The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - What should the Bears do with Justin Fields?

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez joins the show in studio to tell Colin what the Bears should about Justin Fields after another disappointing lossSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. By the way, you can lose in the NFL and retain your job, but the Jets have an impulsive owner. They blow stuff up very quickly and start over, and the 30-0 loss to Miami, when Tyreek Hill wasn't available and they still couldn't stop them and the Jets are supposed to have elite corners,

that's about as bad a loss as a team. could have with a coach that's trying to retain his job. So the defense didn't show up. Four yards of offense in the first half. Lousy fake punt that fooled nobody. I wonder this morning if Robert Sala's in big trouble. I have defended Robert Sala, but I'm watching these defensive coaches. Ron Rivera, late in that game, was completely worked.

Like, it didn't know how to situationally speed the clock up. No urgency. Huddling against the Rams, it was painful. watching Mitch Trubisky under Mike Tomlin. Painful. Belichick, offense, painful. And I'm watching Robert Sala, and I watch Brandon Staley. The Chargers' offense has talent.

Regressed. I watched Sala. That quarterback carousel is a mess. They couldn't handle the head injury to Zach Wilson. So you can lose games. You better be careful about losing them like the Jets lost them, because that ownership group moves off to the men. and the Jets and the Jets, you know, Giants and Yankees tend to be more patient.

Aaron Boone's been under the pressure for a lot of years. You know, Tom Coughlin stayed for years, and the Giants and the Yankees tend to be a little more patient with their quarterbacks and their coaches a little more. Jets, Mets will blow stuff up in 30 seconds. I thought that loss. I mean, right now they look like the Chargers. What do they do well with a young, unproven defensive coach? What do they do well? They're literally start of the year doing things well.

So are the Chargers. They've all gotten worse. That was a bad loss. One word. What? Gutless. That's what it was. They didn't show up.

Coming off a big win. Go to Miami. Pathetic. Can we not talk about the Jets anymore, please? All right. J-Mack with the news. No. No.

No. Turn on the news. I'm trying to just put the season in the rearview mirror. It's over. Let's go to an actual good team. The 49ers. And my guy, Brock Purdy, 242 yards, four touchdowns. He is now the favorite in every sportsbook in America to win the MVP.

Now, listen, I will do my diligence to tell you, don't bet Brock Purdy minus 200. There's a big game against the Ravens here. Lamar Jackson is number two on the odds. Here we go on the screen. I'm just telling you, Lamar has back-to-back weeks with massive gains. If he shows out against the Niners and Dolphins, he's going to steal the award from Purdy because you and a lot of other people are like, oh, McCaffrey. McCaffrey, you see there, down there plus 2,000.

If you feel like lighting money on fire during the holiday season, go bet Christian McCaffrey. Where are you betting right now? To me, the MVP of the league would be Christian McCaffrey. I'm not a big awards guy, but I think he is literally having one of the great running back years ever. In an era where running backs don't get loved, don't get fed, don't get embraced. And I think he's a wizard. I think there's nothing else like him in the sport.

I think he's incredible. Is there a lesson to be learned from the Niners trading for a running back? When nobody wants to pay them, nobody wants running backs, Niners traded for one. Again, they have a brilliant offensive coach who was seeking a top chess piece. This would not look like this for the Steelers. It looks like this with an offensive coach who is first of class, head of class. And I think the other thing is I think the two best chess pieces in the league are on the same team with the coach who's best equipped to use them.

Debo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey. So those are such unique historic players, and the coach best, most capably aware of how to use them, has them both. This feels like a Super Bowl team. Sneaky, but Shane Steichen, you and I love what he's doing in Indy. He knows how to scheme stuff up for running back. Jonathan Taylor next year, healthy with Richardson.

I would just say keep an eye on Indianapolis Colts Fusers. They look like they have something cooking there. Next up, man, Cadarius Tony. Boy, Colin. Have you seen this drop? This is absolutely brood on. I mean, just butterfingers galore. Now, right after it, obviously the past was intercepted,

Mahomes is seen on the bench really upset. Should be. Cursing under his breath. I mean, at some point. What are you going to do, though? They need him. You can bail on him? No, I mean, Rishirites is your one along with Travis Kelsey.

He ain't a one. You've got to have another guy, and he's an explosive playmaker. What are you going to do? Just, I think you need him. I think in a perfect situation you'd move off him, but Watson and Sky Moore are not game breakers. Tony can give you those one or two Twitchy plays a game that nobody else can. But this is why you're watching why the Giants moved off him,

but I don't think it's not perfect. Sometimes you go in and you have a team that's got a bad corner, but he's a risk taker and gives you picks but gets burned. What are you going to do? Move off him. Tony will make a play in a playoff game to help you win a game, and he'll have a key drop. But this is an imperfect team.

This is not the three year ago chiefs. So I think you have to just deal with it. Side note, there is video here. Taylor Swift was at the game, and they put her on the Jumbotron in New England. She was booed by the meatballs in Boston. Here's the video. Really? Who boos Taylor Swift?

They really had her on the screen for a while there in enemy territory. Well, meatballs would die for a selfie with her. Of course. They probably are going up for selfies after it. Like, come on. Booying Taylor Swift. It's like I hate Santa Claus, you know, next up. Final story.

Jalen Hertz tonight, not 100% with the illness. Glazer said yesterday on Fox, if this game was Sunday, Hertz probably would not have played. So it would be Hertz against Gino Smith, both questionable. I just looked at the line. It is, as you see on the screen, up to three and a half. So some late-day Eagles money. He flew separately, Jalen Hurst did, to Seattle from the team.

That's how bad the illness was. Gino Smith sat last week. Seattle is in a desperate spot. You're two bad secondaries. Now, Seattle is, this is the season. With the Rams winning, hold on, let me look at this real quick. So the Rams right now have an easy schedule down the stretch under 7 and 7. Seattle is 6 and 7.

6 and 8 is a tough spot for them. Maybe a death sentence. Yeah, so this is Seattle at home has probably a healthier quarterback or at least a non-sick quarterback. I think Seattle wins. Wins? Wow. Here's the thing is. A year ago, we thought they were so clever moving off, Russ.

Here's where they are. A defensive coach with an average quarterback going to miss the playoffs in the weaker conference. And an overrated defense. I took a shot at the secondary. Like, Jamal Adams in coverage, you know they're going to attack him. He can't guard anybody. I just, this feels like a 30-27 last with the ball wins. So I would take the three and a half if I were a gambling now.

Last time I saw Seattle play, it was a shootout with Dallas. It was wildly entertaining. Yeah, how's it going to be any different against it here? And maybe, you're maybe right. I mean, unless the weather, I haven't seen the latest on the weather, it's probably raining because it's Seattle. Well, it's December in Seattle. It has to be raining up there, right? So I'll go 30, 27 Eagles.

I'll go 2823 Seahawks. So Eagles drop to 10 and 4. Oh, wow. Well, listen, you'd be lucky in life to be drop to 10 and 4. I don't know. The defensive coordinator's losing privileges? That was a crazy move. They literally just in the week

15 or 14, they change coordinators. And that gets Dallas off the mat for winning the division now. Philly can't lose his game coming. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Line News.

All right, let's bring out Mark Sanchez. He and Kevin Coogler did the game yesterday. Chicago Bears Cleveland. So, as Mark sits down, I do want to show everybody, this was as beautiful a Hail Mary pass as the sports ever had. This is how you throw a Hail Mary.

Roll the tape. This is the end of game. There's two. Byes time. Excellent job. Three-man rush. She knows, gets out. Most importantly, keep the ball inbound. Don't throw it out of the back of the end zone, which he does.

Deflicting. Just rips their heart out. And as you said, kept it in bounds. No doubt. Time to position. That's right. And you can do that with a physical guy like that. Sorry for all my props today.

I got a overhead projector coming in at some point. Probably to break some of this stuff down. I will say this. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the I-Hard radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There is something to be said about throwing three picks and having a great fourth quarter. Flacco is just, I think you said it. He's an adult. No doubt. lot of good games, bad games, good halves. I watched that and I'm like, Flacco has a short memory.

Yeah, and it wasn't perfect if you saw his postgame interview with Laura Oakman who asked him some great questions, but he was just, he's like, God, I have this pit in my stomach. Like, he knew what was at stake and what was happening. But at a certain point, he knew, I'm going to get this ball back and we're going to make it work. And that's two weeks in a row, a team has tried to pressure him, and he's known the answer. He's had the answer. The week before it was Jacksonville, they bring a little extra pressure off the edge.

He knows where his weakness is, starts to drift, drift by time. Njoku, huge play, okay? This week gets a little pressure. He starts to pump and holds the ball for one more second because they brought simulated pressure essentially, bringing linebackers and defensive backs and dropping out a defensive end or tackle. And there goes Njoku, and he's trying to navigate, okay, where do I go? And so he holds it for just a half second to lock eyes with Nijoku so he could see him throw it. and avoid the pressure two weeks in a row.

But I called him elf on the shelf, man. He shows up after Thanksgiving. Suddenly the house is in order. Everybody's on notice. The kids are behaving. You know what I mean? Because he's got, they report to Santa. They got their magic.

And his magic is his instant credibility. Because he's been there before. Everybody respects him. And then the way he plays to finish a game, the way he can finish a game in that stadium. I mean, he's got like 10 comeback wins, fourth quarter wins in that stadium, mostly for Baltimore.

So he's used to ruining the brown. fans, Sundays. This time he gave him two Sundays in a row that were amazing. And I think also it's a younger league. And so when you bring on these elder statesmen, I think there is a certain gravitas to him walking in the room and everybody's like, everybody's on notice. Oh man, he knows what it looks like. I'm falling on him. You know what I mean? But they have the Hail Mary before halftime. Did you see that? Okay, you got to see this Hail Mary before halftime. Because one, I thought they were going to kick the field goal. It's a 54, 55-yarder. Yes. Okay, watch this. Justin Fields,

gets absolutely pummeled by Zadarius Smith late. That's a free play. That's a 15 yards free untimed down before halftime that they missed. That's an automatic field goal. So that's three more points. Then when you go to the fourth quarter, they have a 10-point, well, let's go big picture here first. And I had to write some of these notes down because there's a lot.

Because Chicago, this was a big game for it. That has a huge game for Chicago, but of 70 plays. They ran 70 total offensive plays. 18 of these plays are third downs, two of them are fourth down. So that leaves you 50 plays that aren't third or fourth down. Those are normal down and distance, first and second down. Now take out all the goal line plays, all your short yardage plays. And, okay, of those 50, where do you want to be?

We were just talking about Josh Allen. You were just talking about Josh Allen. He only threw it 15 times, right? Justin Fields threw it 40 times for a little over 100 yards or whatever he threw it for. Josh Allen threw it for 94 with seven completions. You see what I'm saying? Like, I'd rather have him closer to 15 than 40. Yes.

Right? And the game started to get away from these guys, the sequencing in the fourth quarter. You're up 10 points. And you start giving this thing away. The fourth and one, with Justin feels that he doesn't, he scrambles for it, ends up being a sack. I mean, that's a play he makes in his sleep. Watch, he's on the edge. And he just starts to slow down, gets tripped up, huge play.

Just tapping his foot. And he doesn't get this play. Boom. The Browns go and they kick a field goal right there. Yeah. Okay? So then the bears are up seven. Then they get stuffed on a jet sweep.

Yeah. The reason I brought this up here is because, just to show you, okay, when guys get the ball a lot, this is my call sheet. This is what I use during the game. Yeah. Okay. When guys get the ball a lot, there's numbers all under their name, okay? Rushes, receptions, rushes, receptions, all this stuff. They handed it, and this is no offense to Tyler Scott, but it's third and one in the fourth quarter.

You're trying to win the game? This kid's a rookie out of Cincinnati. Look, he doesn't have all these red numbers down here because he doesn't touch the ball that much. So on third and one, I'm like, what are we doing? Deontay Foreman downhill, speed option, so you have at least two options with Justin Fields, run quarterback power, get the extra hat in the run game.

I was just a little shocked on that one, right? And on that fourth and one, by the way, they were on the plus 33. They could have kicked a field goal again. That's two field goals. I mean, I was getting all worked up because it was our game, I was fired up about it. But you felt the game start to...

Oh, no, they're killerly to lose it, to kind of give it away, and then Joe Flacco took over. And then the offense finally made a play. But if you're going to give them six chances to make a play, well, one of them, they might just make a play. You see what I mean? Like, those, that's where good teams figure it out. They understand their sequencing.

They understand what numbers they have to hit in the run game versus pass game. Yeah. And if you have 50 of those plays, and you're going to call 30 runs and 20 passes on normal down and distance, I want those 20 passes, five of them to be actual dropback. Five to seven step. Go through a full progression. You know, five to six-man protection, fine.

But they're giving up sacks on eight-man protection on second and seven with the lead late in the game. That's crazy to me. You only got two guys in the route. How are you getting sacked? So, you know, Montes Sweat kept him in the game. Yeah, he's been a great day. The guy's leading two franchises in sacks, by the way. Are you kidding me?

Yeah. So, like, there's pieces there. There's enough there. And I think think of Justin Fields a little more like Cam Newton. Like he's hard to bring down. He can run.

Run quarterback power. They used to do that all the time on third and short, fourth and short with Cam. We talked about a mock draft earlier. Chicago's in a unique place. They could still get Jaden Daniels or Drake May

and get a ton of extra picks by moving down. You just don't get everything out of Justin Fields if you bring in a guy like that. Not in that town. Yeah, you're just maybe in Jacksonville, maybe in Kansas City, Maybe in another play?

No, chance. Then Justin's like, am I the starter? Am I not the starter? If you're going to go get one of those guys, go get him. And they're your guy. That's good point. But if you're going to keep Justin, then get him some guys, man. And make him like Cam Newton the year he won MVP and took him to the Super Bowl against Peyt Manning.

Put players around him, stack the defense, keep getting past rushers to give him the ball back. And he's going to have to run the ball a lot. That's what they did the last three games. And that's why he was so effective. But when he goes for over 100 yards rushing, good luck. Good luck playing against those guys. So they have pieces. They're really close. It's just what's their formula, their identity,

and they can't get away from it, and that's how the Browns took over. So explain to me. At college, I can remember USC teams you played with. Teams generally, because the players are younger, are different at home and away. You know, it's just different when you go, even when you go to Pullman or Corvallis, it's different. Cowboys or Browns? Dallas is a completely different franchise on the road.

Now, I've argued that as the league's gotten younger, and Dallas is a glamour franchise, the minute they win, all these shows talk about them. And all those young guys are like feeling it. And that's a little bit of it. It's like Texas football or USC football. You win, you're on shows. You can win a lot of games in Jacksonville and nobody cares. Otherwise, I can't figure out Dallas. How are you this great here and this bad here consistently?

Well, I think Buffalo just took. took the fight to them. I mean, they, they, it's one of those things where when they're at home, they're a little nasty too. When it gets late, when it gets cold, Josh Allen seems to turn it on, protects the football. That was the biggest thing for Buffalo. They had been giving away games routinely. You know what I mean? He throws three, four picks in a game. It's like, come on, man. Defense, you saw how hard it was for the Browns to win. The other team has to have just a calamity of errors for you to win games like that and overcome mistakes like that. Buffalo didn't do it, and they ran it right at him.

They ran it at him multiple different ways with Josh Allen, with James Cook. Like it was, you could tell Joe Brady had the game plan he wanted. He saw where the Cowboys were vulnerable in the past. He said, this is what we're going to do. We're going to invite him in. It's going to be a little cold, a little different. We're going to be playing outside in our kind of place, in a blue collar, rust belt kind of place.

Yeah. All right? We're going to let them in the tunnel. We're going to lock the door, slap them around for a couple hours, and then tell them when to leave. that's kind of how you have to play those guys. When you see a team with a lot of flash, when we got to beat them up physically.

It's going to be, this is going to hurt them. It's got to hurt them. It's going to hurt us, but it's better hurt them more. And you can tell. They just had the physical game plan, and it got away from the Cowboys, right? They weren't able to jump out to that lead. They weren't able to stack points at the end of the first half

and opening the third quarter like they've done before. And that's how they kind of lap a team. And then just they're off to the races. all you see is the back of their jersey like, dang, how do we catch these guys? They're too good. So it was just the way the game shook out, but Joe Brady had an excellent plan for that game. Before we get to tape on the other side, we were talking about Christian McCaffrey. You know, I'm old enough that I remember Walter Payton and then there's Barry Sanders and his elusiveness.

McCaffrey has the ability to make cuts without slowing down. Oh, yeah. While he's accelerating. Yeah, so he's accelerating into the cuts. So he's so quick. I don't know. When you watch him, he can be a receiver in this league, I think. No doubt.

And he's been healthy. Every time he touches the ball, look out. He's got the home run threat. But him and Brock Purdy, it's like, I mean, say what you want about Brock. Oh, he's a system guy, he's this, he's that. He knows where to get the ball. And it comes out on time. And he anticipates these throws so these guys can run after the catch.

He gets him in and out of plays, good plays, you know, potentially bad plays, darts the ball when he's supposed to, and gets him in the right position. And then when you have a guy like CEMAC, he knows, man. Just feed him the ball. It's Kobe and Shaq, man. Just feed him the ball. Whatever you know something good is going to happen when that guy touches the ball. I'm just curious about this MVP race.

Like, are they going to split votes? Well, that's what's going to happen. And then I'm just saying, Lamar Jackson, fine. I'm just telling you, and I've gotten heat for this because I'm a Stafford supporter. But if he gets his team in the playoffs, the Rams. Come on now. Are you kidding me? Those votes might split.

He might go right down the middle. 7-10 bowling alley split. You've done Rams games this year. Plenty of them. I have seen McVeigh. They should have won that Baltimore game. Oh, I know. This is one of the best coaching jobs I've ever seen.

And he should be runner. Like Stafford should be runner-up for MVP and McVeigh should be, you know, runner-up for a coach the year. Because nobody in a minute, I mean, four wins, five wins or whatever they were projected early in the year. Now, who knows, they got a game Thursday night against New Orleans who just beat up on the Giants. So, you know, this whole thing is coming down to the very, very end, which makes it amazing for us and the players and coaches in the league. But I don't know, man, there's something to be said about Stafford.

Yeah. All right, we've got tape on the other end. We talk Kansas City and New England and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. Maybe Taylor Swift next to Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.

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embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app. or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream,

this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clivert Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or where you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross

double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out

on the Look Back at It podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode,

with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode

where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, a game we have not talked about because New England's awful and unwatchable in Kansas City. Well, I mean, they're just hard to watch. But I would say with Kansas City, I really think this is just what happens when you go stage one to stage two of the dynasty. You pay the quarterback a lot. Little choppy, still love them.

Everybody, owner, GM coach, quarterback, all good. They're just trying to teach young guys how to play receiver under a very very, sophisticated, fast-moving, complex offense. It's hard. So Rashis, over six, seven weeks, you're like, oh, he's learning it. So it's happening in the right direction. Tony tends to be a little, you know, he can be immature, details drops. It's a process.

But I don't sell anything. I think they are what they are. These are young athletes. Some are learning on the job. Oh, yeah. Okay, so you got some tape, and this is fun for us. Go ahead. So quickly on the Cadarius Tony point, I think, you know, when you're in a slump as a hit

go back and watch some of the big hits you've had. Go back and hit some of the fundamental stuff. Like, go watch a highlight tape. Dude, he had some huge plays in a Super Bowl that got him a ring. You know what I mean? If I'm the wide receiver coach there, if I'm, you know, anybody who's in his corner, if I'm Patrick Mahon's like,

bro, get in here for 15 minutes. I want to talk to you and show you how good you are. And don't forget, you have that beautiful Super Bowl ring from last year, and you're a big reason we have that ring. on the punt return, on the touchdown and caught, left the dude in the dust, like, that's who you are. You've had a couple drops. That is not who you are. These plays are you.

You know what I mean? That's how you get these guys out of a slump because they're going to need them to make plays down the stretch. So either you let them, yeah, almost like a Tony Robbins speech. But whatever it is, just be in his corner. But I was shocked in this New England game. It's a third and 10, and you're going to play Patrick Mahomes and Cover 2 Man. So Cover 2, you know, there's two deep safeties, five defenders underneath, generally playing zone. But in Cover 2, man, those five defenders underneath are locked on to a specific player.

Okay? And they know they have help over the top. So their number one job is to guard their guy, but they're going to play a little soft and a little inside. You can't get beat to the inside. You have to block them off to the inside. No routes can cross your face inside because that gives the quarterback an easy answer and there's no one there. Also, quarterback scramble is all live because the safeties are deep. Everybody else is locked on to their guy.

Nobody's accounting for the quarterback. so you normally muddy up the rush with picks and stuff like that with the D. Lyman. What you're going to see on this third down, I mean, this shocked me a little bit, but Patrick Mahomes, they show them one safety down in the box. They're going to disguise on third down. Typical Bill Belichick, he's going to show you one thing, give you another. There goes the safety he's going to retreat. Patrick Mahomes checked with his running back to make sure he knew.

But look at this scramble room for Patrick Mahomes and no looping D. Lyman. He sees the two deep safeties. He knows there's help, extra help. on Kelsey. There's two, right? He's off and inside. Boom, I'm off of Kelsey and no picks on the rush game. That blew my mind that they're rushing straight up. Now, what do these guys run out of this set a ton? They usually run that in-rout or a deep crosser and then a shallow cross underneath by Rice. But what do they do? They run the crosser off of it because they know they're getting two, man. They're off and inside. Let's run our counter. Let's run speed down the middle like they used to do with Tyreek Hill,

leak the back out to the flat, and it just becomes a three-level high to low read. defender reach. So it's level three, level two, level one, you work your way down. And Patrick Mahomes hits his back foot and nails this. Basically, it's like a corner or a deep out that's a counter off of the shallow and basic that they normally run. That shallow, basic to the back checking down. I mean, that is a staple in the West Coast offense. They run it three to four times a game. This was an amazing. This is how game plans and playbooks change on third downs. You show a counter punch. They know you got a jab. Okay, what else do you have off that jab? boom and they show it I thought that was awesome the next play I thought this is an old school

west coast it's a run no it's a end around no it's a play action pass no it's a screen so it's like three layers of deception it was the old 94 why back 94's the run why back tells the why to cross formation kick out the end z ghost half back slow screen right so check this out there's three keys to a great screen. But Kelsey's right inside on the right. He feels that tight end. The safety feels a tight end. So he's going to run back in man to man. And the three keys to a good screen are the kick, the alley, and the rack hill and it's guard center guard in this setup. But he fakes the ghost, dumps it off. Here's the kick guy. Well, there's nobody there because they pressured. There's nobody there. So he's got nobody to kick. Normally he's kicking out a corner or a safety or a

or somebody, nobody's there. So he's just, number one in the convoy. Number two is the alley. Think of him like the personal protector. He's guarding the guy with the bag. The bag's the ball, and he's just running behind him. He's kind of finding daylight behind him. There's nobody in the alley because they pressured. That's why Mahomes got this playoff. And then the rat kill. This guy's almost as important as the other two because he's the one who peels back and his eyes got to look back and find that defensive lineman or linebacker who sniffed out the screen. He's the rat who's going to go to the cheese and ruin your day. there's nobody there's nobody even chasing it so this thing turns into a punt return or a kick return

and one of the biggest plays for Clyde Edwards Allaire Patrick Mahomes gets this ball out early understands that he has to get it out early he's got a three-man convoy looks like a punt return man and a huge play for Clyde Edwards the layer this is I mean two old school plays one they run a counter off of two they do the three layers of deception it's a handoff no it's an end around no it's a pass it's a screen and they had some huge plays off of these. Yeah, and you know, even if you go back to the Super Bowl, the reality with Kansas City

and their defense now, their games are more low scoring. So one or two plays like this, win games. They change the game, they flip the field, they get you into field goal range, and those are the kind of ways

that you avoid giving away the game. You know what I mean? You stick to what you know, you plug in new pieces. Before, we talked about that guy screaming down the middle of the field on the third and 10. Patrick Mahomes might have looked at that

if that's Tyreek Hill. Well, it's not. So he gets off him, knows Kelsey's doubled, and boom, knows exactly where to go. But, man, it's fun to watch. They always have something every week. They'll have their staples, but they always have something with a little sizz. So I saw it yesterday is that it's one thing if your wife and you argue on the way home from a party. If you argue at the party...

It's uncomfortable. And that's a real problem in a relationship. We've all argued in the car. So when you're banging on your quarterback in the film room, that's one thing. That happens with Grady and Belich. when you're yelling on the sidelines, that's an animosity that's a bit too palpable. My takeaway is, these guys are just different dudes, too.

One is intense. One is relentlessly optimistic. I watched this, and I was uncomfortable watching it. It was right after that goal line play, I want to say, right, they were down and tight. And it looked, what they had been doing, and this is all just from my vantage point. I don't have any inside information, so I don't know what was said. I can see the tone of what was said. was upset and disappointed and, you know, enraged.

But that, listen, that happens in these moments. These moments are heated, right? And to me, it appeared that there was some sort of check or some sort of decision that was supposed to be made by the quarterback. Automatically. That was just, like, assumed. And it was either miscommunicated, misinterpreted, something was off with the communication.

there and clearly coach payton is like dude what are we doing and so he lets out a little anger and aggression and that whole deal well part of that is this game is going to get you to those situations a lot in practice in a walkthrough in a game the idea is you have to have enough rapport with those guys to understand that it's never personal and it's hard not to take that personally you have to be pretty thick skinned skin like an armadillo not a deer and if you can absorb that, learn from that and move on from that without getting embarrassed, even though it's getting played on every, you know, news feed today,

then you can make up some ground. And sure, was Coach Payton probably a little strong and it's a little embarrassing? Well, yeah, sure. They're also getting paid a lot of money to do it, and this is the highest level of this. That's what happens. You know, blue heads become redheads and the top blows off. Right. So what do you do? Do you have enough rapport to understand that he's not attacking me,

Russell Wilson, the person. He's attacking me, Russell Wilson, the quarterback who made a bad decision that I should have made a different decision. Now, do they move on from that? Hopefully, but, you know, I can't speak for either side. I don't know them personally enough to know exactly what went down, but that's just playing the position for as long as I did, being around coaches, some of them yell, some of them don't. You know, I can see how those things happen. And sometimes they happen behind enclosed doors. Sometimes they happen right out in the front lawn where everybody and all the neighbors to see it. It's a little embarrassing. So we'll see how they bounce back. Yeah. You know, the other thing is Russell is very much on social media and this stuff. And Sean's kind of old school.

Oh, yeah. He's, yeah. Brady really didn't do a lot of that stuff until he beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. That was late. And Russell does a lot of the social stuff. So when something goes wrong situation, I can see an old school coach thinking, well, if you're not on Instagram all day, And I'm not saying that happened, but I can see an old school coach thinking, yeah, it's funny, you didn't pick that up, but you had 13 social media posts. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but I can see situationally that happening. It's so funny because, you know, when you forget little things like that, like I can, it's almost like a parent with a kid, right? Yes. And you forget to take out the trash.

You forget to, you know, pick up after the dog. You forget to do whatever. But you spent the night at Johnny's house last week and had a great. time and went to the dance, well, you had fun doing what you were doing. Those were obviously priorities, but doing your chores at home was not. You know what I mean? And so I can see how those kind of things get equated. And we're like, oh, well, you're having a great time in this, you know, world that doesn't even matter. That's not even real. Well, he said, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's a real thing. They're just different

personalities, different, you know, different generations. And they, they don't see the world the same necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't be a good quarterback and coach combo. Just, you know, we got a lot of cameras nowadays. You catch a lot of stuff. He gets a lot of audio. I see LeBron eating all the time and I don't care. You had a bite of a hot dog once in the world imploded and I'm like, it's a four-hour game. It happens.

Sometimes it happens. You know that crap you got? Oh yeah. And you get caught and that was during a timeout too. LeBron eats every other home game. LeBron literally orders a concierge comes about once a game to. eat like nobody cares. He's got like Uber Eats showing up on the court.

I was ahead of my time. Thank you. You were. All right, Mark Sanchez. Thanks for stopping by. Brian Billick was here earlier today. Tonight, Eagle, Seahawks. I think I like Seattle a little bit at home.

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