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Episode Date: March 31, 2022

The guys discuss the enduring comedy of the Will Smith/Chris Rock incident, the impending doom that is Duke beating UNC, the nuances of the NBA MVP race, the Lakers dropping out of the playoffs, and the latest with ‘Winning Time’.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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As is dead. As always, Jenkins and Jones is hosted by my good friends, Dragonfly Jones, aka Tyler. Hey, everybody. I have a good. Legerethro Jenkins, aka John, aka Young PJ, aka band from Twitter. A.k.A. Southwest me next time, please. I'm a regular niggins. Thank you very much.

I'll take security, but what's that? Bubbles. I'm Garty B. A.k.a. Mike. And I already mentioned, you know, comedy's dead. R. IP to comedy. Great run from the dawn of the species until Sunday, March 27th, 2020.

But Tyler, we're not allowed to, nothing is funny. Comedians are under assault. We're not allowed to make jokes anymore. No new comedies are allowed to be produced. This is a tough day for our show, I have to say. First, they took my gun. then they took my dog then they took my dog's guns

and then now they're coming for comedy you can't say nothing anymore you can't joke about anything now without being assaulted is this the world we want to live in that's how you dumb motherfuckusk sound look a motherfucker just got slapped okay that's it we'll be just fine

comedy is going just fine I don't know how you can say comedy is that when this is the funniest shit that has happened in a very fucking long time I have been laughing at this shit. This is what, day four? Day four, and it's still fucking hilarious, bro. And usually, like, Twitter jokes, they have a fucking three-hour life cycle.

We've been going for four fucking days here, and this shit is still fucking hilarious. Comedy's just fine, bro. I'll argue the funniest thing that ever happened at the Oscars and the history of the fucking Oscars was that shit on Sunday. You feel me? Like, the fuck you mean.

But, like, dog, this always been a consequence of fucking things to push in the wrong button. You know what I mean? Nothing's changed. Comedy's the same. The world's the same. Some people that just didn't see that shit saw it for the first time, nigga. You saw the reality that most people live in, you feel me? Right, right. That's what I don't get.

People are like, oh, so we're just going to live in a world now where you can get slapped if you make a joke about someone and they don't like it? Oh, bitch, we've been living in that world. What world have you fucking been living in, my nigga? That's the world I've always existed in the fuck. That's the world. Y'all weird. How y' y'all moving shit. And they're

talking about, well, it doesn't happen to comedies. You're a fucking liar. Go do a comedy club fight YouTube search and watch the thousands of results that you get. Comedians get hands put on them all the fucking time. Comedy's just fine. Free speech or whatever bullshit-ass strong man you want to throw out there is just fine, bro.

Free speech has always been there. There's consequences to what you say, though, and that's always been there too. You can say whatever the fuck you want to say. You know what I'm saying? But how that person reacts is not up to you. You feel me? And if that motherfucker wants to slap the shit out of you

and some hard bottoms with their motherfucking ankles out, they can do that too, nigga, and there may be consequences to that, but when you were $250 million, the consequences ain't that bad, my boy, you know what I'm saying? You got some cushion there. You got a little cushion. You got maybe even two cushions with 250 of themims.

You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't know. It's been, to be completely honest with you, the overreactions may be funnier to me than some of the jokes people have been making about it. Judd Apatow says, He could have died. He could have killed Chris Rock.

That has been the funniest commentary about this shit. When everyone is like, Will Smith, how dare you? How could you just do this to this frail, dainty, delicate, porcelain and flower of a man? This poor excuse of a man. How dare you, Will Smith? Like, that's got to be the added insult to injury here. Like, Chris Rock, I snapped the fuck up. And everyone was like, Will, how could you?

You could have killed that little. frail bitch. This was way out of line, Will. You could have committed murder on that bag of bones that you slapped up. Like they're sitting up in smoke. He should have got his leg back. You feel me? If he felt away, he should have got his motherfucking leg back. You feel me? I don't know, gee, but he could

have died. There is literally zero chance of him dying from getting slapped. That's how these motherfuckers are. That's how scared these motherfuckers are of consequences. You know what I'm saying? A consequence can involve death if it's physical. Nigg, he's that the But it's also from white celebrities who think that calling a white person racist is the same as calling a black person the N word.

You know what I mean? It's exactly what you said. It's like any consequence is just like, what? This is unbelievable. It's the end of the world. You know what I mean? I love all the little brother takes because you used to do that with your little brother. Like, hey, my little brother may be small.

He may be a coward. He may be physically frail. He may not have any courage. But nobody talks about my little brother. You know? My little brother might be a bitch, but that's my bitch. But he's my, no one calls my little brother a bitch but me, okay? Hey, low-key-do, you know what I'm saying?

That's how it goes. I also love all of the hypotheticals. Someone tweeted, I think this wasn't one of the joke ones. I think someone seriously tweeted, what if that had been Betty White? No, that was a fact. They said that. He wouldn't have slapped Betty White.

also Betty White wouldn't have said that weak-ass shit, you feel me? There's a whole bunch of what if. That joke was weak as fuck too. A callback to a fucking 1997 Demi Moore movie, bro. Like, come on, man. Like, who the fuck thinking about G.I. Jane, don't? Yeah, I forgot Demi Moore was a thing ever.

You know what I mean? I forgot she even existed, bro. Right, you feel me? The funniest thing about that was a nigga getting slapped because of a G.I.J joke. It was a G. It was a G.J. joke. Yeah, you just wrist it all over a G.

G.J. joke, nigga. You should have said that to your fucking self in the mirror. before you said the weak-ass shit. It's only a G.I. Jane joke, you know what I mean? Nigger, right. That shit was trash, bro. That shit was trash. You deserved to get slapped.

Not because of what you said, but because how weak that motherfucking joke was, big-ass, nigga. Right, boom, nigga. That should have threw tomatoes on your ass, nigger. Where were the tomatoes? Tomato, tomato, tomato.

Right. That nigga challenged you to a duel over how bad the joke was. It was funny. It would have been fine, nigga. Probably. You know what I'm saying? Just be funny.

You weren't funny enough. That's the roof. But yeah, I think friend of the show, Zach Fox, had the best take on it. He posted something on his Instagram story that I'm going to read here. It's perfect. Yeah, it's perfect.

Perfect. Slapping someone is objectively funny. If you're a comic and you get slapped, then you choose and you choose professionalism and appealing to authority over, I don't know, being funny in the moment and maybe, I don't know, telling jokes about it. Well, that's more of an alarming decision

than the person who decides to slap you. We're supposed to lose and make it hilarious. So many people crying about the sanctity of free speech and comedy, but we saw it in peak form. A rich man slapped another rich man and they both went home richer. You can say whatever you want to say, but you can't control how people react to that. Comedians don't get to be in bulletproof class cases.

Everybody in the world can get smacked. Learn how to fight or make it funny. Cat Williams got jumped by actual kids and gave us comedy gold shortly thereafter. Stop pretending like we're Jedi. We make pussy jokes. That was perfect. That was perfect, man.

And I really have been hating the whole comedians are the last truth speakers to power in this country. What is next? We must protect them. Bro. No. No, we don't give up. You're not the fucking avengers, man, okay? Right.

You know, you're not fighting impending doom. I think what we've learned, what we've learned definitively over the last, like, decade is there are no truth tellers to powers in America. It's either you could be funny and entertaining or not, bro. But, like, does anyone have more faith than they did. 10 years ago that journalists or comedians or anyone that we know everything about the like corporate power structure that those people are somehow going to I mean like did George Carlin end Vietnam like like no stand up comedian like Kurt Vonnegut had a quote about that he's like we we feel like as artists we're a laser being focused on a problem and that we're indestructible

because it feels powerful to be a part of a social movement he's like but that the power of that movement is actually the power of a banana cream pie, like hitting someone in the face. You can make it funny, but like, no one, I mean, that's just not the way the world works, bro. And it's such a, it's so weird to be that romanticized about Oscar hosting. I don't know. Zach Fox said, I thought Zach Fox said it perfectly, but people really are. Someone asked a question about this shit at the White House. What is President Biden going to do to protect the community?

He said exact words. He said about the violence that was unleashed. It was a nigger, too. God damn. Bro, that's anti-black, nigga. You feel me? You know, the last thing we have is to slap, nigga. That's the, to balance shit out.

You feel me? We can slap the fire out of motherfucking, you feel me? They just create, it's wild. If this was to happen, like, anywhere else, most other places, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be, It's the fact that they had on fucking suits and hard bottoms. And that shit's not supposed to happen in those white-ass spaces. But even in Europe, in Europe,

like in England, people, like parliamentarians will fight each other on the floor of the fucking House of Parliament. Like, for whatever reason, we have this puritanical, I mean,

I shouldn't say for whatever reason, because it's America and it's fucking Puritans, right? But like, we have this puritanical idea about, like, you know, behavior and everything else. It's like,

England, the politics. politicians fight each other. We don't think we'd be better in America if these dudes will fucking hash this shit out in the House of Representatives every now and then. This is really what shows you what America is when a motherfucker actually gets slapped and it's like, oh my God, violence. You need a fucking gun in your fucking suburban-ass house to feel safe. You are bitchman. I was trying to find another other way to say it, but that's the case. And we see that When you carry guns and you talk tough and all that shit

And when you see a motherfucker actually have to deal with consequences of the actions And they should go to jail for fucking defending their wife Who has a disease and a nigger just said some shit about it Bro, you just, bro, you just, you really ain't what you think you are The reason you need that gun is not because you're tough It's the opposite of that, you feel me? Dog, dog, dog, I got in a, I was in a back and forth with a hockey fan And I didn't realize it was a hockey fan until like a couple of weeks deep

No, no, no, but he's not. But here's the thing. Here's where it fucking ended. I went to his page. I saw, this motherfucker is a hockey fan. And I said, okay, so you're a hockey fan and you are against disputes being resolved by harmless scuffles. How the fuck does that work?

And he didn't tweet shit back to me after that. Oh, boy, evaporated. Like, bro, I don't fucking get it. It was just a slap motherfuckers get slapped all the time. He's just fine. This is not going to be the fucking unraveling of society, bro. Well, not only is he just fine, but Zach Fox is exactly right that they both,

both went home richer that day. Chris Rock sales for his tour up 88%. I love Chris Rock. He's one of my favorite stand-up comedians ever. His HBO special when I was a kid was like, that was the moment everyone had with Eddie, that was the first time I realized like, oh, stand-up comedy is not lame.

You know what I mean? And I was not that excited about this tour. All of a sudden, like, you absolutely can fucking bet Char and I are going to watch that special the first day it's on Netflix. You know what I mean? Like, this was great for Chris. Chris Rock, it's not great for him as a person, maybe, but for him as an artist, which is who got slapped, was Chris Rock, the comedian, got slapped.

Like, this is, I just don't understand the hand ringing over it when it put money in his pocket. Y'all familiar, remember, do the right thing when they were like, you know, who's your favorite artist, who's your favorite, you know what I'm saying, basketball player and all that shit? He's like, he's like, magic. Well, he's black, but he ain't really black. You know what I mean? He's a nigga, but he ain't, you know what I'm saying? Chris Rock is the closest thing they've seen to a white person gets slapped in a white space. You know what I mean?

That makes them feel like they could have been the one up there and got fucking assaulted when it's really just consequences of your actions. So that's why they're up in arms and that shit because they could see themselves in Chris Rock. They couldn't assault themselves in me if I got the shit slapped out of me in a fucking Twitter video. You know what I'm saying? So that's why there's a big-ass reaction. And if it happens to be to them, hey, maybe they'll watch their mouth now. You know what I'm saying?

There's, oh shit, actual consequences is what I say. My God. Dear Lord. The one facing the harshest consequences. so far has been Zoe Kravitz. The Twitter detectives had my magnifying glasses out yesterday for Zoe Kravitz. John, you've missed out on this, which congratulations. Free me, free me.

They're suspending me for saying nigger again. The racist-ass algorithm has struck again. You feel me? Jesus Christ. Anyway. You're missing once again the only enjoyable week on Twitter. I can watch. Oh, you can scroll it.

Okay. I can see it. I can't really participate. You feel me? Bro, bro. It has been this you-palooza on that motherfucker. Anyone coming out

being a cop about this shit? Motherfuggers are pulling receipts. Zoe was like, Zoe said a very white womany thing. That shit, I was like, yeah, this is the white woman coming out of Zoe. She said something. I didn't, this is the dress that I wore to the Oscars

where I didn't know people could get assaulted and get away with it. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, you were just catwoman out of this motherfucker in Gotham being a badass. And now you asked him to speak to the manager and shit. But yeah, motherfuckers pulled the receipts.

She said some, some shit about 14-year-old Jaden Smith back in the day. And it was like, bro, should have sat there and ate your food, as they say, on Twitter. She said that. She has some comments about she doesn't see herself as a black artist. She doesn't identify with, I believe she said, I don't, I don't listen to hip-hop or watch Tyler Perry movies, so I don't really identify with, like. You don't know what being black is. And apparently, based on how you just described that. Right.

I know when you guys invited me on the podcast, I was like, that's great. I need more friends I can talk about Tyler Perry movies and hip hop with. Nothing else. What the last time you said hip hop? Hip hop. Hip hop, hip hop to me was always like,

when we talk about respectability politics, I don't have those hangups racially, obviously, right? But like, I'm a comic book nerd since I was a kid. And comic book fans had a big respectability. politics stuff when they started calling them graphic novels. Right. You know, hip hop was the same thing to me, bro. It's like it's rap in comic books.

You know what I mean? Hip hop is to rap as black is to African American, nigga. I'm not African American. I'm black, nigga. Don't call me an African American. You know what I mean? It's rap, gee. I'm not a hip hop fan.

You know what I mean? I'm a rap fan. Whatever. That's the same shit I'll be on. Yeah. And I want to be clear. I prefer to be called black to be. not like I'm shunning the African part

of that. I'm at all. Yeah, I fully embrace that I have African roots, but I feel that black is something that describes you know, someone with my uniquely African to American, you know, African to America pipeline of my lineage. You know what I'm saying? I feel like black describes that American

experience exactly there. So that's why. I don't like African American because I don't like the American part. I don't feel American, nigga. Right. You know, call me African, nigger. Or call me black. You know what I mean? I don't, I don't, this ain't my home, nigga, I'm just here. You know what I mean?

That's real shit. I would take, I would take way, like, I don't take offense at all, but I would feel way more comfortable. At all, period. Yeah, I would say, I'll feel more comfortable being called like an African-Virginian. You know what I mean? Because that's where my family and my roots and all that shit is where I don't give a fuck about America like that.

I don't even claim Missouri, nigga. Like I said, I'm from St. Louis USA. So call me a African-St. Louisson. You feel me? Hey, I'll fuck with that. But, yeah, African-American feels like, you know, I can't curse around. you if you call me an African-American. You know what I mean? If you're talking hip hopist instead of rap, it feels a particular way. You know what I mean? So she sounded like somebody

that's observing blackness and not participating in it. So she's right. She doesn't identify as black. We see it. Good for you, I guess. All right. One thing I've been very grateful to Will Smith for is that he has enormously eased my tension about the upcoming Duke UNC shit show that Duke is going to win by 20 points. As I state, when we were recording last weekend before we, before we knew it was going to happen, UNC is going to win that game. And I feel like Duke is going to win this game going away.

I fucking hate it. Tyler had the tweet of the week for me with his, can we please stop the, you're always going to appreciate that Coach K made you feel something. You know, I'm not even Coach K, like, no, we don't have to appreciate Coach K. We don't have to appreciate Duke. We can just be miserable that they're going to win,

and then they're going to fucking get. get Nova for the championship because we know that that's what's going to happen. Yeah, I'm, I don't know, man. I will say that I'm not as stressed as I feel like I should be as a Carolina fan right now. Maybe, maybe it's because, like I said, Coach Kay, you know, even though he was the villain the back, he never evoked any emotion out of me because he was just so fucking bland, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? There was nothing outrageous or exuberant about him to hate.

He was just a grumpy old man, and it's like, it's time for your old ass to goddamn right off into the sunset, bro. we don't care. I'm not solding them losing. I don't know if UNC's going to lose. It's the pressure. It's a lot of pressure for those due players. I mean,

you coming out like Super Amp doesn't guarantee it win. It might be the other way around, bro. UNC might be more comfortable and just ready to play. You know, just, you know, so like, I don't think when it comes to like 18, 19, 20 year old kids, pressure is ever a benefit.

You know what I'm saying? So I don't know that I would agree about, I mean, I think that there's a lot of pressure on the UNC kids, though, too. You know what I mean? You think so? Yeah, because I think anytime there's a rematch You won the first one

To lose though, you know what I mean? Anytime there's a rematch that you won the first one I feel like there's a certain kind of pressure on you That's like, well, now the stage is bigger, right? Like, can you do it now when it really, really counts? Like, I feel like that's its own animal, especially when it's your rival And you know how much it meant to your fan base

That you beat them at Duke for his last game at home. You know what I mean? According to media, though, they're supposed to lose. According to media, they want Coach K to win. Right. You know what I mean? So they're trying to upset somebody. I think there's less pressure and upsetting somebody.

When you, when you, a good team, obviously. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like what St. Peters would have to do to upset, you know, like Kentucky was insane. Right. To upset U.C. in that moment was insane. I don't think it's, this is that insane of them winning.

But I feel like those players feel like on the Duke side, we can't lose. And going into a game saying, we can't lose, you know what I'm saying? It's way more pressure than we have a chance to winning guys. Right. Let's shock the world. You feel what I'm saying?

It could be. I mean, I hope so, to be honest with you. I just, I would, it would be the fun. It would be the funniest thing if USC wins, I guess. Oh, bro. And Will Smith slapping the USC winning, nigga. That's a week. It's 2014 right this motherfucker.

You feel me? There's some good old laughs going on, you know what I mean? That coach K-pack will be, uh, Hey, definitely smoke. I light some more mix it with some blue dream. You know what I mean? Cut that blue dream with some Coach K. I think that Villanova, Kansas game is going to be interesting, too.

It is definitely fucking Blue Blood Final Four. You get Duke, UNC, and Kansas in that shit. You know, that's something. Kansas doesn't really, Kansas to me is like what Tyler was saying about Coach K. I just, I've driven across the length of Kansas twice. It didn't evoke any emotions in me during that entire time. Basketball team. You're talking about the state?

bro it's just corn it's not even corn bro I remember driving through middle America I guess I mean I guess Missouri considered middle of middle America too but I remember driving

Missouri's beautiful though Missouri's beautiful though yeah yeah yeah but I'm saying consider it middle America right I don't know what is that that's more west of Midwest is that just the West what Kansas is that

Kansas it's a Midwest to me because I actually live on the West Coast but it looks totally different from Yes it's just there it's the same shit the entire or ride. You know what I mean? It's the same shit. I think Nebraska was where it was all the corn was at. Nebraska, there was a lot of corn and it's like, you know, at least there's something to look at

corn. It's just better than the ground. I felt like it was in a simulation of like, you know, the same scene was running by me the whole time. You're like an old cartoon. You're an old cartoon. I'm on the green screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, scroll on the same scene. That's how I felt in Kansas. The women's tournament got really good in the elite eight that that that's that you con. Carolina game was incredible. Unfortunately, Yukon win. I'm a big Gino hater.

So it's, excuse me, not South Carolina, but the double overtime winning the elite eight was crazy. I hate that they give fucking Yukon as a two seed, a fucking home game for the fucking

Sweet 16 Elite eight. I understand the narrative is the narrative and all that shit, but 14th straight final fours for Yukon. I always tell people my greatest sign of respect for the women's game is that I hate people in the women's game. Like you like I don't want to be good enough to this that's right I don't watch women's basketball as this I watch it because I enjoy it and as such there are coaches and players that I strongly dislike I will always root against gino I will always root against you con people playing against anyone who came out of Tennessee or candace parker or anyone but this feels similarly Yukon is the the upset special as the only two seed joining the three other one seeds in the women's final four and uh I don't

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I just love... I hate that she plays for Yukon John. Her junior year in high school, bro, I'm like, this motherfucker got that. Whatever that is and that it is, bro, she got all love it, bro. She, I mean, she understands a game on a different level. And watching her play as a junior, I'm like, she's a pro already. Is she played for Louisville or UCLA?

my kids would have page jerseys. And I just hate that she went to, I hate this you went to, you go. Could you imagine a page beckers jersey? But I mean, like, that's, that's, that's, that's what's, that's what's interesting about like the women's game, like, you hate you kind. Like, Duke players, a lot of times you don't like them even if after they leave. I know, I know, I see a lot of hate after they leave.

Like, still, fuck them, you what to Duke. Will you con players, you know what I'm saying? You, I mean, you can respect the player once they're professional. You know what I mean? Usually, yeah, for sure. Yep. Well, I mean, who on Yukon do you not like? they're playing for Yukon.

I know you ain't going to say white mama because she a dog. And it was hard not to like her when she was at Yukon. And I grew up and I was in Tennessee at the time. It's a, it's some personal stuff that goes back to high school that I probably shouldn't talk about on the podcast. Okay. We'll wait. All right.

Sorry, guys. I'll tell you all up here. Not even going to get cut. He's not even going to say this shit. Can't even fight them not to cut that shit. Well, I don't want people knowing. Someone went from a high school that we don't appreciate here in Long Beach to a college that we don't appreciate.

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Bucks Sixers game. I dislike strongly the way we do the MVP race in the NBA. We've talked about this on the show that it's so like only certain people are allowed to be in the conversation and we get tired of giving the award to people. I'll just say this. I watch the Bucks Sixers game in Philly and Janice is the best fucking basketball player in the NBA. He was an MVP and

also this year probably the most improved player. He's added so much to his game and gained so much confidence in the things he's added. That dude's fucking nasty, bro. And I think at the end of this year, we're all going to be looking back going it's dumb that the Bucks were not

the overwhelming favorite for this year. That's the way I feel about it, bro. I think that this is their fucking year. And I think we're in their era right now, to be completely honest with you. Yeah, it's kind of like a lot of people feel like no one has really differentiated themselves in this MVP race.

And if that's how your stance, what, you honest have, what, 40 and 11 last night and the game winning block at the Cup on Embed? And you're not surprised by it. On the other, yeah, right, right, exactly. So, I mean, if you've got, you know, everybody in like a, deadlock right now you've got to

fucking have Janus in the lead after after that performance because he showed you why he's so valuable he gave you 40 and 11 and a fucking game winning block on a fucking seven foot MVP candidate right helps so I mean a rotational block yeah so I mean like I've been saying for for a few months that Janus is my MVP and I

that's where I have no one has swayed me all for that this season best player on the best team watching them play live was insane that is the best team in basketball. You know what I'm saying? So obviously, I, you know, I love Katie.

I love the Nets. I love Karee. The team ain't fucking with the bucks. The bucks are the coldest team out there. We'll see what happens. You know what I mean? But Janus, if you say there's anybody else better than him in the league right now, you're just lying to yourself.

You know, you need medicine. You know to the doctor? Get checked up. Something's going on right now. Check, you know what I'm saying? You deserve better. Yeah. This is not normal.

He's incredible. And I was talking to Jackson, before you guys hopped on, I don't know if it's because he's so likable or if it's because he's not American or what, like he doesn't fit into a lot of the narratives that we've had with. He doesn't have a natural foil, I guess,

but it just feels like the narrative overlooks him in a weird way of, I think there's a very realistic chance that by the time this dude retires, he's right up there with anyone else we could talk about. I mean, he just does shit. You've not seen. anyone else do and he's still at this point in his career adding completely new dimensions to his game

you don't feel like he's going to stop working on stuff like that you know even even brawn like brawn's the ultimate master of getting the most out of his body he knew at this point in his career you feel like he knew the things he was good at you know what i mean he wasn't so i i don't know man i i just i'm not trying to overreact to one game but it is i mean i'm very interested to see where the playoffs go because i feel like nick right says that last night, he doesn't think they're playing six games until the Eastern, until the finals, I think he said. I don't know if I go that far, but I don't know.

I just don't see anyone fucking with those dudes. Everyone on the team knows what they're good at. You know what I mean? And they stick to it. They stick to it. They know they roles, you feel me? We're going to continue. It gets harder by the week to unappreciate Yokic and I'm going to continue to

fucking do it. So whatever. I mean, the thing is like this. I think this was honest, bro. It's the same thing with Bronn, bro. Brom came in Superpolis. Who didn't have as much to work on, right? But Brian was like, dog,

Brian's supposed to do this. That's what we all thought at some point. Like we see amazing shit and we just thought it should think it's normal. Like the fact that he's leading the league in scoring right now, like it doesn't feel as crazy as it really fucking is. Right. Because it's fucking Brian.

Because they told us when he was 17 he was going to do this shit. Right. We've been seeing him dribble once from, you know, once and a euro from fucking three quarters court and get to the bucket. We've seen this amazing block. So him blocking him B doesn't feel as. amazing as it actually is because it's Janus. He's supposed to do that.

Right. So, yeah. When Bronnan, at the age that Braun was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as the chosen one, Yonnes was like practically homeless selling watches with his mom. You know what I mean? It's just, it's just, I do think that's part of it is in America, you know, and it's, it's corporate, right? I mean, like, having seen it firsthand, the corporate interests know who, know who the dues

are when they're fucking 15. before the colleges and the pro teams do sometimes. But it's like a, if not an assembly line, it is like ranks. Like you know right now you go look at the rankings for fucking eighth grade, ninth grade players and you can kind of progress. Like Chet Holmgren's been Chet Holmgren since he was, had just come out of puberty. You know what I mean?

So those names are around and then a Janus comes through and like, I don't know. I just don't think he fits into that, that like narrative we have of, oh, it's going to be this guy versus this guy for the next 15 years. You know what I mean? So we'll see. I'm very excited for the fucking playoffs.

So I'll say that, man. I cannot wait. It's going to be a humdinger. It's going to be a real humdinger. The Lakers aren't going to be there. The Lakers will not be there. Right, right. But they're down one and a half to San Antonio now?

I think they're tied, but don't have the tiebreaker. But the Lakers schedule over the last two weeks is not the schedule that you would want for a team that, you know, it just doesn't look like that. have it, bro. I don't know. Not good and not healthy. You know what I'm saying? What everybody thought they were going to be on the hell side? They were that and they weren't as good. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. So the experiment didn't work, guys. It's a rapparooski. That, that, that AD, Westbrook, pick and roll, wasn't picking rolling like it was supposed to. You feel me? You win this round, but Jonathan. I won the bucks. I said the bucks is going to win the chip last time. I said the Nets this year. I'm going to take that L. I'm going to say. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm

squatting on that, but I said the bucks were going to win the championship, I think, in our preview. I'm going to just continue to sit coaching by that fire. But I did also think the Lakers were coming out of the West. I mean, I thought they'd figure it out because of Braun. That's the thing. Like, we thought Braun could just out Bronn, whatever, you know what I'm saying? Because I didn't think Westbrook was the best fit. I didn't think I would be a fan of him on my team.

You know what I mean? But I thought Bronn would be able to Bronn. And he has, but the team has not. The team has done what they, you know, they haven't done the minimum, you know what I mean, that it takes for, you know, Brown to even do his thing. So let's talk about the investigative journalism, uh, that happened on Twitter where someone pointed out, they went and looked at every L graphic that the Lakers have tweeted. You know, you tweet the final score and it's got a picture on it. They said that Braun has not yet appeared in one of those graphics. I saw that.

I think Malik. Got a shout out. Can he beat him? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Can he beat you. Got a shout them up. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Braun, Russ, or AD have not appeared in any losing graphics until last night after the heat came down on them from this investigative journalism. They put Russ on the losing graphic.

Did y'all see that? Yes, I did. I was, I got it. I got it. That's why I wanted to bring it up. I got a good laugh at it. He, can he, he flipped it on the Lakers social team. But I wouldn't be.

I bet he was hot too. I bet he was hot with that. Well, but he said he wonders if it's in bronze contract. That's, that's legitimate. a possibility. I know with... Oh, yeah. As someone is image conscious as Brian, I would not be surprised at all if that's a contract. Well, and, you know, I don't know much about the way it works in the pros, but I know at the collegiate level, teams, like, when a corporation sponsors, you know,

sponsors a team, a lot of times you'll see the, like, final tweet presented by Mitchell and Tires or whatever. A lot of colleges, they do have that agreement in place with the corporations. The corporations are like, don't put our name on the loss, on the loss graph. You know what I mean? Y'all get dubbed. Please don't put us on here. That's in the legal language. In some cases, if you lose by a certain number of points, leave us out of that.

Jabba Juice does not want our ad on that. Right. Leave your stench of failure off of us. This shit's weird, bro. Everything about the sports world, it's like the more all that stuff is split up and commoditize. It's just so fucking. Imagine being a lawyer sitting there going, what's the number that we don't want to be associated with in terms of an L? Okay, we do have to talk about Braun,

the most relatable moment of his recent career going on Instagram and absolutely annoying the shit out of his wife. I think all three of us can relate to this moment that happened. John, can you break that down what happened on Braun's Instagram? No, let Tyler break it down because I think Tyler's a different perspective. I remember you were talking about how you felt about it. You thought he was annoying his wife. I thought he was just being.

I thought he was being corny, but I think Tyler's correct that he was intentionally annoying as well. I think he was, he was intentionally doing the cool guy act who's, you know, purposely being corny with it. You know what I mean? Because that's, that is my go-to with my wife, too. You know what I mean? Like, annoying my wife is a love language of mine.

You know, it's a love language of ours. So, yeah, I don't think he was serious because, for one, he put that font in script. He put a fucking key emoji. He did the slow pan and then did the cheesy guy's smile. And I think he was clowning, bro. Have y'all seen? Tyler, I mean, have y'all seen LeBron's IG? His captions are always horrible.

But Sam, no, no, but Tyler, Tyler, you're comparing him to you. You're funny. You know what I'm saying? You're funny. You know what I mean? You've always been funny. Braun's never been funny. All of a sudden, he's funny now.

I think he was being him. He's always funny being the corny dude with his family, though. He's funny accidentally, and this is him being accidentally funny again. This thing is the difference between a player and a player. That's some brown-ass shit, and you know he's my favorite player of all time. I love him to death. I've slobbed him down for fucking after his entire career. I've loved the man.

But gee, the dude is not funny, and he was just being himself. But you can't tell you can't compare him to you at all. Of course you're doing that shit, bro. You know what I mean? He panned back. Did you see Savannah laugh? Yeah, but that's what I'm saying? He panned back to Savannah for the reaction.

He was for sure trying to get a reaction at him. And what was her reaction? Her reaction was wrong. So, Van had the, oh, my God, not this again reaction, though, that my wife has when I'm being, you know, intentionally annoying. You know what I mean? Okay, I guess, I guess. Rather be laughing at me.

She'd be laughing. I get an actual laugh when I'm trying to be funny. Well, yes, but when you're trying to be annoying. Yeah, for sure. You get those, exactly. You know what I'm saying? So obviously. So that niggas, she was looking like this nigger.

You know what I mean? I think that was too close to a this nigger, not a him doing it again. That was a, oh, no. bro. It looked like a, all right, Brian, put the camera down. You jump. It's too much Vino. That's what it looked like to me. But all right. It was funny either way. I don't care. I love the man. And I love what they got going on. For sure. And I love him leaning into being a corny dad that his family laughs at. That's, you know, the world needs more. It's good. It's good to go home. You're LeBron James. When you walk outside your door for your whole life.

And when you walk back home, you're the annoying ass dad. I think everyone needs that balance. You know, Who's at the statute. It's the one thing he's regular at. You know what I mean? He's a great dad, but he's regular to his people. You know what I'm saying? And that's, and that's fire. I remember just watching the first time he put one of the Taco Tuesday clips up being like, oh, Bronn thinks he's Mike Gardapacio.

He's just being stupid. He's just being stupid to his kids for laughs. Right. But, hey, but did you see, did you see, uh, Brody when they asked him to do it? Brony was like, all right. Ad, he was like, I guess I'm just happy to be here. I'll do it. But Brody was like, dad.

Like they know they day. He's square when it comes to that. And that's good for him, man. Good for him. For sure. Good for him. All right. And I'm wrong with it.

Tyler and I are going to talk about winning time. John was on a, on a, John was on the PJ. So he didn't get a chance to catch the winning time from this week yet. I don't want to. I think if you are at a particular level and you want to spend your money that way, I get it, bro. But I'm so fucking. I'm a basic bitch. I like basic shit.

You know what I'm saying? That little ass plane, you feel me like I'm too scary for all that, G. Put me on this, like I said, Southwest, your boy, man. Send me through security. I take my shoes off, all of that. I appreciate. I'm the PJ shit.

I'm glad you said that because now I know that I don't need to try it. You know what I mean? Like, okay, Tyler? Tyler, Tyler would love the shit. Tyler, cool. Tyler going to be like shit. You're fucking security. I'm hopping in this bitch.

You know what I'm saying? I'll catch y' all in Vegas. Me? I'm like, oh, shit. I can't enjoy the shit like I should. So, you know, put me in the regular boy, baby. Catch me on row 15. You know what I mean?

I'll see, please. Thank you. You know what I mean? It was a great pick for IG though. You know, it was cool throwing the L's up with the St. Louis pin it on for the crib, you feel me? But yeah, I'm a regular nigger. Let me just do my regular nigger shit, please. Tyler, this was, I think we got one of the last introductions of the main character with Jason Segal coming in as Paul Westhead, who I thought,

was fucking hilarious. But more importantly, you you keyed in on I thought the best moment of this show, which was the very Adam McKay-styled soliloquy about the difference between old basketball and new basketball, at least as far as, you know, it was for the Lakers in the 70s and 80s. Yeah, yeah. That shit was beautiful. That soliloquy that Jack McKinney had about how traditional half-court offenses are classical music and full-court fast break offenses are jazz, where, you know, it's improvising this. There's no, there's nothing bounding you. You can go wherever, you know, you, you know, the feeling takes you.

And you can make art out of that. I thought that was fucking beautiful. I ran that shit back like five times. Yes, I was high, but that has nothing to do with that. Because I thought that shit was amazing. That is probably like my favorite segment in the whole series so far. Yeah, and just a little like visual cue of the lines coming off the paper. Like, I think they're doing a great job of capturing whatever kind of creative person you are,

if you're a basketball coach or musician or a writer. Everyone's experienced that feeling of, I'm working on something that just, it just became bigger than the thing I'm looking at. You know what I mean? And I thought that, I thought they showed the soliloquo is beautiful, but graphically the way they did it was beautiful too.

And then I just love that the show is involved enough to tell the story about how much everyone hated that shit. When he first started putting it in in the training camp, that was so perfect to me. Because can you imagine someone's like you're Kareem, bro. Everything you've done, you're the bet like you've had an impeccable career to this point. You've won at every level. You've been so good.

They've changed rules to try and make the shit harder for you. And then this dude comes in and says, you're not running enough, bro. Right. You're standing still. You're slowing the ball down too much. Like I, you know, you can imagine where the tension would have come at on that shit. Yeah. Like you're asking fucking Kareem, you know what I'm saying?

in early 30s, Kareem, yo, there's going to be times you're going to have to get out there and run on the fast break and you're going to be the guy to give it back on the give and go. Like, you know, like, how do you tell fucking Kareem that?

You know what I mean? So, yeah, yeah, they definitely did a good job in showing, you know, how much the pushback was there, which I imagine it was because, you know, like we've talked about before, like, you know,

that the fast break, full court transition offense, that was groundbreaking at the time. And it's standard fair now, of course. But back then, I'm sure they were like, this is ridiculous. This is not going to work.

You know what I mean? You want us to run the whole fucking game all fucking every fucking game all season. That's not going to work. We're going to drop dead out here. And you know what I can see when that was first being implemented, those being real concerns. But of course we know how the Showtime Lakers stories end. They get five rings playing that style of basketball. So of course it obviously worked.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it did. But it always seems inevitable after it works. Right. Yeah. You know, it's like, oh, magic is a six foot eight point guard. Absolutely.

Well, obviously. But that's because we saw it work. Of course, at the time, you can see a coach saying, I don't know, maybe he should play the four, you know? I did love the moment from Magic where he got into the fight at training camp. He said, I might be a rookie, but I'm not a bitch. Real one. John just became very intrigued in watching this episode.

Oh, bro, yeah. We're going to have to watch that tonight, dog. Hey, man, that touched me in my soul. feel? Well, that's what we were talking about with Chris Rock and the professionalism. It was like, we needed that moment from magic because you know that at some point he goes from being the, you know, small town, you know, big smile dude to at least a little bit of a killer.

You know what I mean? And so we needed to see that from more than just him beating up on Cookies' fucking boyfriend who worked at the shoe store. Did that man, dirty? I hope he eyed out there wherever you are, man. They shouldn't even. They didn't have to highlight that. We need a where are they now.

We need a where are they now featured. Where is men? You know, he's still at the shoe store probably. Hopefully he owned that motherfucker though. All right. That's all the time we got, we've got for this episode of Jenkins and Jones. We'll be back on Monday.

Playoffs are right around the corner. Final four is coming up. Lots of fun basketball shit to talk about. I can't wait for this playoffs, man. I cannot fuck. Good time of year, man. Good time a year. We got a lot to talk about for show.

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