The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Urban Meyer joins The Herd

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

3-time National Champion Urban Meyer joins the show to preview what Texas and Oklahoma can expect from their first season in the SECSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Heart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. We're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right. Been looking forward to this all day. There's so many moving parts in college football. We have a 12-team playoff. Do you coach differently going into a 12-team playoff? When you know if you're in Ohio State or a Texas, you may have four of your biggest games

are at the very end of the season. Texas, Oklahoma move into a different conference. The SEC is a totally different. physical reality than the Big 12. Pack 12 moves Midwest. I don't think they're going to cower and fear, but I do think it's different football. And who would know more about a guy that was coach of the year?

Urban Meyer was 83 and 9 in the Big 10. One Natty's down in the SEC, and he joins us live, Fox Sports, 17 years, Hall of Fame coach. So this is so exciting to me. I've never been this excited about a college football season in my life. So, you know there's a certain brand, you know it better than anybody. There's Big Ten football. All I hear from Big Ten fans is, oh, those poor West Coast teams.

And I'm like, slow down. They're pretty good out West too. They offer different. So as a Big Ten coach, and now you have Oregon, Washington, SC, what would you be concerned about? How would you look at West Coast teams and say, hey, we're not, we may have to alter recruiting a little bit? You know, my last two years, we played USC in the Cotton Bowl. And that way we had an opportunity to watch all their film all season long. And then my final season in 18, we played Washington in the Rose Bowl.

And so you got a really good feel. And it's changed a little bit. But the one thing that I'll tell you about the Pac-12, and obviously it's disappeared. And ironically, that was arguably the best, I think was the best conference in college football last year. And now it's gone. But the difference between the PAC-12. and the Big Ten back when I was there and talking to coaches was the line of scrimmage. The Big Ten, certainly the top half of the league has better offensive defense alignment

than I saw in the Pac-12. And that's as far as skill, quarterback play, skilled athletes on defense, I think, you know, certainly the four teams coming in the Big Ten, they have that skill. But the question I have is will they have the guys up front to compete at the highest level? Because they're going to jump right in and be one of the top half of the Big Ten. But those teams at the top of the Big Ten, the offensive and defense lines are pretty rugged. So Ohio State's fascinating. I've said they're talented, but I'm not always sure offensively what they are.

So they go get Chip Kelly. And it's funny, UCLA, the baby blue uniforms make you think they're finesse. Chip loves to run the ball. Chip would run it 70 times a game if he could. I think he's sort of the missing elixir. I think he's the missing piece for this offense, which in my opinion, is prettier than it's ever been, but I'm not sure it's as physical and as tough as urban offenses.

Give me your thoughts on what Chip does to Ryan Day's offense. I'll tell you, Colin, this is something for you to really watch closely. I know we will at Big New Kickoff. But Chip Kelly, you know, I've known Chip forever. We're very close. We spent a lot of time together growing up in the spread offense. And his philosophy back in the day at Oregon as a head coach as a coordinator was go as fast as you can.

That evolved when he went to the NFL, and it's really evolved when he went to UCLA. He is now the perfect play guy. He's a guy that's going to huddle, take their time and get the perfect play on that. That is drastically different than what he was as a head coach at Oregon. I'm anxious to see it. You know, I've watched some UCLA film.

They are very physical. They do believe in running a ball. They believe they get the quarterback involved. And Will Howard is, I met him when I was in Columbus. What a great looking guy he is, and I understand he's really fast and athletic and on videotape. He looks that way. But this Chip Kelly offense is completely different than the so-called radical offense that he ran when he was the head coach at Oregon.

This is completely different. And I do believe it's going to help Ohio State. They got the quarterback, I think, that fits this scheme. By the way, I think it's remarkable. Big Ten fans may not know this. How many of those UCLA three-star recruits got drafted? UCLA did a really shockingly good job. USC's recruits got the stars.

Chip put more guys in the pros. And so again, he is a job. It's really, I mean, Chip and I've had this conversation. You can't even believe how many Bruins end up in the pros and being high-end players. So I want to go to the 12-team playoff. This is now, Urban, this is like the NFL.

It's a semi-NFL structure. And I do wonder if you would get late, in the year, you're banged up, you've got injuries, you want to hide some stuff. Would you coach a little differently knowing your toughest four games could be your last four? You know, I went out to Utah, to watch spring practice and speak to the team. I went out to Oregon, but Dan Lanny's become a good friend and spent time with his team. And then I did the spring game, and obviously I'm close with Ryan Day.

And I've talked to a couple guys about, I don't believe anyone's going into that mindset. This is uncharted waters for college football coaches. a 12-team play-up. I can't, you almost sent chills down my spine when you said, you coach differently and maybe give away a game. You know, in college, you don't do that. College used to be the BCS 2 teams and the playoff four teams, and you can't stub your toe.

You know, that happened a couple of times. We had one loss and we didn't make the playoff. So I don't know. I can't answer that. I don't think anybody can right now until we get a couple of years under a belt in a 12-teed playoff. So Texas has a great roster. The difference from the Big 12 to the SEC is, you know, you can go to Columbia, Missouri,

and all of a sudden you got NFL linemen up in your grill. It's a totally different. I mean, I saw Georgia go to Missouri like two years ago and get pushed all over the field for three hours and escape with a win. I don't think Texas and Oklahoma quite understand. I think it's easier for Pac-12 teams to go a little east. I don't think Texas, Oklahoma understand what it, Ole Miss, LSU, Florida, Missouri, even a Kentucky. You tell me, you were in that.

It's like there are no days off. Even the bad teams have 88,000 in their stadium. Yeah. And they're budgeted to win a national championship. I got educated at the SEC in 2005. And when I was in Florida and we played Tennessee in the swamp. And I looked out there and there's a big men. that I mean, once again,

the line is, everybody's going to have really good skill. You know, some teams have elite, but everybody's got good skill. The difference, Colin, is that damn defense align and linebackers, the way they run in the South and the SEC, and the way they take their football. So there's, I count eight. Now you add Texas and Oklahoma. I count 10 teams that really, they're alumni,

they're budgeted, and their fans expect them to compete for a national title. In the big 10, you know, you got Ohio State and Wolverines, you got Penn State, and now I put USC in that category. Oregon is getting close. You know, they played in a couple national championship games, so they're very, very close. Washington played in a championship game. They're very close, but until you win that darn thing,

you know, I don't know if you can put them up there. So I think the SEC is a whole different level as far as top the bottom. Now, the top teams of the Big Ten, good as anybody. That proved that last year. The Wolverine team was one of the best teams in the last 10 years. Ohio State has arguably the big. best roster in college football. However, week in, week out, Texas

and Oklahoma, I got respect for those programs and those coaches, but it's going to be something they've not experienced. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but yeah, yeah, yeah. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations

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thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I said this about Lincoln Riley. I said, go look at Jim Harbonne, Brian Kelly.

And Lincoln Riley. Lincoln Riley was a play from 12 wins his first year. They took over a four-and-eight program with about 28 guys that could play, and they were a play from 12. But if you watched them, they didn't look like a 12-win team. Harbaugh took a team from Brady Hope first year. They won 10. And they had a nice tight end.

And they had a couple, you know, but it was a lot of ham and egg. It was like, they don't look like Ohio State. I don't care what their win. They don't look like Alabama. Brian Kelly got to a natty with Mantau, Tao. And I'm like, I watch the games. I'm like, that's not an SEC. It's scheduling and winning close games.

And I said this with Lincoln Riley. They don't look like a national championship team that it's so hard to get two deeps where the backups are just NFLers. They're just not, you know, they're two years away. I think USC is going to go in and win about seven, eight games. I don't think they'll beat Penn State. I don't think they'll beat Notre Dame. I don't think they'll beat LSU. I think they can win eight.

But even with the transfer portal, which everybody thinks that's magic, it solves everything, Brian Kelly found out you can't build a culture around a portal overnight. What is reasonable, even for a big brand, to be able to go into a program and have, not win 10 games, a natty roster that can go toe to toe with Georgia? I go back to when I walk on a practice field, and I used to do this when I was a head coach, I'd walk in pregame, and I was so mesmerized by, I would just, because I was an offensive coach, I would stare at that defensive line. And at the end of the day, if you do not have that, you're not, it's not going to happen.

A matter of fact, I think if you get exposed in a really good conference without a defensive front, that's going to be a really bad year for you. And I would just, the way I was raised, the way I was raised in this great game, and I do it now whenever I go to games and I'm getting ready to Fox broadcast a game, the first thing I do is I flip on that film and I stare at that defense line. And if you got the Chase Yan, Nick Bosa, Joe Boses, et cetera, those kind of guys, that's like things are going to look really good for. You look at Georgia over the years.

They've had really good quarterbacks. I mean, that's, that's in Bennett. My goodness, won a national championship. But that's not what won in a national player. And he's surrounded by great players. But the end of the day, you have to have those guys on the defense line. And I've coached against USC. I was on the sideline when they played Utah for the,

what was a Pac-12 championship. And they did not look, I agree with you. They did not look like it. They look like it as quarterback and skill, but we all know what happens when it gets to November. Quarterbacks in the skill, that's not what wins it for you. All right.

So give me a surprise team in the new Big Ten. I know I've got one. Give me a surprise team that you've either been to practice, you know the coach. You don't, you know, there's, I think Nebraska could be very, interesting. Nebraska's interesting to me. What do you think? Yeah, you stole my thunder. I got a lot of respect. People know this. I'm a Nebraska fan. You know, if I was a player, I'd love to go Nebraska instead. History, the stadium,

the fans are incredible. We coached out there and they've been really down for several years. And I was shocked when I, on the sideline a couple of times, we played against them. And, you know, you talk about a team that didn't look like a Nebraska vote. I just think he's recruited well. You know, they got the transfer quarterback that, uh, Dylan that is a really good player. I like their coach. Their coach knows how to win. He's won at every level.

There's a difference between winning and then winning at every level. And that's why I got a lot of respect for that role. So Nebraska would be my team. They're not good enough, Colin, to win it. But they're good enough to make some noise. All right. By the way, the summer's almost over. You've got to have to put the golf clubs away a little bit.

None of this cushy lifestyle nonsense. Are you ready to put the time in now, Coach? I'll tell you, it's been cushy, man. I mean, it's been, I've been fly fishing in Montana. I've been a member guest in Cordelaine, Idaho. So, yeah, I'm back in the heat of Florida. I'm down to my office here, and I'm starting to watch film, but I'm ready to go. Great seeing you.

So much fun for me. Thanks, coach. So good to see you. So Urban Meyer. Yeah, I'm, I'm so excited. And to his point, those D-Lines, that's what I, I look at, you know, to USC, you think I'm a USC homer, but they don't have a good enough. defensive line. So that's what's going to

They're not going to beat Notre Dame, not going to be Penn State. Keep your eye on the Nebraska game. LSU, no. I do think they'll beat Michigan, maybe. But they just don't have the defensive front. And I think you can get away with that in Big 12 maybe ACC a little. You're not getting away with that in the SEC or the Big Ten. You're just not getting. They just don't have the folks.

J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. One of your favorite young quarterbacks in the league, Bo Nix had an impressive preseason game. Very. But guess what?

Denver has yet to name a starting quarterback for week one. Big matchup in Seattle. It'll be a tough one. Mike McDonald, the defensive guru, if you will. Cheers Sean Payton into not rushing into a final decision at quarterback. It's a good group to work with, and I know the offensive coaches feel that way. I feel that way. I like where we're at right now.

And that's encouraging for our team. That's encouraging for the team. Because when that's unsettled and maybe not as far along, then there's a lot of things you can do well. And yet the team sees that there's a ceiling maybe on what you can do. Be careful with that first matchup against McDonald and Seattle. He's a very good defensive coordinator. They bottled up some of the best offenses in the league last year.

Rookie quarterback. Yeah, if I'm Bo Nicks, like I'm excited, I'd want to start, obviously. but that is a difficult draw. And then week two against T.J. Watt, Todd Bowles, jets. That is a tough schedule for you. I see a lot of October Ws for Denver. Go ahead. Fill me in. Which ones?

I don't see them. Raiders. We'll give you that. Saints. Panthers. New Orleans can be difficult to win. You were the one who just said the Panthers' depth chart is all of a sudden rejuvenated. Well, they're not going to go to Denver and win.

I see another. Raider win. They'll beat by Atlanta at home. Did you say they'll beat by? Colts at home. Desperate. Colts at home. I see 7-8 wins there. 7-8. Oh dear.

Let's move on to Matthew Judon, the big trade, the Patriots made, got off the defensive end who I guess he turns 32 today. Now lands with the Falcons. But here's another angle to the story. Jonathan Jones of CBS reports, there is no agreement

in place on a new deal with the Falcons and that there's no feeling that a deal is imminent. This has kind of shades of the Hassan Reddick situation. Obviously, you want to sign Juddok. I like the idea that the Falcons are kind of going all in. I looked at their pass rush. Atlanta does not have one. Grady Jarrett's not a pass rush.

They've been looking for a pass rush for years. They've got the offense solved. They're in good space offensively. We think. No, no. It's hard to have a great O line and not win games. games in a bad division. It's hard. I mean, Detroit, got that old line. Suddenly it was like, oh, the golf criticism disappeared. No, no. Stop. Golf has always been better than her cousins.

Yes, I agree with that. Finally, you've come around on that. I've been a little late on golf, and I feel bad because he's not a neighbor, but he lives kind of nearest. I see him in the Supermodel girlfriend. You guys do not live close. You can keep telling the audience you live close. You know, how many times I've seen him at the coffee shop downtown? Now, I don't say anything. I saw LeBron at a coffee shop. You don't live close. Like seven blocks from my house, bro.

Come on. We're not neighbors yet. He's building a massive mansion. Now that's super close. You know well because you're Mr. Real Estate. All right. Final story, Colin. This is the crappy when Buffalo Bills fans are having a rough morning.

All pro linebacker Matt Milano out indefinitely after suffering a torn bicep this week. He didn't play, remember last season after week five when he suffered a fractured leg, just an unlucky stretch for the talented linebacker. He's excellent in coverage. He's basically a leader. Remember, they both their safeties, kind of aged out, if you will. And they moved on. Buffalo is four straight AFC East titles, five straight seasons with 10 or more wins.

I'm telling you, the streak is over. The Jets are winning the division. You and I need some sort of, whether it's a sandwich bed, an alcohol bet, a steak dinner, whatever you want. The Jets are winning this division. This Milano loss is massive. He's not worth half a point a game. No, he's not.

No linebacker in the game is. Maybe Lawrence Taylor and Josh Allen. Cook. Two good tight ends. James Cook. He's a nice player. He's good. He's very good.

We got some stats here on the Bill's defensive ranks. Last season, with Milano, they were elite. Look at all those takeaways in sacks. Then Milano dips out due to the injury and they fall back. He's a very, very good player. He's excellent. He's like Roquan Smith or Fred Warner. He is a, he is a, he is a,

Jump off the television to Mario Davis. He's everywhere. He's everywhere. Great player. We need you to get like the five hottest crazy takes for the potential NFL season. I already have one that I cooked up last night. I'm saving it. I'm saving it for when I host, you know, when you're, because you're dipping out.

Are we doing the show tomorrow? We are, right? So you have tomorrow's headlines today tomorrow? Yeah, but that doesn't involve this insane. What are you doing tomorrow? What did you cook up for tomorrow? Oh, we got some headline takes that you're going to enjoy as usual. Yeah, I don't know if we could top last weeks, which were just off the charts good.

You were dying of laughter. Could have been the gum or my funny jokes. Yeah, I didn't do gum today. Is that why you're a little lethargic? I don't feel great today. I stayed up a little past. Oh, past your bedtime. Yeah.

You know, I'm a gamer, but I could have gone IR today, 15-day, DL. Just call it. I'm out. I can't. I got to go see this company. Right after the show, I'm going to see this new amazing immersion. company in LA. I'm so excited. Is it located at the airport? I mean, that would just be

two worlds colliding. Immersion and airport. It's very close to SoFi Stadium. Could it be involving the Clippers owner, the billionaire? Nope. I know you hang with a lot of billionaires. The Clippers owner was there recently, checking it out. Look at the circles you're floating around in.

It's not circles. I'm just going to a same parking space that he was in. J. Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie new. to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me, three-time pro-volo LaVore Arrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called Up on Game.

What is Up on Game, you ask? Along with my fellow Pro Bowler, T.J. Hushman Zada, and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right. Plexico Burris. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game. We're going to be sharing our real-life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up On Game with me, LaVar Arington, T.J. Hushmanzada, and Plexico Burris on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast from. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me, Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health,

purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day But just so y'all know I mean at this point Mark this is the second episode where we've discussed crack So I'm starting to see that there's a through line We also have AIDS on the table right now

So Thank you finishing that sentence And yes I don't think there's a more important year For black people Really? Yeah For me it's one of the most important years

For black people in American history Listen to look back at it On the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcast Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tript Fontaine, Ryan Clark.

Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid?

Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way.

Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away,

such as the biology of tantons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Tonight, baseball is on FS1 as Corey Seeger leads to Rangers against Carlos Santana and the Twins. coverage begins at 7 p.m. Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Maricio Pochitino is the new coach of the United States men's national team. Greg Burhalter out, not aggressive enough.

and so we brought in Alexei Lawless, what should fans of our lads think about the hire? I think when you're looking at this particular hire, I think it's important to note again. He is not coached internationally, and that's not a problem necessarily. You look at Argentina, their coach hadn't coached internationally. He took to him, obviously.

Now, he's coaching Messi in Argentina, so this is a different situation. I think that's where it gets into, you know, the interesting conversation, because this coach that you are looking at right here, in his club's success, day after day, he is with these players. In an international setting, you do not have that. Sometimes you have one or two trainings.

Sometimes you have hours with these players. And so the detail-oriented nature of Pocitino, which is what he is known for, high-pressing, high fitness, that's all fine and well, but he's going to have to switch his mind, a very smart man and a very smart coach, but switch his mind to be able to impart information very, very quickly. And I think that's the big question is in a very short period of time,

not just the less than two years to the summer, but in a short period of time that he's going to get with these players, what is he going to tell them? Because he can't do it day in and day out. He can't see those building blocks happening day in and day out. It's got to be raw. It's got to be ruthless to your point. And I think it does have to be, for lack of a better word,

simplified in what he wants to do. and you can't do what you do in a club situation with a national team, in particular in this type of situation. I think this is very well stated. You've got a lot to do very quickly, and you don't get the access to the players that you would a college football coach taking over a program. So if you were taking it over and you could give him two pieces of advice, now I'm talking on personnel, not the landmines politically.

Sure. And you said, listen, he was flying in for the job and you happened to be sitting right. right next to him. I imagine it would be in comfort class. And you'd be sitting with him. And he said, hey, just give me two things about personnel, two truths about personnel, about our players. What would they be? I think these players not only need, but I think they want somebody to come in and kick their ass. I think they want somebody that doesn't suffer fools. I think they want to be challenged. And while they may say they want this, in reality, when it happens, it might be a shock to the system, but it's the best shock to the system that this players. We have, I don't want to use the

word coddled, but we have given everything to this generation. And I'm glad. It's a good thing, because I think it's going to produce better soccer players. But to your point, what you started out, there also has to be a level of, for lack of a better word, grits, and all these different things that we talk about, and I've associated with this team. And I think he can come in and say, you know what? Again, there are no sacred cows. I don't care what you did before. I don't care how much money you make. I don't care where you play. I don't care who your girlfriend is. I don't care how many followers you have on social media. You need to be able to do it and it's a wide open field. You want that ruthlessness and Tyler Adams, one of our good players, has talked about kind of

the reality that Greg Berhalter certainly at the end kind of gave them whatever they wanted. And sometimes players do need a kick in the ass. I think these players need a big old kick in the ass. Okay, G. O'Rena and Burrhalter had a falling out. To me, I view that as, okay, A little bit of a mutiny behind the scenes. A dad can be involved. Is it fair to blame Burrhalter mishandling that situation? Or, I mean, that from, you know, I'm watching and reading stuff. I'm not with the team, just like NFL.

I'm not in the locker room. That situation. Was that Burrhalter's undoing, because he won almost 68% of his games, was it the Gio-Rena situation that undid him? No, I don't think the Giorina is just a situation has anything to do with that. I actually think that he handled that better than. most. Okay. Because that got a lot of pushback. Yeah, but I think ultimately, I think this comes down to not winning. And so when it comes to Pochitino, if he is the coach here, it's going to be down

to winning. You know, it's going to be down, he doesn't speak a lot of English and he doesn't speak, the English that he does speak isn't great. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But again, I kind of want somebody that is going to inspire, and you can inspire in different ways. And I want that ambassador and that pioneer and that person that is going to go out there. And you can inspire. And you and be in front of everybody, including the American public, and get us excited about what is coming in 2026. So let me ask you, one of the knocks on Burrholt, or for years and years I've said,

we don't play like Argentina because we don't have those ingredients, right? Like even Gordon Ramsey, day old bagels, has limitations, okay? So now I do think our skill level, and maybe I'm hyperbolic here, I do think we have multiple players in Europe flourishing. I do think it was, and this is no affront to what you provided, but I thought we had to play with a level of physicality and grit because we lacked certain things 20 years ago. Sure. I don't think we lack a lot.

We may not be Argentina or Spain, but we can go to toe to tell. And Burrhalter, the knock on him at the end was, well, he's playing stylistically like we don't have talent. And we should be more aggressive. Is that a fair criticism? That may be a fair criticism, but it should also be noted. I think what Burrhalter wanted when he came in and what he was at the end were two different things. I think he was much more of an idealist when he started and much more pragmatic when he finished. And maybe to your point, there's a criticism in that, in that he wasn't ultimately a true believer.

He wasn't a cheerleader. He betrayed his ethos ultimately. And it cost him his job. So if Pocetino comes in, he's going to have to very, very quickly suss out what this team is and what this team isn't. And what they are is talented and disappointing. So Alexi Lala stopped by. Urban Meyer was money. Greg Bedard came by.

How about the Bedard comment two and a half hours ago? Drake May may not be even as polished as New England thought, and they knew he was a project. Hold on. Let me ask you this. If Drake May was such a project, why was your guy the tall Sean McVeigh in Minnesota trying like hell to trade up for him? Smart offensive mind.

Drake May, he's got it. We want him. We want him. We want to go up. And the Patriots are like, oh, I don't know if this guy's any good. Are you seeing a little bit of a disconnect there? Who do you trust? This new Patriot staff or Kevin O'Connell?

Kevin O'Connell offensively. But my take is, how do we know that's true? That they wanted to be trade up for? I heard they could have. They traded up from J.J. McCarthy. They could have traded up. Well, they would have had to give up the farm. And like, I don't think you want to do that.

If Kevin O'Connell thought he had magic, they would trade. No, no. Their GM is very analytically based. They're not going to get hood. winked on a trade. I'll say this. If all of a sudden, Drake, if the Patriots get the number one pick and Drake May hits the market like I were going to move off him, I guarantee you there's some suitors. Well, I think there would be. I don't think as many as you think. By the way, here's Greg Bedard, who goes to every Patriots practice on Drake May. I kind of think the Patriots have done a disservice not coming out after he was drafted or early on in the process and saying like,

look, because I went back and I listened to Andy Reid after they drafted Patrick Mahomes. Of course, they had Alex Smith, who was way better than Jacoby Berset. And Andy Reid said, look, he's going to sit. He's got a lot of work to do. We need to fix a lot of things. But, you know, it's Alex Smith as a starting quarterback of this team. And I think if the Patriots came out and laid those expectations where this is the path that we think he needs to be on to be the long-term franchise quarterback for this team, I think people would look at things a little bit differently.

Of the many reasons this is tough for Drake May is we have proof that offensive coaches are better equipped to develop raw or rough around the edges young quarterbacks. Now, a star goes to any coach. Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, stars are stars. But I don't think there's any question that an offensive coach generally, if he, or a defensive coach, or a defensive coach, with a great OC. The problem is, D'emico Ryan says a great OC. He's gone in two years.

He may be gone after this year. So the problem is, as a defensive coach, you have to, like, keep hiring great OCs if you've got to be quarterback. Whereas an offensive coach can say, I'll take it from here.

And I mean, I've talked to these quarterbacks. I mean, Brady will tell you, Belichick didn't even talk the offensive language. He only dealt with Josh McDaniels. Let me give you a take here. How's this? So Patriots get the number one pick.

They circle Beck. They want him. They're moving off Drake May. 49ers. We like Brock Purdy. We're not paying him $55 million a year. We will reset the quarterback room with Drake May, who's on his rookie contract, and we will move on from Brock Purdy.

How's that for a take? Someone eventually is going to do that. They're not going to pay their quarterback, and they're going to go with somebody on a rookie deal. And would the 49ers risk that? enables you to keep all your horses, right? You don't have to worry about moving off Debo. You paid Iyuk. They're going to pay him. Drake May and San Francisco?

Well, we've said before that the Niners' heartbeat is Shanahan, McCaffrey, Trent Williams, Bosa, Kittle. That's the heartbeat. Iyuk's talented. Brock Purdy is more than capable. But it's a physical football team. I do think

Brock Purdy is a starter in this league. But he's not a winner to this level in the league without this coach and this roster. But he looks like he makes good decisions. I also, let's see him in a late game sloppy weather. He's very, very lucky where the NFC's best teams are mild weather or domes. Wait, you mean like both playoff games against the Packers and Lions when he had to come back in the second half to lead his team to victory?

Brock Purdy did that. You know, be careful about leading his team. I know he was at home, but by the way, how about your guy, Jared Gough, 14 of his 17 games this season or in a dome. 14 of 17. Like, that's very favorable for him. Well, they're favored to be in the number two seed, aren't they? It might be the number one seed.

Eagles or lions. All right. I'm going to go home, hydrate chicken soup, and bring my A game for tomorrow. I was on my B game. Thank God, Alexi Lollis, Greg Bedard. and Urban Meyer all crushed. I was like a starter. I got four endings.

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