The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jalen Ramsey Doubles Down, the NBA GOAT Discussion and Browns QB Controversy

Episode Date: August 16, 2018

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb discusses Jacksonville Jaguars CB Jalen Ramsey's recent comments, the Michael Jordan-LeBron James debate, the Cleveland Browns QB controversy, and the NFL preseason. Guests include Eric Mangini, Bruce Feldman, and Eric Dickerson. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jalen Ramsey just supplied us with an unbelievable amount of sports radio and sports television fodder, didn't he? He, like, did our jobs for us. Listen, don't get me wrong, we are all excited about football season because we become a football country and we're mere weeks away from college football kicking off and then a couple weeks further away from the NFL kicking off.

One of the issues that sometimes you run into during college football season, during the NFL season is sometimes Wednesday, you don't have the games to talk about and there's not anything else to talk about. And in the off season, you're just hoping. hoping. Like this is just years of research.

Tons of stuff. Thank you very much, Jalen Ramsey. He had an interview with GQ. Apparently got very comfy and started doing what we wish guys would do. Jalen Ramsey said what he thinks. Huh. Shocker there. Here's the cold, honest truth.

Jalen Ramsey saying that, he thinks Ben Rothesberger is decent at best, or he thinks that Jimmy Garoppolo is all schemes. I guess I could say he's good. That's how dudes talk. That's the real language of sports. It's not about, you know, his throwing motion, his arm angles, you know, his reading his progressions.

That's how analysts talk. And that's how we want sports to be analyzed on TV and maybe analyzed. in a boardroom for a team as to whether or not you're going to take a guy or not take a guy. But in the real world of football, this is the way that dudes talk. Like in basketball, it's really simple. Guy steps on the court. Shooter!

No left hand. Can't shoot. And the problem is that, and we've talked about this with yesterday, with Aaron Rogers saying a couple days ago, his wide receiver, young wide receiver's effort in one drill or a series of drills was piss poor. The rest of the world is so not used to this actual discussion, right? It's like when you walk into a bunch of mechanics sitting around drinking beers on a Friday at 515, and you're like, wow, I cannot believe how they sound. Like, yeah, but that's because you're not a mechanic.

That's how they sound, dude. This is how truckers sound when they're sitting around in the truck stop. This is how football players defensive backs sound when they're talking. about quarterbacks. Joe Flacco sucks. Matt Ryan's overrated. Andrew Luck, who by the way, statistically, pass a rating 137.5 against Jalen Ramsey. I don't really think he's all that good. You don't have to think of it. The stats would tell you the opposite. But again, that's not even the point. The point is, at least in the first part, is that Jailer Ramsey is talking like dudes actually talk in locker rooms. And if you don't like it, that's okay.

Because the other part is guys argue in locker rooms about that's how our sports shows are built. We'll get to what Darrell Mori said about LeBron James, but that's the jumping off point for every argument in every barbershop or even in locker rooms. And I'm still a Jordan guy. I'm a LeBron guy. Some people are still in the league are still Kobe guys. They really are. Stats be damned. They think what they think.

no convincing them of it. And Jaylor Ramsey's point is like, look, I've stared down the barrel of the gun of some of these dudes, and this is what I think. I don't think he did anything wrong. Matter of fact, I think he did everything right for the brand that he's trying to build. Make no mistake about it. This is position dependent, but at this position, there have been guys before him, like Richard Sherman, who have built on one, their ability to not just talk it, but obviously walk it as well, but then capitalizing it out from behind the face mask. I don't know how many of you, even sports fans,

knew what Jalen Ramsey looks like. He doesn't have Richard Sherman's hair. The Jaguars have been the laughing stock of the NFL for years. Since Mark Brunel's faded off into the sunset, they have been a team that has continually shot themselves in the foot with draft picks that have gone wrong with quarterbacks that weren't good enough. And now after just one year of being good, one year, suddenly they're the talk of the NFL. Why? Because Jalen Ramsey is super, super talented. And here's the crazy part about it.

The guy in the opposite side, A.J. Bouet, who you couldn't pick out of a lineup if there was like one other dude in the lineup. Like AJ Bouye actually has a better sounding name like AJ Bouye. Like that's just a great sounding. He was created to be something cool and something hip and something worth discussing. A.J. Booie is like Casey Hayward, Patrick Peterson. These are the best cornerbacks in the business and Jaylon Ramsey is among them. But once you talk it after walking it, suddenly now you kind of elevate yourself to a different sort of brand.

We saw it with Dion Sanders. He's capitalized on it time and again from the bling he wore when he was in college, when he was prime time. Look, Dion Sanders was also great. He's inarguably the best cover corner in the history of the National Football League. That's not for me.

That's from guys that play the sport. But he also is among the world's greatest talkers. And even through all the mess of off-the-field stuff and things that have gone on than his life that are just playing bizarre, Dionne Sanders is still a major figure on TV. Why? Because the image and brand that he created by saying things that he thought

and getting his message out there before the days of social media. We see this in entertainment, right? There was Cher, there was Madonna, and there's Lady Gaga, right? It's like the same plan. Pink even. Like, pink can sing.

Lady Gaga is an amazing musician, but, you know, not everybody can be Aretha Franklin who passed away today at the age of 76, where you just have the goods, you have the voice, you don't need all the dancers, you don't need the huge show. The, who am I thinking of, the British singer, um, who, Adele, right? Not everybody can be Adele, where, like, if you go into an Adele show, my wife and daughters is going to Adele show, where it's just Adele and a microphone and a stool. and a glass of water.

Like, not everybody can do that. Not everybody has those type of goods. And, oh, yeah, by the way, as incredibly well-respected as Adele is, like, I don't know how long that lasts as a stadium show in comparison to Madonna, to Lady Gaga, who somehow dramatically jumped off the roof of the Super Bowl and then still survived. Some bad CGII, huh? TBT. Yes.

So the point is that Jalen Ramsey's just created himself a brand. he's achieved greatness in now the sudden America knows who he is. Sure. He's got a walk it like he talks it. And Richard Sherman did. And Richard Sherman benefited to the point where he's got other TV commercials. It's getting out from behind the mask, getting out from behind the shield. It's an incredibly difficult thing to do.

But it's been done before. It's been done in this very same fashion from this very same position. Now, is he right with all of them? I don't know. I mean, how does he really know? How does he really, really know about some of these rookie quarterbacks that he saw once on TV? Josh Allen. Didn't have glowing, didn't have glowing, right?

He sucks. Like, all right, you saw Josh Allen in college, Wyoming, and you were quoted twice saying he played against Iowa State. It was actually against Iowa. But I believe it was on the Big Ten Network. Thank you very much for watching one of the Fox family of networks. when you watch that game. So sometimes he's talking out of his rectum, but that's what dudes do,

and I am not bothered by it. This is so much better than the coach speak or the quarterback speak and the idea that you have respect and admiration for every opponent. No, you don't. Oftentimes, you can't, man, dude, I can't wait until we play this dudes.

Why? Because everybody's going to get their stats. I can't wait until I play this guy because he's going to throw a lollipop, and I'm going to pick it off. Also, who listens to those interviews? I just tone out when they start talking about stuff like that. Correct.

I've interviewed a million athletes. And as soon as they start giving me a very black and white answer, I'm like, you're wasting my time, man. Yes, yes. Like, there's, you know, and I don't know if we do it here, but one of the other places that I've, one of the other places that I've worked, you know, you send out your show notes at the end of the show. And like, man, we got Derek Jeter on, right?

like Derek Jeter, unbelievable. Or now you get like Alex Rodriguez on. Like those are going to say anything. Anything. Anything. Because their brand is their name, their performances. They just, I'm not going to say anything because it doesn't fit my brand. Cornerbacks are different.

Wide receivers are different. They can talk it. They can, whether back it up or they get burned, it doesn't even matter. It does work. If you're good enough, it does work. Nobody's talking about Casey Hayward, who's just as talented, just as elite, a guy who you're not going to throw to his side of the football field for the Chargers. Or Patrick Peterson, who's been to seven Pro Bowls three-time All-Pro. And is, by the way, a really interesting dude.

But I haven't heard his thoughts on Russell Wilson, Jared Gough, or even his own quarterbacks. and oh yeah by the way I do love that that he didn't call out Blake Bortals but he didn't actually throw loving gushing support he do what he got to do which

I do take for exactly as it's written as it reads as not exactly glowing praise and tells you everything you need to know. You do what he got to do well put well put so do I think people react to it negatively

in the locker? I'm like, no. I don't know. I think he could have a target on his back this season. If I was more than the guys that he trashed, I'd be like, I got your number now. Sure. Throw to him. That's what he wants. What, do you think they weren't? Like the idea, this is the

this is the team, the guy guaranteeing a victory. What, you don't think, you think any athlete ever thought he he walked into an NFL game or an NBA game, not thinking they're going to win a game? Of course they do. Of course they do. Does he have a target his back? He's not a rook. he's really, really good. He's really, really good. Now, again, yes, our guy's going to laugh at him if he gets burned?

If he gets, sure. They can talk trash to him if that's one of the quarterbacks that he says isn't very good. Matt Ryan doesn't, he thinks he's overrated? Sure. But there is the chance that everybody knows he's really good. You throw it in his direction. He's going to take it to the house and there'll be that confirmation of everything he's said. All right, along with Rachel Bonnetta.

I'm Doug Gottlie. I'm coming next. Darrell Morey says it's not even close. LeBron James is the greatest ever. Why Stat Guy continues to be Stat Guy. Next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin.

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He was a Whistler. And I only know it's not because I'm stalking him. Beautiful place. He tweeted out that it was beautiful yesterday. I was at the beach because I had the cowherd schedule without speak for yourself yesterday. I'm like, man, this is great. This is living. And he's like, yeah, I'm up in Whistler.

I'm at the beach of my little guy. Anyway, so Cowherd up in Whistler. He'll be back start of next week. The other voice you're hearing is that of the lovely and talented Rachel Bonnet. We'll get to her with the news in a second. Speaking of news, Darry kind of made some news yesterday. He was on the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio,

and he had this to say on why he believes LeBron James is the best basketball player ever. You just look at his ability to, you know, generate wins and championship probability over time and basically break that down. And obviously, you don't have to, you don't need all the numbers you can watch as well and see that. But if you basically isolate that and also look at

the career he's had, you know, frankly, I think at this point it's become a bit of a big margin, actually, where he's come out ahead. I know that's a little controversial. Yeah, no, listen, he's very matter of fact in the way in which he says, LeBron James is the greatest ever by a sizable margin. The problem with that is it takes away from the idea that the sport hasn't completely changed. Stad guy in baseball might work long term, right? Even though they changed the height of the mound, of course, there was a time to which there was the color barrier in baseball. But stats, you can translate because generally the rules, even though the strike zone has changed and evolved, the distance of the fences, the equipment, it's still

with bats, it's still a baseball. I do think they fly more. But that's one of the things the steroid era destroyed, which was the historical basis of baseball, because there's this massive spike in the minute. It's like, you do do do, spike. And then all of a sudden, back down and now back on kind of similar trends from years past. basketball is different. It's a completely different sport than it was five years ago, 10 years ago. I pointed this out earlier in the week. But one of the things that people miss on in discussing why Daryl Morey was able to win that trade

with the Oklahoma City Thunder and Land James Hardin was because the thunder would not part with Serge Abaka. And in hindsight, that seems to be the dumbest decision. in the history of the sport, right? Serge Abaka or James Harden, it ain't even close. Kendrick Perkins, were they acquired, or James Hardin, it ain't even close. Forget about the luxury tax. The point was, at that point in time, in order to win an NBA championship, you had to beat the Lakers.

And the Lakers had Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. And Pau Gassal and Andrew Bynum would never play at the end of an NBA finals or NBA conference finals game at all for the Rockets or for the Warriors. You couldn't have them on the court. the way the sport has played now. You want to know how much the sport has changed? Here you go.

Charles Barclay had a team in 92-93. In 92-93, playing for Paul Westfall that led the league in scoring and that also had the best record in the West. They won 62 games. Right? Scored 113 points a game. For the season, they shot 1,095 threes. 1,095 threes.

Last year's Houston Rockets, right? Last year's Houston Rockets finished with the best record in the NBA. They also, by the way, won 65 games. They were the number two scoring team in the league. They averaged 112.4, slightly below that of Phoenix Suns. They shot 3,473s, more than three times as many threes. The sport has completely. changed. And so while he's saying like, look, I'm a stat guy, I'm dealing with win probability.

First of all, LeBron has been in the Eastern Conference. And we could go through it time and again, but it's basically a JV conference during the eight years. And he played on a super team when he was in Miami. It wasn't just that the conference was down. It was that he took Chris Bosch from Toronto, a playoff team, and added him to Dwayne Wade's franchise that had won an NBA finals, and then also destroyed Cleveland, who was a 60-win team, right? They destroyed Cleveland, destroyed Toronto, and built up a super team in Miami as Boston was aging, and then eventually added Ray Allen as well. So you play with a stacked deck against a bunch of minnows where the sharks are in the West. Look, for me, it's not that I'm not mobile off of the Jordan.

is the greatest ever point. Jordan is the best player. But there's all kinds of different parts of the stats to which they skew to help LeBron. He didn't go to college. So he had three years on Jordan that Jordan could never get back. Jordan retired after winning a championship. So you had a season in his prime and really a season and a half. And no, he didn't win a championship when he came back from playing baseball. And he looked like a guy who had been playing baseball when they lost to the Miami Heat. But the idea that it's that's the same stance that people take when they go well Jordan six finals wins no losses six finals MVP has to be the goat well basketball has never been about purely about the stats because and this is where basketball and football are more like than basketball and

baseball are stats have changed completely changed over the last 10 years a great season for an NFL quarterback used to be 3,000 yards right Now it's 4,000 yards. And even, I think three years ago, we had, what, 14 quarterbacks that threw for 4,000 yards? You can go win probability. That's great. But similar to the Patriots, if you're playing against a division in which you're almost guaranteed to have, I don't know, five wins a year, that propels you closer to that double-digit win total. Look, you can tell me that LeBron is the greatest ever because he's gotten to all these consecutive five.

finals and you look at how he carried a team that wasn't a top seat here the past couple years to the NBA finals and they came back from three games to one down to the Warriors. That's fine. You can say that. But if you want to say what's like win probability, look, the difference between LeBron and Jordan and maybe even Bird or Magic to actual basketball people is the simple concept of you give a guy the ball, you give the best player at the end of a game, wants the ball, has the ball and is willing to take and make the big shot.

And there are times in LeBron's career to which he would prefer to facilitate than to get it done himself. Some of that did change this year out of necessity, out of necessity. And that's why you can come off of that Jordan point if you want. Let's see what he does in the West. Granted, he's not in his prime anymore. Let's see what the win probability here, what the win total is here. Because if you do take wins, you also have to take losses.

he did lose in all those finals. And he wasn't always the number one seed in the regular season. That did happen. He is responsible for the losses if you give him responsibility for the wins. I would still list Jordan. He can go with LeBron. I don't think it's a big gap because he's using his stats to back it up. Because if he used stats to back it up, shouldn't have his stats,

the rockets were right to shoot and miss 27 consecutive three. point shots. Those same stats that tell you at the end of the day we will win playing this style haven't proven to be true. You still do need mid-range jump shots. You still do need post-ups. That still is the way to win at times in the NBA. Stats be damned. It's not the end-all, be-all, in basketball, in football, as opposed to how it might be in baseball. Let's get to Richard Beneta with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Doug, I think I already know the answer to this, but are you watching Hard Knocks?

Absolutely. I am obsessed. I love the fact that we can hear about all these headlines happening during the week, and we know that it's going to be in the episode next Tuesday. This is the headline today. Brown's head coach, Hugh Jackson, has indicated that Drew Stanton could be backup over Baker Mayfield. Listen to this. I've said from the beginning, you know, again, I think experience is important.

So right now, Drew still has that experience, and we'll see how. that all unfolds as we go. I know what you're asking. I haven't made that choice just yet. But I think his veteran presence says a lot. You know, he's playing a lot of games against a lot of teams. We're going to start off against and play against. So I think that's important to definitely consider.

Experience is important. We saw like episode one they had to like earn their stripes on their helmet, right? No, I think it's dumb just because the helmets look a lot better with the stripes. Okay, but do you think this is the right call, sitting them out, having him learn, earn said Stripes, if you will. I honestly don't think that's what this is about. I don't think it's about how good you are. I think people don't understand. We're going to talk about this with Eric Mangini in a moment. I don't think people understand the job of the backup quarterback. The job of the backup quarterback is not to necessarily be better than every other quarterback. Right. Right. The

job of the backup quarterback is to make the starter better. And you make the starter better with your knowledge of who you're playing and how to play against them. So I think that's a big decision. They clearly don't want to play Baker. They just don't. John Dorsey didn't play Pat Mahomes last year until week 17. I think that's the plan. The only question is because he's the number one overall pick, can you get away with it if the Browns don't play well?

And are you going to carry three quarterbacks? Yeah, and he played great against the Giants, in my opinion, right? In the preseason game? Yeah, I mean, yeah, so to Tyrod. It's Tarad Taylor, by the way. Apparently, we were changing pronunciation. Tarad. Who knew was Tarad Taylor? Like, right? Like, there was a kid

from Gonzaga, Gonzaga. Ryvio, that was Ravio, Ravio. Rajon Rondo's changed the pronunciation of his name several times. Anyway, Tarad Taylor actually played better. Nobody, yeah, he played well. He's Baker Mayfield. He played five years in college football. He should be good week one of the preseason.

So you think he's making the right decision if he does that? It's complicated. We'll discuss. We'll discuss. Moving on. Eagles, Patriots play tonight. Preseason game first time they've met since the Super Bowl. Eagles have gifted the Patriots.

a nice little welcome to their stadium if we can pull up this billboard that's hanging out in Foxborough. So if you notice closely, you can see the score, 41 to 33, and you got Jason Kelsey at the parade in that wild outfit. I think this is just something to laugh at.

If Patriots are driving into their stadium and they see this, I think they just laugh it off. Also, Boston sports fans are so passionate it, who owns that billboard? Who would rent out that space to the Eagles? I think that's the real mystery here. Billboard business is a little bit harder than it used to be.

I don't know. I've heard billboard business is a little bit harder than it used to be. I mean, like, look, if you're willing to pay for it, you're willing to pay for it. It is a, like, you bought a billboard for the preseason, though. And, oh, yeah, by the way, yes, you won the game. You got a little catching up to do if you want to get to the paths. Like, it's okay. I'm fascinated to see, we talked about this a little.

yesterday. It's going to be different going into everybody's stadium as the defending champions. It's going to be different playing against the first place schedule. These things are different than the Pats have lived and done this for over a decade in a half. Let's see how the Eagles react to

year two, now being the hunted as opposed to the hunter. And then finally, Jeannie Bus Lakers owner was on the Rich Eisen show talking about signing LeBron James. Listen to this. It felt like a familiar feeling. that when we got Shaquille O'Neal as a free agent in 1996,

it kind of felt the same way. The idea that, you know, LeBron chose to come to the Lakers, that he knows what we're building, that he wanted to be a part of what we're doing shows. It validates the work that Magic Johnson and Rob Polinka have done to kind of, you know, turn the tide for the team. Can owners be put in the Hall of Fame? I mean, if you look at Jeannie Bus, she's had,

Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, now LeBron James, all of these crazy guys. It's amazing. Well, you know, obviously her dad, her dad put her in charge at the business side, and then she had to dust off her brother

that was running this thing kind of off the road. So, look, I love... She's steering the ship back. She is steering the ship back. But more importantly, like, look, she empowered Magic. She empowered Rob Polinka.

And as much as magic, as much as Magic gets some credit for the Dodgers thing, it was more the other people that Magic had running the Dodgers that, you know, they, they, they went out and made a huge trade to get Adrian Gonzalez, took on some salary, but also rebuilt their farm system, right? That's kind of the same plan that Rob Polinka has used here with the Lakers, where, yeah, their plan was free up cap space, but they also have all these young players, the Kyle Kuzmas, the

Josh Hart's, the Lanzo Balls, you know, they had the inherited Brandon Ingram of the world. you're building on two different sides of it. So, like, the plan has been executed before in the city of Angels. Dodgers haven't won a World Series but got to game seven last year. So, look, I think that she's along the right path. You still need a little bit of luck now. But she's comparing him to Shaquille O'Neal, who won three championships with the Lakers. Cream also came over when Jack Kent Cook was the owner.

Like, that's part of the Lakers deal is, like, the Lakers allow somebody else to build you up and then take you away. But do you think she's already kind of putting the pressure on LeBron James to – There's already pressure on LeBron James. There's always pressure on LeBron James. Well, just, I mean, yeah, but LeBron comes to the Lakers. There's expectations of winning a championship. Period. Stop, right?

I don't think there's any untold pressure. That's Rachel Bonnetta with the news. That's all I got. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Did Jalen Ramsey cross the line with his quarterback comments? We'll find out from our resident former head coach of the Browns and the Jets.

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He's Eric Mangini. He joins us here in the herd. Jalen Ramsey sat down with a GQ rider, got super comfortable, and just went through quarterbacks and game a line on each. one of them as a as a long-time former coach in this league and a former head coach in this league what's your reaction yeah I was unimpressed by it I don't know why you need to do that I can't imagine that Tom Coughlin was very happy with it or Doug Marone was very happy with it I don't see the value it seemed like one of those things where maybe he started talking the interview and then just

got on some sort of role but I've coached a lot of really good cornerbacks really talented guys and they never felt the need to attack somebody else. They may talk about how good they are, but it was never about there being a GM or talent evaluator and talking about everybody else. No, but this is the talk of the locker room, isn't it though? Like, didn't he give us a glimpse into it? Again, it's not, there's no analytics, there's no true analysis there. It's just first thing you think of.

This does give us a glimpse into how dudes actually talk if they didn't have a filter, doesn't it? Well, I don't know if guys are. sitting around talking like that and talking about the range of players in the league. Maybe they're talking about their Madden ratings and disagreeing with things like that. But it seemed a little bit more malicious than just casual locker room talk about how you feel about one guy or another guy. How do you manage it when it feels like somebody's trying to make themselves into a personality, right? Like, look, Dion Sanders did this.

And obviously he was successful in a football field, but he also used it for his second life afterwards. Dorel Revis has used this. And, you know, he's become, he has ads on TV. Look, he can draw, I mean, I'm not Dorel Revis, sorry. Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman has done this and he's got ads on TV. Like some of this does feel like, hey,

I'm going to make myself into a personality for financial gain outside of the world of football. How do you manage that when you're a coach or your member of front office? Yeah, I get that guys want to improve their brand and the rise of social media and all those things. And I'm fine with that. But there's, I don't know how many advertisers are that excited about someone who feels the need to tear other people down. Dion, to me, was a guy who talked about himself and his ability. And people can relate or admire someone with extreme self-confidence.

That, to me, is a great trait. and it's a great trait for a quarterback. I don't think attacking other people is necessarily that same trait. Sometimes that's a characteristic of insecurity. In terms of managing it, you know what you're getting typically when you draft most guys, and if they have the tendency to do that, you can't be surprised when they do that. Now, I imagine that they'll sit down and talk with them about it and talk about the team's perspective on it and why they don't like it.

it. Now, whether or not that's enough or it happens again, I don't know. I would imagine it will happen again. Let's go to the Cleveland Browns, which, again, another team that's, they won one game the last two years. I do think they have enough talent to be better. In matter of fact, they bring in to Rod Taylor, who helped lead the bills to the playoffs last year. He's their starting quarterback. There's been discussions now all of a sudden from Hugh Jackson about maybe Drew Stanton as the backup quarterback. How much of this comes down to how good? good Baker Mayfield is, or how much of it comes down to what you actually need in a backup quarterback? Well, right now, I wouldn't put any merit into anything in terms of a depth chart.

At this point in preseason, it's more of a rep chart. You're trying to make sure that you get guys enough work in different spots. It'd be unbelievable to me if Baker Mayfield wasn't the number two. And ideally, what you're looking for from your backup quarterback is a guy that can go in and run the same system that the starter run. and not have to change what the other 10 guys are doing. And ideally, it's a guy who is young, who is emerging, who is learning, which, you know, Baker is going to be in there sooner rather than later.

I don't know how long Tyroddle will last there. Yeah. How hard is that to not play a guy who's a number one overall pick? Like John Dorsey can tell us, hey, you know, I didn't play Pat Mahon. We didn't play Pat Mahomes last year in Kansas City. That's the 10th pick. This is the number one pick in the draft. Cleveland's won one game the last two years.

The fans need hope. Like, how hard is it to sit a guy, even if you have all the good intentions at heart and you have a capable starter in Tyrod Taylor as the starter? Well, it's the same situation that they're facing in New York with Sam Darnold. The owner came out and said that this guy is a franchise changing quarterback and you don't need to be a GM or a head coach to recognize great talent. Sam's going to start. He's going to start sooner rather than later.

and it's the same thing with Baker. You took him number one overall. Ownership's going to want to see him play. The city of Cleveland is going to want to see him play. And season tickets are down. The amount of people that go to the games are down. And an exciting young player like that, that gets people back into the stadium.

That's important to the organization. It's important to the owners. Hugh's an interesting guy, right? Guys generally like him. I mean, he's seen as, he thinks him, as a quarterback whisperer because he's the one that got Andy Dalton to be, you know, a higher level than expected quarterback in Cincinnati. But you got two real vivid personalities with Todd Haley and Greg Williams as the coordinators.

And then you have Hugh trying to be player-friendly at the top. What's your thought of the personalities and how it's structured at the top of the Cleveland Brown's coaching staff? I've never been accused of being player-friendly. so that's a little bit less relatable to me. But I do think that the most important thing is that you're true to whatever your personality is. So the most important thing is you get the guys ready to play. They're prepared.

They understand why you're doing the things that you're doing. And however you do it, it's in a sincere way. So if that's Hughes way, I'm all for it. Now, typically with coaches, if he was a player's coach and it doesn't work out, the next guy they're going to go get is going to be a disciplinarian. And when you have a disciplinarian and that doesn't work out, you go and get a players coach. And sometimes those, oftentimes, those labels are misleading.

You just need to be the coach that's sincere and honest and true to himself. We're going to see the Patriots tonight taking on the Philadelphia Eagles rematch sort of of the Super Bowl, even though it's preseason. Last year they didn't have really enough playmakers defensively, and they found a way to make it work and get to a Super Bowl, nearly win a Super Bowl. Offensively this year, not going to have Edelman first four games. They've already cut two wide receivers expected to contribute.

What do you thought on just the talent that the Patriots have in relation to the talent of other teams atop the AFC? Well, they have the most important talent. They have Tom Brady, so that's the starting point. They retain Josh McDaniel. They retain Dante Scarnacki, the offensive line coach. They still have Bill. And there's been a history there of players that become household names when they go to New England or when they get a chance to play in New England.

I remember early on we had David Patton and David Givens and nobody knew who those guys were and they ended up helping us win Super Bowl. So Tom has a way of making those guys into names that we all appreciate and, and, um, you know, and recognize. It's about the scheme. It's about doing the right thing, being in the right place. And if you do, Tom's the most selfless quarterback in the league. He'll get you the ball. If you're not in the right spot, regardless of how much talent you have, we saw that with Chad Johnson. You're not going to get the ball and it's not going to work. Yeah, couldn't line up in the right spot so they couldn't keep him, no matter how talented he was that given time. Last thing, Gronk did an interview. He said never spent a penny of his NFL money. It's all been endorsements.

how much of the gronk meathead thing is an act? I don't think, I think that's a guy who's true to his personality. I think that that gronk is, who gronk is. Now, will it get exaggerated at times? I'm sure it gets somewhat exaggerated. And there's a different way that you can play to your brand or market or be a personality. Granc does it in a way that's not negative, and a lot of people really enjoy it.

and I think he may play it up more than what it truly is. But I do think there's some sincerity into what we see from him. Yeah, I would say the same thing with Bill, though, right? Like Bill – Bill has a personality there. He may not let it out. He stays on brand, especially at the dais of the press conferences. But he plays it up there a little bit as well. Eric, thanks so much for joining us.

Go ahead. We got time. I was just going to say with Bill, his philosophy has always been with the media. If I win, they can't touch me, and if I lose, they can't save me. So he's not really interested in promoting any brand. He's interested in saying the least amount that he can possibly say and protect the advantage that he has in terms of what the Patriots are going to do. But at Personality Health Field, yeah, he definitely has that.

But, you know, what you're getting up there is he's just, he's not helping anybody in the media ever. All right. Last thing, quickly, I got 30 seconds. the rookie quarterback you've been most impressed by is who? I can't even go there yet with two weeks into the – we're going to the second game in the preseason. There's no coverages. There's no game planning.

There's very little offensively. I'd say next week is the week that you really start to get a glimpse of who these guys are. And, yeah, I don't have a front-runner yet. All right, he punts on his first opportunity to go forward on four-down-floating. Well, yeah, it was fourth and 12. All right. Thank you for the most part, multiplying our forces. Appreciate you join us, Eric.

All right, thanks. Eric Manjini, force multiplier, former Jets, former Cleveland head coach, going strong, saying, going to wait until next week, which is actually smart because you do have to see more when people get more of a book on him. I have a thought on the backup quarterback. It's a job to which I don't think anyone knows what it really entails. We'll share that with you upcoming next in The Hurt. catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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I won't do that, but yes, I could. Rachel Bonetta, who's one of three potentially visible tattoos, she regrets, right? That's a 33%. There's just one bad one that I think is very dumb. Listen, it was... And I'm not going to show. He was very nice at the time. And, It was literally like a word perfect. He's like, oh, what do you want? And I said the word. And he's just like, okay, just let me type it up real quick.

Like word perfect, whatever aerial font or cursive font printed it out, put it on my body. And I regret it every day. Listen, I'm glad that's the one you're, as opposed to the huge Jesus tattoo on your back. I thought that one you would. That one I'm fine with. That one I'm fine with. That one I'm proud of that one. Totally.

Totally. Totally. Totally. Rachel Benetta joining us here in the herd. Okay. So I don't, I think there are certain jobs in this world to which people believe they know what that job entails and they actually have no idea, no idea. I remember I was, I was at one of the other places I worked at and it was NBA draft day. And there was a kid, Kendall Marshall, I think it's just that Kendall Marshall played North Carolina, very good point guard, North Carolina.

And I still, and this is not a contradiction. I contend to this day. It's in 2012, right? Wasn't that when Kentucky won the national title? 2012, Kentucky wins the national title. Had Kendall Marshall not gotten hurt, broke his wrist against Creighton in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Had he not gotten hurt?

I believe that Carolina was the better team. They played Kentucky at Kentucky, lost in the last second shot or had a last second shot to win the game. and though both teams have improved, I thought North Carolina was going to be the better team. And Kentucky never played them. Anyway, it was draft day, and I said, hey, look, I wouldn't draft Kendall Marshall at all.

And he was viewed as a lottery pick or first round talent. And my logic behind it was, I didn't think he was good enough to be a starter because he wasn't a great athlete. He couldn't guard anybody. He wasn't a great shooter. But more than anything, if it didn't, work out as a starter. I didn't think he was good enough to be a starter. He couldn't be a backup

point guard. And what happens in people's minds is they think they're like, well, if you're not good enough to be a starter, why couldn't you be a backup if you're just this much not, you're just this close to being, you know, end of the league starter? Well, that's because the job of a backup point guard is completely different than the job of a starter. Now, look, I end up being right. It was helped out by the fact that Kendall Marshall Tours A.C.L. and never really recovered from it. But he wasn't a good NBA. player. He just wasn't. And the reason was, I couldn't find a place for him because he can't be a backup. This is, RG3 had the exact same problem. Like, RG3, and I think he has the same

problem in Baltimore. Like, RG3 does look like a guy who can still play football in the NFL, could still potentially be maybe a spot starter. But the problem is that the job of a, there's only, there's two types of backups in the NFL. Two. One is the future starter, right? And that's what a Baker Mayfield would be if a Sam Donald was one or a Josh Allen, to which you learn from the starter and you just get ready for your day. But

that window is only really a first year or two years in the league, really. I mean, that's it. You know, maybe it grows. But you only get that when you have a solidified starter. But the true backup quarterback, these

these Scott Tolzines of the world, that aren't really good. enough to be started. He's like, why do they survive? It's because the job's different. I listened to what Hugh Jackson said about Drew Stanton and the potential for Drew Stanton to technically be the number two quarterback in Cleveland. And that's what it reminded me of.

Take a listen. I've said from the beginning, you know, again, I think experience is important. So right now, Drew still has that experience. And we'll see how that all unfolds as we. go. I know what you're asking. I haven't made that choice just yet. But I think his veteran presence says a lot. He's playing a lot of games against a lot of teams. We're going to start off against and play against. So I think that's important to definitely consider. So people freak out and say, wait a second, Drew Stanton is better than our number one overall pick. That's

not what he said. Did he ever say there was anything about talent? No. What he's saying is like, look, we're playing a bunch of teams at start of the year. And Drew Stanton's got the book on those teams. He knows how to prepare. He knows how to get, whether it's to Rod Taylor or whether it's Baker Mayfield, knows how to get them ready. I harken back. And I don't often harken back, but Rachel, on this Thursday, I am hearkening back. I don't even know what that means. Well, the harken back is to look back, to think back, to remember. I remember. My millennial ears don't understand. Right. You've been on your phone the whole time.

That's not true. Tweeting, texting, Facebook live. Actually, IG and your friends. Sorry, sorry, it's millennial. You're IGing and IG live. You get your own IG broadcast. Go on. Go on. I harken back to something that Derek Carr said, I think it was last year. This is Derek Carr telling the story about when he was named the starter his first year in Oakland. He told me that day that I was going to be the starter. Asked me if I was ready. I said, yeah, I'm ready, you know. And the next day, I walk in to watch film. And Shab is sitting there. He shakes my hand. He said, congratulations.

He said, obviously, you know, I'm mad. You know, I think that I should be playing in those things. And I don't think he worded it that way. I'm just saying. But he said, whatever you need, I got your back. Whatever you need, I want you to know out of anybody in this building, I have your back. And from that point forward, he proved it every single day. He was never rooting against me.

He never wished ill will. All he did was help me and teach me how to play quarterback as a professional. Right. This is Matt Schaub, pick six, Matt Schaub, right? Max Schaub, who was, he was the backup in Atlanta, became the starter in Houston, and then all of a sudden he got in this stretch there. Greg Tooie, of course, remembers it well. He harkens back to the days when Matt Schaub was throwing touchdown passes again and again for the wrong team, right, Tui? What was it was like six games in a row?

Straight games with a pick six. Six? Yes. It was perfect. Six games with a pick six. It was really remarkable. It's like one of those, it's like one of those, you got Joe DiMaggio's hit streak, pales in comparison to, it. It takes a level of succotitude that we have not seen before or since to throw a pick six and keep your job in six straight games.

Anyway, Matt Schaubb's a pro's pro. He became a true backup. He understood. Like, look, a backup point guard, backup point guard doesn't play like a starter. A backup point guard has to change the pace of the game. You actually have to be many times the opposite of your, starting point guard. You have to press

full court. They want you to change. They want you to change the dynamic offensively, change the dynamic defensively. You've got to be a little bit tougher, a little bit crazy because you're missing something talent-wise that keeps you from being a starter. So if you're a backup point guard, you either come in and you're

Jamal Crawford and you just try and get buckets. Like don't care about anything, or you're the Matthew Delavadovas of the world. Right? who all you just you make life a living hell for the other team's backup point guard. It's the same thing in the NFL. Like the NFL, the backup quarterback's only job is to get the starter ready. Again, unless you're that future guy that you're just, you're not really a backup.

You're just a starter. They haven't named the starter yet. So when you see, when you hear, hey, Drew Stanton might be the backup to start the year, it's not because they don't think that Baker Mayfield's good. It's that Baker Mayfield can bring nothing to the table to help. to Rod Taylor get ready for week one. He just can't. There's nothing he can say. He can't say like, oh, that time we were playing Iowa State, I did this.

Like that doesn't help me at all. It doesn't help. And look, there are just jobs in sports. Hell, there are jobs in life that I don't think people truly appreciate what they are. You know? And that they don't necessarily mean that you can, you know, in television, I'm told the AD position, the assistant director position is really, really important. The director talks to the camera, people, picks the shots, and it's how you look on TV.

But the AD kind of sets the table so that the director looks good. Doesn't mean that the AD will eventually be a director. I'm sure most every every D thinks they'll eventually be a director or a producer or whatever. But it all, it means their job is incredibly important, but it's not the same job as the director. It's just not. The backup quarterback is not the same job as the starter. and so I don't freak out when I hear that from Hugh Jackson. I think Hugh Jackson's lived, understands this league.

And as much as Todd Haley has been an offensive coordinator, has been a head coach. You know what he hasn't been in his league? He hadn't been a quarterback in his leg. Whereas Drew Stanton has. You use him for all the information to prepare him. And then, like eventually when Baker Mayfield becomes the starter, which is merely a formality,

what happens in week one or week 15 or does, doesn't happen until next year. Then you hope that Tyrod Taylor can either be that guy or you have Drew Stanton to be the consummate backup only trying to help the guy, only trying to help the starter. Which again, is my fear for RG3. And it's the reason that Colin Kaepernick is not a backup in this league. This is, I implore you if you cover the NFL and you're one of these guys that is so woke that you watch these backup quarterback, you're like, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks. Why isn't Kaepernick's better. Kaepernick is, but nobody's arguing.

Kaepernick is better. Is there the protest part and that's gotten in blackballed? Sure, that's part of it. But part of it is his personality. The reason he lost his job in San Francisco to begin with was he wasn't about everybody else. Had his headphones on was about himself. And then when he goes and meets with Seattle last year, they even said he's a starting quarterback. The translation to that is he's not about getting Russell Wilson

ready. He's not about, he's not about what can I do to make Russell Wilson look good or to make any other star to look good. You factor in that with the protest, with the idea that, you know, Twitter might explode, not if you sign him, but then if you cut him, you, you factor all those things in and you're like, oh, well, that's why he's not a backup. It's not because he's not any good. And now he hadn't played football obviously in a year and a half. You start running out the clock on him a little bit. All right. Coming up next. Dak Prescott has lost his mind. Lost his mind. Casual.

Huh? Casual. Casual? Yeah. Lost his mind. Is that a millennial word? Is that I'm not catching out? What, casual?

How casual fits with Dak Prescott losing his mind? Just the way that you said it. Dak Prescott's last his mind. It's casual. It was a casual tease. Listen, I'll teach you everything. Stick with me. Also, hate the fact that you said woke.

Can we cross that off the list? Why? Come on now. It's already. Woke has jumped the, jump, jump, Jump the shark? For you? Yeah.

Really? I think so. But when I say media people... I wouldn't say woke. I didn't say you did, but I'm describing people as woke. You know there are people who all they do is troll social media all day for something that will somehow offend them and automatically respond without any context, without any knowledge of the situation, right? Uh-huh. Those are the people that are woke.

Okay. It's a fair description. This was me when you said woke. Note to self. Don't say woke. Find a new word. Dak Prescott. Do you want me to do less casual? He has lost his mind. Okay, there we go. That's another channel that does that, by the way. I'll explain why. Upcoming next, but first, have you ever taken your car for an oil change and the mechanic finds something else wrong? Surprise!

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Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Tomorrow on Fox, the big three playoffs are live from Dallas. Catch Barron Davis, Nate Robinson, and other basketball legends. they hit the hard with a trip to the championship on the line. It all begins at 8 Eastern on Fox or stream it live on the Fox Sports app. And don't miss the Big Three championship on Friday, August 24th. Nate Robinson, perfect example what we talked about, you know, where he gets, he was a really good backup point guard because he could change the pace because he could press.

He could score. He'd go get buckets. He just wasn't really a starter. Whereas Baron Davis was a starter, was an all-star, kind of completely different makeup of player. Barron Davis, I think, could have been a superstar in the NBA. I think it was a star. Could have been a superstar in the NBA. Sometimes some weight issues.

The knee I thought at UCLA, he was still a great player. It's awesome to watch them with the Big Three. Can't wait to see who's in the championship, which is in Brooklyn next week on Fox. Next week on Fox. Next week on Fox from Brooklyn. Big Three is a hoot. Huh? It's a thing. Listen, we're going to trade spaces and I'm going to say something like Hoot.

Yeah. That's one of the oldest one of the fight Adonnie Brook now. I just wanted to come down to your level. That big three is a hoot. It's a lot of fun, though. I covered it last summer. It was a good time. What's this?

What is this? What is this garbage? The big three is a hoot sheet. It's a hoot. Oh, yeah. There was a fight over at the Braves game yesterday. A real Donnybrook broke out. I'm done.

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Your brand is, you're definitely, your brand is millennial. Honestly, like, what's your brand? What's my brand? Is it cheesy if I just say like, real? Real. I just try to keep it real. I'm trying to keep it real.

That's why I don't, like, that's why I will continue to use words like woke, right? Like, oh, that's a word that millennials won't use. Guess what? I'm not a millennial. I'm not going to grow a beard and roll up my jeans and live in Brooklyn. That's not what I'm going to do because I'm not a millennial. Yeah. I suppose I am very much a millennial, yes.

Were you born in this millennium? Do you want to know what year I was born? I don't know, but isn't that the definition of millennial? What's the definition of millennial? Ninety-191. It goes to like the 80s. Millennial goes back to... Yeah, like, technically, I'm 32.

too. I'm technically a millennial. We wish you happy birthday yesterday. I'm technically a millennial, but I'm not at all a millennial. Wait, so what is the actual definition of millennial? Well, age range is 22 to 36. 22 to 36. So I do the math with the years. I've missed out. And one of my, I'm generation, my gen, Gen X.

Is that what? It was Gen X before it was millennial? Yeah. Is it going to flip back over? Is like the next one going to be Gen A? We're like, ah, we'd just start back over. honestly how does that work like when do we run out of generations i have no idea i don't either after millennials it's going to be something crazy what is the where does millennial come from millennium you came of age in the in the 2000s is that what it is probably coming it's a coming of age tale is that what it is i guess it's a coming of age tale uh millennials by the way super into friends which

my gen kind of kind of kind of calls that's like that's like our deal and a little bit older than me deal super into friends the show yes uh i think it's a number one download show on Netflix. What? Yes. I mean, I love friends. I do too. Favorite episode.

Favorite episode. I think the last one when Rachel goes to Paris and Ross is like, Rachel, we have really gotten off topic here. We have really gotten off topic. It's okay. The point was actually the fact that we get off topic and your Canadian wit and humor, your realness is your brand, which is kind of actually what I wanted to get to with Rob Grankowski.

I don't know if you guys saw this, but Gronk did a sit-down interview with, what is it called? The Undisputed, that was called? Uninterrupted. Sorry, we have undisputed. I didn't know if they copied the name, whatever. Uninterrupted. Uninterrupted is a really weird name. Anyway, it feels like a double negative, even though it's not a double negative.

Is it a double? I don't know. And he was, take a listen. He was talking about the rumor or the story out there. that he has never spent a dime of the money he actually made in the National Football League. It's interesting you talked about once that you only spend money from endorsements. You hadn't touched any of your NFL contract money. Is that still true?

It's still true. Yeah, if you see my NFL money, how much I made, I got way more than that, baby. Yeah, he's made $45 million in his NFL career. Gronk said they hounded us on school talking about his parents hounded us on school and that he's

this is kind of it's a little bit off brand to even admit that but that I actually cements to me do I think he has meathead in him? Sure right like I've met his family I've seen them on TV Apple trees make apples

we all realize realize like that is a household to which bro is said a lot in. It just is. That said, some of this is playing up to his brand, right? My brand is kind of meathead. You can't play for the Patriots if you don't have a high football IQ. You just can't, especially playing on the offensive side of the football. Eric Mangini joined us last hour and he said, you know, it doesn't matter about your talent.

Chad Johnson was a perfect example. Chad Johnson couldn't remember where to line up. It sounds so easy. It is, in fact, complicated. You do have to study, but you also have to have a football IQ. And so I think when you hear that, you're like, man, that's really, really smart. I don't think he's a complete idiot. I think some of it is, that's his brand.

His brand is, I'm going to be the big meathead dude. I kind of come from that kind of family. But secretly, financially, his house is completely in order. Now, if anybody thinks that he doesn't need the football money, that he's going to not play for long. Like, Gronk's going to shut it down. Drew Rosenhouse was hired as his agent two years ago. You don't hire Drew Rosenhouse as your agent

unless you're looking to get every last dollar out of your football career. That's just a known fact. It's a lot like when you hire Scott Boris as your agent in baseball, you're like, I'm going to fire my agent, hire Scott Boris. You're not looking for a hometown discount. You know, nobody goes like, well, I got Scott Boris, but I'll take a hometown discount. No, Scott Bores is going to write a book about how great you are,

and then they're going to take every possible major league baseball team, hold them upside down, and shake them for as much money as they're worth. And whoever has the most money that falls out of their pockets, that's where you're going. That's what happened with Bryce Harper this offseason. So I don't think this means that Gronk has protected himself. I think it means that Gronk completely understands that there is strength in this brand. Like, look, Jessica Simpson didn't come across as the sharpest knife

the drawer, right? When she had a reality show. Remember what? Buffaloes don't have wings? Remember the Buffalo Wing comment? But Jessica Simpson's actually financially pretty smart lady. Even the Kardashians. A lot of that thing is played up.

Like there's a little financial genius. A little idiot savant there. Absolutely. To what they do. Like playing dumb actually sells. Playing smart doesn't sell. People feel intimidated by bright people. They just do.

Like you want, it's like a whole idea of dumbing it down. Do I mean, look, the guy who, the guy who is occupying 1,600 Pennsylvania Avenue, he figured this thing out. Change your language. Use more average terms. I don't know if there was, this is actually how he speaks or how he's been told to speak, maybe a little bit of both. But it does play. It does work.

Whereas when you try, like, look, President, Obama was brilliant. But brilliant can be boring. It just can. And I think Gronk gets it. He gets his brand. The brand is meathead. Catch football, spike football.

Meet Grunk. Love to party. I don't think that's necessarily who he truly is, but I think he understands the profitability of it. So are you saying that he is some kind of genius underneath this? I don't think he's, look, I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on, right? Can I say, though, when you're making that much money,

he says he's what? only spending his sponsorship money. Yes. That's probably easy to do. Yes, of course. Plus when you're drunk and you play and you play the happy go lucky guy, like you're not ever picking up the tab. Right?

Like you can just, you don't have to buy beers for anybody. But even if he is, he's probably totally set with just his sponsorship money. Yes. It also shows how dumb other guys are, how wasteful other guys are. Yeah, absolutely.

Let's get to Rachel Bonnetta with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Raiders, Khalil Mack, his holdout is 20 days in counting. He wants a longer contract, more money, et cetera, et cetera. Media has been asking Raiders coach, John Gruden, if it's a distraction, this was his response. I don't think it's been a distraction.

You know, it's obviously been, for me, you know, it's been disappointing. You know, obviously, you know, you want to have your best player here. This guy's a really great guy, too. So it's disappointed we don't have them here. We're going to try to get him here as soon as we can. But in it time in, you know, you know, you got to move on. You got to get up.

You got to go to work. And that's one thing I'm very proud of of what we've done here. Safe to say that the Raiders need Mack. Safe to say. They do. But remember, Cleal Mack, he doesn't have anywhere he can go. Right? He's under contract for this year.

They can franchise tag him in the next two years. He can't actually go anywhere. You know what I wish John Gruden would say? Like, I mean, we are totally focused. He is not a distraction. Okay, but hold on. My question is, like, do you think that this is a Mac problem? Do you think he's coming across a little greedy?

He should just, you know, play the sport that he loves? Or do you think it's a team problem? He was the 2016 defensive player of the year. Look, I... They should meet his needs. They need him. They can't, though. They don't have the salary cap room, and they don't have the cash on hand.

So is he just going to hang out? Also, the team hasn't spoken to his representation since February. He's under contract for $13 million. They don't have to. They don't have to. Listen, if you don't like the way the collective bargaining agreement works, that's cool. That's fine. take it up with the NFLPA.

You're under contract for $13 million this year, 13 and change. And if we can't come to terms on a new deal next year, then you're going to be under contract for, I think it's like 17 or 18 would be the average of the top five salaries plus 20% or a 20% increase, whichever one is greater. Anyway, he's going to make a lot of money the next two years. He doesn't like it, and it hurts them against the cap some. But look, some of this is the Raiders.

They did screw up in how they spent their money, and they got a little bit back from Donald Penn two days ago. But some of this is Khalil Mack having to understand, like, look, you have two choices. Suck it up, come back, play football, make $13 million, and operate in good faith and say, hey, eventually I'm going to get paid. Or turn down the money and just wait and force them to trade you. Or force them to give you a new contract. Maybe that's what he's doing. That's the choice.

P.S. I went to that stadium a couple weeks ago. Which stadium? Raiders. Oh, it's a dump. Well, I mean, plus, you know, like, when the A's played there, the sewer, it smells. Yeah, I wouldn't watch the A's. It's awful. For some reason. It's the reason they left the first time.

Yeah, it's bad. And they came back and like, well, we'll build you at Mount Davis. Yeah, but they didn't fix the inner workings of the state. Like, no one thinks that stadium. It's a character. Huh? It's got character. It does not have character.

It actually, it's retro. It's like back in the 1970s, when they tried to make these, multi-sport stadiums, right? It's like the last of its kind. Every other one has been imploded or changed except for that one. Okay, moving on. Enos Cantor, former Kevin Durant teammate,

his move over to the Knicks now. He is still bitter about Durant leaving. Watch this hilarious video. Okay, if you have a problem in here. My man, you go home, take that shirt, and burn it, please. Oh, if you give me a Westbrook jersey, I'll change. I got you.

Doesn't even put up a fight. The kids just like, all right. Sure. He gives me something else. He's going to get a jersey. Jersey way more valuable than a T-shirt. That's a smart kid. But like, ghetto.

But not a millennial. Not a millennial. He's the next generation. Little young. Miss the guy. We're going to flip that. That's Generation A, starting back over. Canter needs to get over it, no?

Absolutely. He's not even a member of the Thunder anymore. That's the great part about it. He loved him so much that they sent him to a different team. Oye, y'oy, okay, finally, Braves, Marlins, they played last night. I love a good brawl. I love a good sports fight. So pitcher Jose Ereña hit Ronald Acuna with the ball.

He was on a three-game streak of lead-off home runs. First pitch of the night, it was the hardest this guy has ever thrown, 97 miles per hour. think he did it on purpose? Of course he did it on purpose. Of course he did. I think the kid had hit home. There's some conspiracy theories. He and the Soto kid from the Nationals are up for rookie of the year, right? He's hit home runs in five straight games. He's a freak. Little flamboyant bat flip guy, which I don't love in baseball. This is baseball policing itself. And it hit him on the elbow, but it was designed to hit him right, like right in the

midsection. That's where you're supposed to hit a guy. So yeah, it was a purpose pitch. This is baseball. Baseball can get away with these things because if you don't like it, they just go, hey, that's baseball. You don't understand. That's gross, though. But anyways, the whole bench cleared. Yeah, look at that. But you know what happened?

Is the Braves won the game? So that's a lot like Will Hunting and the famous line, which I told you, or who'd we inform in the dressing room? Who was in there in the dressing room? We didn't know the line. She was working with you. I don't know. You don't even know her name? No, I don't know what you're talking about.

I really don't listen to you all the time. Do you like apples? Oh, I knew who that was from. Goodwill Hunting. You're not even listening to me. Am I listening to me? Anyway, who did I inform where that line came from? Carleen?

My producer? Yes. Oh, maybe. Was that Carleen? Yeah, sure. Okay, so Carleen did not know, because she's a millennial, did not know where that line came from. Right. So the Braves won the game.

How you like them apples? No? No. Too hard, too much of a stretch? All right, that's all I got. Rachel Benno with the news. That's all I got. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The HARD Lye News. Is Maryland going to fire DJ Durkan before the season ever begins? And where are we with this Ohio State thing? And can we just get to the football season with no more controversies? We'll ask Bruce Feldman, who was at a practice and also a runway yesterday covering college football. He'll join us next in the Hurt. One more HARD?

The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search HARD to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd. We are, today is Thursday, right? Thursday the 16th. Is that 16th, right? Yep.

16th. Okay. So by my clock, we are exactly two weeks away. Two weeks away from today, college football on Fox Sports One. Matter of fact, my own modder, Oklahoma State, taking on, it's Missouri State now. But to those of us in the know, it's still South Mississippi State. Like it's SMS, whatever. You want to be Missouri State? Fine. Like Missouri State will never be Ohio State, whatever.

It's Springfield is a great place. They put a ton of money into basketball and football, but it's not Missouri State like a Kansas state to a Kansas. Anyway, so we're two weeks away. But just like basketball season, last year, college basketball season, with the FBI scandal that rocked it, now we have Ohio State and Urban Meyer on paid administrative leave. And DJ Durkin, who's Maryland's head coach,

who's also on paid administrative league. Bruce Feldman is a talented writer and of course does sideline work for college football on Fox. He's a reporter for The Athletic. He joins us now in The HARD here on Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports One. I will point out, I got it wrong, it was Monday, Monday, right, that you were at Del Bocca Vista Phase 2. That's when you were at Lane Kiffin's practice. And Florida Atlantic opens up at Oklahoma. but there's like a runway right next to their practice field?

Yeah, it's probably about from the picture of me to that Lane Kiffin picture right now. I mean, it's really close. It's just on the other side of their practice field. Plains, small planes are landing like every five minutes. So they're used to it. But for me, I was just like, wow, this is different. It's like the football version of St. Martin's, right? The island, right?

Where they have the, you can be on the beach and the jets come right overhead. And people, I've seen it in pictures. You know, you know of these practices. a little like that where planes fly over it. But this is like they are literally landing right next to you. By the way, at the place we both used to work, I swear to you, one time they put me at the Ameris Suites in Las Vegas. Like there's not a hotel room in Vegas.

Me and Dave Revison from Big Ten Network, we were doing a UNLV game and we were staying at the Ameris Suites, which is basically right in the runway. If you're coming down in Vegas, landing in Vegas later on today, like someone actually was paid to stay there in a TV job, right? Everybody thinks TV jobs are glamorous. state the mayor of suites in in Vegas. All right, let's get to, let's get to Maryland because we have more information now.

The strength coach has been fired. The head athletic trainer has been fired. Technically, the strength coach has parted ways. He got a severance of around $300,000. I would imagine there's probably a non-disclosure, non-disparagement tied to that. So he technically wasn't fired. But you had this press conference on Tuesday where the AD, Damon Evans, who, by the way, lost his own job at Georgia for his own scandal.

And the president, I thought, took a surprising step forward, at least in some level of accountability, because usually at those kinds of things, the schools try to steer clear of any kind of legal entanglement where it's going to up the price tag on what's going to come in some kind of settlement. They didn't do that. And things seem to be proceeding down this investigation in a hurry.

All right. I'll give people the short, quick kind of bullet points, right? Okay, so Jordan McNair was a redshirt freshman, very highly touted. That doesn't matter because he died. Like, even if it was a terrible player, it doesn't matter. But a really talented kid. And they did wind sprints at the end of a series of workouts. And it was 80 degrees. So it wasn't like ridiculously hot.

But at the end of it, he started what I would call bong out, right? He started to not be able to do it. And the head athletic trainer, right? That's the guy who's in charge medically of it, was heard yelling, like, get his ass across the field and other football players. dragged him across the field. At some point, he may have had a seizure, may not have had a seizure, but didn't receive the proper medical care, goes to the hospital.

They call the ambulance an hour later, an hour after the workouts, where his body temperature is 106. A couple weeks later, he actually dies from heat stroke. And then there was an ESPN.com piece that goes back and says, hey, the strength coach, the culture of it, the things they were saying, the way they were treating these kids. Toxic culture was the highlight. a toxic culture.

But, okay, so there's DJ Durkin. He's only been there a couple years. Will Mustchamp comes out and defends. I didn't like the idea that you don't like unnamed sources. Like, what do you think deep throat was? He was unnamed source. But how much is DJ Durkin responsible for a workout that he's not allowed to attend? Yeah, I think what's, you've seen stories of investigations into head coaches.

Tim Beckman lost his job at Illinois for alleged player mistreatment and abuse. There was similar allegations about Kevin Wilson, who lost his job at Indiana, also in the Big Ten, by the way. You know, Mark Mangino, who had a pretty successful run of Kansas, he was forced out after a lot of allegations. What's different in this case is you had a tragedy attached to it. And I think that put a lot more chips on the table here. You have a lawsuit that is likely coming down the pipeline. It is going to get really messy there.

And I think what the question is going to. be and this is from talking to some people who've worked there at Maryland is what is the line in terms of everybody's line is different where you feel like that is unacceptable treatment because there's a lot of people and you can go back years I remember this is a this is a this is a this is something uh buddies of mine would talk about when Mike Stoops got the job head coaching job at Arizona it was like 11 different media people went out there to do their Mike Stub's story and there was always some puk bucket story which was like how they push people they pushed them to limits they had not been because everybody was soft,

and that is laying down the culture and pushing people. And it's romanticized in a large degree in athletics, if you want to go back to the Bear Bryant Junction Boys stories. There's a lot of those. But in terms of where the line is, and I think that's a valid question, and what is the expectations here? You know, the people I've talked to have said,

okay, the line in their mind is when you cross it is, when it becomes more demeaning than just being, demanding and when it gets really personal and nasty. And if that's the tone around the program, you know, why were these trainers who at the press conference, the school president admitted really dropped the ball? Why did these trainers who should have known better? Where did they have such lax judgment? And was this something bigger because of that?

And it's a really interesting story because now you have a lot of players on both sides of this. She had players who spoke anonymously and former coaches who worked at Maryland in the ESPN.com store. But now you've had a lot of players speak up with their names attached to it, talking about their experiences with DJ Durkin and the parents' experiences. So I think it's going to be very hard for the university to try to sort that out. I also think there's the part of it, and we saw this at Oregon. Willie Taggart was only an organ for one year. But when he first got there, right, they had two guys have to receive medical treatment for a couple of weeks, right?

where they had these tissue injury, where the tissue was like eating itself. And it was because they, again, same thing, tried to push him past these limits. And we've all been there. As an athlete, you have to, you learn your body, your mind says no. And you have to kind of push your body past this threshold. But there's this safety element to it. But we all know, like every coach that comes in says, well, you guys lost because you were soft. And we're going to toughen you up.

Okay, let me quickly transition as we'll wait and see on DJ Durkin's fate. what do we know about where Ohio State is right now? Well, the deadline that the investigation was set for should be this Sunday. You know, I mean, it's any time within the next 96 hours, we're expecting to find out what they have determined from their investigation into whether Urban Meyer did, in fact, follow the protocols and procedures that he said he did do when he issued that statement from his own personal Twitter account about two weeks ago. And I think from talking to people around this story, and again, it's not people who are investigating, but people around it, I think there's a lot of people who feel like there is an increasing chance that he's going to retain his job, that a lot of people are going to say, hey, look, did he do the right thing?

Technically, technically he did. Now, the part of the investigation is to find out what did he know when he knew about it, and then what did he do about it? And I think some of this stuff that's been swirling around the Urban Meyer, Ohio State investigation, has been related to Zach Smith, who's the fired receivers coach in question with these allegations. Public publicity-wise, it didn't help that the Toledo Blade on Earth, a DUI, a DUI from a couple of years ago. Yeah, 2013. And it just, it was one more thing that I think people will say, whether Urban Meyer keeps his job or not. but if he does keep his job, people are going to go,

what was the reason why you kept him on, and then what exactly was it that you determined that's why you fired him? Now, we don't know a lot of the particulars on that. Do we know whether when they confronted Zach Smith was this? Was he not truthful about it? Did they catch him in lies? Is that what changed the night before Big Ten media days when this all really blew up?

We don't know a lot of that. And hopefully, when this investigation is concluded, we will get some measure of transparency to find out because there's a lot of unanswered questions about where I think goes. There's a ton of answer and answer questions. And I agree. And I said at the time on this show with Colin that what did he know, when did he know, what did he do about it? And we got to take a breath and allow kind of the facts to come out, right?

There is some due process. On the other hand, like I get that head coaches have to lie about things in recruiting and occasionally to the media. Even Nick Sabin, of course, the all-time lie. Hey, right down. I'm not be head coach at Alabama. but that sort of lie in the stance in which he, is that as great a coach as he is, is that really how you want your university to be represented? That's another question.

I don't think Ohio State answers properly if he keeps his job. Yeah, I think the question is going to be, look, if Urban Meyer keeps his job, I think there's going to be a large portion of people who are going to think he's been exonerated for that. And all the other stuff about whether he, quote, unquote, lied to the media at Big Ten Media Days, they'll get over that. The question I think that will hover around it, and I think unless you're an Ohio State fan, you'll be cynical about is,

you know, two of his biggest tenants of his program that he's claimed has been honesty and zero tolerance towards violence against women. And these are the issues that are hovering over him right now with the Zach Smith story. So we got to see.

I mean, was he being truthful when he said this most recently in his statement? We don't know. Hopefully we're going to get some answers very soon. It's going to be fascinating. And listen, this may be a selfish, want to just turn it to football, but it's the first off season. We're not talking about Jim Harbaugh.

He's finally got a quarterback. And you look at the tragic story of what's happened at Michigan State. And now this story at Ohio State is that maybe this is the year, even with that incredible schedule that Michigan ends up benefiting from the downfall of others and the rise of their own. Nothing, you know, nothing necessarily remains stagnant. Bruce Feldman read his work in the athletic course. Can't wait to see you on college football sidelines in two weeks.

Thanks for joining us. Thanks, Doug. The Bruce abides. J.ela Ramsey has a quarterback list. Comments on each of them. Guess who else does? This guy. I'll show you with you my list.

Next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. What up, Doug Gottlieb? In for Colin. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be making it's part of your day. Thanks so much.

We appreciate you. or watching on Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app. Rachel Benetta alongside, talented, eagle maniacal, but also quite clever as well. Rachel Bonetta here for the next, are you back tomorrow? I am back tomorrow, and I'm back next week. Yeah, next week don't care. They can't get enough of me. That's exactly what it is.

She has days. She has days to fill out, right? That's really, we got days. Got to use up the days. Sorry, that's a TV thing when you got days. Anyway, I kid because I do in fact care. Jaylon Ramsey's comments are making the rounds. Jaylon Ramsey, talented, pro bowl, cornerback, Jacksonville Jaguars.

He had an interview with GQ Magazine. Speaking of which, when was the last time you picked up a magazine? And GQ Magazine is one of those things to which you pick up. You're like, man, all those clothes look really great. They don't look like they would actually fit me and they're way too expensive. And I can't afford them. Yes, I can't afford them. We have, in my house, we have like a million subscriptions to magazines, and they just come in the mail, and then they sit on our dining room table until I throw them out.

You have subscriptions to magazines? Yeah. What magazines? Rolling stones. There's some like camera thing. Wait, you subscribe to a camera? Okay. Just, just two?

Yeah. Okay. But they sit on our table. All right. Yeah, I don't have, I sadly don't have any subscriptions to any magazines, right? I've just, I don't get the newspaper anymore. or I never got the news. I remember saying like, all right, I'm going to get the newspaper.

I grew up in Orange County. I'm moving back to Orange County. I'm going to get the register. I'm going to get the LA Times Orange County. And I got it for like half a year. And I was like, yeah, you know, like it just collects in the driveway. If I don't pick it up, nobody else does. There's like one section that I actually read and I can get it online.

And if I can't get it online, I'm moving on to somewhere else. Sorry, I just killed the newspaper industry. And it's not because I don't like Steve Fryer's work who covers high school sports. I still love my boy, Steve Fryer and so many writers. It's just, I don't know. Reading the newspaper is a very romantic idea, I think. Having a coffee, reading the newspaper, but Twitter is just like a whole lot easier. Yeah, I would so prefer to zone out and just look at Twitter and have it link me to this story.

I feel like this is me trying to read the newspaper. Now, I will point out, I will point out, and this is really important that I still like, when I read a book to read a book, I can't do the eyebook thing. I just, there's something about the feeling of closing up a book at the end going, yep, read that one. And then you, it's like a, it's, it's like the idea of the notch on the belt for a guy is like, see all those books, read all those books. Right? Yeah. No, I totally know it.

Doug. I read it cover to cover. I also colored in it, cover to cover. Also, I feel like when you're looking at a screen all day long, my brain starts to turn into scrambled eggs. Right. Yes. So.

So. You say I couldn't hear you. I've been my brain starting to scramble legs because I've been looking at a screen. Anyway, GQ Magazine, the same magazine which gives us watches that you will never pay full price for. Suits that look beautiful, but you've got to be way skinnier than I am. Athletic build suits just don't exactly exist or who actually needs them. And then guys just have way better hair, facial hair than I do. Like it's just not, doesn't work, doesn't work for me.

But I do like the magazine for the articles, including the article in which Jalen Ramsey kind of goes line by line. on different quarterbacks, what he actually thinks of the no-filter stream of consciousness, which we're going to do with Rachel Benetta on her Fox co-workers. That's actually what we're going to do. Stop. Yes, this we're going to go, all the people you work with in Russia. I didn't agree to this. All the people, we're just going to go like, hey.

Actually, sure, because I'll just say very nice things because everyone did a great job in Russia. Yeah, but see, that's not the reality of it, right? You can go like, oh, he was drunk the whole time. No way, Jose. How did you not know? No way, Jose. How did you not know? Lallus, man, Lallus always has a booghanging.

Lallus was drunk the whole time. I can confirm that. All right, so here's what we're going to do, okay? Jalen Ramsey has his own thoughts on some of the quarterbacks. We're not going to go through every single one of them. Right. But let's go through the ones that people care most about right now, the young, the young breed of quarterbacks. Because I think when he says that Matt Ryan is,

is overrated. There's no context to that. Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan was the MVP of the league two years ago, right? I thought Aaron Rogers should. Remember that was Aaron Rogers? Relax. They came back. They made the playoffs. Okay. If you want to tell me he was overrated

because you don't think he's legitimately a top five quarterback, I'm cool with that. But being overrated does not mean you suck. We don't understand that, right? He's not Rogers. He's not Brady. He's not Breeze. he might be or might not be Philip Rivers. But you can clearly win with Matt Ryan.

They nearly beat the Eagles last year in the road after beating the Rams on the road in the playoffs. And the year before, if they just ran the damn football, they win the Super Bowl with Matt Ryan as their quarterback. So saying he's overrated lacks context. So let's get to Jalen Ramsey's thoughts on quarterback first, then mine. Let's start with Josh Allen, rookie quarterback Buffalo Bills.

Jalen Ramsey, he's trash. My take. This kind of feels a lot like Buffalo, right? Just feels a lot like Buffalo. Like Buffalo once drafted J.P. Lossman. You guys remember J.P. Lossman? Began his career at UCLA, got beat out, so then he transferred to Tulane was a first-round draft pick of the Buffalo Bills. And a lot of people like, I don't see it with J.P. Lossman.

And J.P. Loss didn't end up backing up Patrick Ramsey, I believe. right? Yeah. It just feels like a Buffalo move. And starting him too quickly, everyone I talked to in the NFL says, hey, Josh Allen's got a chance, he's got a huge arm, he's got good feet, but he's kind of behind a little bit in football IQ. And obviously in accuracy, he's more likely to succeed the longer he sits, which of course means Buffalo is going to do the opposite of that, and they're going to play him right away. Feels like a very Buffalo thing. You know, he's big, he's strong. You got to have a strong arm to throw. Orchard Park in the winter.

Yeah, but you got to actually throw it to the right team. It's more important to throw it to the right team, isn't it? And Buffalo, he's like, you don't understand. It's cold up here. All right, let's go to Baker Mayfield. Jailer Ramsey said this on Baker Mayfield. I understand Baker going number one. I understand why he's the number one pick.

My take is I don't get at all why he was the number one pick. I don't understand that. You have the number one pick, go and get the best prospect. and I think close to 30 to 31 other teams thought that Sam Donald was the best quarterback prospect. That's really what it is. And so I don't get it all why they took him number one. I understand why you draft Baker-Mayfield because he feels like Cleveland, right? Everybody said they can't.

Everybody says he can't. He's too small. His arm's not strong enough. He's not athletic enough. Like, I get that. I just don't get why. If you have the chance to draft the one guy that everybody wants, why didn't you wait for it,

draft the one guy that everybody wants? Okay, let's go to Lamar Jackson. Jail Ler Ramsey said he's going to do a good job. That is as innocuous a take, ambiguous a take as possible. Here's what I think. People want him to be Mike Vic with a better head on his shoulders. That's what they want. The Mike Vick experience.

And there were times at Louisville where he was like Mike Vick. But there were also times to which play-wise, not off the field, he was like Marcus Vick. Like he just, his default is to run. He is a great runner. And even if you watch him now, he's not a step up in the pocket and deliver the male sort of guy. He does lack accuracy and he has arm strength. Like there are just some holes there. And the fact that he's a completely different type of quarterback from Joe Flacco.

Feel however you want about Joe Flacco in comparison to his contract, like Joe Flacco is fine. You can win with Joe Flacco. He can make every throw. Joe Flacco's 20 to 25 touchdowns, 10 to 15, 16 interceptions a year, fine. Lamar Jackson can really run, can really throw, but not necessarily to the right team, and he's really little. He's little. He's not Baker little, but because he runs, he puts themselves in harm's way. People want him to be Mike Vic.

I don't know if, I don't think he is Mike Vic. All right, Deshawn Watson. He'll be an MVP in a couple of years. Look, I put this off of the caveat. I don't know how healthy he's going to be long term because he's had two ACL injuries. and I do fear that they try to make him into a traditional quarterback. But I think he could change the sport. I think he'd change the sport.

Because remember, we've been told for a long time these college offenses don't work. They don't work long term. People adjust to them. And so we only had two games to which he set the world on fire. But Sean Watson is the real deal off the football field in terms of his personality and not having any sort of issues, completely buttoned up, absolutely gets it. And on the field, I think he's pretty accurate. I think the reason he had a lot of turnovers at Clemson

was because they had a different wide receiving corps, his final year at Clemson. He's shown the ability to change and evolve to win a championship like he did at Alabama. He can run it. He can throw it. And I think they put him in an offense which he was immediately successful. If they can continue to win with that offense, the idea that a college offense doesn't work based upon rule changes and how it's officiated in the NFL, I think he could change the sport.

Shaila Ramsey on Jimmy G. All schemes, I guess you could say he's good. Remember, Jimmy G lit up the Jacksonville Jaguars last year. One of his three wins against playoff teams, and this is back when the Jacksonville Jaguars were trying to win games late in the season. I think he's Jimmy Jesus. One, because if he grew his hair a little bit longer, the eyes, the beard. I mean, picture it.

Picture Jimmy Garoppolo. You nailed it. I mean, he kind of looks like Jesus, if he really does. And, oh, yeah, by the way, to take a team that was awful, they were horrendous. The Browns thought they were bad when he got there. To finishing 5-0, beating three playoff teams, granted the Rams didn't care about the last game of the regular season. But they still beat the Titans that went to the playoffs. Shouldn't have but did.

Beat the Jaguars that went to the AFC championship game. He could have won the AFC championship game. The turnaround and the look combined, I don't think it's all schemes. I think it's all Jesus, as in Jimmy Jesus. Coming up next, Rachel thinks I'm uncool. She may be right. But my lack of coolness, hipness pales in comparison to Eli Manning. It feels like Eli Manning kind of felt kind of cool yesterday.

It was like the dad jeans putting on some skinny jeans and trying them out for a day. taking them out for a spin. Take it out for a spin. Like, hey, you know what? The backside doesn't look so bad here at 37 years old. We'll get to that upcoming next. But first, here's a fact most Americans don't have a will. Is it because you don't think you're going to die?

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It's back and to my, it's, why, that's all you're going to do. You should, like, go on a road trip or something. No, come on, let's not go crazy now. But, like, you could, like, go to, You just, like, you throw the boards in it, you go down to the beach, or if you go into your son's ballgame down the street, like, it does have a new engine in it. It's got good, like, I did a great, Damien did a great job and redoing it. It's not totally the body needs some work, but all the inner workings of it are awesome.

So you're trying to say to me that the fact that you have a bus and you're re-did it. Yes. To make it look cool. You're going to drive it to your son's baseball game. That somehow makes you cool. Yes, yes, yes. Now? Okay, how about this one?

I thought that Eli Manning kind of, he sort of dabbled into the idea of dropping a funny line. Like, Eli Manning is known really for three things, right? I mean, obviously the two Super Bowl's, which, I mean, remember the first Super Bowl season was they had to win three road games

just to get to the Super Bowl, and then need David Tyree to somehow catch a ball with his helmet when Eli probably should have been down in the grasp. You know, that was a lot of fortune to it. But he's the guy who's beaten the Patriots twice in football's biggest game, right? That's the one thing he's done. Secondly, as Colin has pointed out, he's the least interesting of the Manning clan. And third, he's known for Manning face, right, or Eli Manning face, to which there's some sort of dissoning. disconnect between a very, like he's obviously a very bright guy, but the face doesn't match

that of a very bright guy. It's a, if I had to say, what's a duh look? Manning face was always a duh look. Like, what is going on there with Eli? But yesterday, after hearing that Jalen Ramsey had made comments about so many different quarterbacks in the National Football League, right? From Joe Flacco, he sucks to Aaron Rogers, doesn't. Tom Brady doesn't suck.

Tyrod Taylor is underrated. Marcus Mariotta, good game manager. Carson Wentz will be an MVP. Goff, average to above average. Dak Prescott, he's okay. Russell Wilson, good. Ben Rothsburger, decent at best. Eli Manning.

Odell makes him. This is that Odell makes him? Here was Eli's response. Take a listen. My Jim and Ramsey made a comment that at this point in your career, you're only a good quarterback because of your connection with O'Dell Beckham. Do you have any comment on that or any retort?

No. Who? Right? There's a little, there's a little, there's kind of a little like, no, no, I shouldn't, I shouldn't do it. I shouldn't. Who? I shouldn't do it. Shouldn't do it.

It was kind of, that was kind of dad throwing on, taking off the dad jeans, putting on the tight jeans for a little bit. Like, I'm going to try this trash talk a little bit, right? Say it with a smile. Like, Peyton can get away with it. I'm going to get away with it. You're going to start trashing people? I trash people all the time. Oh, I do.

I do it all. I don't have any problem with it. I don't have any problem with it. And he didn't actually trash J. Than Ramsey, right? He didn't go full, he didn't go full cornerback, if you will, or a full wide receiver. Never go full wide receiver.

Never go full quarterback. I believe that was from Tropic Thunder. But he did drop a little, who? And then he snapped back into Eli, corporate, quarterback, better off staying above the fray mode. You know? I liked it. I liked it. It's not his personality to give you personality, but I did think it was a little of, yeah, he's, when he wants to, he can be a different guy.

He can turn it on. He can definitely turn it on. All right. Let's get to Rachel Beneta with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. As Brian has touched down in Cleveland to meet with the Browns coaching staff.

You guys were talking about this yesterday. Here's what head coach Hugh Jackson said about it. It's not just a given. I think you have to work through whatever conversations we have and feel good about it. We do all of our homework prior to, and I think it's, you know, you have very open and candid conversation. But guys about what your locker room is, how your team has run, how we go about doing things, and see if it fits. And the player has to be honest, and we have to be honest what our expectations are. And you just lay it out.

And I think that's the only way you can do it at this time. So I don't know if Des and Hugh are on the same page because there is this photo floating around on the interwebs of Des, clearly at the airport signing some kids helmet. That's a Brown's helmet. What does it mean? Do you think that Des is going to be a good addition to this team? We've all been watching Hard Knocks.

You see a guy like Jarvis. Landry, clearly a great leader. Do you think he's a great leader? I think so. I mean, I think you look like a good leader to drop a few F-bomb, so that'll get me in check. Well, like, look, he stood up and they're like, turn on the lights, which would they turn on the lights because they wanted to make his point, or do they turn the lights because they knew TV was watching?

Oh, I didn't even think about that. Yes. No, but I did think that he, what I saw. Okay. So anyways, my question to you is, do you think that Des Bryant is a good addition? And you got, he's a vet, clearly, but sometimes he's not, you know, on the straight and narrow. He can be a little bit of a diva. He's a diva.

Right? Yes. You've got a kid like Callaway who's trying to stay in line. Do you think having another vet like Des on the team will help the Browns? In theory, yes. In theory. Yeah. Okay.

In theory, you got a guy who's a Pro Bowl wide receiver as you're number two. You're like, in theory, yeah, that could absolutely work while you wait for Josh Gordon to come. back if Josh Gordon comes back. That's in theory. The problem is, I don't think it's even work ethic. He's never been a disciplined route runner. He hasn't shown to have great hands. Like, dude, he got 133 targets last year, caught 69 balls, had a lot of drops,

and he doesn't create separation. Now, again, as a number two, it's not as big a thing. He's still a good jump ball. He'll fight you to the death for a jump ball. But does he, I don't think he has the gene in him that Anquan Bolden had. Anquan Bolden was a superstar talent that lost a step or two,

but remained in the league, could still be in the league if he wanted to because he's bright, he's a leader, and he was willing to block physical wide receiver, post up, if you will, to get open. More than anything, he was willing to do the little things

it took when his speed left him. Larry Fitzgerald, willing to operate out of the slot. Super bright, also a good teammate, but understood, hey, I got to have a 2.0 here. I got to find a misfetched. I can't just outrun and out jump people. anymore. I got to be a disciplined guy.

I don't think Des has that. And then everybody says, I'll be a number two. I'll catch less balls. Like, when was the last time that Des Bryant was not a number one wide receiver? He used to not get in the football. He doesn't handle it well. So could he? Yes. Will he? I would guess, no. It won't work out.

Well, we're going to find out next Tuesday. Next Tuesday on Hard Doc. Des Bryant. Tom Brady gave some shoutouts to his BFF. Gronk at practice yesterday. I think everything about him is what you're looking for. And a player and a teammate, you know, plays well in the biggest moments. And he's everything he looked for.

So I'm glad he's on our team. But he's, you know, been a teammate for as long as he has. I've watched him develop from when he first got here now and seen a lot of growth. And I know he's trying to do better every day like we all are. And, you know, I hope he has a great year. he's everything I've ever wanted in a man. We've got some stats of who else Brady has, his other receivers. Grunk's the best he's got, right?

You think he's just buttering him up? No, no. Gronk is a first ballot hall of fame. You know, like. You don't agree? No, no, I agree. He's great. And I also agree the juxtaposition of how good, if healthy, Rob Garnkowski is,

compares to what else they're going to throw out there. Remember, they don't have Julian Edelman. I like Braxton Berrios, who's been banged up a little bit. But I like him as kind of one of those classic Patriots find the mismatch guys. Right. You know, Eric Decker, who was on the street. And I know he had 53 catches with 10. I mean, it's Gronk and then a bunch of other guys that seem interchangeable because they seem interchangeable.

Right. But Brady clearly wants to play until he's like 95 years old. Gronk has had some, you know, said some things about early retirement. He's obviously not retiring right now. And he also said, do you remember Gronk said a thing a couple weeks ago? Like Brady's really mellowing out. I think Brady's like, oh no, I'm about to lose my guy. I think, maybe.

I think so? I don't know. Finally, this headline really caught my eye this morning. Tim Tebow breaks into filmmaking with faith-based movie. So, NFL, didn't really work out. Least surprising thing out. Mine don't think baseball. It didn't really work out.

Not right now. I want to play a little game. I'm surprised to take so long. Like, there hasn't been a Tim Tebow thing? I want to play a little game. What do you think Tim Tebow should do next? Well, look, he's still trying to make the... There's a chance for a...

You know, there was a chance for a call-up. Like, I think he's actually improved... I think he's going to see this baseball thing out for another year or two. Well, he's got... He had surgery on, what, his hands? He's out the next season? Yes. He decided to make some movies about...

God. Well, that's what he does every off-season. Like, I actually... When I say I think he's the real thing, I don't think he's actually like, Jesus? But I actually think he believes what he's saying. Oh, yeah, no. I don't doubt that. But I do doubt some other guys.

Like, I do doubt some other guys. You doubt the authenticity of some people that are on my television saying that they have great faith. Like I actually think this is like he, like we said about Richard Sherman or Jalen Ramsey, walks it like he talks it. Like he is what he is. I think he's the real and authentic object. And I think that he's going to use the power of what he's created in sport to try and help the world. Right.

I don't know. The world does need saving. And if he wants to save it, God bless him. Absolutely. That's Rachel Bedena with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. So here's when I read the comments that Jalen Ramsey said,

look, there's the one off lines about a Joe Flacco sucks. Joe Flacco sucks. And then there's the further, I think Josh Allen is trash. I don't care what nobody says. He's trash. It's going to show. That's a stupid pick to me. We play them this year and I'm excited as hell.

I hope he's their starting quarterback. He played at Wyoming. Every time they played a big school, like they played Iowa. state, which is not a big school, in my opinion, because I went to Florida State, he threw five interceptions. And they lost by a couple touchdowns or something like that. He never beat a big school. If you look at his games against big schools, it was like hella interceptions, hella turnovers. Yo, if you're good, why couldn't you do better? He fits that mold. He's big, tall quarterback, big arms supposedly. I don't see it personally. So it's not just that he says,

he thinks the guy stinks, he goes into why he thinks he stinks. Should be pointed out that while he's right, Josh Allen didn't beat a big school, he never played Iowa State. It was Iowa. And oh, yeah, by the way, Iowa State is a big 12 school. They were a lot better than Wyoming last year and the supporting cast at Wyoming. But I guess the question is this. I get that this is how guys talk in the locker room.

NFL players think they should be NFL scouts, think they know everything about talent. I don't necessarily mind it. I do wonder what the win is. and I think the win is I want to be a Dion Sanders I want to be a I want to be a

you know pick the guy who's the cornerback that that is on TV let's let's bring in Eric Dickerson of course Hall of Famer led the league in

rushing Fox Sports Fox Sports One NFL analyst Hello hello hello Ed thanks for joining us I do look I understand as a cornerback you can get away with trash talk. It's a wide receiver.

It's position dependent. It's not something you can do as quarterback. But is it too much? I like Jalen Ramsey. I like what he said. I mean, you know, as the media, y'all say sometimes, well, you're not giving me enough. You're not giving another talk about.

Well, he's giving you something. He's giving you the truth. You might not like the truth. That's how he sees it because he's a great player. And he's telling you what he sees. Because, you know, one thing about players is, you know, y'all is media. Oh, my God, he's great.

Oh, you see. how he running the ball. Look how he does. And players will say, he's garbage. Yeah, one or two good game. He's garbage. So I like it. I just think it's funny. I do too. I think there's a snapshot in the locker room. I do. It is. It is what the locker room is like. But that doesn't always mean that the guy is right, right? Like the Andrew Luck one, I don't really think he's that good. The interesting thing about the Andrew Luck one is statistically, Andrew Luck lit up the Jaguars. Andrew Luck is good. He's good. He's good. Right. So I guess, You know how guys make an argument and there's one part of the argument that is completely false?

So it brings down, it's like house of cards. Like, you know, they do that also when you're cross-examining somebody, right? When one thing they say isn't the truth, nothing becomes believable. Does this hurt his credibility that he says, hey, I don't think Andrew Luck's that good. Like, wait a second, Andrew Luck has a 135, 135, 135, 132.5 quarterback rating against the Jaguars. The stats tell you the exact opposite of that. Well, you know, and Andrew Luck hadn't played in two years. you say it, you're like, well, I ain't seen Andrew Luck.

You know, so you kind of have a tendency to forget. You forget what a person has done in the past. Andrew Luck is a good quarterback. And he could be a great quarterback if he's healthy, you know, through his career. But, you know, I do like what Jalen said. I mean, he called out guys that he's played against it. And you know what? That is his truth.

That is what he thinks of each player. And he's got to go out and prove it because if I'm reading this, I'm like, oh, you said it about me? Okay, I'm going to try to toast you. How much of this, it's like Richard Sherman, how much of this is about getting out from behind the shield, behind the face mask, trying to build a brand to being, hey, I'm that guy. I mean, because, you know, look, here's this quote.

I think Matt Ryan's overrated. You can't tell me you win the MVP two years ago. Then last year, you're a complete bust. You still got Julio Jones. There's no way that should ever happen. I don't care. By the way, they did make the playoffs, beat the Rams, nearly beat the Eagles on the road. They got a lot better at the end of the season.

You didn't have a bust season. You know, but I think that, you know, also you got to look at, you know, is offense coordinator. It was a different. That was different. So it was a lot of, it's a lot of, and the NFL people have a tendency to forget, especially if you don't play on that team, it's a lot of moving parts. I mean, it really is. But Jalen Ramsey, if there's a defense that he doesn't like, he doesn't play well in,

you know, and he could be a buddy. Like, well, he's a bus, but that's not, I don't play well in that defense. So, you know, you know, like I say, this is giving you a look into the locker room, just how players talk, because we talk, and we do. You remember Jerry McGuire? Yeah, the movie,

yeah. Right. Okay, remember Rod Tidwell? Okay, Rod Tidwell was Cuba Good and Jr.'s character. Okay, yeah. And so Rod Tidwell back then, or at least in the movie, and there was some of this was real. Some of this relates to Jalen, but it's more to, I was thinking to Zicchio Elliott. In order to get paid, which at the end of the movie, he's sitting there with Roy Firestone.

Yeah. I'm not going to cry, Roy. I'm not going to cry. Then all of a sudden he gets the contract that he apparently agreed to without actually knowing the numbers. Anyway, he had to dance, right? He's like, I'm not going to dance. I'm not going to dance.

And then finally he does dance. Ezekiela came out a couple days ago and said, hey, I'm starting a Marshall Falk as a receiving running back. Right? I want to be able to catch the ball out of the back field. I want to be multi-dimensional. 56 catches in two years. Some of those numbers low because last year he missed six games.

How much of this is about Zeke really wanted to diversify? How much of it is about like, look, if you want to get paid, you want to get Todd Gurley money, you've got to catch the number of balls. Todd Gurley catches. How much of it is the Rod Tickie? headwell, you got to catch balls to get paid. I think Zee just wants to get better.

And that's what I think it's all about. You know, when you watch other players like, you saw how Todd emerged last year and two years ago, people thought he was a bust. But, you know, that was the offense he was in. I mean, the Fisher offense was terrible. And it's the same thing here in Dallas. I mean, I really believe that that offense is pretty simple.

And it's pretty vanilla. So you've got to find ways to make yourself a better football player. Look, if he rushes for 16 or 17 hundred yards and catches, 20 passes or 10 passes, who's going to care? You know, in the touchdown, we want the yards in the touchdown because you got the yards, that means that we're grinding the clock out. We're keeping the ball away. We're playing cowboy football.

Cowboy football has always been, yeah, we'll throw a swing pass out to the backs. You know, we might throw a checkdown, but really, we are running football team. That goes back, you know, anything thing with Emmett Smith. I mean, that's how they won their Super Bowls. Des Bryant's visiting with the Cleveland Browns today. What do you do for Cleveland? I mean, I think it would be a good pick for Cleveland. I really do.

I think it would be a good spot for him, too. I know he wants to play in the NFC West. I mean, NFC East would go against the Cowboys. That's not going to happen. You have to let that go. You know, you got to go to a spot that possibly has, they have a really good head coach in Hugh Jackson. You know, I just feel like that he's, he's had some bad breaks

and young quarterbacks and players haven't played well. But I think it's a good fit, but it's not Dallas. That's the thing. It's not the star. know, it's Cleveland. You got to get set for that. Yeah, I mean, you go from Dallas. To Cleveland.

Like, I went from L.A. to Indy. Right. That's a dramatic. And people don't remember. They think Indy as Indy Payton Manning. No, no. This is not, this is not Indy?

It was cornfield. Okay, but is there something you need to, like, again, some of it is, you got, he's going to have to take a small amount of money. He wants a one-year deal to prove himself. But he also, he's going to have to be the number two wide receiver at best, right? He's not going to be a three or four because he's not a special teams guy. But he's,

But he's going to have to evolve some as a person and as a player. Is he capable of that? That's a lot to ask of a guy who's always, he's an alpha in the locker room, he's an alpha on the football field, and to be getting half as many balls thrown his way and to not be getting the attention of the defense and being told, hey, dude, like, this is a different phase of your career. Everybody says they can do it.

How hard is it to actually do? You know, it's hard to do, but, you know, I understand. Des is not, and Des, look at the mirror. He's no, he's not 21. He's not the day as Brandon came out when he came out of Oklahoma State. He's not that guy anymore. Right. You know, you have to, you have to revamp your career.

Look, you're not going to catch those 80 balls or 100 balls. That's not who you are. You want to be on a team that you possibly can win football games and you contribute to. And you show that, look, I can be, I can play anywhere. I can be, if not a number one, I could be a number two receiver someplace. I think that's what he needs to look at. He's never probably going to be that number one guy. Those days are long gone.

I mean, we all want to. stay 21, 22 years old and be that guy. But Father Time has a different, he has a different answer for us. All right. We're going to see the Patriots first time, first time tonight. I guess my question, you look at their division, you're like, I got to pick the picture. Right? I mean, it's Sisters of the Poor.

That's eight wins out of Mac. But in terms of getting to a Super Bowl, like, man, I don't know. Last year was the lack of playmakers on defense. This year it's Grunk and I guess Edelman. Like one of the things is we're all saying like when Edelman gets back like, dude, Julian Edelman is coming off of a torn ACL, isn't he? Like the idea that a 32 year old Julian Edelman who was a nice player is somehow going to save the day when he comes back, maybe with the help of whatever he got suspended for,

I don't know. What he gets suspended for? Nobody knows. And isn't that odd? Nobody knows. Nobody knows. He didn't really kind of challenged it but didn't be. the white flag kind of quickly.

But do they have the weaponry around Tom Brady to still keep this train moving down the track? You know the thing about the Patriots, you can never count them out. You really can't. I mean, last year we said, oh, their defense isn't this. The defense isn't stopped.

They're the worst defense in the NFL. They're in the Super Bowl. So when you've got Tom Brady and you've got Belichick, you've got a chance to win. And you've got Grunkowski, I mean, which I think is probably the best tight end of the national football. They heard you say earlier when it comes

in Hall of Fame. Yeah, he'll be a first. about at Hall of Fame, for sure. But as a player, I like him as a player. I like him as a partier. I mean, you know, I like he parties. He's definitely on brand. Eric Dickerson, who, Grunk, if you're watching, he's available next time. No, no, no, the young era. I'm the young area. I used to like it. When I was doing the same thing, I'm old and I can't do that. Fair enough. Eric Dickerson, you see him on speak for yourself a little bit later on. Edie, thanks for joining us. Thank you.

All right, coming up next. It might be the best unwritten rule in all of sports. I'll share with you in the best for last. It's next. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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for this very moment. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. All right, there's unwritten rules in sports, there's unwritten rules in life. And one of the ones to which we'll seemingly forever live on is the unwritten rule of baseball, which if you're really, really good and flip your bat or maybe you're just really good and really young, we're going to try and take you down a peg and we're going to be in you.

That's what happened with Braves Ronald Akunya. That's like Akunya Matata, Acuna. He gets bean in the elbow by Marlins starter Jose Urena. And it was the very first pitch of the game. Acuna had homered in five straight games. Matter of fact, it had three straight leadoff homers. So what do you do? You bean him.

It started a little bit of fight. and the Braves end up winning the game. Acuna's fine. X-rays were negative. By the way, x-rays are always negatives. That's what they are. They're X-rays. Anyway, so that had us thinking about other unwritten rules in sports, right?

It's Goulet trying to figure out what's an acceptable or unacceptable unwritten rule. P.S, I don't agree with you on the bat flip. What do you mean? I do not agree with you on your bat flip take. That's because you're Canadian and Jose Batista. I was about to bring him up.

That was one of the best moments ever. No, Joe Carter's home run was the best moment ever for Toronto Blue Jays. Yeah, but I mean, I'm talking bat flip. Best moment. It was a big time bat flip. It was a little too per net. Like, look, I don't care about it in that situation. I do think it's situation dependent a little bit, right?

Like, you hit a home run and nobody's in the park in the third inning. You start going, you start Cadillac and taking your time around the bases after bat flipping. Like, you're going to get your tower buzz next time around. in a playoff game, a walk-off home run when the place explodes, I'm less apt to care about it. But that's me. So I'm anti-batflip from baseball guys. Like, look, baseball guys, like, this is the way we want our sport to be policed.

What do you got for us? All right. So you just tell me if this unwritten rule is crazy or not, okay? Yes. Don't foul an NBA player when he's mid-air. Oh, that's absolutely a fair. The idea is once a guy is you're going to fight, That's what starts a fight in the playground.

That's what definitely starts a fight because you're allowed to foul a guy. You're allowed to foul a guy when he's lighting you up. He drives down and laying. You're allowed to hammer him. You don't touch a guy waist or below when he's in the air because he doesn't know where he's going to come down. And he's very, very much more likely to get hurt. So that's absolutely a fair unwritten rule. Yeah, that's trashy.

NFL rookies must pay for insanely expensive team dinners. This is a stupid unwritten rule. This is dumb. It's really dumb. Oh, my goodness. The guy just got the first paycheck of his life. Let's take half of it, shall we? That's awesome.

Yeah, apps or desserts, let's do both. Like, dude, come on, man. I hate the rookie dinner thing. I think it's dumb. I think it's a bad look, especially when you haven't had anything and now you're going to spend somebody else's money. Like, I hate those. Is this unwritten rule crazy?

Don't talk to pitchers during no hitters. Can I take a middle of the road stance here and say it depends on the guy? Like, treat the guy as if you'd always treat him. Like, if the guy wants to be... You can't ask him. What if it's like, dude, don't talk to me. Like, you got to know ahead of time. That's a good point.

I wouldn't mess with him. When I'm, like, in the zone, I don't want... I'm, like, very one track. Mine can only handle one thing. Soon as start... Really? Like you this morning, when I'm trying to prep all my herd lines and you're talking about goodwill hunting, I'm like, I can't deal with this.

I just said it's one of the great lines in the history of filmmaking, second only to a line in Empire Strikes Back. And you had no time for it. No time for me. Like, I'm trying to create relationships here and, you know, have a connection with working together on air for the next two days. No, you have no time for me. I thought millennials could multitask. Not this one. No.

No. Is this unwritten real crazy? If an NBA player is about to get benched, let him shoot. Yes, this is a fair fair. So here's the way it works, right? You're bringing the ball up to court, and somebody's kicking. Everybody knows who a guy is coming in for. There's a set rotation or you take a bad shot, you get into foul trouble.

Whoever that guy is, it's an unwritten rule. First half, a regular season game, a little different in the playoffs. That guy, you're totally allowed to take a terrible shot. Totally allowed to go get one. You know why? Because they can't take you out twice. I'm okay with that. Is this rule crazy?

Don't date another player's X? Not crazy. Not crazy. People shouldn't do that. Now, for women, like my wife said, if you're going to date somebody's ex, that you have to get,

you have to get like the okay from her? It's just all awful. Just don't do it. Yeah, but what if you have a connection with this person? What if you have a connection with this person? I don't know. I'm talking from a place that's never happened to me before. Look, I've been told, like,

the reason that Matt Barnes went after Derek Fisher wasn't because, he was dating and now I think married to his ex-wife. It was because he didn't tell him. So what was it to ask permission? No, it wasn't ask permission. Just don't do it. I would generally say that's fair.

But at least go like, hey, dude, just once you know, like, I want to ask your girl. It's not like I want to ask for your hand in marriage. Like, I want to take her out first. Are you cool with that? And even he says, no, you still probably go ahead and go. Last one, is this unwritten real crazy? All heard guest hosts must buy lunch for the entire step. Not crazy.

Not crazy at all. Colin sometimes in the past does this. What Colin does is he orders a tuna sandwich with mustard. No, we got proof right there. Look. Picture of all of us eating lunch from Colin. That's one time. I didn't say it was frequent.

It's probably on Dave Cuello's credit card, which gets built directly upstairs. What's the most expensive thing that we can buy in the cafeteria here? You can get some sushi. It's pretty good. Well, you know, honestly, these cold press juices, that I drink. Those are rather pricey. I'm just like, how much? How much? It's actually gold and bullion is how much

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