The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jenkins and Jonez - We're back and we missed you...sorta

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

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Gambling problem, call 1,800 Next Step, or text Next Step to 533342. Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on the Volume Podcast Network. It's Monday, June 27th, and we missed you guys, sort of. We've got a lot to talk about today, including we're going to do our own draft, which I'm very excited about, should be a lot of great top-notch nonsense. As always, Jenkinson Jones, hosted by my good friends, is Rack and Fly Jones, aka Tyler. Hey, everybody, have the gun.

It's been a while. You haven't used that voice probably in a week and a half. The voice is a little rusty. It's been a while. Had to tune it up. Got to tune up, shake the dust off it. Jethro Jenkins, aka John. What's that, Bubbas?

I'm Garty B. A.k.a. Mike. And we did. We took a week and a half off. You know, listen, we got, we got some tweets. I understand people miss the show. Jenkins and Jones used to take the whole summer off. Oh, yeah.

You'd be lucky you got like one pod from us from like June to August, bro. We did not give a fuck. We did it the right way. We did it like the European way of working and shit, right? Right. And we're on the holiday. We talked about someone we gave a fuck about it. I think I put in the description,

Legeritha, like Legetha Jingis and Dragonfly Jones talking about shit they actually give a fuck about. And in the summer, we don't be getting to fuck about shit. but being summer ass niggas. You feel me? It was a different era as well, you know, and everyone's lives.

So the summer agenda did not used to be taking the baby to her first swimming lesson. I told you, I got emotional, G. Got emotional. Walk by.

There's just like, it's like a, it's like a center, right? So like they have the preschool shit on the way there. And I saw the preschool sign. And I looked at Ratha, I said, oh, one day

we're going to have to take her there. And I like, started like feeling some weird. shit inside of me and I sped off. She's like, what's wrong with you? Why are you walking so fast? I'm emotional. And then we're about to turn into the swim thing.

I'm like, holy shit, she's already having her first swim lesson. And then I got emotional again. This is a weird experience, guys. But yeah, she had her first lesson. She did really good. Cried about 35% of the time. She hasn't seen a lot of kids. Not bad.

Yeah, that's a great number. Once she got comfortable, it was cool. It was cool. That's league efficiency. Only crying 35% of time on your first swim lesson. That's Will. That's Will. That's Will rookie year.

100% All right, before we get into the next step, let's talk about the NBA draft just happened. I just have a couple notes from the draft I want to throw out there. Number one, I'm glad Paolo went number one. I know that there was some like different feelings about the top three guys in this draft.

He was always to me the obvious clear cut most NBA. I just, I didn't understand it. And so it made me happy. It was a little bit wild. They took him number one without I haven't worked him out. But I felt like it was that clear that he's the number one. guy to me. So I guess that makes sense. Yeah. I think once I saw the news that they mentioned him 610 bear, but I was like, oh yeah, he's going number one. Lock it up. Yeah. Nice suit too. I think that's

what really got him over to the hump. They saw that purple. They said that man has charisma. Not many can pull that off. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? A razzle dazzle dazzle there on that young man. A little razzle dazzle like the cut of that guy's gym. Look at them diamonds. You know what's funny is like you can sit here and go like, oh yeah, if his suit hadn't a fit so well, they, you know, they wouldn't have drafted a number one. But then you hear stories like 20 years later, and it really is shit like that. Like, I think I was just hearing about the Bears drafted a quarterback number one because the GM liked that he drove an old car.

Really? Dog, I forget the kid's name, but did you see how some kid was listed as like 23 on Google and he got that shit fixed like 21 and he jumped up on so many fucking draft boards? Did you hear about that? No. Wait, so they were Googling him? Yeah, he was Googling himself. I was like, yo, I'm coming up 23 everywhere.

And then he, you know, got that shit fixed. He's really 21. And he said he, like, jumped up on boards. I got to find the kid's name. I forget it. No, but what's tripping me out is that the people that were recruiting him were using Google to find out his age and shit rather than talking to actual people to know how old he was. You know what I'm saying?

Which is I. You know, we use Google to look at these motherfuckers. If you're recruiting him, I'd hope you wouldn't just use Google. You know what I mean? To find out this big age. But you'd be surprised, bro. You would be surprised. And it's funny, listen, having covered, I think I could talk about this, having covered like top draft picks or first round guys in baseball, football and basketball in Long Beach, you can literally look on our Google analytics in the, in, in, during draft prep season. And you can see like I went and looked at it after Peyton Watson got drafted by the Nuggets. Oh, right about here. There's a whole lot of activity on our website from Denver. Because they literally are. They're just, I mean, part.

Part of the pre-draft process is so there's someone who's reading everything, who's looking at every video, who's trying to see, oh, in the background of this video, when his teammate turned the ball over, is he cussing his teammate out. Like, they're combing through everything like that. They have big stats to do that. And it is funny. I have thought about that, like, you know. Was this before a guy drafted? You saw these numbers? Well, I didn't go, you know, I don't go look at it.

I didn't go look at it before. But I was thinking about it because we had the same thing when Juju got drafted by the steep. dealers, you go back and you look like, oh, yeah, everyone in, there was a little circle of people in Pittsburgh that were all over our poly football condition. So that's the new thing. High school reporters, we need to be the ones who unite and find the Google Analytics trends. To know where Peyton is getting drafted, you know what I mean? A hundred percent. I also want to talk about Chet. Can we use, can we just use the Slim Reaper for Chet since KD didn't want it? It's such a good nickname. I hate that no one has it.

No shots to that kid, but he's not cool enough for it. Also, like, what is he done? You got to earn that. That's too cold of a nickname, bro. I think that's still, Katie's thing. I don't give a fuck. I'm telling my kids, that's a slim reaper. You feel?

Here is my trivia question for you guys, and I expect this to stump you. Chet went number two, which means that the streak of, let's do some white history, some Caucasian history. Oh, wow. Jesus Christ.

The streak continues of a white dude from America not being the number one pick. Who was the last white dude from America to be drafted number one overall or what year was it? Good question. It can't be Bill Walton. It can't be that far back, can it? There's one more recent than Bill Walton. Is it all boy from Duke? Was he not drafted number one that year when he went to the Olympics?

Boy, Leitner was in Shaq's class. Hell no. No. Shee. No. Shee. Um, hold up, man. I'm gonna get this shit.

I'm gonna get this motherfucker. It, it, it wasn't long after Bill Walton. Is it, is it, it's gonna be some motherfucker like Joe Barry Carroll or some shit or? It's a, it's a name I would not expect any NBA fan of our age to have ever heard of this name because I had never heard of it until I went and hit the Googles for this. 1977. Um, who's who's that motherfucker? Jack Sykma or whatever? What the fuck?

Kent Benson. Kent Benson. Never heard of him. With that butler-ass name. Who the fuck is Ken Benson? They put a moratorium on it after that. That said, Kit fucking up for everybody.

That was enough. Has there ever been another Kent in the league since him? They don't even draft Kents anymore. We got Ken Baysmore. Right, right. Yeah, that's about it. That was about it, yeah. But yes, Bill Walton was before him in 1974.

for, and Doug Collins was actually, like the year before Bill Walton or whatever, different era, which actually we will get to when we're talking about the different eras of the NBA. And I would just say that I think that does say something with all due respect to Kent Benson. Let's talk about the, oh, go ahead, John. And I was just wondering, like, how, like, I didn't, it's, we all wonder why Leitner was on the dream team, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, how to fuck did he make the dream team? I think you had, did you have to draft one college player to?

time something, something weird like that was going on? Or they just wanted to, so. They just wanted to fuck over Isaiah Thomas and have it hurt as badly as possible. I understand that part, but also like Shaq was there. You know what I'm saying? Later was a great college basketball player. But like you said, Tyler, nobody was drafting him over Shaq, you know what I'm saying? You can make a case like, like, you know, besides like, you know,

Kareem and Bill Walton that later, you know, he's right up there with like all-time great college careers. You know what I think it was the, it was the quote-unquote, you know, right pick because, you know, Shack was a sophomore. Latner was a four-year, you know, guy, you know, two-time champ, Nate Smith dude. So, you know, he had all the accolades. But he damn sure ain't have more talent than Shaq.

Nobody did that. Shack came into the league averaging 25 and 12, I think, his rookie year. Yeah. Bro. Laytoner was not that. You feel me? So, well, I think that, you know, having read Jack McCollan's book on the dream team, they were very conscious of, like, this is being a representative for the sport.

And there's just no doubt that a, like, a white dude who had a, four-year career at Duke. At Duke. It was something they were trying to add into the mix. You know what I mean? Was it two Chipsy one too? So yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's the, it's not like people don't talk about the racial dynamics of the NBA, but it is like, it's just overt in everything in the league's office. And it's like, if they could get, we talked about that with Luca. The agenda is going to be thriving. It's crazy. At some point for Luca, you know. And so it is like, yeah, I don't think there's any question.

Like the McDonald's happy me. plastic cups that we all had from the fucking dream team they wanted another fight on that shit with all due respect to Shaquille give something for the kinks to look forward to you know what I mean or to wish for uh yeah you're right overtly um let's talk about the new jersey nets the Brooklyn nets um boy this has been this has been the the story of the off season so far. Tyler, I think you're enjoying it more than most. Oh, buddy. Oh, buddy. Am I? Where are the nets right now? And what are your thoughts on the situation? Gentlemen, do I have a take for you guys? But I have been thoroughly, thoroughly enjoying this.

We don't have basketball, so we got the drama here. And I've been loving it. And it's looking like this shit is about to blow up, bro. And if this all blows up in Brooklyn, if Carrey walks, and if Kevin wants out, make no mistake about it, this shit is on the now. It's not on Kyrie. It is on the nets. And y'all know I am the furthest thing from a Kyrie apologist. Right. But this would not be on Kyrie.

This shit will be on Joe's side and this shit will be on Sean Marks. And look, man, I get, I get it. You know, Kyrie has proven to be extremely unreliable. You literally never know what you're going to get day to day with him. You know, locking Kyrie in on like, you know, a highly stipulated deal that incentivizes availability and dedication to the franchise. That's the physically responsible. way for the Nets to go about this.

The Nets going about this deal on that matter makes all the sense in the world from a business standpoint. And it makes no sense from a people management standpoint. It is a terrible way for the Nets to approach this from a people management standpoint. Because the Nets are making a mistake here that so many corporations, like

not just NBA front offices make. And that mistake is being so concerned with, you know, preventing or like mitigating financial loss that you sacrifice people management and sync employee morale in the process to do so. And then the fallout from that comes back to bite you in the ass even worse than what you were trying to prevent on the front end because, you know, you shit it on your employees in an attempt to protect your bottom line. So then your employees decided to drop their nuts and let you know who's really making shit move around here. We see it all the time and that's what we're seeing here. And the Nets should have known better, right? They should have known better because the Nets knew damn well that Kari and KD were packaged down when they locked them in. We all knew that. Karee and all the shit that comes with them. That's the KD tax. That's the cost of having KD locked in on your team.

And you knew that when you signed up for this. And on top of that, when those two agreed to sign on with the Nets, that was the biggest moment in that franchise's history since they moved to Brooklyn. That's the biggest splash that franchise has made since moving to Brooklyn. There's a certain gratitude that should be paid to those two from the Nets forever for being the first to stamp them in the way that no other superstars did. The right way for the Nets to approach this is you pay those two every penny. and you retire them as nets,

and you hang those jerseys in the rafters, and you set the precedent that you're a franchise that takes care of your guys. Because this shit is big in the Kari. The reputation and the perception of your franchise is on the line here. And, you know, for a franchise who, like, you know, prize themselves on being anti-Nicks whose whole brand is, you know,

you want to live in New York City, but you want to play for a confident franchise. Come to Brooklyn. If they lose Kari and KD, all that shit is dead, bro. Like, this, that's enough. This would be an all-time fumble. You know, y'all fumble those two. y'all are basically the Knicks with an in-house DJ who sprang's a little more biggie in his playlist.

You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, man, there's a lot of shit that I'm not on Kari's side about, you know what I'm saying? But I'm on his side here. There's a debt of gratitude that isn't being repaid by the Nets. The Nets are trying to get around paying the KD tax that they signed up for. The Nets are reneging on the handshake agreement the gentleman's deal that they agreed upon that, you know, those two are a package deal. They're prioritizing, protecting, you know, their investments so much that they're shitting all over, employee morale in the process and it's looking like it's going to cost them big.

So I understand fully why Kyrie wants out. He's probably gone. I think that bridge is already burning. Soon we'll see if KD follows suit. So the fallout from playing horrible with Kyrie and going back on all the shit you agreed to when you sign up for these two could very well be fumbling every motherfucking thing and opening the season with Ben Simmons as your franchise player. And the Nets will have no one to blame here but themselves because like I said,

although the Nets approach us in a very physically responsible way, they approach us in a terrible way in regard to employee relations. And you have to know when it's time to prioritize employee morale over your bottom line. And this was absolutely one of those moments. But, you know, good for them. They put their foot down. They sure did show Kyrie. And, you know, I hope it was worth it because it might have cost them everything.

But we'll see how it plays out. You should be hired. You might get hired from this. Yeah. Like, outside of basketball. Like, bro, you put that HR hat on like a motherfucker. You know, this is my bad, bro. This is a human resource.

It's a head on, bro. You know what I'm saying? Hey, you might get some job offers. Right? Right. You're right. But no, I mean, everything you said is a fact. Everything you said is a fact.

You know, and this might be, we were talking, what, a few years ago, like, with them having hardened, like, how can anybody beat them? You know what I'm saying? Like, guaranteeing them a chip at least once out of the next two years and we've seen what they've done with it. I mean, this is one of the biggest fumbles we've seen. You know what I'm saying? And also, like, we talked about, like, they don't need coaching.

Like, what people were saying that shit. You know what I mean? And they got Steve Nash and they just threw a coach, just threw somebody at them like here. You know what I mean? Bro, this is, I mean, there's a bunch of things that they've done to fuck it up and they're just continuing to do that. You know what I mean? Like you said, they knew Kyrie was a package due with KD. You know what I mean?

Kyrie hasn't been easy, but you get fucking Kevin Durant out of that. Maybe the best offensive player we've ever seen in our lifetime. And you're willing to let that go, you know, over like, you know, some, I don't know, it's just, it seems like a, it's a dumb. decision from my seat as it's a regular motherfucker watching basketball. I can't imagine being in the seat making decisions and thinking that's a smart way to go about this. It's ridiculous. The thing about going all in is that

you go all in. You can't go all in and then hedge. You went all in. You went all in with those dudes and it's exactly what Tyler said. Once you decide you're rolling with them, you're rolling with them. You can't half step to that shit because one of them turns out to be a little less committed to basketball than you want.

Like you're going all in. And teams do sometimes need to make fiscally irresponsible decisions for the sake of the future of their franchise. I've talked about this on the show before. The Lakers did that with Kobe Bryant at the end of his career. Does Bronn, are the Lakers viewed as a different franchise if they, if Kobe Bryant ends his career as a fucking grizzly or something? I mean, yes. You know, I do. I do. I do. I do. I Does Braun look at the Lakers differently approaching his free agency? Does AD look at the Lakers different? I think that they do.

I think that that matters. And ultimately, as you said, I mean, the league is about those 10, 15 game changers at any given point and where they are. It starts and ends there. And we could talk about the job the Warriors have done putting people around Steph and Clay and Draymond, including obviously, you know, all-timer and Kevin Durant. But it comes down to those top-level dudes. I mean, you're just not winning with. oh, their balance at the small forward position and their depth.

You know, I mean, it's just, it has to start with the big, and then you fill in the stuff. And what's ironic to me about the Nets, which you didn't mention, is they did a great job of all the secondary shit. They put a great team around that. They put shooters. They put depth. They put experience.

But they didn't put a coach who had experience, which has been a running joke here. You just can't, like, you can only turn up Kevin Durant's minutes so far, because at some point there's only 48 of them in a game, right? And so that's what's kind of shocking to me is they mismanaged the easy part. You did the hard part. You got the two premier dues and you built a good team around them. And then you fucked it up after that.

From that point, you put in a good veteran coach and you stay committed to your stars and try in year by year build the best team around. Like, that's it. That's the whole thing. They shut the window on themselves. What are they going to do with that money, though? You know what I'm saying? Like, you have Kyrie. And I know he's been, like, this year he's been annoying.

And Kyrie just in general, just an annoying motherfucker. Just a weird, just an odd kooky dude, you feel me? But he's still 27, all 46% from the field and 41 from fucking three point line. He was 50, 40, 90 the year before that at 26 points. You know what I'm saying? Kyrie is not the issue. He didn't play that well in this series, right? And he got hurt the series before that.

But what the fuck of you else you're going to get that? What are you going to do with that money? Like you, like you said, Mike, the easy fix is a coach. You need a fucking coach. You know what I'm saying? You have a God tiered defender coming in with Ben Simmons. You know what I'm saying? Like, that'll help with the defensive woes.

You know, get in some guys to do some dirty work. You feel me? And you got a fucking other chance to run at a chip. You know what I mean? It would be difficult, obviously, it's not guaranteed like the years before, like we thought at least. But you, I mean, the fixes that they can do are really easy. And the stipulations that kept Kyrie from playing. last year aren't don't exist anymore kairi can play basketball there's those those situations

don't don't don't cause him to sit on the sideline so i don't know why what what is the purpose of pushing this is not going to make the team better you know what i'm saying it's just it's just ridiculous it's it's it's it's a it's a it's a it's a dragon contest and the nets can't win this you know what i'm saying you don't have chrie bro you're not kd like no one in the front office is one of those 10 or 15 guys in the league they aren't there's no contest Who they want to spend that money on? Who they're going to spend that money on? Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's just weird. It's, they sidesteped such, they sidesteped such a very simple fix to, to try to, you know, assert their authority here. What the next should have done is, yo, Kyrie is our guy. We're paying them every fucking penny. The end. Twitter calls you stupid for a day, but you still got fucking Kyrie and KD. You know what I'm saying? That's all that fucking matters.

And they're about to fumble this year. And you might get whoever. And you might get whoever in, right? Because they're not going, well, what the fuck are they on? Right. Right. every potential pre-agent for the next decade gone. You're in New York.

People want to come there, just be a decently, you know, like ran organization, and you can make it work. You can find somebody, a third guy to come in there and figure it out. I mean, you already got three actually with Ben Simmons. You know what I'm saying? But to Tyler's point on the HR front, you have to understand as a front office that the players in the league feel differently about Kyrie than Twitter does.

Yeah, he is like he is probably the fucking league favorite. You know what I'm saying? He's a Hooper's Hooper. People love that dude. And what they're seeing is you going, oh, Kyrie's trying to make a decision that's, you know, right for his family or whatever. I disagree with that viewpoint. But you know that that's not like a minority opinion in the NBA. Those are the people that you're trying to get to come to your team.

Every NBA player who I've interviews talked about Kyrie being in top 75. It should be easy. Okay. And that's the guys, like you said, are trying to get to come to your team. Stay off Twitter. Don't listen to me what I got to say about that, nigga. Don't listen to us, bro. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Listen to the people you are trying to get to come work for you or work for you or work with you. You know what I'm saying? Like what the fuck? Oh, and that's going to say if they try to pitch Wiggins. You know what I'm saying? Who went through the same shit that Kari did?

They would have no shot at getting him private. Right, right. And Wiggis is a great, great player, but he ain't going to give you the bang for your book you're going to get with Kari? You know what I'm saying? Not yet. But I mean, you know what I'm saying? So it's crazy. Prayers up if this continues to implode for the, I'm sure, underpaid Nets ticket.

sales office representatives who are going to have to call, who are going to have to feel the call from the people who had the, I'm sure, six figure court side seats for the year to see Katie and Kevin, to see Katie and Kyrie, who are now going to the Ben Simmons

show and I'm sure what will not be a discounted rate. How many, how much office are going to see on that team? Like, if he's the center of it. You know what I'm saying? This is going to look like 2004 pistons out of this motherfucker. But, um,

Dog, the Twitter detectives have been on it. Like, they have removed Kyrie from, like, all of their press releases and all their tickets. I saw that. That's been over the last few weeks, though. Like, it's been, like, they've, yeah, it's been consistent. They've kind of leaned towards this. And I think it's kind of blown up over the last week. But steps have been made to get it here.

That's just silly. Praise up. Petty. It's the petty as shit, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's the pettyest weirdest shit. All right. Should we do our, our draft?

Are you ready? Are you fucking ready? Are we ready? It's draft time. We don't know shit about the college players because we don't watch college basketball because it's trash. So we're creating our own different draft.

I know enough about college basketball to say, fuck Mick Cronin. I don't know about that. Well, you've got a top five player and he's playing 12 minutes of fucking game. I know that shit. And I'll say it. You feel me?

Because I don't know that, nigga. All I'll say is this. Okay, there's a dude named Derek Martin, who is an NBA guy who came out of St. Anthony in Long Beach played at UCLA. He tweeted at the UCLA AD after Peyton was drafted. And he just said, we have a first round talent that couldn't get 15 minutes a game. Something's wrong here, Martin.

Real. Oh, we call that motherfuckin fucking Martin too by his first name. Hell yeah. Okay. I just say this, man. If NBA, this is all I'll say on it because I'm not trying to get, you know, I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. Just a text to me and I'll say it, bro.

If the NBA GM says, we think that this 19 year old kid has. NBA, all defense first team potential. And you have a reputation as being a defensive-minded coach. And you don't have a spot for that dude in the rotation. Damn, I don't know. Someone's reputations fucked up. I don't really like comparing players to guys, right? Because, like, dog, you know, compare these motherfuckers to Michael Kiddick Gilchrist.

You know what I mean? Like, that's what most of these guys are going to be. Wait, wait, wait, wait. People are talking about Chet and Giannis and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But KD compared him to himself. KD said that Peyton, didn't he watch Peyton and said he reminds him of himself. You know what I mean?

KD pulled up to watch him. Watch him play and talked about how his game was similar to his own. You feel me? Six foot nine, six foot 11 wingspan. Bro, you feel me? Loves playing defense. I mean, for what we saw in high school, God tiered offensive player. and you want to just have them sitting on the end of your bench,

12 minutes a game, three points, you know what I'm saying? Like, bro, like, what the fuck? It's just, I just do not understand that, bro. These niggas need a nigger. I hate who said it, but it was right. But, God, damn. The vessel wasn't the one to deliver that message, but the message came from God, okay?

It just went through the devil. You know what I'm saying? Amen. It is so funny to me how frequently I hear people quote Robert Sarver. Bro, because he was, bro. It went past all the wild shit. Hey, I remember the moment reading that shit. And I was like, hmm.

I love it and I just hate where it came from. But, hey, the truth is the truth, regardless of who the vessel is that gives it to us. All right. So, as John said, in light of doing. instead of grinding the tape, we had a conversation, an actual genuine conversation between the three of us and the group chat. This is not like a contrived pod thing,

but we really were kind of tearing each other up over Steph being a top 10 dude or not and what that top 10 looked like. So what we wanted to do is a draft where we're each going to have three picks. It'll be a snake order. So 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 2, 2.3, 3, 1, 2, 3. our producer Jackson is going to do the 10th pick

but I want to just get a couple points clear we're going by like at their peak how they'd play now right we're not going by like who has the best numbers on the paper or whatever is I'm building a team right we're building a team like it's going to be like a three on three team right so like I don't want to approach like building team because I feel like you're going to overlook who's the best player and like pick for your needs

I'd be looking for a big or whatever right yeah that's what I'm me, yeah, so I thought we were doing, because you said we were talking about a three on three, who would win in a three on three turn in. I mean, we could see how it shakes out after that, but I don't, I don't want us to go into this thing, okay, I need a wing now, okay, I need a big now. I want us to pick the best guy available, you know what I'm saying? Okay, because the conversation sent from, you know, it's Steph top ten now. And, you know, I said, if there's an all-time NBA draft, you cannot tell me that

10 guys are getting taken over stuff. No fucking way. I don't, because, I mean, also because, like, it's, he's a second best point guard of all time. So if you're trying to fill a spot, yes, if we're doing it like the NBA. But I mean, bro, like, I'm not, I'm not, I told y'all, when I sent you all that statute, I said, I said, bro, I'm like, this is, this, this is a top 10 career, you know what I'm saying? But I'm like, I just don't know who to take off on that list. Because, I mean, when you get to that point, it becomes gods.

And I want to say this too. Steph did enough to, I said step did up to when I think he did. I think everybody averages. I mean, when the last time we saw a motherfucker not average 30 to win a, win a series? You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, I think, like, Braun had 29. and 12 or some shit. What's your boy?

And Janice had 35 and like fucking 16 and some shit. Kauai had 29 and like I think eight. You know what I mean? So great series. I just don't know like based on what we said starting off. I don't know what he did in that series to make him jump these guys. And it's just really hard to jump these guys. You know, I think it's extremely debatable.

And we said that. Well, look. So the other thing is the way these conversations happen is more so. by a moj. I mean, it's the same thing when they do the all-N-B-A or they do all-stars. You always go, well, this dude's an all-star and go, well, who did you take off? And people can't really take him when I'll be like, but I just feel like he's at an all-star caliber. When you look at that list, that feels like a top 10, like he should be

obviously one of the best players, but that top 10 gets, it's so crowded. But it's the same thing with Magic having a Mount Rushmore that have five people on it. I've got 14 dudes in my top 10, you know. The top 15 is top 10. Sorry. I got 15 top 10. of her dues. Bro.

12 of them I would put in the top 10 and three of them I wouldn't even though I acknowledge the top 10 dues. So, uh, all right. Jackson, can you, um,

get up a random number generator or something to help us out with the draft order? Yes. I did that while you guys were rambling and the, we're rambling. Okay. We're setting it up, bro.

We're being. We're being jesus and jose and you guys are rambled. Uh, the draft order is number one, Tyler. Number two. John. Number three.

I thought we were picking numbers. You just gonna- How'd you do that? I had a random dice rolling internet website. I assigned since there's six numbers. I did one and two was Mike, three and four was Tyler, five and six. What was your roll? Don't matter, Mike, you third. This motherfucker's sore loser.

I am too, though, so I get it. He did the draft order in the darkness. That's all. I'm just pointing that up. I didn't see him pick the ping pong ball out of the fucking machine. You want to recount? You want to re-al. Tyler, John, me.

me John Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, John, me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is someone going to keep a tally of things here? Yeah, I'll write it down. Yep. News guy on the fucking job. So we're going to make the pick and then we'll talk about it all in the end, right? Yeah.

Well, and then I will probably discuss each pick depending on it. Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Okay, so, I mean, I don't think there's any suspense here on who my number one pick is. It's LeBron, it's LeBron Ramon, motherfucking James, senior. The biggest fucking, you know, I don't think. anyone maximizes your team better in NBA history than LeBron.

I think he's the greatest fucking basketball mind ever. You know, so that's a no-brainer for me, LeBron, for sure. Michael Jordan, come on, dog. Yeah, that too. Do we have to even explain that shit? And then no-brainer, and I think about the LeBron thing, I've gone back and forth with like, but I've just, LeBron's the best basketball player ever seen, and I saw Jordan at his peak.

But I think Jordan with his career and his accolades, I think he's the greatest. You know what I mean? So one or two, it's all. You know, it depends on what you, what you lean towards. It's all good. I'm going to go with, in whatever order you want to put, it doesn't matter. I got three and four. I'll go with Magic and Cream.

Makes sense. I got them right there, too. I got them. That's three or four right there. Okay. It's me. It's my turn. It's my turn.

Yeah, I start. Be sneaking. Now is where it starts because I feel like that, you know, the top four, you kind of know where we're going. So now I'm curious from here on. Top five, I think. Top five, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

I think for me as well. You know, I think Kareem was the, I think, I think Kareem was the only big that I've said that I think I would choose over what. I think Shaq is obviously more dominant, but Kareem average, I mean, we'll average 30 and 20, came into the league averaging 35 and 27. Just a god, you know what I mean? And I mean, I just, I just, best athlete maybe we've ever seen in the league, just completely unstoppable. And he'd be unstoppable 400 years from now, you know what I mean? So, I think, I think, I think, as well. The comment I would make about Will is when you look at video of old basketball players,

which we famously have done and not been super approving up, you don't always see. I think no people that made the cut of Will and build. Everybody else kick rocks, you feel? You don't always see the way that it translates to the, like Will Chamberlain, like Johnson, you can't picture a version of basketball that he would not be one of the most dominant. Like he, I just, he would be in any era what would be up there at the very top. So yes. Bro had a 50 and 25 season.

He's good any time. Like if we had a fucking D12 kid out there averaging 50 and 25, he'd go top five. You know what I mean? So for sure. I think looks good at any era. What's interesting is the old heads now like to talk about how today's players would do in the 90s. I think it's a much more interesting conversation to talk about how older players would do now. And I think you can make the argument that Will would be more dominant in 2022 than he was at that time because of his size.

and the fact that there's no one really fucking with him physically like that. He could pass. You know what I'm saying? He could score. Yeah. He would be a phenomenal in today's game for sure. He was MVP in rookie to years for his first year and he was a scoring champion for like seven or eight years straight. Like my nigga, wasn't nobody fucking with him. We could talk about Bill Russell winning more. Right. He used to get fucking cooked by Will. You know what I mean? You put Will in the space and pace era of Bigs with undersized Bigs. I mean, who like, pull Will on any team in the NBA playing against the Warriors in the finals. Who is matching up with Will Chamberlain?

Zero. On this year's NBA championship team. And he's got more space than he had at that time because there's a three point line and people are playing out to that. And he's so much more physical than Duzar now because he plays that way. Like, I mean, he didn't have a Euro step at that time. That wasn't available to him. They weren't calling fouls on soft contact.

Like, I mean, yeah, it's, I think you can make the argument. Wille Chamberlain more dominant in 2022 than he was in the 60s. Sure. Well, keeping it with the dominant thing, I'm going Shaq, bro. Like, I've told you all before. That makes sense, too. Yeah, there's times I think 3P Shaq is the best basketball player I've ever seen in my life. Like 2000 to fucking 2002 Shaq, I think he might possibly be the best basketball player

ever ever seen my life. Man was averaging 37 and 16 and three blocks per game in the finals against the fucking defensive players of the year. Like fucking Ben Wallace gets praised for holding him to 26 and 14 in the finals. He gave fucking Matumbo 40 and 20 that game one And we overlook it because that game one is AI's moment Right and shouts to AI He deserved that shit

He went for fucking what I think 48 and hit the game winner But yeah, Shaq man, for sure You've got the most modern team And it's interesting again because people talk about Today's era like it's softer But you've got the most modern team out of all of us You tell me LeBron and Shaq come from the I mean there's somebody on television

There's somebody from television at a time tell you they couldn't have done it back then. That's ridiculous, yeah. All right, your other pick, Tyler. Oh, shit, yeah. Let me goddamn. Let me goddamn. Let me goddamn.

Let me goddamn. Oh, shit. We're here already. I'm going with KD. I'm going with K. I had Katie coming in at 10. Like, because I think, I think, Steph and Kady and Yonnas are the three, I think, can make the top 10.

Like, about end of their career, right? But I looked at like And the only reason I chose Katie at 10 was because I looked at Steph in his career And like bro, you look at the numbers of all-star selections first team all-NBA And like, you know, Steph's best, you know, like ability is it's offense, right? Katie's the best offensive player we ever seen. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, how do I squeeze step in?

His career is better based on the chips. But I think he has what? I think he has four, he has four, he has four, three more, he's been in the final three more times so he's been the final seven times and Katie has more finals MVP in him you know what I'm saying so it's like little things like that you know what I mean so plus averages I think he averages

he averages more to stuff shoots close to stuff you know what I mean as far as percentages I mean uh free through from the three point line I think he shoots better from the field so it's just it's hard bro go ahead is my turn though it's my turn you got pick eight you bet to fuck me up that's not how I thought this was going to go

I didn't think. Oh, my God. I thought KD was 10th. I thought Katie. If Katie snuck in, it was 10th. I think it was. I thought I was going to sneak KD at 9. I thought I was too, bro.

I had him at, I had him and Kobe right there at 9. I can't really fuck with Tyler's team. LeBron, Shaq, and KD is fucking. I mean, the only thing you could possibly do on that team is try and run Shaq, basically. But in a competitive environment where Shaq wants to win, you're fucked. I think I'm going with Tim. I think I'm going with Timmy. I'm going with Tim Duncan.

Boo! I know you're a Tim Hater, but we saw the stash, nigga. The numbers ain't lying, and it was in a very, you know what I'm saying, a difficult time to win, and he did it over. The longevity is almost unparalleled as far as not making the playoffs every year's career, came into the fucking league going crazy, you know what I'm saying? Taking chips from gods, you feel me? It's hard to not say that Timmy is right there.

So it's between Timmy and Larry for me, but I got, I got 10. Yeah, bro was a 2612 and three block per game MVP. Like, come on, y'all. I mean, what we, yeah, what we, what we, what we, what we're arguing about here. I'm annoyed as fuck. Might go be a hell forever. You got to take the first white man on the list. You got to take it a Celtic?

Bro, you're going to have, you'll have, go, go, go, y'all put me in a situation where we're eight picks deep and no one picked Bill Russell. No, Bill, I think, no, I'm going to be honest with y'all, us talking about Bill. Like, I feel like his career allows him to be in that conversation. I mean, at 15 to 22, nothing to scoffet, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? And he was winning at all levels. I think he won chips every year from college throughout his entire NBA career

every year except for two years. That's a God, bro. You feel me? But, yeah, I just don't think, like, when we're getting here, I think when we were talking about who we pick as a player, his career is much better than anybody else is. And it's, I don't know if Steph's that much better for a player to balance out the career. But if we're talking about Hoopers, Steph's a better hooper. You know what I mean?

I mean, Bill has the greatest career. He's the most accomplished player in the NBA history. But I mean, I'll give y'all a spoiler. He didn't make my big board. If we're just talking about just straight up talent picking guys at their feet. Top 10? Did not mind either. And I was arguing about him last time.

He's on my list of three, top 10 guys that I would not put in my personal top 10. Can you guess the other two? one's timmy d i feel like the selfics hate is gonna keep bird off timid d and bert well larry bird has two strikes against him on my wife yeah if he'd be a white an exiledc um

it's timmy it's timi it's timi and bird right of those good okay yeah yeah that makes sense let me say this about timi before i make my last pick which i don't feel great about but which i'm gonna make here's the thing you're talking about basketball you're talking about not crunching numbers not fucking who can make the most tiles or whatever you're talking about

an art form that's physically acted out right and you're talking about as John said so many hundreds of thousands millions of people have played the sport you're trying to cram the top 10 into the top 10 there's easily 20 people you could put in the top 10 so someone could make an argument for Hakeem

and I'd be like absolutely facts 100% right there's people that aren't going to be in here you can make a I mean Kobe Bryant this So many people you can make. Has anyone who is not a Spurs fan ever been inspired by Tim Duncan? Has, no,

but seriously, has anyone ever been moved by Tim Duncan that was not a San Antonio? Has anyone pretended to be? But that's where you got a reach to, to keep him off the top 10. Shit that ain't got shit to do with basketball. Fats! It has nothing to do with basketball at the same time.

It has nothing to do with basketball, but it has everything to do with the art. Everything to do with the art that is basketball. Dr. J is not a dude who Most people our age would put in a list of whatever, right? Yeah. But the coolest basketball coach I've ever known, a dude named Sharif Matoir was a coach at Polly before Shell.

Okay? Used to, this is an OG dude in Long Beach. Used to walk around practice when the team was fucking up, like shaking dice in his hands. We roll the dice and that was how many suicides a team had to run. You know what I mean? So fire. Is he still alive?

Is he still alive? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to shake that man. He's not even that old. He's not even that old, but Dr. Jay. That's the shit Sarva was talking about right there, bro. These niggers need that nigger. Not a nigger, that nigga, bro.

You feel me? Sharif's nickname is Doc because of Julius Irving. And this is a dude who did not, I mean, like, this is a dude. This guy's not 80 years old. He's a youngish guy. He's not that much older than us. But, like, that was what Julius Irving was inspiring in people across the country. I don't see that for Tim Duncan.

And to me, if you're talking about 10, that matters enormously to me. Cultural impact, how much people care about you, whatever. Jim Duncan is a fucking spreadsheet, bro. Dr. J might be the second coolest hooper ever behind like AI, though. Like this. I think Dr. Jay may be the coolest. I think AI is the coolest to us because of our age group. You know what I'm saying?

But that's why I'm explaining to you why in my list of 12 news is the top 10. Dr. Jay is on there too. Yeah. You see him now with the motherfucking boop on the island. My pick at nine is Oscar Robinson. And I think I'll make the same, I'll make the same argument for him that I would make for Wilt that I actually think he's arguably more dominant today

than he was back then. A guy at that size, he had outside scoring ability for that era. And so I've got Magic Kareem, Oscar Robinson. John's got M.J. Wilt and Tim Duncan, and Tyler's got LeBron, Shaq, and KD. And we got Jackson coming in with the number 10 pick. Who you got?

he's going to fucking pick Bill Russell. He can't pick the person. I was not expecting. I was not expecting to have to leave off Steph Curry from my top top. You were not expecting that Larry Bird and Bill Russell would be available. I was not expecting that Larry Berg was going to be here.

And I'm just going to just going to, I think that at their, we're talking about best players, talent at their peaks type of thing. I think at their peak, Larry Bird was just as good, if not better than Magic Johns. best best statistical year just if we're going to he was i mean there's a god magic johnson magic

johnson average 24 points a game 12.2 assist amazing 52% from the field 20% from three also six rebounds they're almost identical in size they're almost identical accolades except for for rings Larry bird's best season here average 29.9 6 assists nine rebound is shooting 53% 41% 92% just different in the 80s in the 80s so if that guy had like modern, modern numbers and modern trainers to like get become the best shooter in the league now. That's probably like as good or not better than Steph in terms of shooting. I just think that he's in terms of peak, Larry, and team building, like guy who could big pass shoots, like whatever rebound, whatever you want him to do, it's, it's Larry Bird.

And go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say, I think Larry Bird's better than stuff too. I don't make step as a pass bird. Me too. And that, and that's what I was talking about last week. It's like, it's not that Steph doesn't deserve to be in a. top 10. He's done everything to the deserve to be in the top 10. And he's only going to do more. You know what I mean? Like I said before, Steph has like a, like the best old man game we've

ever seen. He's not dame, like where he shoots from those distances and then takes hits when he goes to the lane. He uses his floater a lot. He's not on the floor getting beat up hellas. You know what I'm saying? Like, Steph can do this for another four or five years. You feel what I'm saying? Like, and I would not be surprised. You know what I mean? But it's just like, gee, who are we talking about though? And I mean, and so like, it's not the, Shade, do nothing, talk shit about stuff. Bro, I love watching stuff. I've seen just as much step as anybody else, motherfucker.

I'm gonna turn that motherfucker on when that demon playing basketball. I don't give a goddamn, you know what I'm saying? What the hell going on in my life? Saw me here, sit next to me. We watch a basketball. Baby girl. You feel what I'm saying?

But no, you feel me like, so, but it's just like the guy, it's like bringing everybody up and like who are the people on that list. And it is thick. And there's not a lot of room to have gaps. You know what I mean? And if you're going to be the best offensive player to,

You know, if you, like, people like KD, who Tyler picked early, which I was surprised. You know what I mean? Like, dude, you had a dude on your team, same circumstances. I think Steph was the most important player on that team. I think Katie was the best player in that team. And he proved it with his play in the biggest moments. And that's why I say, that's why, like, that's talking shit about, you know, Katie was on your team. No, I don't do it that way.

I'm talking about in the top 10 list, we have to talk about it. Because, because this is who he's arguing. who we're arguing, you know what I'm saying, to take away for Optalus to put him on there. And that's my point, gee. You know, I don't think it's not how he doesn't deserve to be on there. He deserves to. It's just very fucking difficult because they're the best to ever do it in a game that's been around for as long as it's been around. It's hard.

Yeah. So it's not a shit. It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, I'm not shitting on stuff in any way. Well, we could, we could do, we could, I mean, the other thing that I would point out, we could redo the draft with a different order or whatever. We, we come out with different stuff every time based on, based on, based on, like building teams out and all that other shit too like i think i mean i you know look i i made my case about tim duncan aware i i i obviously as you said the stuff he did on the court is it's it's it's impregnable you know but you found a way to hate and i thought it was unhatable you found away you found a way well look i mean the who was he inspired we saw the video during the finals

of the um the monk in tibet pulling up from from a steff spot right like this is a dude who forever changed the way basketball is played. So to me, I think there's room. I mean, I do think there's room with Sam. I understand by the numbers. I certainly understand it. But I do think it could be one of those things that's funny 30, 40 years, whatever, when our kids are watching basketball, if it keeps going and the direction is going, if the pendulum doesn't swing back and they don't legislate away some of the advantages of the three-pointer, but this might be like leaving Jesus Christ off the list. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what I was going to say.

If you're someone who prioritizes impact, Steph is probably number one for you. When we go back and look at basketball history, there's going to be a definitive before Steph and after step. Like basketball just like BC AD. You know what I'm saying? Like he changed the game that much. And the biggest thing that I've seen from stuff to do,

like the most amazing thing is when I went to watch my little brother play basketball he was in fourth grade, one pair of LeBron, which my brother was wearing. You feel me? Maybe two or three other pairs of KDs, everything else with Stephs. So while we're clowning them fucking shoes online, them kids

is wearing them motherfuckers. You feel me? Shuffleboard ass, start of a cruise-ass shoes. Hey, they're wearing a hell out them motherfucking trash safes, you feel me? So, yeah, gee. I mean, his impact is undeniable on the game and the generation after us.

Yeah. We have a saying at the 5-6-2, which is the kids are never wrong. they might not always be right but they're going to be here when we're not which means that they're not wrong right you feel me it be like that

I don't care how ugly we think the shoes are at some point there'll be a solid era when we are not here and they are here and good for them though because fuck listening to us dog I don't want a kid coming to me for fashion advice I'm old bro you feel me go wear them colorful cool ass pants and shit gee

you know what I'm saying don't be like me dog you know what I'm saying making a decision for me the chicks don't like that shit that I'm doing you know what I'm saying in your age group do you do your thing gee my five top 10 players who did not make it into their top 10

that's it step not in no order step yeah hekeem Kobe Dr. Jay and Bill Russell all my guys made it except Steph yeah I think I think I think Kobe I think Kobe is right there like he could be nine

you know I mean I think I could have picked Kobe and done an all-laker team. I just didn't want people saying, oh, he's being an all-laker dude. I thought it was going that route. I thought, but I think, but I also think the big O fits with Magic and Corr. I mean, you're going to see a beautiful type of basketball that I don't think has been on the court. Yeah, I mean, that thing's going to be moving. Don dropping. That's all I got is ball movement.

Crazy, crazy. But I mean, that's the thing, bro, when we talk, if you being talked about in these, that's what I think I said it last week, too, he doesn't need to be top 10, like on a list for us to for him to he stamped he was stamped before that fucking series you know what I'm saying like you know like if you're being discussed in these conversations gee fuck everybody fuck the number you're at you know what I mean like dog you a god that's point that's point blank period so Mike you want to run off the the top 10 then we go into our personal ones yeah so uh our top 10 was LeBron MJ which is a that's a Jenkins and Jones Hallmark.

All three of us were going to take LeBron number one, correct? Yeah, I didn't know you were LeBron Go type of dude. I thought you talked to show's aesthetic by having us out here with the MJ number one. Do your thing, gee. You know what I'm saying? Ron MJ, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, KD, Tim Duncan, Oscar Robinson, Larry Bird. Wow. You got Larry pretty low, gee.

By trios. Tyler has LeBron Shaq KD John has M.J. Wilt, Timmy. I've got Magic Kareem, Oscar Robinson. Robertson. Excuse me. I think Brian, KD. is Shaq mopping everybody.

I'm not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for so, for so, for so, for so. I know, I know. You put it KD at 7, prioritize your team being the best team over the order that it would have made sense to put people in in the top 10.

And I respect that enormously. I thought I was going to have the KD late and was like, I'm going to get KD to like, sure we can run the point a little bit. You feel me so it would be a good team as well. But, I mean, at the point I had, I had to pick Timmy's. I thought I was going to have magic Kareem KD. Larry might have been a good pick as far as a fit for a team. But, you know, Tim is just a better player to me.

But yeah, man, my top 10, I mean, LeBron and Michael interchangeable. You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to. It's just, like I said, you know, his greatest versus best to me. And I think either one of the jersey is number one. Kareem, Magic Shat, Will, Tim, Larry, Kobe, KD.

I think Kobe squeezed in and nine. That's solid. My top 10, I got Bronn, MJ, Shack, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, KD, Timmy, Bird, stuff. I went back and forth a bit with Kimi and, with KD and Timmy. I mean, I for sure think that Timmy's higher all time on the, you know, flat out all-time list

than KD, but that's part of me that's like KD at his peak, you know what I mean? Like, that motherfucker was Thanos, bro. That motherfucker was a reckoning. You know what I mean? So, yeah, so, so I gave him the nod over to me. Even though I don't give him the nod over to me all-time. I gave him that in the trap. And like I said, Shaq is not one of my top three

all-time players, you know, of all-time, but he's for sure number three on my big board. Like I said, because fucking, you know, three-peach Shaq might be the greatest basketball player I've ever seen. He was a fucking monster. So who did you leave off to put stuff in? I mean, you could, who would be my 11th? It might be Kobe.

Kobe might have got bumped here. Okay. I mean, it's probably between like Kobe and Akeen. So. Can you go up there, G. Yeah. Sheesh. Dream was a motherfucker.

It was a bad motherfucker. He used to give Shaq Fitz. I know Shaq was young. But he had that motherfucker doing circles. 25 and 10, 12 on his tippy toes. You know, it looked like a ballerine in that motherfucker. All right. Before we get out of here, we did want to get to do it.

a little interview with Jackson because he did have an interesting time with the NBA championship and this is our first step but we did record right after the finals but he was he was prioritizing other things over us he was doing interviews

with people who just won an NBA championship because he thought that was more important it's funny he had the best and worst seat you know what I'm saying like as a as a you know a motherfucker that is like you know obviously Jackson you got to here, you heading to the fucking, the stars, you know what I'm saying?

You heading there, you feel me like, what you're doing at your age is just fucking amazing me. I can't believe that shit, bro. I was trying to, I was, I was, I was a year away from getting turned, like getting my car getting, uh, declining off for fucking ground shut. You know what I mean? And you're out here going crazy. So like, dog, you know what I'm saying?

You know, it's incredible. I love that story. As a Celtics fan, you know, you know, but also like you being in the, in the locker room that had to be crazy. Hey, y'all remember when Birdman tweeted that shit about how he lost half a million betting on the heat when he posted the pickup up him party with the vass? That was Jackson, bro. Jackson was 2011 Birdman party with Dream-Oad and shit.

Tell us the story, man. Give us the deets, bro. Okay. So I'm going to try to tell the story in as full away as possible without including any details that would get anyone in trouble. Oh, give us one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that.

I'm not going to tell you. I mean, I'm sure to tell you the story. You're not going to know what I left. Okay. So, so first, it was a bit of a chaotic getting, getting into game six because the plan was, Dre really wanted to do a if slash when the Warriors won the championship, a from the locker room post championship podcast. That was the plan. So whenever the Warriors got to three wins, which is after game five, I knew that meant I was going to be going to all the subsequent games on the chance that the Warriors close to that. Fly to Boston for game. six. Dre is a very, very, very, very busy guys trying to focus on winning an NBA championship. I'm not no, no, no harm because it all worked out so, so well. But I didn't get a ticket or access to the game, but I didn't get a way to into the game until 7.30 p.m. Boston time for a 9 p.m. start on game. I know you fucking nuts was in your stomach. I was just like, they mean, I was stressed. But I was also like, look, man, there's nothing I can do. Yeah. I'm just doing my best. I'm just doing my best. So get the ticket. Thanks to Draymond. Draymond also connects me with a team security guard to

help facilitate me getting my backpack with like my laptop and the camera and like all the equipment that I needed into the game. So that's a bit of a chaotic pregame right up until tip out basically. This is all happening. Shout out to Antoine the security guard for getting me in with my bag. Game is the game. Everything is fine. Antoine. Well, you're a huge Celtics fan. So I do it is. Okay. So the game is not quite the game. Here's what I'll say. say. Here's what I'll say. The Celtics lost. The Celtics lost. And the part of what I'm about to say could be attributed to the fact that it was a game six versus a game one. I was also at game one. TD Garden was much louder than Chase Center. Much louder.

Celtics lost. But at the points when it was loud, it was freaking loud in that. But then anyway, so the Warriors win. And I've been instructed to stay in my seat, me and my coworker, Fabian, to stay in my seat because Antoine, the security guard will come retrieve us at some point after the game to bring us to the proper place to do the podcast. You are luggage. Bro. The game ends. The trophy celebration's happening.

They're all busy. I'm like, great. We can just hang out here, just watch the trophy presentation, all the stuff. Eventually, once the trophy stuff ends and all the players go in the locker room, I'm like, now I'm kind of getting a little bit of antsy. I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen now. But I'm like, whatever, we can just hang out here for as long as we want. Wrong.

the TD garden staff was like, all right guys, like time to go, trophy stuff's over, like everyone got here. And we're like, okay, we're with Jermon Green for this podcast. They were like, you got a pass? We're like, no. All I had was like a ticket. And like my bag that was a lot, like,

they were like, you have a specific pass? And I was like, no. And they're like, get the hell out. And we're like, no, no, like you don't get it. And the security guards who are just doing their job. And who did not probably give a fuck about NBA media. They don't care. They're just building.

They're not like Celtics people. They're just building staff. And they're like, and I'm like, the guy goes, literally you swear to God. He goes, we've heard enough bullshit today. You got to go. That sounds very exhausting. I'm like, I'm sure people are constantly lying to you to try to get into cooler places in the arena.

So I understand. But weren't you in the locker room though? How the fuck do you get? No, I'm in my seat. Okay, okay. Still waiting. And still waiting to hear from Antoine. I'm waiting for Antoine to retrieve him.

I'm waiting for Antoine to see us. And so they're slowly. just like pushing us out. We're trying to tell our story to any security guard who will listen to like try to someone to help us out. They're just pushing us out and pushing us out. We are at the exit, the last place before we're kicked out of the building. Finally, a security guard's like, okay, like, let me see what I can do. At this point, I've been like calling people, who can I call to, like, save us basically. And basically, after the people I've got in touch with, they're like, you can get back to the court, we can probably help you. But we're not going to go roaming through

TD Garden to save you. And I'm like, okay. So I tell this, and there's guardian angel TD garden staff woman's like, what do you guys need? I'm like, can you get us to the court? She's like, I'll do my best. She goes, stay with me. Stay tight. You're not like, like, like I'm a child in Disney.

Like she was trying to get you out of. Like Mike is rushing through the airport with his kids. Like everyone don't let, don't let go in my hand. She knows how real this shit you get. If you get lost, you cook, bro. You feel me? Right, right. So I'm like, okay.

So we like, follow this woman. We get to the top of the lower ball. I'm like, can we go down to the court? She's like, no, this is as far as I can take it. you got to have someone to come here. I'm like, we're so close. But like, fine. So I'm like calling people.

Finally someone comes up and is like, I'm taking them down. Someone was like, you can't bring them down. And he was like, but I got an E on this pass. I can escort anyone I want. Oh, wow. The security guard's like, all right, fine. Takes us down to the court. We get the proper wristbands that we need, or at least for one level of security.

But we still don't have like a pass. And I still haven't been in touch with Antoine. So like, we're down there for a little while. Antoine a band. Where the fuck is Antoine? He's coming. He's busy. He's like sort of, he's more or less.

is like personal security guy on the Warriors. And I see Drake on the court and Dre's like, oh my God, Jacks. He's like, I got to do a couple more things and then we're going to do the pot. I'm like, great. I'm just like staying like five people right. Let me stay within the halo of I'm not yet. Exactly. Security guards are still like, you guys got to go. Like you can't be up. I know you got a wristband, but you can't be on the court? Antoine. I'm like, can you someone? Antoine finally calls me. He's like, all right, I'm coming. I'm blah, blah, blah. Antoine comes to the court, retrieves us, brings us to the media room, which has now been used all the player media is over at this point. And so he's like, set up in here.

I'm going to get Dre. We'll do the pot in here. I'm like, this is perfect. We got the finals backdrop. Like, this is sick. Again, Dre is a busy guy. They're celebrating half. An hour and a half goes by now.

You're just hanging out in the media room for an hour. We're just hanging out. Just hanging out. They still have the fucking soft serve machine on at least. No, not even that media room. Like where the players do their press. Just the press room. Just the press room.

And then finally I hear Antoine go, Jackson, I know it took me a while, but I told you I was going to get it. him, I got him. And then I see Dre like Walton in his jersey with Clay and Igudala and Gary Payton. I'm like, oh my God, this is all happening. We were just sitting here waiting for an hour and a half. And now it's like go time immediately as fast as possible.

We record the pod. And then naturally, as a 26 year old, my coworker, I don't know how old he is, but he's in his 20s. We're like, okay, we got to get into this after part. Because all we hear for this hour and a half, all we hear for an hour and a half. Now let's get down to the real business. It's fun walking by this room talking about this park. that's all we hear for an hour and a half. We do the pie, we record for an hour long we recorded.

Half hour, 45 minutes. It's great. We're wrapping up. There's not the many people up in this room. And I'm just like, so, Draymond, like, where are you guys going now? And he's like, he's like, hold on. What are you wearing? Did you dress for the after party?

I wore, I was wearing cuff jeans, sneakers, and like a button down. You dress for whatever, just in case. I was like, I got to make sure that I look nice enough to be media at a final game. I thought I was going to get a credential. Yeah, yeah. at first. But also I can't wear team colors and I got to just like find this midpoint, right? So I'm like, where are you going? It's like, oh, we're going to this party. Like, you guys want to come. You should come. We're like, we do want to come. And so then we like pack up all of our stuff.

And I'm like trying not to get lost. And Dre hasn't even showered. We have to go in the locker room and shower. So this is what the first time I get in the locker. We walk in the locker. It's a carpeted situation. The carpet. It's like a marsh soaked in champagne. It is like squishy when you walk. I'm like, this is wild. There's so much empty bottles of champagne in there. It's crazy. And then after a while, Jay, like it's whatever showers, we walk in through the TD Garden to this like bar restaurant venue that's connected to TD Garden. And all of a sudden, we're just in the Warriors after party. Yeah, damn. We're just in it. It's worth the hell, dog. It's great. It's worth the hell, dog. And then we're there, we're there for an hour. And I'm like,

I still got to go back to my hotel and edit this project. So after like an hour, hour and a half, I'm like, all right, I got to go. And like I said bye to this, I don't know how long the party went off for, but I had to leave. And I had to leave this is probably, because like, so much time after the game. You're the only 26 year old in America who would have left that party after an hour. I know. My bosses love me, baby.

Hey, you should have. I think Colin would understand if you would have called him directly. Like, look, bro. And so that party with the warriors. The rest of the story is not even like warriors related really. But like I go back to the hotel, edit the podcast until like 7, 7. 7.30 in the morning. Get one hour asleep.

wake up, got a pack, get breakfast because the reason I'm in a rush, because I happen to be the same weekend going directly from Boston, I have to fly to Las Vegas for a friend's bachelor party, which is what I did for the next 36 hours after. You can only do that at 26. You can only do that at 26. I was a zombie afterwards. Right, right, right, right. A day later, it would have been over for you. Yeah, so that's my story. That's my story. Wow. Didn't, wasn't in there for the champagne shower, but.

I saw it all happen and I got into it. Sometimes you got to lose the win, gee. Sometimes you got to lose the win. Took that self-exel. So you got the best night of your life potentially, you know what I mean? I don't got a lot of, I don't got a lot of complaints. You were almost kicked out of the arena and it almost didn't go. It almost was a disaster.

But it ended up working out perfectly. So I had no complaints and only things. Let me say to you, doing media guerrilla style like that is so much more rewarding than having a credential or like whatever else. I covered in Olympics like that with no credential. All we had was contacts with the teams and with individuals. individual Olympians. And those stories, those are the, those are the best. That's so much better than the press conference. What did you take? I know you took something as a souvenir. What'd

you take? I didn't take anything other than, other than the, the, the, the, the, the shirt that was the Celtic shirt that was on everyone's seat, like they wanted everyone to wear green. I took that. That's all I do. Too responsible. Way too responsible. I don't take a way too responsible. I don't take a way. I took, I took a, I took a selfie with the trophy at the party. I can, I will say that. Okay. You didn't. You didn't. You didn't. I took a. I took a. I took a take a champagne bottle? You're a real one for not dropping no tea, bro. You're a real one for that too, bro.

I'm not like a, protect your connection. I'm not like a, take pictures with celebrities guy, but when we were in the party, we're like, it'd be pretty cool to get a picture with the show. That's tight.

All right. You're not the only producer of this podcast. He's had a big couple weeks. Biko has brought baby Ariya into the world. We're super happy. The most fertile podcast in America. continues its reign of terror. I believe this is our third podcast, baby,

in the 15 months we've been with the, with the volume. Congrats, Biko. Congrats, congrats, congrats. You're going to be a great mama. For so, for so. So excited. I hope you did not listen to this podcast, but hopefully someone tells you that we shouted out,

Baby Araya. Welcome, baby Araya. Congrats Beko and fam. And thanks to everyone for tuning in. We'll be back in the middle of the week. We'll be back on our two episodes a week schedule. and we'll talk to you all soon. Less basketball.

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