The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jenkins and Jonez - LeBron and Tom Brady: Battle of the Olds

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

The guys discuss LeBron James still performing at an incredible level at 38 years old, Tom Brady not so much, Burger King’s wild volume of commercials, third grade taunting and more. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He told the lady at Trader Joe's last night. He's wearing his bronze jersey all day every day. He's wearing it underneath his school uniform. We're ready to go. So thanks to Game Time for making that happen. No matter where you live, you can get out and have some fun this week. Download the GameTime app. It is the

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first one I went to was brine really yeah I went to a I went to a I went to a, like, a exhibition game between, like, the Pacers and the Hawks and, like, Huntsville, Alabama when I was living in the South. But I was, like, in college then, it was Jason Terry. He was the point guard. And he was, there was a freshman that was from Auburn. I mean, rookie that was from Auburn that just graduated, trying to make a team. And Jason Terry was just, niggas think Jason was just a catch and shoot, nigga.

Jason had that motherfucker ball in a yo-yo when he was playing with the Hawks. And he was snatching souls, dog. You feel me? Reggie Miller was old at that point he set out. He didn't play no exhibition games but yeah. So the first I really went to was Brian and Lonnie Hawks. My sister actually paid for it. She treated me on my birthday.

You feel me? That's awesome. Realist Nick on the planet. Yeah, I still haven't been to an NBA game yet, bro. I'm in no rush, but yeah. I mean, for one, I live fucking, you know, two and a half hours from, you know, an NBA team. From a shitty team.

Yeah, it is not a team that inspires road trips at that. But yeah, man, one of these days. I was like 34, so I was old too, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? We went to, it's so weird because going anywhere in L.A. or Southern California is so expensive. But because of the Clippers, you could get tickets for free or for $6 or whatever.

You know what I mean when I was a kid? So we'd go to Clippers games that got to see the big teams for cheap as hell, you know, just off the Clippers. as a Lakers fan, I didn't go to a Lakers game until my late 20s. I have probably been to 10 Clippers games at that point or something. It's just a very weird. It was a unique dynamic. I think that's why some people who are just like casual basketball fans in L.A. got really annoyed when the Clippers became competitive because it was like,

but you're the, but you're supposed to, this is how I'm supposed to be able to afford to see these teams. You're fucking, the magic come to town. I'm a diehard magic fan. supposed to be able to get tickets for $5 to the magic game. Fucking bombers out here, fuck up. Fielding a competitive team and shit. The nerve of that guy. Yeah, exactly.

All right. Before we get going on the podcast, congratulations to Joy, John's sister, and her family welcoming a baby boy. Uncle Johnny, Uncle the jet throw, couldn't be happier, bro. Congrats. How are you feeling?

I feel like becoming an uncle is. almost makes you older than becoming a dad. Oh, for sure. I'm 73 right now, nigga, for real. No, I'm saying really bad jokes and loving it. You know what I'm saying?

I'm feeling good. No, I feel like, bro, like I feel like I've been an uncle since Emory. You feel me? But like, it's my sister who like is the person I would see. Like when I was looking at my sister, up until she got married, I would see the little kid that had like Cheerios in her hair.

You know, that was like four. Like I always saw that. baby's my baby sister. You know what I mean? The first time I really saw her as like, wow, she's a woman was when she got married. When I was walking her down the aisle and we were having like an emotional moment prior, we were trying not to look at each other

because we didn't want to cry because she didn't want to fuck up her makeup. And then I look at her with like midway down the aisle, like I'm getting emotional and she's just looking dead at Trey her husband. She's just captivated with that nigga. Like I might as well not even be there. And I was like, oh, she's just not my little sister anymore.

And so like I was like, okay. Like, I kind of like, you know, I'm giving her away. I'm really giving her away to this,

to, to, to, to, to, to, to, you know what I'm saying?

And so I actually dapped him up and hugged him at the fucking, like, yeah, you know what I mean? All right,

my G, you know, you know, because it meant a lot. But, her getting, her seeing her pregnant this during Christmas,

I'm like, damn, she's really a woman and how she's carrying it. And the doctor, she had a black doctor, like, it's Atlanta.

So basically everybody, the nurses, the whole, everything, everybody was black. So I felt like she'd be taken care of because you know, like, generally black women or treated a particular way. But because she's a doctor, I feel like it might help her a little bit because she knows what the fuck time it is. Yeah. But, yeah, they said that she handled it like a G, like,

wasn't no yelling, none of that shit. They said they've never seen anybody deliver a 9-pound, 14-ounce baby with the strength she had. But there was a moment where I won't get into depth with it, you know what I'm saying? Well, I'll talk to y'all about it. But, like, there's a moment when, like, the baby's shoulders got trapped. And, you know, if Jordan did do certain shit. there could be like some consequences, you know what I'm saying?

And so Joy told me she was just like, she said, her words were, I got in the game mode. She said, I knew what could happen. I had to do it. Fuck it. You know what I'm saying? If I don't. So real.

And I'm like, bro. That's the realish. And she, like I said, my sister don't even cuss, bro. You know what I'm saying? But she was like, she said, fuck it. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, everybody's healthy and safe, man. I'm just, who.

Well, I was praying, dog. Me and God got real. You know what I mean? Like, it was like that night, the night, it was the night before. She was having contractions. And, uh, and, uh, she went in that morning. She was there when she was there. And she had a baby, like, 24 hours after going into the hospital.

And like, I felt like I didn't breathe for like until, you know, I got the baby picture. But yeah, man, I'm a whole ass uncle. She's sending pictures. He's so cute. He already got plans for like, you know, like her husband, Trey, my brother-in-law, who I love. He's a solid. a little-ass, nigga, a real one.

You know what I said? I get what I need, joy, get what she wants. You know what I'm saying? She prayed about this shit. She got exactly what she, what the fuck, you know, she has.

But yeah, man, like, I talked to Trey, we all got plans to, like, you know, had them on FaceTime, getting to know each other one, you know what I mean, and swapping in the summers

and all that. So, yeah, man, we want them to, you know, have each other's back. So hopefully we have more kids, each of us, but if we don't, you know what I mean,

they'll have some. They'll have somebody to have their back. And that's always been important to us. Yeah, man. I'm excited, G. Man, bam, bro. Everybody growing up on me. Everybody growing up on me.

My mom looked at me, my mom at a moment in Christmas when she looked to be playing with my daughter, she said, I ain't got no more babies. Only grandbabies. And my mom has always called me baby. You know what I mean? She said, I ain't got no more babies no more.

Like you could see there was kind of a moment. She looked at me playing with my daughter. She was like, My son's a man. You know, my son's a dad. Right. You feel, me? Like, crazy, crazy, crazy.

Life, man, it's beautiful. My mom wrote me a card. I think Vinny was like four. Maya was like two. She wrote me, she wrote a card for me. She, you know, she stays with us for the holidays. She left me with a card. She didn't want to, my mom doesn't want to, we don't want to make eye contact

and have these conversations, but she wanted to tell me some real shit, right? Yeah, yeah. So she wrote me a card and was just like, all I could tell you is I hope you get to experience what I experience. what I experienced the last two weeks. Because she's like, the joy of being a parent is incredible, but watching your kids experience the joy of being a parent is like, I was like, yeah, I can't even, you know,

she turned my whole fucking insides out on that. But congratulations to Joy and Trey. Welcome to the Leo soul on, huh? They'll get you a no second in office and the OFES, the office, you know what I mean? The, uh, that Cleo's soul is the fucking, uh, band-aid that, holds me together after that airport trip every time, bro. Named her album, Mother. I know.

You know what I mean? Beautiful. Beautiful. All right. Both times are perfect. Our collective favorite basketball player experienced a professional moment along the lines of what we were just talking about, which is did y'all see the clip of Braun playing against the Rockets and Jabari Smith, Jr.,

came up to him and said, you played against my dad in your first game ever. Bet you feel old, don't you? Jabar I couldn't wait to tell him that, huh? Like, how long had Jabar I may wait? Bro, like, man, why you got to hit me with that? You're going to tell me that after the game or something, you know what I mean? That's why he dropped 48 on that man here.

That dunk was on Jabari. Tell your dad, I said, hi, nigger. Young Buck. Rod has I always really been in the league so long. There was like this graphic on around of all the father-son deals he played against. And, you know, Gary Payton and Gary Payton, the second was listed on there. And they showed the picture of rookie Bronn guarding Lakers Gary Payton. And that shit just really hit me like, bro, that was his rookie year that year that they got Gary Payton and Carl Malone on the Lakers.

Like, dog, that was. Yeah, that was 17 lifetimes ago, bro. And he's still balling. bro Gary Payton played in the same NBA as Brian Yeah It's hard to imagine Lakers Gary Payton Was different yeah yeah

Yeah yeah But yes Yeah yeah but that was this He had one more year after that didn't he I think Carl Malone left Gary Payton stayed And he won the chip with him the next year right No Gary Payton got his ring with the 06 heat

Okay okay with the heat okay I knew he got a ring with somebody So Dway gave him his ring Yeah Here. What a fucking run, bro. D. Wade versus Dallas. Beautiful basketball.

Crazy. But I appreciated Braun and Jabari Smith Sr. And Jabari Smith, they all had a moment and Braun was talking about how crazy that was. And Jabari Smith, senior was like, I mean, I can't imagine.

We talk about Braun maybe playing with Bronny someday or, you know, or Bryce or something. But to play against a guy and then have your kids. kid play against him. That's kind of crazy too. That's Jabari Smith Jr. He's like, I don't know I've ever seen my dad as happy as he was tonight. Just court side, holding court, like, that's my son. And you know what I mean? Like, I love that that fraternity

in the league was just, that was cool to hear about. But let me throw the numbers at you have bronze since he turned 38. 37 points per game, 9.7 rebounds per game, 8.6 assists per game leading the league in all three categories since turning 38 years old. Explain that to me. I've never seen anything like him. Like, you know, everyone knows he's my goat. And a big reason why he's my goat is, you know, it's kind of encapsulated in everything in that stat.

He's doing this at 38. We've never seen anyone this good this long. He's leading everybody in those three statistical categories. We've never seen someone so good at so many things basketball-wise. That's why he's the goat to me. We've never seen anyone this long who has been this good at so many basketball things. You could break down basketball, like, rings, all these, you know, all these different cultures within basketball culture itself, though. The best basketball player, if we're talking about basketball, is Brian.

By far, for the reasons that Tyler just said, dog. And it showed, there was a, it showed, like, you know, men, players over 38 that have gotten, you know, 40 balls. he has five, Jordan has three, and then the rest of the league has won. The rest of the league is Jamal Crawford. I hate that. That's me. What the wrong.

Yeah, Jamal Crawford understandably took that shit personally. You could have just said Jamal Crawford. You know what I'm saying? Also, bro, like, why don't we, well, Jamal Crawford's last game he had 50. You know what I'm saying? And that's the game where they were a 38-year-old.

I think he was what, he was 38, when he had 39 when he did that. But I feel like Jamal doesn't get enough love. But yeah, dog, like LeBron, LeBron just, bro, it's just, it's, you ask us to explain something that's, you can't explain. It's inexplicable. You feel me? Like, we have, we have never seen anything like this.

It'll be hard to imagine we see something like this where a guy's IQ is this high. He's this athletic and he's this durable. You know what I mean? Like, he's truly one-on-one. Well, let me put it to you like this. I think everyone is correctly stating how insane this run is in sports terms. Sports, though, are something where your body breaks down, right? You expect there to be an end of the run.

I'm trying to think of someone who has had a run at anything over 20 years like Braun has had. Have we had a musician with 20 years of being at the top? Not, like, active and good, but, like, you know, like, you can point to, like, a Stevie Wonder who's still super relevant and incredible, but, like, does Stevie Wonder have two albums? He's not average in 30 still. Separated by 20 years that are 38 points per game. Like the Simpsons golden era is nine years. Shakespeare, I think like the Beatles are like, what, seven years?

Jimmy Hendricks is three years. Like fucking, I think Shakespeare did not write. If you're looking at the masterpieces, they're closer together than 20 years. Like, what was the last time a human being was at the top of their shit for this long? And anything. And if you're looking at the numbers? Go ahead. I was going to say you could probably point to Beyonce.

Beyonce went solo 2003. You know, I think she had the album of the year, 2002. You know, she, you know, nothing but heat in that whole span. But, but yeah, it's, I mean, when it's just you and Beyonce, you know what I mean? That's some. Yeah, and Serena, of course. We cannot, you know, overlook Serena, you know, of course. But, yeah, I mean, if it's just like those three who have been this good, this long at things.

And if we've looked at it, looked at his numbers since 2020, I think his numbers are above his average. He's average like 30 the last two or three seasons. You know what I'm saying? Like up and rebounds. I think down in the same assists. Up in points.

The dude is like he's doing more as he gets older. It's unfortunate because he shouldn't have to be. You know, they should have some guys around them. But yeah, man, it's wild to see. It's wild to see. And I'll even throw out there with Serena.

If you're talking about singles, her first Wimbledon French Open, the Australia Open that year, was 2002-2003 and she's retired. So I mean, like, you really are like hard-pressed to find anybody with this kind of lasting power at the very top.

It's nuts. And I don't know what he did for his 38th birthday. You know, Savannah, please, let him play the video game as long as he wants to. You know, whatever, whatever it is, you know, the joke with Lakers fans was always, you know, Kobe had his guy in Germany that he'd go get the...

The Wolverine Titanium. Yeah, right, right, right. I don't know, Braun's flying him out what it is, but fuck, to be doing this shit at 38, it's truly, and, you know, the three of us have talked about, we just happen to kind of be in the same age range with him. So that's the thing that I'll, you know, I was in college watching him playing in the NBA. You know what I mean? Like, we graduated high school the same year. So I'll never be able to understand it because it's, I know what my life is in my body is a reasonably in shape person of above average height. And I'm not even the same species as this person.

You know what I mean? It doesn't make any fucking sense, man. People talk about how they thought it was steroids. He was using, bro, his body would have been broke down. Fast. You know what I'm saying? 10, 15 years ago. Steroids would have beat his ass a decade ago at minimum.

You know what I'm saying? Bro, this man is just special. He's different. You know what I'm saying? You do this type of thing with Tom Brady a lot where they say, oh, like, look at his numbers just since turning a certain age. And I think it's relevant to do it with LeBron James also. In his 30s, this is his ninth season,

and he's over the course of his entire 30s, he's averaging 26.7 points, 8.1 assists, 7.9 rebounds on 52, 35, 71 splits, and two rings. Come on, man. This is a league with the average replacement level player in this league has a two-year career and is out of the league at 24 years old. And that's what he's done in his 30s. What was his issue, was his shooting? He's shooting more and still shooting above 50% from the field.

Shooting more deep balls. He's moving away from the bass. He has an older man game. He'll say old man. He just boomed on a 19-year-old. You know what I'm saying? Older man game. And he's still shooting above 50% from the field, bro.

Is we just haven't seen somebody like this, though. It's not normal. Yeah. All right. Anyone have anything else to say about Braun? I love you. Get that man some help, bro. Please, you know.

I thought you said something that, in regards to milk, Mike. Let's leave. All right. Okay. We'll leave that in a group chat, Bubba.

Never happened. I didn't click the link either, Mike. I didn't click on. Yeah, I'm not clicking those links. Tyler, doing the work of the devil. Keep that devil shit to yourself.

Okay. That jackal propaganda. Keep that jackal propaganda to yourself. We will not participate over here, okay? Oh, sir. All right. Jackson just brought up Tom Brady. I want to do a little choose your own adventure.

Okay. We'll get a little interactive with it. Y'all tell me, I'm going to give you two paths. Forking the road here. You tell me which one you want to take. Are you going to keep your family or? down the road to your left. You are the greatest football player of all time.

You are unanimously considered the most successful player in the biggest sport in your country. You are married to a supermodel. You live in a mansion. You get to sleep in a real adult bed, not a race car bed. You have enough money to do whatever you want for the rest of your life. You don't have to go to work ever again. Down the other path. You are no longer married.

You are sleeping in a race car bed And you are getting your ass waxed Follicle by follicle by the Dallas Cowboys By Dak Prescott On national television And then you are going home To tuck yourself into the race car bed But on the plus side of that path

You did prove Adam Schefter wrong Gentlemen, which path are you choosing? Bro, that man Couldn't even go home after that. He doesn't have a home anymore. That man has a house. He went house after that. That man went house after that loss. Where he put a what, 96 yards? Come on, man. Bro, I do not believe. Hey, Tyler, you said his bedbath and beyond sign doesn't say this house is a home. It says this

house is a house. This house is a house. He said this man went house. But yeah, look, man. bro. How are you rich and broke at the same time? You rich as hell and broken all the things that matter, Digger. You ain't even got a home no more, nigga. Jesus Christ.

Bro, where's your home? This is a house, bro. Went home to that empty-ass crib. You know, them keys was loud as fuck when he dropped from the counter. Just echoing, dog. God damn, Tom. All is to prove Shepty wrong,

man, you lost every motherfucking thing. God, damn. God damn, nigga. Marble everywhere. No warmth. Cold is fucking that bitch. Where's your hearth, bro? Where's your heart?

Light of fire in this bitch, bro. It's freezing cold, dude. Oh, man. Bro, I feel, hey, man. Honestly, like, I don't need, like, the other shit, like the money part, yeah, give me that. Give me the forever shit. Legacy doesn't matter if. like the people who are closest to you don't, you know what I'm saying?

Like my legacy to me what matters is like, yeah, I want to make some bread. You feel me? You know, that's a big part of like, you know, how I want to live and shit like that. But like when I'm out of here, dog, like I want my family to say I was a good, you know what I'm saying? Like I was a good brother, a good dad, a good son and a good friend. Y'all can keep everything else. I don't know what fucking people remember me all this shit. Like 45, one of the two.

You don't fuck about none of that shit. though he like he is really broke and like he has no family dog his shing ginn gins left him he is broke in his shit that matters that is wild wild and I don't get he had nothing else to prove like

the one knock even though it was a bullshit knock that people had was ah that wasn't really Brady getting those rings it was Belichick it was a system okay he went and got a ring without Belichick right like what the fuck else yeah at a hundred years old at a hundred years old he was old as fuck well he's 42 when he did that

yeah something like that yeah he's fucking 45 bro He's 45 now. But yeah, and that's, I've seen people doing it like, well, he cares about his legacy, all this stuff. And to John's point, he already had the legacy secure. You already have more Super Bowls as an individual than any team has as the history of a team. You have nothing, like, there's nothing for you except just wanting to keep doing it. And I do understand that to some extent.

But like, I don't know, man. But at what cost, though, right? Like if you made a promise to your wife that you were done and you knew that that shit would fracture your marriage if you were you nigged on that and that was the price you were willing to pay, why? For this, for 96 yards in your send off, bro? Bro.

Honestly, bro, if you want a Super Bowl, fuck that. Fuck that. You don't need it. It doesn't benefit. Honestly, like, at this point, he is so far above everybody else. He doesn't even benefit. He doesn't benefit from another Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying?

Come home to your fucking family. It feels mighty. It's time, bro. It's time. It's time. My mom didn't want to let me get away with the way we've been talking about Tom Brady. She said to me when she was out here, she said, you know that marriage was already fucked up. She's like, she's like, that's not funny.

Right. And he still has his kids and all of that. He's good. He's perfectly fine. The house is not cold. But that's also not funny. Correct. You know what I mean?

Correct. All right. I want to ask you guys, John, I know you, you think. about advertising and I do I want to ask you guys about this anyone I don't know if Jackson watched the football games over the weekend I caught pretty much all four of the playoff games or five of the playoff game Saturday Sunday and as was a topic on Twitter the Burger King Corporation is like going out of their way to buy every commercial slot possible and so I literally we're just walking around my house my entire household wapper wapper wapper wapper

Whopper, Wopper, Wopper, like, constantly, because we heard it 400 times last weekend. Now, my family is not a Burger King family. We go to Wendy's, we go to McDonald's. Are there Burger King families? I'm sure there are. They have them, they're somehow affording the commercials, right? My family is not a Burger King family. And so I do understand one purpose of advertisement is engagement and getting people talking about

your product. But there is, they moved it from a zero percent chance. to a zero percent chance that we will go get Burger King this week. What is the difference between advertising and terrorism? Like, all they're doing is just sewing chaos in my household, bro. They're not going to make one fucking dollar back. Like, is the purpose of these, is this like psychological warfare of some kind? Like, John, is there a value to an ad that is not bringing money back that is just making

you miserable? I don't understand what they're doing or what the fucking strategy is. If there's good advertisement, yes. For instance, how McDonald's uses like Travis Scott, bad bunny and whatnot, you know what I'm saying, to kind of get that generation to come

buy McDonald's because they wanted the Travis Scott meal. Also, they sell like merch, sold merch. I actually bought a couple of the, you know what I'm saying? The $100 hoodies that they had at their mall, you know what I'm saying? So like there's good advertisement.

There's ways. But like the gimmicky like repeat the word so much that it's stuck in your head or to make a jingle. That's just annoying. That worked in the fucking 30s in the 40s. You know what I'm saying? What you heard on the radio and shit? Before colored television, before TVs, nigga. Like that's not instant.

That doesn't work with us anymore. Like you have to be creative. Like for instance with how they even like Bieber and Bad Bunny did the shit with a what's, what's, What some shoes I was wearing during the, during the, all the kids wear now. You got the crocs? Crocs, yeah. When they, they were doing that shit, which made crocs like the, like, shit, one of the most popular shoes, you know what I'm saying?

There's, there's ways that it affects people when it's done well. But what Burger King's doing is just annoying. So, yes, I would say it's more akin to terrorism than actual advertisement. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So. I don't appreciate it. That's silly.

That's, I mean, like, dude, just saying it, like, come on, that's cheap, bro. I mean, literally, John, it would be like they'd cut to commercial and three of the commercials would be Burger King commercials, bro. I mean, the thing is, if you, spend more money on the quality of the commercial and not just the spot the commercials being put in. You know what I'm saying? Like, motherfuckers out here make commercials that make niggas. You can make a Burger King commercial that would make me cry.

You know what I'm saying? At this moment in time, it would be quite easy to do so as well. Right. I mean, as emotional as I am, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, but like, they spit it in the wrong way. Let me in 30 seconds write a Burger King commercial that would make John cry. Just show a dad, the mom leaves for the weekend, the dad's got the baby girl by himself. It takes a baby girl to Burger King.

She's excited playing in the ball pit or whatever, and he's sitting there smiling. And then show him taking her to fucking Burger King after she graduates high school. You know what I mean? Rap. I'm fucking, I'm sobbing on the couch. Just add a, my dad dad. before you cut to the, you know what I'm saying? To us eating Burger King at 18 with her graduation join on, you feel me?

Yeah. Nigger, that's going, hey, nigga, I need me a whopper. Need to cry, am I wapper? You ain't got to say Wapper. I'm going to try them up, wapper, wapper, wapper, wapper on the way to get me one. You know what I'm saying? Bet the NFL playoffs with Fandul, where every play is a rush. This weekend, Fanduel is given.

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How many switches you got to flip to reset Carl Malone and get about this. This is like Jurassic Park. Like you got to run through the Raptor pit to fucking get to that shit. to put that disgusting old man back on the grid, bro. This sounded like a threat. Did it not, Tyler, when you read the tweet? I'm glad he's living off the grid, and I think that there's a part of him that knows how much he is despised,

but he knows that Utah is the only, you know, place in the whole NBA landscape that does not despise him. But I feel that we owe it. It is our duty as NBA fans in 2023 with the technology that we have, where we all have our voice to let that motherfucker know how much. much we despise him. We need whatever, you know, whatever types of tweets, posts whatever we need to get out, whenever that motherfucker just comes on, we need to let motherfuckers know who are posting

him whether it's the jazz, whether it's, you know, what fucking, you know, sponsors or whatever, no, this is not that guy. You know what I mean? And it's bigger than basketball. He is a scumbag as a person. You know what I'm saying, flat out. So I don't know how they don't realize how shitty this melted milk dut of a motherfucker is, bro.

everybody on the planet that talks with them except people associated with the NBA know how trash this fucking asshole is right? And it's like every, like it's so wild to me yeah he got buckets

he's the worst human on the planet nigger you know what I'm saying? Like for real like damn fuck that nigga in every language nigga

you know what I'm saying Crazy how they keep bringing this dude up. Like, it's not, like he isn't who he is. Insane, dog. Yeah, but fuck him. We will, Tyler, like you said, I'm following your lead. We on his head. We on the NBA's head.

Let's be on the NBA's head. Like, yo, because Carl Malone know he's trash. You know what I'm saying? We need to be on NBA's head and let them know. This nigga is trash, bro. What fuck is wrong with you? Fuck the male man, dunk. That shit was weak too.

That shit was weak as fuck. You know what I'm saying? L.A. Gere's, bitch. L.A. Gapulte get a catapult. Fuck out of hair. Loop Gossett Jr. Fis.

Nigger, Nigger, Walker, Texas Ranger boot-weigh and ass. You know what I'm saying? Big belt buckle head-ass, hook head-ass, nigger,

Nick. What's wrong with you, man? Shit. God damn. Sheriff Malone. We don't get a fuck about that nigger, dog.

You got ops. Scott. Leet. I'll acknowledge, Braun, DM, and a jackal before I acknowledge Carl Maloney. No, we ain't going to acknowledge that, bro. I don't give a fuck. I'm not acknowledging either one ever.

We can, we can, yeah, we can. Bro, both are not options. Zero percent is not bigger than zero percent. You feel me? All right. This is going to be a little bit of therapy for Tyler and I, but there's a video circulating of, third graders playing basketball, enjoying themselves, having fun, celebrating.

Some would say taunting. And I'm just going to be honest with you. It's a little too spicy for me. I don't like it. I don't like this movement in youth sports. I guarantee I spend more time around youth sports than most media members as a father of two. It is like, here's the thing. The celebration, like, if you talk about baseball, you talk about basketball, whatever.

Celebration is great. Emotion is great. I'm pro that in all sports. These kids are not actually celebrating, bro. Like, it's just, like, ritualistic in the same way that kids used to be taught that they weren't allowed to celebrate. There's no joy in most of what these kids are doing. But so many kids feel like, oh, this is the emote in my fucking video game that I play. So I have to do this thing at another kid.

and I don't like it with little kids. I really genuinely do not like the shit. And I don't know. I coach youth teams. I'd never be like, don't be happy about doing something good. I would never say that to a kid ever in my life. But when you have like seven year old kids showing up a pitcher or whatever,

it's like, bro, who the fuck are you? You are also that little kid, bro. Be nice to that little kid. You are a little fucking kid, bro. it's it's like I told you I hate it how much I hated it more than I actually hated it if it makes sense you know what I mean yes a parallel I can draw here one time um my got some was 15 you know he just had his permit he asked if he could you know push the whip I said sure you know we could do that we can you know so he gets in the car he's driving with one hand on the wheel I tell him

bro both hands on the wheel man and I went at that moment I I felt so old and unhip, but this is the same shit here, bro. You have to learn the fundamentals. You have to learn the basics before you do all that hot dog and shit. You are eight years old, bro. John hates us right now. Look at John.

Look at what John hates us right. Look, you are eight years old. Learn to shoot off the right foot, you know, when you take a layoff. Get your fucking form on your jumper somewhat right. You know what I mean? Like, that's my whole shit. I don't mind the shit. I love shit talking.

But at eight years old, you doing the too small to another eight year old. bro, that motherfucker might be taller than you next year. You know what I'm saying? Growth spurts haven't even been done yet. It's just, bro, you got to go through puberty before you do the too small of somebody. I'm sorry.

Like, you gotta be able to double knot your own fucking shoes before you could call someone a baby. And it made me think, I would probably, I feel like middle school age is probably the age where I'm fine with all the hot dog and in celebrating and shit

because, you know, shit is, you know, you've got a solid foundation there. You kind of know the game, you're up a bit. You know, you can talk your shit there, but eight years old, bro. Like, I don't know, man.

Like I said, I hate how it makes me feel. Like I said, I was feeling a Republican as fuck with some of the adults I was having about that shit, man. I didn't care about the left hand on the left side, left layup on the left side type shit. You know what I mean? Like, for me it was more like it was kids imitating an adult, imitating adults in a way that made them seem older than what they were. You know what I mean? Like, I don't mind. kids, you know, talking little shit and all that.

But when it comes to like, when kids are imitating adults in ways and make them seem like they're not kids, that's where I'm like, bro, let these, these niggas just need to be kids. Just go out here and really have fun. I don't, the fact that it means, that a layup means enough to them

where there's shit. Like, dog, I went here to lay up and be like, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't care enough about basketball to talk shit to somebody at an elementary. elementary school, you know what I mean? Like, you know, so like, if I missed the layup, I'd be frustrated at myself like, damn, bro, you could have got that two points. You could have got eight

points instead of six. You know what I mean? In this 15-minute basketball game, you know what I'm saying? But like, yeah, that's, that's what bothered me is like, it's kids imitating an adult, imitating adults in ways and make them seem like they're not, they're losing a bit of their childhood a little bit. Because it shouldn't be that, basketball shouldn't mean that much to them at that age. You know, it should just purely be fun. You know, but when you're eight, like, dude, that's what third grade? When you see a whole team of third grade eight year olds doing the same celebrations after stuff, like they've been, like that's just part of what they're being coached to do it. And that's the part that I don't like is an adult is telling them to do that shit. You know what I mean?

It didn't look spontaneous. It just looked like, make a three and then do this. Make a layup, then do this. You know what I mean? And that's the part that I didn't like about, especially because this shit's different than the fucking pros, bro. You don't need to do that in another eight-year-old's face. You just don't need to do that shit. And I tell kids on our teams, baseball, basketball, whatever, you know, I think a big part of what I'm, one of the things you're trying to teach kids is how to deal with having shitty referees,

stuff like that, right? I really do believe in the benefit of youth sports for teaching some of that stuff. And I tell our kids all the time, you haven't earned the right to complain about the officiating, bro. Like, you're a fucking eight-year-old kid. You're still double dribbling. Right, right. Like, of course the refs suck.

You know what I mean? Because you suck. You're going to say that, obviously, but you know what I mean? No, no, no, I did. I told the best kid on our basketball team. And he said, he's like, well, he literally said he's like, Bronc, he's a huge Lakers fan. He's like, Braun complains about the reps. I said, well, you're getting paid to play basketball.

You can expect to be officiated by professionals. Right. But like, you're a little kid, bro. I told him, and he's good, too. I was like, you're not good enough to expect the officials to be professional, bro. Nobody is because nobody is, because no little kid is. Right. And the more energy you waste on, you know, being upset about officials or whatever, the worst you're going to play or whatever else. But like that's part of what it is. And like you said, express your emotion genuinely, not in a way that's like, you know, you're just imitating someone or whatever else. Also, I coach my little brother in third. That's a funny dutty shit we're ever going to say. I coach my little brother in like third and fourth grade. And in third grade, he was like around eight years old. And I remember like him getting down on himself at times. I'm like, bro, just have fun.

And I couldn't imagine some coach, nigger, shit might not have been sweet, bro. Some coach telling their kids are like, my little brother, you know, like, that's what he, that's who's coaching these kids. Like, that's who's, like, the teams he's playing.

Right. I coached by, like, you, Mike. You know what I'm saying? Me at 19. You know what I'm saying? Like, and this fucking 40-year-old is telling, nigga. Hey, Jeremy, Cody, pull up.

And the whole thing is, you know, Will, hey, nigger, I need. Nick, you feel me? Jabari, nigger. And the whole thing is, this shit was recorded too, bro. Like, who is recording eight-year-old's hooping? You know what I mean? It kind of goes, I don't know if y'all saw that clip Austin Rivers had about how.

Talk about it. About, you know, Austin Rivers was talking about, you know, when he was coming up, if you had a mix, tape you were that guy you know what I'm saying it was like you know there was the john wall mix tape which is perhaps the best fucking mix tape of all time it was the fucking you know Austin rivers mix tape he was a bad motherfucker there was the Akil car I don't know if y'all hit him five foot five kid out of Baltimore he was ridiculous uh you know seventh woods had a crazy mixtape too but now it's like everyone has a mixtape everyone knows that you know

all eyes are on them everyone knows everything is content everyone knows that you know you can have your moment if you get a bucket you know talk your shit too because that's what goes viral now and it's like I don't know man it's you know what also river said was you had to be the guy to have you know a fucking film crew back then but now it's right right right everywhere well let me but but let me speak on this let me argue against my own profession for a minute so when jj and i started covering sports in long beaches was 2007 2008 and what made us different the reason that we've been successful in long beaches we were doing highlight videos from football basketball baseball soccer, volleyball, 2007, 2008.

We were the only camera at every game that we were at. We have video of Damar de Rosen throwing the ball off the backboard to himself and dunking in a game, the only camera in the gym. You cannot imagine a world now. If Damar de Rosen, if a prospect when he was 18 years old was playing a high school basketball game, there'd be 30 cameras in the gym every single time, right?

And what happened was people saw, Oh, these guys did it, Demar de Rose and mixtape. Well, what they're not thinking is what I think we thought when we were kids, which is I wish I was good enough to get a mixtape. What they're thinking or what their parents are thinking is, if I get my kid a mixtape, he'll be that good. It's completely flipped everything around, right? And the availability of cameras,

the people in the profession who are trying to get a leg up, and no disrespect to the people out there filming highlights for just the fact that we happen to be older. I'm not saying that we're like better to be doing it or something. But it is true that it's completely changed to where we were the only journalist in Southern California really filming anything in high school when we started out 15 years ago. And now we're paying high school kids to do this shit because they can film and edit on their phone better than people who would come to us with college degrees and shit.

It's just so ingrained in what everyone's doing. But I do think it's backwards because it should be a reward. attention should be a reward. That's evolutionarily how our species was designed. But now we've sort of flattened that out to where you spread it across everybody. And I think if you look at the mental health of teenagers and the studies about that, I think it's obvious that it's not good. Like it hasn't been an improvement to society to do that.

That's what I was thinking. Like it's dangerous enough for high schools. But if we have eight, nine, 10 year olds who are moving. in ways where like, hey, this will get me viral. And then adults sharing the content, you know what I'm saying? Pushing that, you know what I'm saying? Idea that, yeah, you know, hey, you know, but this got so many views. There's people that do middle school, there's people that do middle school, elementary

school rankings, bro. Yeah. There's people right now who tell you, here's my class of 2040 rankings for for fucking second grade basketball players. Like, they're, I mean, and they make money doing it because the parents want to be able to say, look, my kid is ranked. I'm trying to get him into this. this middle school.

I'm trying to get him. Like, it's, it's fucked up, bro. Like, it's problematic as hell, man. Yeah.

I think so. I mean, I, I really do. I don't say that lightly. And I recognize there's fucking bigger problems in the world, obviously,

but it is a little bit of a like, I don't know. I don't know if eight year olds should feel like they're on stage all the time. I don't think that's maybe the healthiest way for them to grow up. Think about this. And they, we were, we still had recess at eight.

You know what I'm saying? We still had, I mean, this is like, you know, like, this is the age in which these kids are. You know what I mean? Like, we still had recess, bro. I was, I was playing, what, four square and shit? You all remember that shit? Yes. You know what I mean?

Like, we was doing, like, we was just chilling. We went home and played with our homies. You know what I mean? Like, whether, whatever, we would hoot. We would sometimes just fight, set up fights. We just fight each other. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean?

Like, just regular shit that kids did. You know, create jumps on our bikes. that might hurt each other, but might not, you know what I mean? Like, it's just trampolines. Like, this is the shit that you're doing at that age. And these kids are worrying about the internet. Like, like, as if it's a job, going out to get this content.

Like, bro, like, I just, I truly just wish kids could be kids and just not give a fuck about none of the shit that we care about because being a child is such a quick. It's so shit. Right. I remember, I remember at, like, 23, I was talking to my homie.

lunch table, we was at school in college. And the homie said, bro, you're only a kid for such a short period of time. Like, you're an adult for so long. And that was the first time I'd ever thought that like, damn, I'm 23. So I was like a kid five years ago. You know what I'm saying? And I'm thinking like, damn, I'm going to be adult for hellless. You know what I'm saying?

And so like, I just want these kids, I just want kids had an opportunity to be kids for, you know what I'm saying? and try to, you know, like high school shit starts changing. You know what I mean? Start thinking a little different. But like, damn, you eight years old and you're thinking about engagement? Like, godly, bro, you're going to have enough time to think about that shit in the future, bro, as an adult. You know what I mean?

And all these other. And I do. And I want to just hop in there and say this is not just off this, like, basketball clip. This is something I've just noticed as a dad that, like, you know, Vinny's friends, like, they talk about creating YouTube channels and how many subscribers are going to have and stuff like that. That really is, like. That's cool to me. because that could be something they do when they're older.

Because I mean, we talk about our jobs and shit. But, but, but, but this is, like, this is this sort of tricky thing where, and as you guys know,

like, I am never, ever, ever someone who's like, our generation did it right. Like, we grew up when kids, you know,

like, whatever. My better person on the planet was like Snoop or fucking Tupac, nigga like. For sure. And so,

but like, I think about that with screen time a lot. We have a lot of friends who are like very extreme about their kids with screen time. And I always kind of

challenge him on it. Like, do you remember how we felt about the kids whose parents didn't let them watch the Simpsons or play video games? Like, right. You have to be realistic about the world you're raising your kid in and the world you're raising your kid in is a world where what are they going to talk to kids about. Now, my, you know, they play Foursquare and stuff, but they talk about the videos that they watch and shit. Like, that's what their culture is, you know? And so you have to be respectful of that while also thinking about like, what's the difference between, okay, I wanted to be a writer when I was in second grade. So I was making these little books or comic books or whatever.

So they want to be content creators. That's who they see as entertainers. They don't give a fuck about Ryan Seacrest or whoever the fuck is on TV, on network TV. They'd see, okay, these are the kids that are making videos. These are the teenagers making videos. So that's who they want to be. We had kids, I think I told you all this last baseball season. We had two kids on our team who, what they did was they did a fake podcast every practice.

At the end of practice, they'd be interviewing the kids. if they were funny as fuck but like that's what they wanted to be because that to them was the same as us wanting to be a radio DJ or a rapper or something right that's so that's so that's and I think that's there's some of that is okay this is the world they're growing up in so that makes sense right right right is the problem is you actually can get that exposure when you're an eight year old you know on Twitter or whatever your parents made a YouTube so they can make some money off you opening presents or whatever the fuck it is and that to me is that to me is that to me is the danger because when I was trying to figure out how to be a writer, when you were writing

your bike, we didn't have the world watching us. We could figure that shit out in private in our neighborhood with our friends. I think, I'm thinking about this, man. I remember being a kid and wanted to be a child actor. Not because I actually cared about acting, because I wanted all the fly-ass shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, I wanted the, I didn't want to just be circling shit in East Bay and not having a bread to get it or having to mow a line to get one pair of shoes for the year. You know? I'm saying. So, like, I wanted to be there.

And so, like, but it was very few people that had those opportunities to get that type of bread at that young and have the world looking at it. A lot of times it didn't turn out that well for most of them, you know what I mean? And I think for these, in the age groups that, like, up until high school

with people, there's more. But I mean, like, I think like in middle school, the elementary school, it's still the, it's probably a similar amount of people that are getting that type of, you know what I'm saying? Even with, like, YouTube and all that stuff available, But, yeah, for me, it's like, I mean, it's smart because they're preparing for the world. They're not, they should be preparing for the world we grew up in.

You know what I'm saying? You know, like, they should be preparing for the world they're going to grow up in or the world that they see right now at least because it's going to change five times before they become, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's just, it's how do we, how do you manage that? You know what I mean? How do you manage that without being like, I remember seeing Kevin on stage, he would bring his kids to work sometimes. And I remember his sons would watch other people play football. video games. And I was like, what the fuck? Why would they? Like, that's crazy. Like, watching the Twitter and stuff like that. This is on YouTube. This is a, because this is a,

you can go on YouTube back in the day. Yeah. You still, you still do that. There's people show like, you know, hey on call, Kyle, this is how I approach, you know. Right. And so until I got on Twitch and I was like, oh, you know what I'm saying, I started understanding it, you know what I mean. So I want to be able to, you know, let Somi, whoever, you know, approach the world that they, in a way that they should, that are prepared them for whatever they want to do. But how do we do that was still, you know, kind of monitoring, sure they don't, you know, have the same struggles. A lot of these people with the, I mean, mental health,

if you just, you're not engaging with people? Do you remember, do you remember at the end of summer, like, I can't wait to go to school? Because Benicia going to be in there, Jaquetta going to be there, you know what I'm saying? My homie Chris going to be there. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to really get to engage with my niggas

and I don't really get to see like that, you feel? Tyler couldn't wait to get dropped off for preschool of the fucking first day, bro. Right, right, right. Because you're going to be hanging with your niggas. You know what I'm saying? And so like I remember thinking that, you know, even in high school, but like now, like, because the way they engage, like, I don't know, it's just, it's just so different. It's just so different, bro. It's like, it's online. It's online. And I think there's something not healthy about that, you know, really that type of engagement, you know.

It's a really unique thing with, you know, Gen Z. And even with younger millennials where it is normal for you to spotlight yourself. You know what I? I mean, like, you know, like, like I've seen the conversation on Twitter all the time. Like, you know, I'm on a dating site. And this guy doesn't have, you know, an Instagram red flag. What is he trying to hide? You know, who is this person? Because having an Instagram. Right.

That is normal, you know, for that age group. You were supposed to, you know, put yourself on display to a certain degree. And, you know, it's going back to what you said, John. It's like, when does the, you know, when does, you know, displaying yourself, when does it cross into the line of being performative, of maybe even being borderline phony where that's not really you, but you just got to keep up with it because this is the norm for your generation.

You know what I mean? So that's a balance that these younger folks have to walk that that I don't know if I could have walked because y'all know me. I don't give a fuck about pictures, Instagram, none of that shit. They'd probably thought I was a weirdo, you know, if I was fucking, you know, 10, 15 years younger.

You'd be different too. I mean, you'd be different to some extent. I don't know if you'd be on Instagram, but if you grew up now, you know what I mean? Like the world would be different around you to an extent that your place as the same person would probably be in a different spot. You know what I mean?

My little brother, my youngest brother, he's 16 now. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. But anyway, he's 16 now. Remember when he had a banana on his lip, asking me to stay home, but now he's 16. Big as fuck, almost my height. So feet, hands bigger than mine, though. He's going to be huge.

But anyway, so he has a very small social imprint. He don't fuck with Twitter. He's on Snap. He has, like, three pictures on his Instagram. And he'll delete him. You know what I'm saying? That's an average teenager in love. And he's that niggard in high school.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I remember at the wedding, you know what I'm saying? Like he was looking at Snapchat shit. You feel I'm saying? Like people, he was getting images. I couldn't look. It is unlawful for me to look at a Snapchat.

You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, because he would like what he was, you know, like. But I would say that's a normal teenager. You know what I'm saying? That's the cool thing, though, having like a clean Instagram feed. If you're a teenager now with like maybe one picture, maybe two pictures. Yeah, yeah.

And they're stuffing your stories or stuff on Snapchat, but there's nothing permanent. Yeah, yeah. Because I do think the next generation is starting to pull back from what Tyler just talked about. They're seeing people who are 18 through 30, whatever, and going, these motherfuckers keep losing their jobs over this shit. Yes, yes, yes, yes, or get it caught up or whatever. Now, the downside of that is, you know, I mean, there's a fucking million downside.

of it. And what's wild is all of this exists so that like four social media companies could be worth a trillion dollars. All these challenges in how you raise kids with strong mental health and a good sense of self and all this other shit. Like, yeah, bro,

it's, I don't know. It's fucked up. I'm going to be honest with you. It's fucked up. Anyway, wow, that was a long segment on those kids doing celebrations in their eight-year-old basketball. I mean, it got the serious worries from old men. Yeah. Thanks.

Okay, last thing we want to talk about, Tyler, Tyler had some tweets about Boston's VORP when it comes to their racism efficiency. Bro, I do not understand Bostonians for a number of reasons. But one of my biggest reasons is, you know, whenever the stories, you know, the accusations of Boston being a racist city, you know, go out there. they defend their city in a way where they don't deny that it's racist, but they point the finger like, well,

yeah, well, how would you feel if we called your city racist? You know what I mean? And I just do not understand that line of reasoning, you know, for a number of fucking reasons. Because for one,

if you're saying your city isn't as racist as everyone makes it, make it out to be, what the fuck do you gain from that? Like, you know, what do you gain from that? Because you're basically saying, we don't have,

you know, the extreme racism. We just have, you know, the subtle racism. You know, you're like, you're like, Guthr over here. He doesn't want black people to, you know, experience genocide. He just doesn't want y'all living next door to him. Come on. Like, Guthr's not that bad guys. Like, what the fuck do is gained from that? You know what I mean? So I will never understand Bostonians, you know, because they're in denial. They fucking downplay the shit. And, and for one, they called Marcus Smart. Mark is smart. Mark is smart.

Gets hit with the N-word. That dude takes charges. He shoots threes. He plays defense. And that man got called the Hard R. Leaving a home game, bro. He is Mr. Grit and Grind. You know what I'm saying?

Yes. Everything that Boston, white-ass Boston love, he plays basketball like a white man's dream. You know what I'm saying? Takes charges, shoots three. This is how black people should play basketball. You know what I'm saying?

That man, the hard R. Look, bro. Boston is different. And like I said, I do not understand defending your city on some weird. Not that racist shit. Because what the fuck is the point of that? Like I said, bro, this shit is not like the Buffalo Wild Wing's spicy thermometer. If somebody says your city is like spicy hot saracha, what do you gain by saying, no,

we're just like honey barbecue, you know, racist. We're not, you know, ghost pepper racist. What the fuck is the point, dog? Why? I see so many niggers walking by me not being called nigger. Only a couple. I've only seen a couple Negroes called nigger

A couple colored Called out of their name And this all stem from that fucking God awful MLK statute That's where the conversation came from I actually love the artist I have a book From the from the artist

Bro in my I think it's photography though But yeah I hate it Just like photographs of big beefy dicks Or what's Big Hors That is a hog.

MLK just swinging left to right. Dog. You have a photography book called Fat Hogs. Fat hogs. Of course I do. Duh. If it's Suss, it's me. I am Mr. Suss.

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