The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jenkins and Jonez - LeBron and His Foot Are Back

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

The guys discuss LeBron James, the LeBron James of feet, the Dallas Mavericks imploding, the interesting Jaylen Brown situation, ghost kitchens, Jonathan Majors, and more. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on the volume podcast network. We are recording live. Hey, we're just getting ready for the playoffs. We're switching the schedule up a little bit. It's not a crime to get ready. Is it a crime to get ready for the playoffs? I don't think so. It's about to be the most wonderful time of the year.

Got to get in the spirit. Yeah. Shit, no jury in the world will convict us of getting ready for the playoffs, switching the recording schedule up a little bit. Sunday nights, live on Amazon AMP is Monday. It's Sunday, March 26th. If you're listening to this, not on the live, it's Monday, March 27th. Most like, I guess, shit, maybe you're listening to it two years from now.

I don't know. Jesus. Ain't tell you. I hope not, bro. Maybe. Yeah. This, not the episode. We're going to grown so much.

Like us two years ago. was not this podcast you know what I mean true that's true that's true we'll probably keep growing and evolving you know yeah that voice you hear is the dulcet tones of legetro jenkins aka john make me sound so sweet i like that what does that even mean i don't know what it means it just sounded good dulcet yeah yeah it means you have a caramel voice it means you have like a ooh like it sounds it means you sound like a jazz saxophone oh wow that's a lie but i'll take it was that Bubbas. Very dulcim of me, right?

And the other voice you hear is the smoky soprano of Dragonfly Jones, aka Tyler. Hey, everybody. I'm the good. I'm Garty V, aka Mike. Mother fucking Mike. Gangland Garty. Really excited to be talking to you guys on a Sunday night, you know, switch things up, getting ready for the playoffs, like we said, doing it big here in the Jenkins and Jones factory.

Shut up. What is happening? Let's go. Let's talk about LeBron James is back after a month out with a foot injury. He said, and I quote, multiple doctors told him he had to have season-ending foot surgery. I don't love hearing that because I feel like that was probably accurate. That's what he needed to do.

But he saved the season. He said that after consulting with, quote, the LeBron James of Feet. LeBron James is back. Gentlemen, has there ever been a funnier sentence uttered in the English language than LeBron James saying he consulted the LeBron James of Feet to get cleared to return to playing basketball? That quote made me so uncomfortable, dog.

The LeBron James of Feet, like, listen, you got to understand, man. Like, feet dudes are different. different dudes, right? Like, I don't think surgeon, I don't think surgeon when you talk about a dude who's a fucking foot fanatic, right? Like, no, it made me feel uncomfortable. It didn't take me to think that this dude is a world-class surgeon. It made me think of like the creepiest motherfuckers on the internet, like the reply guys

in the fucking only fan girl's fucking Twitter accounts. That's what it made me think about. If he would have said the LeBron James of what, podiatry or injuries or something like that, it would have. That's not what he said, though. But he said the LeBron James of look left, look right, feet. He even felt uncomfortable when feet came out of his mouth. You know what I mean?

He's like, maybe I went too far, but he was too far to go back. You know what I mean? If you're that podiatrist, you've got to have that printed on a fucking billboard above your practice, right? The LeBron James of Feet. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, before the feet. Not after. The ellipsis has to go before and not after. Didn't he go to Germany?

Was that substantiated? Was that verified? He was fully on his Mamba mentality that Kobe famously would go get his knee. Kobe got that goddamn adamantium. You feel me? He had the same surgeon that got damn put Wolverine through fucking Weapon X, Project X, whatever. Well, fucking, yeah, yeah, Kobe made himself very susceptible to Magneto, bro. Absolutely.

your jump shot's wicked but magneto can pick you up by that knee and twirl you around like a towel um yeah so like i'm happy to hear that lebron is back i did see someone said he went to germany and got the winter soldier serum injected into his foot probably not far off the truth um i'm happy to see him back obviously wish that the lakers would have won but uh but Let's talk about it. We've been a little bit perverted in the group chat talking about the Lakers chances. Grie nasty. You get Delo back.

You get a healthy run. Let's not be reasonable. What's the ceiling for a healthy Lakers team this season, gentlemen? A championship. And I don't even think I'm being stupid. Like, you know, I've said this before. I think that, you know, at any given time in the NBA, there's only like four or five guys who can, who are good enough to lead you to a championship. I don't think Brown's the best play in the world anymore, but I still think he's on that tier of

guys who can lead you to a championship. So, yeah, if, you know, he looked good tonight. I think he had, what, 19 and 10. You know, he was, what I was really looking for was like, you know, the change of direction, you know, how good was he going to be on stopping on the dime or change direction? He looked pretty good with that. So, you know, yeah, so, you know, this was one of those frustrating games. It was one of those goddamn carrot on the string on the stick the whole fucking time where

the Bulls just had to lead the whole game. The Lakers could never close. So it was one of those frustrating-ass games. But Brown looked good. So, you know, that L sucked, especially when every fucking win matters at this stretch. But, you know, I think that they can pull it out. I think they can squeak in. If they squeak in, who the fuck knows?

Bro, we got LeBron and AD. We got good guard defense, which is hard as fuck to find in the NBA. You know what I mean? We have shooters. We got guys can get fucking buckets on their own that aren't LeBron and AD. Nigger. And we, the bench is not bad. You know what I'm saying?

My nigga. Chip me, please. Nigga, I haven't died. bro, I told Mike put it in the group chat today. I'm like, nigga, I've been there. I just didn't want to say that. You know, bro, you know I love to believe a lot, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

Give me a reason to watch these games. God damn right, nigga. I think give me chip time. That's the, you know, the high. But I think like, bro, it's not shocking at all for them to make it out the West. I'm not afraid of anybody in the West. You know what I'm saying? Whoever comes up the East, that decides.

Like I said, I think the Celts, we could beat them. Sorry, Jackson. I hate it. You know, I'm a Tatum fan. I mean, you know, I love Tatum being for St. Louis, but I think they, I think they fool, you know what I'm saying, when they come to the Lakers. But, you know, Janice, if they make it out, bro, it's going to be, that's going to be a hard six games that ain't going to go on the Lakers away. I was about to say, it's a hard six games. Yeah, for the bucks.

Congratulations, Janice. Yeah, that would be fun, though. And I do feel like the NBA, you know, there's so much, you know, if you're a glass half full, you say there's so much parity in the NBA that you should. year. If your glass half empty, you say the NBA is, you know, it's the worst Western conference we've ever seen, you know, pick one. I say there's a lot of parity. I'll say to say. But what the league needs in a year with a lot of parity is they need a true superstar matchup in the finals. And I'm sure that everyone in the NBA head office is rooting for that. You need that. We never got it, right? The Braun, Kobe finals. We need that like Janus versus Braun, Janus versus Yokic,

Tatum versus Yoh- Like we need some, you know, some Embed versus Yokish. Like you need something that's like you can stamp some faces on this next couple years in the NBA. So I'll be curious to see what's going to happen. You know who it doesn't look like

is going to be there as the Dallas Mavericks who have gone from saying that the referees cost of a game to looking like a lottery team who played their cards wrong. It should have been trying to tank to set up set up Luca with with Wembe. But this has been really fascinating

to watch happen, man. You had Jason Kidd on television the other night saying that they were quote dog shit, which is something I say, not an NBA coach. Usually says, I love calling people dog shit. This is the coach of the team saying his dog shit, saying we talked before the game about how much the game mattered and we came out and no one cared at all, you know?

So what do you guys think of the Mavs implosion? I actually think Kyrie's getting maybe more of the blame than he deserves here. Kind of seems like Luke has got something going on, maybe not being happy with being there or with the moves that Mavs made. I don't know. But what do you guys think of their total implosion down the stretch here? I for sure think that, you know, the piling on on Kyrie is unfair. I don't think this is Kyrie's fault.

But I do think this is the fallout from that Kyrie trade. You know, they lost depth. They lost playmaking when they made that trade. Size, defense. Yeah, right, right? So I don't think it's, it's, on Kyrie. Karee's been doing what's been asked of him on the basketball court.

But I do think that you can, you know, point the finger at the front office. But at the same time, I don't know what what's going on with the inner workings of that organization. When you got a guy like Luke, a guy who you have just notoriously not been able to get him help for, you know, in this very young part of his career. And you have Kyrie on the table. Like, I don't know how you don't pull that trigger to show that you are dedicated to, you know, helping your franchise player, especially when you know that, you know,

he um you know contract you know renegotiations coming up in a couple seasons and then shit like this is gonna you know way heavy so i honestly don't know if you can really even fault the front office for making that trade but at the same time it's because of that trade right so yeah the trade was the right decision you have to get kairi in that situation but they gave away the things that would allow them to win with kairi you know they were just in a hard difficult situation you know what i'm saying like they have kairi and luka and that's it they have two very ball dominant guards, and that's it. You know what I mean?

They gave away their size. They're a very small team. They have no defense. They can't stop anybody. Those are two really good players, but not two really good players that can win together. And we're seeing that. You know what I'm saying? With just them.

You know what I mean? So, like, I mean, it doesn't, I'm not too shot looking at it. I was wondering if it was going to work out being that they gave way a lot of important pieces, winning pieces. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's, it's been fun on the offensive side. I've seen a lot of cool Instagram clips that I've posted of Kyrie and Luca

doing really pretty things, but it hasn't equated to dubs. So, yeah, man, like, it's, I mean, it's not shocking. How long until Luca's a Laker, Jackson, when is his, when does he, when does he become available? I think it's available 20, 25, I think. Sounds good to me. Sounds good to me.

Sounds good to him, ma. I got a couple of those Photoshop saved already, so I'm, I'm fully The answer is He has a He's under contract with the Dallas Mavericks Through the 2025-20206 season

You got to demand a trade then Luca You have a player option Then he's a player option Okay we gotta do we got to demand a trade before then Luca you gotta be on the same team as Bron Yeah because that one will happen Brom Brown I'll show you all the good hookah spots are in L.A You know

We'll be All the all the the LeBron James of feet. You know what I mean? He'll show you where the LeBron James of hookah is. That statement stunk. It stunk. I smelled it.

It was a nasty statement. The LeBron James of feet like. Come on, man. Come on, I have a friend who's a foot guy. He posted a meme a couple years ago that he still gets made fun of to this day where it was like some guys like breasts and some guys like asses. Like, why not some guys

like feet? And everyone was like, because they're fucking feet, bro. It's not the same. What are you talking about? I mean, like, I like feet, but not, that's that's a wild statement to make. You know what I'm saying? Well, there was a meme. It was like their whole community was like, yes, we've been slandered

long enough. There's a foot community. Wow, this is a big deal. What's a more wild statement? That statement or Mike just very casually saying, I have a feet shot. I don't know. I have a friend who's a foot guy. Oh, did I say I'm a foot guy? Hey, man, you poor to bra, baby.

You poured a brown. I have a foot guy. I got a foot guy. It's a little bit LeBron. I have been seeing a podiatrist for my non-Lebron James-esque feet, but I'm, you know, I bet she has an opinion. I bet I would love to know what she thinks. Is this the highest compliment a podiatrist could receive?

Honestly, I got a little callous on my foot that's been causing me issues. I need to talk to Bron. You don't need what Braun has You just need a I need a go to a for diet God damn Yeah you need a pumice egg bro Like you can handle that your goddamn

So I mean I mean You know what I'm saying I think I think I let it Go too long You need a you need a 10 day contract of feet That's what I did Okay

You don't need a first battle A Hall of Famer All time great You got that's just Yeah that's just the like That's a Shanghai contract You know what I mean? Damn.

You guys just like a saying high shark feet, dicka. Yeah. You feel me? Damn, all feet aren't created equal, nigga. You know what I mean? Hey, one thing we wanted to mention, you know, I think we haven't been always pointing this out when we've been recording live on AMP. But since we are getting ready for the playoffs, hit us up in the chat. Throw some questions out us.

Jackson had the idea to kind of end each episode with a question from the chat. So, you know, we are getting ready for the playoffs. We want to interact more, get more questions. We'll be doing more of these records after playoff games and stuff once they get going in a couple weeks. So if you got a question for us, it could be serious life advice. It could be funny. It could be something stupid, whatever, throw it in the chat. And Jackson will flag it for us at the end of the show.

So before we move off of- Not a question, but in the chat, just to shout out the chat. We have someone saying John needs the Taj Gibson of Feast. Oh, wow, bro. Y'all really clown in a nigger. Number 67 on the jersey Tosh gives us some decent years No it's nothing negative

It's just like you've got a routine like a You know You say you had a You got a baller's bro yeah I'm not Yeah yeah I'm still in a treadmill my hocus Are you treating me very well You know what I mean

You got a corn Yeah it's not a corn It's a callus on the bottom of the feet Corn on the top Corn are different bro Like corn's is That's a big problem In the black community bro

We don't fuck with that shit bro We clowning I thought that was bunions. I thought what's the difference between a corn and bunions? A bunion is the joint with the big toe when the big toe leans on the side. That joint is really going crazy? Yeah, that knuckle or the big toe? No one doing, is that what you call it?

Big toe knuckle. Is that what we're calling it? Can we keep, is that, does that make sense? That sounds like a great insult. I'll file that one away. You look like a big toe knoll. Look at it. All right, before we move off sports, I know Tyler wanted to talk about our guy, Logan's, Jalen Brown,

that was making the rounds this week. Tyler, the floor is yours. Well, thank you, good sir. But yeah, very interesting article in Jaila Brown, who's one of the more interesting guys in the league. Shouts to the homie,

Logan Murdoch, follow him if you're not following him already, doing great work at the ring of town business, as they say out in Oakland. I'm just going to pull up the quote here because I do not want to like misconstrue or combobulate this man's words because he was very precise

with airing. out his distrust of the Boston Celtics front office. So I'm going to read the, you know, the passage here. All right. The collaboration between Brown and Tatum nearly ended last July when Kevin Durant requested a trade from the Nets. The Celtics were among the teams to express interests, reportedly offering a package that included Brown, Derek White, and future draft picks. KD and JT are friends. They were working out together and whatnot, Brown says. So I wasn't sure what the energy was. I wasn't sure what the direction of the organization was. Puzzled. Brown place the three-way call to Stevens and Tatum.

During that discussion, Stevens says he assured Brown that the guard wasn't going anywhere. You just have to have a direct conversation, Stevens tells me of the meeting, and you have to be able to say, this is what's real, this is where we are. Obviously, you and Jason are the two guys that we built the whole roster around

and our every expectation is for us to come and compete together and try to be two games better than we were last year. Brown says, once we all got together and kind of talked it through, we all left on the same page, but the actions that was taking place during that time, it just didn't seem like that was the direction

that the organization was going in. I don't know. It was hard to tell at least. For as long as Brown has been in the Celtics, he's been involved in trade rumors. Last month, when Durant again requested a trade, Celtics owner Wick Grusbeck called Brown to squelch any worry Brown might have had. The nearly endless cycle has left some scars.

Brown generally doesn't trust easily, and that now extends to his relationship with the Celtics. It's hard coming into teams and organizations. and being warm. They operate on different principles, I think. This is an organization. They look at it as a business where they'll tell you one thing and then behind closed doors, they'll see another and they'll trade you all.

He says, they'll tell you, we love you and they'll be having like, we're going to trade them next week. I think that's just how business is run. Like where I'm from in the south, if you don't come through the front door, if you don't come through the front door, it's considered disrespectful. I feel like a lot of times when you deal in these corporate spaces, everybody

wants to come through the back door, come through it with an angle. So yeah, Jalen Brown did not miss his words there. He basically said that he did not trust the Boston front office. And not necessarily because he was always in trade discussions because he addressed the issue with them. And he said, you know, the responses that he got back, you know, based on the way that he felt things were moving in the organization, it felt like they weren't being all the way honest with them. And I'm not, you know, I don't think I've ever seen a player who was like, you know, Brown is the co-franchise player. Tatum's the franchise, right?

Tatum's 1A. Brown is one beat. I don't think I've ever seen like, you know, a co-franchised player just publicly air out his franchise's front office while he steer there. You know, we get these quotes all the time after guys get traded like, yeah, you know, I don't your family, but I know it's a business now. You don't get that when guys are still there. You know what I mean? So that was what was unique about this to me. I don't think I've ever seen a player of Brown's caliber air out the front office of a team he was still playing for, and, you know, in such clear terms like that. Go ahead, Mike. Go ahead.

Yeah, I mean, I think you hit it exactly on the head. Like, if you, when you know pro athletes, like, they talk about this stuff all the time. Then you never hear that publicly about a franchise that someone plays for. And I, but I'm glad he said it because in the same way that I'm glad that AD started calling attention to it, I hope more players do it, that like the load management was something that was forced on him by, by the team doctors, you know, in front office. I hope players are more honest about this because you see. so much fan reaction to player movement and player decisions that disregards this aspect of the

experience of being a professional athlete. And anyone who's been in any league for more than one contract knows what this feeling is. Like you just said it, this is not like a rotational player. This is one B on the franchise's org chart in terms of players, right? But he still has this experience of, I know if they can flip me into a true second superstar next to Tatum, if they could flip me into KD, they'll do that shit. If they could flip me into, you know, someone that's available, they'll do that. And I think that someone who's smarter than I am made the point on Twitter. And I'm sorry, I forget, forgetting who it was, that, you know, this is also sort of a byproduct of the player empowerment era. You know,

the player empowerment era, which, you know, I know all three of us are very much in favor of player empowerment, it's a top down thing like everything else in the NBA and in pro sports. Jason Tatum knows he's not being moved, but even the second guy on the roster of a successful team is every trade deadline feeling like he's got his bags half-packed. And I do think that's like a difficult byproduct of this era where you really have 10 or 15 guys that can kind of call the shots on what's happening.

If KD had come out and said, get me to Boston no matter what, where's Jalen Brown right now? You know what I mean? And that would have been the right decision. I think the only thing he's asked is, Yo, be up front. Because, like, of course you would trade me for KD. Like Tatum said before, like, shit, I would trade me for Tady.

Like, Katie, like, when I forget when this was. I think it was during the OKC before he went to the Warriors shit. You know what I'm saying? I think, like, I don't know why the Celtics would not be honest when everybody knows the truth. Everybody involved. And I think, like, it's not the fact that they would trade him. It's the fact that they wouldn't give him a straight answer. And that makes a ton of sense.

But like you were saying, Mike. Like everybody has to deal with that. I know talking to players like off camera wondering about, you know, how does it feel doing the trade deadline? And they're like, bro, everybody's nervous. But those like 15 guys you talk about. Your wife, your kids, your family, your mom wants to, like,

you know what I mean? Everyone's asking. And I think that there's an assumption that the players have more info than is out there publicly. But how many times have we heard guys say, Woj told me I had to change my kid's school? You know, like, like Woj told my wife, you're not going to

get to see your friends till the off season. You know what I mean? Didn't, did what he say that? Spencer? Yes. He's an 18-to-point player in the NBA. That is this like, that's like top 50. There's not a lot of people scoring like that.

And he's hearing shit from woes or shams. You know what I mean? Like, it's a, yeah, I mean, that's crazy. It's different. And obviously, the guys are well compensated. I mean, it's, I understand. Like, no one. But it still sucks, though.

It still sucks. And it's still uncomfortable. And I think we can all relate to that. you know what I mean? For sure. But I mean, you know, the front office, they're put in a shitty situation like that where I think they feel like they have to be dishonest to a degree, right? Because, of course, the trade doesn't happen.

So what do you do if you do have an honest conversation? You know, where you say, yeah, you know, if we can move you for Katie, unfortunately, we're going to have to make that happen. Like, you know, you basically tell a guy, you know, you're somewhat expendable here. But then it falls through and now we're like, okay, let's get back to chasing this ring. You can't say that to him. I totally, and I relate to what John's saying about the honesty, but I totally agree with Tyler. Like, you can't have there be a saved memory in your second best player's head of his boss's boss saying, eh, if we could make you into someone better, we absolutely would.

And Bumani said something about this, about Lamar Jackson, that this is the value of having an agent to some extent. like and Beau said he's like you know he's like I love my bosses at HBO but if I had to be the one to call him a motherfucker when we're negotiating contracts we might not have that relationship right right right so I I'm with Tyler I just I don't think you can put that memory in someone's head but then you like John said like you end up creating a situation where of course the guy feels a little bit like he doesn't trust you because you weren't honest with him I think in this situation is because we all know the truth I'm not saying everybody because sometimes it's like maybe I don't maybe but if If KD's available, of course I'm, you know, like, he knows that. So, I mean, if I'm him and they're telling me no, just flat out, you know what I mean? Not even kind of suggesting it at all. I mean, come on. That's, that's, that's, you can't trust that. And so that's my thing.

It's like, you can give him something, you know what I mean? Without saying that. Like, yeah, nigga, like, if KD's on the table, bro, it's fucking KD. You know what I'm saying? But, like, for a guy like him, who is a smart dude? Like you said, he didn't miss this word. He spoke very eloquently to what he meant. He spoke exactly how he felt.

You feel what I'm saying? And so I don't think like, I don't think there's certain people like that when everybody knows the truth or certain situations, everybody knows the truth, it might help to, you know, be somewhat honest in a, you know, tactful way, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

I think in situations like that, you have to know your personnel. You have to know the guy who's, you know, coming to you, you know, wanting transparency and you have to, like, move from there. You know, from as we can see here, Jalen wasn't buying shit they were selling them, you know, when they told him that he wasn't in these straight jobs. Would you bought it? Would you have bought it, Tyler?

Absolutely. Would you want a little bit of honesty? I would have wanted some honesty, but I would have wanted, like I said, the constructiveness is, yeah, how do you frame it to where if, if this trade doesn't happen, you know, I got to come and get my old. That's why we ain't paid the bucks and niggas paid

that are supposed to frame it in a particular way. You know what I'm saying? But like, we know that this is not going to end up the way that they would want to do. two. You know what I mean? With him not trusting the fucking franchise and saying it, you know, in a ringer article. You feel what I'm saying?

To get picked up by everybody. Like, yeah. So like, it's, you know, it's a tight rope you walk, but I don't know if they played it the right way. But we, I understand both sides. Jackson, I'm curious for your thoughts as a Celtics fan, both on, you know, the larger topic, but also more specifically. I think it's

like a funny thing where we all talk about like how crazy and dumb sports fans are. But then like I told you all like, you know, then Pat Bev becomes a Laker. I've hated Pat Bev his whole career. I hate like other than his story, but I hate watching that dude play basketball. The moment he became a Laker,

it's like, all right, I guess I'm rooting super hard for Pat Bev's success now. Until he played basketball. And then you hated him again because he's stuck it up. Yeah. I'm curious for your take as a Celtics fan. I know, like you always sort of hold your breath when an article like that comes out about a guy

on your team. Like, I hope he doesn't say some shit that'll get stuck in my head. Yeah, I mean, I love Jalen Brown. I think at this point

in Jalen Brown's career with how good he is, and Kevin Duran is kind of old. I don't even think I would trade Jaylen Brown for Kevin. Really? But he's saying that because Jalen Brown is a Boston Celtic.

He doesn't want to say that. That's exactly why I didn't ask him to give his opinion. I get it. But I think it's a tricky situation because you can't both sides in just, this is one of the, I think a lot of times professional athletes be like, well, and this is the one thing I don't agree with. I disagree with Draymond Green on this, where it's like, they're like,

well, if I worked in a tech job, I wouldn't have to deal with this. It's like, yeah, you don't. You work in professional sports. And professional sports are different jobs than everyone else lives. Okay. You don't, it's not the same job. However, this is one thing that I think is overlapping between professional sports and regular jobs where employees and employers are dishonest to each other all the fucking time. For the good of everyone. Right. The best. Your boss is not telling you, hey, guess what? If we find someone who can do your job as good as you for cheaper, we're going to do that. And you're not telling your boss, I'm looking for other jobs when you are. That's just the way employment works. Everyone is always looking for the better situation. And for the most part, that is a successful thing. The problem in professional sport is there's different kinds of optics. Like when Kyrie is like, I'm a Boston Celtic forever, man. The fans are pissed and like, I get that. But like, what's he supposed to do?

Is he supposed to be like, I'm going to wait and see? Because then that's more honest, but people are, some people are pissed here. Other people are pissed if you're not honest. Like it's a tough spot for everyone, the employer and the employee. So I don't really fault anyone in this situation. Like Jalen's got to get his money. Jalen has the threat of having to move constantly because of the trade. The front office has a responsibility to make the team as good as possible.

Like everyone has their own responsibilities and it's fine. I understand why it's wearing on a. Man, that has to suck. It's already stressful. Every time a fucking dog is available, Jalen Brown has to look behind his back. Like, he's not a dog himself. You know what I mean?

He's worked this hard, this hard to be a fucking guy, bro. You know what I mean? All-Star. Calibur quality player. I mean, like you said, there's 15 guys that don't have to worry about it. But, Mike, I love how, like, you know, adamant you were about for the good of everyone. Like,

nigger, thank you for lying to me. Well, Tyler's our, Tyler's our employment expert, and I guarantee, like Tyler's the most

honest person ever when he's talking to people he's recruiting and stuff like that. But I know for a fact, Tyler doesn't talk to his employer and be like, you'll fuck,

niggas. This is what's going to. Fuck you, nigga. Yeah, I guarantee he does. Yeah, I do not say it

in such certain terms as Jalen Brown laid it out of that. I don't tell you that much. But yeah, I think you absolutely do trade Jalen for Katie if that could have happened because the whole thing is

Yeah, yeah, everyone looks at KD's age, but no, you're working on Tatum's timeline, right? Yeah, exactly. Now you get, you get two, maybe three quality years out of KD, you hope you get a ring in that run and then you read to what a 28 year old Jason Tatum.

That would have been the plan. Jackson knows that. But like that's what's funny. If Kevin, if he, when he thought Kevin Duran, he thought Boston Celtic, then he would, you know, like if the roles were reversed, he would never trade KD away for David Brown.

Of course. Everyone values their own team's player higher than they are. It's fine. I recognize I have the same. I couldn't imagine doing that with Katie, though. But hey, I respect it. That's a lot of love for the Celts.

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one of the best people on Twitter for anyone who is listening to us who does not follow him at Nef Muhammad. Tweeted out a screenshot of a story about a zebra who had escaped and I'll just read the headline and then I'll read his commentary.

Cero the Zebra breaks free from a zoo and runs through the streets of Seoul. Zoo official said the three-year-old has been lonely since losing both his parents and not being taken in by a kangaroo family next door. But there may be brighter days ahead, a girlfriend. And in his comment was, A girlfriend will not help Cyril the zebra unless he confronts and resolves his trauma around grief slash abandonment.

If he doesn't, his burdens will become her burdens and then their collective burdens and love will never grow. I've retired and I'm an animal therapist now. That motherfucker is so nice with that thing. That was like really some beautiful, heavy poignant shit right there that he said. Like all jokes aside, though. I hope Ciro checks that advice for sure. Ciro for sure got a tap in.

That is great advice. Got a tap in and soak that game up. For these young brothers listening to? Yeah. Lean on that. You feed me, but go ahead. That's real. That's real.

But I'm very much interested in the backstory here. Like, I need to know how he became an orphan. I need to know why he was shunned by the family of kangaroos, who he wanted acceptance from. Like, there's a lot here that I feel like we need to dig into. I mean, I can't even really fault the kangaroos because, for one, motherfuckers from Australia, zebras are from Africa. Y'all motherfuckers don't know each other.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know, just because you're both in the desert section of the zoo doesn't mean your family. Right, exactly. You might be the ass, nigga.

So, yeah, so I'm very cute. I need more information on it. I might do some digging tonight and come back next episode with what I find. We'll see. That kangaroo situation, like, it must have been a doozy for it to actually be mentioned in that. You know what I mean? That might have been what broke him. Right, right.

I just, you know, like, yeah. You feel what I mean? The kangaroos wouldn't fuck with me. I just got tired. I can't find love anywhere, nigga. He went to a whole different species. They wouldn't fuck with him. God damn, motherfucker.

You know what I'm saying? And kangaroos are dickheads too. They are. Cigrews are assholes, bro. Where's the girlfriend? Is a girlfriend, was she out in the wild? Did she like, what, but what's going on here? Tune in next episode, live on a hell.

I don't think that Zabras just running through soul, though. So it can't have been in the wild. I don't know. We need more information. We need more information for sure. I'm interested in the concept of animal trauma. Like, we are animals, right? And when we lose a loved one or something, like chemical things happen in our brain and we think

thoughts and we can choose to put on certain music and whatever. But the same chemical thing must happen in like a wild animal's brain roughly, right? Like especially your young animal and you lose a parent or something. So like, but they can't go to therapy. You know what I mean? So like what happens with that? That's fascinating to me. I feel like I might have told you all this story before, but there's, you know, so many

times where I think about what happens after we die. What's in the afterlife if there is an afterlife? And something that always hops out to me is, y'all remember Coco, the signing gorilla? Yes. Yes. She had a, and remember she had a kitten that she fell in love with and that kitten died, right? And she was very well aware that the kitten was, you know, was dead. And, you know, the people who used to sign with her, you know, they asked her where her kitten was. And she said, comfortable whole. And that shit always fucks me when I think about what's here after because it sounds, you know, because I think that, you know, there's either an afterlife or there is like a peaceful nothingness, right? And I think like comfortable whole, like I don't think a gorilla can concept can grasp the concept of like a void of like nothingness. So like that made me think that, you know, I think that animals are a bit more tapped into like nature. Yeah, right.

So so. So I'm telling you, Coco's signing that she thought her dead kitten was in a comfortable hole is some shit that I will. always think about when I think about like what's here in the here after. Yes. I think animals are more tapped in similar to how babies are more tapped in. You know what I'm saying? Like I feel like yeah, so I think that I think Coco probably knows more than we do. You know

I mean when it comes to what the fuck's going on in that you know, in this afterlife, you know, or whatever. But but yeah, man like I don't know. Like human perspective is like it's fascinating because we I told you all a couple weeks, a couple of weekends ago we took a boat over to Catalina Island right? Yep. It's like 13 miles or something like that across the ocean.

And one of the things we did when we were there was we got on this submersible boat and it drove around the reef so that our kids could see the fish and stuff like that. But what trip me out was it wasn't like there were some fish. It was like the ocean was full of fish. Like schools move like one fucking organism, bro. It's so fucking fascinated. And there's like thousands of fish. in them. But it was like, think about if you looked up at the sky and it was just full of birds. That's what the ocean between Long Beach and Catalina was. There's dolphins, right? Sometimes there's sharks and whales and all this other shit. And I was just thinking like, we're not aware of them

ever in our daily life. Like I've lived right near these fish my entire life and I had no idea, like never thought about them. And they have lived near me their entire life and have no idea maybe that there's even anything above the water. And it was just like, I had a little existential crisis moment at 6.30 a.m. on the ferry out there. Like, that's fucking wild. And then you just to keep expanding that out,

like I've got a brain that allows me to see them and process that information, whereas they think the submersible boat is just like a god or something that comes and drops food off to get them to come over to the boat. But I don't know. Like it's a trip.

I'm sure there's, something of a higher consciousness than us on a universal level or something that's able to process information that we can't. You know what I mean? We're the fish to somebody. We're the fish to somebody. We're the fish to something, I guess is my point. What trips me out is there's more going on

down there than up here. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it might as well be two totally different existence on the same planet. And like, you know, we've got more of the planet than we do. And they're like 60 something percent of the planet. And we've spoke to the fact that Like, we know more about the space than the ocean.

On our own planet, bro. There is so much shit going on there. That's wild as hell, bro. But when it comes to animal trauma, I wonder how they deal with that shit for real because, like, the way they exist is traumatic to me in my perspective. You know what I'm saying?

Like, if you're in a wild, like, to think about an animal in the zoo always feel bad for them, but at least they're safe from, like, predators and whatnot for the most part, right? You know what I mean? But, like, like, living in the wild is, seems more traumatic

than actually being captivated or captive, you know what I'm saying? Which is maybe that's just my perception. But I don't know. I wonder how they deal with that, the daily fears of just existing as a wild animal.

Bro, we discussed this story before when we talked about that conservative, the dude who ran the conservatories or whatever the fuck you want to call him for elephants out in Africa. Yeah, yeah. And when he died,

African herds from fucking hundreds of miles away who he like helped foster came came and posted up at his crib when he died elephants and just stayed there for like two or three days that's yeah elephants are for sure like tapped in in a way that i think elephants are the closest thing to spiritual beings on this planet bro you know i mean the way that elephants will elephants will walk by a a like a like the the skeletal remains of a elephant and know they knew that elephant and will stop and grieve you know I mean. Right, right, right.

And it's just skeletal remains. You know what I'm saying? Like, the way they're tapped in around them is just crazy, bro. Like, it just... Like, have you all ever adopted, like, an abuse or like a neglected pet? You ever been around? Like, there is, like, the trauma, it does exist. Like, we adopted a cat that had been taken back to the shelter a couple times.

And it legit had, like, abandonment issues. Legitimately. I mean, it was so anxious. It was Pablo, actually, it was our cat that passed away. He was so, like, and then whenever we would pack. When we start packing to leave the house, he would, he'd be freaking the fuck out. I've never had a cat do that. You know what I mean?

And so, like, it took him, I feel like a couple years before he, like, relaxed. You know what I mean? Like, oh, no, like I scratch someone. I don't need to run away because they're going to kick the shit out of me or something like that. You know what I mean? So he did, like, settle into it eventually. But we talked about that.

And actually, Maya asked us a lot of questions about that when our cat passed away because we have another cat. And we're like, did she just? lose her like only like reference point because we adopted her when she was a kitten is this cat like the only other thing that's really existed to her because we're some other species that brings her food and you know whatever the only head or whatever she doesn't go outside of yeah yeah yeah because we get coyotes over here and shit you know what i mean so it was like i don't know but it's really really trip me the fuck out bro i don't know anyway all right got real existential

over what's the zebra's name god damn zero that morpher to start it some shit someone let hanif know he got it he really got us off up but that's what that's that's he needyth timeline right there haneev's timeline is a tangent timeline it'll get you off twitter thinking about some other shit um all right well I'm not going to transition off that into looking jonathan major so let's talk about uh let's let's talk about this hard R thing How ridiculous, bro.

Okay, there was a clip that circulated a couple weeks ago. I'll describe it because I don't know how many people saw it, but it was like two white podcast hosts. I think they're hosting like a video game podcast or something, but they were talking one of them, yeah, one of them was talking about how in the early 2000s, the hard R slur was used super regularly.

And then it was just like acceptable and you'd see it on family guy. and then he said I'm not afraid to admit like I use the hard R word all the time everybody used it we all used it and all boy was like I don't know about you brother

his co-hose head spun all the way around on his body like the exorcist and then came to discover that the guy who was saying that thought that the hard R was the R slur for you know mentally handicapped people and so first of all

it was a hilarious clip because the guy saw his whole light flash before his eyes as he realized what what he'd actually

been saying what all had transpired according to everybody else watching but and Shar has been keeping me updated on this it's revealed this

like this is actually a not negligible group of white people that thought that the phrase the hard R referred to what we would call the R word. And that is really fascinating to me. I told y'all that might be a two Americas.

I think y'all had three or four, maybe even five Americans. Obviously there's two white Americans. That's some white people shit that white people are confusing. You know what I mean? Because I don't hear niggas in the wild saying hard hard. Never heard a nigga in the wild say that.

You feel me? Like you said, like we spoke to it before, you know, Mike, it might happen in corporate settings. you know, you might describe the N-word. I don't even think I say N-word. I don't know if I've said hard-ar outside of this right here. You know, I started talking on the podcast. You feel what I'm saying?

Like, dog, I don't know, man. I think that's some white people shit that that white man didn't know. There's two white Americas. We're learning about the other white America, man. Maybe they are the oceanic whites. I don't know. I don't know. That's some post-grad white people shit right there.

Interesting, interesting, bro. But I mean, come on. Like, hard art, you really thought that? Like, bro, you know what I'm saying? You don't got the internet? You know what I mean? I mean, look, I believe it because white people know so little about black people. Like, we discussed before, like, in a group chat, I was like, bro, watch Jeopardy.

If you want to know how black people have to know so much about white people to move in this country and how little they have to know about black people, watch Jeopardy and watch these fucking. brain scientists, these lawyers, these college professors, watch them go 0 for five on a black history category. Right? Like, they don't know shit about us. So you're so right about that. It's like, this is how much a Honest Wagner rookie card sold for at 1937 and then like, they know to the sense.

The $100 question about black movies is like, never heard of Friday. You know what I mean? You're like, this is like, this preacher from Atlanta had a dream. Mark Luther King. It was Martin Luther King. guys. Oh, of course, of course. Of course it was.

Who is future? Literally, they'll be like, who is future? I'm really wondering. I've never heard of future before. That is such a good point. You're so right about that. Yeah, like, and it happened because that one viral clip where homie ain't know what the green book was for, you know,

for black people to travel safety. What do you say? the black book because it was a black person, bro. That was a black category. This was all the fuck I said the black book. And he said it like the black book I guess like because they're black you know what I mean?

That's true. But that tone of voice is so part of it that it's like I can't believe I'm being asked about this topic. Was it Martin Luther King Jr.? Right. On Jeopardy, we don't have anything anymore. You know what I mean? Come on. Go.

Sheesh. Yeah, I would always love when I was at my grandma's house because she would whip my ass on Jeopardy, except for when we got to sports or we got to anything that wasn't about what people. I'll take over here, Grandma. That was my safe space. Absolutely.

I know an NBA category came through you. Like, oh, easy money, dog. Right, right. Best of both worlds go. lot in here. Rubbing my hands together. Turn on jock jams, you know what I mean? Tore off the warm-ups. We ready now, baby. You feel what I'm saying?

We really, these niggas really created joc jams. For people to come out to. Like, middle schoolers, like, play jug jams. I'm like, nigger, bro, Tupac was existing. He has songs. You want me to play fucking jock jams, nigga? Who let the dog? Shnew

We are 16 years old. Why are we turning up to who let the dogs out now? We have the coolest humans on the planet dropping music right now and you want to play this weird ass shit. Goodness, they probably sold. They made crazy money off that.

I wonder how much money jock jams made. I bet the child of the person who is living fabulously from their dad. Well, my daddy created jack jams. Yeah, they still, yeah, they still say, that's the most valuable song you could create is a song

like Seven Nation Army made the white stripes like a billion dollars because it gets played at so many sporting events like yes I wonder how much Snoop made off of fuck the mother niggas in high school we was running the hell out of that made a lot of money in Long Beach

I made a lot of money in Alabama too and St. Louis my name of you feet all right have you all right have you heard of ghost kitchens I'm excited. I think Jackson just mentioned

you never heard of it. Okay. Never. So there's a, there's a spot in, is it in Santa Monica Mendocino, John? Oh, yeah. I mean,

there are multiple places. Mendocino Farms is like a sandwich salad place in L.A. That I had for the first time when we were doing the life in a bucket slash show. Shut the fuck up. If, if, if old girl from Indiana would have sent me to Mendoz, we wouldn't be beefing.

instead of fucking subway. You know what I mean? But go ahead. Go ahead. So anyway, I had it. We all ate there when we were up at buckets during the playoffs last year.

It was really good. And I was bummed out because there isn't one in Long Beach and I would like to eat their food. I don't know. You liked it that much. That's fine. Oh, it was great.

Yeah, yeah. It's like what I'm looking for. It's like a good sandwich that's not just a deli sandwich. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. So anyway, um,

Sharr told me that they, it came up on Postmates in Long Beach. And I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. And it turns out that what it is, because they don't have a restaurant here, is what's called a ghost kitchen, which is the new form of American hellscape for our culture deteriorating into a series of apps,

which is, this is what a ghost kitchen is. Someone rents a big ass industrial building. They then set up a bunch of different spots inside of it to cook, and you just pretend that it is, Mendocino Farms. There's just some dude in there making their recipes and giving them to the postmates person. You literally can't walk up to it and order food because it doesn't exist. It's just, that's why they call it a ghost kitchen because it just exists only for the app.

And I don't know why, but it just seems very dystopian to me. Tyler is not trusted at all. This thing is like, is this actually Mendocino, Farms making the food or it's like Jim. Well, what is it Mendocino Farms? That's what I don't like about it. What is Mendocino Farms? It's their recipe.

It's their recipes. It's like, it's a collaborative space for a different restaurant to make money off the Uber Eats. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I'm like, you're saying like who's paying the guy that's making the food? Mike, just be happy that there's a Mendo's that you can order from. Look at the good. This world is trash. Okay?

we know it. Let's not let's not trip off of it, bro. We have ordered from it. I mean, I will order from it. But the ghost kitchen thing, I'm with a chicken,

chicken sandwich. Come on, man. But the ghost kitchen thing, I'm with Tyler. You like the same? Does it feel like when he ordered from it?

Does it eat like the regular men and it has the packaging and everything too, but it's just Jim in Long Beach in a fucking building by himself making this shit and putting it in a bag and handing it to an Uber guy. Probably robots, bro.

bro i still remember the sandwich i have from that motherfucker it was a pastrami all right that shit was good as fuck like i have very high i hope that's here which is very high esteem i'll tell you that much and i can imagine like you order some shit and it just doesn't meet the expectations no he said it's good it was good it was good it's the same vibe it was good but it's just but part of what i liked about it was that it's a restaurant and i walked in and i felt comfortable in there but you were ordering Uber eats. So you wouldn't have been in a restaurant anyway. It's a motherfucker.

A robot made your fucking sandwich and it was delicious and you liked it and you got to deal with it, Mike. You ate at a ghost kitchen. Okay? It's okay. It's all right. We probably have all eaten in a ghost kitchen and not note it. You're not the only one.

Okay. It's okay, Mike. You're okay. You have no response? I have no response to that. Make a great point. like how how expansive is this because i can imagine there's only certain types of like a sandwich shop okay i can get that you just need some cold cuts and bread to run your

shit right like like are there like Jamaican spots that are fucking ghost kitchens and shit no we would taste that no it's become a big thing in southern california because as people were a whole lot i read a whole article in the they have to me to me it feels like it only makes sense to me if it is like popularized you know what I'm saying like fast food joints if it like not where I get my Jamaican spot Jamaican food it's only one of them on the planet dog you know what I'm saying they're not create recreating that quality of food if it's like so wrong about how popular I'm saying I'm saying you're not going to find a natural lot I can't order that from a goat's kitchen because there's only one you know what I mean like

that's what you're talking about Mike I've heard of the inverse of this where like Denny's there's a place on postmates or your breed's called like the grilled cheese spot or whatever. And all you can get is grilled cheese. And those are just coming from Denny's. Like they're literally just coming from not not like a ghost kitchen, literally a Denny's and they just make a grilled cheese handed to a postman's driver sell it as something. Totally different branding and all that.

Yes. Yeah. I just texted John and Tyler a picture from one of the stories I read about Ghost Kitchen It's just a row of shipping containers with doors on them. And it's just these, like, fake little kitchens. Hey, man. This ain't it, bro. The vibes are not here.

It's vibeless food. It's fuck up. It's fucked up. It's just some guy in there by himself. Fuck, sunny. Fuck sunny. John went 180. Bro, this is ugly.

I was like, you're going to eat the kitchen. I'll send you the photo. Also, I'll send you the photo, James. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying John. was all like lecturing Mike about. The picture looks dystopian, bro. This feels like Russia. You know what I mean? Like, nigga. It's, bro, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I googled if there are Jamaican ghost

kitchens and there are and there's one in Virginia. There's one in Virginia and, and, and, and the fucking leads as a Jamaican ghost kitchen that's open in Sterling. Sterling is a, is a city of Virginia. Grandpa Hank's Jamaican kitchen is serving oxtail and jerk chicken from O'Malley's pub. What in the fuck? But is Grandpa Hanks the only Grandpa Hanks? Is Grandpa Hanks? Because you're not, if it's Grandpa Hanks, it seems like it'd probably be nasty Jamaican food. That's putting Grandpa in the name of a fictional restaurant.

That's so wrong. Are Henry's a popular name in Jamaica? Like, is that just, are they just making up this? This is, I don't like, like, I don't like the way this smell. Like Grandpa Mikhail's Jamaican kitchen, Jamaican food. Like, that feels like that would be in a ghost kitchen. You know what I mean? Like, if it's a.

This feels like that name where it's, It's like I do not like this, so I pretend I do not see. Totally. I'm just going to eat. But it is nice to have Mattis Hills in Long Beach. I don't want no motherfucking ox tail from an Irish pub. Period. I'll go there for some Shepherds pie or some shit.

But you serving me some goddamn curry goat from O'Malley's pub? Hell, no. Beef patty from what, nigga? That don't make no sense, nigga. That oxtail soup ain't going to slap like you're supposed to. You can have a motherfucker named Shemis. Got damn cooking up my curry goat. Peas and rice.

Hell no, nigga. They're giving you corned oxdale. Nigel. Cool corned beef oxdale. I don't trust. One of that shit. All right. Okay, let's talk about, I know all three of us have some thoughts about it.

There's just no way to segue into this shit. But this Jonathan Major shit, what a fucking bummer on every level from what may or may not have actually happened to the discourse around it, to everything else. And I'll just start out by saying this. It is very bothersome to me, and I have a lot of friends posting shit like this on the internet, that people are acting like it's an act of solidarity racially to doubt the words of a woman saying she's been abused. And that really bothers a fucking hell out of me. But I have had so many friends retweeting people saying stuff like,

I'm going to give him the same benefit of the doubt that the media gave these other white actors, whatever. It's like, God. Like Johnny Depp or some shit. I don't, yeah. I don't know. The whole shit is just like, it's just, ugh. I literally kept me off the internet all weekend because I just saw like six things.

My friends were retweeting. I was like, let me get the fuck out of here, bro. Go play with my kids. Yeah. It's, um, I haven't spoken on that on Twitter because I feel like so, so many people are just not, are just missing the whole fucking point, right? I feel like for one, I don't think it's really my.

space because I'm I'm not someone who's been a victim of that shit. I think that, you know, times like this, we got to get the floor to, you know, people who have been through that shit. There was like a recent development where Jonathan Majors lawyer released a statement saying that that the woman is going to recant her statement and all that. And it's like a whole lot of people like, yes, exoneration. See, this is what I'm telling you all about. And that shit doesn't mean anything to me, bro.

Are there's video evidence, though? Are there's video evidence? And I don't know. They don't know if it was heard that it got the, it might have been the taxi driver that, because apparently he was in a taxi. People were saying that she looked at his phone, saw that it was a woman he was sex or two,

and then he responded to her trying to grab his phone. And the taxi driver may be the person that called 911, maybe not her. So there's a lot of different questions about this. So if there's evidence in that way, bro, there's no, you know, she can recant that. But, you know, I mean, he's abuser. She may be afraid.

I mean, if he's, if what he was doing is true, you know what I mean? Like, she went to the hospital with bruises and lacerations. Come on, gee. So, I mean, so like I said, the recanting doesn't fucking move the needle for me at all because, I mean, this is a dude who is being anchored to the biggest fucking franchise in Hollywood for the next five years. This is a dude who they are entrusting to give the multiple billion dollar movies over the next five years. years, right? The people behind this man, they can make shit like this go away. You know what I mean? So, so that really doesn't mean shit to me. We've seen plenty of people who have ran in Jonathan Major's circle come out and say that, yeah, this isn't anything new. This is his reputation. This

is who he is. So, I mean, look, my whole thing is this. I don't know these motherfuckers. And I have no problem just not fucking with a celebrity anymore. Right. Right. Like, I was, I was with everybody. It was a feel good story. I was like, yeah, this, this young man came out of relative obscurity. And and it's now and a fucking A-lister, good for him. Bro, I don't need to fuck with this dude anymore. I don't know that motherfucker. If he's an abuser, which all signs point to, then it's fucking him.

It's that easy, dog. Never trust a nigga that don't get his hair line, dog. You feel me? Can't trust a nigga? Can't trust a nigga with some dirty boots and no hairline, nigga. Can't trust a nigga doing push-ups with a widow's peat. You feel what I'm saying?

Bro, he had us breaking rules, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Some of these old rules were not far. betterment. Somewhere. You know what I mean? Somewhere. Wisdom. Some were wisdom and parted on us from the elders.

Keep a fresh cut. Keep some clean shoes. Nigger, that's a trustworthy nigga. You know what I mean? We don't trust black meat with no face of here either. I think one other comment I made to y'all that I feel comfortable talking about on the pod that I do think goes across all races when you're just talking about men in America is I said he's a guy who used to be a dork who's a guy who's, now super popular and considered very attractive. And I said, so of course

he's a terrible person. Yeah, man. We all saw that nose. Cheap bone and cheekbone shoddy, bro. We saw that. You know? He made it out of that nose. Bro, he had some scars, nigger. You feel me? You don't carry

that nose around in middle school and high school and not get your ass pride, bro. You know? Fuck that nigga, bro. Hey, fuck her, man, it is what it is. But my point was there is like, and this is part and parcel with the whole

in-cell craziness is this like, people who turn rejection, who take rejection and turn it into seeing women as the enemy, markers or measurements or, yes, an opposing force or something. And I do think

that can manifest itself in ways that are annoying but not so scary. Like, just, you know, certain musicians, you can maybe talk about whatever else. But it's also on all the other way over to people who are really violent or who do, you know, these horrible things or whatever. So I do think that's a common thing, though, like, again, across not just like any individual group of people, but like men in this country in particular, it does seem to be like if

you've experienced shame or rejection or something that it metabolizes into this kind of darker, you know, part of a personality or whatever. So I, that honestly, that was my first reaction when I heard it was like, anytime I see a bunch of headlines, they're like, this person used to be a nerd. And now everyone's thirsting after him. It's like, ah, I don't think human brain is not meant to go through that transformation. I don't know, bro. Yeah, that's a good rule of them there.

I hate to say it, but it's a fact. But I mean, like, regardless of what happens, you know, like, Tyler spoke to the fact that he got some, you know, dudes that are making a lot of money off of his personage. You know what I mean? Who he is? You know what I mean?

And regardless of what happens when it comes to the law and if he goes to, you know, if he's convicted of anything or whatever he considered, or they say he actually did it or not, whatever, bro, we know what the fuck happened. We know what happened.

You know what I mean? And I personally cannot support that shit at all, the flat to fuck out. Yeah. And I mean, like, I mean, that, that's just, like, the, the evidence is all there. You know what I mean? She went to the hospital for last race, like Tyler said. You know what I mean?

There's people within his circle are speaking to things he's done. There's people that, there's tweets that are coming up that people were afraid to say his name and now are saying, this is who I was speaking to, you know, that have connections with him. Hey, man. Believe what you want. Believe what you want. But, like, yeah, bro. like I just

bro. And it's not rocket science here you know what I mean? It's not difficult to figure out. And it's folks putting themselves out there

saying yes I will stand on the fact that this is who he is right. These are dudes who are in the industry like you'll go to their you go to their Twitter page

you see writer for HBO I'm dbb niggas right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah like these are dudes with skin in the game who are saying yes I can stand on this because I know

it's a fact so so yeah that was like the most damning part of it to me because you can say you can you know do the whole little bullshit. Ah, well, you know, there's no concrete evidence, whatever to fuck. For one, I

think that, you know, people get falsely accused very rarely. Very rarely. Very rarely. The numbers to do. It does happen. It's very rarely. Numbers speak to that. Right. And then just for, you know, multiple people to come out to say, yeah, that's who he is. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. It was grand opening, grand closing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have friends who have been saying, and I know that we're going to get people who respond to the saying this. So I think, I think there's a good point. I think it's worth driving home. So I'll just ask you guys. You know, there's people who will say, um, oh, you know, because he's a black man, everyone's going to be faster to jump to to assuming that he's guilty. Uh, and like I said, I have people retweeting this shit about

milk Gibson and, you know, whoever else. And we know how biased the criminal justice system is, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. What I feel like you guys are saying is like, this had nothing to do with any of that shit. This is what your eyeballs and brain is telling you about what you're reading. But, you know, what's your response to that? People saying like, oh, you're so quick to throw away a promising young black creator, something like that. I agree with that. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say, of course, there are discrepancies in regards to that. For sure. I just hate that we fucking bring that shit up when we want black people to get the same fucking leniency for committing atrocities that white people do. That's not the type of equality

I want, though. Period. I don't want, right? I don't want mother. I don't want to be fucking as evil and as vile as some white guys who got off the hook that's not my fucking you know perception of what equality or equity is whatever the fuck so so no and for one with Jonathan Majes is a very unique situation with him because everyone was saying he was attacking black masculinity during those photo

shoots when you know he was wearing like pink feather boas and shit right but now all of a sudden you know everyone's you know those same motherfuckers are fucking you know averting course he was once the the enemy the main you know fucking attacker of black masculinity now because

you know, their speculation that he's been violent to women, now they're all behind him. And so all that shit is bullshit, bro. Like, fuck all that noise. I mean, like Tyler said, I agree with those statements you made. You feel me? But, stop, man. I'm gonna call a fuck nigga a fuck nigga around here.

Whether you're white, black, green, or purple, nigga, that's a fuck Nick. Okay. And I can't support that shit, period. All right, that's all the time we got for Jenkins and Jones. we did not Jackson says the chat's a little quiet tonight but for everyone listening on AMP or elsewhere

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