The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Top NFL prospects

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

QB consultant Jordan Palmer joins the show to breakdown each of the top prospects before next weeks draftSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or stream us live every day on the IHart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. You know, J. Mack and I were just talking about if you take the best single team ever in the NBA, because they just announced the USA Olympic team for Paris. I don't think people realize J. Mack made this during the break how good Clay Thompson was in his prime. So he was the best or second best defensive two guard with D. Wade, Clay Thompson. And he was the best catch-and-shoe guy in the week. And so you had, again, when you could use the hand check,

The greatest team I've ever seen was the Bulls with MJ and Pippin and a variety of shooters, Rodman. Coo Coach could hit a three. And there were two versions, the first three to second three. But if you couldn't use a hand check, there was no way that team could beat. Now think about this. As great as Shaq in Kobe's dynasty was, Shaq gives you twos. Yeah, he'd score 40 against the Warriors, but he couldn't hit a free throw. Foul him, throw people at him.

It would just be a math equation. Durant 3, Clay 3, Steph 3, and Draymond was the best defensive player in the league. I mean, they literally had the best shooter ever, the best shotmaker, the best defensive player, the best two guard in the league and one of the best coaches. Jordan's team had the best player and the best Robin, and then it was a Euro. Rodman was not as gifted as Draymont, but in the hand check era, that team was, I mean, if they could just grab you and push you, that's when they were great. But as the world evolves, and they take away the hand check, Chicago would have been absolutely outmaned by those warrior teams.

You just spread the court to put KD in the corner. You have clay on the wing, catch and shoot. You have Draymond and Steph doing pick and rolls and constant motion. And there's nothing Michael can do. You can't stay in front of anybody. It's all matchup hunting. We'll see Jalen Brunster do matchup hunting in these playoffs. And if you do the drop coverage and come back in the lane to prevent layups, he's just going to make a million mid-range shots.

Yeah. Which is what Jordan would have done, Curry, Clay, and KD are hitting three. Yeah, it's a math equation. Shack couldn't hit free throws late, and he gives you twos, and Jordan and Pippin were two guys. So that when they moved the three-point line in, Michael had his two best three-point shooting years. They moved it back out.

He went out being an average three-point shooter. So a lot of it's just math and analytics and the game changes. I mean, it's like in football, what the Ravens were allowed to do with Ray Lewis and McAllister and, you know, your Ed Reed, and Saragusa. You're not allowed to do that today. So in a defensive league, Belichick was unbeatable,

and the Ravens were the greatest team ever. So were the Bears. In modern sports, there are some teams, though. I do think the Jordan Bulls would still be dominant today. I just don't think they would have beaten those warriors. But I think some of the all-time great teams, some teams just age better than others. I think Jordan's Bulls teams would age very, very well.

Shack Kobe teams are interesting. don't know if they'd age as well. Shack couldn't hit a free throw. That was mostly a two team. I don't know if they would age well. Who was their third best player? Rick Fox? Well, Robert Ory was good.

Oh, I saw Ory the other night at the arena. Awesome. I love Robert. Yeah. Derek Fisher was... DeFish. They had a really good team. With two superstars.

Well, they had the best perimeter closer in Kobe and the best closure period in Shack. But the free throw stuff was a real issue. I covered that Laker Blazer series that went seven games. and it was the Hakashak stuff. And Portland outplayed them for about 60% of the series. They outplayed them. They had double-digit leads.

But in the end, you know, it was Rashid against Shaq. It's, you know, it was a lot of, I think it was Steve Smith and Kobe. It was just like the Lakers had the two best closers in the series. I think game seven, Portland was up like double digits in L.A. I thought they outplayed them most of the series. I remember where I was watching that comeback in the Kobe to Shaq Alleyu. One of my favorite NBA highlights ever. I just was going crazy, of course.

I was behind the basket for that, and I remember looking at Bob Wits at the GM and just going, great. But again, nothing against Phil Jep, but the Lakers couldn't stop Rashid Wallace. He was just he would get whatever he wanted to get. Lakers were a very top-heavy team. The Blazers were deeper, but they didn't have Shaq and Kobe. So it's funny when you go, like, not all great teeth. The Ravens with Dilfer do not age well, right?

The Bears football team with McMahon, they do not age well. But I think there are certain, like, I think you can go back to the Brue. Brady dynasties, if you go back to the Brady teams, they were great situationally. They could run the ball. They could throw it. The Moss teams could throw deep, though they didn't win a Super Bowl. I think those rate, I mean, let's be honest. Mahomes couldn't beat Brady in those New England teams in the playoffs.

Remember the Kansas City game? They got the overtime coin toss. They got the ball first. So though I think the Brady dynasty teams really wear well. I don't think the Ravens do. I don't think the Bears do. I think the Bulls team wears well. Because Kukos could hit a three.

Kerr could hit a three. Paxson could hit a three. Michael, occasionally, the Blazers game, could hit a three. I think they age pretty well. Now, they had some back to the basket. Biggs and Wendington and... Luke Longwood. Yeah, whatever. So it's just, you know, it's just like when I look at certain teams,

I think, oh, that team would play, like certain players. I think Walter Payton would be a great running back today. I mean, I think he would just, he was rel-I'd never seen a running-back run like that. Barry Sanders works in any. It would be Barry standard. Jim Brown would just, he was fast, big, and strong. But I don't think there's a lot of players when you look at and you're like, yeah, that's not going to, that's not going to work today.

You know? So, I mean, I think if you put Cheryl Miller today would be a great women's basketball player. In 83, she was dominant. She would be dominant today. The way she handled the ball didn't even look like any other player. Maya Moore in any generation would be great. Like, you know, the funny one, the interesting one to me about like what age is well and what, doesn't. So back to the basket centers

would not age as well. Like, what would you do with Kareem? He's a two. So I always think Kareem is the most fascinating NBA player in terms of... Which Kareem? There's Bucks. There was early Lakers. Well, again, he ran the floor like Yannis when he was young. I mean, he ran the floor. But most of his career,

he used to Skyhook. Yeah. What do you do with the skyhook? Yeah. Like, I mean, so you'd go in, you're a general manager like, well, nobody can stop the two, but he's just a two. And so the last 12 years, so I don't know exactly how that works. Dwight Howard's career evaporated

because he was a back to the basket center and couldn't do much facing the hoop. And it's like, and he was the best rebounder, the best shot blocker. He had a run. He was almost the best player in the league for like a three-year run. He was unbelievable.

But like Patrick Ewing, what is he in today's? And I love Patrick Ewing so much. But I don't think he aged. I'll tell you a guy that age is great. I'll tell you a great player. In the 70s, that would be great today. Rick Berry.

So Rick Berry was pre-Lary Bird. Rick Berry played for the Warriors. You know, the Barry kids, Rick could shoot a three. Rick was a brilliant passer. Rick was intense. Rick Berry would age very well. Rick Berry was Larry Bird before Larry Bird. There's been like three forwards that were different.

So Rick Barry was a forward, and he was often the best shooter on the floor. And then Larry Bird came into the league, and you're like, the best shooter in the games of three, four. Like, what? And then, like, Larry Bird would be great today. We all know that because you could shoot. But Rick Berry was pre-Lary Bird. Feisty, shoot-pass threes. So Rick Barry in the 70s of all the stars.

Dr. Jay, I mean, name all the stars. Rick Berry would age incredibly well today. Larry Bird of the 80 stars would age very well today. So there's three forwards in my life that you're like, what? Barry was the first. Bird was the second. Like, how can this guy shoot? And then LeBron.

was this incredible distributor ball handler and he's a forward. He's 6'8 and a half 260. So, I mean, the game has changed, but a lot of these stars, I don't know what you do with Kareem. What would you? He's going to give you 38.

They're all twos. He's not great at the line. But he was, remember, he was like Wemby and Yannis. He was a dominant defensive player at the rim. So you couldn't, I mean, if you had a center, nobody scored low.

Would you teach Kareem how to shoot threes, like Joel and B? Joel and B, by the way, I looked this up last night. of doing some draft. Well, Yonis has never shot him well. Joel Embed, one of five in three-pointers at Kansas. Meanwhile, three years later, he's attempting 200 in the NBA.

Well, Anthony Davis, the Lakers tried to move him outside, and he didn't like it, and he wasn't as effective. And Yonis has never been effective. So I don't think Kareen would have been a three-point shooter. I think one of the things I like about sports is how people age. Like, how dynasties age. Most of the time, they don't age well. if you look at the history, they don't, not only are people bigger and stronger,

but the games were built for the time. Like Michael Jordan today would obviously be great, but Michael didn't shoot threes particularly well. Now, he would still be the most competitive, the most relentless, the best on-ball defender, a prolific score. He would be Aunt Edwards, but a better version. So that tells me 34 a game, great defense. So Michael would still be great.

but he would live in a world where Steph Curry would still score faster and Yokic could still do more well. So if Michael was in his prime today and LeBron was in his prime and Yokic was in his prime, Yokic and LeBron would do more well than Michael because their games just do more well. They're both better passers. I mean, they both better long-distance shooters. So Michael would age well, but you. you would see more flaws in Michael's game.

He was never a good long-distance shooter. Kobe always had better range than Michael. By the way, there were more All-Stars probably international this year than there were the entire league when Michael Jordan was winning three straight in the early 90s. There just weren't European players. There weren't a lot of them in the league. Like Drazenpetrovic, a handle. Well, I mean, think about a rim protector in Jordan's era,

DeKembe Montembo. He ran the floor like Yon. He was like a classic big. Exactly. Those guys now, Wembe, look at Wembe and DeCambi. It's like a different planet. It's a different...

Species. And they're just different player totally. I mean, Wembe can do anything. He can shoot a three, he can run the floor, he can pass, he can handle, Yokic can do everything. DeKembe Mundambo could dunk and protect the rim. And so that's what...

Everybody always says, oh, Jordan, it was different back then. Yes, it was much less skilled. They did a 30-for-30 documentary on the Nixon Pacer series. There was one shooter. the whole series, Reggie Miller. I mean, he was the only, I mean, Starks wasn't a great shooter. That league back then was Oak Lee and Anthony Mason, and it was tough guys. Nobody could shoot.

They clog the lane. Go look at the games on NBA TV. It's like five guys basically one foot in the lane, packing the paint, no layups allowed. They're daring people to shoot, and people couldn't shoot. Not like they can today, obviously. They could make baskets, but just to shoot. Michael would not have been allowed to hand check, and Michael would have been forced to guard in the perimeter. So whereas Michael could hand-check you and then just direct you into his

bigs, Michael now wouldn't have the bigs behind him because they're guarding their big out of the lane. Now, Horace Grant's not camped out in the lane. No, so Michael's one-on-one, and here comes a guard, and Michael can't touch him, and he would fly past Michael. There's a reason Tyrese who you love, I know you talked to, you can't stand in front of Tyrese Max. When he drives the lane, there's nobody there because Embed's outside waiting to You've got to guard him. Yeah. So it's a, it's, I mean, it's totally different.

Like, LeBron is a classic example. LeBron would age in Ernie era because LeBron could have played bully ball because of his size, 6-9-250 and his skill that. He would have been great in the 70s, 80s, 90s. Michael would be great now, but there would be flaws. There would be things Michael would not do as well as other people. I mean, there's no disputing that. Michael was never a great three-point shooter.

Like, what would, what does LeBron do now that wouldn't work in the 70s, 80s, 90s? he would be bigger, stronger, faster, and shoot better than 99% of the league. Michael today, even with practice, would never be a great long-distance shooter. And if you're not, there are limitations on, I mean, again, people would just beg Michael, hit the mid-race. But he hit six-threes against Portland in one half, and now he's a great day. You know, people forget about every other game. They're just kind of riffing today. I don't think the audience is going to love that one.

That's just my guess. Don't go on social media after this segment. I don't go, but I'm just saying it would, am I wrong? No. So the moral of the story is not all dynasties are the same, some age well, some don't, not all stars age well.

Walter Payton would be the best running back in the NFL today. He's not a doubt in my mind. His strength, I mean, go look at the video. He was literally strongest, running over, running past, making him... Okay, so you did make a comment yesterday about McCaffrey. You said you saw him at UFC, and you were like, best running back since Walter Payton.

And I was going to be... be like, hold up, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson. There are several guys who have been amazing. Adrian Peterson works at any era. Well, there's no question. No question. But McCaffrey's ability to catch the ball. McCaffrey's a wide receiver.

He's literally a wide receiver who plays running back with elite like Olympic speed in his crime. I mean, there's nothing there he can. The best three I've seen are Walter McCaffrey and Barry Sanders. Adrian Peterson was, he ran angry and he ran hungry and he ran. but there were fumbles. I don't know if he was, he wasn't much of a pass catcher. Not at all.

He was just a freight train. He was kind of, here's my, like Derek Henry, here's my style. But I mean, McCaffrey could literally split out. I'll tell you the most underrated back

ever was Edgerman James. Edgerman James could have made the NFL, I'd argue as like a linebacker, a return guy, a slot receiver, or a running back. Edgian James was insane. Can I interest you in Bo Jackson?

I know that he didn't last long because of the injuries, but at his height. Pretty good. He was... Pretty good. Unstop. Like, literally unstoppable. Springtime's a perfect time to give a fresh look at Simply Save Home Security. The only home security system we recommend.

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or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your point. podcast. He's a quarterback consultant, the founder of the quarterback summit, training quarterback draft prospects since 2014. It's Jordan Palmer. He's worked with Mahomes and Joe Burrell and Josh Allen and Trevor Lawrence. So, you know, a lot of this stuff, I was saying about J.J. McCarthy, that if you look at the last 10 drafts, we have 12 quarterbacks that I would view as a substantial hit. The higher end is Mahomes. The lower end could be maybe a DAC, but still

very, very good player, a hit. and the only common thread, it's not the school they went to, it's not the size, the common hit is, they came out and they did one of two things in college. They either elevated pretty average teammates or they were on a stack roster and put up cartoon numbers, Hertz, Kyler, Burrow. With J.J. McCarthy, he got the stacked roster and wasn't wildly productive. and that worries me a little when I go back to the last 10 drafts, is that, you know, Burrow out of stack roster, he got 65 touchdowns,

which in the SEC doesn't even make sense. It's like a video game. Should I be a little concerned that they didn't ask him to kind of carry him? And in the NFL, I mean, Jordan, that's kind of the game for a young quarterback, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. And I think what I'm about to say has nothing to do with JJ. It's not his fault.

In fact, he's the defending national champion and just went 15 and 0. But, you know, before each game at Michigan, when, you know, Harbaugh's hitting his pads and all that stuff in pregame, there was an understanding that they were going to rush for 250 yards, and that the defense wasn't going to stop them on the ground. And this is not his fault, right? He's part of a great organization. He was a big part of that run game. There's a lot of run checks that fall on him. There's his threat as a runner that creates. advantages for Blake Corum and other runners.

So it's actually, he's a part of why it happened. I wouldn't fault somebody on not having the video game numbers if they weren't asked to. Now, had we seen games where they asked him to throw it 40 times and he just completed half of them and threw two picks, then that'd be different. That never happened. And so, unfortunately, when you're drafting anybody at the top, you have to make assumptions because we don't have, we can't see how they were in the NFL, different than in agency. We can literally look at how you stack up against NFL defenses. We can't do that in the

draft. That's why it's an imperfect science. I heard some stat that 44% I think of, this might be wrong, fact check me, but it was 44% I think of like the last top 10 picks in the last 10 years didn't pan out. So whatever that stat is where you go, oh man, there's a lot of busts. It's because people are making assumptions. And the biggest assumption that needs to be made with JJ is that in all 15 of those games, they knew they were going to run the ball right down their opponent's throat. And in the NFL, depending on your situation, there are quarterbacks who start every game of the season, and they don't know until the second quarter if the run game is going to work today. And that's not an over-exaggeration.

And so how you have to win in the league, we all say third down is the most important down in football and all that. I agree. But you're just not going to know. Lamar Jackson this next season will not know beyond a shadow of it out that the run game's going to work every single week, like in warm-ups. He won't. And that's, we'd all argue, is the best run game in the league.

And so that's the big hurdle. We know how he can play against competition because he won a national title and he played in the Big Ten and, you know, and has played at a really high level consistently since he stepped foot on campus. But that's the biggest assumption that teams, whoever's going to draft, you know, trade up or take him, is making an assumption that this guy can play if the game's on his shoulders to win in the air. So the ACC is, has been down for several years. And Drake May was really inconsistent in that very average conference. Whereas a Bo Nix and a Michael Pennix were wildly consistent in maybe the best

Pact 12 I've seen in 15 years. And so I look at Drake May and I'm like, man, even in his pro day, I'm like, should I be worried about that? Or is he just a developing player with great traits who will figure it out? What do you think, Jordan? Every single guy that we're going to talk about today, and fast forward the last years of you and I talking about the draft picks, is a developmental guy.

Caleb Wives is a developmental guy. These guys are transitioning from, I'll put air quotes, amateur, to professional football. It's a new sport. There's different rules. There's different things on the line. You're asked to do things different. Your week is different.

I literally, in my pitch deck, if I sit down and pitch a guy for draft prop, I literally have all the things that are new. You know, new coverages, new team, new city, new responsibility. There's a lot of newness that comes. So before I dive into this, they're all in a developmental stage. Nobody's a finished product. But what I would say with Drake is for me, this is 100% a when, not an if.

He is absolutely, I think, has all of the physical and then the mental, his emotional makeup. If you get a chance to spend time with this guy calling, you are going to, he's going to be one of your favorite guys. Just knowing you and knowing what you like and don't like. And some of the players that you like that other people don't, you would love this dude. He's very Philip Rivers in the room. Great energy, great aura around him.

Now, on the physical side mechanics, I do think there's things to clean up. There's things in Caleb and other people's games as well. So this is 100% the fit. Is he asked to start right away in a terrible situation? I think it could go poorly this first year. Yeah. Is he able to learn? And I know we almost say they don't want to sit and learn.

But is this guy able to really truly develop? Is there a developmental plan in place for him? And the majority of throws that quarterbacks make are uncontested. So think about it like this. In basketball, there's really three types of shots. There's an uncontested shot. You come off the screen, you're wide open, you shoot it. There's a contested shot, right?

You've got to go somebody's hand in your face. And then you turn a contested shot into an uncontested shot. So that's what a step back is. That's what a fade away is. I think it's the same thing for quarterbacks. You drop back quick game, bubble screens, clean pocket. That's an uncontested throw. Now every quarterback also has to make a determination that they're willing to step into a throw

when they know they're going to get hit. Guys that we're going to talk about today are all past that. And then there's the subtle movements where you turn an uncontested throw into, or I'm sorry, a contested throw into an uncontested throw. And when guys are inconsistent in their movements, that's where a lot of misses happen, on some really good players on Sundays even. and I have a lot of inbound clients right now of guys who play on Sundays because of that methodology and that idea that how do I turn every throw into uncontested one and how do I make sure that I repeat those patterns? For me, it's a matter of time with Drake until he's able to do that consistently.

And when he does, he's got so much of the other stuff that somebody's definitely going to find their franchise guy and Drake May. So one of the criticisms I've heard with Michael Pennix, and I understand your last game gets magnified. but people said, yeah, we liked him. But when he faced Michigan, and I think timeout, they had 18 pros, Washington had six. Let's slow down. Michigan was way better. And Washington was good, but they didn't have the same number of athletes.

The second thing I hear is, well, you know, he doesn't throw the ball well underneath. And my take is, I'd rather have a guy that can throw a deep ball. I'll teach the drag route to. If you can't throw it deep in windy weather, too, too. I'm not getting it from you. So the Pinnick stuff, sometimes I'm like, boy, are we just crushing the kid on losing the Michigan. Ohio State.

C.J. Stroud didn't beat Michigan. What are we talking about? Where do you land on Pennix as a prospect? I really like Pinnock's game. One of the things you'll hear consistently is I go around do pro days and talk to coaches. It's pretty unanimous that he's got unique armed talent and unique in terms of the best or the second best in this class, one of the best in a lot of classes. It just looks different coming out of his hand.

It does. And you're spot on. I mean, the amount of times that they push the ball down the field. Now, I will say, Oregon and Washington did a fantastic job from a schematic standpoint of number one or number two in the progression being open a lot. You can't fault the quarterback on that. Yeah. But they, when you look at Bo Nix's completion percentage, the numbers that both of them put up,

number one and number two, these wheel routes, these sail routes, these slot fades, These were highly thrown balls. But I don't care if you're throwing to roam, you know, a duncee or not. The ball's hitting these guys in the face. And it's right on the money. I love Pinnix's game. The only real question marks, and I'm not in a position of an answer on it, is, you know, he's had multiple injuries, but then he went and played two healthy seasons.

And so I think that's the biggest thing that teams are going to go through is the age, the injuries. Now, injuries, your last two seasons is very different than injuries before two healthy. these seasons. But it's still going to be factored in. But number one and number two in Washington and Oregon's offense, they did a fantastic job of scheming those guys open. But it's not a knock on Michael Pinnock's Jr. because he still delivered the ball accurately. And in terms of losing to Michigan, one of the things you get when you're at Michigan and you enter the playoffs is you've already played a game that's the same magnitude as a playoff game. That Michigan, Ohio State game is damn near a playoff game. It's the same atmosphere. It's the same prep. It's the same pressure.

losing to Ohio State when you're Michigan or vice versa is kind of like getting knocked out of the playoffs the first round. So there's the same amount on the line. So I just look at an organization in Michigan who had an extra game of that magnitude. As good as Washington, Oregon was when they played each other this year, it wasn't the same magnitude. Finally, and you're listening on radio to Jordan Palmer,

founder of quarterback summit, that it really is the go-to place in America. If you're a quarterback, the teaching is remarkable. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and we've leaned on him for years. So I'm going to go back. Years ago, I had the great honor to interview on the air a president, President Obama. And I remember asking him a question. I said, you're the first president who was dealt with social media and the vulgarity and the vile nature of it.

And I just asked, what is that like? Jimmy Carter, Reagan, Clinton, nobody dealt with that nonsense. And we talked about that. And I always think about this. The first to deal with anything is different. Caleb Williams is 21, 22, 23 years old. He's the first NIL superstar. He's the first $5 million college athlete.

And I'm like, did he show some personality? I mean, in college, I was scrambling for a $5 bill to buy pizza. He's making millions of dollars on things. And so some of the criticisms are, well, he's kind of got an edge. He's kind of cocky. And I'm like, well, if I was 20, and had $4 million from United Airlines. Do you look at that some of the players in Caleb Williams of criticisms?

He's very emotional, got a little attitude. Do you just think that's who he is? Does NIL account for that? What do you make of those criticisms? I don't make anything of the criticisms because it's really just people's opinions. And the definition of the word opinion is a factor information about somebody not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I actually talk at my QB Summit camps a lot about this concept of fear of other people's opinions and what we can do with it.

I just think Caleb's built to handle it and actually steps into it. I've been around them since high school. When you're the number one recruit in the country and the Elite 11 MVP and choosing which school you want to go to and all the hype, that actually does prepare you for stardom. And when you're in high school, I think I've talked about this with you before and you go to a seven-on-seven tournament and you're the number one kid, everybody's like trying to pick you off. they do it's going to go on social media so at 1617 it really prepares you for the stardom of being the face not of USC but the face of college football which is what he was for the last two years and not the first quarterback to be the face of college football but it prepares you for that and then if you look at the money that he's made

whatever that actual number is and the pressure of winning a heisman and coming back the next year even though your team's not that great and it's really hard to repeat and you know they didn't win the conference and then And it wasn't all, it's not like he just went undefeated and won the championships both years. There was some failure. There was some, they didn't win these games, they couldn't beat Utah. So he had to deal with success and adversity. And there might be things that he's done that people don't like.

They may not like the nail polish or the phone or whatever. But I think these things are irrelevant because what you really want is somebody who can step in to the arena that is number one pick franchise quarterback and all the scrutiny and all the love and all the attention that comes with it who actually wants it and actually can welcome it and has a process in a couple of years of dealing with it the concern when you take somebody from a small school from a one year in the you know in college football which we've seen we've seen Mitch trubisky only start 12 or 13 games Anthony Richardson didn't start a ton of games we've seen a lot of guys uh look at the way that it's it's played out with um with uh tray lance right small school

not a lot of game you're assuming they can take on all this other stuff that comes with the position and i think with kaleb the magnitude of his brand going back to high school and how he's handled it every single year i think the bears if they take him at one are going to know exactly what they're going to get and i went i was a bear and i went to the bears from jacksonville and it went from being three people interviewing you to 200 people in the room and i couldn't believe that those two teams were in the same league it was such a different experience yeah i i i was I'm not exaggerating. I think Caleb, uniquely, more so than most of these guys in the last few years, is built to handle that.

That's the crown coming on. Like, he's ready to handle it, and the bears are going to know that. You're so good at what you do. Quarterback consultant, quarterback summit, training draft prospects for now a decade of doing it. And that is a golf simulator in front of him. So if you think he's somewhere in the country where it's dusk, it's not, it's just a golf simulator part of some company you're part of. What's that company again? Yeah, full swing golf simulator, best in the business.

There you go. Good seeing you, my man. As always, great work. Thank you, I mean. Jordan Palmer. That's a great way of putting it. Like, he is some guy, like, you take these small, like Carson Wentz was a small school guy. You got him to Philadelphia, which is the loudest city in the country, and it's 800 people at every press car.

And it was like, whoa, whoa, it's a lot to deal with. Some people are, you know, and here was Carson West, small town guy, liked hunting fish. All of a sudden, Philadelphia, media is just coming fangs. They're coming after you. J-Mac used to be in that Philadelphia media. These are not good people. I was in the burbs.

I was part of the Philadelphia media enough that I got to play in a pickup media game at the Sixers, whatever it's called, Spectrum. But it's a different ball game. Carson went small town to that. He could not handle it. It's okay to say that. Like, you know, he wasn't ready for it.

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Sometimes it benefits you, C.J. Stroud, when he ran against Georgia. You're like, oh, or Justin Herbert ran against Wisconsin. And then you watch Michael Pennix. It's like, well, Michigan really ate him alive. you had a game before he ate Texas alive. The game before that, he ate Oregon alive. So it's like the last three games, two of them, he was unbelievable, and the best team in the country that beat Alabama,

that literally hammered OSU the last two years, the Buckeyes. They lose to almost nobody. Ohio State couldn't beat Michigan. They pull away both years in the second half, run over them. Yeah, Pennix wasn't great against them. Well, who was? I mean, TCU had a great game plan and a great game full of NFL players the year before against Michigan, but they just rolled through people for two years.

Everybody. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. And remember last year, TCU had a month to prepare for that semifinal. In this one, Pennix only had, what, like, a week after. Go back to that TCU team. Look how many pros were on that team.

I'm not making excuses. Penix has two receivers who are going to be drafted. Yeah. But they didn't have Michigan's personnel. No, and Michigan was totally stacked. Anyways. So NFL draft next week. I mentioned Peter Schrager of Fox dropped his latest mock.

We've done yours, mine, everybody's. Here's Shreger coming off the top rope with a shocker. The New York Giants move up to four for J.J. McCarty. I don't like it. I don't like it. I'll give Schroger this. he is a New York City guy, he's been around the Giants for a while. I'm assuming this isn't coming out of nowhere, and there's probably some smoke here.

I think, so you're going to have to give up major draft capital on a team that has like three great players and just lost Barclay. You just have to say Brian Daibel says I can make him a star and you have to trust Daible. I don't doubt Daible. That would drop Marvin Harrison to the Chargers. Oh my God. You know, the Chargers have a history of standing put and getting Herbert. Derwin James and Roshan Slater. Telesco didn't move a lot.

He'd sit and wait and he got great players every year. Like last year was a miss. It looks like on the number one. But they weren't hyper aggressive. And they got Herbert, a left tackle, and one of the best athletes at safety in a decade. Yeah. There's some chatter that Malik neighbors is going to be the guy in Arizona.

Schrager has Rome at Dunez. Now, if Rome doesn't go six, he could fall to my jets at 10. Shrager has Brock Bowers to the Jets. Listen, we love Bowers. We watch them all season. I just don't know about a tight end of ten. I'm fine being wrong.

I'll root for Bowers. Well, if you have Brees Hall, so Aaron Rogers gets Brees Hall, Garrett Wilson, Mike Williams. Probably the best tied end out of college. Tie now. What do we talk about last year with this team? No offensive line. I mentioned Morgan Moses.

They went and got two tackles. It is a tackle-rich draft. So there's going to be. be tackles in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh rounds. And you're not asking him to start. Tyron Smith will start at left tackle. He will start. So the question becomes, you do need to have somebody that's ready to go by Thanksgiving. But if you're telling me, Aaron Rogers has a star running back, a star number one, a red zone Mike Williams matchup advantage, an elite tied end, that's a different roster. We know we like their defensive roster. That's a hell

of an off season. It's not the most practical move. I can't hate it. I would pick the Jets for second if that happened. I think Brock Bowers... Second what in the entire AFC? Yeah, I think Buffalo wins the division, jet second. Because I'm really cool on the Jets. They just don't have enough. But Brock Bowers would walk into this league potentially be a 70 catch tight end. Wait, the Jets don't have enough of what? Offense. Oh, stop it. They're a twisted ankle to Brees Hall from being... Hey, Aaron, throw it 44 times. What happened to positive, Colin? First, it's like if CD land goes down, if Bruce Hall twists his ankle, like, come on, man.

Anyways, Schrager has Bo Nix to Minnesota, I believe, at 22, 23. Well, I think anybody that goes to Minnesota, I would love to see that, because I think Bo Nix needs the right fit, but I think that'd be great. That'd be exciting. Boy, Schragers, he knows New York teams. He wrote out of the blue. He wrote a Giants book. He's got good sourcing. I don't know how Giants fans would feel, but I don't really care about them.

Anyways, let's move on. Oh, more New York Giants content. Daniel Jones is making his way back from a torn ACL last season. He's expecting to be ready for training camp. Talking to the media Monday, Daniel Jones addressed the reports that New York could draft a quarterback. ACL you're the best quarterback that the Giants can have. I do, yes. It's a competitive league.

So, you know, the best way to handle that, I think, is to focus on what I'm doing, focus on myself, and making sure that I'm, you know, one healthy and then ready to play. play good football. So, you know, that's what I can control. That's what I can do to help myself and the team. So if you're watching at home, I'm sure you saw the look. He had the white eyes when asked about, did you see? No, I did. What'd you make of it? It's just a tough spot for the guy. Listen, I'm not the biggest Daniel Jones fan, as you know. I'm trying to look up what his major was in college. It probably doesn't matter. He looks like a smart individual. He has to know what's up. Of course he does.

You were great with Sequin. We've moved off Sequin. You're next. Yeah. I mean, that's... I don't mean to be harsh, but like... Well, if Schrager's right, so you're talking about a team that really

is at the bottom of the league with Carolina for offensive weapons, and you're going to give up picks to get J.J. McCarthy. And now you got a quarterback room that's... Yeah, you stood... Davel stood pat for Josh Allen in Buffalo. Okay? Now you're trading up for J.J. McCartney? You said it.

You say it all the time. Three or four quarterbacks in the top ten. There's going to be a bust or two. And I think... Hey, Carolina was a weak roster. They gave up a bunch of picks to go up. And then you got a quarterback and you're like, they have no players. We just saw this.

The Giants need players and a new quarterback. You got to make a pick on... I mean, to me, they just... Carolina, New England and the Giants. You need more good players. And I'm talking like seven new, really good hits in the drafts. seven hits, which you can do. I mean, the Texans have done it.

I mean, I've seen a lot of team. You can have great draft. Seahawks had one a couple years ago. They hit on five, six guys. But I'm trading up, so I'm giving up multiple picks. I don't have enough dudes. Final story. This is fun. So Team USA Hoops, been a big topic all show. They got the roster, loaded beyond belief. Better than the dream team.

LeBron, Steph, KD. Tatum, obviously the headliners. But there's one spot available. Now, according to Shom Sharania, Kauai Leonard is the leading candidate. but we know his health is always an issue, Colin. So here are some names to potentially fill that last spot. We got Jalen Brunson, who's been a rock star this year, your buddy, Draymond, Draymond, Austin Reeves, the legend, Jimmy Butler,

Trey Young, who is an extraordinary player and is like not even in consideration, really. Jalen Brown, Kyrie Irving, Deeran Fox, Chet Holmgren, Chet Holmgren is spicy. Damian Lillard, Donovan Mitchell. I'm glad that they put Chad Holmgren on this list because the more you think he would

like what if he has an amazing rounder two in playoffs? He's a different body type so I like he was just a different dude I was leaning heavily on another wing for this because they only really have LeBron Tatum and KD on the wing two of those guys are 35 or older

I'm sort of over relying on Kauai is that a reasonable take like at some point it's on me Like to me, if I'm Balmer, I'm sitting there, do you remember that press conference four years ago when he showed up how crazy he was? Mount Balmer erupting. Like Microsoft, his reputation was high energy, high intensity.

Now, he's got a really good front office. I love his coach. I love his president. Lawrence, Frank, Tyloo. And there's Paul George, I'm a fan of. But, well, this thing hasn't, you can control engineers a lot easier than NBA stars because this thing hasn't worked. Well, you mentioned Paul Georgian, like, 10 years ago, he was with the Pacers, went out for, like, USA basketball and had that gruesome broken leg.

He's a free agent. I don't see him coming out for this team. I don't know. I mean, they're not going to invite Kyrie Irving. He's too potentially toxic. I actually think Chet Holmgren is really an interesting name. Can play multiple positions, can hit threes. I had not really considered him beyond five seconds ago.

How about that, Wembe and Chet Holmgren in the West for the next decade? Yeah. I mean, I think because of Wemby's defensive dominance, people have not paid a ton of attention to small market OKC. Holmgren had a great year. He did. They're a fun watch. I don't know how far they'll go in the playoffs. OKC's a fun watch.

They should win around, although the Warriors could push them. It's interesting. What did you say about Balmer? He was like a volcano kind of? Well, I mean, he was known as a, I mean, he would do these speeches. Bill Gates would step aside. He would do these speeches where he was sopping wet and he was getting everybody fired up. And he had this press conference when he took over the Clippers, and it was contagious.

Yeah. And it was funny because, you know, he was funny because. years and years ago before he, when he was in Seattle, because I'm from the Northwest, I had asked a buddy of mine in the financial world about him, and he said, oh, he's a basketball junkie. Like he goes to high school games in Seattle. He was a huge basketball junkie. So, I mean, Balmer's really into the game.

He's like Mark Cuban. Mark loved the game. A lot of these guys love the finances. Balmer loves the game. So basically, I'm like Balmer. Volcanic takes, exciting. I sweat sometimes during the show. I just don't have the billions of dollars, right?

I don't see you, too, is the same. Very similar, just without the money. I think there's a few others. I'm a little in better shape, but... Yeah, okay. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd Lie News. Fun show today. Boy, Jordan Palmer had... I'm going to put that on the podcast. If you didn't hear Jordan Palmer, just several really good takes on these quarterbacks. And his concern... I thought the J.J. McCarthy comments by him were right on,

where he said in the NFL, Well, even Lamar Jackson will not know in warm-ups if his run game will work. You have no idea. In Michigan, every game he knew, JJ, I could throw like six times. The running game's going to work. And that's the difference. In the NFL, you just don't know until the game starts. And there's always games.

I mean, for years and years, the bad Jags would give the good Colts fits. Like there's weird matchups in this league where you just can't figure it out. Miami for years gave good, New England teams. fence. There are just match-up issues in this league that, I mean, the Rams last year were supposed to be in a rebuild, walked up to very good playoff Seattle, and hammered them in the Pacific Northwest in the opening week last year. And you're like, what? The Rams have nothing but kids on defense. So it's such a situational league and a match-up league is I think that was one of the better points in a while on the show that J.J. McCarthy, he knew exactly

what he had every game at Michigan. And in the NFL, even good teams, you have no idea what's going to work. Brady got to a Super Bowl against the Giants, and nothing worked. They had Randy Moss, couldn't move the ball. They had played him a month earlier and could move the ball.

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