The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Week 1

Episode Date: September 12, 2022

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I think I may have had him on the air a few times, never in studio. He's now with Fox Sports. Sean Payton, the Super Bowl-winning coach, is joining us in the herd on a Monday. How lucky are we? You're here. Great seeing you. Great seeing you guys. So I just spent six minutes, you know, kind of chastising Aaron for, listen, man, you've got

small school receivers. Minnesota is impossible to hear. You've got to be more patient. You know this for years. That first game for rookies? Oh, listen. The first game for, especially for first year players, so much is going on.

And they may have played a bunch in the preseason. They may have played very little. Generally, the rookies get a lot of reps. But the thing that I don't like, I don't like looking at that game the way I did yesterday. And then all I've seen today is the first. first pass that was dropped by the rookie receiver. There were so many things that contributed to Green Bay losing that game that sure it had been nice if he caught that pass on the first play,

but do we think the outcome of that game's different if he caught that first play? They still haven't covered Jefferson on a spear route yet. Like there were three of those into some five-man rush pressures. And I think the one thing I noticed watching, if you just watch the the O-line and D-line play on both sides. I think Green Bay suffered with some of the injuries in their offensive line. But the team at home played better on both sides of the ball up front. And then all the other problems came after. The pressure on one quarterback versus the lack of pressure on the other.

The running game on either side. I saw it in the trenches. And I didn't think Aaron played well. Honestly. I thought he held the ball. In this, by the way, in his career. Absolutely. That's been a knock.

He holds the ball. Well, but it's third and one late in the game. We're still pressing for a score. Two downs to get a first down, and we throw one of these built-in RPO's on third down, and we end up throwing a deep seam incomplete on fourth down. Games over. And you want to see that first down. Converted, keep the drive going.

Yeah, I was disappointed. Not because, and here's the other thing. This used to get a kick out of this. When I'm in a position now, where I pick a game. And so here's my first day, Fox Sports, NFL game day, both shows. I'm picking Green Bay to win by four. And so when that doesn't happen, obviously when you cover those things the next day,

you're like, it's everyone else's fault. I didn't see that coming. And I think the good news for Minnesota is they look good. They look good. And so there's always that back and forth. Was it Green Bay looked bad or Minnesota looked bad? good and prepared, Green Bay struggle.

You know, the other thing, and I've been on this now, Jason just started on the show, I've been on this for about a year and a half to two years, is that sometimes you're in a business and there's new legislation, new tax codes, new cultural changes,

like basketball, three-point shot. Used to be you and I grew up with back to the basket centers. You have to face this. 100%. Now, got to shoot. If you can't shoot, you're off the floor.

Right, right. So it's a different world. NFL's different. The NFL for safety reasons, is the middle of the field is now the offense. You can't touch a quarterback. You can't grab a receiver. So offensive coaches, I mean, the fact that you're not coaching and you're still in your prime,

forget players, you're the number one free agent. So my takeaway is I would hire offensive coaches if I had a young quarterback. That said, I like Mike Zimmer. But there are certain personalities, and I think Kirk's one of them. He needs a little love. He needs, and I think Kevin O'Connell. Well, I think it happens. I think, and we saw this yesterday,

this is Mike Zimmer is a close friend of mine. Yeah. And a number of these coaches that turned over. There were 10 last year. We talked about it yesterday on the show. But I saw a few locker rooms yesterday that looked like orphanages that just got a new nanny. They just looked. You can't change a roster.

And unfortunately, it's much easier to just change a staff. Right. And, but man, New York looked like they were having fun after the game. Oh, wow. Was that something? Yeah. The only thing I didn't know was the rap song, Daibu was singing. But that looked fun.

And Minnesota looked fun. And Miami, I mean, I saw, you know, those post-game locker room scenes of the new program. You know, hope springs eternal and everyone's optimistic and until we hit some adversity. But that was what I thought was pretty cool yesterday. There were some first-time head coaches win some games. and when you have 10 changes like you had last year, that's a lot. Five of the new coaches last year were former coaches. And it went well for a number of them yesterday and a few others.

They'll get their first one later on. But I would agree with you when you go back and you look at how Minnesota looked offensively, that was impressive. Yeah. That was impressive. But I would say, man, their front defensively. Well, they went and got Zedaria Smith. And they got him off the team they played.

And there's nothing worse as a coach when you lose one of your key players. And then he actually contributes to beating you. Von Miller now rushing. Not the next season, the next game, the very first game you play him in. The networks aren't silly. So Von Miller was a perfect example. He looked like he was 22. Yeah, played really great.

So let's talk. One of the things that jumped out to me. me in week one. We don't want to overreact. But now, nobody plays in the preseason. And of all the units, I could argue, you would know it better than me, but offensive line tends to be a chemistry unit. 100%. Offensive line play was awful all weekend. I agree. Awful. How do you solve it? Well, I don't get it. And I say this, look, there's a balance. We've studied the science with injuries and data, but I do feel the trend of younger GMs and younger head coaches, is let's just keep them healthy.

So there's a balance there. At some point, you have to practice football. How do we do that? Well, we've learned how to practice better. You know, we ramp up, we ramp down. We ramp up, we ramp down. You know, we don't just continue to have two-a-day practices anymore. But you need to play and you need playing games.

And any team I'm coaching will be involved in playing in the preseason. Now, there's three games now, not four. We used to play a quarter in week one, the starters. We'd get into the second quarter in week two. And then maybe in week three, we'd get them into the third and pull them out right away, and then week four we'd sit them down. There's a buy now. And the buy is put in place to help any soft tissue injury that might occur.

You still have them for week one. But the idea of they're just not going to play at all in those three preseason games, and then you get what you have yesterday and Thursday night. You just... You can see it, obviously. 100%. I agree with you. And I heard your point earlier.

It's much easier to create the timing in space with receivers and quarterbacks. You don't need all 11 to do that. You don't need a game necessarily to do that. But the O-line play... And our league forever in week one and week two and week three has been tilted defensively because the offenses tend to need a little bit more time to get their timing. but I agree 100% when you watch some of the protection issues, the free rushers, the MEs, you can see them.

And I think it's, I just think you've got to work that balance. And we're down to three preseason games. If you're not going to play any of your starters, then why are we having the preseason games to begin with? Are we just looking at the rookies? The time in the offseason has changed dramatically. So you still need some. get pads as much as you used to. You don't get pads, period. And they don't play preseason. You don't get pads. You don't get dessert. You don't get pads. So, listen, there are, like I watched Justin Fields and Tray Lance. And I, there's always been to me, whenever we guess if a college guy is going to make it in the NFL, the line I go to is 60% completions. Matt Ryan was right on it. If you're not completing, this is why I was very skeptical on Daniel Jones. If your completion percentage, in college isn't like 61, 62.

Good point. I don't trust in the NFL. So, and my takeaway in the NFL is you can be, if you give me some ceiling, Matt Stafford's about 62%, but I get some big throws. And Trey Lance got a big arm and can move. But boy, he's in the, I've seen three starts now. He's in the 50% area. And I'm like, at some point, Sean, you got to get first downs.

What do you do? Because I think, you know, Kyle's a schemer like you. He can create. openings. He can draw some stuff open. But I got three NFL starts over two years, and I'm concerned about the accuracy. How much better can it get with like a tray? Yeah, look, well, it can improve some. I said this yesterday. I think there's seven or eight teams that we're going to see not because of injury, we're going to see more than one quarterback play. I think, and I believe this, don't kid yourself. I think at some point we're going to see Garoppolo back in that.

lineup. I think so too. I think we're going to see two in Seattle. All right. So who starts tonight? We're going to see the other one by week six or seven. Gino Smith tonight at some point we'll see the other one. Drew Locke. Drew Locke. We're going to see two in Carolina at some point. We're probably going to see two in Cleveland, you know, barring the suspension. We're going to see two, at a few places more than our league is used to. And I think at some point we'll see two in Miami. I think at some point, and they played well yesterday with Tua, but Teddy Bridgewater I've had before, he's an outstanding player. And I think that's one of the unique things this year.

I counted eight teams where I believe we're going to see multiple quarterbacks play, not relative to injury, but just a controversy, if you will. And so here's the pickle if you're John and if you're Kyle. you drafted this kid so high. Three first round picks. Right. And man, it's hard to sell to the guy upstairs right in the check that, well, we're, and so our little binkie, our blanket is Gropolo.

Yeah. Right. But we're, we're going to start this guy. We're committed to starting him. But at some point, if we're not having the, the rest of the roster is sitting there ready to win, ready to win. and that was a tough one yesterday, though, for any quarterback. I mean, that... It was a mess.

Yeah, well, it was funny to watch. I've never seen a kicker bring like a bath towel. It wasn't just a... He didn't bring a washcloth out or a wristband out to dry the spot. He brought a bath towel and thought he was going to get away with it. And I've never seen that foul called, and I'm glad I watched it because I thought, well, you can't dry a spot. We've seen the...

Remember the snow plow that came out? Yes. Yeah. And so when he tried to, like, dampen the water area, and then they had to pun it as a result of it, I had never seen that. So we have, you know, you look at the Kyler Murray situation's interesting. So I said this earlier. When stuff gets public, if you have a problem with a player, you keep it out of the press.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I got the team questioning Kyler Murray's work ethic and it makes the press. I got Cliff Kingsbury yesterday saying, yeah, our practice habits aren't any good. It's like, okay, this has gone public now. There's obviously some lack of trust here and some real frustration. Not good.

It's not good. And so when the addendum came out in the contract, you have to go home and watch it. I thought, okay, you're trying to make him look bad. The agent comes out. So here's my thing. Not every player is Drew Brees. Not every player is going to go Russell Wilson and watch film all day. But if we're going to give a guy a franchise contract.

What would you say to Kyler? Well, it still starts with, let me start this way. When Sundays come, the plane pulls up, we get in the line, owners, coaches, and all the players go up the staircase and we go right. And the quarterback goes left and flies the plane. And so when you're paying a franchise quarterback and you're making that commitment, but oh, by the way, we want you to work a little bit more on your takeoffs and landings. Right. We don't like how you're flying at 30,000 feet. We don't, well, do you have a franchise quarterback if you're writing those addendums in the contract?

That's the question. A lot of people ask that same question. And it's a good question. And so look, and then it became public and then back and forth, and, you know, whether it was ownership or Steve or all of it's sloppy. I don't like it. And I think, you know, in some cases, you know, does he need tough coaching? You know what I mean? I want to be able to turn a game on when I'm watching a guy, a franchise quarterback, and not know what the score is.

And when you turn the game on and watch Manning, Brady, Breeze, Rogers to some, you don't know what the score is until the network shows you the score. I feel like I can turn the game on with Arizona and watch their offense and not see the score and tell you if they're ahead or behind. Body language. And so I saw Cliff's Press Conference. I saw the comments afterwards. And look, practice better than.

you know, Kansas City looked really good, and Arizona to me looked like the team that we saw at the end of the season that was sliding, not advancing. Yeah. So, and coaches disagree with this, but I'm always a believer in. Let's see. So my takeaway is the game has changed. So there's no huddle. So you get about eight more snaps now a game. And if you told me my quarterback throws the ball 32 times and he throws a pick every weekend, I'm like, I can live with that.

throw the ball down the field. I loved Andrew Luck. He had no memory. I saw him play a college game. Joe Burrow yesterday made too early, horrible throws. What I love about Burrow is, I can't tell. And so what is that? That's a good trait.

What is that line of, I want you to take risks? Because my thing is, I want a guy throwing the ball down the field. Yeah, I do too. But I want to huddle. I'm not interested in getting the Chip Kelly 105 snaps a game. I'm not interested in that. I want to play a complimentary football game that helps my defense. We saw it with Brady last night. We saw it with Tampa Bay and Todd Bowles. We saw it a winning formula that still holds true today. And I want to take the quarterback

off the high dive because I know he's going to have to climb up there four or five times during the game on third and eight in the red zone third and six. And I want them get them down to the three foot end. I want to get him jumping off the side of the pool and not make his job 100% have to go through him for the team to be successful. It's going to have to go through him. But I want to find completions and find runs and find touches for other players that allow him to go, I can take a breather on this play. I'm throwing a quick screen out to Debo or I'm handing off in reverse or. So they need more, they need more layups in your opinion. We've got to find those layups and I get the RPO scheme. All right, I get the RPO scheme.

But if the defense tells me in the RPO scheme, I need a pass, not a run, then we're passing. All right, I want to run when the defense is trying to take the run away. And then how do you not block the last defender and still run the ball for seven yards? Kyle's done that well in San Francisco. Every time you play San Francisco, you're defending the run. And yet they still manage to run the ball well. And you saw the same thing with McDaniel yesterday. So if everything about the offense is hurry up, shotgun, quarterback-driven, then you're going to have more quarterback-driven mistakes. Good point. And I don't know on the other side of the ball defensively if that's necessarily benefiting me either. So Mahomes is interesting. Mechanically, when I watch Justin Herbert,

every throw looks the same. He's just beautiful. He's like, logo. I mean, it's just the stride. It's beautiful. Mahomes mechanically can go a little sideways every year. And you can see Andy kind of reels him back in. He's obviously a very coachable player because he'll admit, I'm off, my

footworks off. When you watch Mahomes from afar he's the best. Okay, so, like there's all these arguments. There's no argument. There's no argument. I remember doing him in college. You liked him in college?

Yeah, we watched the tape. We watched all the tape, obviously, in a tougher setting there for him because he doesn't have the personnel. Some of these other teams did. And then after that, we send him two days of installation for like a playbook install. Sure. standing. Then we go out on the field, we throw, we work out, you know, it's windy down there. If you're throwing well in Lubbock, you can probably throw well in a lot of places, right? I mean, it's windy, and he did, he reminded me of FARV because he had that not just gunslinger, but he could torque his

body and he could create speed on the ball without the feet having to be set or perfectly set. So some of these off-scheduled throws he was very good at. And I remember when we finished, I said Pete Carmichael, Joe Lombardi, who's now with the Rams, or with the Chargers, I said, look, we're going right to the plane. We're not stopping anywhere. No one knows we were here. That's our next quarterback. And we got on a plane. We flew to Tennessee and had dinner with a group of Tennessee players and then continued our trip, our journey, if you will.

Flash forward to the draft, and we're sitting in that room. We're picking at 11. and gradually the draft is unfolding, and Marshawn Latimore is dropping also, and we really had good grades on him. And the rule of thumb is if you pick 11, you've got to have 11 players you like, and pretty soon the ninth pick is up,

and those two are still available, and we just need to survive nine. And so nine takes someone else, and here we go, tens on the clock, and those two players, We know we're going to get Mahomes or Latimore. Buffalo's at 10. There's been a trade.

The chiefs climb into 10, and I turned to the room, and I said, here goes Mahomes. And we took Marshawn Latimore. All right. So both sides win. But he was the best that I've ever evaluated coming out of college. Wow. And there's a gap before the next one.

You know, he was that good. And so to watch him play is, I think he does so many things well. The other thing I think he does well that none of us can realize is we can move parts with him. All right. And the Mike ID changes and his mind can keep up with it. Like Drew had that trait. So Mike ID, what do you mean? We're going to set the protection off of one player.

You see Tom do it last night. You got the four known rushers and then let's put 55 down. He's the fifth guy we're going to identify for the center and the four. And so we're setting the protection. Well, a lot of guys are good with that from stagnant formations, right? But watch Mahomes and watch, you know, the tight end shift over, get set. Watch a double shift and then he'll change it. No, no, no, no, no.

Over here, over here, 54, 50. His mind operates very quickly. We said that earlier today. Very quickly. You can see it at the line. You can see it. Going a thousand miles now. I wrote on my report, the only thing I don't like with this player is the squeaky voice.

That was it. That's a true story. It's the only thing I didn't like. Wow. I don't know if I can top that. Okay. So how often, because that story, you can't top that story. So how often are you going to be in L.A.?

I'll be in L.A. every weekend. You understand. I'm like a music critic, and you're Elvis. This was the best 30 minutes. I mean, not that I don't love Jason. He's fantastic. We're not finished 30 minutes yet, are we? Are we already done 30 minutes?

How many minutes we've done? 27? We didn't talk about the Saints or Winston or... Okay, well, I didn't know. That's very personal to you. No, I thought, real quick, I thought it was the tale of two halves. Mike Thomas is back clearly, and I knew he was. They said the practices were going great.

I thought they struggled in the first half, but until they went to their no huddle offense, which happened really late in the third, early fourth, New Orleans went to a no huddle offense, and then there came the offense, and they did enough to win. I think as a coach after the first weekend, your perfect scenario is you get the win, but there's so much you get to, it's so much easier to come in and correct on a winning Monday. You know, the challenge in this league is coming in after a loss and correcting and changing. So to get the win and then be able to come in and watch the film and say, look, we won the game, game, but there are a ton of things we didn't do well.

That's an easier message. That's the best for the coach. Yeah. When you fly home and you know, we've got a lot of stuff to correct. Now, I'd love to be the bills or the chiefs or... There's not much to correct. And now you've got to create stuff to correct. But winning a game and maybe a game you shouldn't win or you know you didn't play

your best and there's enough meat on the bone where the players can see the tape and say, you know, you're right. That's a good scenario on Monday. Okay, I want to ask a Sean Peyton question. Yeah. You've done football. Yeah. Is that, and very rarely it happens. It happened with Bob Stoops in college where a guy that's got 10 years on the tarmac of, 10 years on the runway, said, I'm done. And but college is NCAA and recruiting. Sure. For you, you've got to do football and you're, you got a big brain and you got 10 years of like elite upstairs stuff, 10 to 12 to 15. And you step aside. And my takeaway was always this was my takeaway when you weren't sitting here was Sean is really intense

and really driven and guys like Sean whether they're on wall street main street or football sometimes can burn themselves out yeah they got come out and just take a deep breath spend time with their wife their kid go golf uh and so my takeaway is you did what you could do you're really intense i got i got exhale well so is that true yeah 100% okay no you just you just hit it um and some people will say you don't need to stay up till two in the morning doing football. Well, no, no, I get that. Some people don't have to and do it well, but for me, I need to. Right. Not because, I just, you know, enough, you know, mountain doos and Coca-Cola's at night and music and Red Bull. And, but it's kind of cool.

You know, and people say, well, what's your job like in the evening? I don't know. I don't know what a coder does. But there's a ton of film work, dark rooms, and stop the film. And stop the turn the lights on, put four plays up, third down and two to three. Each night has a different night of install. So the Tuesday for coaches is getting ready for day one install, which is Wednesday. That's the first practice day. And we're getting first and second down put in. And then we're going to practice it on Wednesday.

And then Wednesday night, we're going to work strictly on third down. But we're going to spend, you know, six hours on third down. Third and two to three, third and four to six, third and seven to ten, third and eleven, Plus, we're going to watch early in the season. We're going to watch yesterday's games. We're going to watch their whole set of games last year. And if it's a new defensive coordinator, we're going to find out where he was and watch and create really a bio on what they do on these down in distances

and then try to get to the best place. So you're right, though. That you get tired. Exhausted. And so, you know, Parcells is a mentor of mine. someone that I you know really helps me and he had a break every four or five years that's just that was his thing and the hardest part for me is the GM at the Saints is one of my best friends Mickey Loomis so you lose your friendship like the people the coaches in that locker room the

ownership group what happened when you told him you were leaving it we just sat and cried for about a half an hour we were together for 16 years and we just laughed and then we golfed that afternoon and then Mrs. B, who's been wonderful to me and Dennis Laosha, it's the change in, like, that's been home. Like, you know, every day when you go to work that often, you see these people, and all of a sudden, you know, it just, that changed. So that's the cavity as much as anything that you miss more than actual football. I mean, I miss the draft. And then training camp comes, yeah, a little bit, not so much. Playing a lot of golf. And I'll do it again.

I mean, I'll coach again at some point. But those are the things in that first year that you look at and you're like, man, I miss talking to Mickey. We talked every day. And it was football, fun, smart guys. Well, we talk a lot. Like 16 years, we never argued once over a draft pick or a cut. Really? But we would fight like dogs over like what we were putting in the weight room from a sign or floor standpoint.

or when the cafeteria was going to be remodeled or why it wasn't or like the towels that we put in the stadium on a fan giveaway day, I would get upset because you couldn't wave them. They were like washcloths and I'd make you a hard time. I said, is today the day of the terrible tissue? Like we would fight over that kind of stuff. Honest to gosh. Like it would be over stuff like that, travel. But we never had, we might have disagreements, but those were easily solved.

Yeah, we had, but discussion all the time. What a gift. Thank you so much. Yeah, absolutely. Sean Payton, he will coach again. Not last words, first words. Great seeing you. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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This is the heard-my news. Let's get started. Lamar Jackson betting on himself, Colin. Got off to a good start, right? 213 yards passing, three TVs. All three passes were deep ones, by the way. None on rookie sauce Gardner for the Jets. You know, apparently he turned down a deal that would offer him

160 to $180 million guaranteed. He really wants a full bag. Looks like it's going to be a franchise tag for Lamar. For all the people that say he doesn't throw the ball well enough, then why do I keep seeing perfect throws on deep throws? Like, we got to move on. He keeps getting better at that. Now, when he came into the league, he felt more runner than thrower.

I think he's become a very good deep ball thrower. Well, the big story here is the Ravens only had 63 rushing yards. That's the lowest total ever. the Lamar era. Will this be a sign that Lamar, I'm not running anymore because I don't want to jeopardize it. I got to get my money. I'm going to be a past happy quarterback. Well, first of all, I think Lamar said that when he came into the league. Don't look at me as a runner, look at me as a quarterback. So he had to fight that. But I think he throws, I mean, I don't even mind the optics of it. I thought it was a, I think he's just become, every year

I feel like he's 10% better than the previous year. So I thought he was good as a rookie. He's been this league long enough now. He's a franchise quarterback. All right. Let's get to on Peyton's old team. The Saints, they got off to a slow start. They were getting destroyed by the lowly Atlanta Falcons before what is being called the greatest fourth quarter comeback in franchise history. They were down 16. James gets hot. Michael Thomas, two touchdowns. And the Saints pull out a crazy win. By the way, Michael Thomas two scores. Both of them came against A.J. Terrell, the young quarterback out of Clemson who's great. He only gave up three touchdowns all of last year. So for Thomas to be this good is a huge sign going forward for the Saints offense.

I think they're a team that's going to have to win playing both those quarterbacks, and they're so different. I mean, James is your classic thrower. Taysam's just an athlete. He's the best gadget guy playing quarterback in the league. This is the one team that's playing two quarterbacks, and I'm totally for it. Like, I think Taysam Hill should get 12 snaps a game. I think, especially in the red zone, he's a running back. So it's almost a wildcat offense.

You snap it to him. He's got lead blockers. Tassum's a guy. Now, I wouldn't have paid him the big money they wanted to, but he's got value in the league. He is one of the 10 best athletes in the league. So there's a team to watch. They get the bucks this week, Colin. Remember, they've dominated Brady in the regular season in the last two years, 4-0.

And Brady will be without Donovan Smith, who left last night's game against Dallas. So they're missing their left tackle, their center, their starting left guard. So they're down to Tristan Wirfs. So the right side of their line is fine. The left side for Tampa's a mess. It's not looking good. That's going to be a great game this week. And finally, Colin, Russell Wilson tonight makes his highly anticipated return to Seattle.

Seahawks host the Broncos on MNF. According to Fox Bet, Denver favored by six and a half points heading into the matchup. Russ, of course, spent a decade in Seattle. They got a Super Bowl victory. He expects the crowd to be rowdy tonight. He is hoping that the fan reception will be positive. Colin, who you got in this one, Broncos or Seahawks. So in the offseason, I thought this was the gimmie.

I thought the Vikings was the best bet. The Lions was a great bet. And this game, Seattle. But it's weird. You know, like the Houston Texans don't know. They're not very good yet. The Jaguars are Washington and don't know it. So would it shock you if Seattle at home ran the ball effectively and just kind?

Now, I think Denver's going to win it by two touchdowns. But it is weird. The line is so strange. It's telling you, the odds makers are telling you, that there is something Seattle will be able to do. I don't see it. I think the story that's lost in Denver, not only Randy Gowell,

so they had Bradley Chubb as an edge rusher. They go get Randy Galloway, and then they get this interior defensive linemen from the Niners, so they just couldn't afford Randy Gregory, and then they get this defensive linemen from the Niners that the Niners couldn't afford, because the Armstead and the Bosa salary, and they're paying DeBose.

You've got to make choices, and they get this DJ Jones. They have three really high-end defensive lines, lineman with a young offensive line and Gino Smith at quarterback. So it feels like it's going to get really ugly, fairly early, but the line's six and a half. If Seattle can't run the football, there's going to be a long night for Gino Smith. They're going to be coming after. You would think.

Yeah. So, you know, it is interesting watching this. So we watched Brady do it with Tampa, where you look at the roster and you're like, the minute Tom gets there, you're like, wow, this is a really good roster. and then the Rams get Stafford and you watch the Super Bowl and you're like, we knew they were talented, but wow, they don't. I don't think people have been paying attention to Denver because Kansas City's in their division and because Justin Herbert was a wow player and the Raiders have a huge brand. Nobody's paying attention to Denver's roster.

They have three elite defensive linemen, two great corners, an amazing safety, two, a young back, a second back, the backup tied end to Noah Fance Good, a great left tackle. Like, I don't know, and a deep receiving core. People, this is Tampa pre-Tom. By the way, Seattle Secondary got lit up last year by some pretty mediocre quarterbacks, and they lost their best quarterback to the Jets.

I think Russell goes, I don't think I could say that word on here. I think Russell has a great night tonight. I like Denver, like 31, 13 or something. The line's six and a half. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. heard lie news.

So if you didn't hear our 30-minute interview with Sean Payton, a bummer will put it on the podcast. It was really, really good stuff. And I thought, you know, one thing Sean and I really agreed with is you don't get any pads now in the offseason. Nobody plays in the preseason. And the offensive line, which is the unit that needs work and chemistry, O line play was atrocious. Seattle's got two rookie tackles. and a young, one of their guards is young.

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