The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - What the Warriors need to do

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Chris Broussard of First Things First explains how the Warriors should rebuild after the seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:01:57 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, I've been talking about this today. Two years ago, I would have moved off Anthony Davis, and I don't know. Maybe he started drinking green smoothies, more sit-ups. I don't know what it is. But for the last year and a half, he's been the best defensive big in the league. Last night may have been one of his great games ever. 52 minutes.
Starting point is 00:02:17 He's already now top five in minutes. And I do believe he is the most consistently talented player on the Lakers, not LeBron James Chris Broussard joins us live. Drew about two years ago, three years ago, they tried to hand him the baton, and he came into camp out of shape. And for about a year, I was done with him. Something's happened. But they're six and four without LeBron.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Adilo actually gets, I think, fits better with AD than with LeBron. To me, it feels like AD's team on most nights. Does it to you? AD just doesn't really have the person. personality to take over the team. You know, he's got the ability, as you said. I mean, last night, he's playing on the floor with Janus, and AD was the best player. Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:05 I mean, you have seven offensive rebounds against Milwaukee. They're a great team, obviously, and they're huge, and he still was dominant on the backboards, obviously. So I just don't think night in, night out, though, AD has that personality to take over the team like that. But to the point you were making, Colin, about. D. Lowe and maybe others fitting better around AD than LeBron. Here's what it is. I think that these players, because of how great LeBron is and who he is in the league, his stature, I think there's a tendency to defer to him.
Starting point is 00:03:41 When he's on the court, when he's playing, there's a tendency to defer a little too much or look a little too much for him, and then you don't play as well. What's turned DiAngelo Russell around over the second half of the season was him, finally saying in AD and LeBron pushing him, look, I'm just going to play my game. I'm not going to worry about, oh, LeBron's the first option, AD's second option, I'm third or fourth. I'm just going to be me and be aggressive. And now all of a sudden he's playing the best basketball in years that he's played, maybe
Starting point is 00:04:12 of his career. And I think you saw that in Austin Reeves last night, who was great. And so I think they, when LeBron's there, they just, they can play five-player basketball. Like they can play the type of offense where everybody's getting touches. Everybody has the freedom to create. And obviously LeBron's going to do his thing. He's going to get you 25 points regardless. So you don't have to always run stuff for him or run stuff through him.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Let these other guys do their thing too. And that makes you more dangerous as a team. So the Warriors won last night. Miami rested some of their stars. I thought about a month ago, I thought they're really bridging the gap. old guys, new guys, but they're, again, inconsistent. I don't, I mean, I don't know what you do. I think they're going to move off Clay Thompson probably,
Starting point is 00:05:04 even though he's had some really good nights off the bench last night, starting lineup. Where are you on the Warriors going forward? Do you, they don't match up with Denver. And I don't even know if they match up with the Laker size. They're not going to beat Boston. They're not a championship team. Are you in the blowup phase? What do you do with them going forward?
Starting point is 00:05:24 Yeah, I mean, people are reluctant, and I get it. I guess we've always been that way when a superstar, top 10, 15 player of all time is still around. People are reluctant to say, it's over. Well, I'm not, Colin. It's over. The dynasty is done, all right? I mean, they're not going to beat the Lakers if they meet the Lakers in the plan because their Lakers size does give them problems. And I don't think, look, could they spoil a better team, you know, or a team.
Starting point is 00:05:54 that thinks it's got a nice postseason running it. Sure, they could upset somebody, but they have no chance of winning the West. I don't even think they make a deep playoff run. I don't think they make it to the second round, if that. So it's over. I think they need this off season. They got to move off Chris Paul.
Starting point is 00:06:13 They got to move off Clay. Look, he's a legendary. He's going to be a Hall of Famers, one of their best players ever. But we've seen teams that keep a player around just because of what he's, done, it doesn't end up well. And so I think they got them, if they want to have a chance to try to rebuild this thing on the fly around Steph, they're going to have to make those two
Starting point is 00:06:35 tough decisions. Clay obviously much tougher than CB3. And then I think you got Steph and Kaminga as kind of your guys going forward and you just try to build around them. So, but yeah, the dynasty as we knew it is dead, period. So I gave Milwaukee a little bit of a pass last night. First of all, they blew a big lead. That is the NBA in 2024. 15 point, 18 point leads me nothing. Too many good players, too many good shooters. The second thing is they've been on a stretch here for about two and a half, three weeks. They're playing good teams. They look tired down the stretch. They couldn't get stops. But I do think if they face Boston and Boston just shreds them. And I think Boston matches up
Starting point is 00:07:21 very well with Milwaukee, I do think, Dame was a bit of a Hail Mary, my takeaway is Milwaukee either has to get to the conference finals and give Boston a real battle, or if they get vanquished, if they get run over by Boston, I think Janice, if you listen to his language the last two years, he's been westernized. He wants to win now. I mean, by the way, I'm not knocking it, but a lot of times international players come in. they're loyal, they play nice. He's over that.
Starting point is 00:07:56 He'll fire a coach now. What happens if Milwaukee gets rolled by Boston, and I think they would? Where does Janus go? Does he stay? Is he satisfied? Well, I think, look, there's a few things. Number one, they got to get to the conference finals. And even that's not good enough, let's face it.
Starting point is 00:08:15 When they made that trade for Dame, it was championship or bust, okay? And that's what it should be for this team. They got to win a championship. Not just get there. They've won one already without game. So that is the charge. But looking at the way they've played this season, obviously they've had a coaching change. They don't have the athleticism and the depth that you might want them to have.
Starting point is 00:08:38 At the very least, they have to get to the conference finals. And as you said, if they play Boston well, I actually think it would be a good series. I'm picking Boston to win the East, but I think Milwaukee would give them some challenge. in that conference final. If they do that, then you say, okay, we got our building blocks of Janus and Dame. Let's just add around them. They need some wing athleticism, defenders, things like that. But I think they were going to next year like, this is it.
Starting point is 00:09:06 This is the one year we've got to get it done because they can make excuses. Doc, you know, Doc will have some excuses, you know, if he just came in midway through the season and all that. As far as Janus, I think he would, I think he'd be there next year, Colin, if they don't win his. this year, but I do agree with you. And here's, I agree that's a great comment you make about him being a bit westernized, right? But also, Janus is the caliber of player where he's going to really be criticized and his stature will be taken down if he does not win.
Starting point is 00:09:43 There are only a handful of players like that. All right, LeBron was in that class. Kevin Durant was in that class. And we saw what they did. They moved around so they could win. Dame is not really in that class. Most smaller guards and players aren't in that class. But Yonis, if Yonis doesn't win another championship,
Starting point is 00:10:02 people are going to really be taking knocks at his legacy. And he understands that, as you said, being westernized now. So I do think he'll start, he'll be looking around, and I don't think it would happen next year. But if they don't win it this year or next year, then, yeah, I think he definitely could be on the move. So Zach Eadie, 7-4, good closer, very back to the basket. It works at Purdue and college basketball, but college basketball fans get worked up if you suggest that dude, he can't play in the league.
Starting point is 00:10:34 He doesn't move great laterally, and the NBA is a spacing speed league. When you've talked to anybody about Zach Eadie, is he just not an NBA player at all? Look, I think he's on a roster. you know, some people are saying late first round or mid first round pick. I think late first round at best, maybe a second round pick. I think he'll be on a roster, but you said it. He can't move well enough in today's NBA. It's just as simple as that.
Starting point is 00:11:03 He will get exploited to the nth degree on defense. And I know he'll block some shots when he's got a chance, get a few rebounds. But teams, you know, if you got a big that can shoot, I mean, teams are just going to have field day with him defensively. So that's the problem. So I don't think he has any type of NBA career of substance, but I do think he gets on a roster and stays in the league for a little while. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:29 He's such a dominant college player. It's just, but I was talking about it earlier. Tebow was a dominant college player in football. Sometimes sports are different, different stylistically. It doesn't work. Chris Brousard. He's on after us. First things first.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Good seeing you, Brew. You too, Colin. All right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.
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Starting point is 00:14:17 Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's pivot to the NFL and the New York Giants, the third best team in the great state of New York.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Giants took a significant step backward offensively last season. Despite spending money all around, and nothing's worked for them. Heading into year three, Brian Daibold knows things have to change, and he's considering taking over the offensive play-calling duties. Something that I'm looking into. I think there's 20 head coaches at this point in time that call plays in the league. I've been doing a bunch of research, but no decision has been made. I'm still going through that process and thinking about what we need to do.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Yeah, I did it for a long time, but again, there's a lot of things that go into it. Again, part of the evaluation that I talk to Daryl is some other things too that I'm looking into. Take my time and do what I think is best for the team. Sounds to me like a guy who knows he's on the hot seat, and I'm not putting my job in the hands of some offensive coordinator. Brian Dable knows out of cold place. The problem is as a head coach, can you do that and still run the entire show? Take Carolina out. Just take them off the board.
Starting point is 00:15:52 That's a circus. No talent. Second worst team in the league. I think it's New England Giants are battling for it. I don't disagree. I think the Giants, I mean, listen, now, if you remove the Jets, their starting quarterback, if he's not healthy, they're not that much better than the Giants. They do have a good defense. But, like, yeah, it's weird.
Starting point is 00:16:13 You had a rant last year about New York teams just stinking in sports across the board. Well, high taxes, bad weather, a lot of pressure. Now, in Los Angeles, you have high taxes, but great weather, and the media is not as relentless. For a big market, Los Angeles is pretty laid back. You can also hide in Los Angeles. There's a million things going on. It's a very spread-out city. So in New York, you get incredible, you even get a city tax.
Starting point is 00:16:40 You get taxed to death. The weather's lousy. The media is rough, and it's a hard city to get around. In L.A., I would say the media goes after the Lakers and Dodgers a lot, but they kind of give a pass to the NFL teams, right? I think the media in this town is pretty forgiving. This is not Boston, New York, or Philly. It's just, and by the way, there are things about the media in the Northeast.
Starting point is 00:17:03 I love. I think sports talk radio in the Northeast is better. Like Chicago, New York, Philly. It's intense. It's hard. They talk sport. Is it smart? Well, I don't, I think there, I've heard a lot of smart shows, but I think there's an intensity to it.
Starting point is 00:17:18 You know, in L.A. in the West Coast, it's guy talk. It's, hey, it's no problem. There's another, there's a sunny day tomorrow. It's a different vibe out here. There are parts of the Northeast. I love, I think it's, but I'm saying New York is in about a 10-year cycle. Everything stinks. Yeah. And that's, and that's weird, because out in L.A., I mean, who's the third biggest pro athlete in New York City? Aaron Judge, Aaron Rogers. Jalen Brunson? Yeah. You could go to our ninth biggest.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Is it Matt Stafford? I mean, our coaches, Harbaugh, Sean McVeigh, Lincoln Riley, our coaches are stars. Let me ask you real quick, you're a radio guy. When I lived in the Northeast, I would like, you know, be driving on. You turn on sports talk radio, usually Francesa. And he's talking about like the middle relief for the Yankees.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Well, it's very intense. And I'm talking, that's like off. I'm instantly like, what do I care about the pool? It's a different culture. The weather is worse. You're trapped indoors. You watch more television. Out west, our weather is more moderate.
Starting point is 00:18:24 And I always said, we love sports out here. But the minute your team is average, people bail. Out east or in the Midwest, your teams are average. It's the winter. It's cold in the fall. It's a lousy spring. You sit indoors and watch it. Out here, the minute a team is average.
Starting point is 00:18:42 There's just beaches, mountains, Vegas, 68 degrees. It's just a different vibe. I'm not, there are things about the West I love, the moderate weather, but there's an intensity to the Northeast that I really appreciate. They so deeply care. But I thought you were more of a moderate as opposed to at the extremes of anything. Well, I tend to be, but I can also appreciate intensity. There's there, I can, I can appreciate like living and breathing for your baseball team.
Starting point is 00:19:12 It's kind of comical, but I appreciate it. Okay. Let's go to the Rams who, by the way, Rams with a nice pickup. According to Adam Schaefter, the L.A. Rams are signing Tredavius White your one year $8.5 million deal. I thought this was an underreported. I mean, I wouldn't do a rant on it, but he's a high-end starter when healthy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:32 In New York, this would be like a one-hour radio topic. No, come on. White is coming off a torn Achilles. Yes, yes. And now there's zero pass rush with Aaron Donald. So he's going to be on an island when he's clearly past his pride. They are going to attack. First of all, they had two picks last year on the D-line and both.
Starting point is 00:19:52 One was up for defensive rookie of the year, so they'll have a pass rush. They have a first to second and two-thirds. They're going to attack the defensive line. I assure you, I will bet you they'll start with an edge, second-round defensive tackle, second pick in the third-round defensive end. And then they'll wedge a receiver in there. Now you're like those rookies have to hit to help Tradevius White. Well, if a couple hit.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Their scouting department's been pretty darn good. They don't have a lot of busts. I get it. You and Sneeter buddies. I'm sure you guys are hanging out, and he's watching the show. Not buddies. I don't know if the way you speak glowingly about these guys. Remember Vegas, sorry, Draft King's win total was eight to half.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Tradeus White ain't more than that number. I got news for it. Last year I took the Rams over. This year I'm taking them over. You cannot have a sport with a top five head coach, a top six quarterback, a top six quarterback, a top 10 receiving duo, 11 draft picks, the offensive line solved, and tell me in an offensive league in a weaker conference, you can't win nine games?
Starting point is 00:20:49 You can't. That's one of the best over bets on the board. Probably one of my three worst takes last year was the Rams would be rebuilding. That was a. Smelly take. I said Eridado would maybe be on the market to be traded at the deadline. Obviously, didn't happen. So maybe you're right on the Rams.
Starting point is 00:21:05 We'll wrap up with the Jags as the final story here. So they were 8 and 3 last year. look to be headed toward an AFC South title. Remember, there was discussions. Are they going to get the number one seed? While they cratered, everything went poorly, lost five of their final six, and then in week 18, a brutal loss. Doug Peterson is hoping to change things and get them back on top in the AFC South.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I guess, I mean, you know, now we're going back to the hunter again, right? I mean, but, you know, this is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville, and this is the reason why you go get guys like Mitch Morris and Eric Armsteads and the Darnel Savages and guys that have been to the postseason. These guys have been captains on their teams and, you know, they've been to Super Bowls, they've been to AFC championship games, you know, so these guys know how to win. And that's kind of the influx of talent that we want to bring on to this, our young roster, guys that have been there, done that.
Starting point is 00:22:03 I like their moves. I have them winning their division. I like their moves. They got, they were three and six in their last nine games, Trevor Lawrence was not healthy. So I have them winning the division. Media loves to make excuses for, what does Nick call him the Prince or something?
Starting point is 00:22:18 What does he call Trevor Lawrence? Doesn't he have it some nickname for? Who's that? Somebody who was promised. He loves Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has not been great. Let's be real. Coming out, he was, oh my gosh, this guy from Clemson's going to be a star. Colin, the turnovers, they haven't stopped.
Starting point is 00:22:35 I like Lawrence. I'm rooting for him. Look at that hair. How can you root against him? That's quarterback franchise quarterback hair. Okay. That's quarterback in the division. Let's hear it. Can we just let it play out? Right now, I would take Trevor Lawrence, but C.J. Stroud had a very good rookie year. How about Thanksgiving? We go back and look at Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:22:58 By Thanksgiving, I think CJ Stroud. Fine. Heading into this season, who do you have more confidence in? Trevor Lawrence, who, by the way, lost Calvin Ridley, or C.J. Stroud. Trevor Lawrence. By an inch. Very close.
Starting point is 00:23:12 I think they're both very good. I like them both. I am team Trevor Lawrence. I'm a huge fan. No, I like them both. I'm allowed to like both. Just because I like somebody an inch less. If C.J. Stroud gives me another six, eight weeks like last year,
Starting point is 00:23:27 there is a saying called sophomore slump. Uh-huh. Oh, but does that apply to Jordan Love, too? Who you love and had a weekers? He's not a sophomore slump. He's in year five. He didn't play for three years. But he's not a sophomore.
Starting point is 00:23:41 How many times do you go to... Who do you feel better about Jordan Love or C.J. Stroud? Ending end of the season. C.J. Stroud. So Lawrence Stroud and Love, you would go... Again, inches not feet. I think Jordan Love is excellent, but I think Trevor Lawrence is top 10, and C.J. Stroud looks like he's going to be top 10.
Starting point is 00:23:59 I don't think Jordan Love's there yet. I'd have him more in the 12-13, but I want to see him play. I think when Jordan Love... Jordan Love got two guys in trouble. Justin Fields and his... played in week 18 and Jordan Love looked like Tom Brady and Mahomes combined and Chicago
Starting point is 00:24:15 looked at that and went that's who we got to face twice a year with Justin Fields, we're out and I think Dak played him and Jerry Jones went, that's the Packers quarterback for the next 10 years he outplayed Dak in our stadium and he was brilliant. I think
Starting point is 00:24:30 Jordan Love got a couple of people in trouble. I think Jerry looked at Dak next to him and went whoa and I think the Chicago people went, yeah. 10 times we got to play him in the next five years, we can't beat him with our quarterback. There's an argument. Three years in, of those three quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:24:46 you have the most questions about Trevor Lawrence. Okay? Here are the injuries Trevor Lawrence faced in the last part of the season. Knee bruise, ankle sprain, concussion, shoulder sprain. Guys barely got out of bed in the morning. Oh, he's like 26 years on what are he talking about? You don't want NBA players to rest, but a knee bruise for Trevor Lawrence.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Oh, my gosh. He's not the same guy. Give me a break. You ever had your shoulder sprained? I've had worse. Please. I'm not playing tackle football. You lived a cushy, shoot threes and play no D-life.
Starting point is 00:25:21 I have a little soft. J-Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. All right. Mascot or Mask not. We played this game last year.
Starting point is 00:25:35 How much do I know? How little do I know next? Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, gang, this is Jay Glazer, host of Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast. And every week, we will have on leaders from sports, entertainment, like Sean McVeigh, Lindsay Vaughn, Michael Phelph, David Spade, Guy Fiery, and also those who can help us in between the ears. Anyone from a therapist to someone like Ed Milet or John Gordon. We've all been through some sort of adversity to get to the top.
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Starting point is 00:26:56 You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:27:20 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.
Starting point is 00:27:36 So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross
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Starting point is 00:28:31 We also have AIDS on the table right now So Thank you for finishing that. sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Jay Mack, the tournament is in full swing. We did this game. We do it once a year where I have to guess. You know, there's 360
Starting point is 00:29:02 Division I basketball teams. There's a lot of teams out there. And I'm pretty good on your top 50. Then you get into the weeds and I'm not great. So we're calling it mascot or mask not. You give me a school and I try to guess the mascot in these
Starting point is 00:29:18 men's, women's, tournaments, all this activity out there. You ready to go? I am. Let's start with mascot or mask not Moorhead State Eagles. Beaker. Is that the mascot or is that not a real mascot?
Starting point is 00:29:36 Morehead State is Beaker Their mascot Last year I had some tears in my eyes It's so bad I'm going to say mascot Got it, wow, well done I just don't think our staff's clever enough To come up with such an awful nickname
Starting point is 00:29:57 How was Beaker awful? Remember Bunsen and Beaker Muppet Babies? No, I don't All right, let's move on. Mascot or Mask Not Herdu Boilermakers the Perdude Well, I've seen the mascot And I think that's really good So I'm going to say real
Starting point is 00:30:18 No It's fair They should change it to that The Perdude I think it's funny What is it? It's a boiler maker, obviously Yes
Starting point is 00:30:28 Purdue Pete is the real mascot Purdue Pete For a school that's that smart Perdu Pete That's it Yeah Perdu Pete is the real I think Purdue rolls.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Yes, yes. How about we give a slight bonus payment to the producer in the back that came up with that? Yeah, I haven't feel like it. Purdue is crazy not to steal that. Yes, yes. All right, mascot or mask not. NC State Wolf Pack, Mr. Wolf. That's real.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Hey, it's okay. Two out of three, not bad. We're not rooting NC State against Marquette. Let's move on. Mascot or Masknot, Florida Atlantic Owls, whoever. Whoever. That seems awful vague. Whoever.
Starting point is 00:31:13 That's fake. They had to sell it. They had a good run last year. Not so much this year. Next up, mascot or mask not. Utah State Aggies steer clear. I'm in Utah. I should know that.
Starting point is 00:31:30 You should. Steer Clear. You get it? Steer. Again, I think it's close to that, but I think that's fake. Wow. He's on fire. Cooking with gas.
Starting point is 00:31:43 for five. What's the real one? The real mascot is big blue. Very original. Oh, it's not close. Yeah. All right. Next up, mascot or mask not? Virginia Cavaliers. Cavanman. Again, this is one of America's great public institutions. Phenomenal school. I can't believe Cavman. I've seen the mascot a hundred times. I'm going to say fake. I'm so sorry, it's real. Cavman is the real mascot for UVA. Next up, Mascot or Mastard? not, Dayton Flyers, Flyer Miles. That's totally fake. Correct. The real mascot is Rudy Flyer.
Starting point is 00:32:29 I don't know. That sounds so dumb. That's so bad. Sorry, Dayton fans. Mascot or Mask Not, Kansas Jayhawks, Big J and Baby J. Big J little J. Oh, that's script. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's, that's false.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Fake. It's real. That's like the real mascot. I don't know that. I know fans are probably like, how do you not know that? I've seen all these? No fans are saying that. Come on.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Hey, there's Little J. It doesn't, no, that doesn't. I thought it was like chock, talk, hawk, something, you know. Rock chalk, yes, yes, close. All right, mascot or mascot? BYU Cougars, Kit Romney. That's terrible. That is fake.
Starting point is 00:33:16 That is... That is... The real name is... Cosmo the Cooger. Kit Romney's pretty damn good. Okay. Mascot or Mastonite. South Dakota State Jack Rabbits.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Colin. He's wearing his hat backwards. Okay, so... Oh, he's wearing his hat backwards. So they're screwing with me. That's fake. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Yeah. All right, let's move on to... This is the... I thought the toughest one. Masked or Mastonaut. Yale Bolton. dogs, handsome Dan. That's a good-looking dog right there.
Starting point is 00:33:58 That's no money. Yale, well, they are the Yale Bulldogs. You know, you ever been to the Yale Bowl when you were back there? I made a trip to the Yale Bowl just for the history. When I was back east, I went to West Point, which is unbelievable. Stay the night at West Point. Amazing. And then I went to the Yale Bowl, which wasn't far from where I lived.
Starting point is 00:34:17 It's kind of fascinating place, one of the legendary stadiums in America. They've got a good basketball team. Harvard's got a good football team. Princeton does basketball. Yale's got a basketball team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Handsome Dan? I say that's real. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Back on the winning track, nicely done. Next up, mascot or mask not? Long Beach State, L.B. That's actually, that's clever. I think that'd be real. I like that. That's good one. That's good.
Starting point is 00:34:45 That's good. That's good. Long Beach. L.B., yeah. Mascot or Masknot, Nebraska Cornhuskers. Lul. Cobb, Costas. Cobb, Nebraska, corn.
Starting point is 00:34:59 Bob didn't go. Bob went to Syracuse. Bob didn't go to Nebraska. That's false. That's fake. It's a little red, isn't it? A little red, yes. You got it.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Wow. Damn. All right. Finally. Mascot or Masknot, Houston Cougars, Manther and Puma Thurman. Well, I could see them in the last five years, because it's kind of
Starting point is 00:35:30 a ascending fledgling. I mean, it was great Fais, Lama Jamma, Jama, and didn't do anything for a while. Now it's, like, hot again. Calvin Sampson has a lot. I could see somebody having fun with it. Mather and Puma Thurman. I'm going to go crazy and say
Starting point is 00:35:44 that's real. It's fake? It's Shasta and Sasha, apparently, is the real one. Jim Nance would have known that. I didn't have any idea. Yeah, Uma Thurman didn't. Well, I knew it was, but I could see somebody having fun in
Starting point is 00:35:58 Houston as they've kind of revised. idolize their program. I've always told you the best college basketball team that never won a championship was the Houston Cougars when they had Akeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler. And they had other players, Rob Young, Larry Mashu, I mean, they were just stacked. And then the St. John's team that had Mark Jackson, Bill Wennington, who I saw this weekend. He's in the NBA for a long time. Yeah, he's a Bulls broadcaster, funny guy.
Starting point is 00:36:25 They had Willie Glass. Walter Berry. Walter Berry, Chris Mullen. they did not win. They were good. Those two teams, it's insane how much talent they have. You're kind of decent at like 70s, 80s sports trivia. Well, back then you didn't have the internet wasn't the thing.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Your brain wasn't like Instagram. I mean, literally when I grew up, I would go out in my yard, draw up like baseball Dodgers, Cincinnati Reds, Braves lineups, and I'd play wiffle ball. With yourself. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, I did the exact same thing. Yeah, I would announce the games because I grew up in the stick,
Starting point is 00:36:57 so I didn't have real close neighbors. So you just learned to be creative and do play-by-play with myself, playing basketball. I mean, I can go back. That's wild. I was like the only guy who did that. No, no, my 1970s sports knowledge is Rain Man. Everybody makes fun. You just, this is what you were a kid.
Starting point is 00:37:15 You didn't have all these outlets to go waste your time. We didn't have iPhones, internet, cable TV. Like, that was brand new. When you watched baseball on Saturday on NBC, you had one big baseball game. And in the 70s and 80s, it was Reds, Dodgers, Pirates, Phillies were usually those teams. And that's back in the senior circuit when the National League dominated. They had all the good teams. I'll take your word for it.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Yeah. Well, you don't mess around with Rain Man. He knows his stuff. All right, first things first is around the corner. And I'm really fired up for some of these Gonzaga Purdue basketball games over the weekend. I'll say it again. Go Chalk. Favorites win.
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