The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Warriors

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

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Starting point is 00:02:15 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Hurd. Now let's get this party. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. He's a Hall of Famer, co-owner of the Hawks, CBS basketball analyst, got a new autobiography out called Game, an Autobiography, Duke, the NBA, and beyond an absolute legend. I saw him as a freshman playing a championship game against UNLV.
Starting point is 00:03:04 I was a sports reporter in Vegas, and Grant Hill was guarding Stacey Ogman. And it was Stacey Ogman's worst game as a college basketball player. Grant and the Dukies won it that year. How vividly do you remember that game because you've played so many? You know, I do remember that game. I remember the anticipation leading up to it. Vegas, UNLV was undefeated, so dominant that season, returning, you know, pretty much everybody from the championship team the year before.
Starting point is 00:03:33 But what I remember the most was that I had a horrible haircut. And like the absolute worst time. have a bad hair day or a bad hair weekend. And then we go and win, which is a great thing. But I have to relive every time I see that game or a highlight from that Final Four, or even if I think about that Final Four, I think about the bad haircut, which I talk about getting in my book. It's a hilarious story that I detail exactly what happened with my bad haircut.
Starting point is 00:04:08 By the way, you also tell a story, and I want you to take your time and share it the audience, you were part of a handful of college players who were invited to beautiful La Jolla, California, about two hours south of here in L.A. And you were, as the dream team was getting put together, they got you guys and said, hey, why don't you go down there and practice against Michael and all these guys? Tell the story. Yes, you said it best. Me along with seven other college players, Bobby Hurley, Chris Weber, Penny Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn, the name a few. We were brought in as the sacrificial lambs who helped prepare the Olympic dream team in 92. We were in La Jolla. And that first day, I remember Roy Williams, who was then at Kansas, was our coach.
Starting point is 00:04:54 And they wanted us to come out, play fast, shoot a lot of three-pointers, and really give them a sense of what they'll face on international play and international play. And Allen Houston caught fire. I was guarding Michael Jordan out the gate, and we beat them the first day. We're the only team to beat the greatest team ever assembled. And it was one of the highlights of my career. And now, they came back and beat us the next three days. We couldn't get the ball over half-court. But that first day, we won.
Starting point is 00:05:30 I think you guarded Michael Jordan, didn't you? I did. I guarded Michael. It's funny. the first time I come out, I'm trying to deny him the ball. And Michael says, Dookie, I can get the ball whenever I want and do what I want with it. And he was probably right. He probably was.
Starting point is 00:05:49 You know, you had this great NBA career, and you're one of those guys that would, you know, if you came out today, you'd be able to adapt. You can score in transition. You're long, you're agile. You can defend multi-positions. The game has gotten more international. It's never been more skill. You know, do you love the NBA game today? Because I think it's that, you know, people can complain about the NBA.
Starting point is 00:06:14 It's too power star-driven. I look at it and I've never, I think it's the most skilled league period, including football in the world. You know what it is. The game has evolved. And certainly, you know, rules have changed. And you can talk about maybe the physicality not being, you know, what it was years ago. But the skill level and the talent and the amount of rules. work that these players put into perfecting their craft. It's really out of this world. You think about
Starting point is 00:06:43 the MVP race this year. You think about Yokic, you think about M.B. You think about Anta Kumpo, just to name three. First of all, three guys that have really helped sort of revolutionize what big guys can do in the NBA. There are three guys that are all born in foreign countries. So it speaks to the globalization of the sport and how the sport, because of that 92 team and the success that Dream Team had, how they've been able to grow the sport all over the world. But the game is so much fun, the talent, the skill level. And I find these playoffs have been entertaining. I've enjoyed watching them and also broadcasting and calling them as well. You know Doc Rivers, Steve Kerr, Coach Kay.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Did you ever envision? I covered Steve in Portland. Did you ever envision Steve Kerr being this great of a coach? He was a terrific broadcaster, great shooter. He was an executive for a while. Did you ever envision him having this aptitude as a coach? No. You know, I mean, I've worked with Steve in Phoenix.
Starting point is 00:07:52 He was the general manager those years for three years that I was there in Phoenix. And he had great people skills, and he knew how to say the right thing. His communication skills were incredible. obviously great basketball intellect. But I never thought he had any desire to be a coach, and let alone have this Hall of Fame coaching career that he's had, you know, just within 10 years in his coaching career. I used to joke with him.
Starting point is 00:08:20 You know, everybody back in the 90s wanted to be like Mike, but in retirement, we all want to be like Steve. You know, and he's been a broadcaster, he's been an owner, he's been a GM, he's been a coach. He seems to have done everything well. And he's one of the few people. Think about it. He has been in a finals, either as a player or as a coach, now in four decades. He was there in the 90s with the Bulls, in the early 2000s as a player with the Spurs. Of course, from 2010 to 2020, the great run in 15, 17 and 18 with the, you know, with the warriors. And then now. And so his longevity, his success, his intellect.
Starting point is 00:09:04 That's why I tapped him to be the head coach for USA basketball and the men's national team for the World Cup next summer and the Olympics in 2024. So we're looking at the finals. My takeaway in the finals is pretty simple, is that Boston's just getting more production both ends of the floor from both players. And people are saying, Draymond's not playing well.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Well, either is Jordan Poole, either is Clay Thompson. And the reality is outside of Steph Curry, when you face a great defense, you could be a quarterback, you could be a basketball player. There's a handful of all-time greats. Michael Jordan was great against everybody. But a great defense takes B-plus guys and shrinks them. And I don't see a way out for Golden State. Everybody likes the Warriors tonight. And I think the Celtics have more good players in their prime athletically.
Starting point is 00:09:53 And I think the young warriors aren't quite there yet. Kaminga, Moody. They're just not ready for the moment. I hate to say the series is over, but can I pick Golden State? But I just think they got more players in their prime and more productive guys that can come off the bench. Your thoughts on what you're watching? Well, you know, there's a lot of truth to what you're saying. You know, we look at the season that Golden State had.
Starting point is 00:10:18 We look at Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, Draymond Green, and we're like, oh, they've been there before. They're the favorites. But first of all, there's a lot of guys on that team who have done. not been there and are going through this for the first time. And, you know, it's this, this Boston team is really incredible. It's a beautiful story this year, sort of where they were, the struggles, they figured it out, the way they've knocked out some really good teams in the Eastern Conference. They play defense. They're long. They're, they're physical, and they play well together. And so I don't know who wins tonight.
Starting point is 00:10:59 But I will say that whoever wins tonight will win the series. I'm going to go out on the limb and say that. If Boston wins and they go up 3-1, then yes, they've done well on the road. They can easily win on the road in games five or game seven if need be. So, and then Golden State, if they can win tonight, I think they, you know, they win it out. And so that's a bold prediction, but I'm standing by that.
Starting point is 00:11:29 and we'll see if it plays out that way. What year did you retire? 2013. You retired, so let me ask you. LeBron had already been in the league at the end of your career, right? Right. Okay. You guarded Jordan.
Starting point is 00:11:48 You probably got matched up with LeBron. I'm not going to ask you who's better. But go to Jordan, go to LeBron. Did you defend him differently? Were you blown away by one of their assets? differently, just kind of juxtapose their talents and what was it like? Yeah, I mean, I didn't actually guard Jordan a lot. I guarded Pippin. I mean, he and I were matched up a tremendous amount, although I did at times switch out on Jordan. You know, at that point
Starting point is 00:12:14 in his career, he was so efficient. And his footwork, his skill, his fundamentals, you know, he got what he wanted. Yeah. And it was always a good shot. It was high percentage. He was constantly attacking you on both ends of the floor. LeBron was a little bit different. You know, LeBron didn't like to post up as much at that point. He liked to have the ball at the top. LeBron would beat you. He was just as dangerous with the pass as he was, you know, looking to score. And then one of the things I would try to do with LeBron is not let him get a full head of steam in transition. That's right. Because he's so dangerous. So when we would shoot the ball on offense, instead of going to the glass, I would just try to get attached to
Starting point is 00:13:02 LeBron. So he doesn't get a rebound and just, you know, run out. And once he gets in the open court, he's impossible to stop. So, you know, different strategies in terms of how you approach each guy, but certainly two of the best to ever do it, if not the best to ever do it. By the way, who was, I'll throw this at you. He's got a new autobiography. It's called game and autobiography. It just got released. I just got it in my office yesterday and I'm going to devour it this weekend. I like asking athletes this. Give me a guy I wouldn't suspect.
Starting point is 00:13:35 You were a seven-time All-Star Hall of Famer. The most underrated player you ever played that maybe wasn't an All-Star, but when you knew you were flying to that city, you were like, hey, yay, this guy's a headache. Oh, man. You know, for me, going back to my Detroit days when I was at that level as an All-Star, you know, a guy that really, and he may have been an all-star once or twice, but a guy that was just a load was Jamal Mashburn. Oh, yeah. And Jamal Mashburn, I mean, he scored 50 in the league back when teams were only scoring 80 points in the 90s.
Starting point is 00:14:14 But, I mean, he was physical, he was strong, he could shoot, he could post up, he had good handles. You know, he could flat out play, and he was difficult to guard and to defend. and was an underrated defender as well. Yeah. He's gone on to a very, I think he's gone on to a very lucrative post-basketball career, very sharp guy, Jamal Maspern, a very successful businessman, I do believe.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And he was a great high school. He went to Kentucky. He was a Kentucky Wildcat, yep. Grant Hill, Hall of Famer, the book, Game, and autobiography, I guarantee you. The stories are going to be fantastic. Duke, Coach K, the NBA, the Jordan Stories, and Beyond. Grant, an absolute pleasure.
Starting point is 00:14:56 honor to have you, my man. Thank you so much. Good luck to you and the Hawks. All right. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Take care. You bet. Jamal Mashburn. I remember, see, I know. I don't even want to date myself. I think he was the number one high school player in the country coming out of high school. And I think Grant was the number one high school player coming out. So that's why it was good. Now, one guy had a bigger NBA career. And a lot of that's who you're drafted by, who's your coach, who's the fit, all that stuff. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.
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Starting point is 00:19:11 well Devonze Adams is no longer a packer he is getting a new start with the Raiders and there were reports that he turned down more money from Green Bay to make the move that true and he finally addressed those rumors during his press conference yesterday. Oh. You guys have heard Green Bay offered this, which is hired and what I was, and all of that. And yeah, I'll say it was true. Okay. It was true. But like I said, there's much more that goes into it. And family is a big part of it for me. So geographically being here is it makes it a lot easier for me to stay connected to my family year around. And, you know, this isn't year two or I'm not trying to
Starting point is 00:19:49 necessarily fight for a job or anything like that to where, you know, you got to do what you got to do. you got to stay out there. You know, I had the choice, and the choice was for me to come here and, you know, raise my family on the West Coast and come out here and have some fun in the sun. What? What's the fun?
Starting point is 00:20:07 The fun in the sun. I'm sure Green Bay fans love that. Devante also said he and Rogers were in communication during the whole process and that Rogers respected and understood his decision to leave, which is not surprising. Did you hear Aaron's got a new girlfriend? I did not.
Starting point is 00:20:22 I am not up to date on the dating life of Aaron Rogers. And her name is Blue Earth or something like that. What? Well, it's called Blue. People are saying that it's Blue Earth. She has very ethereal.
Starting point is 00:20:37 Listen, I just read Instagram and the gossip columns. Okay. This seems like this could be something that maybe slipped by the meme meter. But there are several articles written about this. I miss this. Her name is.
Starting point is 00:20:53 No, it's blue. Earth. Yeah, Blue Earth. And she, I think she's got some business. It's about young people and the mind and very interesting. So he's got, she's not a celebrity, though. She's just, I'm so sad that you sent me down this wormhole. I've been completely distracted. Thank you for going to read that, Colin. Now, where did you find it? I mean, there's like lots of articles. I don't It's mainstream now. Yes, it's out there. So he is...
Starting point is 00:21:24 He's been linked to her. Blue Earth. Oh, God. You know what, though? He is very... You know, Aaron, he's a thinker. And Blue Earth is a thinker. I don't know if her last name is actually Earth.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Her name is Blue. Oh. From my very short... Well, how come the articles... Journalistic research. I don't know. I can't confirm that because you just sprung this on me. Maybe she likes the Earth.
Starting point is 00:21:46 She feeds off the gravitational pull of the Earth. Listen, we're in Los Angeles where you can literally walk on the street and people will sell you energy readings. I've literally seen a person with a table, with a tablecloth on top of it and a sign that said like, we'll read your energy for, or like your shock, realign your chakra or whatever for $10. They realign your chakras. I don't know. I can't get too far into that. It's like a chiropractic. You got to like just dip your toe in the crystals and chakra pool.
Starting point is 00:22:15 You get too crazy and then. I've heard the term though. Yeah. Realine your chakra. Like a chiropractor does your back. Yeah, you got to like realign your energy. You ever had Reiki done? Rakey?
Starting point is 00:22:25 Mm-hmm. I rakey the yard when it gets messy in the fall. Anyway, okay. So T. Dante Adams is with the Raiders now. So the Rams are looking to keep their Super Bowl momentum going into the 2020 season. They spent a lot of money this offseason. A lot, joy.
Starting point is 00:22:42 To keep their team together and bring in some other players. But team CEO, C-O, Kevin Demoff, knows that this level of spending is, probably not realistic long term. He said, I don't know that this is model in particular sustainable forever. To me, it's not about, oh, this is the model we will always have. I think her model has been being aggressive in order to build the best team that we can build. That is sustainable. I think everybody who joined the Rams
Starting point is 00:23:05 joined with this idea that we could be one of the best global sports franchises. Boom! One title doesn't get you there. But this is what, I like this quote from him because a lot of people do try to copy what the Rams do. And not everybody can do what the Rams do. They have the richest owner in the NFL. They can write a lot of guaranteed checks that everybody can't write. Now, that being said, there's also some flexibility with some
Starting point is 00:23:31 of these contracts and guys want to stay there. A Cooper Cup being one of them. He got 75 million guaranteed, three years, 80 million. So essentially a guaranteed contract, only about five million of his contract is guaranteed. So you have Matthew Stafford, Alan Robinson, Aaron Donald, Bobby Wagner, all signed big deals this offseason. These are all also not young players, and they're not necessarily long deals either. Cooper Cup, three million or three years, Alan Robinson, three years, Aaron Donald, three years. So this particular amount of money spent really is for the next three to four years of what the Rams are. Now, they've drafted very well. Right. So the question becomes when Jalen Rams eases up, do you, can you do that too? Because, well, yeah, I mean, you always want to keep tweaking,
Starting point is 00:24:17 which I think is what he's talking about. are an aggressive franchise, but what I like about what they do is they're pushing all their chips in at the right time. Don't spend a bunch of money on guys that you're not sure about or you feel the pressure to sign because they're big names. This obviously worked. This core worked and you added more players who have had a proven track record of success. The time is now. Like your window is now, if you're the Rams, this is when you should be spending money. It's the teams that their window is not now that are spending obscene money and get tied up when they don't have their quarterback or they're a really young team. The way and time that you spend money is important. When all these guys age
Starting point is 00:24:54 out of these contracts, then you start to press reset, are you going to be spending the same amount of money that they're spending right now? I don't think the Rams will. No, no. In fact, my takeaway on what the Rams are doing is I thought, you know, this year's draft, they got a starter on the interior offensive line, which they needed. They got a running back. They're not drafting for starters at this point because they're so damn good. There's not a lot of starters. So They needed like a second tier running back who could catch. They got one from Notre Dame. They needed an interior starting offensive lineman.
Starting point is 00:25:25 They got it. They needed a corner because Darius Williams left in free agency. So what they've been able to do is kind of replenish. But I think we're getting to a point with them, Joy, that maybe even starting in next year is now it's time to maybe get a couple of those number one picks and start getting some home run hits. Because I think it's reasonable to assume Stafford. Cooper Cup and Aaron are all going to give you two more great years. Yes. But the clock's going to go here pretty quick.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Stafford might be even longer than that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. He's probably got four peak years left. But the rest of the team, you're going to keep tweaking. I just think I like that they're spending money on the important pieces now while the window is clearly open. Yeah. So, NIL, I feel like we're going to talk about this every single week. Oh, joy. Very scary. For a while.
Starting point is 00:26:16 many people are still unhappy with how it's working. The latest to give his opinion is Charles Barkley, Sir Charles, and he did not hide how much he dislikes what's happening right now. He said, I hate NIL, because I think it's going to have tremendous resentment among teammates. They're going to be comparing who makes the most, the transfer portal. They're going to be cherry-picking guys every single year. Now you've got the toothpaste out of the tube where every kid is going to go to the highest bidder. These little schools, they've got no chance going forward.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Well, now they didn't have a chance before either. Let's talk. Well, yeah. I mean, now, he said a lot, a lot of which I agree with, pick parts of it I don't. The part about the smaller schools not having a chance going forward, they never had a chance. The last 10 NCAA men's basketball champions, Kansas, Baylor, Virginia,
Starting point is 00:27:01 Villanova, North Carolina, Villanova, Duke, Yukon, Louisville. There's no little guys there. Kentucky. Yeah, there's no little guys. By the way, in college football. And it's the same thing in all college sports. Occasionally you'll have an outlier, but there's a reason why the big schools, get the big recruits. They got the big recruits before NIA and they will continue to do that
Starting point is 00:27:20 moving forward. By the way, we got to give kids credit here. We got to give them credit. They're not all going to go to the highest bidder. Jordan Addison chose USC. They were not the highest bidder. He's a smart kid. He loved Caleb Williams. They were from the D.C. area. And he knew Lincoln, Ronnie was a great coach. And he knew USC was a big brand. They did not win the bidding war because USC would not pay for him because they don't have their NIL up to speed like it should be, like some of the SEC teams. So the idea that all players just take the biggest paycheck. I worried about that too.
Starting point is 00:27:54 But I have talked to a couple of different coaches in this. And they're like a lot of kids are looking for fit too. If you can get close to it, you can make an offer, make them feel good. It's still about showing kids love. Some kids will just take the most money. Some pro athletes take the most money. Some broadcasters. That's always been my takeaway from this and the panic of it.
Starting point is 00:28:13 is that there's so much overreaction. There's so much outrage. Everybody is not wired the same. Everyone doesn't take the most money. How about the golfers, Joy? Phil Mickelson wants the money. Rory McElroy is like, I'm not taking the money. Would you look at that?
Starting point is 00:28:27 Everyone doesn't make the same decision. And also, to your point, that's why I don't like calling them kids, not all of these young adults are just throwing their futures to the wind at the biggest paycheck that comes their way. Some will, and guess what? As an American adult, that's your right
Starting point is 00:28:43 to go make as much money as you can. There are no legislations on that anymore as there shouldn't be. Just remember the word everybody. It's not everything in all. To your point, this is also just like 1% of 1% that we're talking about. They're not going and offering the third string running back this money. These are student athletes who, by the way, put in a ton of work in high school, while your high school kid is Cheeto-stained fingers and playing call of duty all day,
Starting point is 00:29:12 these high school kids are in the gym every day working to try and get D1 scholarships to the highest level. USC is paying one kid at USC, one kid is making big money, the quarterback. That is it. That is it. Where else does that happen? Does that also happen in the NFL? Does that also happen in every business where the top person at the company makes the most money?
Starting point is 00:29:33 UCLA didn't have a single, so between the two LA, this is the richest county in the country, LA County, right? Between the two big programs in LA County. county. One kid's making seven figures. And it's a star quarterback who many believe is a frontrunner for the Heisman next year. Yeah, he's going to get some money. The reaction to it is outraged, but I will agree with Chuck is that he was saying it's NCAA's fault. Like, they let it go so far off the rails. Kids aren't eating dinner because they can't take money to go buy pizza. Like they let it get so out of control. They didn't anticipate or prepare for any of this.
Starting point is 00:30:08 And now to his point, the toothpaste is out of the tube. I don't think it's as bad as everyone's making it out to be, but he's absolutely right about that. The NC, now this is a silly idea, but I'm just throwing it out there. The NCAA 10 years ago, because kids were complaining they didn't have things to eat. They wouldn't do this. I'm just throwing out an idea. If you were the NCAA and just said, you know what we're going to do? We're going to broker a deal with subway sandwiches or whatever the sandwich company is,
Starting point is 00:30:33 the sandwich company that comes on in Jersey mics. Jersey mics. And we're going to put a Jersey mics inside every athletic department, NCAA is we'll pay the franchise fee and we'll do that and then they wouldn't do that but i'm saying you could have seen this 10 years ago and said hey we have a problem these athletes aren't getting enough food we will buy a franchise well their kids had enough food yeah so i i'm saying all this stuff is solvable pGA tour for years you were paying not enough money Arnold palmer made more money on his commercials with pens oil than the tour you were not paying the golf
Starting point is 00:31:11 offers enough purses, so they often had to go and play elsewhere, bidding awards for them. And now, what a shock, another league comes in. There's a connecting thread to all of this. Pay attention. It's people who've been in power and have all the control and all the power and all the leverage. Don't want to give any of it up because they're panicked about change. And they think that if they do sacrifice a slice of power, that it's going to be this downhill avalanche of everyone making their own decisions is a free-for-all, when in fact, it's not.
Starting point is 00:31:38 You still need the structure of the sport. You still need the platforms. You still need all the logistics that go into running leagues and running tours. You're just not going to control every single dime that you can squeeze out of it. Or you can just ignore it and then it actually will be leverage on the other side. You can prepare for it. Yeah. Joy with the news.
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Starting point is 00:36:14 You know, Joy and I, we were talking earlier about this, about how the NFL basically just said, Oakland, you can't keep up with the league. Facilities stink. We're going to go to Vegas. St. Louis, you're kind of a dying economic city in the Midwest. We're going to take our team, put it in L.A. Both have been home run moves.
Starting point is 00:36:32 San Diego, we're moving up the freeway. I don't think they wanted to leave San Diego. I think the local politicians are like most local hacky politicians. They favored a baseball team over a football team, which is a big mistake. You do that. You're going to lose. If you don't build a football team, a stadium, they're going to leave. But it is, you start looking around these sports. Oakland should not have a major league baseball team. If you start it again today, like Detroit's a great example. Detroit was a much bigger city 30 years ago. It was more vibrant. But they have hockey, NBA, NFL, and major league baseball. And I don't think that economy can sustain
Starting point is 00:37:08 the season ticket base and the sponsors to be viable for four teams. So you're going to keep the NFL in Detroit probably. You'd probably keep hockey. It's a great hockey town. There are some of these teams, Phoenix forever. Like Phoenix is not viable economically enough. There's not enough Fortune 500 companies to have a viable baseball team, football team, NBA, and a hockey team.
Starting point is 00:37:29 But some of these are grandfathered in. I think these leagues have to do with the NFL. NFL is the best run league by a mile. They just are. We bet it, we watch it. Now, they make mistakes. They're not perfect. But I look at the NBA and I'm like, if a player is a free agent and you go 10 years and don't land one player who really wants to be there and you're not economically helping a league, it's time to move off.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I don't know if it's mostly about free agents to me because you don't consider Green Bay or Milwaukee, who just won the championship last year, to be a free agent destination. Buffalo isn't necessarily a free agent destination. They get them every once in a while now that they're winning and well run and they have some momentum. So I don't know that it's that. It's more about can the economy sustain keeping that many teams there or a team there is the attendance and the revenue where it needs to be for a professional league of the NBA, MLB or NFL's status? and are you able to, you know, spend the money on the players to be competitive? Like, as an owner, can you do that? So that's more of the question when you talk about moving teams.
Starting point is 00:38:41 And obviously this was based off of LeBron talking about wanting to own a team in Vegas, which I do think will eventually happen just because of the growth that we're seeing with sports. Sacramento Kings would be much more viable in Vegas. Yes. I mean, the question of whether these teams would, some of these teams would be more viable in Vegas is, I don't even know if you can argue that now. Like, it's just a matter of will the league actually push to move any of those teams. Like Sacramento is obviously that organization would do better in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Yeah. I think New Orleans. I mean, listen, the Pelicans will never pay the luxury tax. Like, it's the owners, the Benson family, they're football people. It's a football region. Well, I think also the success, the cost, and the just the massive nature of an NFL team, that closed the door on the question of whether Vegas can sustain sports. There's an NFL team there.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Like, NFL is king, however you feel about whatever, it's fine. The NFL's king. The fact that the Raiders are there can obviously sustain an NBA team. Listen, the Benson family did not want to buy the NBA team. They couldn't find a second buyer in the state. So like some of these places are wedged in, and it's just, I think it's time for other leagues to, basketball in Vegas would be a home run.
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