The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Wilson, Jackson

Episode Date: September 1, 2022

Russell Wilson’s new contract Lamar Jackson isn’t getting what he wants   Guest: Randy Mueller   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on a football Thursday. Game day for college football fans, week one. Of course, we are one week away, one week away from the NFL kicking off. Think about that? Man. Literally in one week, in one week, Bill's Rams at SoFi. Right?

The bills who should have been in the Super Bowl against the Rams who won the Super Bowl. Crazy. And, you know, it's going to be interesting all year long. to see how the bills react on paper. And based upon the analysis of so many, the bills are the team to beat, at least in the AFC, maybe in the entire league,

but you lose Brian Daiball, who was a quarterback whisperer to Josh Allen and the architect of that offense. And then you still have the lingering, you know, man, you had the lead in Kansas City 13 seconds to go. There is no way you lose. that game. And the only way to

eradicate those demons is to live that again. Right. So Bill's Rams one week from today, we got college football tonight. By the way, in terms of the NFL, Randy Mueller will join us. Former Executive of the Year, who was the general manager of the Saints and the Dolphins. He's going to join us up coming in 15 minutes. Let's start with the news of the day. Russell Wilson, five-year, $255 million extension, with $165 million in guarantees. That's the report out today from ESPN's Adam Schaefter. The mega deal is considered the third largest, most lucrative contract in terms of guaranteed

money. Deshawn Watson's $230 million, although that's been reported as $250. Kyle Murray's 189.5, but Kyler Murray's contract has also been reported as, you know, 130 in guarantees as well. So it's kind of hard to tell exactly, but it does look like he's got 105, by the way, Kyle Murray gets $105 million that's signing. That's crazy. That's crazy. But it looks like 160 million in guarantees. Some have it at 109.5. Again, it's a lot of money. The 165 would put him ahead of Kyler Murray.

That's likely where they landed on. So it's between the second and the third highest in terms of guarantees. What was the first thing that came to your mind when you saw this? I just, you know, hit me up on Twitter at Gottlieb Show or Instagram at Gottlieb show or on the Doug Gottlieb show fan page on Facebook. Hit me up on any of those. First thing that came to your mind. Was it, man, the Broncos, they love their quarterback.

Was it, well, that's why Seattle traded him. Was it, there's no real, remember that Colin, well, he wants a bigger market. You want a bigger market, he just want to get paid. Don't get me wrong, Denver's a gigantic market and a growing market as well. But Colin's assertion was one of the coasts because his wife, Sierra, is a superstar. This is the opposite of one of the coasts, right? I mean, unless you want to do the high plains desert as some sort of because they're sand, I don't know.

It's not the coast. But the first thing that had, first thing I thought of wasn't the Seahawks, wasn't the Broncos, wasn't Russell Wilson who, I mean, he just sounds like a politician. You know, part politician, part preacher. he just, it sounds a little force to me. He's a tremendous football player. Man, this is a gigantic payday. You want the first thing I thought of was? Tough day for Lamar Jackson.

You're like, what? Tough day. Lamar Jackson's going to get paid. It's going to get a new contract. But if he's going to sit there and he went on social media, if you don't think Lamar deserves $250 million guaranteed, you don't love Lamar. I don't think the Ravens love Lamar.

Because if Russell Wilson, who we can talk about Russell Wilson in terms of, is he cheesy, is he corny, is he whatever? It's fine. Right. I mean, look, Russell Wilson has, he's got a year in which he led the league in touchdown passes. He has him in the MVP, but he's finished in the top four for offensive player of the year four times. he's been a pro bowler, I believe, 10 times over. Not that pro bowler, right? He's been an all pro.

He's won a Super Bowl and played in a Super Bowl that people think, even though he threw the game losing interception, think if they hand the football off, they win. He's had one losing season as a starting quarterback. That was in his first, that was in his last year with the Seahawks. Russell Wilson's a stud. There's no, do I think he's as good as Aaron Rogers or Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen? No, but he's much closer to those guys than he is to the middle of the pack.

It's a really, really good quarterback who can run, who can throw unbelievable accuracy on the move. Remarkable. But if you're Lamar Jackson and you're sitting there going, hey, the market is Deshaun Watson. This is just about real estate comps. It's no different. And you're like, look, that house at the end of the street, that sold for a million. And then the realtor sits there and goes like, I understand it's sold for a million. Okay, but you had an out-of-town buyer.

The market was at a weird place. You had multiple offers. It got bid up. Somebody came in, cash only million dollars. It should have gone. on for $750 max, it went for a million. You know, like, look, that's, that's the comp. That's who, like, that sounds great.

Every other house on your street went for five and six. And now one goes for seven, seven and a quarter. And you're sitting there going like, now we want a million for ours. You're going to be sitting on that house for a while. The first thought that came to my, the very first thought that came to my mind was really hurts Lamar Jackson's argument. Because similarly, Lamar Jackson's argument. Jackson, not coming off a great year.

And, you know, it's really interesting that obviously Russell Wilson was hurt last year, came back early, wasn't as good coming off the injury. But even in a bad year, Russell Wilson was 25 touchdown, six interceptions. Look at what Lamar did last year. It was not good. It was not. He's had great seasons. Last year was not one of them. It wouldn't even been seen as a good one.

And we can go through the litany of injuries. That's fair. They were to his running backs. Didn't have Ronnie Stanley. But his backup was as or in some ways more effective. But even that doesn't matter. The Ravens want Lamar Jackson. They want to keep Lamar Jackson.

They want to sign Lamar Jackson long term. They're just completely disagreeing on comps. And the league has spoken. Since that deal, you can do Kyler Murray. Okay, that's only a second contract. That's the same as Lamar Jackson is as Lamar Jackson is. Or you can do. You can say Russell Wilson, who's as or more, he's more accomplished than Lamar Jackson.

When a more accomplished quarterback signs for far less and guaranteed money than what you want, it's not good news. And you can sit there and say, this is my comp, this is my comp, this is my comp, no, it is not. The league has in fact spoken with Kyler, with Derek Carr, and they will eventually with Lamar Jackson. and if people want to push him to, hey, then just don't sign, wait for the rest of the year. One, you run the risk of getting hurt based on how you play. You run the risk of not playing as well. And even if you think, hey, at the end of the year, my contract expires, they can still franchise tag you.

And there is nothing you can do. He is not a free, he's not a complete free agent. The Deshawn Watson thing was incredibly unique. and it was a laughably bad contract written by the Browns. Not just because they didn't know when they were going to get him and all the off the field nonsense, but Deshaun Watson's torn his ACL twice. He holds that football a ton. So, you know, what's it going to look?

What does that contract look like fully guaranteed if he gets hurt? And you could say, hey, Brady doesn't get hurt. You know, Philip Rivers never got hurt. Eli never got hurt. those guys didn't move like Deshaun moves. So Lamar runs more than all of them. My first thought, my very first thought when Russell Wilson signed was not,

this is why Seattle was ready to move on. They knew he wanted a gigantic contract, one which wouldn't be, they're not able to build a new championship nucleus with him. No, it wasn't that Denver finally found their quarterback. We knew when they got him that. It was a hard day if you're Lamar Jackson to sit there and say to Sean Watson's the comp when Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, and Kyla Murray all signed for far less in guaranteed money.

That appears to be, this is much closer to what Lamar's comp is going to be in terms of guaranteed compensation. Coming up next, I'll ask the NFL, former NFL executive of the year what he thinks Lamar is ultimately going to get, what he thinks of Russell's contract, and, and what he thinks of Jimmy Garoppolo remaining in San Francisco. I'm Doug Gottlieb. That's next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Hurt. Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. Got a good best for last for you. I think you're going to enjoy it. It gets you fired up for college football. Heard line news upcoming. First, though, Randy Mueller joins us.

Former NFL executive of the year. He was general manager with the Saints and the Dolphins. Kind of to spend some time with us here in the herd course. He runs the football GM podcast for the athletic. And Ray, let's just start with the news of the day. Russell Wilson, it's being reported, what, 165 million guaranteed? A newly reworked contract? What's your reaction to the deal and the numbers?

Well, I'm not surprised by it, Doug. I think it's something that they all knew was coming. I think it's probably the driving force behind why Seattle said no and why they wanted to move on. I don't think they wanted anything to do with these kind of numbers and contract extension. So as we've talked about, that shelf life had expired. And you knew with the amount of compensation that Denver gave up, they were probably going to get him a new contract. And I figured he would be asking for one sooner than later. So I'm not surprised by it.

I'm actually not surprised by the numbers either. I think the value was generated off the path. I think the interesting part for me is what they get going forward. And we'll find out if it's a good deal for the Broncos, obviously, in Russell's play. Because as we know, the last year or so, it hasn't been great in Seattle. So maybe it's the surrounding cast that they're expecting him to kind of push forward, but time will tell on that front. That's an interesting discussion that I don't think enough people have had. I want to get to that.

I want to pocket that for one second because this is. is a league like any of them where it's about comps. First time I saw that number, I thought, not good news of your Lamar Jackson trying to push the, hey, I should get Deshaun Watson numbers, right? Because everything else has fallen in line with Derek Carr, Kyler Murray, and now Russell Wilson. Granted, these are different, you know,

this is Wilson's third contract, Kyler's second, and Derek Carr, I think this is third contract. But the idea that, you know, in the 130 to 150, 160 million guaranteed, that's about the comp in the first three years, as opposed to all five years being guaranteed with Dishon Watson. Do you believe that to be the case,

that this is not good news for Lamar if he really wants that Deshaun Watson contract? I don't think that it has that close of a correlation, Doug. That's just my opinion. I think most in the NFL view the Russell-Wilson deal. It's almost like a Golden Parachute. You knew it was coming. You're talking about a different age, a different point in his career, like you mentioned.

If I'm Lamar, I'm probably sticking to my guns as long as I can, and I don't know that I'll ever get what Deshawn Watson got, because I think the pushback will be, hey, if you're a free agent, you can demand and get that kind of stuff, and that's what Watson got. But I do think that the average per year and some of the other mechanics that are involved in these contracts, Lamar is going to ask for and probably get at the end of the day. I mean, I think he's probably going to get more average per year,

and I don't think that's going to be a problem. I think the guarantees are going to fall somewhere, you know, between the 165 and 230. Again, probably not going to be a problem for the Ravens to do that. So I don't think that this has a lot to do with where Lamar is just based on how good these players are at this point in their career. Yeah, the fear that would have with Lamar is, look, if he wants five years, right, and you have this being his fifth year option, you're going to sign up for six years? him not being hurt, right? Like, whatever you think of his ceiling and if they believe, they built the entire offense around him, they had a top level defense and he was on a rookie contract.

So, you know, the level of support will be interesting. But how many years, you've been a general manager, you've done this. How many years, considering he runs the football more than anybody in modern football history has run the football during his time in the NFL, how many years would you sign up in terms of guaranteed money? Well, I totally agree with you. I think the style of play has to be a factor, but I don't think that's Lamar's fault. I think this is a position that the Ravens have put themselves in. They've generated a system built around Lamar's skill set, so durability is definitely a factor. I think it benefits them to probably sign him to a shorter-term deal, and I'm not sure that's a bad thing for Lamar either, but I will say this,

they're all in. The Ravens have no other options. They have not drafted a quarterback. They don't have a fallback. They're on a high wire act with this skill set and this type of scheme without a net. So I don't know what the right number is at the end of the day, but my guess is it's probably somewhere in between. If it's a four or five year deal, everybody kind of gets what they want and they move on. But I've been saying for two years, Doug, that I think the Ravens should draft a quarterback somewhere along the way just to give them a safety net and another option. I'm not trying to replace them are. I'm just saying let's try to advance our cause here. Some of the worst deals I ever made as a GM were the ones where I had no options. And right now the Ravens have

no options. So they almost have to do this deal. You don't think they have an option in terms of backup quarterback as well as Tyler Huntley played last year? Well, I think he's somewhat of an option, but he's an unproven commodity. I would not consider him in Lamar's class at all. So I don't think that's enough. I could see him being a Tyrod Taylor type comp, you know, out there. Someone might pay him as a bridge guy for a year or two. But to replace Lamar Jackson with him, I think that's fool's gold. I don't think that's going to be the case.

Randy Muehler joining us here. Doug Gottliebun for Collins to hurt on Fox Sports Radio app. All right, let's get back to Russell. The other part you brought up, which is really interesting, is like he's getting paid based upon his past performance. Usually in the NFL, you get paid based upon

the performance you're going to have, right? This is, and Seattle, whatever they saw, whether it was the bottom line, you know, some of it is, and I've tried to be explained it all day. Some of it is, hey, look, all that money tied up when you have to rebuild the rest of your roster, everyone else rebuilds their roster with a guy on a rookie contract, right? That's the smart way to rebuild in the NFL is get a quarterback,

get them under your rookie deal like they did when they had Russell Wilson as a third round pick. But there's some of this where he's not the same guy that he was. What is your belief on where Russell Wilson is in the career arc? Well, I think we've seen the best of him. That's just my opinion. I think his legs have not been the same the last year, year and a half. When he was at his peak, he was making plays and extending third downs and making throws really athletically outside the pocket.

We haven't seen a lot of Russell doing that in the last year. Now, they had a new offense last year, a new offensive scheme. That clearly was a little bit of a mess. It wasn't all on the same page, so I can't blame Russ for all. of that. But the other thing with Russ is you get a lot of stuff off the field as well. And I'm not sure Seattle was ready to sign up for that either for the long haul. So it's all good. It's in Denver right now. Everybody seems to be on the same page. Nathaniel Hackett and new coach is obviously winning friends and influencing people.

So he's going to be on board. And when you give up that kind of comp, you're going to have to pay the guy. You can't let him out the door after a year. So it's a long-term commitment from them. And one that their roster built around him is willing to make. I just don't think Seattle was at that point. So I think Seattle is still, you know, searching for a quarterback. So you've got to be a little bit cognizant of, be careful what you wish for, because I think they're probably going to take a step back initially.

Their hope is that they can find that option longer term down the road. Randy Mueller, our guest, former executive of the year, general manager with the Saints and with the Dolphins. What was your reaction to Jimmy Garoppolo, reworking his deal and staying with San Francisco as a backup for $6.5 million this year? I actually had called this from the very first day, and I'm not beating my chest.

It just didn't make sense to me to let Jimmy Garoppolo walk. Even if you do have a great feeling about Lance, even if you do have a feeling that he's going to be a star someday, Trey Lance is far from there yet. And I always thought that, hey, let's keep Jimmy G. You've got a playoff team. Let's have some insurance. Let's don't run him off quite yet.

And I thought the market for him, especially after he had the surgery, and you combine that with the money he was making, was going to be limited. So I thought all along it makes sense, and I think there's some sanity that finally came into play, and it's a win-win for everybody. Jimmy G.'s been allowed to seek a trade since March, at least that we know of. He came back to them, and I know Don Yee's agents, a very smart guy. They've explored the market.

This was the best they could do, and coming back here to San Francisco, and I think he thinks he's going to get the ball. He's watched Tray Lance. for a year and a half now. He knows the competition. And I think he thinks he's going to get the ball here again at some point to set himself up for a run and free agency a year from now. How do you manage that as, you know,

how does John Lynch manage that? Like you invested a ton in Tray Lance, but you also have a championship caliber team. Like you look at the Niners roster and you're like, ooh, Fred Warner, that guy can play. Nick Bosa might be the best player in football when he's healthy, right? Debo, Sammy. you just put a punch of money into him.

Brandon and I, you're Trent Williams. Like, they got dudes on both sides of the ball. How do you balance out the fact that you believe in this kid? You've invested a bunch. But Chelsea, you've got to win now. You've got to strike while the iron's hot. How do you balance that? Yeah, I think it's a great point.

I think the locker room's happy that Jimmy G is there for that reason, Doug. I think this gives them some insurance. If this season struggles to the point where they think Tray Lant is holding them back, I don't know how that John Lynch, or Kyle Shanahan could go in that locker room and just say, we're going to ride it out with Trey Lance. I just think his development isn't the most important thing for them. I think in the long run, yes,

but the time that it takes for that to happen can't be at the expense of the rest of their locker room. And like you say, these veterans that are ready to go right now. So it takes some managing. I also heard that they're worried about certain people would be worried about having Trey Lance look over his shoulder. I got news for you. Professional sports, we're all looking over our shoulder every day. So if that bothers him, they got the wrong guy for the job to start with. So Trey will be a pro.

He'll learn how to get some thick skin. Part of it is to take the criticism that's going to come. He's going to have some up and downs. But I don't think having Jimmy G. there is going to set back his growth or it's going to hurt his ego or anything like that. I think Trey Lantz will rise above that. And if he doesn't, we're learning about him as well. Do you like what New England's doing, changing schemes, using multiple former head coaches, and Bill Belichick to rework an offense?

I really don't understand it, Doug. I guess it's above my pay grade, but I know this. If I was going to install an offense or run an offense, I would probably get some experts to do it, and this is not a knock on Joe Judge or Matt Patricia, but I don't think anybody was looking to hire them as offensive gurus in this league.

And, you know, maybe that's a little bit of an overstatement by me, but I think they're struggling because of it. I know Belichick can spin any way, any how he wants. I think they will eventually get it, but it's not like Mack Jones is a seasoned veteran in the league and has seen everything anyway. So it's kind of a convoluted way to grow and develop Mac Jones. I think you might see some setbacks initially. But if it wasn't Bill Belichick doing this, you know everybody would be criticizing to the

nth degree the plan. And I guess we've got to trust Bill. he's earned it and time will tell if it's right or not what they're doing with their offense. Tom Brady takes 11 days away from training camp. Now, look, I understand he doesn't necessarily need to be there, but everyone also says, well, when he's there, it raises the level for everybody else, right? Tom Brady's there, raises our level.

Well, you're not there. It's his offense. What do you think of what's going on in Tampa? Yeah, you know, when I saw the press conference, first off, let me say I didn't give a lot of thought to it when he left. I figured this was built in with his decision, with his family, before he came back to the second time. I just felt like maybe he does step away. And he's 45 years old. We all need our legs need rest, right?

So that made sense. But when I saw him come back in the press conference that he held, it looked like a different dude, man. It just didn't sound like him. It didn't look like him. That gave me pause. And for whatever reason, I just felt like he was not in it at that point. Like, his mind was far away. And so that's just my personal opinion.

I sound like I need to be laying on a couch talking to a psychiatrist, but that's just the view of it from the outside. What they do from here on, I don't know. I know this. They've had a lot of change there. Obviously, a new head coach. Interior Offensive Line is different. The system is going to be tweaked now.

Bruce Ariens isn't overseeing the offense. So there's a lot of change that have happened there. think every day matters with regard to feeling comfortable with that change. So I'm not really drinking the Tampa Couleeve right now for the long haul this year. I think they have some talent. I just don't know that I'm ready to put them in the class with the Rams and some of the other elites in the NFC. One of the other elites in the NFC, the team had home field advantage was the Green Bay Packers.

Yeah. Looks like defensively better roster. Looks like offensive line, outstanding. It looks like they want to run the football. But you have Aaron Rogers. And you don't have any proven number one. And Alan Lazard, if he's your number one, he wasn't seen as a great number two, I thought. Is this the recipe for success in Green Bay?

Well, I see efficiency. I see more processing with their offense. I see not being able to throw it up to Devante as much as in the past. And maybe in the long haul, that is okay. But I think you're right. I think this is a work in progress. I do think their defense is better. I happen to be at their joint practices two weeks ago with the Saints,

and this was when Aaron Rogers came out and kind of railed on the young receivers. But I got news for you. Those practices that I saw, he wasn't on the same page with Alan Lassard either. So it was kind of a whole group. He just couldn't come out and say that against them. So I think there's a process there, and I'm with you. I don't think Alan Lazzard is probably a number one receiver. Maybe they think they don't need one.

Maybe it's a group. Strength is in numbers, but time will tell. I do think they're going to be better in those other areas. They're going to run the ball. Their defense is better. And maybe that makes them better as a whole. But as far as as explosive as they've been in the past, I don't know if that's going to be a part that isn't a pretty good work of progress

and it takes some time to develop. Are the Saints the team we should be talking more about? I bring it up because you see this. My late father was an old basketball coach. And he used to always say, like, look, the year after a big time coach, leaves, you still kind of have some of that carryover, right? You have some of the discipline of the old guy with some new fresh ideas. And so that year you can really capitalize. And he talked about when Parcells would leave. And you see it in other sports as well.

Dennis Allen's been pretty good of what he's done outside of, he did not have a great head coaching stint previously. James Winston has shown signs of being, maybe not an elite level, but a good, solid quarterback. And they didn't have Mike Thomas the last two years. And the defense, again, on paper, looks pretty salty. Like, the Saints feel like the team we should be talking about. You've seen them in person. What's your belief? I totally agree.

I think they got after the Packers, the two days that I saw. And I think you can take more from these joint practices nowadays than you can from the preseason games. Because these teams are scripted. They can actually set things up, you know, and actually look and do more things with regard to how we're going to develop as a team. I saw the Saints also in an unknown part of it, that people don't really give a lot of ink to and a lot of attention to, the same special teams are really good as well.

So I think it comes down to two things. Their defense is great. I agree with that. I have a chance to be great. It's James and can he stay healthy for 17? You know, and really how they evolve that offense with James, I think, but it's Michael Thomas, like you said. That's the guy they've been missing, really, for the last two years.

I think those are the two keys on offense. They'll be able to run the ball. their offensive line should be fine. But I agree with you. I think the Saints are kind of liking where they're at now. They're kind of under the radar, not getting much attention. Don't forget, they've got after Tampa in the regular season the last couple of years. So I agree with the carryover.

They've had a change at head coach, but they've also got a lot of the same people under where Sean Peyton was. And so there's very little adjustments having to be made. Randy, great insight, man. Really appreciate to join us. Look forward to talking to this. The season kicks off in one week. from today we got real NFL football. Thanks for being our guest. Thanks, sir.

That's Randy Mueller, former NFL executive of the year. He's the GM of the Saints, GM of the Dolphins. He co-hosts the Football GM Podcasts on The Athletic. Let's get to rhyme music with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I mean, that division is interesting, right? Because you like Carolina, I think Carolina is a little better than people think.

When they've had Christian McCaffrey, they're a different team. They had them all three games start the year last year. granted against, you know, kind of bottom of the league, but they were 3-0. I think the Saints are the things, we're talking so much about Tampa. Like, well, you know, Tampa, they'll still figure out win the division. Will they? You know? Sure.

No, I mean, Daniel Jeremiah just yesterday, I believe, on this show, you asked him, of all the teams, you know, we know who to look out for, who's the team that has the roster that we're probably underrating, and that's the team that he named, the New Orleans Saints, way more talent than people know. We'll continue. What's your first story? Yeah, we'll continue in the NFL, Doug, and start off with this one. We know the Cowboys will be missing their eight-time Pro Bowl left tackle Tyrant Smith for most, perhaps all of the season. Yesterday, Jerry Jones was asked about rookie Tyler Smith, stepping in as a starter, which he said is likely to happen. Well, now there's a new development.

According to NFL insider Jeff Howe, the Cowboys are scheduled to meet with nine-time pro-baller Jason Peters, who's now 40 years old and played with the Bears last year. Now, despite his age, surprisingly enough, according to PFF, Peters was actually a top 15 left tackle last year with the Bears. So it looks like Jerry, which, you know, more power to him, maybe changing his tone a little bit, not necessarily rolling with the rookie and looking at some other options. Well, the first thing is, I understand pro football focus in the rankings. If he was really a top 15 left tackle, he would not be unemployed today. Okay. That's just, I'm just being, being, not having broken down, Bears film or whatever. If he was the top 15 tackle. And like brilliantly, there's going to be a lot of teams they're going to bring in Jason Peters to take a look.

The issue with older players isn't the, can he play on a Sunday? It's can he play in a Sunday and then play the next Sunday? And then play the next Sunday. And then play Thursday. And then play on the Thursday. And then play on the Thursday. Right. And if you're playing with the Cowboys, I know, I know. at least one Thursday they're going to be playing as well, right? So can you do that? It may be exactly what they need in terms of his veteran presence and leadership, and he can also be kind of a coach to work with Tyler Smith. I don't think the Cowboys are the only team.

And if they bring him in and he starts immediately, it does not speak well for where they think Tyler Smith is. But I also think that, like, look, guys on the street for a reason. And it's not because he has, It's not because he has like personal warts. It's just because 40 years old. Yeah.

Tom Brady playing quarterback at 45, hard to believe. Being a elite offensive lineman for 17 games of the regular season and a playoff push at 40 would be something else. Doug, I do have to let you know. This is a disclaimer. This is required. It's the final hour of herd line news. We've basically gone the entire show without mentioning or discussing

USC football. So as it's written in the contract of the show with or without Colin, we do have to talk about it in some form of fashion. So here we go. USC has officially released their first depth chart, making after a complete makeover of their team hiring new head coach Lincoln Riley, college football senior writer for the athletic Max Olson pointed out on Twitter. It appears by his count, USC has 19 transfers. in their two deeps according to this depth chart. So a complete and total overhaul of what you can expect from their starting lineup when they kick off the season on Saturday.

You know, they got rice on Saturday. And the big challenge, you know, Josh Henson's their offensive coordinator. He's a, he's actually a classmate of mine in Oklahoma State. You know, he's an offensive line guru. He was at Missouri as their OC. He was at A&M going back to last year. You know, their ability to protect Caleb Williams. and what's crazy about Caleb Williams is as good as he was last year at Oklahoma.

He wasn't the number one through all of their training, you know, through training. And he didn't really, he didn't play high school football the year before. So he doesn't, he actually hasn't played a ton of football. But he has otherworldly talent, not just in terms of the tangibles, but intangibles as a leader, which is going to be fascinating. But like, look, you know, when you get 19 transfers, it's hard to throw a team to and have a spring and a fall and then all of a sudden, hey, now we're playing real dudes. Fresno is going to be a, Fresno will be a fight, will be a slog, but they do run the

benefit of playing a fairly soft schedule. Even USC usually plays a much more difficult schedule. This one kind of opens up for them. It's going to be interesting to see how they fare in year one. Everyone's saying great on offense and we have no idea on defense. My questions are on that offensive line. We'll wrap it up with this, Doug. Change is inevitable.

All walks of life, that's true. It's also going to be true in college football as we expect. College Football insider Brett McMurphy, as well as Ross Dellinger, are reporting that tomorrow's board of managers meeting. The college football playoff committee could adopt a 12-team playoff for the final two years of the current contract, which means that could be coming in 2024-2020. So in two years, it'll expand? Basically correct, yes, in about two years, which mostly lines up with when a lot of this conference

realignment is expected to take place. Yeah, I'll just state it. I think this all sucks. It's awful, and you're going to destroy the fabric of what made it was made college football unique. You had it right there for you, okay? College football has always said, hey, winning your league matters more than it doesn't matter, really, in college basketball to most people. In programs, it does. But now that's all going to go away, right?

because you have so many teams stacked in the SEC in the Big Ten that they're going to go like, well, you know, let's get 12 in so you can have multiple teams from the league. You know? I mean, look, this thing should have been worked out with the conferences staying whole. And then every league champion of the five best leagues would get an automatic birth and then you have three at-larges.

It still would have mattered to win your league. That's all going away in two years. You know, it sucks. College football is regular season. used to matter more than and still does for the next two years, more than any other regular season. It doesn't matter in the NBA.

Doesn't matter as much in baseball. Football a little bit, but not a ton, right? The Buccaneers went on the road. We've seen the Giants go on the road. College football's regular season matters until it doesn't in two years. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Simply incredible last night. And the Mets had their entrance song, you know, to Edwin Diaz. But it was supposedly done live, but not really. Was that really, Ryan, have we done any sort of investment? because it felt like that was, it's not lip-sinking. What do you call it when you fake play a trumpet live in a stadium? Like an air trumpet? It was, it was, I felt like an air trumpet.

Felt like an air trumpet. Still, Edwin Diaz coming in was awesome. I don't think it's, I don't know, I don't think, it's not the greatest entry, right? Not the greatest entry into it. Enter Sandman is the greatest entry because you had Mario and Rivera and it's an awesome like bullpen entry song. Did, did Wild Thing? Ricky Wild Thing Bonn playing Wild Thing, was that the first of the walkout, you know, closer songs?

Is that what spawned all of this? The Hells Bells in San Diego and the Welcome to the Jungle with Air Gagne in L.A.? Is that what spawned it? I think there's no doubt, right? It didn't happen before, what was that, 1990? 1989 was Major League. Yeah, Major League was, give him the heater, Ricky. Give them the heater.

Still, they become traditions. Guys have their own sort of traditions, which leads us to our best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. All right, the teams, the leagues, they change,

and the rivalries have to evolve. But in college football, which kicks off week one tonight on Fox, Penn State and Purdue on Fox Sports 1, Central Michigan, taking on Oklahoma State. The traditions continue. So here's what I got. I got my 10 best traditions in college football. You ready?

Let's go. Number 10. USC, when the quarterback leads and other schools do it as well, but part of it with USC is they get the sword from the Trojan guy, right, Tommy Trojan, and then they lead the band in the fight song after the big win, right? That's, that's right. You climb up to the top of the ladder and then you're the conductor of the band. When USC does it, we'll give credit to USC for it. I know, just because the fight song over and over again can't take it. USC having their quarterback, lead them with the sword in hand. That's number 10. Number nine. Sooner,

Sooner, schooner. Sooner, schooner, right? Because it's a tie to actual history and it kind of annoyingly comes out in the field when they score points on your team and normally they beat my team, not last year. Sooner Schooner at number nine. Number eight.

Florida before the fourth quarter, they play, I won't back down. A little Tom Petty. Everybody gets the phone on the light on their phone going. That's number eight. Number seven. Wisconsin jump around before the fourth quarter. I thought Fox did a great job of covering that.

I mean, the whole Wisconsin thing with the student section is pretty amazing. We'll give jump around that ranking. Number six. This is only because Jason Stewart likes it. Texas A&M, Kyle Field, unbelievable environment. Remarkable place to watch a game. He loves the when they score, we score, right? You score on the field and you kiss your date.

I know the entire SEC, you take a date to the game. That's why the guys get dressed up with a tie and the women get dressed up. Aggies have been doing this before they join the SEC. You score, we score. Number five. Enter Sandman Entrance for Virginia Tech. It's for Lane Stadium, especially when they were Thursday night, Big East. Oh, that's big time.

Number four. Spear in the ground at Florida State. The Seminole comes out, lice a spear, sticks the spear. It'd be, it's on! That's top five in anybody's list. Number three. Running down the Howard's Rock at Clemson. They bring a rock from Death Valley, California because it's Death Valley Clemson.

You touch the rock and then you run down. That's number two. Number two. Well, I mean, I think personally this one could be number one, but Michigan, they touch the sign when they run out, right? but Ohio State dotting the eye, dotting the eye at Ohio is number two. Number one. Played like a champion today. Like, I know Notre Dame hasn't won a championship since 1988,

but you think of all the sign to drink like a champion today, right? Touch the sign. Touch down Jesus. Run out there. Play like a champion today. Touch it before you go out there and play, represent Notre Dame with the golden helmets, golden domes. That's your number one tradition college football.

All right. I actually like Purdue to beat Peuge. State tonight. And I like Oklahoma State to win and to cover. So it should be a great night. Plus, you have more U.S. Open. You got Mets Dodgers, which is an afternoon game today. We're here.

We've made it. You've made it. I know it's Labor Day weekend is a day away. So you're not, this is the last day of the summer meteorological schedule, whatever, but you've made it to fall. You've made it to where sports actually matter. I know, yeah, by the way, Russell Wilson made it out of Seattle and got his new contract.

I still think they're the third or fourth best team in that division anyway. You know, I'm going to take, I think Herbie and Mahomes got that division on lock. That's my personal preference. So a reminder, check out, I'm dropping a brand new all ball. You're going to love this one. Okay, the CEO of High Times joining me talking about his basketball career. I'm Doug Gottlie. Thanks for listening.

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