The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jenkins and Jonez - The Ime Udoka Situation

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

The guys dive into the latest with Ime Udoka, the Celtics, and the NBA. They react to the information that we know and ponder what they aren't telling us. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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fellas. Can we call it a doozy? Can we call it a doozy? It's verging on a doozy. It's teetering between being a doozy and being a humdinger. Oh, well, humdinger. Home dinger. We usually only get those on Tuesdays. As always, Jenkins and Jones hosted by my buddies Dragonfly Jones, aka Tyler. Hey, everybody. I'm a good. With Jethro Jenkins, aka John. What's that, Bubba? I'm Gartie B. AKA Mike. Should we run that back?

No, fuck it. No. This last week of September does not exist. This is October. You're listed to this on October negative fifth. I love spooky season, though, man. But, you know, I prefer to celebrate beginning October 1st.

I'm a traditionalist, but. It's 2022, Chiler. We went to a little spooky season event this, Friday had a little fun, man, a couple of haunted houses and whatnot. It was cool. We were planning on going to haunted horror nights, but I think the weekend was pulling up, so it sold out quick. So he went to Griffith Park, had us some fun, man.

Oh, you did the Griffith Park one? Yeah, first of many nights. We're going to, I think we'll hit some other things up to. Mom and dad are getting some Halloween date nights in. Leaning in, you know what me. I love it. I love that. That makes me very happy.

All right, let's start with the shit show to everyone. all shit shows the uh i feel like in all caps this now has to be referred to as the emey udoka situation um i don't even know where to start with this it's been such a disaster from what's actually happened to the media reaction to it to social media speculation we're going to talk about all of that but uh tyler where where do you want to start with the emay udoka situation let's let's take from the very top on how we found out about this from when Wodge dropped that tweet. When he dropped that shit,

like it was a club flyer, bro. Like, there was a rollout for this news about this man's who might have, you know, fuck his whole family up due to his misconduct who probably's going to lose his job due his misconduct. Woj put a picture up of that man,

watermarked that shit, put his little weak-ass, late-in headshot on that motherfucker. They've got to be like, this guy fucked up. bad. Stay through. More to come. Like, they gave us a rollout on this shit with clip hangers and all that. It was just a

shitty way, you know, I feel like everyone has handled it in such a terrible way and it started from the top of the woge. Yeah, there was a real this disaster brought to you by me, Woj like vibe to the fucking graphic they put together.

It was interesting seeing everybody's gut response. Did my camera do the same? shit. My shit is fucking up. Sorry guys. This is a throwback, Jigs and Jones shit. We fucking up big time over here, Bubba. Big tab. But anyway, it's just a gut response to like, you know, pointing fingers at the chick. You know what I'm saying? Like, who, who is she? Who is she? You know what I mean? From a lot of people. It was, and also like Matt Barnes as a, you know, like professional wild boy,

you know what I'm saying? Coming back and saying, yo, this is 10 times worse than you think it is. I cannot condone that. What I said yesterday as far as taking up for him, I can't get behind that. That's why I deleted my shit. And then also RJ, who is a wild boy himself? You know what I mean? Also being like, yo, this ain't it.

But it's interesting seeing that. And then people still coming to his defense after seeing these people say, yo, this ain't it. You know what I'm saying? What's going on is fucked up. You know what I mean? And when it gets out, you know,

it's shocking behavior. there's not completely, you know, not worth respect. Let's, I mean, I think we can even rewind it further back to, to like what Tyler was talking about. One of the issues that we have here, and, you know, people talk about access journalists, access journalism versus sort of more investigative stuff in politics more often, but we have two access journalists in Woj and Shams who break all the news in the NBA, right? Both of those guys are access journalists because of the relationships they have with one half of the business enterprise of basketball.

basketball. Woj really well connected with NBA and the team organizations, right? Shams really well connected with player agents and management companies. So Woj, you know, to me, that's a big part of why this whole thing went super sideways. We got like four rollouts, as Tyler was saying. And so there was, even before anyone knew what was happening, you know, I think someone quote tweeted Woj's thing and was like, I don't know if this man got a DUI or is a serial killer. Like, it was just such a weird way to like, hey, just as a heads up, he's being suspended for something, you know. And the way that that was leaked, given what we're starting to uncover about, you know, potentially how serious of a violation it was to leak it like that.

I don't think that did anyone any favors, much less as John mentioned, the speculation that took over. I mean, it was literally a like Lakers fan account just said, oh, there's only, you know, know, once Shams came out and said, okay, there was a relationship with a member of the Celtic staff. And first of all, that was all that was reported at that time. And for some reason, people immediately started jumping, like you said, to his defense, filling in all the gaps.

Like, it's 2022. We should all know, if you know a man did something stupid with a woman, you should not be taking up for anyone until you know what happened. I mean, let's be fucking, come on. If we've learned anything, we've learned that, I would hope. Right? you know what I'm saying like baseline I honestly yes like I honestly like I actually was surprised by how many people and look like if there's one thing that comes out of like a Me Too movement it should

be a deep breath for everyone right when something when an allegation comes up a this could be more this could be worse whatever right like we know how bad these stories can be so to see everyone take up I thought was nuts, but also just to see Twitter take one tweet from a non-journalistic account saying, oh, there's only one woman on the Celtic staff. And then just like put this woman's name and life and everything all over the internet on social media. You know, John, you made the point like she has kids at school. Like that's what when you sent it to me. I'm like, bro. She might have kids like a family. And you said, yo, she has two. And she made her. And she made her. fucking high school sweetheart.

You know what I mean? And that's what I mean, dude, like, for instance, like, bro, if you was at school and that popped up on Twitter and somebody tried you, like, the kids are being in effect, because I'm going to get suspended over that shit. We're fighting, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, I mean, it's just this one, this one account said something, admittedly not knowing all the information.

They just saw some shit. You know what I mean? And then shared it. It blew up and a whole family, including children, you know what I mean? That have literally nothing to do with any of this. Nothing to do with this. Nothing to do with this. Maybe she might not even, I mean, she probably.

You work at the same Walmart. But she might not have known. You work at the same, you work at the same Walmart as a guy. Right, right. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? You've seen them a couple times, you know, at the cash register. You know, y'all aren't really interact, but now you all in their bullshit.

You feel me? That's crazy as hell, man. You log on to Twitter and the entire subject is, she's finer than knee along. Like, is she like, she's like, face. Right. Your whole ass face. Like, you know what I'm saying? You said her LinkedIn profile.

But this was her, you know what I'm saying? This is her work profile picture, putting that on blast for 30,000 people to see. I think that's the amount of likes they got or some shit. But like, and then obviously when the apology drops, nobody's interested anymore. You know what I mean? Like nobody, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, the damage's already done at that point. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, it was just so wild to me to see how so many people were rushing to defend Emay without all the details. Like, I was like, bro, this, and everyone's holding a face with all a year suspension for a consensual relationship, that's wild. I was like, bro, it's more than that. This man just took the selfish to the finals. They are not fucking coming down,

you know, giving him a year of suspension just because he had a consensual relationship. And as we've seen, there is more to that. So yeah, it was just, it was just the crash course and people jumping to defend people without all the facts and how terrible the state of journalism is right now where people aren't worrying about

being right. People just want to be first. It was just like, like, you know what I said, just a whole fucking shit show, man. You're talking about him taking him to the finals. I'm my people hit me up like, you know, I think they did it to him because he black. I'm like, this man took the Celtics to the finals his first year. A white man would have got a year for what he's doing. You know what I mean? He took the Celtics to the finals of the first year, bro. He got white privilege doing some shit like that, bro. You know what I mean? He earned that in Boston, but, but he's one of the good ones. He wanted a good one. good ones. You know what I mean? He got at least, at least that. So I, you know what I'm saying?

Like, bro, so you, I mean, that's a great point. I was thinking about that. Like, dog, you know, he just took the subject to the finals. You know what I'm saying? After having him for one year. And then, like, looking at RJ, when he was being kind of cryptic, but he was saying, if it was consensual, which it was, that's what he said, you know what I'm saying, because RJ had all the information, you know, well, he's got, well, he's better connected than us. We'll put it like that. Yes, exactly. And he said, and he's still. And he still. And he's Still got a year. Think about it.

And that's like, okay, you know what I mean? Like, it was consensurable. There was some other shit going on obviously. You know what I mean? And I don't think it's that hard. I mean, we think it's harassed. We don't know. But we know it's something that's probably fireball

and it's going to lose his job. And it's just odd that also people like higher up. So we haven't got a Stephen A yet. But like him, who are pretty connected? What's up, Maya? Pretty connected. And still, like, jumping out in front of the, you know, the, it's just crazy to me. Yeah, yeah.

Stephen A. Showed his whole ass this week in a terrible way. I don't say that as a compliment. I think he went way off the fucking deep end when he requested that, you know, we know the identity. How would it be a compliment? Would he have literally shown his ass? Oh, no, no, come on. You think he got a duke on him?

No. Show him. I'm playing at time too, you know what I'm saying? I'll play. And a fucking, you know, shaming all that. Showing your ass could be he caught five touchdowns or it could be he. He embarrassed himself on national television four days in a row. Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly. And like I said, I think that him, you know, implying that we need to know who the woman is was so fucking irresponsible. Because here's the thing for all those, well, why don't we know her identity people? Like, you know, like I said, if you can't connect the dots, and see that a harassment lawsuit is on the way. I don't think you're really paying attention here because the Celtics had an independent law firm

doing an internal investigation, right? They suspended EMA for a year. They said they're not sure they're even bringing him back after the findings of this investigation. You know, Sean said the investigation revolved around, quote-unquote, unwanted comments aimed at this lady from the email. That's harassment, bro.

Like, but that's the time of reason. And that could cover quite a bit. I mean, you know, I think some people, from what I've seen in the research, responses to this. Some people hear unwanted comments and think, you know, it's more benign than the worst thing that could be is pretty bad, you know? Yeah. Right. Right. And that's also like, you know, the type of phrasing and word watching that journalists have to do in these situations where there's probably a lawsuit on the table too. You know, there's that aspect of it as well. And I definitely

do think there's a harassment lawsuit here. I think EMA is done. I don't think he's ever coaching another game for the Celtics again. And the reason why I think he's suspended for a year instead of being fired is because the firing of EMA would like be construed as an admission of guilt on the self-ex part. So I think EMA is going to remain suspended until a settlement is reached here. Then he's getting to boot after that settlement is reached.

So that's why the lady in question here is not being out of right. Like it's always been a principle of you know, ethic journalism to grant anonymity to anyone who's alleging that they're the victim of like any type of sexual misconduct. You know, and that principle is in our legal system as well. You know what I'm saying? They great that

anonymity in courts too. So And for good reason, and for good reason, because of what we were just talking about with what a woman who had nothing to do with this was run through on fucking social media. Like, so of course a person that's actually involved in a victim of harassment or worse. Of course you protect her identity as a journalist, as the courts, as a team, whatever. I mean, like no fucking shit. I can't believe that Stephen A. Smith would need to have that fucking explain to him. Like, that's crazy to me. Right.

Right. You've been doing this shit for fucking 30 years. or whatever. But my question is, you know, like, what do we even gain by knowing her identity? You know what I mean? Right. Like, like, Emay is the public figure here. What the hell do we gain by finding out it was living from each other? You gain power and the ability to be shitty. That's what you gained. Right, right. That's it. That's it. That's the answer. Like, we gain nothing. People saying that just want to see her get dragged to them up with email, right? So, so, you know, you can say it takes two to tango or whatever. Okay, well, she's the one that's alleging that she was

only receiving an misconduct. So that's why she's getting some anonymity granted to her here. So, so, yeah, man, I just think people who are advocating for her to be revealed, they're doing it from a place of bad faith because, you know, they're not doing it from a place of, well, the journalism should expose it because, like I said, the anonymity that's, she's being granted here is a principle of fucking ethic of journalism. So these motherfuckers, they just want to see blood, bro. They're just jackals.

That's all that is. And also they're talking about the replacement of E. May has been, you know, who was accused of a sexual assault. And they're saying that as defense to E-May, that is just, that is not defense to E-May, you know what I mean? That is a, that is a, that is, that is highlighting the issue within the industry, you know what I mean? Like, to me, that's just makes the situation more flagrant as far as highlighting how deep this issue is when the replacement was, was, what I don't know if he's charged, but accused or whatever of that, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of sexual misconduct in some way as well, you know what I mean? So the depths that people will go to to make it seem like this man didn't do anything wrong. You know what I mean?

Or normalize it or point fingers at somebody else. You know, like it's really fucking weird. You know what I'm saying? Like shitty-ass behavior. Yeah. And there's a certain extent to which you expect the worst behavior from. And look, we've talked about this on the show, man. there's a younger generation of of dudes coming up that I think have really been kind of poisoned to an extent and lied to by social media about healthy dynamics between men and women.

And there's a lot of young men who feel like men are the victims of like a gender war, you know, that it's like, oh, they've, you know, women have all the power. They can accuse us of something to ruin our life. Like, you know, and you see this in, in some of the kind of like hateful comments that come up from younger dudes when these like, you know, the stupid, this stupid harmless gender war shit comes up on Twitter about how much date should cost and stuff. And you see people post stuff that's like, this guy works at fucking, you know, this guy, these aren't like, I think when people talk about like incels or whatever, there's this idea that it's like there's some underbellers. It's like normal 23-year-old dudes who feel like they're at war or something here. And the comments, you might expect that from them, but to see that stuff, like we said, from Stephen A. Smith, to see that stuff from... As if masculinity is under attack, you know, you know, and that's the way he talked about... That's, I mean, he talked about, like, there's a lot of white coaches, there's a lot of white people in the NBA, quote, doing their thing as though this is, you know, like we said, as though he had enough information to say, this is just an affair.

that it's being imbalanced in terms of where the punishment is or whatever. But yeah, it's like everyone's a victim, everyone's wounded, everyone needs payback, whether it's a racial grievance Stephen A. Smith brought up

or it's a gender grievance that it's like, well, why are women free to sleep around but men aren't free? And it's just, there's correct treatment of people and there's incorrect treatment of people. And to Tyler's point,

I don't have a, enormous amount of faith in corporations or the legal system in this country. But the very obvious pattern in America is if a if a huge company hires an independent law firm to do an independent investigation is for one of two reasons. Number one, there was public pressure over something they messed up and they're doing it as a PR thing, right? NFL has done that all the time. NBA does that. Okay, we're going to hire an investigator. They're going to come in and look it up. Or if they do it before there's public pressure, as was in the case in this, is because because a company knew that something that's going to expose them to huge liability occurred,

and they need for legal purposes an investigator not connected to the company to put together the breadcrum trail on what exactly happened. Those are the only two reasons. No one recreationally hires an independent law firm to do an investigation. So, you know, that alone should signify how serious it is. And as we said, just how stupid it is to jump in and talk about this before all the details come out. I just don't understand the need to do that. But that's also, I think that's part of like just the culture we're in in the time period

or in too where everybody just like Taloo was saying has to be first, has to be first. You know what I mean? We're like, you know, a woman that has nothing to do with and our whole family is drunk, is drug through the mud now. You know what I mean? Like, it's like we, there's not, like, if what's the point of sharing this? Like, what's the point of even sharing this information? Understanding the climate.

you know what I mean? Understand how people move if they're if they're gonna be so cryptic about certain things. You know what I mean? That's that's I think like you know, we,

none of us gained anything by having this information or benefited from this. Right. You know what I mean? And a lot of people were hurt, you know, or affected, you know,

negatively by this being dropped before certain information could be revealed. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know, man. But I think with these situations, I think it's, You know, there's a, there's, whoa, just dropping this shit as if it was a normal breaking news.

Like, like every other with the same graphic and all that shit, just irresponsible. And we have to understand due to the, like, the world we live in now, like, who could be affected by it? And generally, it's women. And a lot of women that have nothing to do it. And even the victim herself, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, that's a great transition. We do one of our myriad producers on Jenkins & Jones is Biko.

if you can hop on. She is one of the producers since we joined the volume. But I think, look, I asked you if you wouldn't mind hopping on with us for a couple of minutes because I think we've heard a lot of male sports commentators talking about how horrible the sports world is

for women or whatever. And I thought you would probably be a more authoritative voice on that than the three of us. So first of all, I know we were all in the full group chat talking about how crazy the exchange was between Stephen A and Malie. I imagine you were just on social media and seeing these clips like what the fuck is happening right now and why?

Yeah. I mean, I when I initially text you guys, I had seen only a small portion of the clip. And so my thought is like, okay, why did he go off on her like this? What did she say? Right. So then I'm trying to find the whole clip to figure out like what exactly happened. And I had said to John, like, don't search her name because that's. when I started getting real upset because you start seeing all the comments of like women don't

belong in sports. This is why women don't deserve to be here. And I mean, we had talked about this earlier and like just being a woman in sports already, like we have to continuously prove that we deserve to be here. So for something like this to even happen and them to like just throw her name, like, well, throw the other woman who has speculated its name out there. It's just like so unresponsive. It's just, well, it's so frustrating as a woman. Do you feel like, I mean, I don't know, it just feels, it feels like almost endless, right? Like, like at some point, someone's going to do something stupid and then the worst people are going to take over all the microphones for it. You know what I mean?

Like, it just feels like this inevitable cycle. And that's part of what's so frustrating to me about it is like it doesn't feel like there's a way to stop it, I guess. Yeah, I mean, basically what you just said. like women are already just like deemed as distractions right like we go into this space that's dominated by all men and you can't look this way you can't wear that and you know women already have to think of like this multiple the multiple layers of working in sports right like if you're an attractive woman there are so many more are deemed as attractive to some people like there's so many more layers of what you have to go through to even get there right like so there are women there's this woman

on the staff, right? Like, think about all the things she had to go through in order to just get a spot on the bench or to work in BB ops or whatever it is. Like, you have to dress a certain way, wear a certain way. You can, oh, well, that woman, she's one of the boys. Or, you know, like, they have these labels for these women that have made it to working so high up with, with these men that it's like, okay, so now is this going to affect, like, not only women in sports industry being able to get to that position, it's going to now affect like women just in general, right? Like, so you think about the Boston Celtics organization, like, are they going to be more timid to hired women in those positions because this has happened? Is another team going to do

that and say, like, well, look what happened in Boston. Granted, we don't even know what happened, but it still is going to be a topic of conversation, which is so frustrating because, like I said, it's already tough enough to be a woman in sports and to get to like a high position and a male dominated industry for like and then you see people who are reporters who have been around for so long they should know it's hard for these women and you're just going to put such a vague statement out there to let social media just run with it it's just all really upsetting and I just had to log off because I was like once you start you're about to women don't belong. You're about to start, you're about to start killing people. Yeah. You were in the group chat, like, get me the fuck away from the internet for a couple days. Yeah. I'm like, the comments of women don't belong. This is why we don't hire women. It's like, dude, I don't, it just, it's frustrating because women get sexualized all the time. Like, we don't ask to be sexualized when we're working. But because like, if you wear leggings, oh, you probably shouldn't wear those because because, because why? Because now I'm going to be looked at a certain way.

Like, you know, or whatever it is, it's, it all comes down to the same shit. It's like, okay, we can't do this because whatever it is. And like some men can't control their mouth or Twitter fingers, DMs, whatever it is. And I think that layer of it is just like really frustrating. And we don't know exactly what happened here. It's just like obviously he did something out of pocket and. Yeah. Yeah.

What's really interesting to me is like I didn't even think about it in that way. You just talking, speaking about like how, you know, how she was put on blast. This is just like, like, like, that's the tip of iceberg. This is what we saw. You know what I mean? Her being put on blast, you know, not doing anything, not have anything to do with it or family being affected of it by it. We didn't, we didn't see all the like microaggressions and things that she went through or whatever

or just like flat out, you know, disrespect or mistreatment. She went through to get to that position. So, like, she does all that to get to that position only for some fucking 15-year-old with a fucking, a troll account to drop her shit to put her family, you know what I'm saying, on blast. It's just, that's wild, you know, to see, like, all of that shit they went on there to get there

for this to still happen, because simply because she's a woman in the organization. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, so like that's, I mean, but like you were saying, that's like, like, people have to, when you, when you're sharing this information, that has to be a certain level of, you know, you know, you have to be responsible in a particular way because of shit like that, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I didn't even think about all that shit that she went through prior. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Even I even saw one of the, their reporter had to tweet out that it wasn't me. So it's like you had Mark Spears tweet out. It wasn't the woman.

I forget what her role was. that worked in basketball ops. The first woman who was kind of like put out there. Yeah, so he had to tweet. It wasn't her, right? And then I saw the Boston Celtics reporter Amanda had to tweet like it wasn't me. So I did not go in to look at what her mentions were like. Right.

But I can't even imagine. And she's, I'm pretty sure she's married in a relationship as well. And like to have to go through that, it's just like women already go through too much to get to that. And it's just so frustrating. And, you know, like, you're just thinking about you're like, be better. Like, you're smarter than that. Why would you put a tweet out there like that? Like, what, like, what are you looking to gain the be first?

That doesn't make you a better reporter. I don't know. Well, and it's like, again, I mean, some of it, like the sort of first thing that came out. And by the way, I don't mean to suggest that like if a woman is like younger and single, she deserves is more than somebody who's married. I just think it's that like even it, it might. more insane that the context of someone's life like completely doesn't matter on this stuff. Because again, I think the first thing that came out, it was from a fan account. No one has any

reason. This fan account posts that LeBron James is going to play till he's 90. You know what I mean? Like this isn't like a real like there's there is the rush to be first, but there's also the no longer caring where information comes from if it, if people think it's funny or if, you know, whatever. And I mean, there's a difference between a like, did that dog really smoke a cigarette or something versus, oh, like, let's just take this woman's like information and run with it. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, that goes, I mean, this is totally different. But right, like why Ballsac Sports does so well on social media and their quote tweets end up on ESPN and Sports Center or whatever it is because people don't give a shit. They don't look at like who it's from.

Yeah, it's just, it's all, it all comes down to it. Just being a woman in sports is already hard enough. And I like, I feel for the women that work in the Boston Celtics organization because that's, and then I start thinking of like, okay, well, if it happened to one woman, was that the only woman? And is there more to that? And then you go down this rabbit hole like, I mean, we saw, I don't want to go there. But I start thinking about, okay, like Deshaun Watson, that situation, there's hell of women. that he did this too. Like, is that the same as this or is this just like, keep doing this to one woman? And it just sucks, you know. Yeah, for sure. Well, thank you for sharing your perspective.

Appreciate that. I just thought it might be valuable to not just have it be us talking about your life experiences or whatever. So thank you for hopping on. I appreciate it. You're appreciate your time. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you. All right. If there is one, aspect of this story that I feel completely comfortable, just totally making fun of that I think is purely comical. It is our nomination for Booger Boy of the Year. Jamal Bowman, United States Congressman, I can't believe I don't have this tweet set up. You don't have a teed up?

I don't have a teed up. God damn it. This is how bad our fuck. I just assumed I was going to be able to fucking bring this up immediately. And this is how bad our technology is this week. But Javal Moeeman, I don't really know why he felt the need to do it. Felt the need to comfort me along as like the top priority here and was like, we're not going to let one man who doesn't appreciate the luxury of her presence.

The luxury of her presence. I was like, God damn. Speaking of America, when that motherfucker was married and said, like he had a post a tweet a tweet later with my wife. Like, I ain't shipping no shots. This is my wife.

I'm like, bro. Yeah, she might have got on your ass. After she saw that tweet. Like, you might have to do some damage to show there about him because, God damn. He was like, God damn, bro. I'm not shooting my shot.

I'm just being supportive. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The fuck. He said he was just being supportive. Oh, here it is. I'm sorry. Okay.

I undersold it, sending nothing but love to Nia Long. We're not letting a man who didn't recognize the luxury her presence was dim all her beauty and glory. Matter of fact, we need a Nia Long national holiday. And then he responded, ha ha ha, ha, y'all hilarious. Y'all do know it's okay for a man to show a woman love and support without shooting his shot. That's actually a thing. bro, I am in a position of supporting women that's my life philosophy.

I have never referred to the luxury of the presence of any of those women. The luxury of her presence. God damn. I bet his wife read that same shit too. There's a difference between supporting and they talk about the luxury of her presence. You ain't never said that about me, Bubba's.

You know what I mean? She probably was on that ass, you know what I'm? I was about to say, if you point on this thick for Nia, you, you better be pointed on 10 times this dick for white. You feel me? Yeah. You go, wow. Man, this fan asked for a national holiday.

Like, he, he's a fucking congressman. He can legit bring that shit to the floor. You know? Right, right, right. Matter of fact, let's consider. You know what? Let's consider who currently has national holidays. United States.

Everyone except him, okay. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a president. Martin Luther King Jr. Hey, if you want to give me the day off, I take it, though. Happy near long day, my brother. You know what I'm saying?

Fuck you mean. But yeah, that's crazy. From at Jamal Bowman, N. Why? Official Twitter account. God damn it, Jamal. What the fuck?

Do better, Jamal. Do better. Fuck. It was funny that, like, he didn't see that. but literally everybody else thought it like did you not reread this year a whole ass congressman bro you know how important perception is and all of that dog you know what I mean this might be more engagement than you ever got on social media you know what I mean like bro everybody thought

the exact same thing but you yeah okay Jamal Bowman's uh chief rival in the running for booger boy the year how much was the extension cat just signed Tyler 225 million. Okay. His girlfriend, Jordan Woods, just celebrated her 25th birthday. This is the letter that Kat gave to her. To my birthday girl, happy 25th birthday. After this, you get to say you're 18 every year like your mom's L.O.L.

I know every year I have showered you with material gifts that people wish they could cop King shit. But this year... That's what he said? He said king shit. He said king shit about himself lying her presence. Both the K and the S were capitalized. But this year, your 25th year walking this earth, it's actually your 26 year. I'm just pointing that out.

Get his ass. He's such a nerd. I love it. It's time to go from that girl to a full woman. You pick two businesses you want to start and I will fund them. it's time to take that next step and I will walk with you step by step in this thing we call life.

I understand the sentiment. I want to be clear. I understand the sentiment of wanting to be supportive versus just buying people things. Important dynamic to a healthy relationship. Absolutely. You can do both though.

Bired a fucking gift and then be supported, mickett. Happy 25th birthday. Here's more work. Here's a homework assignment. It's a homework. Two of a matter of fact.

Right. Yeah, but I mean, grow up. Happy 25th birthday, grow to fuck up. That's what you say, bro. Bro, like,

I'm joking all that shit. All of that shit, bro. But if it's me as somebody that 25, bro, that shit might not last, dog. I'd rather have. the businesses in the gift, fund that shit so I can make money when yo ass, you, when your king's shit, corny ass might not be around.

You feel me? So I'm like, I'm like, bro, thank you. But yes, from our perspective or from hers, I, I, but for me, I would be like, yeah, give me that funn these business. Because when your ass ain't around there $225 million ain't around, you feel me? I'll still have me some bread, you know what I mean? But I mean, he kicked the fuck up, too. She ain't, you know what I mean?

Like, she don't need that. She don't need that from him. I mean, he can drop like, you know, two million and be like, yo, I'm going to get you in touch with an investor. You will never have to fucking work again. You'll make this money work for you the rest of your life. Very easy. Right?

Like, it's that fucking simple. But I don't know, man. I guess LLC, you know, we've got to own things. Property and, you know, yeah, yeah. It is also the funny thing where people are like Twitter is not reality. And that's so true in terms of like public opinion on lots of different topics, right? Like on Twitter, everyone was like talking about the queen

and how horrible the queen was in her legacy and then like you turn on TV and it's like oh the entire country of England is lined up to say goodbye to this one but like Twitter is reality because multi-millionaires who signed quarter billion extensions like Cat fall in love

with LLC Twitter so like you're having a conversation with a 4X nigga in his DMs right now dog talking about on investments. You feel me? I just like, I mean, yes, you're absolutely, John's right.

You can be both supportive in a material way and supportive in a like, you know, in a more emotional, you know, supporting your dreams financially kind of a way. There is a time for both of those things and the birthday is the time to buy someone something nice. That is what the birthday is for. That's not the day to give somebody an assignment. Well, it's like, time to grow. up. Baby girl. This is

this is the sentence. You're 25 years old. Here's the phone number you could call to get your food truck cleared by the health department. Trying to get them hands dirty baby. There's work to be done. Oh shit. I don't know why

that just really. I was just trying to yeah, I was just trying to picture myself like trying to picture what the conversation would have been like in my relationship. I made that move at 25 years old. I think if I made that move, it would be appreciated, right?

In my relationship? Yeah. But I don't know if it'd be appreciated if I was worth 225 of them motherfucking ems. Because it's like, maybe. What's mine is yours, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, you feel me?

like I don't need a job you know what I mean so yeah that's the whole thing he can give her never have to work again in your life money and it wouldn't be a fucking dent in his pocket right right you know what I'm saying it's up but yeah

yeah you're absolutely right you break someone off $2 million and just say I'm going to get you an accountant not to start I mean starting businesses I understand people are in love with the whole LLC concept but the easiest way to lose money is to start a business you know what I mean you feel me that's a risk that's a risk right

you give someone two million dollars Not a guarantee. And a financial advisor who's going to get you 8% back on that every year for the rest of your life. You will never have to touch the principal. I mean, you know what I mean? Depending on, you can live great,

travel constantly and never touch a principle with a certain amount of money. That's just math. You know what I mean? That's all it is. That's all it is. There'll be better years than others. But there won't be, you know.

Speaking of better years than others. Can you hear so? Did y'all hear her? No. I saw me. I wish I did. Yeah. I saw me.

So me, come talk about cat. That's probably what you're making that noise. You're full of shit. I don't want no motherfuckin. You better buy me your motherfucking present. You doing all the work around here, Bubba. I'm mad at it. All right.

Speaking of better years than others, let's talk about this Stephen F. Austin football victory, the statistical marvel of beating Warner College 98 to zero. Warner College, I've never even heard of over Marcosons. It's an NAA school. Some wild shit goes on the NAA schools, man. And there's probably some studs on that squad that could be D1 athletes. You know what I mean? And then there's some other people who probably could not.

89. on the zero side. 89 members of the Stephen F. Austin football team played in the game. I wonder how many had ankle braces. It's wild and AI, man. It's the most points ever scored by a whack program. They scored 59 points at half time.

They averaged 11.5 yards per play. Oh, first down every fucking play down. Jesus. They were up 35-0 after the first quarter. I mean, you could just go through the box score. The whole shit, the entire fucking thing is hilarious. It's just, it's like, they basically had a season's worth of passing offense in the game. They threw for like 700 yards.

Jesus Christ. How many? Did the defense score at all? I imagine that happened. number of times too, right? Yeah, and they had a return for a touchdown as well. Yeah, they scored four touchdowns in the first six minutes of the game. Bro, I need to send me to breakdown.

I need to read this. I will, for sure. It's a statistical marvel. We did have one other football story I wanted to talk about, which is, who do you guys think is the most unintentionally funny person in America? Would you, would you, would you, okay, Super Bowl, Super Bowl Hall of Fame matchup, James versus Michael Irvin? Ooh, that's enough.

That's not. James has given us some great moments. We're losing recipes. Bro, I will say that to my grandkids, dog. You know what I mean? We're losing recipes. They won't understand it. I might understand it.

I'll be senile and I'll still be fucking saying the shit. You know what I mean? I would say, I don't know, I'm leaning towards Michael Irvin. The picture you sent us was hilarious. And that motherfucker When we played in that cold It was cold It was cold, man

Bro Because I feel like So many four players And full of shit Were like It's cold We don't care adrenaline pump

We want to get out there Play football Nah motherfucker It's cold Right Right Right Right

That's bad Motherfucking for saying That shit And And sometimes cold Like it was cold Like it wasn't the same Cold

We played in that cold It was cold It was cold From what he said It was cold You know I mean? Right, he got made fun of so much for that. Country nigger shit.

He got made fun of so much for that tweet. But if you picture him saying it, it makes perfect sense. Bro. We might have said that maybe not, you know, like on national television. I wouldn't have written it out. Right, right, right, right. But when we were playing that cold, it was cold, bro. You feel me?

Like I said, it needed to be said, ain't no way in hell you playing a minus 18 degrees and not cold, bro. Right, right, right, right. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but it was cold. When we played, that's basically all they said. Well, similarly. Also, we losing recipes. We are. I hate it.

We losing recipes. It's the truth. I know the, eat the W and shit, was cute enough. But Uncle, Uncle Irvin is spreading facts. He's spreading truth. You know what I mean? He's telling the youth what they need to hear. You feel?

Well, today all he was doing was being told by his co-hosts on national television not to trip as he was. walking on set that actually happened on camera because he a man who famously wears glasses did show up to do his broadcast today without glasses someone commented on it along with a picture of him and if you wear glasses like I do you've ever been in a situation where for some reason you don't have him you know the exact face he's making he's opening his eyes as wide as possible to let the vision in and it's really the opposite of what needs to happen right because But I've been like this too.

Right. Like that's going to help. But really this may help a little more, the squinting. But regardless, bro, like, that's that, you know, we know when we wake up, we don't have our glasses on. That's that feeling of like almost dizziness because you can't see, like, you feel?

It's like everything's running together. So someone tweeted at him, oh, you're going without the glasses today. You know, for the record, I like to look with the glasses. And he just quote tweeted and said, no, I forgot him at the hotel. bro, I can't see anything. Anything, dog.

Bro, he's looking into the fucking future, bro. That shit is crazy. That feeling is wild, though. Because of that exact face and the feeling that I know he has, I've contemplated LASIC so much, bro. Because, like, I don't want to have that feeling in times where I need to not have that feeling. You know what I mean?

Like, I get in a fight with my glasses on. It's cooked. I will wear my contact something. Sometimes like this is a chance, there's a chance. There's a minute chance I'll get in a fight. Or get punched in the face. You feel me? So let me put my contacts on so I don't have that face in that moment, dog.

You got to think a lot when you're a blind motherfucker out here living life like you ain't blind, nigga. The cold world. I've never got along with contacts. It was cold. It was cold. You feel me? I've never got along with contacts, John.

I have had my glasses lens punched through the frame and it left. bloody circle around my eyes. I've been trying to skin. Not a good look. It's not a good look. It's not a good look. It's not a good look. It's not a good luck.

Because I was, this dude was pressing me, you know what I'm saying? And he was out there with his homies and shit. And in St. Louis, for whatever reason, the frats operate like gangs. You know what I mean? They'd be fighting every night at the club and shit, you feel? Every weekend. So anyway, dude pressed me like, you know, on some other shit. And then I pushed them off me because I was thinking,

I have my glasses on if he punches me in my glasses and breaks my shit I'll never hear the end of it and I can't fight with these motherfuckers I can't see shit so I pushed them to get some space you feel me

and he tripped and fell and I guess the motherfuckers thought I stole off on them so they was about a jump meet luckily I had some homies with me you know what I'm saying even my home girls are squaring off which I always hated that

but the glasses almost got me in trouble so I think I have trauma that's why I think Let me point if there's a 0.1% chance I get in the fight, I put my contacts on. You know what I mean? You never seen with glasses out in the club again, a bar and none of that shit. I don't play about it, man. I thought about that what happens in apocalypse.

I just got to go to Lenscrafters and like open the drawers up and just try everything until something works. Like what I mean? I got a weird one too. Like one of my eyes, my left eye has really bad astigmatism. My right eye has like sort of okay. I've had glasses since I was 18 once. 170 with the stigmatism, bro.

Right. So my shit is fucking. I've been wearing glasses since I was 18 months old. I had the shit that had to like tape to the side of your head. You had the Coke bottles, bro. My little brother had them. I had the Coke bottle, Coke bottles.

Like my dad cried the first time he saw me wearing the glasses. He was like, look what they did to my boy. Look what they did to my boy. Bro, me and wife, he got like the same prescription. Like, our shit is damn near identical. I'd be wearing them little weak-ass glasses. Her little weak-ass glass around a crib. it's convenient as fuck

putting them on like a monocle nigga just let me bar you that's convenient is that's the most underrated compatibility stat I ever heard of I have to put that on a list all you young is out here

listening tap in oh shit okay we got two more topics one of them John suggested great topic John which foods

are better when cooked by racist people. Barbecues for sure at the top of the list, at the power. You know what I'm saying? That is the runaway, number one right there. You know, unanimous MVP vote right there.

I have talked extensively about how Caucasian cuisine is very bland, very lacking. But I will say that our Caucasian brethren and cistern, I think that white men are the best. Sistrin. I think white men are the best barbecues on the planet.

And I think white, okay, what did you say? You said what? I think white men are the best barbecues on the planet. What, racist men, right? Yes, there's got to be some racism. Like, not a white motherfucker and like blue state Connecticut or some shit, no. And you're not that liberal racism. We're talking about, you know what I'm saying, the MAGA shit, full blocker.

We don't want that basic shit, nigga. Not in this house we believe, but also I'd prefer if the schools were segregated racism. Right, right, right. We want you out front. You know what I'm saying? You know, let's go branding flag on your fucking back of your truck. I need that barbecue. You feel me?

Yeah. So I think white men are the best barbecues on the planet. And I think white women are the best dessert bakers on the planet, too. Mm. Bro, that's that, bro. Loke. That's, I was saying, like, this one more people is like, like I said, when I want barbecue, I need that full mogging shit, bro.

You know what I mean? Like, I was out in, um, there was a couple of, you know, dudes that had the thin blue line, shit on. I was like, okay, this barbecue from the slap. When I was out at, like, two out, too, over in Glendale, wherever the fuck I was at, picket apple. I'm like, okay, this is fucking Glendale. It didn't slap. I was like, you know what? This is that

Glenndale is exactly what it sounds like, Tyler. Right, right. This is that, this is that pardon me racism. I don't want the pardon, you know, pardon me, brother, racism. I don't want that shit. I don't want, I want, you know what I'm saying?

When they come to that barbecue, there got to be some hating that motherfuck You know what I mean? Some bigotries to see This guy's got me some These niggers These not even niggers I want you to do

These niggers You gotta be a little bit of that That motherfucker I gotta be nice and charcoal Into the motherfucking meat You know what I'm saying? And also I mean homie was like

But they side is trash The size do be trash They make Maybe because of their racism They make white potato salad Instead of the yellow potato salad which is a better option, right?

But the apple pie and shit, beat slap it. Racist apple pie and like Americana desserts, you feel me? And racist barbecue is fucking fire, bro. Fire, the best. The best. If they own a grill,

need some hatred. If they make an apple pie, throw a little nigger in that motherfucker and I'm a slap. I'm going to gumble it down. You feel me? Thank you, Kelly. I'm walking about that motherfucker

I will take you a step further and say I think that all food is better when made by racist people and I would say when I have been to barbecue places run by black people in Southern California if they are talking about how Mexican people should learn to speak English

Oh Barbecue is going to be delicious The smoke in the sauce is going to be perfect Go to be crazy I don't know what is the correlation between absolute

ignorance and the best barbecue on the fucking planet? But there definitely is one. You know what I mean? And it's consistent, bro. It's consistent, bro. But Tyler's a grueless and is a good person. There we go. Tyler's the exception.

Tyler's the exception. Tyler's the exception of the rule. In 99.9% of his existence, okay? Of course, he's the one kind person. Tyler's the only person who's on Twitter all the time that is a tolerable person Like you know what I mean He breaks all kinds of rules

Right Right Right Right Oh shit Okay the last thing He's muted because his takes are too good That's like that's what old

That's what Shell said about football I mute him because it's too true It's too true Yeah All right The last thing wanted to talk about is ants. Oh man.

Fucking ants. All right. Can we just say fuck him? There's a study out. This has actually been a question scientists have been wondering for like over a hundred years is you see this all the time. There's X number of insects for every person. There's X number of species of spiders on the planet, whatever. There are so many ants that scientists have never previously come up with an estimate for their population that they felt comfortable with.

Until last week, a study involving scientists on every continent published, this study was published that estimates there are at least 20 quadrillion ants on Earth, which is 2.5 million ants for every person. The body mass and weight of these ants, if you piled them together, would be greater than all mammals and birds on Earth. combined. Quadrillion. How many zero? I've never heard that. I thought that was a joke word that we said as a kid. It's 20,000 millions.

Jesus Christ. So there's five. No, no, no, excuse me, 20 million billions. Wait, so there's nine extra zeros? So if there was one billion, it would be 20 million of those. So it's, so it's six extra zeros in it? I don't know, dog. A million. So it's seven extra digits.

Ah, math. No. I think the mind-blowing shit is the whole weight stack. Like, bro, more than mammals and birds. Mammals, like, more than fucking blue whales and people and polar bears and fucking ants. You know what I'm saying? Where fucking a million of them weigh like one ounce. That's ridiculous, bro. Also, though, aren't they like they can live 50 times their weight?

Yeah. Bro, if they would figure out how to band together in a particular way, like in a horror film way, that honestly, ants may be the scariest thing on the planet. No one, as far as I know, there's not really a good, like there's arachnophobia. There's plenty of movies about bees. No one's really done an ant horror movie, have they? And ants be, I've had way worse issues with ants and spiders. You know what I mean? like spiders you know like

rather be in mid-conversations slapped the shit out of spider and we keep talking I never really got the thing with spiders you know what I mean? But like they just they look scarier yeah but ants like ants are like dude they'll take over your fucking kitchen for a summer

you know what I mean they got shit called grease ants I ain't even heard of that you know what I'm saying if you leave out some peanuts or some shit they they they buy you feel me somebody need to figure that out But John is interesting

They're not scary looking at But they can live 50 times away So there's something there Yeah There's something there But I had the same thought as you Like oh wow If they ever teamed up

And then my follow-up thought was Then what? They already like By most metrics You would think of biologically They already rule the earth right? There's more of them than anything else They have the whole surface of the planet covered

But it's also weird Because I'll kill an aunt Like since a child with my finger Just one boom Right. You know what I mean? But there's still so many. And you have 2,499,99,000

999 to go just to cancel out your one person's worth of ants. Like my family of four, there are 10 million ants on this earth for us. And I feel like this about every human is like an ant mass murderer. You know what I mean? Like every human will like die, having killed at least like 10,000, 20,000 ants on that. At least.

You know what I mean? At least. we used to pour gasoline down ant holes did you ever do that? Hell no Well that's how country I am bubble My mom When my mom got vindictive When we have an ant invasion in the house

Which southern California is the whole thing is an ant hill right We'd get an so in the summer in Long Beach It gets hot The ants are coming into your house We pay exterminators to put up a perimeter around the house and shit Once a year they're still coming in the house They don't give a fuck about none of that shit. My mom, when she would get vindictive, she would boil water,

and she would pour the water down the ant thing. And she would tell my brother and I, come over here, you can hear him screaming. Your mom is hilarious. Could you know? Did they make a noise? No, no, no. But she had my little brother like, what?

That's right. I think gasoline killed water probably would have done the same thing. Boiling water was a job. wasn't to have poured on you as any kind of organism. Yeah. We poured gasoline down the Anheels back of the day. Did you set them on fire or you just pour gasoline down? I don't think we set them on fire.

That was a long time ago, man. You feel me? That was, you know, that was in, I think, middle school. Well, it had to have been a long time ago because now you would not spend that much money on messing with hands. We got through our $5 a gallon. $6 a gallon out here. Fuck out here.

Bro, hey, fuck right, right. It's cheaper to call to Orkin, man And have him use his gas Come on, go ahead. But shit, don't Kid at me? But yeah, man. Yeah, that's crazy.

That's crazy, though. All right. That's all the time we got for today. Thank you so much. Biko for hopping on with us. We'll be back on Thursday. Hope everyone's week gets off to a nice start. We'll see y'all soon.

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