The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jenkins and Jonez - The Great Fruit Debate w/ Mina Kimes

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

The guys discuss everything connected to the Draymond Green-Jordan Poole incident and how everyone can proceed from here. Then they talk about Stephen A. Smith’s tweet, Brian Robinson’s bounce back, and Russell Wilson being the worst before welcoming on Mina Kimes to have an in depth debate about fruit. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Tuesday, October 11th. You already missed a great podcast. I'm going to be fucking awesome. That was some good content, baby. They won't make it. We got a great show for you today. We're talking about the Dream on Green craziness. We're talking about Stephen A. Smith,

at least Stephen A. Smith alone. And we're also having on legendary interview, Mina Kimes, one of our favorite people in sports media, to talk about everything other than sports, specifically ranking fruits and snacks. So very excited to kick off the distinguished speakers, having undistinguished conversations. speaker series.

Very smart people talking about dumb shit. There you go. That's our brand, baby. As always, Jenkins and Jones, hosted by my buddies, Legetro Jenkins,

aka John. What's that, Bubbas? Dragonfly Jones, aka Tyler. Hey, everybody. How's again? I'm Gardie B.

A.k.a. Mike. Tyler, I almost forgot your fucking Twitter name for a second there. That's how... How dare you? How dare you? He was going to say Dragonfly Jones, and then he forgot and said,

LeJethro Jenkins and then remember it and then said you because I heard the hiccum. That's high key true. And I was about saying and then there's Tyler and then I was like, wait a minute, don't I have to say some other shit? It's a tough situation. All right, but before we start a horror night, so 3 a.m. G. It's possible. Irresponsible. Looking for my family, bro.

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There was a reaction to the video. There was the reporting by our good friend Marcus Thompson about the reaction to the video being leaked. There was Draymond's apology, press conference. And let's just start with the video. Obviously hit the internet. 10 seconds is pretty, I mean, it's a pretty insane 10 seconds. What was you guys first thought watching the video? Dremont went too fucking far.

Like, it's that simple. And I want to be clear, you know, this is not a violence is not the answer podcast. You know, all three of us believe, yeah, all three of us firmly believe that violence is often the answer in certain situations, right? And I'm a firm believer too that sometimes ain't shit that can, if some homies got some static, there's nothing besides a squabble that can, you know, iron some shit outside. Yeah, right, right. I got a funny-ass story about my homie's fighting too. I'll tell y'all after this, but I'll share it with the class later. but but but this shit was was bro it was it was too fucking far like you know and and and everyone who are

who's defending draymond is like well you know he pushed him what should he expected bro first of all draymond walked up on that man he initiated all right and second of all it's it's it's it's a different dynamic with teammates rather than like a stranger at the bar like if a stranger gets in your shit at the bar you push him of course you should be uh prepared for it's it's a different dynamic with basketball bro shit talking followed by a little shove that is routine shit in basketball that we rarely see return with punches. And that shit was just not normal. That was not a normal reaction, not

in the realm of basketball. Bro, like, if you're in a bar, you got to make sure you get home, right? You know what I'm saying? There's safety there. So somebody push you. You swing on them because you try to make sure you get to the crib. I ain't got no time. I don't know who the fuck you are. You're a stranger. I'm going to knock your ass out and take my ass to the crib.

I ain't no time for the fuck shit. Bro, Jordan Pool is 70 pounds lighter than this motherfucker. And he knows he ain't about that shit, for real, bro. Jordan Poole pushed him because the man got in his face. Jordan didn't want none of that shit. It was completely unnecessary to hit him like that. And then also Jordan Poole was looking away hands by his

waist and he steals off on him. That's fuck shit in my opinion. You know what I'm saying? Like you ain't even square off with the man. You feel what I'm saying? Like, bro, he was pushing to get space. Right. Like, bro, you're in my face. He made him push him. You feel what I'm saying? So, dog, I just, I don't, there's just no excuse for it. There's just

no excuse for it, dog. And like you said, sometimes you got to punch a motherfucker. That wasn't a situation too. And in a video prior, he was talking about how Jordan Poole talks shit and how he likes that shit. You know what I mean? That's how he knew he was made for the league. Right. Made for the league.

So now when it's other way around, you want to punch the motherfucker in the face, that makes me think there's something else. You know what I mean? It can't just to be about this situation because that doesn't make no damn sense to me. There have been some reporting that there was like shit talk and then Jordan Poole pushed Dremont

and then Dremont punched Jordan Poole. That made me envision the events happening a certain kind of a way. And the video played out a very different way. Because when you hear there was shit talk and then Jordan Poole push Dremont, you assume that Jordan Poole is the one who's sort of initiating it, right? That he's moving towards Dremon.

When you watch the video, you can almost see the moment when Dremon decides, all right. Because the way he walks him down is forcing him to push him because if he doesn't, he's going to be pinned against the fucking wall

in about two seconds. So he pushes him like, all right, man, that's a fucking enough, like, quit playing. And then like you say, looks away, like,

all right, like, well, I'm not trying to get into, any shit with Drainwahn. I'm just trying to talk shit in practice or whatever. And then to fuck his, I mean, look, there's been a lot of argument on Twitter about what constitutes a sucker punch or not, bro. You punch a man who's not looking at you to me. Sorry, that's a fucking sucker punch. And especially when you, especially when you know you have heavy fucking mitts like

Dremont does, you leave your back foot like Mookie Betz swinging for the fucking fences with perfect form. And he knew in the moment he hit him too hard because he also caught him before he could fall down and hit his head on the wall. Because that could have been some ugly shit, dog. And look, I don't, I don't want to, I mean, like you said, this is a, we are not an anti-violence podcast. But you sock, you sock someone in their face as hard as that you can when they're not paying attention.

A teammate? Unintended, unintended shit comes of that, right? Yeah. That's where we needed Judd Apatoe with, with what he could have killed him, comment, right? Like, that would have been applicable there. Also, someone said that Dremont knocked homey out and then grabbed me before he hit the ground, like he was an action movie star, taking out a tower of bad guys, which was funny as fuck. But yeah, man, it's, yeah, that was some real dangerous shit, man.

That was, like, that was not a routine basketball scuffle, bro. And people want to talk about, you know, these his grown men and all that shit. Well, when another grown man tried his ass and Delilah, where was that at? You feel me? You know what I'm saying? Have you got heavy mitts? Why don't you use them with another heavy nigger? You feel what I'm saying?

Like, bro, that's some bully shit. You feel me? So, hey, I, I, I, I don't really fuck with that. I don't really fuck with a motherfucker that's your size fucking with you. And then you punch a motherfucker that's 70 pounds lighter than you on some, on some, like, like, you know, that ain't, that ain't it, bro. That ain't it, dog. I think the other thing that it just, I mean, it just, it sucks for everyone involved,

obviously that the video got out. But it was like simultaneous to this reaction of like, damn, I'm really bummed out. Because I like, I like Dremont a lot. I was bummed out by the video just as a someone who's a fan. of his and the way he moves like on and off the court. It also sucks for Jordan Poole, who like, I mean, that's just a shitty day on Twitter, bro. But someone tweeted something about you got knocked out in front of the pitches, like, in front of the bad.

The baddies were watching. It sucks, bro. It's the whole thing fucking sucks. I had one hitting me up that I never talked about basketball ever. Same. Said shit talking about Jordan Poole. I'm like, damn, he really got knocked out in front of the baddies. Everybody's seen this.

People who weren't on Twitter. saw that video within 30 minutes of it going up. That's when you know shit. It's just like a Facebook had the video. Holy shit. Meta. What's you reach? The depths of Facebook. It's over for you, though.

But yeah, I'm just, I'm just interested at where they go from here with Dremont because there's going to come a point. I mean, you can say we're there now. where Draymond's production does not match, you know, what they're paying him. But Draymond is in a unique situation where he's very well aware.

Everyone in the league is very well aware that his worth is max. His value is maximized in go to state where it will not be with any other team. Right. So he's got that working for him. But look, if the Warriors want it out, if they want to get from under that, you know, you can flat out trade that man. You won't lose them in the all season for nothing. So I'm sure that's probably a discussion that's being a discussion that's being

had right now. And also for for for draymond from a career perspective like I think we all envisioned draymond being the old head who was going to be the the mentor to the young guys when he's not the productive guy on the court. What does where does he go with that from now? Like this is a major black eye on that on his resume in regards to that next step that he wanted to take. But I don't know maybe maybe he'll bounce back from this. Maybe he'll work through it. But like I said, this is a real big black eye on that resume in regards to that next step he was going to take. I mean, and then we're looking at the future of the Warriors. Jordan Poole is a future of the Warriors.

You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a future. You know what I mean? He got all about to get 150 of them things. You know what I'm saying? And if, like, if I'm Jordan Poole, I'm never going to fuck with a respect to motherfucker that did me like that. You know what I'm saying?

Like, and if it comes to who's, like, who needs to be, if I'm asked a question of, do I want this man to say? Come on, bro. If it's me or him, it's Jordan Poole,

you know what I'm saying? Like, if it's Jordan Poole of Drey Mon is Jordan Poo, gee. So, like, for sure i can see them conversations being had because you know draymond is being he's a hall of famer you know the defensive player the year uh multiple time all-star all of that he ain't that right now you know i mean if you're looking for the future you know we appreciate you but jordan pool is that so i hey i could definitely see them conversations being had and if i'm jordan pool i want them

conversations to be out because i never fuck with that dude again ain't no damn way if i'm jordan pool let's talk about um let's talk about the the leak itself before we get to draymond's apology and that I really want to talk about Marcus Thompson's piece and Steph Curry's comments in that piece. The video leaked, you know, it got to TMZ. TMZ is who pays money for that stuff, obviously, and they pay a lot of money. There were a lot of conspiracy theories flying around the day that it dropped, like, you know, the Warriors had done this intentionally, whatever else. Like, I just want to say the math is easy as fuck, especially if you know people who work in pro sports at the bottom tier level. Those are minimum wage jobs.

jobs. Someone who's making under $50,000 a year had access to that video. And I guarantee TMZ is offering that person at least a year's salary to leak the fucking video. So a lot of these people don't give a fuck about basketball. If you, I mean, again, like a ton of my friends from high school were ushers at Staples Center and shit afterward. Like a lot of them didn't give a fuck about Shaq and Cote. It's just like it's easy work to do. You can set your own schedule. You could do it as a side hustle when you're working another job or you're going to college, whatever. And someone has access to that video room that put this shit out there. This is not fucking Steve Kerr, Bobbliners, like trying to undercut Draymond. This is just, in my opinion, simple,

$50,000, $100,000, whatever. So I saw one report said that TMZ for videos that get this many plays is paid up to a million dollars for footage like this. Like this is simple transaction. And quite frankly, is something that pro sports teams are going to have to figure out with the way they fucking treat lower level employees if they don't want there to be leaks like this shit. Because I would have leaked the fuck out of that video. I'm making $40,000 a year trying to live in the Bay Area right now, bro. That math is easy as fuck. I love basketball.

And that motherfucker would have been in their hands before the night was up. You fucking kidding me? I can watch that shit on TV. I ain't got to be in a damn arena for the type of money they talk. about, come on, man. Like you said, it's easy, man. I will say this, though. I don't believe that the Warriors leaked it, but I will say the one thing that works to your credit, if you're a Warriors leaked a conspiracy there is, is there's no sound on it, right? Because if, you know, there's reports saying that, that Jordan

Poole said, you know what it is in regards to, you know, I'm going to get extended and get that bag and, you know, take some money from you. Like, that was the implication there. So, like, if the Warriors did leak that and they took the audio out, because that makes that situation messy for the Warriors, you know, that contract shit talking. But this just makes Draymond look bad. But I don't believe the Warriors did it. But like I said, if you wanted to be a Warriors League,

the conspiracy theory, I think that is like what you hang your hat on. I think it's more likely someone's in a, in a video closet, playing it, muted, filming it with their phone. But yes, for sure. I mean, obviously, because that exchange, I mean, depending on how down the rabbit hole of fucking, you know, masculinity politics you are. that the words exchange prior obviously were important also if you know what it is like still

doesn't result that dude get your game up gee getting the lab my nigger like you feel me like like you know what it is that's some other shit let me let me let me flip the order here actually because i think that that that perfectly plays into marcus thompson's um excellent story for the athletic if you haven't read it specifically talking about yeah and shout out to marg's been on the show we we all love him um he's literally tyler's dog. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's my dog. Yeah. For real, for real. Um, but he, you know what? The, um, the, the screenshot of this that was really going

around was also, I agree the part of the, um, the article that was most impactful was talking about like the concept of the big homie. And you said it, that's what Draymond was headed towards, right? You're going to be Draymond green, ferocious defender, rebounder, score, transition into being the big homie, transition into being Charles Barkley Jr. Right? Like that's the that's the 50 year plan for Dremont. And when you stock this shit out of an up-and-comer, not because he was stepping to step for something, but because he was taking money out of your pocket, that's not big only fucking behavior, bro. That's, I mean, like, that's devious, honestly. You know what I mean? Like, that's the opposite of being the protector or being the guy who's like the mentor figure. So that that was like, I thought Marcus hit it on the head. And obviously, he had some quotes from from step that were some you know honestly surprising to me but what did you guys think of the piece and and uh sort of the behind the scenes view that he gave it was a phenomenal piece you know like i tweeted out that there's no one whose opinion on this i'd rather even

marcus right because marcus is is i think this whole situation you know um besides marcus you know it showed the value of beat reporters right like the golden state has has some of the best beat reporters in the league and they've all been doing a great job you know markets especially But yeah, it was a really good piece that, you know, of course, explored the dynamics of, you know, like I mentioned, of what they were expecting from Draymond moving forward, you know, as he kind of enters, you know, the latter years of his career as being the big home and being the OG. And now, you know, that reputation is like in the balance now. But there was a quote from Steph that really stuck out to me when when Steph said, you know, I want to be clear, JP didn't do anything that warranted this. And that quote might sound benign in a vacuum, but Steph is a really guarded dude who does not let us in family business. You know what I'm saying?

Like he gave us the cliche, yeah, this is what happens. You know, tempers, flair, we'll get through this. We're a family. He gave us all that cliche shit. But for him to flat out say, Draymond was wrong. We don't, like I said, he's a guarded dude who doesn't let us in like that. I thought that was a very fucking big quote from stuff. He doesn't take sides.

And he clearly took a side here with this. You know what I'm saying? That quote was big. But yeah, man, I mean, the piece was great. You know what I mean? And the behind the scenes of it and reading about like the big homie shit. Because that big home, like, bro, you could be the big homie. to your fucking 40, dog.

So you might not get that bag up front, but you can be that big homie than the bitch. We saw that. Udonus ain't playing basketball in seven years. Bro, that nigga ain't, bro, he don't do shit in the off season. He'd probably be on the boat, chilling.

You know what I mean? But he'd a big homie. He's respected and he's love. You know what I'm saying? And that's where Draymond was head. But when you knocking out of 20 for your 70 pounds lighter than you, dog, like, bro, you know what I'm saying? That's not big homie behavior at all.

So, hey, man, you know, we'll see what happens. But I love the people. I love the piece. I, you know, I also think that that transition from being up-and-comer, ferocious competitor to being a mentor, that actually is a real life parallel to sports that I think a lot of people experience. And I've gone through that in my career. I make, you know, one-one millionth what NBA players make.

But I also think that kind of makes it more realistic because someone taking money out of my pocket is a little different than someone taking money out of a multi-billionaire's pocket. And like when I was an up-and-coming sports writer in Longer, Long Beach, I was like the most, I was like, like, annoyingly competitive. Like, I'm on kill mode. I want to cover everything. I'm going to work 80 hours a week. No one's breaking a story over me, all this other shit.

I'm almost 40. No one's working harder than Mark, Mike Gardnerbosso. Like posting on Facebook. And Michael. Just finishing work 2.30 in the morning. Like these old ass fucking sports writers went to bed four hours ago. I'll sleep when I'm dead, you clown. So I'm almost 40 now.

And it took me a couple years in my mid-30s to, realize if I'm treating 23 year olds the way that I treated 50 year olds when I was 23, I'm a fucking prick because my job when someone comes up to me and tells me, man, I've been reading your stuff since I was a kid. My dad, like, whatever, whatever. It's my job to be a mentor to that person. It's my job to open a door for that. But it's not my job to kill everyone younger than me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's not like that's for Vikings or Game of Thrones or some shit. That's not for being a professional who's a good person in the way.

the way that I think Draymond is and considers himself to be. You know what I mean? And there just has to be that switch. And I think that's the thing that makes this potentially being at root about jealousy so much darker. You know what I mean? That was kind of my takeaway from it. Yes, yes, for sure. And I'm talking about us like, bro, we old as fuck, you know what I mean?

And we, we doing our thing at the moment, you feel me? But like, we came from like, we was doing this shit for free, talking on fucking, you know, through fucking, you know, through fucking. and people said Campbell soup cans and shit, you feel me? But like when people ask it to Pupon, do we ever be like, okay, this is, you know, like, this is beneath us. But they have eight followers, bro.

Okay. Well, maybe we, I know it's a long shot, but no, it's not a long shot, nigga. Bro, we, we are, we want to help out the young. But I think similarly when people say, like, you know, look, people say nice stuff to us. And I think all three of us have the same reaction of like, our podcast.

You know what I mean? Like, what do you mean? Our podcast meant something to you. We don't feel, you know what I mean? But when people say that to you, and if you are, like, and in Dremont's case, when you are, like, saying that about yourself, that this is the role you want on the team, that comes with the responsibility that's a different moral thing than just being a guy who's, like, shopping and Target, you know, like, it comes with responsibility. And he sort of, I don't know, he kind of threw that away, in my opinion. We would never do. Never. I just said somebody for genuine love for people that are coming up and want them to fucking win.

I couldn't imagine looking at somebody. I mean, dude, like, there's, you know, there's... I mean, it's mostly family. So it's a different dynamic. You know what I'm saying? But like, my little brother is, you know, probably the difference in size between Draymond and Jordan Poole.

You know what I mean? He's done some wild shit way worse than what fucking. And I would never punch that motherfucker in his face. And y'all know what that motherfucker is. And I probably is well in my right To knock that little nigger out of the time You know what I'm saying? But never

Because there's genuine love that And there's people like my I told age on time, bro, I said bro, You could punch me in my face I wouldn't fight you. Why would I do that to you? You know what I'm saying? There are certain people

That you have love for, you respect for you ain't going to do that shit And I just can imagine like I got squabbles with teammates in high school We were high school You are grown-ass adult bro You know what I'm saying? I just don't see

I can't, it's hard to respect seeing somebody knock out a motherfucker who was eight years younger than him for saying some shit you know what I'm saying like saying some shit that you would have said to him bro that he that he would have said to do an exact same thing he would have done you know I'm saying and for something he said he respect prior respect to prior because you know what it is that is you know what it is okay well like like let's show you know you like there's a different ways of going to bother need you to a big homie you pull him to the side like

bro you crossing boundaries my jeep you know what I'm saying like if you're a big homie like, bro, you might grab them, like, just show them what, I put my hands, you know what I'm saying, like to let a nigga know, this is what you fucking with, you know what I'm saying? But to straight knock a motherfucker out, that's a different level, dog. You know, I've had big homies put their hands on me when I was younger on some other shit. Like, little nigger, you know what I say? I had some nigger spare me, you feel me when I was younger talking shit to OGs, you feel what I'm saying?

Out hooping and shit, you know what I mean? But that's big homie movement. You know, I'm out here talking my shit. And he like, I put their hands, me like, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Hey, this ain't what you want. You right. I don't want that.

You feel me? That's stick to who. Right. You're absolutely right. Couldn't agree more. Right. You know what I'm saying? He's 32.

I'm like 18 out here. Woof and nah, bro. You know what I'm saying? Okay, you're right. Cool, but that's big homie shit. There's a way to put a motherfucker in the place. A lot of us been there. We are out here.

And that's what they're talking about. On both sides of the dynamic. Right. Right. Both sides. Right. Put my, yeah, you know what I'm saying? But we all, you know what I mean?

But we're talking about you ain't playing competitive sports. No, we have. And we have had motherfuckers put their hands on us and we calm the fuck down. Draymond went straight to knock it that nigga out. That ain't how you move, bro. That's not how OG's move. That ain't it, duh. That ain't it.

Especially in that situation. You feel me? Like this ain't, you ain't, you ain't unsafe. Poo can't do shit to you. You know what I mean? How you, you know what's, what was necessary about that shit? You had to knock the nigga out because he said something you didn't like. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's

you know, that's being some real shit but it's just to all the people who say you know fights happen all the time this wasn't a fight bro like like jordan pool did not want to fight that man this was bullying on on draymond's part and for all the people said you know this happens all the time well when the fuck i'm sure i'm sure fights happen all the time in practices i'm sure that's that's the case but when have we ever seen some um a fucking team on now that there was a physical altercation so bad in their practice that, you know, we're gonna discipline Draymond.

We're gonna discipline a player in some way. Did they, the Golden State hopped out in front of this before the footage was released. Right, right. That's not normal, dog. Well, you, what are you talking about fights happen all the time? Y'all niggas work desk jobs, just like us. We're in front of a fucking, fights don't happen on it.

Quit talking that shit, bro. We regular. Listen, and if fights happen all the time, and there's a difference between NBA dudes bumping chess pushing each other. That's a disagreement. You know what I'm saying? And those happen all the time.

But if those happen all the time, NBA people don't fight. We've seen them niggas getting knocked out on the, on, on Twitch all the goddamn time, whatever the fuck. You can't be? You've got the team's reaction. You have Steph's reaction of wanting to be really clear that he thought it was

inappropriate. And then you also have Damian Lillard being asked like, basically he was asked, quote, is it unusual to see a teammate throw a punch? And he said, Yeah, I mean, he said, I think it's become a thing in the NBA where it's like no one's going to do anything. Everyone's always quick to say that. Someone does someone does something is the end of the world. But he said he's like, I haven't had a situation like that.

Where I say, you know, someone like that was just getting socked like that like out of fucking nowhere. So, you know, and he did also say, hey, but you know, someone puts his hands on someone and pushes them. You should expect something to happen. Fair enough. But it's not, that wasn't what the video showed in my opinion. So, okay. Last last, last thing this topic to talk about was Draymond's apology press conference your guys' thoughts on that. I thought there was there a fuck on this point.

I thought that two-minute tirade he went on about, you know, the fucking film being, yelling at the sky. Yeah, that fucking tirade that he went on where he was, you know, shifting blame to the fucking film dude who leaked it or whatever. I thought that was so fucking unnecessary. We weren't there to talk about that, dude.

Like, okay, someone asked you a question. All you had to do is say, yeah, it's fucked up. it got out but you know i don't want to ship to blame this but this was on me that's all it had to be bro this motherfucker went on a fucking two-minute rant about that shit when the majority of the apology is talking about the fact that it was released and not talking about your actions you know he said that he was wrong he admitted that you know what i'm saying but like if i'm apologizing to somebody and then like like making excuse like based upon the angle of me knocking them out it looked bad you know what mean with no audio look back these are all excuses and if I'm like if I'm talking to my wife you know

I'm saying trying to apologize what I did and I'm bringing all the excuses I'm like that ain't an apology because it's not an apology when you apologize you're talking about your actions and you apologize for that you know what I'm saying and you and you and you stand up you know hey this is what I did and I was wrong apology doesn't come with a bunch of excuses you know what I'm saying not one that seems genuine and Tyler has mentioned you know dude drayman's always seemed genuine and that's what we love about draymond is that we go and get the truth and how I really And I think we got the truth and how we really felt from the press conference. Exactly.

And that's what bothered me about it. You know, and he did, he started with the apology, seemed contrite, whatever. But the, the Tyray where he called the videos released bullshit, he was talking about how much he appreciates the worry about. That bothered me less than him pointing out, because he did it a couple times, him pointing out that you can't hear the audio. That to me is the one where it's like, I don't, I'm not really buying, like, take sports out of it. This is a politician apologizing right now, right? Am I buying this apology of someone saying, essentially saying you're not really getting the full story of what happened here.

I don't buy it. It just doesn't seem, I don't feel that that's a genuine apology if you're hedging it in multiple different directions. That was my takeaway from. Wholeheartedly agree. Like I said, you know, just the blame shift in there. Like that wasn't what you were there for, bro. You know what I'm saying? You were there to own your shit, which you did.

But, you know, like I said, sincerity has never been an issue with Dremont. He has always been sincere. He's always been genuine. He's always been real. The problem with Dremont is you keep fucking up. Like, who cares about how sincere your apologies are if this is repeated behavior on your part? You know what I'm saying? It's been this way since like fucking 2016.

It's been this way since, you know, you fucking blew up on on KD a couple years later, you know? So, and now you're fucking literally trying to take the head off of that franchise's future. Like, bro, who gives you? the shit about how sincere your apologies are. Stop being a fucking dickhead. Can you do that? You said yourself, the only way to show that your apology sincere is changed action.

I don't think we've seen any changed action from Dremont over the course of the fucking last six, seven years. All right. And it's coming from dudes that like big Dremont fans before all this shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, we don't fuck with the Warriors, but we

fuck with the players. You know, I love watching Seth Curry play. I love Jordan Pool. play. I'd have a jersey if Jordan Poole was on the Warriors. Draymond, we've always talked about Draymond. Draymond's my exact kind of basketball player. You know what I mean? Like as a sports writer, that's the exact personality that I love the most.

And I was so happy. Like, I was physically bothered by all of the like, oh, look at how bad his production is in the playoffs or whatever. When they won that championship, I was happier for Dremont than I was for anyone else. It was like, yeah, defense still matters. You get into the playoffs and that giving a floges. shit still matters. Like I love all that about basketball. You know what I mean? I love that about Draymore. Gordon, he's been to that team, especially, you know, even when

the numbers weren't there. But dog, we can't jump. We're going to jump here and not tell the truth. I'm just, we just ain't never did that and we ain't going to do that today. Fuck you mean. All right. Speaking of truth telling, let's talk about Stephen A. Smith. Hold on. Let me take the story about my homie squabbling. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I won't take too long. This story is funniest. First of all, this shit only happened like three years ago or so, right, at our very big ages. Because, you know, like I said,

sometimes they're static between the homies where ain't shit gonna resolve it but a squabble. You know what I'm saying? So it was two of my homies. My niggas got some nicknames, as you all already know, right? So it was one night, we all in the car. We five deep, right? That was the first fucking mistake.

We are two fucking old to be riding in a backseat. You do old for someone to sit bitch, bro, for sure. Right, exactly, exactly. So it was, it was my dog Kwami was driving. My dude foodie was riding shotgun. I was in the back with my homies Fat Nose and Bundles, right? And Fat Nose, it's been some tension

between them for a few years, right? Who created fat nose? Did Bunch create Fack Nose? So he's been mad ever since? Right? So it's been some tension between them for a minute where, you know, the jokes ain't really jokes when they throw them at each other.

Y' y'all know how it is, right? So anyway, it'd be like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so anyway, it's like three in the morning. We all faded, we go on a Waffle House. And fucking Fat Nose and Bundas, they get into it, they get into a little shoving match when Kwami was dropped.

Speaking of nicknames, His real name is Larry, and we just call him Kwame because he looks like the African from Captain Planet. Like I said, my homie's got some motherfucking nicknames. But anyway, they start tussling in the back, right? Because we all cramped up motherfuckers as, you know, tempers are flaring or whatever. Kwame pulls that motherfucker always like, hey, y'all got to get out, man.

So they get out, they start squabbling. They get their issue, right? During the whole fucking tussle, one of the homies' pockets dump out, right? So it's like, you know, his wallet, his phone, his keys, and there's like a roll of Mentos, right? And so after they, after they finished squabbling, my dog food, he was like one of the funniest motherfuckers on a planet, like top two, not two.

Just one of those dudes was unintentionally hilarious. And one of the funniest things about him is like the way he talks. He talks like this, man, right? Like, so everything he's saying going to be funny, man. He wanted him. Yeah. Yeah. So after the squabble, you know, food he's giving him the motherfucker and family matters,

hey, all right, man, y'all got that shit off your chest, y'all brothers, man. Go ahead, dep that shit up, man. And right, like, and so, you know, he's talking about him up like that. And then he goes to the shit that dumped out of the homies pocket. He's like, hey, and come on, man. One of y'all dropped all y'all shit, man. You know, come get your shit. And then he just stops.

And he looks up and he says, And who the fuck had Mentos, man? And he said, y'all motherfuckers had Mentos and ain't all for me none, man. And he picks up the roll of Mentos. He pops one. And he's like, that's what I'm saying, man. So he's chopping down on the Mentos and giving the motherfucking speech. Like, we brothers, man.

You know, this shit going to happen, man. But, hey, you know, that shit up. We're going to keep it moving while he's chopping down on these mezzos that dumped out of the homie's pocket. So, yeah, like I said, sometimes a squab was the only thing that will resolve shit. Like I said, we are not anti-violence in the least bit. But yeah, that was a funny-ass fucking story. Hey, this ain't funny, but let me tell you how I got spared, though, so y'all know I know I'm really a blessed motherfucker, man. So we was in the gym.

I was in college the time. I had to be, like, 21. A dude was like three years older to me. You know what I mean? And he was like, this motherfucker was a bench-pressing-ass nigger. You know what I mean? like you're looking for bench press 300 pounds you feel me i'm still let them but i'm i'm arrogant you feel me i feel like i was fighting my you know my my stepdad growing up so i could

knock anybody out you know what i'm saying like fuck it i don't i've been whoopped before you know what saying fuck it we gonna see what happened so like you know he was following me because he couldn't really fuck with me you know what i'm saying we was hooping you know probably because he's a bench pressing ass motherfucker and so then he was following me too much so i kind of got in his face and shit so we pushed each other and he was like and i was talking up a bunch of shit you know I mean, like, and he kind of walked away. And I'm like, okay, I thought I kind of like, you know, yeah, nigga, you know what I'm saying? So we was cool, right?

But, you know, that was that situation happened. So, like, probably like a year later, we like fake slapboxing and shit, right? So I do the, like, little, the jab and then go for the leg shit on some joking shit, right? And he pushes my head down. And he, like, fake punches me. I'm like, nigger, I ain't never seen, what the fuck was that? He had my whole shit, like, controlling my head. I'm like, I can't.

I'm like, I'm like, I was a bad. Like, nigger, what the fuck was that? He's like, yeah, I used to fight golden gloves back of the day. I said, nigga, you would have whoop my ass, bro. And he just laughed. And kept it, and we kept moving. And I said, this nica spared me. You feel me?

And that was multiple times, too. So, yeah, bro, if you were a big homie, you cool and shit, that's how you moving. You know what I mean? He knew he could whoop the brakes off me in front of everybody. But he didn't give a fuck. And move, you know what I'm saying? Talk to those shit, he pushed, and he walked away. You know what I mean?

And that's what I'm used to, you know what I'm saying? That's some real shit. But anyway, I've been spared a couple times, though. And the only time, me. Anyway, God's mouth has worked like this since he was a fucking two-year-old. So I can imagine he's been scared a couple of times, bro. I sent you all the picture of that nigger TD, that football, I don't know if I told you all that niggie. Bro, the dude that, bro, this nigga.

Oh, that was him? I sent you that picture. When I was in high school, we used to wear big clothes. We was hooping and shit. So niggas didn't know what niggas had up under that clothes, you feel? Right. We hooping. He's fouling.

I'm talking shit. I get in front of his face and shit. This is my third week at the school. We in gym and shit. He's a little shorter to me, so I'm like, I'm going to just stick him real quick and whatever, right? And so he was, so I'm joking his shit. I'm talking to joke. Like, oh, we cool.

We cool. And so probably six months later, I see him bitch pressing. I'm trying to bitch like a 35 on each side. This motherfucker got 225, like, Like, I think we had 10th grade at 10th grade at time. Anyway, I'm like, damn, I didn't know that either. Also, I found out everybody was who was his cousins. So he would have whoop me and I would have got motherfucking jump, nigga.

And he spared my ass, you feel me? So I've been lucky to like, you know. Yep, for sure. Which shit could have got, you know what I mean? Had it not been for the Lord. Had it not been for the Lord. I don't know why he did it because I was three weeks into the school. I was a new nigga.

And he was like, no, we cool. cool after dog he would have did me too there anyway but i want some too though but i got lucky though i had to put that in there because i want a few niggas but anyway all right let's talk about i think we talked about stephen a smith last week but i wanted to bring up his tweet about someone coming up to that man at disney world filming him to ask him if he eats ass people have you lost your goddamn mind let that man be a fucking Disney world bro come on no bastard and I think the unspung-a part is he was probably on a date right you know I'm saying Stephen A doesn't have any kids he was probably with a nice little mommy

and so Stephen A dude first of all do you eat ass bro like how you got your ass eating Stephen A did she eat your head you got your ass you got your ass damn He said he re-quote tweeted the video where he had said it's private asking if he'd ever gotten his ass eating. And he tweeted, please, y'all, never happened in my life, never will. No woman has ever done that to me. Just silly. Lesson learned. Here is what's not silly.

Some dude with his camera on yelling that at me in front of a bunch of children at Disney World yesterday. We've lost our way. Hashtag sad. We have ass eating disqual. is tearing apart the fabric of our society. Right. It's left Twitter. It's left the internet and now it has hit real

life. You know what I'm saying? I might not as spare someone if I'd have my kids at fucking Disneyland as someone's chasing a celebrity around next to me asking me if you fucking eat the ass in front of my toddlers though, bro. I might have fucking... You're going to put your paws on them? You're going to put your paws on them? Man, take that shit to Natsbury farm, bro.

We're not doing that at Disneyland. Come on. Rather, we'll be hurt here. You talk about Knotsbury. That's her youth. That's charge youth, too, bro. You know, we come up in life and, you know, like, fucking. We Disney people now. We Disney folk. I'm just saying that's for a theme part where they're, you know,

having to say kids can't come in without adults because the teens are acting too about you. You know what I mean? That's not Disney. Right, right. For fuck's sake. For so. All right.

Probably the feel good. I mean, it's sort of weird to call a story that includes a shooting a feel good story. But I thought the coolest fucking shit that has. happened in sports last weekend. Run that back. Brian Robinson of the Washington commanders who was shot twice. And obviously you hear a football player shot twice. You're just like, man, please, I hope this guy is alive.

And then I hope he's healthy. And then anybody, honestly. You get through all that. Sure, maybe I hope he plays football. You're worried about him on a human being level, right? He played last weekend for the commanders and ran out to fucking many men, which is the most electric shit.

That's hard as fuck, bro. I had chills, bro. When you sit the view, I had chills, Mike. I'm like, when you said it, you didn't say how you felt about it. You said, this, this shit's wild. And I'm like, but it's also hard as fuck, Nick. I felt like,

you know what I'm saying? Like, I was, that's crazy. That's crazy. But happy, he's healthy. Jesus. You know what I mean? For real, for real. I think what I said was, football players are crazy, which is... You did. I didn't know if you wanted that out there.

Which is crazy. No, no, no, football players are, and I cover football players and basketball players. The football players know they're crazy. And I wanted to let you say that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I appreciate that. But that was the only other thing about the Dremont shit we didn't talk about was Lamar Jack, like a bunch of football players tweeting about that.

Get back game. Couldn't have been me. You know, and the thing I said, and this is, listen, this is true from high school up to professionals. Football players love calling basketball players, They love that shit, bro. I'm gonna be honest with you, though. I understand the sentiment.

And ain't no fair one. I just need my lick back. Any way I can get it. You feel me? But Jordan Poole don't seem like that type of dude like y'all mentioned in the group chat. Also, he looked great. He looked great last night, bro.

He really don't give a fuck. That behind the back, oh, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I got knocked out in front of the bitch, but I'm a ball in front of him too. You feel. Good for him. Good for him. Okay. And then last topic before we get to our interview with Mina, just have to talk about, I think Russell Wilson might have officially taken the Booger Boy of the Week thing from Jim Beehime. That might be no longer be a Jim Beehatt. That might be the Russell Wilson Award. The Russell Wilson Award. We might just start having to call it the Russell Wilson of the week.

Let's Ride Award. Let's ride. The Let's writer of the week. He tweeted. In response to not being shelled by an enemy combatant, which is literally happening in the world right now, by the way, in response to the NFL season starting not the way he'd prefer, and him playing through allegedly playing through an injury, he tweeted as Winston Churchill said,

if you're going through hell, keep going. Winston Churchill. Also, don't keep going. Like, Yeah, I'm turning the Go the other way. How did I wind up in hell?

Get out of this, please. Fuck you be. It's just, it's just, you know, like I've mentioned before how it's just so odd.

He has never said anything negative ever in his fucking life publicly. And it feels like this is the closest thing where he's basically like, well, we're in hell, but we're going to keep going.

We're in hell now. Jesus, all the glory. Brockos nation. We're in hell. Let's ride. Cool, cool. I respect it.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Broncos. This is a lot. Through hell. We in hell. But we're in hell together, guys, okay? I can't read a defense for shit. Let's ride.

250 million or whatever the fuck. Well, did you see his face when he said it? Zero emotion. Branco's country. It was like somebody flipped a switch in his back, you know. Like they pulled the street. That's right. Brocos country.

Let's run. You know what I mean? I would love to see that exact same facial expression in delivery saying Broncos country, this is hell. Broncos country. We're on the fourth circle of hell. Broncos country. What was funny?

Go get your family back. And then he walks away. You lost your family, bro. He said, when he walked away, he like mumbled. Right. Right. He couldn't. Bless wrong.

It was the saddest shit. The sadness came up a little bit at the end. All right. We'll be back in a second with our interview with Mina Kimes. All right. We're very excited to kick off the Jenkins and Jones Distinguished Speaker Series talking to smart people about dumb shit by introducing Mina Kimes.

Mina, thanks for coming on the show. We appreciate it. Dumb shit. You're saying talking about fruit is dumb shit? I did prep These are some serious conversations I got a Google draft What

What? This is our entire plan Is to have experts on And then ask them like You know Get a leading economist on And be like, What do you think the funniest kind of fart is?

You know what I mean? It's just like completely What's the best athlete? You know what I mean? SBD? Okay Silent but All right

you're a very accomplished and intelligent person we appreciate you being on but I need you to begin by defending your cotton candy grapes are good take that's actually my the grape take to me was you got a lot to prove right now

I feel bad that's not that's not even the most provocative fruit take I've dropped this year talking about let's get into it um cotton candy

grapes are cool, but I feel like you go taste blind to him after like the fifth one. Like they just don't taste like cotton candy anymore after that. I mean, they're just so much better than normal grapes. That was the point I was trying to make. Normal grapes are trash. I don't know. Normal grapes, frozen? Slightly frozen.

Have you had slightly frozen grapes? You never frozen grapes. Frozen grapes. No. Nature's candy. And the consistency is perfect. They're so consistent. You didn't do as much prep as you thought.

that you did if you haven't had frozen grapes. We live in this world. Dumb conversation. Okay. The point I was trying to make wasn't even that cotton candy grapes are an elite fruit. They're not even in my top five or top ten fruits, which I have, by the way. It's just that the grapes are super high variance because a trash grape is so trash, but then like a perfectly sweet cotton candy grape or better yet, like a Japanese grape that costs

like $99 a bushel. the range is so dramatic for grapes. Whereas other fruits, like a banana always tastes like a banana. There's no good bananas or bad. I mean, it depends on ripeness. But the actually banana is the banana. Both grapes, you can get such a wide variety. I feel like if you eat a bad grape,

I feel like if you eat a bad grape, that's on you because you can eyeball a bad grape. Like it's usually mushy. It's not firm. It might have some brown spots on it. Like I've never been surprised by eating a firm grape and it was like trash. it's more that like the basic grape you get okay like I don't know in the cafeteria if you get fruit salad that great just imagine that great first of all any piece of fruit in a cafeteria food is bad but the grape is just so boring and like or if let's hear at the airport and they sell grapes in like a container it's not good like it's not it's just like the most bland nothing fruit I feel like you've tasted grapes I didn't know exist

and maybe I'm too broke to understand that the regular grapes, she nods her head. Yeah, you are. She's correct about their grapes from Mardi-Cai. She's correct she's correct about getting real Japanese breaks. You get what you pay for. Because regular grapes are good to me. The regular

grape is good to me in almost all situations. Like it's and it's super consistent. Like Tyler said, you can see a bad grape. I enjoy them thoroughly. Like the regular bushel from Trader Joe's like, but I've never heard of Japanese grapes, though, honestly.

I haven't even. Have you heard of musketeen grapes? That might be some country shit. They call them bullets. Yeah, they're kind of purple. Yeah, they're round as fuck. Those are, yeah. The size of like a golf ball, basically.

And it's a big ass glob of deliciousness inside of it. Yeah. They have they have kings eat when they're trying to have them signify that they're like overfull. You know what I mean? That they're gluttonous. soon that they like explode when you bite into them. The thing about fruit is that America's fruit game is extraordinarily weak. And when you-

I heard that so many times. Yeah, right. Whether it's South America or Asia, once you leave the States, you realize the fruit you've been eating your whole life is mostly trash. However, grocery stores now have like you have more exotic fruits available to you, whether it's a genetically engineered cotton candy grape, which maybe that's unethical. I don't know. Or, you know, extremely.

expensive, I don't know, Asian pears, which is a top-tie-frey fruit, by the way. Your eyes are open to like what fruit, what is possible with fruit? Because American kids, when you grow up, like, you don't really think of fruit as being that great, right? Like, do kids in this country grow up loving fruit? No. No. Cherry-flavored candy was so much bad.

I was so disappointed first time I had a cherry after eating cherry candy for years as a kid. I was like, what the fuck? I think cherries are delicious. They are. It wasn't better than cherry candy to like, 10 year old meat. No way now. I can't taste like medicine, though, to me.

Medicine to me, yeah. So let's talk about this top 10 list, though, because I'm probably here some fruit that I've never heard of. Are mango steins in there? Not on my list, but they're good. They're good. Wow. They're not even top 10?

It's obviously subjective. I'll just do my top five. Yeah. Counting down. Hold on. Can we establish a couple of ground rules, like on the analytics? Are we talking about the best average experience of a fruit or, like, that what fruit has the highest like peak experience.

Like mad and like you got a factor in everything. There's different like I would say consistency like the higher variance fruit is actually bad because you don't want a fruit where it has to be like perfect and ripe and everything has to go well. Right, right. Like strawberries. This is John's anti-stravery agenda. Yeah, bad strawberries are really bad.

Strawberries are obviously not on my list. But like a really good strawberry is really good. But the variance is too high. 80% of them not good. Yeah, 80 feels high, but... Can we say 60? Yeah, I've had a lot of bad strawberries. We argued about this for a half hour on the podcast.

There's a lot of bad strawberries. You're right. No, no, you're right about that for sure. And another thing is like, is it annoying to prepare? I also factored that in. For example, like... Oh, okay. Like, mangoes are so good, but by the time I'm cutting up a mango, it's like this big.

Because I'm just hacking away at it. Whereas if, you know, someone else makes it for me, it's incredible. right like you have mango in a cup is amazing but I'm factoring that in as well another fruit that would be in the top five if not for the preparation factor is starfruit have you guys had starfruit yes I've heard about it yes I would agree on the preparation never had a hurdle I feel like I feel like mangoes I feel like mangoes particularly I'm sort of have a specific fruit experience living in southern California because we do get a ton of South American fruit and and also there are people selling fresh fruit everywhere and so it's easy to

to get mangoes with no preparation. You know what I mean? Which also, there's a cheat code to cutting them. You just cut around the seed and then splice them in like a, what is that? What's the, the boxes? Like a tick-tax-toe. And yeah, the grid and then eat them right off the fucking, you know what I'm saying, the skin, which is still delicious.

Yeah. And it feels like a very natural experience. Did you have that method before marrying Ratha? Yeah, yeah. Not everyone married a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That it hurt.

That it hurt. You know what I'm saying? But go ahead. Number five. Papaya. Papaya's are amazing. Papaya gets undercut a little bit because I'm not good at cutting them. And the seeds can be a little bit much.

But a good papaya, you feel like you're on vacation no matter where you are. It could be the dead of winter in Connecticut. A good papaya is transportive. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the combination, that guava or papaya combination that pops up a lot, That's delicious. Absolutely delicious.

Number five might be a little provocative. That's pretty provocative to go papaya. No, no, I'm sorry. Right, right, right. That's, that's okay, okay. Kiwi. I love Kiwi's. Kiwi is good.

Have you tried the golden Kiwis that are way sweeter? Yeah, also great. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

My wife loves them. Yeah. And I've never had a bad Kiwi too. Like I can't think of a time where Kiwi was not good. You know what I'm saying? They're all good. Easy to make.

Easy to get that skin off. You can eat it a bunch of different ways. Elevates, you know, system player. Everyone around him is better. Staple and fruit salad. If your fruit salad doesn't have kiwi, it is not a real fruit salad. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. And if you get like a little bit of kiwi flavor like on the grape or on the other fruits, it's good. It's beautiful. Right. Yes. Yeah. Good addition.

Okay. Number three. That wasn't as controversial as you thought. Kiwi was going to be my semi-provocative number five pick. I would say maybe having a before is slightly provocative. Number three is actually pretty provocative because this one is a little bit high variance. I love blackberries.

Like a sweet juicy blackberries? A sweet juicy blackberry. First of all, no preparation required, which elevates it immediately. Okay, fair. A perfect blackberry. Arguably is number one. The only reason is number three on my list is because there's a little bit of variance.

Love BlackBerry. I don't think I've ever really had a sweet black blackberry. I think Blackberry Cobbler is phenomenal. One of the best desserts out there. But like a straight black up straight up blackberry. I have been underwhelmed. I'm going to be honest. Is this a regional issue?

There's a regional issue. No, no, no. Okay. You guys are reading the wrong blackberries. That's fine. You got to somebody's dead. But variance. No, I'm in the South, man.

Blackberries are a big fucking deal here, man. Right, right. When they're really big. You know? Oh my God. Okay. Number two, I already suggested this one earlier.

Asian pair. Have you guys had Asian pairs? Okay. Yes. I have my wife is half Japanese and does shop at Marukai and I've had a great many Asian pairs. And I would say, here's my question. How important is the presentation of the Asian pair to you coming in the little lace, doily thing that it does? No, not.

I mean, Asian pairs easy to, by the way, I feel like, um, everyone who says yes to that question. Well, not everybody, but I do get a lot of, yes, I'm married to a Japanese woman or have a half-Jep or half-Asian significant others. That's the only way you ever would have an Asian pair is if someone goes to those grocery stores. Yeah, because they don't really sell them very often at, you know, white people grocery stores. However, they are, I mean, the combination of juiciness, the size of it, an Asian pair is like a whole meal. Like, when I'm done eating an Asian pair, I feel like full. It's just so delicious

You really got to try it It's so delicious I think the other thing about Asian pears Is that I think regular pears are like the worst fruit Like I think that they're They're terrible And so like when she was You know you start dating

And you're like sharing your world with the other person And she's like an Asian pair And I was like you're giving me a fucking pair You know And it's like oh it's life changing Yeah Cultural Okay, this is a little bit of a hipster-ass top five so far, Meno, but it's difficult to attack it on an individual pick level.

What am I going to say? Apple? Come on. Apples are so overrated, though. Just period. Just period. They're lie. Okay.

We got to hear number one. The fruits of our youth are not good. Yeah. We were lied to. All right. Number one, the number one fruit. You guys want to guess? Um.

I thought it was going to be Asian pairs. I know that you're a big Asian pair proponent. So that I, I, I, you, you cross me up already. It's like, like, like, light. Leachie, leachie's top 10. That's racist. That's racist. That's racist.

You think she's about to say. No, you should say, I thought it would be Asian pair. I just think she's going to say some hipster shit. Profiling. Oh, great. Oh, Fuji apple. Oh, dude. Hypocrine.

The number one fruit. I'm stressed. Is the white peach. Really? Oh, my God. Oh, God. Tyler, you had one? Yeah, yeah.

We get those down here like crazy. They're firm as hell. You know what I'm saying? They're not as mushy as the run-of-the-mill peaches. They're a little tartar. But they are delicious. So juicy. That, yeah, that, yeah.

That was a left turn. I did not expect that. White peach is okay. When you bite into a white peach, first of it ranks highly on all the things we discussed, you know, high floor,

easy to prepare, always good. But when you bite into a white peach and there's just like the little juices and it's just so, it's the perfect, not too sweet, not too tart.

It's the perfect fruit. And I just looked at a white peach I've had before in St. Louis, we just call those peaches. No. That's true. Yes, we just.

Yeah, they are different. No, no, I just looked at up. I saw it. It's crispy. It's crisper and it's tartar. I just thought it was a unright peach.

I swear to God. I thought they were just unright peaches. So I was like, where the real one at? You know what I mean? That's what I'm here for. I'm a country motherfucker. You know what I'm saying?

But yeah. I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. Okay, so white peach, Asian pear, blackberries, kiwi, and papaya. Yeah, that's solid.

Do you feel like I've left out of any obvious fruits? I think mangostein is way better than all of those. Like, I think mango steen is, is like the closest thing that Earth is made to like a candy. Like, it's, it's, it's, I, I didn't, I never tasted anything like a mango stene

before eating a mango stene. Like, it was, it was, I didn't know what fruit could get there. You know what I mean? Hmm. They're good. So that's, so Tyler, what do you think? Tyler, what's on your top five that's not on there? Um, pineapple is my goat. I think that's the best fruit out there,

all things considered. I look at it like, you know, LeBron's my goat, so I'll draw some parallels here, right? You got to look at the consistency there. Never have I ever eaten a bad pineapple. You got to look at the versatility there. Like, you know, it's used in, you know, as a standalone fruit, it's using desserts. It's used in savory cooking. Like the Hawaiians get down with pineapples in their savory dishes.

You know, so it's the versatility there. So I think pineapple wins out to me, like I said, because it's the consistency, the versatility. see i don't see pineapples being like lebron at all because pineapple is i hear you on the consistency but it's a real pain in the ass to prepare right like like you you're really going to like go buy a pineapple pineapple come back to your house get a gigantic knife cut it open the pineapple yeah the pineapple pick assumes pre preparation i feel like have you do you cut your own pineapples like ever I have never cut out. I have never bought a whole pineapple with everybody.

I'm about the pineapple chunks. You know what I'm saying? But other than that. I'm allergic to pineapple and still eat. I don't care, bro. I don't want to live a life without pineapple. A pineapple on a Virginia Smithfield ham. Oh, my God.

Bro. Oh, yeah. That's Chico. Yes. Pork and pineapple? Come on. Yeah. The pineappas that they put in, um, um, what's Alpasteur tacos too?

Yeah. Delicious. I guess it is like LeBron. It goes well with a lot of different things now that you think about it. There are even heaths who eat it on their pizza, which could be a whole other podcast. It's not bad.

We'll do an option. It's not bad. I don't even know you could be allergic to fruit. Yeah, yeah. I know I don't do. My homie's allergic to pineapple. He told me he was prior to me knowing I was. And I thought that was ridiculous too.

But yeah, I'm definitely allergic to pineapple. It developed as I got older. It changed the taste. My tongue swears was a little bit. Shars roommate in college also had a pineapple allergy. It had to do with like the specific kind of acid in it or something. The way that she discovered that she had become allergic to it was that we were all eating pineapple in a UCLA dorm room at like 2 o'clock in the morning and her lips started bleeding. Oh, wow.

Mine like just the taste of the food I eat afterwards. So if I eat it, the food afterwards doesn't taste like it's supposed to. to taste. But I'll eat like, I'll get high and eat like a bag of them. It's, you know, they're, they're that good. Does everybody agree the worst fruit is canalot? Oh, yeah. Yes. Canalot. Melons generally

except for watermelon. Yeah. Watermelon is the only redeemable melon. And I think watermelon's technically a berry, isn't it? Let me Google that shit. I feel like I've heard that. It's like how strawberries aren't berries. They're actually aggregate fruits. Really? Yeah. Strawberry is.

What's the aggregate? Yeah. Like a beautiful? Yeah, what is that? It's like a separate genus of fruit. Like a bunch of different fruits combined together. Yeah, like because each seed is actually its own fruit. Google seems to say that watermelon is of the, I'm not going to say the word of a specific

type, I don't know how to pronounce it, a specific type of fruit family. Try and pronounce it. Do you pronounce it bitetia? Yeah, of course. Naturally. Including watermelon's cucumbers and gourds are referred, are a type of berry referred to as Pepos. Pumpkins or berries.

According to this Miranda website called Britannica.com. I think that Britannica guy might be on to something here. I think Persimins are top five. Oh, Persimins are in my top ten. Yeah. They're, oh, God. Oh, God.

Again. Yeah. That's one thing I learned from my wife. She pulled a persimina out. She took a picture of them like on her IG. And I was with my homie. And he was like, I was like, yo, why the fuck is she taking pictures of like, like tomatoes.

Like, who does that? And he's like, that's a persimmin. Like, I can't believe you call that a tomato. He was pissed. So I had them now. I think kids today know all these exotic fruits. Because, because it's not,

it used to be like you have to go to like the Asian grocery store or like the whole foods. But now I feel like, yeah, most grocery stores have like a more exotic array of fruits than when we were kids. Yeah. I feel like when we were kids, it was just like red delicious apples and oranges and bananas. And that was like it, bro.

We were shopping at Kroger, though. Yeah. We were shopping at Kroger and shit like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Food line. They have like Trader Joe's and Whole Food. So it's a different, you know, they have different options. So during COVID when my kids were like, we would walk to school and pick up the lunch and like bring it home or whatever just so that they could be outside of the house for 10 minutes a day.

Like that was a transport back. Like, they're still getting the exact same fruit at school. Like it's still red delicious apples. carrot sticks and a fucking string cheese or whatever. But I agree with you the grocery stores have changed. And I also think there's just a lot more kinds of grocery stores than there were. Like the only way I would ever have had any of these, really any fruit we've named today is at the farmer's market with my mom. And now it's like they're definitely in Southern California.

I feel like they're kind of everywhere. Most of them. I don't know. Some of them you still have to work for it. John Tyler, I'm curious. What else is in your top five that hasn't been named yet? Or what did you agree with Mina on? I think frozen grapes should be in the top five, Mina.

You can't just say frozen. I think you need to try frozen grapes. No. No, and I'm not like outside of the top five. But I do think you personally, as someone who clearly thinks about fruit a lot, I do like frozen berries, like frozen raspberries and blueberries. Like, can you get a bag of them at the grocery store and then I'll just eat them out of the bag? Yes. Mm-hmm.

I think frozen grapes are almost a different fruit. You know what I mean? Like, they're so good. It's like, it's not. Like, they're not just grapes anymore. You know what I mean? They've become, they've become something else when they've been frozen. They have transcended, my friend.

You know what I mean? So you should tap in. I'm going to tell you, I've been beating this drum for years, cherry plums. Does anyone on this panel had a cherry plum? No. I had a cherry plum because of you. I had a cherry plum because of you. Because you're evangelizing for cherry plums.

And I agree with you. They're way better than regular plums. And way better than regular cherries. Yes. It is the best of both. of them and it's combined to be even better than both of them. It's like how a Liger is like bigger than a tiger in a lion. It's like, that

is like the cherry plum hybrid there. I'm going to tell you the fruit, that's the biggest lie, though. Dragon fruit. It is a beautiful fruit. It's purple and pink and pure white on the inside and it tastes like packing peanuts. That fruit is a goddamn lie. The fuck dragon fruit. I think the

American agenda of like uplifting apples is some bullshit too. You know what I mean? like apples are like they're there a very mediocre acceptable fruit you know I mean to like base them on like like like to the way we were told like apples are like the best thing best fruit on the planet is fucking ridiculous so I think that's like there's not a propaganda behind apples apples apples are like corn syrup it's this it's the same agenda as like corn syrup it's like they're easy to grow and they're cheap to grow and so it's like we have fucking 10 billion apples we better try and convince people they're good like what can we do we

We can juice them, we can sauce them up, we can put them in a pie, we can just make children eat them, we can stick them in a barrel at Halloween with water in it and make kids go dunking cider. Is the apple America's like national fruit? Because you know like how. It feels like it. I feel like it, right? Well, they're always like American as apple pie, but do we have a national fruit? Yeah. Because there's state fruits, right?

Yeah, there are states. Yeah. Google says, I was surprised by this, that the national fruit of the United States of America is the blueberry. What the fuck type of a huckleberry? That is almost un-American. Blueberries?

Blueberries are another fruit that's trash on some stand-alone shit, but they're like delicious and like muffins and pancakes and shit. I don't understand. Pie, yeah. Yeah. I think the thing with blueberries for me to like blueberries, I have to eat like tinted once to get the like amount of juice that I want. So I'll get a, I'll go to a handful.

will love them and they're good. One is trash, you know what I mean? Which is odd. But I feel like apples are, I guess, like, I don't know why I thought apple was like what everybody assumed was like the fruit of America. You know what I mean? Because the pie. I feel like.

Yeah. And there's only two good apples like, right? The honey crisp and then like pink lady. Like pink ladies. I like PG apples. I do. I know earlier I said it was profiling, but I actually do like them. I also feel like an apple feels like very.

on brand for like America. Just big, loud, not that great. Everybody pretends us probably shouldn't be in. During the pandemic, I did have peanut butter and apples

for the first time of my life. And that was, that was delicious. You had never had that? I'm not going to lie. Dipping? No, bro. Never, never.

That's like peak kid. Kid. I still have never had that. So. Yeah. Tyler hadn't even had string cheese to like eight months ago. Yeah, we introduced Tyler to string cheese

and so when he came out to Santa Monica during the NBA playoffs. He'd never had string cheese. I ate it a month before him. You shouldn't have told him out eat it and just wash him bite into it. You know, like the junkies were doing school.

You should have seen like when I, like there was a picture we took when I like pulled the string and told him like why it's called string cheese. And he's like genuinely like, oh shit. Pure surprise. One of my favorite things with fruit is when people don't know how to eat them.

Like watching a kid just like bite into a watermelon as a kid or something. Or like, you know, like, there's just something so funny about somebody like not understanding their way to prepare a fruit. I have a list. I don't have a pair of mangoes recently. I have a list of the official state fruits for each state. Several states do not have official state fruits, including California, which is probably a like civil war prevent. measure or something, I guess, between, you know,

avocados and orange or whatever the fuck. I've never heard of some of these fruits. Have you all ever heard of a pa-p-a-p-a-w? Hell no. What the fuck is that? Who and what country is that some higher? I don't even want to say it. Yeah, let's not look up the origins of the word

paw-paw, Jackson. That's Ohio's state fruit. Oh. The actual name for it is Asamina Treloba. awesome that sounds like Texas's official fruit

is a Texas red grape fruit mm-hmm did Virginia go smarty artie and go tomato there because handover

tomatoes are like the biggest fucking export here or did they Delaware's state fruit is uh is strawberries

these are all bad fruits no one has a Minnesota state fruit is specifically the honey chris

America right and wasn't it like Like, weren't these listed like hellas ago? You know what I mean? Yeah, we updated. How much access did they have to like the fruits are on the globe?

You know what I mean? Yeah. Washington State fruit is an apple. That makes sense. Yeah. My mom lives in central Washington now. It's like Apple world. Like every, it's just everything is apples.

Apple, apple. It's like the 1910s. You know what I mean? It's like, it's Apple Week in Wenatchee, Washington. What do you mean? It's like, everything. about apples this week. Along the lines the way I was saying about people who eat.

I went to school with a kid. It must have been like first or second grade who would eat the entire apple. No. The core tune? The entire apple. I should look him up. He's probably a serial killer now. Yeah, check him on Facebook.

You should look them up in an official record request in the correctional system. Yeah. I just remember so vividly. Being so confused by it. Okay, I have another top five fruit. And I, some of my picks would be boring. But I do think that a cold watermelon in the summer is like as good a fruit eating experience as you can have. I know that's not a particularly interesting pick.

But like, I don't know. I would have to have watermelon my top. It's so good. Nothing's more refreshing. No fruit's more refreshing than a watermelon. You know what I mean? Like that quenches you. You know what I'm saying?

That's number one in the list of as long as I don't have to prepare it. fruits. Watermelon? Yeah, that's fair. But if someone gives me like a plate of watermelon, yeah. My hottest fruit take is that the majority of fruits are better if served cold. Every single. Is that a hot take? Okay, maybe it's not. That's not a hot take. I feel like most people, I feel like most people eat fruit room temperature. Yeah, a lot of people. I guess like watermelon are usually like fruit room temperature. I want watermelon, you know what I mean? Every single bear.

Apples. Apples. Bananas. Yeah, you're right. Damn. No one's ever served a fruit bowl is sitting on the counter. Like in a pie. Here's a bowl of.

Yeah, right. Yeah. Here's a bowl of warm grapes. Some warm grapes for you. That's disrespectful. Low Key they hand you some warm grapes. I might be mad at them. They're like, come on, man.

What do I do to you? You feel I'm saying? Fresh out of the oven. Right, right. Here's some more. warm grace. What the fuck? Oh shit. Okay. What about John Tyler? Anything else? It would be in your top five?

Let me think. Let me see if I can give any shine to any overlooked fruits here. Chilton County peaches from Children County in particular in Alabama. That's a hell of a peach. They're known for their peaches. So during my time in Alabama, I take back my hip back my hipster comment about. I take back my hipster comment about. about Mina's list. You're going county-specific incarnations. Alabama, though. I don't know this hipster if you're going to Chillin County.

All right, Mina, do you have you the rest of your top 10 written out? I mean, I named some of them. Yeah, I think I didn't name. Raspberrys also made my top 10. I don't think I mentioned that. I really like raspberries. I know they're not for everyone. But they all taste the same.

That's one thing. Like every raspberry tastes like a raspberry pretty much, unless it's like dirty or moldy or something. But yeah, I just, I love raspberries. I think all the other ones I named. Persimmon, you get persimmon, leachy, starfruit, mungo. Yeah. The take that started all of this, I don't think I even said it. The really, the one that got people going on the internet was I said, honeydew is actually good you guys just haven't had good honeydew to the world so you don't like canalo but you like honeydew yeah i think they're both like they're both filler in fruit cups this is a you know what honeydew has a higher ceiling but it is

you don't often run across a good honeydew i don't feel like don't get me wrong because it's usually bad but yeah if when you think it's usually it's an asian grocery store thing when you encounter like a really good sweet, juicy, fresh honeydew, it's actually really good. But they're rare and it's been bastardized. How do you pick that? Is it hard to pick a good honeydew too? Like I know like watermelons it could be, you can kind of get lucky sometimes, you know what I mean? Or unlucky depending on what I mean. Watermelons by noise. Is it the same with honeydews? So I don't know because I almost never picked my own fruit growing up. This is the thing about having an Asian mom. People always talk about like, you know, the negatives of having a tiger mom or whatever and the

stereotypes. But the great thing is when you come home from school every day, you are served a platter of just the most exotic rare fruits, like 20 different fruits. Every day I would come home in school. And even when I go home now, I'm in my 30s and it's not out. I'm disappointed. I'll be disappointed. I'll be like, I'll walk downstairs. like, and then like I'll sit on the couch for a little bit and then she'll come, come in and let me all freshly array. Perfect. That's beautiful. I love that.

All right. Any other fruit takes we got to get off or should we let Mina go back to being a professional at something other than fruit picking? Thank you for giving me a platform to air out my agenda. We got to get America to change in action. fruit. You don't hear about that a lot. You know, I don't like to talk politics, but if not now, when? The fucking blueberry? Come on.

Yeah, fucking blueberry. I can't wait to log on and see on awful announcing you've been suspended for just like, just totally running off the fucking rails. Just like, I have to get the white peach agenda out there. Can we ask you? We do have a couple of other ongoing very, very,

dumb debates. Okay. All stone fruits matter. All stone fruits matter. My other top, my other, look at my top five and you can see that, you know, if you remember it. Yes. Yeah.

For sure. It's a DEI friendly top five for sure. We do have two other ongoing, really stupid debates, and I would love to get a one, a one, it is really. White peach Asian paraplegatory. I didn't even think about it. All right. Sorry.

Yeah. And specifically Hispanic Kiwis. That was an interesting choice, but that's where you went with it, you know? That's me. Inclusive. Okay. Can I ask you, what do you think is more important in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? The peanut butter or the jelly?

The jelly. Because all peanut butter is good. Wow. Thank you. Can I ask you? Lots of smart people on the jelly side. A lot of smart people on this side of the table, John. No, in this particular podcast.

But in history, people have said the peanut butter. But her reasoning is very different from y'all. And I actually respect this reason. All right. What is more athletic a rat or a squirrel? A squirrel. Literally, there's a squirrel climbing a tree outside my window right now. Wraths don't have vert.

You can't see. the rat because it climbed the tree so fast that it just already got up there. That's the difference. And you saw the squirrel because it didn't know what decision to make when he was trying to cross the road. You feel me? Yeah. So the rat already made a decision that was up there. So yeah. I don't know. I think squirrels are too mentally they just don't guide it for me when it comes to playing sports. I just don't know if they can do it. You know what mean? They're not tough enough. They don't have that toughness needed. You know what I mean? To be an athlete. You know what I mean? They don't got that dog in them.

squirrels. If they were track, I mean, they could, they would kill in track. They would kill in track. Most other sports,

I think the rat would be more dominant. Never seen a rat do anything athletic in my life. I think so. Just saying. Big up. Chippendale. I saw them play sports.

I saw a rat shoot across the street runs. Yeah. I saw a rack shoot across the street once, and that's what made me think. Because it was faster than I was told. I think also. The rats are more. The way we talk about rats make us think they're not athletic.

But if we actually looked at their like, you know, the breakdown of their speed, you know, and also gotten to the intangibles, you know what I mean? They'd be a great athlete. What swayed me against squirrels was finding out in an article while doing research because we literally spent, I think like two hours talking about rats versus squirrels. Arguing until we were sweating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Squirrels frequently will, while running across the street, their hearts will explode.

because of the anxiety of, like, seeing a car. And so, like, if you've ever seen when you're driving, like, a squirrel get halfway across and kind of just stop, it, like, probably just had apparently, like, a fatal squirrel heart attack. Horrible. Isn't that horrible? Yeah.

What? Bro. Remember an agent? But that has to be a mark against the squirrel. That's a mark against humanity. Squirrels did not factor in cars coming into their existence, bro. Okay. Are you going to blame humanity when it tries to,

when it tries to, when it, tries to, as a running back, and has to make a decision on which hold it, and it just passes out. You know what I mean? That's not, the squirrel, it's, hey, bro, whoever, God, the universe,

whoever made the B gap, fucked up. And the squirrel, when they collide, should ain't sweet, brother, you know what I'm saying? If you did a combine for both animals, the squirrel would dominate it,

so three cone, but if you actually put them in game, games. Oh, you're talking about, this is a common debate in my world. The rat is only winning the bench press. That's it.

Game speed versus straight line speed. I respect it. You know what I'm saying? Have you ever seen a flying squirrel? I see that squirrel hitting that gap without thinking. And they're going to hit it hard. They can take some hits.

I'm not a squirrel, I'm saying the rat. The squirrel going to get beat up. She said, have you seen a flying squirrel? We, we, I believe we cut flying squirrels out

because, yeah, we felt like it was. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. It was a contentious. So it was contentious to cut it out.

Tyler was anti, taking this flying squirrel out. But, you know. All right, Mina, thank you so much for hopping on with us. We greatly appreciate it. We'll try and come up with an even better dumb topic to have you on maybe in the off season when you're not working 90 hours a week. But thank you very much.

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We were hot as hell. Can't believe we wasted that. Wasteemita's time like that, but grateful for it popping on. Yeah, I appreciate Jamina. And if we could convince her to have had frozen grapes, it will be worth it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It'll be like one person at a time.

You know what I mean? That's how we're moving it. This frozen grape agenda. New propaganda. Anti-apple, anti-staberry. We're changing the landscape of fruit in America. All right, y'all. That's it for this week.

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