The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Inside the Parker - Padre Props; Callaway Misconduct Ban; Ozuna Injury Gut Punch -- Jay Crawford on Lindor NY Struggles
Episode Date: May 27, 2021This week on Inside the (Rob) Parker, Rob gives the Padres props for sitting atop the NL West heading into Memorial Day weekend, discusses former Angels pitching coach Mickey Callaway's ban for sexual... misconduct, and the Marcell Ozuna finger injury gut-punch to the Braves. Also, Betting on the Bases, Pocket Protector Stat of the Week, Diamond Dust. Guest: WKYC Cleveland Sports Anchor and former ESPN Host Jay Crawford discusses the Indians battling for the AL Central lead, and why Cleveland dodged a bullet by letting Francisco Lindor walk.Click here to subscribe and download all of the latest Inside the Parker podcasts and follow Rob on Twitter!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Number one.
Don't look now, but Memorial Day is just around the corner.
Yes.
And the San Diego Padres are alive and well.
Hello.
Is this on?
Going into Wednesday's action, the Padres were nine and one in their last 10 games.
They're the first team to get 30 wins on the season.
in Major League Baseball.
And yes, they have a slim lead over the Los Angeles Dodgers who are on fire.
That's because the Padres are still on fire.
They haven't even had their best player in Fernando Tatis Jr.
All season long, but since he came back from injury,
his first four games back, he was 11 for 14 with four home runs and 12 RBI.
I mean, this guy is tremendous.
The Padres aren't going anywhere.
This is going to be an amazing NL West race.
I picked the Padres, and so far, I'm feeling good about it.
Number two.
Angels Pitching Coach Mickey Callaway is now former Angels pitching coach Mickey Calloway.
On Wednesday, he was placed on the ineligible list through the end of the 2020.
22 baseball season following Major League Baseball's investigation into his alleged sexual misconduct,
details of which were originally written by the athletic and the angels followed up the statement
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It's a sad story, but this is where we are.
Details of the misconduct include five women, all of whom worked in sports,
media spoke to the athletic under the condition of confidentiality and they accused Callaway
of inappropriate behavior that included sending shirtless pictures, requesting nude pictures,
and things of that nature.
The behavior spanned five years and his employment with three organizations, including
a stint with the Cleveland Indians as a pitching coach and the New York Medians.
as the manager.
He can request to be reinstated,
but we'll have to be after the 2022 season.
Number three.
Bad news for the Atlanta Braves.
Outfielder Marcel OZuna will be out at least six weeks
with fractured fingers.
And yes, he fractured his middle and ring fingers Tuesday night.
Ozuna, 30 years old, injured himself while he.
He was sliding in the third base in the game against the Boston Red Sox.
The Braves were hoping that they weren't fractured and were only dealing with dislocation.
But it was not to be the case.
Further tests revealed that indeed he had broken his fingers.
Ozuna was hitting 213 with a 645 OPS when he went down.
This is a big blow to the team.
He's a big bat for that organization.
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One of my favorite people, Jay Crawford.
We worked together at the Four Letter Network for many years,
had a lot of fun on television.
He's currently an anchor at WKYC,
the NBC station in Cleveland, Ohio.
And I don't think anybody's a bigger baseball fan
than me than Jay
other than myself.
But Jay, welcome to Inside the Parker, my man.
Rob, great to talk to you.
I love the name of the show, by the way.
That's awesome.
Thank you, buddy.
You know I love baseball.
I know you do too.
Let's catch me up on the Cleveland Indians.
We know they're going to have a name change next year.
But can Cleveland win the Central Division?
And Jay, you know the White Sox are a really good team,
but Cleveland's only a game and a half behind
the White Sox going into Wednesday.
Yeah, I'm really surprised that the Indians are that close in the Central.
I still don't think they can win the Central.
I just think that Chicago has too much firepower.
And, you know, the longer we go into this season, the left, it seems like it's smoking mirrors.
But, you know, there's six games over 500 with a lineup that on opening day, you had just had to
wonder where in the world are their runs going to come from?
But, you know, they've been getting it done.
It seems like most of their runs come on the home run.
Their pitching has been phenomenal, and their bullpen has been absolutely lights out.
So I think that's the formula.
I just don't see them being able to stay with the White Sox for 162 games, though.
Jay, Francisco Lindor was a fan favorite in Cleveland.
He winds up being traded to the Mets, signs a mega over $300 million deal.
deal with the Metropolitan's.
But he's struggling.
I mean, let's just call it what it is.
He's struggled so far in the National League and with the Mets.
Did the tribe dodge a bullet by not signing Lindor?
They absolutely dodged a bullet.
And I'm not just being prisoner of the moment looking at his batting average,
which is still below his weight.
There's no way in my mind that a player
can live up to a contract that big.
If you look historically at the players that have had those deals
and the number of players that have taken their respective teams to the World Series
and won the World Series,
there are a lot more guys that have earned those kind of deal that haven't won,
put it that way.
And, you know, it's the pressure of the New York media and the New York fans,
band base. I just
don't see how he ever
lives up to that deal.
And if
Cleveland had signed him to that same
contract, they would have
been the Detroit Tigers of the last
six years, really,
since the Meggie deal.
You just, a team
in a small market can't afford
to pay one player,
25% of its payroll.
He makes more
almost than the Cleveland Indians and
entire team.
So, you know, I think they dodged a huge bullet.
I do think that these numbers for Frankie are just absurdly bad.
He's not that bad of a player.
But he, you know, we're getting to the point in the season where you really, really have to
start wondering what's going on with this guy.
I do think he'll pick it up, but he's never going to live up to those dollars.
Our guest is former ESPN anchor Jay Crawford, joining us here on Inside the Parker.
Let Jay tell me you're a former pitcher.
Tristan McKinsey has some great stuff.
He had 10 strikeouts in his Major League debut,
but he was sent down this past week.
He has a live arm, but he's walked.
But he walks people.
He's wild.
He was leading the league in walks when he was sent down.
Help me with this, Jay.
Can you teach control, or is that something that a pitcher has to figure out for himself?
Yeah, you can teach a pitcher control.
and a pitcher can certainly improve on his control.
You know, it's weird.
He was only down for one day because Zach, Lezac's injury led to Tristan being called back up to the big club.
I don't think he's ready to pitch yet in the major leagues.
You definitely hit it right on the head with the live arm.
You know, he's just freakishly thin.
He definitely hasn't grown into his man body yet.
he's a kid.
And basically, to get to your question, I think all you have to do is look at the career
of Randy Johnson as to whether or not a pitcher can learn to throw strikes, you know,
can improve on that.
There was a time early in Randy's career where he was averaging many walks per nine
as he was strikeouts per nine.
I know that's hard to believe.
But he had a year early on where he was averaging eight walks per nine.
and if you look at the trajectory of his career,
it didn't take him long to figure out that you've got to put the ball over the plate
if you want to have any kind of success.
And once he threw strikes and wasn't all over the place,
his walks per nine came down.
I think they were under three per nine for the last decade plus of his career.
he may have had a couple of seasons where he was below two walks per nine.
And there were many that thought that was never going to be possible for him.
And they thought, you know, the only thing standing between this guy and the Hall of Fame is his inability to throw strikes.
But he figured it out, and Tristan will figure it out too.
He's figured it out in stretches.
And just as quickly as he gets it, it goes.
And that's the sign of a young pitcher who's trying to learn how to be a pitcher.
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But he's going to learn to pitch.
It's going to take him two or three years.
The tribe's going to be very patient with him.
And when he does figure it out, you can put his name in this, you know, long list of guys
that Cleveland has drafted and developed.
and turned into a potential
Cy Young winner.
And, you know, their history with that over the last decade is unbelievable.
You know, starting really with Corey Klooper and, you know,
they had Bauer and they had, you know, now last year they had Beaver.
And this year it's Aaron Savali who pitched a gem last night.
And I think Tristan McKenzie's going to very much fall in line with those guys
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Jay, tell me about the bullpen, which is one of the strong parts of this team as we're
talking pitching.
Who has the best arm out there?
I like Karen Jack.
I like him a lot.
You know, he had a rough outing a couple of nights ago.
up to that point he had been close to perfect.
Their whole bullpen really has lived on the edge of perfection all season long,
and that's exactly why they're 26 and 20.
Tito is doing now what he did in 2016.
If you remember in 2016, he was turning everything into a six-inning game
because he would turn it over to the bullpen for the seventh, eighth, and ninth,
and, you know, he was using Brian Shaw a lot,
and he just had the luxury of having a couple of great back-end relievers,
and he's doing the same thing this year.
Claude is a guy who almost lives in triple digits.
You know, when he doesn't throw a ball 100 miles an hour, to me it's a surprise.
I wish he used his slider a little bit more.
I think he relies too heavily on the fastball and team.
have kind of figured that out, and they're sitting on it.
Look, even if it's 1001, these guys are pro-hitters,
they're going to square that up.
But so far, Shaw has been, seems like he's reincarnated himself.
He's added a few things.
And Karen Chek has just been absolutely amazing.
And as I mentioned, Clos-Day, I think they've got, you know,
one of the best bullpens in the game, and that's why they're where they are.
It really is.
one last thing for our guest jay crawford on the tribe in cleveland and jose ramirez we already know he's a stud at the plate
and jay you touched on it briefly but is there enough in this lineup to really be able to compete over the
long course of the season or do they need to add a bat at some point to shore up the lineup
Yes, yes, and yes.
Friend Mareez heard himself a couple of nights ago.
He was providing some nice protection for Jose Ramirez,
who has just been, you know,
probably one of the best bargain deals that the Indians have had in the last 10 years
just in terms of team-friendly contracts.
Those are the kind of deals that a small market club like Cleveland
have to have more of.
They can't, you know, they're never going to be a team that pays one player $30 million.
I just think that's bad economics anyhow for any team, but particularly for a small market team.
But the question, Rob, is where the heck this big bat is going to come from?
They do have some help down in the minor leagues that I imagine after June 1st.
They can call up Bradley perhaps.
They've got two guys in the minor league that I just can't seem to figure out.
Bradley Zimmer, who a couple of years ago looked like he was on pace to have a terrific career as a five-tool guy.
Injuries have really slowed him, and he didn't even make the big league roster this year.
And you're talking about a team that was challenged when it comes to outfielders.
And then Oscar Mercado, who two seasons ago, was, I think, runner-up the rookie of the year.
He had a phenomenal season, and it came from out of nowhere, really.
and then he really gripped last year,
and he struggled so mightily in spring training.
He didn't make the team.
So these are guys, if they ever figure out what their problems are,
could definitely help tribe offense.
But they're going to have to probably look to trade somebody,
maybe a young pitcher or something,
because if they are going to try to compete,
and the longer you get into the season,
and they're still within striking distance to the White Sox,
you really have to think about doing that,
because, Rob, as you look at the American League,
I don't know that there's going to be a wild card that's not an American League East team.
Right.
When you look at what's going on there with the race now getting red hot,
the Yankees have turned it around, and the Red Sox are playing lights out,
I don't know that there's going to be a wild card that doesn't come from the ALE.
So if they get into August and they're within a couple of games of the White Sox,
they may need to pull the trigger on a move because,
it might be one of those years where if you don't win the division, you're not making it.
I think you're right.
I think the AL East is top heavy big time, no doubt about it.
His name is Jay Crawford.
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It's time for the Pocket Protector Central.
The analytic numbers you need to know.
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Anthony Masterson is his name.
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What do you got for me, Anthony?
In this day and age of a no-no every other day, it seems,
pitchers are getting a lot of love lately.
Pitch arsenals are getting nastier,
and certain pitches can take your breath away.
Now, think of the famous pitches of hurlers pass
and how you remember them all.
Nolan Ryan's fastball,
Randy Johnson slider, Roger Clemens, split.
How great were those pitches at keeping runs off the board?
Well, nowadays, we can track that with pitch-run values.
With win-probability graphs, every moment in a game affects each team's odds of winning, even by thousands of a point.
If a pitcher consistently gets outs with one pitch, you can add up all those decimals and get an idea of the true value of some of baseball's best pitches.
It's golf rules, so if the lower number, the better.
Look at the base numbers of Trevor Bowers' four-seem fastball this year and see that the league is hitting 107 against the pitch.
That's great, of course.
The run value of that pitch is minus 17, far and away, the most productive pitch this season in terms of volume as well as success.
And in that top five as well, U. Darvish's slider, no surprise.
But the only pitcher with two different pitches in terms of run values in the top 10 of the league,
that would be the Giants, Kevin Gosman, whose four-seamer at minus 12 and Splitter at minus 9,
both rank as two of the top offerings in the league, helping his Renaissance by the Bay this season.
season. Nastiness can now be quantified.
That ball is. It was a big week in the big leagues.
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The Blue Jays in Tampa Bay Rays both entered the season as Dark Horse picks to compete
with the Yankees in the AL East. After this past weekend's four games, swears.
Weep, J.R., is it foul or fair to say that Toronto is the pretender and Tampa Bay is the
real contender for this division?
That's fair.
It's a fair ball.
Since a 1-0 lost to the Yankees on May 12th, the race had won 11 games in a row before losing
a 2-1 nail-biter to the Royals on Wednesday night, and they handily just swept the Blue Jays
out of the Pretenders'
playoff race,
winning four from a team
that was feeling real good about themselves
in their young power
led by Vlad Guerrero Jr.
And Marcus Simeon,
just 50 games into the season,
they were thinking they had a shot
in the rough and tough ALE's division.
I think the race left no doubt
as to who the contender is
and who the pretender is.
Every year they seem to compete
with a bunch of retreads
and young promising kids, solid pitching, solid defense,
and Randy and Rosarina is heating up again
after the league started figuring him out
following that historic playoff run and World Series.
So they also have a...
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A win is a win.
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tend to star in the mix now due to the race which makes them even more frightening i tell you one thing
the race proved that slow and steady wins the race the tampa raise organization proves that a mixture
of analytics and natural baseball wherewithal is the best combination for success they're more than
contenders their prime candidates to get back to the world series because when you come out of a talent-laden
dog fight like the AL East at the top of the heat, then you're built for any challenge in the game.
Take out the papers in the trash.
It's time for Trash Talk Twitter.
Your chance to trash anyone or anything in Major League Baseball.
This week's trash is coming from at P-TEC 77 and this is what he tweeted me.
I'm trashing all the players who watched the first pitch down the pipe.
and just watch it and don't swing.
I don't care about taking pitches.
See it and smoke it.
If you want your tweet to be on Inside the Parker next week,
hit me up on my Twitter at Rob Parker FS1.
Now it's time for some diamond dust with Wish TV's Phil Sanchez.
Out of here.
He played baseball in college.
Now here is MLB knowledge.
A big shout out to the umpire Joe West, the man known as Cowboy Joe, breaking an 80-year-old record when he umpired his 5,000, 3, and 76th game.
The record became official in the fifth inning of a recent Cardinals White Sox game.
West began his major league career in umpiring at the age of 23, and over the years has been no stranger to controversy, but 45 years of umpiring games.
Pretty big deal. During his career, West has umpired in three All-Star games and six World Series.
He's been on the field for many of baseball's greatest moments over the years, including Willie McCovey's 500th home run and Nolan Ryan's fifth no hitter.
As for how much longer Wes plans to umpire, he says he'll evaluate at the end of the season, but added that he feels pretty good after recent knee surgery.
When asked about his long career, West said, quote, I know what Lou Gehrick said about being the last.
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Because when we disconnect from this
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Here's why MLB is better than the NFL or NBA.
And it isn't even close.
All right, here's the 125th reason
why Major League Baseball is better
than the NBA and the NFL.
Every ballpark has something cool and unique about it.
It's not like cookie cutters
and it's all the same.
Let's go to Lone Depot Park,
the Marlins Bar Park down in Miami.
Guess what they have at the ballpark?
A bobblehead museum!
It is unbelievable all the barbellheads that are on display.
If you're a bobblehead lover,
are you kidding me?
How in the world could you not want to go to the ballpark?
But also, check out the museum, check what they have.
That is a cool thing.
And that's the other thing about baseball.
You don't have to sit in your seat for the entire three hours and never move and you got to stay there.
You can walk around, get some air at the ballpark, and check out the cool stuff around the ballpark,
including in Miami where they have a bobblehead museum.
In the words of New York TV legend, the late Bill Jorgensen,
thanking you for your time this time until next time.
Rob Parker, out.
He can't get it.
This could be an inside of Parker.
See you next week.
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Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,
not quite.
Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.
Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman
help make you funnier.
This week, my guest,
SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel
help an a cappella band
with their between songs banter.
Where does your group perform?
We do some retirement homes.
Those people are starving for banter.
Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends
on the I-heartedly.
Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.
It's the enhanced games.
Some call it grotesque.
Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app.
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey, what's good, y'all?
You're listening to Learn the Hardway
with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games.
This space is about black men's experiences,
having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere,
but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing.
How many men carry a suit or armor?
It signals to the world that you not to be played with.
And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to,
Listen to learn the hard way on the AHA radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
A win is a win.
A win is a win.
I don't care what I'm saying.
Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.
You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.
Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrating.
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