The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jalen Ramsey TRADED to the Steelers, Patrick Reed WINS in Dallas, Best drinking weekend

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

John Middlekauff REACTS to the major blockbuster trade between the Pittsburgh Steelers vs the Miami Dolphins in which the Steelers acquired star CB Jalen Ramsey & TE Jonnu Smith for Minkah Fitzpatrick and a pick. John discusses what the immediate future looks like for both teams and if the Steelers can improve their standing within the division against the Cincinnati Bengals and the Baltimore Ravens. Later, John dives into golf with the latest edition of "Go Low" by talking about Patrick Reed's big win in Dallas at the LIV tournament and what that win means for his potential spot on the Ryder Cup team. Next, as we head into the 4th of July weekend, John breaks down the best drinking weekends of the year. Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:16 - Ramsey traded to Pittsburgh 25:46 - Patrick Reed wins at LIV 42:01 - Great drinking weekend 45:33 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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John Hussmith. I do think the Minka Fitzpatrick curveball kind of came out of nowhere. And now you have the Pittsburgh Steelers that come into this, you know, training camp in a month, adding a lot of different people, right? I mean, Jalen Ramsey, I don't want to say a huge, personality, but has been traded from a couple different places. And I would say that the Rams was probably more financial. This one was a little more personality. You bring in D.K. Metcalfe, which gets a personal foul every other game. You got Aaron Rogers, who like I talked about on the podcast the other day, I just watched

Enigma. I don't recommend it, but if you want a weird cat, 41 years old, a lot of moving parts. Now, in fairness to the Steelers, you go, well, look at what we've. been doing, we haven't been anywhere close, even though we've been making the playoffs. I've been saying this for a while. You have the chiefs who are in their own little world, right? They go to the Super Bowl, it feels like every year.

Then you have this next group of teams, one of them being in their division, their rival, the Ravens, and the Bills, who we've seen them play in the playoffs the last couple of years and didn't come within, you know, a single digits in those playoff games. And this year against the Ravens was a fucking shalacking.

And if you look at the way they played down the stretch, they were getting worked. Even the Bengals who missed the playoffs, there's no one that would have argued by the end of the season. The Bengals were a much better team than the Steelers, and obviously they beat him at the end of the year. So sometimes you got to mix it up. I got to be honest, though, doing this after OTAs feels a little weird, feels pretty dramatic. I do think from a financial standpoint, Mika Fitzpatrick essentially is two years left on his deal, but really this is the last deal. And maybe they looked at it like this.

a little bit like the Houston Texans with Laramie Tunzel. We don't plan on giving him another big contract. Now, obviously Tunzel's number at left tackle is enormous. Minka, because of the position he plays, is smaller. But in a weird way, this move was more big picture, even though in theory, I guess it helps them in the short term getting two guys, especially one in the secondary. And I just think it was pretty crazy because I start texting around the league.

My take is, and I'm not banging the film like the old. days. So I text my buddies and they go, I go, is Jaylen's still good? And I got multiple guys that work in pro departments, say, declining starter. I mean, his days of just locking down the best wide receiver are over. Now, he's still a solid player. He will tackle. And maybe the Steelers bet on, you come to our culture like you were with the Rams. You're going to be an all-in guy. You still got,

you're not bad. I mean, how old is Jaylon Ramsey? 30, 31 years old. So technically, he has a big year. maybe he continues to play for a while. Yeah, he's 30 years old. He feels older than he actually is. And listen, they traded for a declining player. And I go, what about Minka? To me, he's a pretty good player.

They're like, yeah, high-end starter. Now, this is where we get to the hierarchy of positions. And I would say safety's near the bottom. You could argue down with guards and centers making so much money and their importance given how many interior pass rushers are good, that guards and centers have jumped safeties. And, you know, I think linebackers, I mean, if you get a good one,

they are extremely important. You could argue that safety is last on the list of importance. Now, I think Mick of Fitzpatrick and guys like that are game-changing players, but the Pittsburgh Steelers just told you what they think. They think his value, despite being a high-end player, is a little bit overrated. Because you see it on paper, like,

what did they just do? And I saw on the internet, it's not like the Steelers' defense was that, good last year. I think, you know, their past defense was near the bottom of the league. And I do think if you look historically at the Steelers, you know, whenever you see clips of like the late coward days or the early Tomlin days, they had a lot of tall corners. Like they have an organizational philosophy that comes from the owner. They want to run the ball, Arthur Smith, Caleb Johnson. They want big corners and pass rushers. And they add Darius Slay and they add

Jalen Ramsey, two guys who you would say their arrow is pointing down, but given the way they want to play. Maybe they think that you know, based on we're losing a safety. It's not like he's matching up with, you know, Jamar Chase or, you know, the Ravens' Zay Flowers. So one of those guys, and Jalen has before, you can move them around a little bit,

put over if you're playing a really, really good tight end. I'd say overall, it just shows you. I mean, the Steelers are just like going for broke. Fuck it. And in a weird way, clearing their books for the future and getting rid of a guy, getting short-term value right now, I think it's pretty

risky because the other thing, and this is what assistant GM told me, Minka's a tangible is a pretty elite. Like what he brings you, you know, in terms of leadership, in terms of practice habits, in terms of just focus, pretty special. Like, he's a, check all the boxes. You know, sometimes when these teams do their draft content and we get like an inside look of like he was a star player, he was a horseshoe player, he was a gold star player. Like, that's what this type guy is. and that's hard to quantify sometimes. So just like, well, he only had one interception. Well, he just, it's like, well, what he's bringing to the table,

Jalen Ramsey's not exactly bringing to the table. And maybe they think that like, that's a little overrated. We have other guys that can fill that role. I mean, that's why we pay TJ all this money and Cam Hayward still around. Like, they can run it. Because statistically, like at the end of the day, this is a production-based business, and we need to be better. Like what we've seen the last couple years, and this is why I'm out on,

have been out on them. It's like, it's just not good enough. Like, I've seen you with these players in these biggest moments and you're just not good enough. I still don't think they're good enough. But, like, listen, they did it last year. Take a big swing at quarterback with a couple guys who they technically got for cheap in Russell and Justin Fields. Hopefully it upgraded them from the Kenny Pickett-Mason-Rudoff situation. And now they're doing it again with Aaron Rogers. They're hoping that upgrades.

And they go, actually, maybe this helps our defense a little bit, getting these tall, long corners. I still think it's crazy ever trading a player like Minka Fitzpatrick, who has lived up you trading for and then brings all that stuff. But, like, this is a business. And this is not one of those worlds where you just pay everybody. That's not how it works. And they have some high price guys. I would imagine they have to double down over the course of the next month or two on T.J. Watt, giving him that Miles Garrett, that Max Crosby, like $100 plus million. And maybe they want some wiggle room. They also gave D.K. Metcalfe a ton of money. And they're bringing in, you know, Mike Tomlin gets a lot of credit, and rightfully

so, his ability to manage personalities is really, you'd argue, like, his leadership, his ability to manage the team and some crazy motherfuckers is his best attribute. Because you wouldn't call him like some genius scheme guy. Right, hell, their best defenses

has been when Dick LeBoe ran the defense. He definitely is not an offensive guy. So you go, hey, hey, Mike, Godspeed, here's Rogers, here's D.K., here's Jalen. Go get him. because it's unfair, and I know coaches and executives loves to say this, is like our best teams are when our locker room runs the team.

And that's true, but it's also pretty easy to do that. Like, I've seen some of the good Niner teams, like where our locker room handles. Yeah, you've got a bunch of high-level guys. Like, no one's really fucking around. It's much harder when you've got all these different personalities. You know, it's hard to be, I mean, who is more famous than Aaron Rogers in the NFL? Maybe Mahomes? Maybe.

And you'd argue, I mean, honestly, if you just ask, they're probably equal. Like you ask someone's grandma, you ask someone's wife, like you have the most famous player in the league on your team who's a little bit of a lightning rod and from a playing standpoint

is all over the map. Because to me, if you're the, this is the easiest trade the dolphins ever, you're going to make. We're trading Jalen Ramsey. Like he's not going to be on the team.

He clearly wasn't showing up to meetings on time. Our organization was over him. And we're going to get Mika Fitzpatrick back who, listen, who else were we going to pay? Tyreek Hills probably. not going to be on this team in a year. We will just get a guy that we originally drafted back in the building and we'll just keep them around. Now, as someone in the league told me,

Middle Cuff, check out the Dolphins cornerback depth chart. Doesn't look great. And then I started thinking like, obviously the bills, they haven't beat the bills in like 10 years. So they're not beating the Josh Allen bills. But when you look at the Jets, Justin Fields is their quarterback. Last time I checked, he's not exactly Chad Pettington picking you apart. So from a past game standpoint, I don't know if the Jets scare you. And then the Patriots, from of personnel standpoint is not great. And if you look, their offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, I mean, I don't want to call them a dink and dunk offensive coordinator,

but the most success they had in New England, especially over his second kind of run post-Randy Moss, was Edelman over the middle, gronketide in, and throw into the running backs. And if you look at their personnel, it's clearly not as good as those teams. So it's like they're not going to be the most explosive offense. Maybe you think you can get by for a little bit. Now, you guys know where I stand on the Miami Dolphins.

I think they're going to be terrible. And there's already been a lot of buzz about Mike McDenck Daniel getting fired at the end of this year. I just think their team just has a lot going on. Don't blame them for getting rid of Jalen Ramsey. Obviously, if a team was going to take a Jalen Ramsey, it was going to be, I would say a big name, big personality coach. It would have to be a guy like John Harbaugh and Andy Reid, you know, Mike Tomlin.

You weren't sending him to like Liam Cohen. You know, you weren't sending him to Jonathan Gannon. a coach feeling comfortable that I can handle this was going to be, Mike Talman was clearly on the short list. And if you told me at the beginning of the offseason, they're going to get back Minka Fitzpatrick in a trade for an older tight end and Jalen Ramsey. And I think they,

one team gave a fifth, one team gave a seventh, whatever. But that's a very, very easy deal for Miami. And I think if you're Pittsburgh, you needed to fucking change things up. I think sometimes too in this,

you know, football, I've said forever football is like Wall Street. on grass, it's very cutthroat. And sometimes you need to let everyone know because people, and I've asked this question, like, I thought the standard was the standard. I thought there's the Pittsburgh Steelers, not even just the Lombardies, but like we're going to compete every year at the highest level.

And for a long time with Rothersberger, even though when they weren't winning it, they were right there in the mix. If an injury doesn't go their way, they couldn't beat the Patriots, but everyone else they could play with and they could beat anybody. This team is not the case. And I think sometimes it's an organization like, hey, listen, everyone better fucking have their head on a swivel. This shit ain't acceptable.

It's not Minka's fault, but it kind of shows the locker room like anyone can be traded. It's almost, it's not, I'm not comparing Minka to Luca. But sometimes those moments, remember when Luca got traded, everyone in the NBA is like, I think Anthony Edwards is like, well, shit, if they trade Luca Donchich, Minnesota could trade me. And I just think everyone in the locker room like,

you're off season this next four or five weeks before you show up to training camp, better not just be fucking slamming Coors lights. you know, smoking weed and eating pizza, your ass better be training because we will get rid of your ass. If your name ain't T.J. Watt or D.K. Metcalf, head better be on a swivel because this ain't going to fly anymore. And I do wonder if there's an element of that just to kind of keep everyone like, damn, you know, kind of wakes you up. I think, especially any young person, and I remember this in the NFL, and even when I started in radio and like ratings were a big part, sometimes when you have a tough conversation and you're 25, you're 28, you're 30, especially when you get a little cocky

and you start feeling yourself, they can humble you really quick. Or there'd be a situation in your building where they just fired that guy? What? If they fired that guy, sorry, I'm sweating. I just got done working out and showering. It just, it was a wow moment. So I, I, where I commend the Pittsburgh Steelers is we crush them so often for being too conservative. Well, they're never willing to do anything. They're just cool with winning nine or ten games and they keep telling us, standard is the standard. Championships are bust.

It was like, this is bullshit. Like, at least they're like, fuck it. Like, this ain't working. Let's try something else. Now, isn't going to work? Baltimore's in a different league. But like, I've been saying for a while, like, I don't feel great about Cincinnati. Their offense was awesome last year and they won nine games.

They have a new defensive coordinator. Their star defensive end hates the organization. The guy they drafted to replace that guy. thinks he's getting, you know, rat-fucked in the contract negotiations. He just left OTAs. So a lot of moving parts in Cincinnati. Obviously, Cleveland's going to suck. The AFC is really good.

We know the Chiefs ain't going anywhere. The Broncos and the Chargers are going to be better. The bills are going to be awesome. If the Patriots, look at their schedule, they could be solid. So maybe the Steelers are like, we need to mix something up. Like, what do we got to lose? Seven games again? I mean, that's, what are we doing here?

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Okay, let's dive into a little go-low and talk some Patrick Reed, who, you know, I would say over the course of his career has been one of the more controversial guys on the PGA tour. And I've said this forever. one thing that happened when the live and the PGA tour split happened is the PGA tour had too many nice guys they lost all their villains now Bryson is no longer a villain he's a big fan favorite but you need guys like Dennis Rodman and Draymond Green in your league you need Nidama can sue stomping on people's lakes

that is good for business this is entertainment and in an individual sport you only got so many crazy guys John Daly carried the sport for a long period of time you know, and losing Patrick Reed, who what made him so fascinating, he is a really good player. He's not just a major champ. He has one of the best short games in the history of the sport. And he wins this week at Liv, which, listen, I've been fully transparent. I don't put too much in winning and losing these tournaments.

Even John Rom said his top 10 streak forever. It's, you know, it is what it is. He's playing against a smaller field. But this individual tournament was extremely difficult. I mean, Bryce DeCambeau was even through the first two weeks. And Patrick Reed had a three-shot lead going into Sunday. He had shot four and five-under. He was nine under.

He actually didn't play that well on Sunday. Like, if he played like this, we've been talking about Keegan Bradley winning. Like, Kigin Bradley's on the team. I'm sorry, look at our squad. It is not very good. Zander has not had a good year. Obviously, Scotty Sheffler is a stud. Colin Moracawa's just fucking had a bizarre year.

Like, good players. he's obviously a lock. I mean, the spece of the world who's having a kid who's injured, like, sorry. We got talking about like Ben Griffins and Andrew Novax. You're telling me that Patrick Reed

can't be on the team. And the pushback would be like, John, don't you remember last time he was on the team? It was weird. I think we're over that. Because last time we played a Rider Cup, it was all about the vibes.

It was like making sure everyone's friend was on the team. How did that work out for us? Not great. And in this individual tournament, he's literally beating guys who are going to be on the Ryder Cup. Bryson is, you could argue, behind Scotty, the second best player on our team.

I think I would argue that. I would feel more comfortable taking Bryson in that moment than Colin Moracow. And Colin Morcao has been good in the Ryder Cup, but he played for a long time with DJ, and obviously DJ's not going to be on the team. But I would have no problem at least putting him in the discussion. And to me, if he plays well at the open, and if he continues to play well these last couple events at Live, I think it's more than a discussion. Here's the other thing.

Like this is a home event in New York. It is going to be a bunch of young dudes, a bunch of people boozing. It's going to be bananas. The crowd is going to be behind Patrick Reed. Obviously, Bryson changed the narrative a couple years ago. If we were going overseas, I would say it could get a little weird. Hell, Patrick Reed and one of his playing partners just got into it with a fan on Sunday. But I kind of think this team needs a little juice.

We just talked about it with the Tomlin Pittsburgh Steelers trade. Sometimes you need to mix shit up. And I'm sorry, I think we need to mix it up a little bit. Keegan, on the team. Patrick Reed plays well the last couple months. I have no problem bringing him on the team. He just won a tournament because you're like, well, it's going to be a bunch of long rough.

It's a long course at the Ryder Cup. Well, what did he just play? A course with extremely long rough. Where does that benefit him? He's got a great short game. So especially around the green, and he can get up and down. I have no problem entertaining that.

And like, especially based on who else is going to be in the mix. Like, what are we talking about? It is not like we have some story. A couple years ago, it was like, we go like 20 deep as the Americans.

Now it's flipped. It feels like their team goes 20 deep. Like two of the best players on the International Rider Cup team are literally John Rahm and Terrell Haddon. And obviously Terrell Hadden was one shot off at Live, you know, missing the playoffs.

where Patrick Reed ended up winning. But he is going to be a guy that's going to be on that team for a decade plus. John Rom, when it's all sudden done, we'll go down as probably one of the great European players not named Sevi Ballesteros or Sergio Garcia. Like he's going to be one of their better players right there with Rory in the history of the event.

So listen, Bryson's on the team. Now, Bryson's a better player than Patrick Reed. But like to me, Patrick Reed, winning in Dallas, I think he has thrown his hat in the discussion. And here's the other thing. This is an entertainment product.

This is an exhibition, right, during football season. So like back in the day, and I love golf. I mean, I love it. I listen to probably more, I definitely listen to more golf podcasts in golf content than I do football content. I do think back in the heyday of the Ryder Cup, like before the internet,

going up against other sports, was a little different. And obviously the TV element, there is no disputing that, like, when I have it on my TV in a room with, like, three TVs, either on Saturday or Sunday of the fall, it's like,

it's hard for me to give it all my attention when you got fucking the Chiefs playing the bills, or you got Texas playing Georgia. It gets lost in the shuffle. And I do think adding Bryson, adding Patrick Reed, there has to be some sort of element. And I understand Keegan is not factoring in television ratings,

but like from a standpoint point of like, this guy's really good. And he's playing really well. He's also played really well over the course of his career in some big moments. And you can say, John, what about the Ryder Cup? Yeah, it's like, I've seen Jordan Speath have a rough moment to the Ryder Cup. I've seen Rory McElroy cry at the Ryder Cup from playing like crap. Ryder Cup's hard.

Tiger and Phil notoriously aren't like great Ryder Cup players. It's difficult. So, listen, if guys on that team are cool and will vouch for him, and who knows, I have no problem putting Patrick Reed on that team. Because, and listen, I think Patrick Reed being, and I'm not just saying that because they bought ad space, I think Patrick Reed was more interesting than anything that happened at the Rocket Mortgage Classic. Now, in fairness, the Rocket Mortgage Classic is probably one of the worst events on the calendar. When you factor in the field, when you factor in its time of year, you know, you could argue this week, John Deere,

but at least John Deere, like knows its place. Like no one expects, like Morikawa. There's some big names in the Rocket Mortgage. There aren't many big names playing this week. Most people take the week off, go enjoy their families. That was a pretty boring tournament. Now, I give Pot Geeter props for winning it. He was close to winning in Mexico earlier this year.

His ball speed was ranging between like 192 and 196. For those of you, you know, they use this term a lot. I think the average golfer is not on the track man. The first time I've ever been on truly on the track man, was earlier this year when I bought like a little Bushnell contraption. I swing pretty hard, you know, for an amateur golfer. And I, you know, got to swing really, really hard to hit 170.

And listening to people talk about it, like once you get to a certain number, use like 165, 170, gaining a couple miles an hour of ball speed from then on out is really, really difficult to gain. Cruising in the 190s is insane. I mean, this guy blast the ball. He's hitting driver iron like 310. His driver goes like 350. I think there's a lot of question marks with the short game.

But when you hit it that far, you know, I had a wise man tell me years ago. The most overrated thing in golf is putting. Like most people are average to below average putters. And we always say driving ball doesn't matter. No, hitting fairways, if I take a seven handicap or I take a scratch handicap or I take a 15 handicap. and for 90% of the par fours and par fives, I put them in the middle of the fairway

relative to how far you hit it, 250 to 280 to 300, you are going to play dramatically better than if I say, hey, you're going to make some putts, but every single hole I'm going to put you in the trees or where I live in the cactus. It's really difficult to play.

So when you hit it far and you hit it straight, the game gets relatively easier. So props to that kid, he won $1.7 million. It is really, really lucrative to win these golf tournaments now. I saw the list of all the, you know, Scottie Sheffler currently

has made the most money this year. But like every guy in the top 10 just on the course has made like $7 million plus. I mean, it is crazy the amount of money that at the end of the year, all these guys, every guy in the top 10 will be probably $12 million minimum.

And obviously some of these guys are going to be 20 plus and then whoever wins the FedEx, especially if it's Scotty or Rory, will probably be close to like $40 or $50 million. So the amount of money, Patrick Reed just won $4 million. I've said it forever. It's like, it's funny about Florio, doesn't understand why no one cares about the NFL collusion case.

It's because Florio, everyone's getting filthy rich. It's like Kyler Murray got screwed, did he? He's made every penny of his contract. He's banked $150 million. dollars. So like, did he get screwed? Like, I don't see him out on the street. I see that guy printing money. Same thing with golf. Everyone involved in pro golf, you know, people always said it was the best time to ever play was when Tiger was in his prime. And relatively speaking, if you were a guy out on the PJ tour before Tiger got there, the money ballooned. So you went

from winning $500,000 in a golf tournament to win a million dollars. It's a huge difference, especially in 2002 or 2005. But when you're talking about guys that are going to make like solid years might not win a tournament and make $15 million just on the course. I told Colin this the other day like Maria's in this world now. She works for this luxury real estate company that is pretty ingrained with a lot of golfers because one of the main guys that works there, former big time golfer, multiple guys that are ingrained in the PJ tour scene.

They're caddies. They're caddies. And these aren't, you know, Scotty Sheffler's. caddies or you know uh these are i'm not going to put any guy on blasts not i'm not allowed to but it's guys that are way down the money list looking at homes two three four million dollars so it's there's never been a time to be associated with this sport the money is flowing and it's why it's become so competitive it'll be fascinating to watch how this plays out over the next couple years is this sustainable because like should the rocket mortgage be paying 1.7 to the

winter. I'll be fascinated to see the you know the television ratings on that one. I know the PJ Tour has rated really well this season and I get it like the travelers or the players or some of these tournaments but that was the first time I was like yeah it's kind of boring. Like Marie you want to go for a walk? She's like no it's 110 degrees. I'm like yeah good point so I'll watch golf and I watch both the golf tournaments and I do think live for the first time and I'm not

saying this because they are paying. I promise you this I had them both on. I just thought it was more interesting watching Bryson and Patrick Reed play golf than Chris Kirk in Potteneater. Now, again, part of that, if you tell me it was Scotty and Colin Moracawa, I changed my tune. But just for the first time going up against that event, and it's where Liv can like at least enter the conversation where they get a big name guy going up against a shitty event. And the rocket mortgage is now, I would say a pretty low level event. One event that was pretty impressive was I watched the last five holes of Padrake Harrington and Stuart Sink.

Stuart Sink probably could have won this tournament. He missed two birdies on 16 and 17 from within, I don't know, 7, 8 feet. I mean, he stuck it close on 17, and he just pushed it right. And even Patty Harrington admitted, like, I feel pretty fortunate. Sink could have buried one of those bernies. But I noticed, like, the senior open, I found more interesting than the Rocket Mortgage because, like, I've watched Stuart Sink and Pottie Harrington play. Tiger and Phil when I was young.

It was actually really good. Sometimes, again, I'm a golf sicko. Like, I understand. Like, I'm not expecting this to be for the masses. It's like recruiting guy. Like, I love football. I don't get into recruiting. I totally get, if you don't like golf.

I say it all the time. Like, listen, I respect UFC. I don't watch it. But that was a fantastic three or four whole stretch with those two guys. These are two major champions. Stuart Sink a couple years ago, one on the PGA tour, I think twice. I love the body types on the senior tour.

They're all just fucking big. Even guys that Pottie Harrington talks about like he lifts weights. If you ever want to go to a good YouTube channel for just a golf sicko or Instagram, I think Pottie Harrington and Rocco, you just, these guys are golf sickos. Like Peyton Manning with football. They just, they eat, breathe, and sleep it. They love talking about it. They love giving tips.

I think Rocco and Potty Harrington are just two guys. I say this all the time about like the Andy Reed and Belichick generation. I put when I worked for Pat Hill and the same thing. These guys got involved in football back in the 60s or the 70s. There was no money involved or the 80s.

You weren't getting involved to coaching to get rich. Like Rocco and Potty Harrington and Stewart's think when they first got into golf, you weren't going to be flying private jets everywhere unless your name was Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicholas. And now everyone's filthy rich, you know?

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by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I do think with the 4th of July, I'm going to Tahoe and Nevada for 10 days. Got someone, I got to clear out the house. We got someone coming over here to watch the dog and take care of this. It's a big, I say I have a lot of respect. Respects the wrong word. Jealousy. I'm just, I'm legitimately jealous of people that have like their parents live down the

street from them where they can just, it's, it is more difficult to find somewhere where you're comfortable dropping your dog off, uh, or having someone come watch your dog. It's actually a more difficult task than you would think. But when you live in, I don't want to say a foreign land, but an area where you just, you know, I've only been for a couple years. I don't have, and a lot of people leave anyway in the summer because it's 150 degrees. But we'll see. We got a, we got a new person, uh, taking care of her. So we'll see how that goes. But I was thinking about this, because this is just, it's a great drinking week. Fourth of July, as I've gotten older, is easily my favorite holiday.

I mean, I don't even think, honestly, there's not a close second. The only close second would be, and maybe this changes, you know, for those of you with parents, when you have kids, you know, Christmas is really cool giving presents to someone else. But like, in my state right now, Christmas is down on the list. Thanksgiving would be up there, but I always regret how much I eat. Fourth of July, I just never have a bad time, even if I'm not doing it. that much because it always involves a sun, it always involves some water, sometimes some golf. And I think, I was thinking about this. Where does the golf beer or the golf cocktail rank going into this week?

Because listen, there's nothing like the summer playing golf with some friends, having a cocktail in the cart, maybe two, maybe five. And then obviously the beer or cocktail after the round, I think is the best. I do think if you had to go number one overall the ranking, there's nothing like the 4th of July cocktail beer on the lake at the pool by the body of water. That is easily the best. I think that is the best drink of the year. The 4th of July drink by the pool or by the lake. And I'll be by the lake this week.

I can't wait. I would probably put ahead of the golf beer would be the vacation. So if any of you guys that are on vacation this week, or going on vacation. And vacation could just be like not having to work screwing around. You can just have a drink whenever you want. I saw this on Instagram.

It's like 10 a.m. shit, beer me. That's a special feeling. I also think golf you can't incorporate that mindset. So you could argue those two are tied. I'd put the vacation beer above the golf beer, though they would basically be the same thing because I think you can approach it, especially during the summer.

Like if you're ting off at 8 o'clock in the morning on a Friday, on a Saturday, you can get drinks before UTF and don't feel any, and I mean any hesitation doing it, right? You don't, sometimes if you're playing, even if it's new, not this week, but during the week, and you're like, you know, I'm going to play in the morning, but I still got work to do in the afternoon.

Someone's like, hey, should we get some transfusions on whole three? And you look, it's like 8.45 in the morning. You're like, yeah, should I? You can't have hesitation. You have no hesitation this week. This is just an incredible. Incredible week to drink. I mean, it really is.

Before we get out of here, I did want to bang out a couple of your questions from the golf mailbag. So we will start with this. We'll start with Bryce. This is at Golopod. At Golopod is the Instagram

firing those DMs, get your questions answered here on the show. Hey, John. The last five years, I've used my grandfather's clubs because he's physically unable to play anymore. Feel for your grandpa.

They are a good, reliable set, and they're around 20 years old, and I'm saving up for my own set. I currently have one hybrid in my back, and it's one of my favorite clubs. Don't have any woods. What is the difference between a hybrid and a wood? What should I get for my new set? One hybrid, one wood, two hybrids, since I like them so much. I wouldn't consider a hybrid a wood. To me, a hybrid, back when I started playing golf in like the 90s, hybrids did not exist.

so you would get to like a three, a four, three, two iron, those clubs are very difficult to hit. Honestly, once you get to like a six, five iron, these are tough clubs to hit, right? So a hybrid is technically, depending on the loft, it can be a four iron, it can be a three iron,

it can be a two iron, it can operate closer to a five wood, it's just a very, very, I would say, player friendly club. Because a three wood, can be a difficult club to hit. Obviously, the driver,

depending on who you are, is not easy to hit, even with the technology. I would say there is not an easier club to hit than the hybrid, just in terms of a club that you could hit far and flush and somewhat control.

I would say if you like the hybrid, I think Freddie Couples is a guy with a ton of hybrids, you could hybrid up. I mean, you're relatively new to golf. You could do a hybrid version of like a three iron, a hybrid version of a four iron, a hybrid version of a five iron.

You can be shameless. Who cares? Hot take. Kegan is a fine as a playing captain. The importance of the captain the Ryder Cup is overblown. In the end, it comes down to pairing guys together who get along and whose ball matches.

All the planning in the world won't mean shit if the players suck like Sheffler did at the Ryder Cup or the other team shoots low 60s. Rider Cup is not the Super Bowl. Let's talk golf miss. Put for dough, drive for show. is wrong. It's the opposite. I totally agree.

I mean, Brooks Kepka and Scotty Sheffler, obviously Brooks isn't playing well now, but a couple years ago when he played with Scotty, they got beat in like 10 holes. They got, I forget, were they playing, was it Victor Hovlin in Ludwig or Victor Hovlin and Rom? I forget the exact, it was Hovlin and somebody. They beat the living shit out of those two.

Those two have a combined what? Scotty has three majors, Kepka has five. They have eight majors, and they lost like 10 and 8 or something. I mean, it has to be one of the worst losses in the history of the Rider Cup. So I'm completely with you. If your top guys, like, if you bring Ben Griffin and he plays bad, you're going to get smoked. That's why I would entertain bring Patrick Reed over Ben Griffin. I would entertain, you know, like you said, the pairings are very important,

and who's playing well is really, really, really, important. I totally agree from you. Hitting the fairway, unless you are playing some of these PJ tour events, I will take my chances hitting the fairway, then, because how good are you ever going to putt? Like, are most people going to bang out a bunch of 12 footers? No. Even if you're like a, I'm a three handicapped. I actually played my best round of the year. Shot 77 at TPC on Saturday. Three birdies, no big deal. I actually didn't hit the driver that well, but I actually made putts. And I think sometimes, listen, ideally you want to do both.

You want to hit fairways? Now, the thing at TPC, you can spray it a little bit and it's fine. But if I would have played it at a tighter course, I would have been in some trouble. But when I hit fairways, even when I'm putting like shit, I shoot anywhere between 78 and 82. I mean, if I miss every fairway, I'm probably going to shoot 88. Totally agree with you. I had someone tell me this years ago.

Unless you're playing the Masters, driving the ball straight and hitting fairways is much more important than you're not going to be Brad Faxon with a putter in your hand. Are Colin and Rory competing this year to be the softest golfer of the year? Both have been handling the media terribly. It kind of feels like they're both trying to be tough guys

and treat the media like shit, but don't realize how they come off. I'm going to give Rory a little grace in the sense that who knows maybe he's got the divorces back on who knows what's going on I don't even want to speculate but I thought Brandel had a good point

he's like listen if you have a good friend in life that has done everything right treated you well and then starts acting weird for a month you don't just kick him to the curb like Rory for like three years has been pretty important

to the media and golf and handle himself pretty well got a little weird after the matter I'm giving me Lord. Colin's acted weird for a while now. This notion that like Colin, I don't owe you any. Colin, you're not fucking Joe Montana here, buddy. If you disappeared tomorrow, honestly, if Colin Moracawa,

if Rory disappeared tomorrow, we'd have problems. If Colin Moracawa disappeared tomorrow, and I like the guy as a player, no one would care. His importance to the business of golf relative to how much he makes, like if Josh Allen disappeared from the NFL, it would be a problem.

If Lamar Jackson disappeared, it would be a problem. Colin Morcao, unlike the rankings and where he stands from like a status standpoint, is like that. Yet his importance to the business model of the cash that everyone's making, including himself, who's filthy rich, he's kind of irrelevant. He's an irrelevant great player. He's much closer like Patrick Cantlay than he is Rory, Bryson, or Scotty in terms of importance to the business model of the sport. And then when he starts acting like he's running through caddies, like, you know, you would bottled waters at a party.

It's crazy how often he's going through guys. Someone told me last week that they had heard that there was like an incident maybe like the second time. You know, because Max Homa's caddy jumped to Colin, whatever, a couple months ago. And I don't know if it was either their second or third tournament. There was like, they butted heads. And it clearly fractured since.

And now they broke up. firing broke up, quit, who knows the exact term. But like the home Griner thing was clear. Like, it was just time for a split. They were good friends. The Colin, like Colin, can you work with anybody? Like, can you work with anybody? What's your deal, bro?

Like, seriously. What's... You're not like a big enough like a hole to be a villain? You're just kind of in no man's land where people just don't like you. You just kind of turn people off. So I think Moracawa

the situation he just had with Alan Shipnuck, who... I talk some shit about Big Jays, but I also appreciate a good Big J moment. And him and Shipnuck getting into it. I just think that Morikawa feels pretty exhausting right now. So I would say he's in a different... Rory, at the end of the day, Rory's extremely important to the business of golf. Golf needs him more than he needs them at this point.

Morikawa needs golf way more than golf needs him. Promise you that. big fan of both your pods. I know you're big on the top dogs and majors, but wanted to see your opinion change post-J-Spawn winning the U.S. Open. Was Oakmont just an outlier? I know for the most part he's been a mess post-masters, but I think Rory has a big chance at the open,

especially since his home area. I also would love to see Scotty win because it's such a great player. I want him to win a lot of majors and solidify his greatness. I do think there's going to be a couple majors over the course of five, six years, depending on the courses that bring other people in play. Oakmont, they all said, toughest course we've ever played. They called it the toughest and most difficult course in the entire world. So anytime you put people on that scenario, there probably is going to be more variables, right?

Bryson missed the cut. All these guys got ejected. So I thought Bryson was one of the favorites. I bet like $500 on him to top five to top 10 to win, and he didn't even get close to making the cut. So I think anytime you go to a difficult course, which doesn't happen that, we don't see these guys get tested that often,

so you kind of forget. And I think Oakmont, you know, Shinnecock next year, I think falls under that category. Even you could say Pinehurst is difficult, but look who dominated at Pinehurst, all the best players. So I think anytime they go to Oakmont, I think Shinnecock is going to fall into that next year. It might just be like, I don't know, you could take some flyers.

I think at the Masters, the top dogs are going to dominate. I think at the Open is a good example because weather comes into play. You get a lot of variety. Like last year, it was Justin Rose, Billy Horshaw and Zander. I think if the Masters moving forward, it's going to be five, six of the group of ten, right? Scotty, Morcala, Rory, Ludwig, Romig, Rom. You know, it's a group, Zander, if he's healthy. It's a topic of.

Hatton now is an elite player. I watched the Live Dallas Day 3. What an ending. Question, is there anything that the new commissioner with the PGA can model from Live to enhance the viewer experience? The PGA TV experience has become painful. Too many commercials and too many spotlights of sponsors in the booth. Meanwhile, Liv showed the best players and the favorites over and over.

Well, the business models are. a little different, right? I mean, the, the contract with Fox for Live, there aren't many requirements. It's not like a huge lucrative business proposition. The PGA Tour took a ton of money from CBS and NBC. So for them to make their money back, given that one thing unique about the PGA Tour consumer and the same consumer would watch Live too, the golf consumer, same thing, senior U.S. Open. The audience is much as much. smaller than all these other major sports, right? It's a big deal for a PGA tournament

to get what? Five million people is a massive day for a non-major. Three to a half, four million people is a big deal. But that percentage of a consumer, like the NBA final consumer, let's say beside game seven, they were getting

like 8 million people watching. So double a PGA tour event. The PGA tour consumer, their demo is like 50% have, like, they have more money than the NBA or NFL consumer. So while the audience is smaller from an advertiser perspective, you are getting the richest

sports consumer. It's a huge advantage for golf. So, like, they have to find a way to, like, your consumer's unique, but you just, you know, hit them over the head with these ads. It is pretty boring to watch. It's easier for Fox to do the live because the financial situation is different. I also think if you get a huge sponsor, Rocket Mortgage, Wells Fargo, Chevy, whatever, whatever the Coca-Cola, part of the package to get that guy to give you $50 million for the year to be the official bank and then to host a tournament is you got to throw him some bones.

And I think they are big clearly on getting that sit down with Nance during the tournament. it's one thing if it's Tiger and Jacks tournament and those guys are in the booth no one cares but when it's like let's go to the CEO of Barclays like can I just watch scottie sheffler and Rahm hit these shots but I don't think that's going away so I don't know what he does because the television contract was signed before he got there now his job at the NFL was to deal with these contracts so maybe he could I don't know. I don't expect anything to change. In the past three years, I've become a big golf fan, not only playing but watching it.

I heard you and Colin talking the other day about Rory and Kepka and how they have lost motivation. I'm a huge Hovlin fan. He's my favorite golfer since I started watching the sport. He had this to say during the U.S. Open. We'd all like to win. There is also a deep passion in me that I want to hit the shots. I want to stand on the tee and hit the shots that I'm envisioning. Do you think his first major win is in the horizon? And with this mentality of quote unquote hitting the shots, what it can open the floodgates to multiple major wins?

I do think it's a little unfair to, I would say, compare, like, Rory's situation to Hovland in the sense of like, he's one of the best quotes in the sport, but he's obviously chasing, you know, he hasn't won a major. And I think why people root for him is how open he is. You know, that's stuff like Tiger and Phil would say. They're like, I want to be the best. I know when I'm hitting the shots, I'm going to win.

When Hovlin's playing his best, he can beat anybody in the world. I mean, two years ago, he was the best player in the world, essentially at the end of the year when he won the FedEx Cup. I mean, he was fucking dominating. So I would say he's a lock. Do you know where I see Victor Hovlin, his career ending? I don't know how many majors. Like, you convince me he only wins one.

You could convince me he wins four. I think he's going to win a U.S. Open and maybe multiple U.S. Open. I think he's tailor-made for the U.S. Open. I think that's his tournament. He obviously can compete if he's playing well at the Masters and the PGA. But like I envision that guy winning a U.S. Open at a really, really tough track. And I think, listen, it was like a draft class. It was three guys came out of his class that were like, can't miss prospects.

It would be like Cooper Flagg, Trevor Lawrence, and Zionians. Williamson. It was Victor Hovelin, Colin Morikawa, and Matt Wolf. And Matt Wolfe looked like the best version right off the bat, and then clearly fell off a cliff. And Morikawa and Hovlin are high-level players. And I think Hovlin, the difference of Hovlin and

Morikawa is like, Hovlin is likeable. It's just easy to watch Victor Hovlin and go, I'm rooting for this guy. And that's what Morikawa lacks. So I'm with you. I think Hovland I think he's destined to win a major for sure. The Volume. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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