The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Wentz, Watson

Episode Date: March 10, 2022

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the fun part about trades and switching jobs is the fact that when you do leave a job no matter how you thought they thought of you beforehand the fact is they don't think that way of you now right

like we all have our kind of idiosyncrasies with how we do things and it's really really interesting to me that it's really interesting to me that here Carson Wins has been gone all of 24 hours, and already we're hearing stories like this, according to the athletic, Zach Kiefer. Part of the decision with Wenz was made long before Wednesday's trade,

as Frank Reich, owner Jim Ursay and Chris Ballard, all were ready to move on at the end of the season. Per the report, Frank Reich actually apologized to Jim Ursae for swearing by Carson Wence. Right. Carson Wentz was only an indie because of Frank Reich. And Frank Reich saying, I believe in this guy. And so when they didn't produce a playoff team, when they collapsed down the stretch,

Frank Wright came in and said, my bad, I, that is really telling. It also tells you about this sport is a business just like any others. Whereas where you go, you bring your guys with you, people that you've been successful with before. people you've seen success people you've and and obviously whatever if it's Carson Wentz is too far gone mentally if it's the physical wear and tear if it's a reputation he carried into that locker room

whatever it is whatever it is whatever it is it it was different than what Frank Reich thought it would be you know like look the Mitch Trubisky to New York thing makes sense why because Trubisky was was in Buffalo with Brian Daibble with their general manager

they believe in him now that doesn't mean that they believe that he's better than Daniel Jones they probably do because they didn't draft Daniel Jones they haven't coach Daniel Jones they've only seen Dana Jones on tape they have no relationship there

they have a relationship with Mitchell Tribesky so these relationships matter and it's a buyer beware I mean look it's the same thing is when Cam Newton, when Cam Newton was a free agent, this is after Carolina, after Carolina released him the first time, Washington football team had no desire, did not go get him. Now, they had Alex Smith, they had a couple of quarterback, but then Alex Smith got hurt,

remember, and Cam was still available after he, after his first year with the, with the New England Patriots, nothing changed. and all that I told you was that most likely it's just physical. Cam Newton can't throw a football anymore. No one knows that better than Ron Rivera. No one knows he, you know, you have the same offense coordinator that he played for in Carolina. It didn't work out. They're telling you all you need to know.

All you need to know about what they think. And when that happens, when the guys that have seen success with you either don't want you or wanted you and then still part ways with you, well, as a buyer beware. Like, I'm willing to believe that Carson Wins is salvageable. Because on paper, you don't have to be great. You just don't. If you're just solid with that defensive front,

you'll be fine. In that division, you know, you're talking giants. Eagles made the playoffs, but the Eagles, they only beat bad teams. And the Eagles, as of this point, and again, we'll see what they do with those three first round traffics, you know, would they be in the Deshawn Watson discussion?

That would make a whole lot of sense. But as of now, when Carson Wentz or Jalen Hertz? Carson Wentz or Danny Dimes? And Carson Wins or Dak, you take Dak. But let's not act like the Dallas Cowboys are the smoothest running ship in the galaxy, if you will, right? They got some good pieces, but man, there's some weird stuff there. And maybe a strange lack of buy-in at the head coaching position. But, I mean, just imagine that conversation where Frank Reich says, my bad, sorry, I thought he could play and he can't play.

I thought he could do it. I thought he was the guy he was when I coached him in Philadelphia. And look, we all have our battle scars. It doesn't matter if it's in your relationship, in your education. you know or in in professionally like you're going to have battle scars there's going to be things along the way that take that that take away and kind of change you a little bit right like you go through like i've you know you go through a weird contract negotiation you go through a weird job phase remember that time that you sold number two pencils that was a weird time you know

I needed a job because i I worked for somebody else who just just I I I could I couldn't get along with. So I took the next job I could. I'm like, look, Carson Wentz has suffered through multiple injuries, so he's not the same guy athletically. You lack a little bit of confidence. And now you have a bunch of money. You're kind of a different guy.

And I'm sure it's a shot at your ego when Jalen Hertz essentially beats you out. Equal shots of your ego and things go wrong in Indy and your coach who believed in you changed on you. But the bigger thing is, I'm sure you are different. You being Carson-Wilts were different than the first time around with Frank Reich. But I just, I just, the image of Frank Reich apologizing to Jim Ursay tells you, one, how strongly he swore by him. And two, exactly how he felt about him and felt about his performance this past year. If the Indianapolis Colts don't have a plan, if there is not a, hey, now we're going after Sam Donald, or now we're going after Jimmy Grappolo.

If their only plan was we just got to get out of the Carson-Went's business, I can't think of any more damaging commentary than the coach who believed in him apologized to the owner, and then they got rid of them just simply to get rid of them. That would be a wow. That would be a wow. You know? And it's got to be a lot of the stuff we don't know because on paper, it looks like a home-run for Washington.

When they had a quality starting quarterback with Alex Smith before that gruesome leg injury, they were in first place. Now, it was the worst division of football, but they were in the first place. They're a better team now, and they'll be better, you know,

even better once they get that defensive front healthy. If he's 27 and 7 with the Washington commanders, they might win that division. They'll definitely make the playoffs. It is the NFC. It's his last shot,

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playing with John Elway. And, of course, not only covers sports. sports in Denver as is a morning show, but you can hear him call NFL games on Fox and he joins us here in the herd. Stink, when did you know? Like, you know

pretty much everything that happens in Denver's front offices. When did you know that Russell was the guy? Not until it was announced. I had no clue. You know, I did the last game of the season in Arizona where Seattle

beat the Arizona Cardinals. really, like having talked to Pete Carroll, having talked to Russell Wilson, I really didn't get a sense that, you know, there was that big a feud. And I really felt like they'd be able to figure it out, like work it out. But I

really didn't know, man. I was as surprised and shocked as anybody, and I couldn't have been happier. I mean, I went from the depression of, hey, Aaron Rogers decided to go back to Green Bay after we got the reports over the weekend that, hey, man, he was really torn between Denver and Green Bay. And so I was really hopeful,

and so there was depression there and then an hour later man it was complete euphoria as Russell Wilson chose Denver and they worked out the trade the the common presumption among fans is Denver was a quarterback away is that accurate I don't think it's I don't think it's accurate I mean I think that Russell Wilson gives them the chance to compete within that division and and you know if it's not winning the division it's a wild card I still think Kansas City's the best team in that division. But, you know, the point for me, Doug, more than anything else, is as you're building your roster, especially come free agent, or free agency, when you have a

quarterback like Russell Wilson, it makes you a destination. It makes you a place where defensive players want to come. I mean, I think about, you know, the Denver Broncos before Peyton Manning. I mean, the no-fly zone was created after Peyton Manning. You know, Keep to Leave came there. Chris Harris Jr. was there, but they had other guys come show up, there in Stewart, and all these guys came there after, you know, after that was put together. And so you kind of look at those things, the West Welkers of the world, some of the other guys that showed up because Peyton Manning was there. And that's what it does for you.

It makes you a destination spot. It makes you a place where people go, we can win a championship there because they have the right quarterback. And so that's the part that's exciting. I still think, you know, offensively, I think they have some really good weapons, but the bottom line is I think some of their receivers need to grow, need to mature. They haven't done that because the offense's been so putrid, so that has to happen. I think they have to address some issues along the offensive line,

and defensively their front seven has to be addressed. But I think you can do some of that in free agency, some of that through the draft. And I think they've got the, you know, I think they've got the basic structure to be pretty good. What did they send back in return? Well, they said draft picks, you know, which I've never, I've never been a big draft guy. You know, I've always looked. I mean, I came in Washington. I came there in 1989, and Joe Gibbs was the leader of that franchise, and Joe Gibbs always used to say,

listen, I'll trade unknown commodities for known commodities. I want guys that I know can play. And so that's kind of the environment I grew up in, and I'll remember, I never remember, or I'll never forget. hit. My second year in the league, they drafted a guard really high, who was an Outland trophy winner. And I'm thinking, oh, they're already trying to replace me in year two. And the guy got into camp, and I was like, oh, this dude can't play. And it changed my perspective on the draft, changed my perspective on guys that can and guys that can't. So I'd much rather have veteran players that are still in their prime, obviously. And so to me, I mean,

I kind of, that's how I look at the, that's how I look at the whole draft. They gave up Noah a fan who I think is in, like, I think he's an unbelievable athlete. I think he's a very average player. They gave up Shelby Harris. He's a good player, but he's not a star by any stretch of the imagination. And Drew Locke, who has struggled to really transition from the college game to the pro game. And then, you know, two firsts and two seconds. To me, I think what they did for Russell Wilson makes perfect sense.

And I think they got a great deal. What about Nathaniel Hackett? How does they he hasn't coached a game in his life as a head coach, but he obviously comes well regarded out of Green Bay. How does his philosophy or what you think is how does that blend with how Russell wants to play? Yeah, I think that I think that you look at kind of just where they came from. You know, I think when you go back all the way circa 2012 with Mike Shanahan having Kyle Shanahan on staff, having Sean McVeigh on his staff and having Matlow Fleur on the staff, right? They all run the same offense.

It's just a variation. Like where Kyle Shanahan wants to be in two backs and two tight ends and do all that, Sean McVeigh wants to be in three-wides all the time. They're the same plays. The adjuster is the F. And, you know, in Shanahan's offense, the F is either the fullback or the second tight end or the third wide receiver. And McVeigh is just the third-wide receiver, oftentimes.

times it's Cooper Cup, is the guy who's going to motion and shift and do all those things for you. But the bottom line, it's the same offense. And last year, Russell Wilson, and he's always been in a form of the West Coast offense, but last year he worked under Shane Waldron, who was the former offensive coordinator of Sean McVeigh and the Rams. And that's the exact same offense that they run, LaFalo runs. It's just a matter of, you know, your personnel packages and how much you want to be in two-back versus two-tide-end versus three-wide. it's the exact same thing from a verbiage standpoint, from a conceptual standpoint,

that Russell ran last year. And if you look at the last seven games or so when he came back from that finger injury, he came back after three or four weeks. He wasn't very good the first couple of weeks back. And then from that point forward, he was exceptional. I think 15 touchdowns versus three picks in his last 15 games. And I talked to him the last game of season. He was like, man, I love this office.

I love what we're doing right now. So it's the same philosophical approach. Mark Slareth joining us three times Super Bowl champion. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The HARD on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app. What do you think Seattle's plan is? Yeah, that's a great question. I think sometimes, you know, sometimes you have success with a guy like Russell

and you think you've found the formula. And so you can move on. And I think there was enough strife within the organization that Russell wasn't going to resign. He still has, I think, two years left on his deal, but he wasn't going to resign there. And so they thought, hey, let's trade him at his peak value and rebuild the organization. And that's great. That's a great theory. But, man, you can get caught in quarterback purgatory for the next five, six, seven, ten years.

And that's a terrible place to be as a franchise. And, you know, I just, like, I've done games in Denver. I've done six games in the last two years. And every year we throw up or every game, we throw up another graphic. Like, look at all the different starting quarterbacks since Pete Manning retired, you know, and it's a litany of 10, 11, 12 guys. None of them can play, right? And so, you know, you risk that.

I mean, it's one thing to have big arm talent. It's one thing to be able to be smarter on a grease board. And it's, you know, and to be able to run around and stuff. It's a whole other thing to play. You know, and I always say this, and I goof around, but I'm 100% honest about it when it comes to the combine. You know, we get all enamored with 40 times, and how many times you can do 225, you know, on the bench test?

Like, if it was that important, why is that the last 40 you'll ever run, and why is that the last time you'll ever do a bench test? If you make a team and you get in the league, you'll never run another 40. So really, what are we doing other than testing athleticism? It really doesn't matter. Mark Schler is joining us. Okay, so Deshawn Watson, if he doesn't have criminal charges, can teams take him? I don't think Washington could have taken him because of the stuff that the front office has been accused of.

And I'm not saying that he's guilty of anything, but just in a perception, you know, when perception matters and how it looks matters, if there are no criminal charges, what then? Yeah, well, I mean, yes, I think you can go in that direction, but at what point are you going to have him? So if everything clears up, like, can you really wait until April or May to see if there are no criminal charges? And then, you know, you get him in, what's the commissioner going to do? Right. I mean, how many games is he going to be suspended for eight weeks, a month, you know, a year? Like, what's the punitive damages that are coming out of that? So, like, it's really hard to bank on.

on that guy being the guy because you still have no real understanding of what's going to happen. So it's really hard to go. Here's our, you know, here's our contingency plan because your contingency plan has to have a contingency plan to it. So that's a real hard one for me. Thank you the best, man. Do we have man 101 video coming out? Like, you know, spring is here.

Do we have any man one of one? I have got, listen, man, man, man, man, man, 101, I am currently. working on 13 episode production of Man 101. So we're working on things right now. Oh, yeah, we're redoing decks and fences and the whole nine yards. It's going to be awesome. I love it. I love it.

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Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Hello, Ryan. Hello, Doug. Man 101. I'm sure Mark would have his way with, you know,

Gottlieb and how he mows his lawn. I actually, I mean, in California, I don't currently have a lawn that I need to, like, sit on a riding hustler turf mower, you know, but I love, I... You don't have acreage in the, in the palatial estates of Southern California? No, no, no.

The most expensive grass you're ever going to find. All right. Well, let's continue on with the NFL that you and Mark were talking about. Obviously, we know a ton about Russell Wilson going to the Broncos. What we also know about Russell Wilson is things weren't always happy-go-lucky kumbaya in Seattle. Obviously, a ton of success early on in his career. when many would say he was more of a game manager and the Legion of Boom and Marshawn Lynch

were the ones carrying the team. There was a reported rift after the interception seen around the world at the one yard line when they ended up losing the Super Bowl to the Patriots. Well, Richard Sherman following the trade of Wilson from Seattle to Denver, first was quote retweeting something from Bobby Wagner who said,

Sherm a prophet. Richard Sherman then said you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. So obviously Richard Sherman... That's a Batman reference, isn't it? That is correct. That is correct. Which Batman is that from? Is that Dark Night?

It is Dark Night, yes. I believe so, yes. Man, Christopher Nolan's good, isn't he? Have you seen the new one? Has everybody seen the new one? No, the one with Patinson. Yeah, Jay Stu, have you seen the new one yet? I have not, but I've heard great things. I've heard it's kind of like the dark night meets seven.

It's kind of a murder mystery. What's in the box? What's in the box? You're going to leave the theater feeling really good about life, huh? What's in the box? I actually watched seven a couple weeks ago. Fantastic film. Amazing film.

Amazing, amazing, amazing film. Okay, so. So where were we again? Richard Sherman. So Richard Sherman's saying, I told you so? Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Here's the problem. Here's the problem.

What Mark Schlerth makes complete and total sense, complete and total sense in terms of, you know, most quarterbacks guys will follow. But again, tell me the defensive player who has ever had Russell Wilson's back. I don't know what it is. I'm not in that locker room. I'm not friends with Russell Wilson. All I can tell you is, tell me the defensive player that's like, man, this. there's not one it was him versus not with the legion of boom right there's a really weird locker room so how long does the honeymoon last in denver you know it can he find a way because he's

coming in as the conquer if you think he's going to come in the hat and hand he's coming in as the conquering hero i don't know how that that that that rest with the with the broncos defense yeah i will say this i because i largely agree with you i think i think when there's Whatever there is this much smoke, there's always tends to be a little bit of fire. Whether it was Russell Wilson's fault or not his fault, I think it's almost indisputable to this point that there was a complete fracture within that locker room where it was defense versus offense, those veteran guys versus Russ, and then the exodus of the Legion of Boom and trying to make Seattle into Russell's team.

And they never really took off from there because they haven't won a playoff game of note since that last Super Bowl run that came up short against New England. Correct. What I find interesting here is with Wilson, you talk about this a lot. For those who don't know, Doug and I worked together for years on his show. I now work on The HARD.

Something that you always said is, it's hard to promote from within, right? Because people always look at you the same way. Correct. And that's what it sort of felt like with Seattle and Russell Wilson from the beginning. He was always this underdrafted guy who the only reason the team had success early on

was because of the defense, was because of the run game. It's the Kirk Cousins. What Kurt Cousins felt when he was, remember, Bruce Allen was called him Kurt. Kurt cousin. You know, like, you don't even know my name. Like, dude, I mean, he was the fourth round pick.

And, you know, the way, I related to this is how it works in our business, which is oftentimes, you know, you'll get promoted. But the person promoted you is like, okay, so, we're going to double your salary. You're like, okay, but I was making nothing. So double of nothing is still nothing, right? This job pays a certain amount.

They view you as the mailroom guy if you came in through the mailroom. Instead of your, you know, if you come from outside the company to the exact same job, you're viewed differently. Yeah. So I do wonder if now that it's sort of been this like Russ has moved into, you know, wherever you want to put him, we know he's one of the elite quarterbacks in the league. know, however you want to rank him versus Justin Herbert or Pat Mahomes or whatever, we know he's like a legitimate franchise top-tier quarterback.

So now that he's coming into a new situation where people look at him that way, if maybe the perspective and how he relates to defensive players could be a little bit different from that perspective. One more NFL story before we go to some NBA, but we do know that the Colts are looking for a quarterback. We talked earlier about Jimmy Garoppolo, if that's going to be the case. And the name that you mentioned earlier that I found fascinating is, this buzz coming about for Mitch Trubisky. I know that people are looking at the giants as a

possible landing spot, but where are you at with Trubisky? Because for the life of me, I cannot understand where it's all coming from when all the guy did was be Josh Allen's backup for about 10 months. And now suddenly it's like there's like somewhat of a market out there for Mitch Trubisky. You know, he took a team to the playoffs, he can manage the game. I think he's also a guy who there's a ceiling, but what everyone I know has said is like he lost his confidence, but they didn't have confidence in him first. And so if you can rebuild that self-confidence, there's no reason he can't be a stopgap starting quarterback. There just has to be a middle class. Not every guy is going to be worth $40 to $50 million.

And if you ask yourself, do you love Mitch Trubisky? No. But what are my options? Like, give me the team who you're talking about with Mitch Trubisky. Well, like, I mean, the Colts. Okay. So what are your options? Jimmy Garapolo coming off of shoulder surgery.

You're not going to get to Sean Watson in division. You're not doing Sean Watson. So what are your options? Tell me. Like, I'm not attacking you. I'm just the idea that everyone, this is what I started to show with. everyone's like, why did you end up with like, what are my options here? Right.

I got Nick Foles or Mitch Trubesky, who would you rather take? Right? Like you're like, well, Nick Foles has seen more success. It was how many years ago? No, you're right. Seven years ago? I guess I would be grudgingly go with Mitch Trubisky, but I think if I'm Ballard and Frank Reich, and I know I am just lifeline here, I would roll the dice on someone like Jimmy Garoppolo

and maybe his shoulder shot, but I don't think Mitch Trubisky is saving my career either. Okay, but hold on now. Okay, so it's not just the shoulder for Jimmy G. Okay, it's threefold. And I would, if all things were equal and he was healthy, I would take Jimmy Garoppolo ahead of him, but he's not. So you have the shoulder. You have the fact that he's hurt essentially every other part of his body.

And even if you like him more, you have to admit that he is prone to the just boneheaded throw once a half. Totally. So now, now Trubisky, what we saw in Chicago, you know, he wasn't quick enough with his reads, the lack of confidence in throwing the ball downfield. Now, he was like Jimmy, he was a very good athlete, could run for a first down, big strong body.

And one of the things held against him was, I think he only started 14 games in college, right? Now he has the volume of reps. But he doesn't have that injury-prone history. He's not coming off a badge holder. And though, you know, if all things are, but they're not equal. And what are your options? Are your options of a shaken Sam Donald?

Are your options a banged up Jimmy Garoppolo? Or your options of Mitchell Tribiskey? And then how much does each of them cost? All of those things play a factor. That's all fair. I totally get that. And you're right. It certainly is, you know, your options are very limited.

It just, if me knowing that my career is basically on the line, I would go, I would feel more confident going, Hey, I'm at least going with the guy, regardless of what they can think of Jimmy Garoppolo. We've seen him in two NFC championship games under center in the past three years. That's where I would hitch my trailer to, knowing that all of those other options are just as likely to go boom or bust. All right, we'll finish it up with this in the NBA, Doug. We know how up and down, well, shouldn't even really say up, how down things have been for Russell Westbrook and his one season thus far with the Lakers.

One superstar is coming to his defense. Steph Curry talking to Chris Haynes saying, quote, it is the nature of the beast and in a certain perspective, they build you up to break you down. The real ones who have done amazing things in this league know what that means. He's a professional and I'm proud of the way he's conducting himself and I'm there for him. Look, Steph Curry, everybody knows he is just a salt-of-the-earth type of dude. Wouldn't expect anything else from him to say than for him to support a fellow NBA superstar who is really just getting torn to pieces right now on a very bad season so far in L.A. So I wouldn't expect much else.

But I personally don't know if the criticism for Westbrook has really been that far over the line. Now, of course, you always have to, you have to ignore the one percenters of the death threats. Like, those people are ridiculous. They're awful people. You put those to the side. Other than that, I mean, it's calling us a spade a spade. Like, he's been bad this year. He's been really bad.

Yeah, yeah. And it's because of the stage he's on, I've told people for years, like, he didn't play defense. He's not a great defensive player. Like, no, no, no, no, no. He plays so hard, like, you don't really, you're not seeing what everybody else sees, which is he dies on screens, he screws up assignments, he just takes place off. And then the other part is how he's not a very good finisher.

You know, he missed a big one last night. Like, you know, that despite the fact that he drives in there and occasionally dunks and screams and is a freak athlete, there's an art to finishing and he is anything but an artist. And I would agree with you. I don't think most of the criticism has been unfair. What I just don't think that we on people on TV need to be named callers. I, like, I just don't think that's a great look. But making fun of his shooting with the use of his last name for a fan, is tame and like you said it's accurate

the shooting's terrible I've never seen a guy who's played at that high level and by the way it dominates the basketball right his usage rating throughout his career it's one of the reasons he put up such huge stats and he just loses the ball I've never never seen it before

I also I challenge the well they just build you up to take you down do I think we have a section of us maybe a portion of us that's greater than some other things outside of sports that we do. We nitpick guys, right? It's like the LeBron James. Well, LeBron James was scared to take the last second layup last night against Houston.

Really? You think he was scared to take a last second layup against the Houston Rockets when he's taking him in the NBA finals? Like, no. So there is a section of that, right? Like, where people try and say Steph Curry, well, he doesn't play well in the 5th. finals in the first couple of games. It's because they allow them to be grabbed and held. Yeah.

You know, if you don't, it's going to make shots. But I don't think that we build them up to take them down. I think there's always going to be people along the way who don't totally buy in, and that's okay. I don't love that idea. I do think that we have to do a better job on TV of the name calling and how we treat things. That's Ryan Music with the News. Well, that's the news. for stopping by.

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podcasts. Take out leave it for calling this to Hurt on Fox Sports Radio app, wherever you may be, however you may be, however you may be listening to this show. I just tweeted this out, and I do believe it that this is easily the best day in college hoops. You got 61 games and about 50 of them are really, really good. You got, you're playing teams that are about your level that are a conference rival in a neutral site, which is in your region, doesn't get, doesn't get any better. I don't think. It's more meaningful in terms of deciding a champion, and you'll have a bigger upset from a big name falling into a school you don't think of. But in terms of quality of competition, the appropriate team, like teams playing against teams at their level.

that this is the best best days. Best days. Let's get to the best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last.

So the idea of this best for last is there's weekends that are just better than other weekends. And there's weekends with family that are better. There's weekends that are vacation that are better. But there's weekends for sports that are, unique and special.

And I think we can extend these weekends from Thursday until Sunday or on a holiday weekend from Saturday until Monday. Let's get to the best for the last. The five best sports weekends. Number five. Okay, number five is Thanksgiving weekend. Thanksgiving weekend. You have a good amount of college hoops, hey? There's some NBA hoops being played at that time.

You have NFL, you got NFL weekends. You got starting on Thursday. You have the three NFL games. And you have the NFL games on Sunday and Monday. And then college football and all the rivalries from Thursday, Friday, Saturday. The rivalry games do a couple. They matter for the college ball playoff. No question.

For the NFL, they matter. But I can't put them in the top four. As good as it is, it's really just one sport. And that's one of the things. And they're not necessarily games that decide championships. Number four. Divisional weekend in the NFL. Now, maybe this is, maybe this is, hey, it just happened,

recency biased where we had the most amazing divisional weekend where every game was better than, even the Rams, Buccaneers game, which was a blowout at first. The Rams almost gagged that thing away with all those fumbles, right? And that was the worst game. That was the worst game of any of them. So, divisional weekend, because now you're, again, kind of like this weekend in college hoops, you're getting teams that are about the wildcard weekend.

You had a couple teams that got in. It's like, well, why was the AFC wildcard bad? Well, the Chargers should have been in the playoffs. The Colts should have been the playoffs. the Ravens should have been the playoffs. Instead, those bottom three teams, not great. You go to the NFC and say kind of the same thing. Where, you know, what would the Cardinals have looked like if they had New Coppkins?

I don't think they beat the Rams, but Calamary looked like a grade school quarterback there. There are other teams in the NFC, which should have made the playoffs. You know, Washington probably should have been better than Philadelphia. They just, Ryan Fitzpatrick got hurt, and they lost Chase Young as well. You lose your quarterback and your best player. You're going to struggle. But NFL divisional weekend was the best of the football weekends in the NFL because one, it decides a champion and two, the volume of games.

Number three. Now, I did say that this weekend is the best in college hoops. But that's just for the games. The excitement cranks up next week. And that's because of the bracket, right? The bracket is the college basketball and fantasy football is the NFL, right? It's basically gambling without calling it really gambling. And it's the bracket's easy.

Just eat one piece of paper. Anybody can fill it out. We even pretend like the first four doesn't exist. But I mean, starting Tuesday and really starting Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you find yourself cheering for teams that you've never heard of before. It's a unifying event. I've never been to Vegas for it. At some point, I want to go and see it from Vegas.

but March Madness opening weekend is definitely number three. Number two. I still think New Year's weekend or those days around New Year's are. We've diminished New Year's Day on some years because we have secondary bowl games. This year we had better bowl games on the 31st, but that's so the whole idea. Like all those games right around there. You still have the New Year's Day bowls, New Year's Day six, and then the national semifinals. And you throw in some NFL to boot like we had.

It was pretty good. But it's almost always really good. And the semifinals, because it's four schools, competitive games, oftentimes better than the championship game, which is a standalone game. Number one. The best weekend in sports, for me, is that weekend in October when you have rivalry college football games, NFL games, and the October World Series.

Right? And I understand that right now, baseball was on hold and I I could take or leave baseball regular season baseball postseason an unbelievable watch unbelievable watch and football that time of year from college to pro though it doesn't decide a championship the the world the World Series does October weather is perfect perfect perfect for football you get some places raining some places sunny some places warm place is cool I just think October is the best weather month the best sports Sports month and that best weekend is when it has World Series college football rivalries and pro football as well. That's the best sports weekend of the year. That's the best for last. All right. So look, here we're getting ready for college basketball.

It's kind of like buildup here. So what do you need to know? It's going to be weird for people who North. Roy Williams retiring. I'm going to guess that's going to be like the Houston Astros are in the American League. Like, it's going to take you a while to turn on, and next year to turn on a Duke game and Mike Schoeschewski is not there. Isn't that weird? Like, think about this for a second.

How many people do you believe in mainstream, with all the other things with college basketball, really becoming more of a one-month sport, right? And even, you know, it's the one month started now. how many people know that Roy Williams isn't at North Carolina anymore? And then next year you'll have Coach K be gone. And then eventually you'll Jim Beehime will retire at Syracuse. And you're going to turn on your TV and it look very, very different, very different. But it's going to be interesting to see if North Carolina can continue the momentum. I mean, I can't think of anything cooler than in your first year as a head coach of a place like North Carolina where you played there.

And it wasn't like when Hubert Davis was named head coach, there was all this fanfare. Last Saturday, it was supposed to be a coronation, was not supposed to be a competitive game. And North Carolina goes in there, whoops him. Took a big lead to start, gave away the lead, came back, and then led most to the second half and ended up winning a game. Like, that's an amazing accomplishment.

But I do wonder how many people know, Roy Williams is not the coach of North Carolina. Huber Davis. You're like, Hubert Davis? Nick's Hubert Davis? Yes, he's the head coach, North Carolina. All right. You get back to listen to Fox Sports Radio

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