their guard play per se, and I think Auburn on some level will speed them up. The only one that I kind of like is, I kind of like Ole Miss.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Interesting. Michigan State. Chris Beard, huh? You're a big Chris Beard fan. I am a Chris Big Chris. He's a friend, and I think he's an incredible coach. I also, I love their point card. He goes to, he went to, Sean Padula went to Edmund, Edmund North.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Sean Padula is a stud. He was at Virginia Tech. He's so good, man. And, like, look, if you're going to be white kid with a headband, you better be a hooper in the tournament. I love that. He's an absolute hooper in the tournament. He's played two tournament games. and been very good, very good in both of them.
Starting point is 00:34:56 I want to see Rick Barnes get back to the Final Four. He'd have, hey, biggest thing, biggest knock on him has always been. He can't win these big games in the tournament. Well, these can't score. They can't score. And this team can't score. Interesting against Kentucky. Now, when he has gotten to the Final Four, he has made deep runs.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Generally, it's when he has, DJ Augustine, T.J. Ford, took him to the Final Four. it's when he has quality point guard play, quality point card play, and Sakai Ziegler is a quality point card. So it wouldn't stun me. Definitely. Have the Dodgers officially become the new Evil Empire in baseball? Obviously, everybody's been mad at the Dodgers for the last couple of years, how they put their team together.
Starting point is 00:35:39 That's no surprise. Who's everybody? Well, I think it's more of like a, I think it's a media thing. I think it's a opposing fan thing. I think they just feel like they're taking all the cake for themselves But this week Dodger's CEO
Starting point is 00:35:58 Stan Kasten told Bob Nightingell at USA Today He said We keep hearing people call us the evil empire If we win the next five years in a row Go ahead, you can call us that But we're a long way for us to be called evil Let alone an empire We're proud of what we accomplished
Starting point is 00:36:11 But there's still a lot left to accomplish So call us evil, call us the favorite But we're good for our fans that love us And we're good for the fans that hate us my thing is, I mean, are the Dodgers really villains? Because they have, all their stars are likable. Otani, Freddie Freeman, Lukie Betts, Wolf Smith. I think their ability to, I think their ability to move Shohei Otani's money to be deferred.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Just being smarter than everybody else. Does that make you evil if you're smarter, though? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they have a lot of money to spend a lot of money. I think it's good for the sport. You want to have somebody to, now, do I think it makes it super competitive? No, but if you want to be more, now they do have the tax system, you know? So it's like anything else.
Starting point is 00:37:09 They found loopholes, and they're willing to pay whatever there is in tax. So for that part, that everybody's pockets get filled when the Dodgers are good. I agree. I agree. And I just think, I think this whole, like, Dodgers versus the field. thing. I think it's a great storyline to follow throughout the year. And let's be honest, if they don't win the World Series this year, how are we going to look at them? Like it was a massive failure?
Starting point is 00:37:32 Like their season was a failure if they don't win the World Series? I think that's how we all look at it. Yeah, I mean, I guess. Yeah, I mean, I think it'll be looked that way. I don't think that's the case. You know, again, we don't know. It's a lot like Matt Holiday when he joined us. He's like, well, are they going to stay healthy?
Starting point is 00:37:49 You know, what happened? And it's baseball. Things go bump in the night. But, yeah, I mean, they're the, definitely the odds on favorite. They won it last year. But remember, they had to have an incredible last two games
Starting point is 00:38:01 against the Padres where it looked like they were dead to rides against the Padres. Right. So baseball is quirky enough
Starting point is 00:38:07 to where, you know, there's a lot greater chance that somebody else wins it than they do. That's the news. Well, that's the news.
Starting point is 00:38:15 And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. All right, coming up next in the herd. Man, I love this. A little best for last. Best for Last.
Starting point is 00:38:30 The call of the Bulls comeback is our best for last. Why? You'll hear it next. In The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's Steve Kavino. And I'm Rich Davis.
Starting point is 00:38:50 And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and, of course, the I Heart Radio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world? We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together,
Starting point is 00:39:18 I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe the most interactive show on Planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino & Rich live on Fox Sports Radio on the IHeart Radio app from 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
Starting point is 00:39:36 And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich, wherever you get your podcast and, of course, on social media. That's Cabino and Rich. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?
Starting point is 00:39:55 Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast for people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,
Starting point is 00:40:32 Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumored me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funny.
Starting point is 00:40:56 This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis,
Starting point is 00:41:19 and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Genshin won. I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay.
Starting point is 00:41:42 Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your courtside seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source. the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions,
Starting point is 00:42:26 the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaders to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context,
Starting point is 00:42:38 and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, Follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Doug Gottlieman for Colin, it's the Hurd, Fox Sports Radio, IHart Radio app. We'll talk a little about tonight's games, NCAA tournament in a second. It's a Friday. It's the end of the show. I got something safe for you. I think you're going to like it. It is, not everything is better than it used to be. More efficient, maybe.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Not, not better. It's what brings us to best for last. It's almost the end of the show But that doesn't mean we're phoning it in Nope, we grind to the very last segment It's time for best for last Okay Last night
Starting point is 00:43:31 The Chicago Bulls had an amazing comeback, right? With 12 seconds to go They're down five points to hit a three Where LeBron stunningly leaves his man open in the corner Then he takes the imbounds pass And almost like Isaiah Thomas Against the Celtics
Starting point is 00:43:47 When DJ steals the ball He passed the bird right um but the the lakers did get the ball back and austin reeves does get a layup in what should have won the game for them but then this happened for the bulls there's reeves straight to the cup plays it in to take the lead oh stacey king uh is the is the color analyst in the call which brings us to our best for last oh sorry you already had the best for last my bad um okay so here's what i i thought okay that line the Elizabeth I'm coming for you that comes from Sanford and Son doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:44:55 Oh this is a big one you're that Elizabeth I'm coming to join you honey right and every time something crazy would happen on Sanford and Sun that's what red that was red foxes like go-to line and maybe this is what's missing most from TV shows again way more efficient now if we want to watch watch a show, you know, anything from, you know, landman to, I mean, you, you pick, you pick the show, right? You pick the show. Succession. You can binge watch them.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Right. You can binge watch them. You can watch them whenever you want. You can download it on your iPad. You can watch it on your, you can watch it in your car. Doesn't even matter. But we, we don't have is these go-to lines, right? Like, you remember, uh, you know, um, you know, you know, um, you can watch it.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Oh, what was that different strokes, right? What you're talking about, Willis? Or you had JJ from Good Times. When JJ's... Dynamite! Yeah, that was his line. Dynamite! Dynamite!
Starting point is 00:46:04 Do you remember when you... With friends, not friends, cheers. When Norm would walk in. How many? I mean, Tui, and Ryan, this is like our childhood. This is what this is. And everyone would have a line. That was like their go-to line that they would always have.
Starting point is 00:46:29 You had, my dad was a big Archie Bunker fan, right, all in the family. And he used to call his son-in-law, that's actually Rob Reiner, Meathead all the time. Yep. Do you have any, any, what was your favorite show or your family show that the line that, that the one actor would always have? Well, my wife's a big Seinfeld fan, so the Kramer entrance on Seinfeld was always the big thing. Sure. Sure. Which actually felt like sort of a wink, wink, wink, nod, right?
Starting point is 00:46:59 To, I think the most famous, like one line and one word was Alfred Fonsarelli, the Fons. When he would say, hey. Hey. Hey. A. A. Ryan, are you going to sit there and tell us how bad 70s and 80s sitcom television was and how corny all this stuff was? No, I actually liked all in the family.
Starting point is 00:47:25 It was actually pretty funny. Oh, my God. It's hysterical. Hysterical. So good. Sanford and Son was an all-time or two. I mean, really a show. But Stacey King, who,
Starting point is 00:47:39 Oklahoma first round pick of the Bulls part of that Bulls first championship team with Michael Jordan like that's a quality pull it's a dated reference don't get me wrong like Tui did you know that reference I didn't when you told me this morning I did not I did not hear I did not get it put two and two together Ryan did you know it
Starting point is 00:47:58 yes I did yeah and I would say that's about that's about the ratio right if you're like 40 or over or somewhere on that 40 or over I would say it's probably in the 25% get that reference.
Starting point is 00:48:16 If you're under 40, it's a very, very small percentage. Even though that show is still probably on on TV land or Nick at night or whatever, like that's just, that's a,
Starting point is 00:48:26 I mean, even references for, you mentioned, cheers, I mean, that's, that was like my family's show. You know,
Starting point is 00:48:38 you'd have Cosby's show and then a different world and then you would have cheers that was Thursday night TV that was so good was first was it wasn't it a Cosby show then Family Ties then Cheers was Family Ties a different night I don't remember but I do remember that most
Starting point is 00:48:54 of the comedic actors you know whoever the jokester was in whatever would always have one kind of go-to line and when I heard Stacey King break that thing out but
Starting point is 00:49:10 are we done with the LeBron and Stephen A thing. Like, is it ended yet? Because Stephen A was like, what was it? 17 minutes uninterrupted on first take yesterday. Have we moved on yet? I just, I understand that in terms of replies, right? LeBron won.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I don't understand what his reasoning was because I felt like he appeared very small, despite his immense amount of success. He doesn't need to engage. I mean, I think Stephen A did that so LeBron would respond to him again. He wants this thing to keep going. Yeah, except for LeBron got up and confronted him during an NBA game, you know, during an NBA game. Like, this is crazy.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I just, you know, and his thing is, well, he made it personal. Well, it's impossible not to make it personal when it's about your son that people don't think should have been drafted where he's drafted. And the idea he had him out there, you know, first game of the year, throwing him in the game just for a PR thing. And, you know, full disclosure, you know, he has had one good shooting game in the NBA. And he had a great game statistically. I didn't watch the game statistically in the G League his last time out. He's clearly improving and getting better. But I don't think anything Stephen A said was below board.
Starting point is 00:50:43 or was personal, again, if, as LeBron said, hey, I'm okay with talking basketball, talking whatever. So I just don't know why it matters to him. I don't. Well, like you said, when you were, I think it was a couple weeks ago when you were filling in, you said once he went pro,
Starting point is 00:51:03 basically the gloves are off. His fair game for anybody to basically praise, critique, whatever. Even when he say the gloves are off, it's not like nobody's beating, like, I'm not on social media. I'm not beating up on him. Yeah, no, no, no. I'm just like, look, dude, he barely played last year.
Starting point is 00:51:17 He should have played and had his confidence. Now, he's getting his confidence. The other part to it is, I think he had 39 in the G league. Yeah. What's crazy about that is, like, he never had 30 in a high school game, ever. I had 30 in a high school game. I don't think you ever had 30 in an AAU game once he was in high school. And the point is, you're like, why does that matter?
Starting point is 00:51:39 Scoring is not everything? I agree. And it's one of the reasons that I always thought that if he ever got a shot, he would have a shot because his only chance to really make in the NBA is as a role player. But an NBA player generally, unless you're a super late bloomer and you grow late, whatever, usually there's a couple of games in high school where you're like, that's what an NBA, especially if you're McDonald's All-American, like, that's what it looks like. And that wasn't him.
Starting point is 00:52:03 And that's fair critique. But I guess because it's about his son, I get it. I get a son who plays. Nobody likes it. It feels personal, but it should be fair game. Have a great weekend. Enjoy the second half of the Sweet 16. This is The Hurd.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. Nice.
Starting point is 00:52:29 We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or we're wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk
Starting point is 00:52:58 to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
Starting point is 00:53:34 embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.
Starting point is 00:53:58 That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlic on the IHeart radio app,
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