The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Tom Pelissero

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

NFL reporter Tom Pelissero joins the show to tell JMac what Shedeur's chances are to make the roster and what if the Colt are concerned about Anthony Richardson's latest shoulder injurySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Again, Tom, with some of the greatest hair on television. Listen, you don't want to overreact to OTAs. It's June, but when Shadur doesn't get first-team reps, all of a sudden is, whoa, wait a minute, they don't like him. What are we supposed to make of it? You cover the league. You know everything. Start with this, Jason.

He's a fifth round pick. He's Shador Sanders, but he's a fifth round pick. And if you went around the league for the, I mean, let's just, you know, equated to the 23 years that I've been covering the league, you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of occasions where a fifth round pick as a rookie was getting first team reps. There have been guys drafted in that similar area who eventually have gotten opportunities. Sam Howell toward the end of his rookie year was won.

And it's a pretty decent, you know, case study comparison to a Shadur Sanders, a guy who was rumored as a first second round pick who ended up sliding down to the fifth. He ended up getting his opportunity in year two, but in year one, he was a backup. Then throwing the fact that you've got Dylan Gabriel there, who clearly the Browns had rated higher on their board than Sodor

Sanders, plus a guy they traded for in Kenny Pickett, plus a guy they've gone to the playoffs with in Joe Flacco, and that's without even mentioning to Sean Watson, who in all likelihood is not going to be available to them in 2025, but he's continuing to rehab here. It just makes logical sense. Now, having said that,

A lot of times when you're going through the spring and the way the team structure their off-season programs, you're installing everything, right? You're a process of OTAs and mini-camp. It's a lot of install. And there's some review as you get into mini-camp week. Then you come all the way back to training camp and you do it again. So they're exposing him to a lot of different types of things here. They're exposing all the quarterbacks to different things. They're seeing how they react.

I've said this consistently, Jason. I think that's the important thing to remember. Let's see how the reps are divided those four. first two to three weeks of training camp and then up to and the, you know, the week beyond the first preseason game. That's going to give you a much clearer picture of exactly where things stand. Is it going to be the chalk starter, which you have to say is Joe Flacco, again, based upon the experience that he's got in that system and they know what they're going to get for him? Do you potentially see somebody else starting to slip in and getting those first team reps?

If you see it in training camp, that's going to be the clear indicator. But, you know, the fact that OTA, Shador Sanders is not atop the depth chart. that shouldn't shock anybody because regardless of what his name is, he's a fifth-round pick, and those guys just don't get spring opportunities to show that they can run the ones. Great point. Thank you for providing the clarity. There's a lot of Shador-Dion fans out there who just don't want to hear that. Now, there is a world where Pickett, I don't see Flacko, but maybe Pickett gets flipped to another team that needs a quarterback, and we just got word this morning that Shane Steichen revealed that Anthony Richardson has a shoulder.

issue. Now, they're not really talking too in-depth. I'm sure maybe you've heard more, Tom, but Anthony Richardson will not be doing any activity here for a minute. And that doesn't sound great, given his injury history last year with the Colts. So my understanding,

Jason, is that this is not, you know, a huge blinking red light type of a warning here on Anthony Richardson. He had the AC joint injury last year. He's been dealing with the shoulder through the offseason. Neil Alitras, the famed surgeon, basically the advice was, hey, when in doubt, rested here. The Colts doctors have been on board with the plan

all along. Everybody's communicating here. I was told this morning 1,000% Anthony Richardson's going to be ready to roll when we come to training camp. But certainly, it's cast in a different light when you suddenly have a legitimate player to try to beat him out. This isn't Gardner Minshew, this isn't Joe Flacco, this is Daniel Jones, who was a first-round draft pick, and has won games in the league. It's won a playoff game in his time with the Giants. And somebody that the coaching staff in Indianapolis really liked when they were looking for who's going to be the right player, the right veteran to challenge Anthony Richardson. Now all those first team reps, you would presume go to Daniel Jones and mini camp. And again, anytime we're talking about these battles,

they're going to be sorted out in training camp. But the bottom line is when you're watching one guy get all the reps, if you feel good about it, the way that your brain is thinking for the next six weeks leading up to training camp, Daniel Jones has an opportunity to influence that here over the next week. Now, I do recall Stuyken had a ton of success. I I believe Jalen Hurts in Philly. And everybody thought, oh, running quarterback, it's going to work with Richardson. It really hasn't so far. Is that cause for concern coupled with the injuries?

Well, Anthony Richardson, I wouldn't even consider Jason a running quarterback so much as he was a big, raw athlete. You just don't get 6'5, 250-pound guys who have absolute canons for arms. We started 13 games in college. It was a massive projection. They're sitting there with the number four overall pick. They weren't going to be able in that draft to get Bryce Young or get C.J. Stroud, who was really, do you take Anthony Richardson or do you take Will Levis? They had pressure on them because they've been going the veteran route through, you know, the Carson Wences and Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan's of the world. Chris Ballard needed to draft the quarterback here. And you understood it from an upside perspective with Anthony Richardson. But, you know, as much as the ceiling was high, the floor was low. And we really still don't have an idea of exactly what direction he's going to go because he flat out hasn't been on the field. When you're guy who just needs reps above all else, spending a lot of time in the training room is going to

hinder that development because you're just not getting those types of opportunities here. So yes, that was certainly part of the consideration was the success with an athletic type quarterback. Will Levis is a really good athlete too. Nobody's built like Jalen Hurst, but you thought there'd be some similar elements you might be able to unleash here. The bottom line is Anthony Richardson has missed so much time in his young career for a guy who all. also missed time and didn't play a whole lot in college. He's just, he's a complete enigma at this point. You know, I don't put the bus label on him.

We just don't know what he is, and until he's actually able to stay on the field and show some of that progression, that's where he's going to stay. Talk with Tom Pelliserro NFL Network. All right, Tom, let me ask you, C.J. Stroud, also we got word this week. He's dealing with shoulders soreness.

For football people, can you put that in lingo as to what that means in June? Well, we had, I think, reports say it's a peck. We had reports say it's a shoulder. We got Domingo Ryan's going full NHL and saying general body soreness. It doesn't sound like it's a big deal. Again, we're in June. You're not playing games in June.

You've got three months until this thing kicks off. And so if there's any types of an issue, you're going to hold back on a guy as important to your team as C.J. Stroud, when it comes to the spring. But we also know shoulder injuries have a habit of lingering, which is also why you back off, whether it's Richardson, whether it's Strau, whether it's anybody else. else you back off those things in the spring just because, yeah, those reps are important, but they're not nearly as important as being available in the fall. I would say, you know, let's keep an eye on it as we get to the start of training camp. If C.J. Stroud is, you know,

ramped up to a full go within the first week of camp, I wouldn't say there's a big concern. If we get several weeks into camp and they're still holding back on his throwing regimen, then there might be a little bit more to it. All right, let's go to a team you know well. Minnesota Vikings, I want an impassioned rant about how I believe in J.J. McCarthy. Hey, Jim Harbaugh believed in him. Kevin O'Connell believes in him and starting to get some pushbacks from some people offline. What are you hearing about McCarthy's situation in Minnesota,

his recovery from the surgeries? I mean, he hasn't thrown an NFL pass yet. How are things going for him? Well, first of, Jason, he's put the weight back on. We all saw him on the sideline last year when he's weighing like a buck 70 or something. He's put the weight back on. He's upwards of 200 pounds.

He looks a lot better physically at this point. And everything I've been told is that he's essentially full go in terms of doing football activities through the spring here. Now, there's no contact in the spring. We'll see, you know, how cautious if at all the Vikings are when we get into training camp. But in terms of how J.J. McCarthy has embraced everything from learning the offense to, you know, I was at the Warriors Wolves Game 5 and front and center at center courts, Justin Jefferson, sitting next to J.J. McCarthy. And I said to Justin, you know, hey, like, you know, it's interesting you're next to me. He's like, hey, I feel like I want to bring him out in the world. The fact that Justin is kind of

rallying around him. He's at the OTA's developing chemistry with his new quarterback. I would not overlook that in terms of the belief that teammates have in him. Certainly the front office has a high degree of belief in J.J. McCarthy. That's why they traded up one spot to go get him in the draft a year ago. There's a huge unknown when you're talking about a guy who not only didn't play as a rookie, but didn't have any reps, Jason. I mean, he tore the meniscus in the first preseason game, missed the entire year. There's a lot he had to go through. There was a second procedure that had to have in December, but everything from a physical perspective is tracking. Now it's just in an offense where we've seen different quarterbacks, Kirk Cousin, Sam

Donald play at least statistically the best football of their lives. Let's see if J.J. McCarthy can elevate his game once those live bullets start flying. All right. I'm going off the board here, Tom. NFC North is loaded. Kindly ranked the quarterbacks heading into this season in the NFC North. It's very tough. I think I've done this with three people and all of them gave different answers. Well, I think that the guy you have to look at is Jordan Love, first and foremost, in terms of a young player who is on the Ascent. He dealt with injuries last year. I mean, that injury that he had in the opener in Brazil was no joke.

You know, it took him a few weeks to get back, battled through it, probably wasn't 100%. Then got banged up again later in the season here. But the Jordan Love that we've seen at his best. The Jordan Love we saw down the stretch in 2023. That last throw against the 49ers, notwithstanding. That's a really, really good quarterback. Jared Goff has obviously wanted a really high level. guy's been to the Super Bowl. He's played really good football for the Lions.

I mean, I'm not giving you a hot take here, Jason, but you say one game with one of those two guys, I'd say, well, the guy who's done it before is Jared Goff, but the guy you'd probably trust more in the skill set is Jordan Love. So those guys are probably 1A, 1B, however you want to rank them. J.J. McCarthy is a total unknown. Like I said, he's not taking a regular season snap. He's only taking preseason snaps in one game. Let's see where we are with him, when we get into the season. and then Caleb Williams, I would still put in the unknown bucket, because we actually saw Caleb Williams play pretty good football last year. And if you look at really ramping up to that game against the commanders

that everybody remembers for Tyreeks Stevenson, taunting the fans, and they hit the Hail Mary. If that game goes the other way, Jason, it's the bears that are in first place in the NFC North. The commanders take a huge loss on their home field. Where's the rest of that season go? The Bears didn't win another game. Matt Iberflus got fired before they won another game when we've been 18 against the Packers. But Caleb was on the ascent.

You saw it like weeks three, four, five. You saw him play better and better football. I am fascinated to see what Ben Johnson is going to be able to do with him. I'm fascinated to see what without Ben Johnson, the Lions are going to do with Jared Gough. I would just say for me in terms of the trajectory, the upside, knowing how Matt Lefleur coaches him, it's hard to bet against Jordan Love as the top quarterback within the division.

But when we got multiple guys that we just haven't seen do it, at least for any extended period yet, those rankings could be all over the place by September. All right. Tom Pellisero, NFL Network. Great stuff. Enjoy the offseason. I'll talk to you soon, Tom.

You got it, Jason. Any time. All right. Good stuff from Tom. Coming up next, The herd continues on the Fox Sports app. Next on FS1, UEFA Nations League,

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Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. And we're going to start with the Colts quarterback situation because Anthony Richardson is suffering from a shoulder injury per head coach, Shane Stuyken. Now, apparently Richardson felt soreness from his surgery.

surgically repaired AC joint after an OTA practice last week. Colts have an OTA practice on Thursday and then three veteran mini-camp practices next week. There's no timetable at the moment for Richardson's return, but the team does not think he'll require surgery. So, J. Mack, never a good sign when there's no timeline, especially when it's on an existing injury. However, he was told by doctors when in doubt, just rest it. We still got a couple months for the start of the season. But when you look at his two-year career so far, he's only played 15 games in two seasons,

four games in his rookie year, 11 games in year two. And he has legit competition this year. Like kind of with Daniel Jones there, who's been a starting quarterback, has a lot to prove this season. But another interesting thing here, okay? The last quarterback that started for Indy, besides Richardson and camp, should the Colts trade for Flacco? Oh, I know. I know who wedged that in there. Yeah, he did.

No, I don't think they should trade for flag. Okay, let me back up. So you were a big-time soccer player. Yes. You had surgeries. I'm assuming? I never had surgeries. Really?

But I tore all the ligaments my ankle. And you just decided let it heal no surgery. I did. I did no surgery. I did. Because I just wonder, you mentioned a good point that, like, listen, man, they just signed Daniel Jones. Yeah, that's a legit competition.

He has been a starter. And he has a lot to prove. He wants to prove that he can still be a starter. If you're Richardson coming off a surgery, you want to get out there and get your job. Yeah, but you're not guaranteed QB1 reps right out of the game. Like you have Daniel Jones. You can't not be playing. Yeah, but you also don't want to push it and re-injure it because he was told by doctors, when in doubt, rest it.

And it's sore. This guy's 22. He's built like a tank. He's got to be on the field. He's played 15 games in two seasons. He's been injured. Maybe not an armored tank. Maybe a plastic tank.

Yeah. A delicate tank? I just, I would, I would, how does this? But I will watch Anthony Richardson. Yeah. Play quarterback. I will not watch Daniel Jones play quarterback.

I've seen that. It's, no. Well, yeah, there is, um. Richardson's electric. Yeah, and there's hope. Like, there's when you watch him, it's like, oh, maybe he can do this, but can he stay healthy? That's also, like, a really big thing for young athletes who, like, have an injury

pass. And his NFL's career has been injury pro. so far. Richardson's a guy who will throw a 70-yard bomb in the air. Yeah. And on the next play, run over a linebacker at the goal line.

Like, that's what I want to see. Okay, but he's got to also be healthy to play. By the way, what do you think of the nickname for Daniel Jones, Vanilla Vic? Have you heard that one?

No. What? I don't. It was a nickname back in New York for him. Was it? Because he was like running member.

And, okay, sorry. Like, Michael? I just found it funny the first time I heard it. Absolutely not. I know. I know. No, I'm even close. Okay.

Let's move to the NBA. Jack, you're going to like this one. Draymond Green. Might have had a hotter NBA take than you this week. Take a listen to Draymond talking about winning and losing championships. If you want me to be quite honest with you, I personally think making it to the NBA finals is one of the worst seasons you can have. Going to the NBA finals and winning an NBA championship,

those two things are so far apart. Like, you can get to the NBA finals and not be close to winning an NBA championship. And I know that may sound hard for people to leave, but those that have won championships would definitely understand what I'm saying. And those that have been there and didn't quite win would definitely understand what I'm saying. It's, those two things are so drastically far apart. No. This doesn't make sense. You were the second closest team to get to an NBA championship.

Would you rather to have love and lost than to have never loved at all? It's like one of those. Would you want to get there and have a chance to win or like, you don't even have a chance if you're not in the NBA finals? Always. Always. So I know the staff loves when I bring up my men's league basketball. So we had a stack.

team with Richard Jefferson, we lose an unbelievable turn of events in the final 10 seconds. So we're like, we're going to get the next one. We go back to next year, a bunch of our guys get hurt, we lose in the championship. You had RJ on your team? Not the second year. Okay. After the back-to-back championship losses, we took off a season. I couldn't take it.

Losing in the championship is so painful. You lose in the first round, it's like, who cares? No, that's being a sore loser. That's being a sore loser. You have to experience loss to know what it takes to win. that's when you build up your strength is when you're down in the ditch and when you've experienced,

I don't want to feel that feeling again. I never want to feel that loss feeling again, so I'm going to do everything in my power not to feel that loss, and that's added motivation to get back and actually win a championship. 100%. You're running away from...

No, no, we came back to the second year, but we were pushing so hard, four of us, including myself, got injuries. And at this point, I'm just so ticked. We dropped out of the league this season, and it's disappointing because the team we usually smash. It's not undefeated.

They're going to win. Nobody cares. This is weird. I understand where Dremont's coming from. I know people will disagree. I didn't look at and see this on the line or online. Are people just crushing him for this? I haven't looked at the comments, but I don't agree with what he's saying.

I think that's a wrong mentality. You want it. Like, if you want to reach the top of the mountain, you got to get close and you got to try and you've got to fail getting there. Like, oh, I've only been knocked out of the first round. Oh, wait, I've made it to the finals, haven't won yet. So you know what it takes to get there. I think that's a little different.

I think it, if you lose in the first round, it's almost better. If that makes any sense. No, it's not. If you go to the finals and lose, it is so painful. Yeah, but then it's also, it should motivate you to get back and do it better next year. But, yeah, the motivation's short. But like, I've lost in finals. I've won finals.

I've lost in finals in my college career. You never want to experience that again. So you're going to do everything in your power to not feel that way and use it as motivation to get back. Right. Yeah. It's just a tough discussion. Can we get Traybon on?

Cowher? Can you talk to him? Is you got it? Yeah, I don't. I like that. I don't agree with that. That's an interesting topic. It is.

It's very interesting. I'm on the other side of this. You're obviously on his side. I'm on the other side. Let's wrap things up in Buffalo. Bill's quarterback, Josh Allen, had the best season of his career last year. But offensive coordinator, Joe Brady. says that Josh is even more driven than he was last year.

Take a listen to Freddie talk about the reigning MVP. What I love about Josh is his demeanor, his approach, his mindset. I mean, it is as impressive as it gets. And it's infectious around the team. So when he walks in the building, you don't see a guy that, you don't feel a guy that just won the MVP last year. And it's like, oh, you know what, like, I'm good. You feel a guy that's hungry and is trying to figure out,

to get better and embracing his new teammates. Josh Allen and the bills are favorite in every game this year. This is the year to get it done. The target is on their back. We know how great Josh Allen is. Obviously, he's the reigning MVP, but he needs to be better in the postseason. He's seven and six in the playoffs with those losses to Burrough and Mahomes.

He needs to get over that hump. That's what has happened. You've got to be better in the postseason. Let me ask you, So I'm sure you saw the news. Josh Allen got married last weekend to this actress, Haley Steinfeld. Uh-huh. So, you know, you hear a lot of stuff.

He apparently is buying a place out here in the Valley. He's going to join the golf course and everything. I just wonder. It's not a distraction. Okay, that's where I was going. Yeah, I know. No, no, no. Because there are some relationships where it feels like a distraction.

She works just as hard as him. She's a working actress. And he's talked about the support and love that she. She's helped provided him that made him a better player on the field. When you hear that and you have a supportive partner who pushes you to be better, that's when you're at your best. I mean, he was what? He got engaged last year.

She was publicly the biggest part of his life last year and he had the best season of his career. So I don't see it being a distraction. I see it being support, which is great for a guy like Josh Allen who can handle that. Yeah, I'm all in on the bills. I think they win the Super Bowl. Dang. Anybody with the Chiefs, anybody with the Chiefs out, please.

I mean, you don't even have the Chiefs making the playoffs. Yeah, it's not a good. It's cake. Wild. Alex, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News.

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Anyways, we got the NBA finals coming up starting tonight, Alex. I know you're excited. But there's a bigger story afoot, and that is this gentleman behind me, Kevin Durant. Bigger? I think it's bigger than the NBA Finals. No? He's a top 15 player all time? time. All right. Wait, wait. That's a hot take. You think the Pacers, Thunder's more exciting than Katie?

I'd just say that Katie, where he's going to end up is bigger than the NBA finals is a hot take. I didn't. I thought that was like lukewarm, but you could call it hot. And of course, yes, after my rant yesterday, KD went on Instagram and wrote a little reply, being angry. This is what he does. So our guys came up with something. Kev in or Kev out. Who would you going to, who would you rather take next season? on your team. Alex is going to ask me, current NBA star, and I'll decide Kevin or Kev out. All right. Who would you rather have on your team? KD. or Carl Anthony Towns? Why are we starting there? I thought we were starting to layups. Uh-uh. Shucks.

Oh. Shucks? Damn it. Okay. So I'm a Knicks guy. Yeah, duh. I'm not saying I want this train, but I would rather have Kevin Durant than Carl Anthony Towns. Very, very, very slagy. After what you just saw. I don't want the trade. I don't want the trade, but I would rather have KD. Does that make any sense? Yes.

After what you just saw in the last round, you went off about his defense? It was bad. Yeah. Something's going on inside that team. Definitely. And it sounds like a lot of fingers are being pointed in a certain words. Yeah. All right.

Next up. Would you rather have Kady or Steph Curry? Alex. This is your layup. Come on, Steph Curry, obviously. So I'm playing in this men's league and they were like, what Jersey numbers do you want? You know?

No, this is like a real one, though. And I was like 30, obviously, for the chef. Yeah. This is no debate. Steph Curry, obviously. Like, yeah, I don't, I think you, the audience, are a thousand percent with me. Yeah. Right?

Oh, yeah. I am. But I'm a big curry fan. I'm a LeBron and Curry fan. Like, those are my guys. You don't like Katie? No, I'm just saying those are my two favorite players. Oh, well, go, okay.

Yeah, also, like, well, curry's my cuss. Same last name. Is SGA one of your favorite? Are you going out of that train again? I'm not. I'm not. All right. Okay.

Who would you? rather have on your team next season, KD or Jha Morant? That's tough. I'm going to go Kevin Durant. Oh, John Morant, still a bit of a mess off the court. Let's see if you can have an offseason. Yeah. Not making negative headlines.

Yeah, I would go KD there. He's 37. John Morant still in an electric player. It sells a lot of merch. He can dunk really cool. Does that even make sense? He's a great dunker. I'm sorry.

If I can rewind, he's a great dunker. But I don't know the Morant's game is going to age particularly well. He's like a little bit of Russell Westbrook, can't shoot, flying all around. By the way, did you see the report Westbrook may go to Europe? No. Crazy. Anyways, all right. I'll go Kevin Durant.

Okay. Who would you rather have on your team next season? KD. You're Tyrese Halliburton. I got to go, what the hell he? Give me Tyrese Halliburton. I'm a big fan. I think he's encroaching top 10 player in the league.

Oh, I love it. If he can show well in the finals, Alex? Yeah. I mean, he's 11 years younger than KV, obviously. And the biggest knock for me on Durant is he doesn't make everyone around him better. That's why I love Luca. Yeah. That's why I love Curry.

And that's why I love Hallibor. Well, we heard, we played the LeBron Sound earlier, right? Where he was talking about guys want to fight for him because he has that energy on the court. And that's such a key part to a leader. Not only can you lead by example, but do you motivate everyone around you to elevate their game to your level? Okay. Who would you rather have a new team? next season, KD or Joelle and Bede?

KD. I don't even know what Abed's future in the NBA is, honestly. Guy goes to the Olympics. Can barely play has like a good quarter maybe, a good half. And now he's like a nodal non-factor. He needs knee surgery. Like Kevin Durant in a heartbeat. Sorry.

Okay. Who would you rather have your team next season, KD or Jimmy Butler? A little tougher. I'm going to go Jimmy Buckets. It's interesting because the Warriors could have gone after. They could have been on, like, in a team. similar situation. I think Jimmy Butler was the right call.

Remember, they win in the first round against Houston. If they win game one against Minnesota, if Curry doesn't get hurt, they're probably fine. Jimmy Butler is a two? As a one, he took the heat to the finals twice. Like, yeah, I go Jimmy Butler over KD next season. Okay. KD or Kauai Leonard?

This was the toughest, the toughest one for sure. Okay. Because Kauai, when he was healthy, looked really good. Remember, they pushed Denver to seven. They did. That help has been is Achilles heel. Yeah. Give me Kevin doing it.

Oh. I know that's a tough one. I wonder if Kauai has like a big market. Because like you don't know what you're trading for. Like with KD, you know he's going to show off. How many games are you going to get up? And it's usually end of the season playoffs, which is the worst time to be heard. At least KD plays.

They may get swept by Anthony Edwards and Jason Tatum, but at least he's playing. So KB over Kauil. All right. Let's wrap it up with the big one. Who would you rather have on your team next? season, Katie or LeBron. LeBronify. Give me LeBron James. Hands out.

You know, 40 years old, the stuff he's doing in this league, Alex. Oh, I, I am such a LeBron fan. You don't want to like. I don't understand the hate. I do not understand. I'm on record. He's the greatest player in NBA history. I've been saying that since he brought the title to the Lakers in the bubble.

Anywhere he goes, he's the system and everyone works around. Wins. Yeah. Doesn't matter the coach. He's one with three different franchises. Yeah. That's a big deal. That is a huge deal.

No, I'm a huge LeBron fan. And what he brings to the franchise, too. So we got a full screen. If you were watching or missed a couple, Kev in or Kev out. I did take KD over Kat, KD over John Morant, over M.B., and over Kauai.

Yeah. Two of those are injury-related. Actually, and one's off the court, and Kat is a bit of a space cadet. But yeah, give me LeBron, Butler, Halley, and Curry over... Kevin Grant.

Yeah. Those are good. Did you, off the top of the show, did I hear this right? Did you say you're taking the Pacers? I'm going to put a little money on the Pacers to win the series. I think I'm going to do an exacta. Okay. Pacers to win the Series 4-2.

There's no point in betting on the OKC Thunder. Like, I'm not... So is this because you think they can actually do it or because it's a better bet? A combination of the two. Okay. So I think I saw the number was like plus 1040. if the Pacers win the series exactly 4-2. Yeah.

Let's be right. They're not sweeping the thunder. No. 4-1, that ain't happening. And they're not winning game 7 in Oklahoma. Definitely not. So their best bet would be 4-2 at home. Okay, so this is your betting pick.

Yeah, now this is a pizza money bet. Yeah, so that's your money bet. What's your brain saying? Okay, C-4-0. Oh. Oh, you're saying sweep? You think it's going to be a sweep? I think that's in play for sure.

Okay. But if you want to have fun with it, put some money on it. Yeah. I mean like there's just no I'm not going to bet a thousand dollars on Oklahoma City to win like seven dollars like that's just dumb I don't think that you think they're going to they're going to sweep I do think they're going to you're taking game one tonight there's some bad game one betting trends on underdogs okay so I'm not touching the Pacers tonight this is kind of a wait and see um they also had issues getting in the weather was kind of tough yeah that's that can affect that I mean I don't think it's going to affect them that much.

Let's go score. I'll go 1-18 to 97. Oh, that's kind of a... Let me write that down in case it's accurate. What do you got? 11-19 to 97? I'm going to say it's a five-score game. Five-score game?

Yeah, yeah, five-discore game? Oh, so they won't cover. Okay. So Alex and I on the Thunder, enjoy the game tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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