The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jimmy G wins, Lebron's Qualified, Overlooking Justin Herbert and Howie Long talks Mike & Kyle Shanahan

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

Colin doesn't care about Jimmy G's stats, he wins and in football that's all we care about. He explains why LeBron James is uniquely qualified to handle the weight of the Kobe Bryant tragedy on the Lakers because of what he's already been asked to do in life and in basketball. Plus, Hall of Famer and FOX NFL Analyst Howie Long comes on set in Miami to talk about playing in the Super Bowl and what it's like having a son in the game similar to what Mike and Kyle Shanahan are dealing with. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Taylor will be joining us on the show today. I'm going to pepper him with questions about Joyce childhood. So get ready for it. Very excited for that. It is much brighter and warmer than it was yesterday. It was a little, a little cold, a little overcast. We are in full Miami swing now here on South Beach. By the way, there are a lot of amazing cities. I do apologize for the rest of the American cities, but let's just hold all the Super Bowls here. Yes. Last night went to an Argentinian Steakhouse in Miami. We're doing music. I'm not sure I slept. It was just, I have left, left my own persona in Los Angeles. I mean, look at his place. It's paradise. Let's start with this. I'm reading a story. We have perhaps many believe the best football player

in America in the Super Bowl, Patrick Mahomes. It's a remarkable story. Yesterday, we talked about the similarities with Kobe Bryant, not drafted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, drafted 10, or overlooked. Dad played pro sports, falls into really good coaching as he enters the NBA or NFL, and they were asked very early, Patrick Mahomes now, Carrie be the face of the franchise, and I think he can do it. But I want to talk about Jimmy Garofalo. One of my favorite things about sports is finding the gem before we all know it's obvious. A couple days ago I saw on the internet, Derek Jeter? The scouting report in high school,

the scout for the Yankees in high school, talked about Derek Jeter. And he's like five tool star. And I was like, if this was up for auction, I would buy it. It's fascinating. I remember having a high school conversation in a prelude of my best friend,

Jack Jones in high school in 1983, and I told him about this band from Ireland. They were called you too. He didn't like him. And I told him in 1983 they've got one album. They're going to be amazing. I love stuff like that. I think it's cool to find something that becomes great before everybody knows it's great.

Isn't that what everybody's trying to do with the stock market? Find the stock before it becomes Amazon or Microsoft. Jimmy Garoppolo. One of the things I like about the NFL is about winning. The NBA can be about style. Baseball is about stats. other sports are about many things. Football's about winning. Jimmy G. went two and O in New England, then five and O in San Francisco, 2017. He's now 23 and 5 as a starter. I do apologize if he's not

on the House of Highlights on Instagram or he is not as productive for your fantasy team. But this is the thing about the NFL, and this is one of my favorite parts of sports. My entire life, and I think Joy does this a lot too. I'm trying to. to give you insight that other shows don't give you. There's a million radio shows and a million talented hosts, men and women doing what I'm doing, men and women. But I'm always on the phone trying to get information, trying to find it just a second sooner,

so you feel like you're kind of part of a club, a club that has information. And in the process of doing that, I've always had a basic rule. Find people who are smarter than me in some particular field, listen to them, and if they work as hard as me, and as they're as diligent as I think I am, then trust them. So for those of you doubting Jimmy Garoppolo, ask yourself this, do you think Bill Belichick knows more about football than you?

Do you think Kyle Shanahan knows more about football than you? Bill Belichick was going to replace Tom Brady with Jimmy Garoppolo, who was 2 and 0 as a starter. And Kyle Shanahan paid him $27 million a year. Actually, the first year cap hit was $35 million, and he had five starts. So ask yourself, there's a reason a scout could predict Derek Jeter. There's a reason music critics talked about the Beatles before they were the Beatles. Do you think Belichick and Kyle Shanahan know more football than you? They certainly know more than me.

Think about how willing to commit to Jimmy Garoppolo before the rest of us. And I just, that's when I went all in on Jimmy G. I'm like, Belichick's going to replace Brady? Kyle's going to pay him 27 million a year. I'm all in on this guy. By the way, I'm not a big stat guy, but there are stats that matter. And Jimmy Garapolo is never going to be a stat monster.

The receiving core is young. George Kittles, good, but often heard. They are a run-first offense that wants to eat the clock. We saw that against Green Bay. That didn't ask Jimmy G to throw a lot. So with Garapolo, there will. be numbers I will monitor and they will not be touchdown passes. They will not be yards. They will be wins and they will be fourth quarter football. This year in the NFL, Jimmy Garapolo's

passer rating when trailing was 117. Aaron Rogers was in the 80s. That matters. That's a stat. trailing late time running down pressure on you can't rely on that big running game behind you you gotta make throws jimmy g trailing passerating this year 117 i'd say it's pretty good Aaron rogers first ballot hall of famer shy of 90 just shy but just shy and remember this we have revisionist history on stuff in Tom Brady's first six Super Bowls, six and O. His best Super Bowl was his sixth. But if you look at Tom Brady, and this is what football is about winning,

his best Super Bowl, statistically was Philadelphia he lost, his worst with the Rams he won, which one do you think he preferred? But if you go back to Brady's first six Super Bowls, or first six playoff games. Brady's first six playoff games. Never forget this. If you think Kyle Shanahan is the one winning for Jimmy G. Or the running game.

First six playoff games for Brady, get a passer rating over 100 one time. Going back to my initial point, the scout who saw Jeter, and the time I tried to tell my friend, Jack, that you two was going to be great in 1983. You have to trust people. You have to trust people who you think maybe know a little bit more.

And Shanahan paid him 27 large, and Bill was going to replace Brady with a kid from Eastern Illinois drafted in the second round. That is why I like San Francisco Sunday and why I think Jimmy G, not Mahomes, could end up being the MVP. Let me shift to this. Two players have mostly dominated in the last 20 years. have dominated this Super Bowl. Joe Montana with four, Tom Brady was six. Ten rings between the two of them in the last 20, 25, 30 years. Yesterday, Montana came out and said, Tom, don't leave.

I've done it. Don't leave, stay in New England. And I was thinking about, you know how like when you're young, your parents give you advice, or you hear like cliches and, you know, sayings and truisms, and a lot of them are just like ridiculous cliche. But there is one, because I've moved a lot in my life, and this is one I always think about. Grass is always greener, right? If you're in a personal relationship or a professional relationship.

Now, I've moved a lot, but I've moved generally for a series of events that I felt I either had to get out of or opportunities I had to get into. So just remember this with Tom Brady. He has the best coach in the league, the best offensive line coach in the league, and arguably the best offensive coordinator. They get their pro bowl kickerback, their defense is top five. If you're going to leave a company, in my life, there's two to three things I've always asked. Do I trust the management going forward? Can I get a significant financial opportunity?

Can I live in a better place? or is there currently chaos where I'm at? New England needs a tight end and one more receiver. That is not chaos. That is not mayhem. You look around this league, there's only five rosters. I definitively feel that are better than Tom Brady's current roster. I think Baltimore's is better.

San Francisco's is better. I think Minnesota's is better. I think the Chiefs is better. New Orleans is better. That's it. And then New England is swimming in that Dallas, Pittsburgh, Rams, Packers, B-plus, almost everywhere.

Grass is greener. If you really truly look at the needs of New England for Tom Brady, it is a tight end and one more receiver who runs well. That does not rise to organizational chaos. coming up next we'll get serious for a minute lebron james said yesterday it is now my responsibility going forward to carry this franchise and why he is so uniquely qualified to do that

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that are providing for you. It is so beautiful here. Isn't it great? I used to live right down the street, Seventh and Jefferson. Now you're just rubbing it in. I mean, it's a great place. Every time I get into an Uber or a cab in this town, I ask the Uber driver, the cab driver about their life history and Miami is so unique. It's a very cultural place. Yes, there's people from all over the world that live here and we all get along because the one thing about Miami that is for

shores, everyone is trying to have a good time. Yep, they are. And we usually do. Yeah. Let's, I want to talk for a second about LeBron James. What happened to the Lakers, they canceled an NBA game tonight, Lakers, Clippers. The NBA rightly did so. I think it was too much to ask many young players who idolize Kobe.

And however, we're connected to each other, whether it's a physical, emotional relationship, idolizing through music and sports, that's okay. There's no reason to apologize for. So LeBron said yesterday, it's now my responsibility to carry this franchise through these tough times. It is easy to say that. He had a beautiful Instagram post yesterday, did LeBron. There is the pressure of being LeBron.

There is the pressure of being LeBron as a Laker. And now there is the pressure of being LeBron as a Laker and carrying a franchise through a devastating loss. folks in my life covering the NBA I've seen really good teams unravel because of a rumor at the trade deadline if this season for the Lakers was never the same it would be absolutely and completely understandable

this is the thing about the NBA that people may not know Chris Broussard touched on it yesterday the best player in the league or the second best becomes a huge brand he makes more than any other athlete generally in the world outside of an occasional international soccer star. There's a certain territory to being Michael Jordan and to being Kobe and to being LeBron and to being KD and and to being Steph. And those players are protective with their territory as they should.

LeBron James was very close to Dwayne Wade, but he left Miami and didn't give him a heads up and Dwayne Wade understood. KD did not call Steph Curry before he left Golden State. Both Katie and Steph understood. Larry Bird and Magic were rare. They were close as they aged, even while competing against one another. But generally, there's a territory that you have

as the top player brand and kind of personal company in the league. And I respect that. LeBron and Kobe were not tight. They had a growing relationship, which was really cool to watch. But as I've said, I've seen NBA teams unravel with significantly less than the death of a beloved star.

But I think LeBron is uniquely built for this. And let me speak as a parent briefly. All parents want to provide a better life for their kids, a better life than they have. It's just very parental. That's not a criticism. I do it every day. My mom did it to me. She grew up in England, tough life.

I do it to my kids. But the struggle and the hardships, oh, there's an advantage to them. LeBron James will be able to do this because LeBron's James' life has not been easy. Oh, the last 15 years have. But LeBron, at 8, 9, and 10 years old, was asked to carry his family. At 14, carry his high school team. at 20 to carry a historically irrelevant NBA franchise, at 28 to carry teammates in Miami,

and most of his young life to carry the NBA. He's a virtual walking logo. And in every instance, every single instance, LeBron James has put his head down, put the work in, and burrowed through and won. I'm not sure any NBA player. could do what LeBron is saying he will. Carry the Lakers through this daunting emotional experience.

I think he can do it, and he may be the only one, the only professional athlete with the strength to do it because he's had to do it since he was about seven and eight years old. There's Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So last night was kind of a unique opening night for Super Bowl opening night considering the circumstances. There was a moment of silence for Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna before the festivities began.

Then the 49ers and chiefs took the stage to kick off Super Bowl week. And during the interview sessions, Jimmy Garoppolo, Patrick Holmes, and Andy Reed. So they were excited and they were having a good time heading into the big game. Last time I was out there. I was right in the jungle out there. So you got a little more space this time, you know, living good right now. Yeah, we want to do it. We want to go out there.

We want to play our best football. We know we're playing a great opponent, but we're going to try to win the game. And, I mean, get one for Coach Reed, get one for Kansas City, and then get one for everybody. First off, do you hate dress codes? No, I like dress codes as long as part Tommy Bahama. I'm good, yeah. This game has so many interesting people, the Richard Sherman's, the Andy Reads, Garoppelos, the Patrick Mahomes, George Kittal. It really is. There's a little NBA feel to it.

It's young with a bunch of big personalities. And the NFL is always kind of for years and years in our life, squash personality. This Super Bowl has got a lot of fascinating people. It does. And there's a lot of different storylines to it. But I think that the main ones obviously outside of the two quarterbacks, which are, you know, kind of very opposite styles and come from very different places, is really Andy Reed. Because like you said, coming into the game last week, you're conflicted because everyone loves Andy Reid. Oh, he's

maybe the most like person in the league from a coaching perspective. But what can you not like about the 49ers? No, totally get it. Listen, my heart is pulling for Andy Reed. My brain says San Francisco's better. Yeah, I mean, I picked Kansas City at the beginning of the year just because I felt like

the way that their season ended last year, they were going to improve. And, you know, obviously they didn't have to go against the Patriots this year. It seemed to be their nemesis. But yeah, this is, this is going to be a great game. And now that we're getting into, you know, the thick of it and what's going on, it'll be interesting also to see who, who stays out of all the Super Bowl craziness. Because it's kind of starting to start to bubble. Now the heat is picking up, you know, people are going to start to get by the pool.

I went to dinner with Bill Romanoowski last night. And he said, listen, man, Super Bowl's crazy enough. Add Miami to it. Guy can get in trouble. Yes. Well, you mentioned Richard Sherman. He knows the 49ers defense is going to have a tough time. slowing down Patrick Mahomes on Sunday, and he spoke very highly of his opponent at opening night yesterday. There's certain tendencies and certain tales that he has, but he's an incredible talent. He's incredibly dynamic. There's a reason he's had so much success, so young in his career, is because he's special. And he does things that are unique that aren't close to anybody else in his league.

Like he has qualities of Aaron Rogers. He has qualities of Russell. He has qualities of Tony Romo. He has qualities of a lot of great quarterbacks in this league, but he's still unique in his own. he really is hard to compare to anyone else as Patrick Holmes. Yeah, I mean, we tend to compare quarterbacks, and he's kind of his own guy. Yeah, he is. I don't think, when I think of him, I just think of him as a unique individual.

I mean, we came in the league. We were kind of trying to see as he Brett Farr, as he mentions, you know, what kind of gun slinger is he going to be? But he's really just revolutionized the position, really. Because now I kind of see a lot of similarities between Lamar Jackson and him. And then again, they are so completely different. And I see Carson Wentz. I see a little Carson Wenz.

And Patrick Mahomes? Yeah, I do. I just, I think, like, I watch Kyler Murray and I'm like, okay, that's a shorter Russell Wilson. That's an easy one. Or I always thought Cam was a little less talented Big Ben. Mahomes, there's a little, there's a little wince. He lets go to the ball sometimes and I'm like, I'm not sure what's going to happen. You know, there's a little unpredictability.

But he does have weapons that Carson Wins doesn't have. That's right. Yes. So to me, the key, obviously, as he mentioned, containing Patrick Mahomes is going to be huge in this game. for Kansas City, it's going to be if they can slow down that unbelievable run game that the 49ers have. So it's kind of the run game on both sides of the ball, but is it Patrick Mahomes or the actual running backs of the 49ers? Finally, Jimmy Garoppolo won two Super Bowls with Tom Brady in New England, and Tom Brady did something nice. You know, Tom Brady's getting, you know,

into the latter years of his career. He's very nice. He's softening up a little bit, just a little bit. He wishes former teammate good luck in his first Super Bowl start. Yeah, he shot me a text, just, you know, good luck and everything like. that and you know it's uh just go handle business you know it wasn't wasn't too complicated or anything just you know go win i i love those questions because i always find it interesting like it's for us in the business like if you're friends with someone you kind of know like what their schedule is and you know what their texting habits are you know like something big is coming up you might shoot someone a text like oh like you know have fun at super bowl or something but like

i've never gotten i've never gotten a text from an icon i've got gotten a lot of texts from executives, because that's kind of how what I get gain in for me. Have you ever, what's the most famous text you ever got? Most famous text. I mean, I get text from icons all the time. Like what? Well, you just Twitter DM me, but I mean, Skip Bayless says, you know, happy birthday. I mean, Skip's an icon.

I mean, I love Skip. To me. Okay, we're talking, we're talking like bigger than that. I don't know. I have to think about it. I'm going to ask Michael Vic that question. That is a good question, actually. I'd have to think about it.

Let me think about it throughout the show. But that's a nice thing to do, especially, like. Like, you know, all the conversations that we've had about Tom Brady and Jimmy Garapolo are kind of forcing his way out now, you know. Tom Brady's softening up a little bit. How about that? Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly news.

13 years in the NFL. He is a resident just up the road. Fort Lauderdale, Michael Vick, is now joining us here in Miami Beach. One of our favorite places in the world to be. Michael, Vic. How are you? I'm going great. Tomorrow's most rushing yards by any quarterback in NFL history until, I think, Lamar this year.

By the way, let me ask you this. So we were just talking about famous text, Michael Vick. Yeah. If I said, go to your phone. Who's the last famous person that texted you? The last famous person, the last text I got probably was from Chris Johnson. All right, that's fairly famous. He ran for 2,000 yards.

Okay. CJ 2K. What's the most famous text you ever got? Text with Michael Jordan. Oh, what? When? Probably like 2006, 2007. He was texting.

Play some golf, yep. Yeah, golf texts. It was a golf text. Yeah. By the way, I was just getting into the game then, though. Oh, okay. There you go. He invited me out.

You played in a college national championship. Yeah. I watched you in college, but that was against Florida State, I believe. Virginia Tech, Florida State. And you played in big high school games and big NFL games. The Green Bay game sticks out to me. Yes. So in a game like this, these are young guys.

Jimmy G's young and Patrick's really young. Are they nervous? Were you nervous in those spots? Yeah, I was nervous. I mean, I'm talking about feeling an immense amount of nervousness. And I just had to tell myself, listen, it's just another game. Just relax and go out and play. And, you know, nothing is going to happen.

You know, the world's not going to end. don't win the game. Just go out and have fun. I had to come to that realization really quick and it happened by the end of the first quarter. But with the two young quarterbacks and Patrick and Jimmy G, you know, I just hope they enjoy the moment. I'll accept it, bring it, you know, just you know, take it all in. But don't overthink it. You know, this is what they, you know, strive, been striving for all year, enjoy the moment, go out and have fun. Do you remember the night before your national championship? You're in a hotel. tell you're now there you were the star of kind of a boring offense except you yeah that was a

defense special teams team yes so the night before you get a good night's sleep you felt great i felt i felt i felt great man you know what once i learned to play the game and understand it uh from a mental standpoint i could relax and i could sleep at night uh all those days when i was in camp and trying to figure out how to go out and run the offense the next day and how to be efficient doing it those were the sleep sleepless nights but a night before the night before National Championship, even though we was about to play against Peter Warwick and Chris Winkie, who was having a great year at the time. I just wanted to get out there and do it and get it out, get it done. And when you're in these games, like a Super Bowl or National Championship,

people say it's just another game, but you sense, because you see all the flashlights. Yeah, it's not just another game. This is the big one. This is the one that determines your legacy, you know, and, you know, like you say, you work so hard for it for these moments, but you don't want to let people down. You look at all your teammates and you feel like, you're just playing for them. So it's a different moment, man. But it's surreal to those guys. And I remember just, you know, in that short bit of time,

what it felt like and how special that moment was. I wish I can go back and relive it. Michael Vic, joining us brought to you by Mercedes, the best or nothing. And yes, it is warm on the set. It's okay. I'm sweating too. Yeah, it's all good.

You probably shouldn't wear that color. You know what? And these lights right here. These lights right here are beaming. So when you look at San Francisco, I feel like San Francisco's got the better roster. Gotcha. Do you? When I look at them as a whole, you know, you start with the run game, start with the backs, three good running backs.

That's very efficient that knows how to play the game, knows how to run behind that zone run game and understands. You have to be an understand the run. That combined with the defense and then the explosive guys that they have on offense at the receiver position to complement the running back position, I think it's going to be the determining factor for the San Francisco 49ers and the real reason why they can win the football game. But you look at the Kansas City Chiefs, they almost look identical. They almost look as if they can, you know, go out and do the same things,

run the football, pass the football defensively. they stepped it up over the last couple months, and they got a chance. So we'll see how it all shapes out. Now, Patrick doesn't have the running game that Jimmy Garoppolo does. So let's go back to your career. Right. When you have a great running game, there's a certain psychology that, listen, I don't have to carry us. I do feel like Patrick is going to have to play really well to win.

Go back to your career. Were there games that you knew? Listen, we got guys behind me tonight. Less pressure. Jimmy Garoppolo, to me, is underdog, house money, better running game. Go back to your career. Were there times you felt more or less pressure? You know, it was times that I felt less pressure because I knew I could hand the ball off to a guy like Lee Suggs in college or a ward done.

LeShon McCoy, who was behind me. I didn't have to do all the work. And that takes precedent over, you know, you having to drop back and throw and pass the. football each and every down. And that's one thing that Andy liked to do. He liked to throw the football. And I enjoyed that part of it. But, you know, it was times where I started to feel like, you know, man, I want to, I need some help. You know, I want to hand it off a little bit. I want to let the young guys work around me. And, you know, I think he sensed that. He understood it. And it helped our football team tremendously. But when you got guys that you can just

put the ball in their hands and they can take a yard down the field, it definitely makes the game way more easy. So you played under Andy Reed, one of my favorite people in the National Football League. Andy has a unique ability to take every quarterback in his career, every single one. Even backups. Even backups. And they play their best football. Yeah. So you'd had a bunch of coaches by the time you'd had Andy Reed. If I had six offensive coordinators, four or five head coaches, at least four. And you get to Andy Reed. How long did it take you to notice why? how he's different. From the time I got there and stepped into the meeting room,

Andy was just so detailed and so technical in his approach. So instantly I knew that I had to change the way, you know, I approached the game. I knew that I had to be different as far as my, you know, my philosophy and how I train myself mentally to get ready for a game. And I watched Donovan McNabb. I watched what he did. Study was able to study under Kevin Cobb,

who was a smart football player. And, you know, I just took bits and pieces of their game, listened to the terminology. The dialogue was always good. And then by the time it was time for me to play, I was more than ready. So when you get into a game, when Patrick Mahomes and Michael Vick get into a game with Andy Reed,

does he communicate a lot during the game, or is it more in preparation? It's more so in preparation. You know, Andy on the field, he doesn't talk a lot. He might give you a couple of tips on what he thinks. you know, you need to do in the next series or what's coming up, which is important and gets you to think in ahead in terms of the next couple concepts that you might throw in the defense, what the defense is trying to throw at you. And that comforts you. It calms you down.

So, you know, the dialogue wasn't always the best on the field. It was the best throughout the week. So by the time we got to the game, I was always ready to play. Now, Andy seems really nice. Did he ever bark at you? Yeah, a couple times. It was a couple times where I got fussed out for up because of other guys, you know, and what they wasn't doing. So he held me accountable for the rest of the team. And it was like, man, Coach, why, you know, why me? You know, I'm trying to do the right things and take the necessary steps.

But Andy was a guy who believed in, listen, you bring everybody with you, you know, the things that you believe in, the morals, the values, you instill that in everyone else. And I learned that at the age of 30 when I should have learned. learned it way, way sooner. You always told me that. It was always, it was just a privilege of being around the guy and knowing that, you know, he had my back, he had my best interest in life, made me want to come to work every day. And I was so thankful to get up.

I used to get up early and come in, man, just 30, 40 minutes early, sitting in office and just talk to him. Isn't that great? Man, it's great when you got a guy who cares about you more than the game. And you felt that. And it makes you as a player, as an individual, want to go out and give him more. And that's why I worked so hard. And that's the reason why Patrick Mahomes works extremely hard.

That's why, you know, guys feel that pressure because they want to please the coach so much. And I understand it, I get it, man. I wish I was in that position, man. So, you know, I commend these guys for how far they've come. Isn't that amazing? The more the coach gives to the player, the more the player feels he's disappointing the coach.

And creates a great culture. You've got to create a relationship. Create the relationship. And you create that trust. with your teammates, the togetherness. It's nothing like it, man. If it's one thing I missed about playing in the National Football League,

it's being around the guys every day, it's being around the coaches, the entire staff, you know, the organization in general, you just build that camaraderie, man. It's relationships and friendships that last for a lifetime, and you can't get that everywhere. I always thought one of the coolest things

would be to win a big road game and then you're flying back to Kansas City and you just beat the Chargers or you just beat the Broncos. Those have to be great flights. Let me say, when you win, I mean, it's just total jubilation on planes. Like, everybody's in such a good mood.

You know, just feeling good. Remember that Green Bay. You're not worrying about tomorrow. How about that Green Bay win? You're flying from Lambo to Atlanta after that one. That was total disbelief. Like, going in as the underdog and not having a shot,

knowing that Green Bay hasn't lost, in years. Do you remember the flight? Do you remember flying home? You know what? Flying home that day, I was just thinking about Philadelphia. I knew if I was going to get to the Super Bowl, the road had to go through Philadelphia, and it was the vet, and it was the turf, and it was freezing. They were already in your head. Yeah, they was already in my head. So I don't think I enjoyed it that much. I think Dan Reeves called me down and told me, listen, you got to take it one day at a time and just, you know, your approach has to be different.

But at the same time, man, I still remember my teammates. It was loud. You know, the music was pumping. You know, we couldn't believe that we did it, man. It was a great accomplishment in my career. Great seeing you again, buddy. Thank you. Michael Vick.

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I do like San Francisco in this game, but have no great conviction on it. I'll get into this. that over the course of a week and why I have my strong feelings about that. But yesterday, Jay Glazer came on the show. It was a, it was a tougher day for us in a somber tone. We had seguade about halfway through the show, a little past halfway, to a football topic with Jay Glazer. And here was Jay talking on our show tomorrow yesterday. The Giants have moved on from Eli, the charges moved on from Phillip Rivers. Brady has a choice where he's going to want to go. Breeze it's

Saints or nobody and Sean Payton's already said, yeah, if he wants back, he's back. Now, I'm going to slow it down because Jay talks really fast, but there was some real news in there that was broken by Jay Glazer. Charges moved on from Phillip Rivers. Yeah, that's like something nobody knew. The Chargers have officially props to Jay Glazer, moved off Philip Rivers. rivers like the Giants and Eli Manning, like we suspect within a very short time, perhaps a year or two, New England will do the same with Brady, New Orleans the same with Drew Breeze.

So the current draft order is such where the number one pick, we know who it is, is going to take a quarterback in Cincinnati. And then it goes Washington. And if you look at the mock drafts, Detroit, doesn't need a quarterback either of the Giants. Miami does, and then the Chargers. Now, Carolina wants a quarterback, and my gut feeling is they're going to move ahead of the Chargers. They're going to roll the dice on this with a new owner and a new coach, an offensive-minded coach. That puts the Chargers in the crosshairs at number six, because they need a quarterback

and a good one right now. We've talked about this. Joy and I have on the show. We never bought into Tuah falling in the draft. You are going to see massive movement moving up to get a quarterback. And that's where I want to segue to this. Over the last two years in college football, two to three, but mostly two, it has been a very distracting time with quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield, polarizing national story. Kyler Murray, baseball or football, a sensational talent.

Trevor Lawrence, the next John Elway in the ACC. Tua, Sabin's best quarterback. Oh, my word, he got hurt again. Joe Burrow, best year ever for a college quarterback. There's a lot of noise about college quarterbacks. And much like a magician who was trying to distract you with the left hand as he's grabbing a pigeon or a quarter with his right hand, sometimes this is just organic

and that you have a situation where there's so much noise that we overlook something that's obvious. The Senior Bull MVP is Justin Herbert. The Rose Bowl MVP is Justin Herbert. Folks, are we overlooking perhaps the best of, best quarterback. He is bigger than all of them, six-six. His arm is livelier than most of them, or all of the prospects this year. With Oregon talent, not Alabama talent, not Ohio State talent, not Clemson talent, not LSU talent, look at his numbers. 61 TDs, 14 picks in the last two years.

With Oregon tight ends and Oregon receivers and Oregon backs, the PACT-12 has had to have a rough three years. The USC program sort of in disarray. So when it is, nobody pays attention to that little school 2,700 miles away from the SEC. The Senior Bowl MVP, you know who else was great in the Senior Bowl? Carson Wentz and Daniel Jones. All I'm saying here, whoever the Chargers get, the Chargers have great running backs, tremendous receipts. Tremendous receipts. excellent tight end, tremendous pass rushers, terrific defensive personnel. I think we're overlooking Justin Herbert. He doesn't talk.

He's very quiet, and we have two in the injuries, and Baker Mayfield's polarization, and Kyler Murray, the baseball decision, and Joe Burroughs season, and we got a Rose Bowl MVP and a Senior Bowl MVP, and he's bigger than all of them, he's got a better arm than all of them, of them. And I got to be honest, the one player he looks like when I watched Justin Herbert play

is Trevor Lawrence, 6-5, mobile, smart, big arm, and he's putting up similar numbers without nearly the talent. I think you are going to have, you are going to have major movement, Panthers, Chargers, Dolphins moving up. It's going to be a crazy NFL draft. Hour two, Howie Longnex. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Hurd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Live in beautiful Miami, this is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1.

Ocean Drive behind that Collins Avenue. No, not named after me at all. Sorry. You know why I love Miami Joy Taylor? Why? Because when I make mistakes, I've always enjoyed blaming others. And so Miami is one of those cities in America. And there's only a couple of them. Yes.

Well, if I did something really inappropriate, I could just say, well, I mean, I was in Miami. I mean, it's the only city. Vegas has that a little bit of that also. Yeah, Vegas, New Orleans, and Miami, if you make a really bad error in judgment, you can blame somebody else. Well, I mean, I was in my. Miami. They have boa constrictors on the beach. There's nothing I can do here. It's fair. That is, it's, that is 100% fair. There's nothing I can say about that. It's true. It's why I love it. It is. Well, I mean, you got to hydrate a lot. You know, the sun is out. It's the beach. It's a beautiful day today. Oh, it is stunning today. If you're driving around listening to us, turn into our show, we're trying to give you these amazing, picturesque view. It's not hard to make Miami look beautiful. Yes, but they did an incredible job with the set. I mean, it's just gorgeous. It is. If I have to take a pay-case, it's going to be because of the set. I think we all know that.

They put some money. Fox spends some money on these sets. And we do appreciate you stopping by all week. The Super Bowl, of course, is on Fox. So I drive my staff nuts. So every day before the show, I come in for about two and a half hours and we do what we call prep, blah, blah, blah, boring, right?

And I have a tendency to do something and I can sense after doing it for five years. My staff is rolling their eyes at me subconsciously. They used to do it, and I can see it. But I had to get rid of several people for doing it. Now, they just do it subconsciously. I ask them often, hey, can you guys get me NFL schedules or standings? And this is just a waste of everybody's time. But the way my brain works, I like to constantly throughout the course of an NFL season look at the games being played,

because you can forget about it. You go, oh, a team's nine and seven, they're great. Who do they beat? When did they beat them? When were they hot? When were they cold? I did this with Green Bay. I kept saying, I don't buy into Green Bay. Go give me their. their schedule. Their best win was in week two. They don't have an impressive win in three months. Teams peak. Teams are hot early. Teams are hot late. So I did not buy Green Bay. When they played San Francisco, I said, I got a San Francisco team that has played a brutal schedule and has lost to either great teams barely or beaten other teams badly. So this morning, I said, just get me the schedules. I don't want to hear about people's records. Let's get me the schedules. And I'll tell you

this, we got the right two teams in the Super Bowl. If you look at San Francisco's schedule, there are seven blowouts over the course of the season. There's one in September, there's three in October, there is one in November, and there's a couple in January. Now, Kansas City's schedule. Oh, what do you know? There are seven blowouts. Typical Andy Reid, there's two in September, there's one in October, there's one in December, oh wait, there's two more in December, and now there's one in January. Neither of these teams peaked early, neither of these teams peaked in November, 14 blowouts between these two teams. But this is also what the schedule tells you, and this is an edge to San Francisco. San Francisco, since week 12, every team they've played has had a

winning record. It has been the toughest schedule in the league, and they were able to to maintain, and I believe the better conference, the number one seed. So these are the right teams. The average score in the NFL is 2420. We have 14 blowouts between the two of us. And I think I counted seven close losses. We've got the right teams in here. Baltimore is the only other team.

But if you look at their schedule, you could have concluded they should be in. But I do think San Francisco schedule has been more daunting late. and they've been able to win close games in tougher spots. All right, let's bring on a dear friend, eight-time Pro Bowl, a Hall of Famer, and on the Fox football show on Sundays that has been number one since the day he arrived. Howie Long?

Come on. Oh, thank you. It is happy birthday today, Coyle, our guest booker. You can go to that one over there. There's a little towel for you because it's... Mike Vicks said it's about a buck 20 out here. And it was. And Mike Twix, about 180 pounds.

and I'm about a hundred more than that. You look great, by the way. I should sweat a little bit. So you forget the Super Bowls you've just been in. You have been, I think one of the storylines here is I was talking to somebody who's been in several Super Bowls last night at dinner. And they said, Mike Shanahan wants to make sure that Kyle Shanahan gets the credit, but don't kid yourself, Mike's influence, he's watching practice every day, is in this Super Bowl.

You have been the dad. Yeah. And you have had this son in a Super Bowl. talk about Chris. Do you have any influence on that? You know, I'd like to think, listen, when both we have two sons that played, Kyle and Chris, and each week I would, as if I were playing in a game, because when you're your upcoming game, you watch the three previous games of the opponent. And this is probably more for me. I don't know what they did with the notes, but I would send them the longest text with, you know, if 97 jab steps inside, he's doing this, you know,

because one of the points that I think Kyle Shanahan made, you know, in getting advice from his dad was no defense, get to no defense. And I think he spent in all of his stops, he spent a lot of time in rooms with the defensive coaches, wanting to know how they react to things and trying to manipulate that through pre-snap motion, formation changes, the run game, etc. But with Chris, Chris was drafted by the Rams. Yep. Played eight years in St. Louis. And it's the old, you have 40 plus sacks in St. Louis in four years. And if the tree falls

in the woods and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound? And, you know, so now you have an opportunity after a couple of injury plagued years where you're free and you have a choice to go wherever you want to go. Now he's, you know, obviously, I think, I think he leaned on me a little bit. I mean, Chris is someone who makes his own decisions and very informed decisions. And it was Atlanta, it was New England, it was Detroit, it was Dallas. And I kept going back to who's been in the last X number of AFC championship games? Who's been in the last X number of Super Bowl games?

And it all pointed back to New England. So subconsciously, I was pushing him towards New England. And ironically enough, we were doing that game. that year in Houston. And we did the first two hours, I think, at a park downtown in Houston. And I was fine. It didn't hit me.

And I've been with this game between playing and broadcasting almost 40 years. It'll be 40 next year. I walked into that stadium, and it hit me, like the humidity getting off the plane here in Miami. The nerves, my son's playing in the Super Bowl, and it just got so big. I don't remember much of what I said once we got inside the stadium.

But I had pushed him towards New England to the point where he liked Atlanta. He liked the head coach. I liked the head coach. He was on his way down to Dallas, going to Richmond Airport in Virginia. And he gets a call from Bill Belichick. And, you know, when Bill calls, you're done. When he calls me every time, I'm just, I'm done. No, but when he calls, you're done.

I mean, he's making the decision for you. Right. He ends up going to New England. And I felt like partially because I had pushed him there. And now we're in the third quarter. Oh, boy. It's 28 to 3. Yeah.

And I'm the worst dad in the world. The only thing I could possibly help him with is football. Right. And I've screwed it up. Right. And the historical comeback is on. And, you know, Kyle Shanahan was a part of that. Yeah.

You've been in the NFL so long, not only as a player, but as a broadcaster and a trusted broadcaster. The Mike and Kyle Shanahan relationship's really cool. It is. And I said this the other day, Howie Long joining us for those on our radio side, Hall of Famer, April Bulls. I said dads want their sons to get credit. And it can be sometimes tougher sons. I think it's cool that Kyle uses a lot of his dad's methods and tools. No question. But I think Mike wants Kyle to get the credit for it. But I watch Kyle's offense and I see his dad. Look, I played under Mike and, you know, listen, it wasn't that his tenure with the Raiders was not good. And I think we probably both could have handled it better. That being said, speaking as a dad, and that relationship

he has with his son is obviously special. And obviously Mike's philosophy of how to beat a football team and how to prepare a football team has resonated with him. Because he's taken on a lot of that. But with the pre-stap motions and the shifts and all that, he's taking it to, I think, a different level. And I can tell you, and I haven't spoken to Mike about this, but Mike would be thrilled to death for Kyle to get all the credit. Yeah.

Because when Chris is on that set in a post game down in Houston, and they've just won the Super Bowl and eating those cheese burgers at 5.30 in the morning in the lobby. It's, I'm not someone who's genuinely optimistic. I'm Irish. So, I mean, we're a little bit of a hot mess. My wife's Irish. When's the next controversy?

When's the next shoe going to drop? I'm going to tell my wife that. But sitting in that lobby at 5.30 in the morning, eating that cheeseburger with our three sons, and nobody else around. Troy Aikman was hovering around. and was as close to Nirvana as you can get to give you a Northwest kind of...

Yes. Aberdeen, Washington. So I'm sure for Mike Shanahan to watch Kyle not only have the success that he's had this year, but in previous years, because, you know, he's worked his way up, he's earned it. And having a famous dad is a burden. Yeah. And it's something that I hadn't really anticipated.

Yeah. So this Super Bowl now is glorious. I look at our set. I can remember when I came to my first Super Bowl, we were on something called Radio Row, and it was just tables and headsets. I am now... Sodom and Gomorras.

Yeah, this is Battlestar Galactica, like on HGH. I'd rather fight five guys than go to Radio Row. Am I right? Makes two of us. I'm taking my odds better than yours. But you have been in Super Bowls when it was not this glamour. Fest. Let's go back to your first Super Bowl and the simplicity of the preparation the day in the game.

Well, it was Super Bowl 18. We had played Washington earlier in the year up in Washington, lost a close game, backed up, second long, screen pass to Joe Washington. We're showing you right here. He breaks the play. This is Regans. I believe that's on fourth down. I'm not sure. I think that was on fourth down. But, oh, there's Howie. Yeah. Get him, Alie. Here's the thing. Lyle and I had always taken a cab to the game, Lyle Lousa. Yeah. And that was our way of doing things. We wanted to get there early. Lyle would get dressed. He'd get on the floor. He'd fall asleep. I'd go over every conceivable play sheet that I could go over. And that was Lyle and me. He'd tell me when we're in dot formation. That's all he wanted to know. And so why should this game be any different? Now, today, with the streets block and snipers and security, and you name it. The buses leave now

and the streets are closed down. Lyle and I got in a cab in Tampa, Florida, and went to the game because we went to every other game in a cab on game day. We get stuck three quarters of a mile from the stadium,

and the poor driver speaks in broken English, and he was trying to get us through and Lyle wanted to go up on the curb. We end up walking the last three quarters of a mile through the crowd to get to Super Bowl 18th.

and Lyle, as you can imagine, is angry, which probably was a good thing leading into the game. You were Howie Long and Lyle Al-Zado. Yep. Is it the Causeway in Tampa? You're walking on Dale Mayvery Street to the stadium? You know what? I wasn't looking at the streets.

My head was on a swivel in the crowd because you never know who you're going to run into. Howie Long, the Hall of Famer is joining us. We are in beautiful Miami. We were talking about Mahomes earlier. and you said the dad can be a burden, but I was talking yesterday in a very somber tone about Kobe and Patrick Mahomes that they were asked very early. Patrick now is sort of asked to be the face of the league,

as Kobe was. Kobe made an All-Star team before he was a starter. Most of our icons, we let them move into their icon stature. Kobe were like, listen, you're just like Michael, be an All-Star. But I don't start. It's a burden. But I do think Kobe had a dad who was a pro, Patrick Mahomes, your kids. To see the life before you live the life, it helps. When I look at Patrick Mahomes, there is a, he's fun but serious, a kid but a grown-up, and add liver but can play within

the sophisticated structure. He feels like Zion to me. I like the temperament. Does he remind you of anybody, though? He reminds me physically of Elway. Having spent most of my adult life at a ski resort chasing him around was not a great, you know, a great deal of fun. But the thing that makes this kid special, I think we're throwing the ball more now at every level of football. Yes. Middle school, Pop Warner, high school, it's all spread, it's all off a wristband, etc. People are specializing in one sport. These kids who are playing quarterback, they're going to seven-on-seven camps. They're going to, you know, showcase camps. It's all year. They're lifting. They're at academies. This is a guy who got three scholarship offers, I believe, coming out of high school.

One of the reasons why people thought he was a baseball prospect. Trent Dilfer told me yesterday. I thought he was a baseball guy. But he played three sports. And I think the great part of that is you see elements of all three sports in his game. He's a point guard as a quarterback, particularly when he extends plays, going to his right, going to his left, and redistributing kind of the offense. and it's the rerouting of their wide receivers,

and they know the trick, they know the game, and you're going to have to hold coverage for six, seven seconds, which is an eternity. And the pass rush wears down as the game goes on, his ability to act as a point guard and make the off-platform throws like a Russell Wilson, like the kid in Arizona, middle infielders who are used to dropping the arm down

and making the throw. Great point. Yeah, and when everything breaks down, the guys in that have been to those, camps and the seven-on-sevons and it's all structured and structured. Sometimes it's chaos, and that's when this guy scares you most. That's one of the smartest things anybody said on our show, that the baseball guys, it's a different sensibility.

Urban Meyer believes- Look how quickly these guys get down. Look how quickly. He gets down. Aaron Rogers is about the only guy that slides that wasn't a baseball player that I'm comfortable with. Mike, Mike Vic. Mike Vic is one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen.

in my life. Can't slide. Could slide. Labar Jackson. I'm like, wait a second. You can't slide. Of course, but it's interesting because what you're basically saying is when you go to these camps, we know we're talking about this with LeBron James. All parents want to make our kids lives smoother and better than ours. But there is value in the struggle.

And that LeBron had to take control of his family at young ages and franchises. He is really built. he is built to get through tough times. So if you go look at the history of the NFL quarterbacks, it's remarkable how many have transferred, Troy Aitman transferred. Yeah. And it's remarkable. People forget that.

People forget how many were overlooked, dropped, Marino, Aaron Rogers. And I think to your point, a lot of these kids that are star quarterbacks either played two sports, maybe have been better at the other one, they dropped in the draft. And how does this guy drop on the draft? with the combines and the senior bowl and the East West Shrine game and, you know, the 42 workouts you do on campus, how does this guy drop in the draft to Andy Reed's lap? And if this guy wins this Super Bowl, if this guy wins the Super Bowl, he's taking the league over. You know, we asked this question yesterday. In basketball, talent is obvious at 15, but in football, half this league is undrafted. Well, you know, I think that's the case with big guys. I'll give you an example.

Buckner and Armstead, both played at Oregon with Kyle. Have you walked up on Buckner and Amstead? Oh, they're huge. They are huge. I mean, huge. And it was all part of that. John Lynch and Shanahan are sitting there after two years of subpar football. Your quarterback that you paid all that money for has an ACL. It drops you down in the draft. that allows you the luxury of drafting Bosa, one, who is as advertised, built like a midget wrestler. He's just, when you walk on the field, your eyes are drawn to certain people.

It was Samuel. I was amazed at how physical, how thick he was, as a wide receiver. He's essentially a running back, playing wide receiver. And Bosa was, he's built for impact. He's built for leverage. and Buckner and Armstead, Buckner was ahead of Armstead,

I think, you know, particularly with big players, they evolve later sometimes. And Armstead, it kind of clicked this year. It did. Because I was never a fan of his, and it clicked this year. And here's what you can do versus

what bothers Patrick Mahomes. It's not pressure, because when you bring pressure, he's great versus the Blitz. It's can you rush with four, can you play coverage? San Francisco can rush with four and play coverage. Yep, seven back.

And when they're, when they had the injuries in the middle of the season, particularly the defensive front, it screwed their rotation up and your defensive line wears down. They get D-Ford back. They get Bosa. They've got the front four back. And they just light you up. Look at Howie's not even sweating.

You are just, you have, you have aged. Mike prepared me. He really did. Mike said, hey, it's hot out there. Lights are bright. Lights have been bright your whole life. Howie Long Hall of Fame. Love having you on.

Love being here, man. Appreciate it. Joy with the news. Nope. That's next segment. Oh. Sorry. My bad.

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Many consider you and I being some of those people consider to be the new goat of quarterbacks. And he says he doesn't think that Brady should follow his lead and leave New England. He said, don't if you don't have to. It's a process to go through it. time to get used to the team. And even if they let Brady have his own offense with a new team, yeah, it makes it a little easier, but still the transition of moving. I just can't see how they would let him leave there myself.

And we've talked a lot about, you know, you and I are routine people. Yeah. Like being in Miami is a whole, like you have to mentally prepare. At least I do. Like, I know I'm not going to, you know, get to set at the same time. There's going to be like some extra things you have to account for. We're both creatures of habit. We are.

And because we want to spend all of our time focusing on the show and focusing on work, not on silly things. And when you move after being somewhere for 20 years, and you and I have moved a lot, there's a lot of small things you don't pay attention to. And I think that's what Joe's talking about. Like in our minds, it makes a lot of sense, at least for me, if he's going to go to San Diego,

you know, you're going to go to a team that has, you know, pieces. But when you really think about it, as detailed as Tom Brady is and the issues that he had with his receivers and all of that this year, adjusting to a new team, a new system, a new facility, a new city. New players. It's a lot. When I moved to Los Angeles from Connecticut,

I started seeing a therapist because my kids were all moving and we were moving and I had a new job. And I remember sitting in my car and saying, God, I feel overwhelmed. I'm literally buying new house here and my kids in different schools. It was a lot.

And by the way, for six weeks, I wasn't even working. I had a transition period. And I'm thinking, man, you know, something I've always defended. You just don't understand. having to move your family as an athlete, it is a, anybody that's had to move cross country, it's daunting. So for Brady, as great as he is, unless Josh McDaniels goes, you're learning,

you're learning a new offense. Everything, literally everything is going to be new. So Joe Montana advises against it, I still think it's going to end up happening, though. So Cleveland has hired Andrew Barry to be their next general manager. He received a five-year deal from the Browns and also have the title of executive VP of Football Operations. He spent three seasons with the Browns as their VP of personnel from 2016-2018. So he was recently there. And at 32 years old, he is the youngest GM in the league. Well, Sean McBay was the youngest coach a few years ago.

Yeah, I don't mind this higher for Cleveland. I mean, if you're going to go in a whole new direction, you might as well start fresh. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm good with it. Kevin Stefansky, you know, they're all, they're all Ivy League guys, Barry. Here's what's funny. So when the Browns hired John Dorsey, drafted Baker and hired Freddie Kitchens,

Cleveland loved it, and I hated all of them. These moves, they're getting a ton of pushback, and I like all of them. Right. They're all Ivy Leaguers. They're not loud guys. I like every move Cleveland has made. Now, it's still Jimmy Haslam owns it. Right.

But Cleveland loved the first moves. I couldn't stand any of them. Now I worry about Baker's kind of verbose personality, but Stefansky in this move, you've got to get past the age, folks. My son at 13 is so much smarter than I was in advance because of the ability to the internet's change everything. Well, I think you should hire the same like, like-minded people. Like if you're going to go in one direction, go all the way with it. So, and listen, I obviously don't have to go to an Ivy League school to be successful in life.

know that but these these guys are all ivy league graduates like they're all the same you know way of thinking so go go with that and see if that works like you went the other way it certainly didn't work you went with the gut feeling guy and that backfired and john dorsey was a former player he's loud he's overbearing he's intimidating they went young soft-spoken educated and quiet and i'm i've always had this rule in life the loudest guy at the bar is never the smart hardest guy at the bar. Buffalo went from Rex Ryan to more a quieter, more disciplined Sean McDermott. And that's how they dug themselves out of the abyss. They were a loud franchise. Buffalo got quiet and smart. And look where they are today. A real roster and a real team. And that's the

biggest thing that Cleveland needs is discipline. So finally, Patrick Mahomes MVP season last year was legendary, but obviously fell short of the Super Bowl. And this year, as he's preparing to play in the big game for the first time, He reflected on how last year's loss and the AFC championship changed his mindset. He said, I think the most humbling moment was that first half against the Patriots in the AFC championship. I just felt like we couldn't do anything.

I felt like I was really letting the defense down. I knew a lot of that was me not making the right decisions. That was kind of when I realized, hey, I got to make sure I'm ready for everything, every single game, no matter where we play. This is actually a big part of the reason why I like the Chiefs in this game. Obviously, we all felt like, you know,

the chiefs were the more talented team last year an AFC championship game. But like the Super Bowl last year, the Patriots just had more experience. Like they've just been there before. They've been down before. They've come back before. So I actually feel like this Super Bowl is very,

it's very even in a lot of ways. So, you know, even though Patrick has never been to a Super Bowl, you know, he does have the experience at the ABC championship game. Jimmy Groppo is a little bit older, but has less starts. You know, it's going to be very,

it's going to be to me, this is going to be a shootout that comes down to the, to the very end, who has the ball at the very end of the game. But like Patrick said, just be prepared for everything. And that's kind of his style of play. And you never feel like you're out of it with Patrick Mahomes because he's going to find a way to make it happen.

So as long as they take care of it on the other end of the ball and the defensive side of the ball, which I think the chiefs have been playing a lot better on the defensive side of the ball, then I think they'll end up winning this game. Go away with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. I've said all week is I'm not, you know, I like the Niners in this game, but I don't have great conviction. I think there are about two plays from being 16 and one. There are, of course, Joe Buck in the Rose Room. He's going to be joining us in a couple of minutes. It's interesting.

I do this all the time. I write down, before I make my blazing five picks, if I'm stuck, I write down the rosters. Who are the 10 to 12 best players? So I thought I would share that with you. I think the Super Bowl is very even. I do like one defense, and then I do like one offense. But I wrote down who I think are the 12 best players.

players in this game. And I try to go in order. You'll notice one person missing who I like a lot, and you could certainly argue he should be included. But I felt that Mahal was the best player in this game. I think George Kittle is the most difficult player in this game to cover, even more than Tyreek Hill. So I had, let me count. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. I have seven Niners, and I have five chiefs. I go Mahomes, George Kittle, Nick Bosa, Travis Kelsey, Richard Sherman, Chris Jones, Mitchell Schwartz, DeForest Buckner, Tyreek Hill, Joe Staley, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jimmy Ward. And again, you could certainly make a case for Honey Badger, who my staff tried to argue I went to PFF and took Jimmy Ward. So it comes out to about 6-6 or 7-5. We have the right teams in this game.

Now, Trent Dilfer came on the show yesterday, and he has gone. great conviction. He likes San Francisco in this game. He likes the matchup. I will say this. San Francisco has played a much tougher schedule over the last part of the season. Dilfer really, really is in on San Francisco. Here he was yesterday on our show. Go back to when the 49ers great teams played the Miami Dolphins and the Denver Broncos in those Super Bowls. They were talking about Marino and Elway, just like we're talking about Mahomes. those were teams Moreno's Dolphins

Elway's Broncos that the 49ers smashed in those Super Bowls that were quarterback-centric teams only. They didn't have the full depth of a football team. This could be like those 49ers wins and Super Bowls against the Dolphins against the Broncos where it gets out of

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will be his sixth Super Bowl. He's done 19 World Series. I would guess because you don't have a game two or a game three, there is a sense of urgency. Is one more difficult than the other? I think just the dead time right now and all the hype makes this game a little bit more intense, you know, at least at the start. I think once it kicks off and you kind of settle in around the second quarter and you get a feel for the rhythm of the game, I think you can you can just take it as another week. But you bring up a good point. I mean, when you do a World Series and, you know, game one leads to game two to three to four,

and then by the time you get to a game seven, that game kind of does itself because you, everybody's kind of followed along for the most part, and you can kind of get out of the way. And I feel like the good Super Bowls are the ones where I've been at my best, and Troy and I have been at our best. We haven't really forced stuff. And, you know, this game is so big. you almost just stay big and you don't go down rabbit holes

with stats and a lot of the other stuff that you might typically do in September. By the way, you had, I was there in Houston, the 28 to 3 come from behind win for New England. So, what were you and Troy saying at half of that game? Because

New England was totally inefficient. Atlanta's speed was profound. There looked like a physical advantage. You go to commercial and you look at Troy and you say what? Here we go again, because we had done Super Bowl 48, which was that blowout between Denver and Seattle.

And I was just telling you during the break that at half time of that game, Troy's like, all right, it's Peyton Manning. Broncos are going to come back. We're going to have a game before this thing's over. And then Percy Harvin starts a second half with a kickoff return for a touchdown. And it's like, okay, we're not going to have a game. And so then you start just watching the clock. I watched that game back, and I have never said how much time was left more because the clock just wouldn't move.

And the game was a blowout, and you feel like you've got 100 million people watching, and you have to come up with something interesting. And it's just almost impossible to. And then I think the good thing about that overtime game is we didn't give up on it when it was 28 to 3, and it was Brady. Everything had to break right. Everything did break right for New England, and then they know how to close, and they did. you are and your father are two of and i'm somebody who studied as a kid in rural washington state i studied you before uh you knew who i was and i studied your father and i can remember where i was sitting when i heard ben scully at seven years old in a transistor radio in grayland

washington on the roof of my house um and your father was a legend um and i can remember hearing him and seeing him i didn't grow up near KMOX, but I heard of it when I was like 12 and 15 years old. So you grow up with your father who was profoundly big locally, then regionally, then nationally. He did a Super Bowl. Go back. What do you remember of it? I mainly remember my dad in Big's football games doing radio. Yes. He did. The only one he did on national TV was Super Bowl 4, which is ironically the last time the Chiefs were in it, the only time they've won it. And now here I am, 50 years later.

I'm 50 years old. So I'm in my 50th anniversary. The Chiefs are at their 50th anniversary of the Super Bowl. Their only win. Their third overall. And I went back and watched it. It's been totally restored. My dad did the game with Pat Summerall.

It's on YouTube. It's brilliantly done. And then just to see the differences between then and now, all the differences are the technical aspects, The microphones are so much better now. The camera angles, obviously, the high definition. You see everything at home. And the similarities are it's my dad and Pat Summerall,

two guys watching a football game, analyzing it, giving their opinions, and going play by play. And that hasn't changed. What Troy and I will do on Sunday is basically the same thing my dad and Pat Summerall did 50 years ago. Technology has changed two people watching a game that has not changed, and I don't think it ever will.

I always thought, and I tend to categorize and rank stuff in my head. It's the way the brain works. And I've said, in my lifetime, no broadcaster has worked better with partners. You, and not all great announcers, work great with partners. You bring out the best in people. You and Troy, and this is not easy to do, seem like there's, it reminds me on when I I used to watch Letterman when it first came out in college. There was a joke that I didn't know and I watched the show to see if I could get it.

You and Troy, it's like there's a little smirk and a nudge. You have a real relationship. Did that come easily? It did. You know, when we were paired together, we took over for Pat Summerall and John Madden. Everything seems to come full circle in this business. And I think it took three people. It was me as play-by-play, Troy and Chris Collinsworth.

And we worked together for three years. We did a Super Bowl, Super Bowl 39 together. And I think it took three humans to fill in for two. And that was more Chris and Troy are very different. They're both tremendous at what they do. And they were both great players. And Troy's in the Hall of Fame and he's won three Super Bowls. I think I've always been the guy to try to make everybody get along,

whether I was on the playground in school or I'm in the booth on Sunday or in a World Series with Tim McCarver or Harold Reynolds and Tom Broducci or now John Smoltz. I think I've been blessed with good people that I've worked with, and I've never had an issue with any of them. I feel like I'm only as good as we are good. And I feel, you know, the other person thinks the same about me. So I root for him. He roots for me.

And if he has an awful game on Sunday, then we have an awful game on Sunday. And vice versa. If I suck, then we suck. And I think you have. have to go into it in this business. And I try to pump him up. I try to make sure that he's teed up for stuff that he wants to talk about.

And if there's something that I want him to hear me say, because I know he wants to take it in a certain direction, I'll literally just grab him by the arm and make sure he's listening to me and not talking to the producer. And we have that kind of a relationship. We're the same age. We both have two daughters. We've had a lot of similar life experiences.

So the only difference is he was a tremendous athlete. And I was doing games. at a very young age. Kyle Shanahan, do you sit down, you sit down with an interview with Kyle Shanahan, who's very intense, like you, had a profoundly successful, well-known father. Did you share some similarities when he was telling his story? Could you sense I lived a little bit of that? Yeah, I think that there's something there that's in the back of all of our heads,

you know, that followed on a public stage. in their fathers or their mother's footsteps, whether you're an entertainer or you're whatever. I talk with Oliver Hudson, who is Kate's brother and Goldie Hawn's son and one of my best friends. And he lugs around. He's like, what about me?

You're just your dad's son. I'm my sister's brother, and he's older than she is, and he's Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell's son. And that's always kind of sitting in the back of your head. So I feel like I almost got into this business. apologetically like, look, I know a lot of people are working their asses off trying to get to this level. And I just happen to be my dad's son. And I think to my credit, I paid attention when I was a

little kid. He always wanted me with him. He took me to every National League city by the time I was 12. We were best friends instead of father's son. And so I took all that in. And when I got a chance to do the Cardinals at the age of 21, I wasn't in awe of the surroundings. I just, I'd grown up in that booth and then I just went and did my thing. So I was so lucky. And if there are negatives, because everybody for the rest of your life thinks, oh, well, you're your dad's kid. We know how you got your job. I think the positives far outweigh any of those negatives. By the way, when you were doing St. Louis Cardinal games and I was doing AAA baseball, and you were coming to glorious cities like this. Have you done a lot of Miami in your life? Yeah. Well, yeah, sure. When the Marlins came into

existence. You come down here. And that was a great way to see this country. And you're here for three days and you're doing games at night. And then you're going out, you know, back then I was 21, 22, 23. I was friends with the players. So I just go out and hang out with them and, you know, going to Montreal. Oh, Lord. Montreal. When that, when the expos left, a lot of people wept because that is just a hell of a city. I don't care if they showed up to watch the expos or not. Who cares? I miss St. Catherine Street, damn it. I want to go back. Crescent Street. I want to go back, but I don't get to. Joe, it's great pleasure having you. All right, guys. Thank you so much. Joe Buck calling the game for Fox with the great Troy Aikman, Aaron Andrews, the entire staff,

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It's carpet, actually, for our television viewers. I know I was totally thrown for a loop the first day. I brought my sand here, wanted my feet in the sand, and that's carpet. That's brown carpet. For those who are listening on radio, I apologize. Go to FS1. It looks like sand.

We're very cosmetically smart here at Fox. You're ruining the illusion. Well, listen, life's an illusion. Everybody wears makeup on TV. The whole world's an illusion. I'm just telling you. I wake up looking like this, Colin, first of all. It's actually great for me because I have high heels on,

and it would be impossible for me to get the sets in these shoes. It wasn't for that. But it looks beautiful, though. It does. You know, it's interesting about the Super Bowl. I had dinner last night with Bill Romanovsky. He's been in four of these things, and we were just talking about the games,

and he's like, listen, man, this is, he goes, I don't remember my first. one. The first quarter, I ran out of the tunnel. There was a bunch of flashes. I don't remember much about it. He was an energy guy. He's like, there's nothing like it. There's a lot of distractions in Miami to begin with. There's a lot of distractions. Both the 49ers and the chiefs have sort of installed their offenses and their schemes. And then over the course of a week, you try to avoid a nightmare scenario with one of your players. You can tweak here and there. I've said before, I think San Francisco is a better team. I think Kansas City has some individual.

I think Patrick Mahomes, the best football player in this game. And I can't wait for it. When I was a kid growing up, I can remember I was the only one in my family that loved sports. And my dad liked the news. And my mom was British. And she was always trying to figure out stuff, BBC and that sort of stuff. We had a lot of books and encyclopedias, National Geographic, around the house. And I was the kid that liked sports.

And I can remember the first sporting event I ever watched was a Laker game with Wilts Chamberlain against the Portland Trailblazers. And Brent Musburger on CBS was doing the play-by-play. I remember this. It was a black and white TV set. And the first football game I remember watching was 1972. It was the undefeated Miami Dolphins against George Allen's Washington Redskins. I can remember it vividly in my room. And the Redskins had players like Pat Fisher, Chris Hamburger,

Larry Brown, Billy Kilmer, George Allen, Diron Talbert. They were old veteran team in Miami had Zonka, Bob Greasy, Paul Warfield, Miami dominated the game, led 14-0-0 until late, until the kicker at Garo your premium, bad snap, grabbed it as a kicker, try to throw it. Mike Bass, number 41, picked it off, ran into the end zone. It was 14-7, though the game was never that competitive. Washington, even back then the Dallas Cowboys were a big deal. Back then, Washington was arguably one of the biggest brands in the NFL, Dallas and Washington. The Green Bay Packers were very historic. But my first memory of the Super Bowl involved the Miami Dolphins. and they have been more chaotic through the years.

They segue from those teams with Bob Greasy, eventually getting Dan Marino, then Jimmy Johnson. Marino was older. And since that time, it's been a series of 7 and 9, 8, and 8, 9, and 7s. And now they're in a total rebuild with Brian Flores, but I like him and there are three picks.

And it looks like they're going to get one of these talented young star starboarders quarterbacks out of college. So I always love coming to Miami. It makes me think about the first Super Bowl I ever watched. And with that, Let's bring on a two-time former NFL coach who was in this game as a coordinator more than once. Eric Mangini comes to our set. Also, I have Jason Taylor and Steve Smith, both in Super Bowls.

We'll be joining us later. So here we go, Coach. How are you guys? These Super Bowls are unique. These playoff games are different. So Romanoowski tells me last night, he goes, after I was in one, I settled down. The first quarter of the first game, a lot of butterflies, didn't want to make a big mistake, was overthinking the game. Take me to your experiences.

Being in these super games, do coaches have anxiety? Yeah, without a doubt. Now, remember, our first Super Bowl was against the Rams, which was the greatest show on turf. I was the DB coach at the time, so we had to deal with stopping that passing game. And nobody really expected us to be in the game. We were a 14-point underdog. So you go into this game, understanding how big a challenge you have and trying to slow down this offense. and we had played him during the year.

We had already played the Rams once, and they had beaten us, but we had a radically different plan, and then it's how is this plan going to play out, and it played out really well in the first quarter. TIE law had an interception for a touchdown pretty early on, and we started to settle in, and then we took a very specific approach on how we're going to stop,

and we weren't going to finesse with them. We were going to beat them up. That was our plan. We were going to beat them up and force them to play in a phone booth, and they accommodated us until about the fourth quarter, and then things got a little bit out of hand. They scored 14 points pretty quickly.

But that being said, Willie McGinnis had a holding penalty on Marshall Falk, and otherwise, to Bucky Jones would have returned it 90 yards for a touchdown. We would have been up 21-0. But it's just things like that, shifts like that, that you remember, I can see it. I can see it, I can feel it. I remember when the kick went up, I remember that last drive, There's nothing like this experience.

There is a danger of you set your packages, you install them, and then you get to the game. And I always feel like a player has to manage these emotions. But similarly with a coach, if you fall behind, I thought Baltimore in a playoff game this year panicked a little when they trailed. Did you find yourself in your Super Bowl experience managing your own emotions? Yeah, I thought not just Baltimore, but Tennessee the same way.

Both teams went away from what they do really well, in my opinion, a little bit too soon. And as you go into this game, the pregame is much longer, the halftime is much longer. You've got to manage these guys' emotions because they're used to peaking at a certain point, but it's so much longer than a normal NFL game

that you've got to rein these guys in. And even as you go in for halftime, it's like, look, fellas, relax. We got a lot of time here. okay, and it's settling him down so that they come back out and peek right at the moment you need him to peek. And the first time you're in it, you don't totally get it. It's like dealing with your kids. You know how you've told your kids? Don't touch a stove. It's hot. Well, Belichick had been in it. He told us, but, you know, there's still a lot of us that touch a stove at different

points and had to manage, you know, our way through it. How many were you in officially? One, three was in three. you're third. Now you're an experienced Super Bowl coach. You've been in these before. Yeah, that was the Eagles, I believe. Okay. So when you're in that Super Bowl, did you reflect back on your first or was it a different experience entirely? I thought Robert Krauss comments on Super Bowl is the best. He said they're all like children, special in their own way. And that's how these were. The second was Carolina. My wife was pregnant with our son, Jay. Jake Dale home was a quarterback of the Panthers. It was a totally, radically different Super Bowl than the first one,

where no points were scored, and then a ton of points were scored. Both safeties got injured late in the game. The third one, with the Eagles, we were up, and then they had a two-minute drive, and their mechanics were slow, and we kept wondering, you know, are they going to transition? What's going to happen?

Yeah, you learn a lot about how to deal with the process of being in the same. process of being in the Super Bowl. And there's family, there's friends, there's people who want to meet up, there's, there's all the distractions, the players go through. But when you have experience, you know that this is too important to let anything else get in the way of the opportunity to have this moment that'll last a lifetime. By the way, they're Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo. You know, people have made, people forget sometimes Tom's first six playoff games only

once was the over 100 passer rating. He was led mostly by coaching and defense initially and then grew into leading the team. People are criticizing Garapolo. They're saying, well, it's a run game. It's a defensive front. Similar to New England, he's not asked to carry it. Do you see any similarities in their styles as quarterbacks, their personalities? Garoppolo and Tom.

Definitely that first Super Bowl run. We had three offensive touchdowns in the playoffs. Total. And we won the Super Bowl. we want it in different ways. With Garapolo, there is a difference, though. He has experience. He has Super Bowl experience, even though it was as a backup.

He's got $120 million. He's like supermodel looks. And the expectations are sky high because he was traded there to save the franchise. He's a second round draft pick. I think their starting points were radically different. And I think with Garapolo, there's a make something happen component to him. He takes more risks. Yeah, and those make something happen to you, and they'll make something happen for you,

and they'll make something happen for the other team where Tom's not like that. Tom is going to make something happen for you or nobody else. And I think that's where their styles, to me, are dramatically different. Why did Belichick like him, though, in college when you've talked to people? What was it about that Bill saw in Garoppolo? Were there Tom traits, or what did he see? Well, look, the quarterback, evaluating quarterbacks is so hard. And we see it every year where high draft picks don't work out.

They become bust. Guys later, you know, in the draft become really good players. I wish there was a science that everybody could rely on to make sense of this. So, but I would imagine that with the help of Josh McDaniels and the offensive staff, they looked at traits. And that's what made Tom so good. does he have the physical traits to be better, but more importantly, does he have the character to be better? Because Tom worked his way into who he was, so you want to make sure your quarterback has that same type of work ethic, intelligence, intangibles, likability, the strength

of character to lead men who are difficult, oftentimes to lead, and are inherently skeptical. So you're looking for those traits that hopefully can develop into something great. Are you worried that Kansas City eventually pays Patrick Mahomes, and you've had to worry about caps. You had to worry about it in New York? You had to worry about it in Cleveland. Are you worried that this is the best team Mahomes will play for, and over time, he'll have a radically less talented roster? No. No, I think this is one of those situations where you're so happy to pay that guy $200 million.

There's so many guys in the NFL you've got to pay a ton of money to that you're kind of sick about it, because the market says you have to pay him, but you know that's not what they're worth. You can argue that he's worth every penny of that, and he looks like a force multiplier. So even though he may have lesser receivers, or you may have to get later on draft picks, because he's so good, he should make all those guys that much better. And that's what Tom's done for years. So regardless of how much you pay him, he's worth it. I'd be a lot sicker if I had to go pay a guy that I wasn't sure could win

who just happens to be a free agent somewhere in that neighborhood, hoping that he becomes what Patrick Mahomes has already demonstrated he could be. You know, as Super Bowls, I feel like, and it's just my opinion, that San Francisco's got a better, deeper roster, but there's some individual stars for Kansas City. Super Bowls are interesting. Did you feel that every Super Bowl you were a part of, the better team won, the better roster won?

Yes. You did? No, the better team one, not the better roster. And this is something we say. We weren't in the business of collecting talent. We were in the business of building a team. And when I look at San Francisco, it feels more like a team. There's a lot of guys who are having moments.

And you look for that. It's not always the star that's going to have the moment that changes the game. San Francisco has a lot of guys who make really good, solid tackles. Football like fullback guys. Yeah, whether it's. it's lead blocking or something on the punt return team. It's those moments collectively that make the better team. They don't have the same star power that Kansas City does.

And look, Kansas City's got to get out of their own way. They can't spot San Francisco 24 points. No. They can't have these self-inflicted wounds and think, oh, yeah, Mahomes is going to dig us out of this hole again. Can't do it. You can't do it. Not with San Francisco. Eric Mangini, multiple Super Bowl appearance is good seeing you, coach.

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He is the worst texter of all time. I'm telling you, he leaves me on red all the time. I'll be, hey, Jimmy, I got a question. Maybe on this place, should I run my route out like this? No response. Jimmy, you want to go to a movie? No response. And then the next day, he's like, yeah, I got your text.

I just hear it respond. Thanks, Jim. That's awesome. So, yeah, he's a bad texter. I have a no response friend, too. I'm a bad texter. I'm a horrible texter. I do turn the read,

receipts off on my phone, though. You got to do that. What's that? Like, he, I mean, Garoppel, come on. Like, you know, when you send a text and you open it and it says red or not, like, turn that off. Then you can say, like, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see it. Which, we all know it's also a lie, but

at least you have plausible deniability. I'm a bad, so you don't return text much? I respond in my mind, but like, I read it and then I'm like, okay, I need to respond to this, but then something happens and I forget. So it's not like I'm intentionally ignoring people. All right. But, but.

Sounds kind of intentional. Jimmy got to get better with that. That was the most intentional, unintentional sounding thing I've ever heard. I'm still trying to think of the most famous person who's ever texted me. You should ask Jason, though, about the first time he played a, he played a voicemail for me that Michael Jordan left him. What? It was like two minutes long.

Yes, it was insane. That's a good question for Jason when he comes on. So Sammy Watkins signed a three-year deal with the Chiefs before the 2018 season. And he talked last night about his decision to go to Kansas City. And he said it was the best decision of his life. So much like Michael. Vic was telling us earlier, he said that having Andy Reid as his coach was the main reason that he felt that way.

Again, I think that Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl is one of the biggest storylines of this week because even though a lot of people love the 49ers, myself included, they're such a fun team to watch. I feel like if you're not a chief fan or a Niners fan exclusively, you're kind of torn. Like, you've got to be a little torn about which way to go because you've got to want this for Andy Reid so much. Yeah, this game does not have a villain. does not, no.

And, I mean, listen, I lived, I didn't grow up a Patriot fan. I then moved to Connecticut. So for 10 years, I was surrounded by Patriot fans. And everywhere I've lived as a sportscaster, you meet players or you meet people. And, you know, you go to parties at people's houses and there's Patriot stuff. So over time, I used to work in Tampa. And I was covering Trent Dilfer and Warren Sapp. And the guys I worked with were Buccaneer fans.

So you try never to be a fan, but you become a dolphin fan if you lived here, a hurricane fan. I got people who were turned off by the Patriots. I totally got it because it was kind of efficient and business-like, no personality. I would be deliriously happy. I pictured in my head several times how I would feel either team won. I would feel sadder if Andy Reid lost than I would happy if the Niners won. And that's not against the Niners. I do feel a little sympathy for the criticism Andy Reid gets, which I think is unjust for a remarkable career.

Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. Like the highs and lows of this game, there's no villain. It's just going to be a great football game with a bunch of stars. And a big personality Super Bowl. Yes, absolutely. So Nick Bosa, also a star in this game, is playing in his first Super Bowl as a rookie this year. And opening nights, he was asked who his idols in the league were growing up. And I think he gave a really great answer.

I really looked up to watch Jason Taylor. He was a pretty big dolphin face. My dad played for the Dolphins, and I grew up down here. So I went to a lot of games, and I watched him, and he was as good as they get back then. So just the way he conducted himself on and off the field. Yeah, Jason's so old. A rookie that's playing in the game right now, like idolize him growing up. Look at that.

Isn't that crazy, though? I thought that was really nice. You know, it's funny, I always tell my brother, my favorite player, my favorite football player other than Dan Marino growing up was Junior Seow. Oh, yeah. I love Junior. say i had posters of junior sale my wall was it um we'll just i always like defense obviously because of my brother but i don't know i just like junior sale just always played with like this flare oh he was

so unique and tough dynamic this this look and this edge to him and i just loved him i never get starstruck but when he was playing for the dolphins for those few years i got a chance to meet him and i literally cried i was like red i was like i got a shooter sale it was crazy you don't you don't get star struck No, I mean, like, you know, I just, I mean, I was very star-struck when I met Michael Jordan, but like certain people are going to put you in that space. But yeah, Junior Say-O'Low. You never told me I met Michael Jordan. That's a great story.

I'll tell you that story, too. Good story. Joy with a news dropping news stories. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. So you got a minute. I have a minute.

Tell me that Michael Jordan story. Okay, well, so ironically, my brother's going to be on here in a few minutes. Really quickly. I went with Jason to Michael Jordan's golf tournament in the Bahamas, not far from here, for my 21st birthday. So I told Jason, you know, you're friends with Michael. I must meet Michael Jordan. He is my idol.

I thought in my mind I was going to be Michael Jordan one day. I love Michael Jordan. I must meet him. You know him. I will not talk to you ever again if you don't introduce me to him. Right. So he walks in the restaurant, him and his wife, and I say, Michael's here, let's go. Like, do your job.

I need to meet Michael. So I go up. I can't say anything. You know, I'm just like, hello. And he says, Jason says to Michael, this is my sister. It's her 21st birthday. So Michael says, hello, oh my God, happy birthday. Let's go do a shot of tequila.

What? Yes, great idea. Of course I want to do a shot at tequila with Michael Jordan. That's an amazing story to have, right? I'm with my brother, obviously, like, we're going to go do a shot of tequila, let's go. And Jason was like, no, you can't go. And he did let me do a shot of tequila with Michael Jordan. Why?

I don't know, because he's, he's my brother. He's annoying. I don't know. He wouldn't let you. You were legal. Of course. You were 21. I was there for my 21st birthday.

Yes, he invited me. He would not let me go. Wow. Facts. It's a true story. I'll never, ever forgive him for that. Although it's kind of a better story that he didn't let me go, but yeah, that happened. Wow.

Steve Smith, right around the corner, 16 years in the NFL. Steve, you can do a curl route right behind our stage. Steve Smith played in Super Bowl 38 against New England. How are you, my friend? I'm excellent, running late, you know. One of the last people time, but I'm all right. One of the last times I saw you, you had retired. and I went to dinner and you popped into the restaurant

and you'd just gotten off a flight from, if I recall, Taiwan or Singapore, you'd been over. South Korea. South Korea, I'm sorry. You'd been, so you're a world traveler. You love the travel. You love to get out there. Yeah, I do.

So, Steve, when I look, I want to. We just saw each other. I know, and we just saw each other at the airport in Salt Lake City. Yeah. Yeah, you're a skier. Yes. And a great, former great Utah Ute, by the way. Yes.

So I want to ask you about, Patrick Mahomes can play within a system, Steve, but he ad libs. Go back to your career. So when I watch Mahomes, I think, oh, this would be just great to be a wide receiver. But you also ran good routes. So is there a disadvantage ever playing with a guy who ad libs? No, it's not because what we see as a fans you see as an ad lib. It's always what we call off-schedged players.

You know a guy that's going to do something. you practice with guys every single day. So you start to know guys habits. That's why being a former teammate is always beneficial for the opposing team we're on the other side because there's little things that you know about your family members, right? You know about guys that you're around each other, so many hours and days of the week and traveling.

You understand that this guy doesn't like Brussels sprouts, this guy crazy, He loves broccoli. Like, all these variations because you're around each other. Like, you two know things about each other that I wouldn't know. You guys have body language that you can read off as like, well, she didn't like that one based off that. Like me and my wife, she'll say something.

She'll say, my wife's signature, I don't like something, is a gentle, not my fave. She'll say, that's not my favorite. That's code for, nope, right? So just little things like that. So what I really love about the Kansas City Chiefs are what we see as ad libs are really on schedule. They know exactly what's going on. They may call or play, let's say, I write 136 max curl X choice. So you got the max curl on one side, 136, max protection, curl X choice.

X choice if he's in a slot, that means he has a little option route, right? So he get to choose this based off the defense. Now, this quarterback will know that this guy who's running, let's say, is Tyreek Hill is running that choice route. Well, he knows that Tyreek Hill doesn't like to get hit. So he will throw the ball between this area. And because of that, he won't throw the ball outside of that area because he knows that his receiver prefers his sandwich without crust on it.

And so he knows that. So when you really look at it, I'm a food guy. So when you really look at it, He knows Patrick Mahomes is a stay-a-home dad who's making the sandwiches for all of his receivers, his kids, to say. He knows Tyree Hill doesn't like on his ham of cheese. He doesn't like a crust. He knows Travis Kelsey really is not a baloney guy. He likes grilled cheese, but with mozzarella cheese, not with cheddar cheese, right?

So all of that variation. He knows that McKeel Harmon, he likes, he's not really a sandwich guy. He really likes chicken salad, right, with a little bit of mustard and salt and pepper, right? More of a pepper guy, less salt, right? And then this guy, the other guy doesn't like anything. He just likes breakfast, right? So all of that stuff happens, and you know that by building up. That's why training camp is so important, building that up through training camp.

So what did you like and tell me a relationship you had with a quarterback that you felt it was a body language relationship? You knew exactly what you could look at him at the line of scrimmage in a red zone. and you knew he knew what you like. Well, there would be times where if there was a certain play and something lined up or like when I was in Carolina, let's say Stephen, Jack, Stephen Davis and Jake Delon, if Stephen was tired, Stephen would say, hey, throw that smoke route, I'm tired. So I wouldn't know, but then there's times where he threw the smoke route

and Stephen wanted to look on the run play. So that's the smoke route where you just take it to line and turn around. So it all varies. It all varies. When you look San Francisco as a collection of young Kittle, Debo, heard, then they have Emmanuel Sanders.

You got a little bit of a track team over in Kansas City. A lot of guys want to go down the seam, want to run up the sideline. There's so many variations to wide receivers. I mean, Randy Moss doesn't remind me of you. When you go back to your game,

what did you take pride in? I really enjoy running routes. And even when I do TV, I talk about running routes. You know, do you have a PhD in route running? And what I mean by that is, do you understand why you're running that route? And understand why you're running it? Because sometimes the coaches say run this route, but you don't know why you're running it. What is on the backside?

What does the defense have to do and show you to make you not a viable choice on that route? So you have to be able to know that. And so that's where the all-encompassing, master your craft, know exactly why you're running that route and what the other guy next to you is running, and why is he running that at what depth? And also, too, what I used to do is I cheated a little bit. If I was in a slot and I had a seam or a corner

and the guy outside of me had a little hitch route, I would make the corner commit immediately by maybe jogging off the ball or maybe doing a little bit something at the line. So when that corner, so if I was outside, I would hesitate and that corner would like kind of, he gets impatient. He would drop off to the corner so that throw me the ball. And then I was in the corner, I would kind of go and I'd go this way.

So he would automatically think, oh, he's going to the middle of the field. So he would clamp down in zone onto the, um, you were helping your teammates. No, I was getting the ball. I wasn't helping my teammates. I was getting the ball for myself. And so then I'll go this way, straighten back up, take the high. It was in cover two. He should have been in a covered area, but I also know we had a flat. So if I commit this way and I got this hitch and a flat, the corner must pass me off to the

safety and he must attack that corner or get to the flat. So I cheated and I got the ball. I learned that because I learned the system and I knew defenses. You played in one Super Bowl and you played in several big games. Were they ever different? Or they just, does Super Bowl feel like Sunday? At some point it will feel like Sunday. And the faster you get around and away from the importance of it, the better you calm your nerves. And once you can do that, you know, it'll settle in.

At some point during the game, you'll realize it's still a football game. Yes, it's a Super Bowl, but to get to the fourth quarter, we got to make sure we tighten up in the first quarter and the second quarter. So you start to process it the same way you process anything else. You go, hey, I got to do this first before I can do that. Half times longer, a lot of more breaks, commercial breaks longer. I don't think so. You didn't bother you?

During Thursday night, there's a lot of commercial breaks. Playing on Thursday night, playing in big games, you'll get up there and it's like TV. There's TV breaks now everywhere. And so I don't think it's going to change. When you look at Jimmy Garoppolo as a great receiver, you like him or not, why either way? Yeah, I love him. I love what both of these quarterbacks are because what I really love about Jimmy Garoppolo and just some of these players, I used to as a player, I didn't like the stigma of game

manager. But here's what I love about a game manager and also being a businessman. Who wants a manager that is not embracing the role of manager? Who wants a manager who wants to receive manager benefits and payment, but yet doesn't want the responsibility? So I love a game manager. I love that because that means a coach. and a franchise says, our guy is a system guy.

He understands our system. He can adjust if he sees something differently. And he also knows and takes pride in a system which we have and implement it. Who wants a guy that says, man, buck the system. I don't want to be part of the system. I'm a system bender. I don't want to be that guy. I want a guy who's embracing the system because when hell and a hay basket goes,

when adversity comes, you want a guy that's a calm. voices says, hey, guys, we're going to run the ball versus you don't want a guy sitting there going, you don't want the wide receiver sitting there going, we need to throw the ball. We're winning by a billion. Let's run the ball. You need to have guys who understand

the system. Because if you don't have a guy to understand the system, you've got the blind leading a blind. Finally, do you have one lasting memory of your Super Bowl? I mean, I do. I think one of the memories that I have playing, which I love being an analyst, and people,

sometimes it throws them off. They'll see me on the airplane, they go somewhere, they go, who do you have? And my honest response, unfiltered response is I can care less. You know why? Because when I see some of the guys that lost in with the Titans, they were crying, the impact. When they lose, whoever wins or lose this Sunday,

my flight is still booked and I still go to sleep. because I remember being that player and I hated losing and I hate to see my guys lose because here's a part that you guys don't see the track bags that they hand out to the Tennessee Titans when those guys have to clean out their locker and some of those guys are looking at each other going I don't know if I'll be back in this locker room again. I don't know if I'll be back with these guys. I got to pack up my kids.

I don't know if my kids will go to school here. There saw all these things that life gets in the way. And so that's why I love being analysts, because either way, no sweat off my back. I still, I just get to talk about the game and then we move on to the combine. It's great seeing you, bud. You look good. You look good. You're under those bright lights and you're not even sweating.

Yeah, I'm light-skinned. That's how we do it. Jason Taylor coming up after Steve Smith. Love having him on and I keep bumping into him last time at the Salt Lake City Airport. Hiring is challenging. Here's one place you can go where hiring. Hiring is simple, fast and smart, and growing businesses connect to qualified candidates. ZipRecruiter.

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All right, speak for yourself is coming up next. Jason Whitlock. What do you guys have on the show today? Baltimore Ravens and Ball State great Willie Snee is going to be on the show. And I'm going to tell you, Colin, why I'm a little afraid about all the hype my chiefs are getting. 15 years in the NFL, six-time Pro Bowl. We're in a Hall of Famer. Jason Taylor is joining us.

brother of joy Taylor is joining us. She tells me all these great stories all the time. You did not have, or maybe you did have the typical route to the NFL. You had a lot of doubters, a lot of questions. People said no. When you look back at your NFL experience, does it feel common or uncommon? I feel like it was uncommon. I mean, I was doubted, undersized. You know, back when I came out in 97, I'm going to date myself a little bit here. You know, I was 6-5-66, 240 pounds. And in the NFL, you were a tweener. It was kind of of a bad word. That's right. It was a derogatory term. And people didn't know where you fit or whatnot. Nowadays, they call them hybrids. They pay them 20 million bucks a year. Everybody wants

them. You can't find them. But I was a little bit too. So on my mother's birthday today, she had me a little bit too early, but it's, it worked out. It's so absolutely true. You're what everybody is looking for now. And if you can't play defense, they make you a tight end. You're right. They don't have the block anymore either. You just split out, running the seam. It's easy. Let's talk about Jimmy Johnson's influence on your life. He was just inducted. into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, Jimmy means everything to me. I mean, he was, he's a guy that took a chance on a 240

pounder playing defensive end. He was very confident and put me in a situation and said, listen, don't worry about learning football right now. Just go find the football and go do it. So I think the belief that he put in me and the confidence he instilled in me gave me an opportunity to just run around and I learned the game as I went,

but, you know, he's the way he thinks, you know, he's a philosophy major and the way he thinks so outside of the box, so different than what other people in the league at that particular time. I think even nowadays, so differently than they really think. And it just, it instills that confidence. It instills that bravado in you that you can do it.

Because if he believes in me, I know I can do it. Did you feel a responsibility to be good for Jimmy? Because he took a chance on you. Yeah, you feel responsibility, but you also feel that pressure and that heat on the back of your neck, much like this Miami heat right now. But, you know, Jimmy was demanding. And he worked the heck out of you. He pushed you.

He wanted to make practice so difficult. that the games felt easy. And I never understood that when he first was saying it. And then after going through one training came with him, I realized he's exactly right. Like, we're going to work so hard that we can't wait to get to Sunday. And that's what I need. If I was a first round pick in 97 in Miami, I might have been a mess up, you know, down here on the beach, getting in trouble, who knows what. But coming into the third round pick, having a huge tip of my shoulder, having a coach that believed in me and made me push and grind, I mean, I think is really what made me a pretty good player. What's it like to do?

to plan Miami? Really good. Really good. I mean, depending on the time of year, it's really hot, but it's really good. I mean, this is a great city. I mean, they love the dolphins down here as much as they're behind the heat and obviously has some great ears with LeBron and Dee Wade and those guys and Chris Bosch here at the heat.

You know, this is a football town that's thirsty for a championship. You know, unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to win one. But the culture is amazing here. It's a melting pot. And there's a lot of places like this around the country, I think Miami is so unique in that it's such a vacation spot destination for people. And the Hispanic culture, black, white, Jewish. I mean, they're all in really a small footprint as far as square footage,

square miles. It's, I love it. I mean, it's an amazing city. It tests you as a player, though. It tested your discipline. It does. The only good thing is that we used to practice in Davy, Florida. So it's about 30 minutes away from here.

So I lived about 10 minutes from the facility, and the beach was about a half hour away. it's close enough you can get to it, but far enough away that you still, okay, at 4.30 in the morning, I got to leave because I have to be a practice by six. It still gets you out of here. I know it sounds crazy leaving at 4.30, but, you know, it's far enough away. And I had great veterans around me, guys like Trace Armstrong and Tim Bowens and Zach Thomas. So many guys that did the right way, that kind of showed you the route to go that kept you out of trouble a little bit. You played on very good defensive fronts, which you were often the star or the star. You got to an AOC championship it with the Jets, not a Super Bowl.

San Francisco's got a very athletic defensive front. They've drafted it. I mean, they're all under 25 and they've drafted it. When you feel like you went into games knowing I'm better than the offensive tackle I line up against, San Francisco gets into several games like that. Did you know it going into the game on tape or did you sense it after 12, 15 snaps? Both, really. You know going in, okay, I think we match up well.

we can get certain things to happen throughout the course of the game and get a lead, maybe a two-possession lead, I know I'll dominate this, the guy across your lead. You can tell on film. Yeah, I mean, you know when you match it well, what you like to do against what they like to do. You know, you figure out snap counts, you figure out tendencies. Some quarterbacks like to take the play clock very, very low. So now I can get a jump off the ball when there's one or two seconds up on the play clock. So you look at all those things.

Now, when you come out in the first quarter, and I tell everybody that plays nowadays, even the kids I coach now, everybody's fresh in the first quarter. I mean, they just had the national anthem. There was a flyover. The cheerleaders are doing backflips. Everybody's happy. Everybody's fresh. So you get those guys that want to do a little extra and play a little dirty and push and shove you after their play.

And I used to just turn around and laugh. Say, you're fresh now, but I'm going to see you in about an hour and a half when that sun's been on your neck for two hours. And then I know I'm going to get you. By the way, I saw the Steelers throwing up a couple years ago. Mike Tomlin brought a team down here. Could you see teams in Miami Wilt? You saw them wilt. Absolutely.

And we would sit in the sideline. laugh about it. Now remember my first eight years, especially in the Jimmy Johnson and Dave Weinstadt, we had no indoor facility. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, all those practices that walkthroughs were outside. So we were always in the elements. We always had to deal with it. So we were held on wheels in September or October. Now, November, December, came around and those miles started adding up a little bit and we sometimes ran out of gas. But yeah, you could see those guys melting. We had guys offensive alignment come back on the field for a new series, still have an ice tower around their neck, trying to tuck in their in their

shoulder pads. And the reps would run over and make them pull it out. And as soon as you see that, I mean, it's like a single file line trying to line up and play against that guy because you know I got one now. You're a coach now. What have you taken from Jimmy Johnson to be a great high school coach? Is there a message or something you learn from Jimmy? Yeah, I think the work ethic. There's a few coaches I take things from, probably, you know, Jimmy Johnson, Nick Saban, a guy I played for a couple years, and obviously his resume speaks for himself, a guy I love dearly. Kirby's smart.

There's a bunch of guys that I played for, Rex Ryan. But, you know, Jimmy was a stickler for details. We were always going to work. You're going to outwork everybody when you're in the grass. Listen, let's have a great time. We're going to have fun out here that the game is about having fun. But when you're in the grass, we need to be the hardest workers in the room. And then I always tell my D-Limon now, and I was always that way as a player,

I want to get kicked out of practice every day. I want to ruin every drill to the point where, Dan Marino's yelling at me. Jimmy Johnson or Nick Sabin or whoever it is kicks us out of practice because they can't get anything done because the D-Lines being a pain in the butt. When you do that enough, then Sunday comes easy and you just go out and do your thing.

Was he a good brother, Joy? He's a great brother. He's very hard on me, as he should have been. You wouldn't let her have a tequila shot with Michael Jordan. Why? She was underage. No, it wasn't. I was there for my 21st birthday.

That is. No, you know what? I love it. As a brother, I love that. I was looking out. You know why? because I wanted two shots, and if she took one, then I could only have one. That's the truth behind it.

Jason, rightfully so. I mean, I went to school in Miami here, was trying to keep an eye on me at all times, which I needed. I probably needed a couple eyes on me. But, you know, he's always hard on me, but I needed it. She's a real pro. She's very disciplined. Were you disciplined?

Who's disciplined? She's very disciplined as a worker. Oh, yeah, no, she'll work. Yeah, she's a worker. What's the qualifier there? I mean, I just didn't. I never, you know, you say Joy Taylor, the first 10 things to,

come to mind may not be discipline. But we haven't worked together. I see her in a different light. I've seen her in her worst of times and when she's not working. But no, she's, listen, she's worked her butt off. I mean, the route she took to get to where she is, you know, from being an intern and and assistant producer or all the title, I don't even know all the titles she had, but she's getting up at 4.35 in the morning.

She earned it. And we're finally at the point now that if we go to dinner, she can pay for it. There we go. Not this weekend, but yes. Jason Taylor and Joy Taylor. Thank you so much, Chase. The Hall of Famer, great seeing you. Happy birthday, he'll be on Joy's podcast later today, the herd.

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