The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jimmy Garoppolo, Kevin Durant, Andrew Luck, and the Raiders

Episode Date: July 26, 2018

Colin discusses San Francisco 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo's apology, Golden State Warriors F Kevin Durant recent comments, why the Oakland Raiders will probably have a bad season, why Carolina Panthers QB Cam Newton isn't elite, and why Indianapolis Colts QB Andrew Luck should get more credit. Guests include Chris Broussard, Shawne Merriman, and DeMarco Murray. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Keep your car running newer Longer Joy Taylor is joining me on a Thursday I don't know if we can top yesterday's Hyjinks. It's crazy. It's a lot that went on yesterday. We introduced a new pair of shoes to the world. Ving Rames, David Spay. It was a wild day yesterday. But

it's funny. It used to be, it feels like to me, that U-S.Teps things you could do and things you couldn't do and we all agreed on it. Right? Like do this that's good. Do that's trouble. But social media now, it's not cool if you go to Twitter or Facebook to have standards,

to have rules, to have laws. Everybody's free to do what they want, man. Everybody can be a Kardashian. Kardashians are just individual branders and owners of a business. They don't have to answer to anybody other than the Kardashians. But there are certain jobs, you know, like high school principal, CEO, franchise quarterback, where you have to actually answer to people. You have teammates.

You're the face of a business. And the business isn't about, you know, being cool on Instagram. It's about memorizing a playbook, making sure everybody's following you, you know, advertisers, ticket holders. You're part of a big conglomeration of stuff. It's great the Kardashians can do anything they want, but that's not the way, you know, sports is. They call it a family, but you're not, you know, biologically. connected like the Kardashians. So Jimmy Garoplo goes out with a porn star to a place that's got paparazzi swimming around

in Beverly Hills. Everybody's like, oh, big deal. It's just what's wrong with a porn star? And to that, I say, really? All you dad's listening. If I say your daughter ends up in porn, you cool with that? Just drops out of college. Oh, you're not.

Hey, all you guys watching, your girlfriend that you really starting to love gets into porn. You okay with that? Well, why not? Just another industry. By the way, if I right now put porn on my Twitter, the internet would implode. I'm not even hanging out with it. I just make a mistake and it ends up. I could put a mistaken picture of Joy, John, my dog, my kids, my family, a cuss word.

Nobody cares. Put porn on my Twitter accidentally. The internet implodes. Why would that be? It's just porn. But on the internet, social media, I mean, grand. Grandpa. It meant certain things in life don't go together.

Toothpaste and orange juice. Franchise quarterback and porn stars. They just don't go great together. Jimmy Garoppolo yesterday stood up, owned it, and apologized. Life is different now. My life off the field, I've never really been big on, you know, being very public with things. You know, even social media. I'm not out there a ton.

but my life's looked at differently. I'm under a microscope, and it's like Kyle said, it is a good learning experience. I just have to take it in stradamine. It is what it is. Did you notice what he said there? My life is different now. That's what he said.

He didn't say, I'm different. He goes, my life is different. What's changed in his life? He's not a backup. He's a franchise quarterback. My life. my life has changed. It's not like he changed the color of his hair.

No, no, no. Now he gets $140 million. Backup, third string, right guard, left corner, strong safety, whip linebacker. Special teams coach. Nobody cares. Franchise quarterback hanging out with Porn Star. Can't do it.

By the way, quarterback's always been the judgment position. Right now, James Winston. three years, James Winston's gotten better each year. But why are a lot of people out on James Winston? His judgment is really bad. OBJ was on the open market. No takers. Giants don't appear to be in any hurry to extend his contract. Why? His judgment. Lavian Bell wants more money. Todd Gurley got his. Why isn't Lavian Bell getting his money? Not because he's not great. His judgment. And for quarterback, it's even a bigger judgment position. And let's be honest, Jimmy Garoppolo just called the wrong audible here.

Beverly Hills, Thursday, Friday night, paparazzi everywhere, porn star. He called the wrong audible. He threw a pick six. By the way, the personnel choice was interesting. The receiver he threw to, the tight end was interesting. But he called the wrong audible, and it was intercepted, and it was a pick six. and that's what quarterback is. It is a judgment position.

Don't believe social media. There are standards for those who have the corner office. There are standards for those who are seen as people leading other people. He made a mistake. And on Twitter, I know it's cool, but ask yourself. If your wife walked in right now and on your computer you had recipes, would she be upset? If you had pictures of the family, would you be upset? If you were checking out porn, how would your wife act?

Oh, it should be a little different, wouldn't it? Dad, of course it would. There are standards. Don't listen to the internet. Things matter. Judgment matters. Jimmy called the wrong audible. All right, let me shift gears to Kevin Durant.

I love this free agency stuff. All these big stars talking. Kevin Durant's likes media in podcasting and has it. his own and goes on other people's podcast. He was going on a podcast. He started talking about LeBron James going to the Los Angeles Lakers, and here's what Kevin Dran had to say. I loved it.

I absolutely loved it. I thought it was a perfect decision, perfect move, did everything he's supposed to do in Cleveland. I think this is a perfect next step for him. He's kind of breaking down the barriers of what an NBA superstar is supposed to be. You know, you feel like you're supposed to just, you know, play it out in one spot. I think he did a good job of giving you different chapters, and it's going to make his book even more interesting when it's done.

Of course Kevin Durant like what LeBron did, because Kevin Durant is like about half of America. He's incredibly comfortable with change. Kevin Durant went to three different high schools, starred in all of them. He went to four places in three and a half years. He grew up in D.C., went to college in Texas, drafted by Seattle, and they immediately moved to Oklahoma City. His high school graduation to his second year in the NBA, four places, thrived in all of them. Do you know the average American lives 18 miles from their mom? 40% of Americans never leave their area coat.

Everybody listening to me has somebody in their family still lives where they grow up. Then there's that one kid in the family that wanted to try new stuff, challenges, mobility. That's Kevin Durant. This is why I say the Warriors dynasty is much closer to the end than it is to the beginning. or the middle. It's really close to the end. I think they'll be in the finals next year. I've taken the Celtics to beat him.

That will create phrase and fatigue and it will break up. And my guess is Kevin Durant moves on. Because there's really four people that have changed the NBA. And I've been watching it since the 70s. The big four, magic and birds saved the league. Michael Jordan made it global. and LeBron has made it mobile. So Kevin Durant, who's incredibly comfortable with change,

has grown up in the era where we're increasingly very comfortable with stars changing. And everybody freaks out about the warriors and the dynasty, which has proven to be very good for ratings. But this is why I keep saying, oh, no, this dynasty, they never last as long as we think. And you see little signs and little signals. and Kevin Durant's going to have after next year potentially three titles and three years and three finals MVP's.

And then Steph Curry is probably going to say, you know, we got all the rings and we got all the cash. Maybe I'd like to win an MVP. And it's going to happen sooner than later. That's why they bring on boogie cousins because they have to add toughness because they're getting rich and they're getting into social media and they're becoming big stars,

and they were already sort of the skinny jeans dynasty to begin with, but last year they looked against Houston really, really soft. But there's a reason millennials rent. I've got millennials in my family. Do you know why they rent? So they can find a better option. They don't want to own. They want to rent.

And Kevin Durant's a millennial. And LeBron's a millennial. And they rent. They don't buy. Of course, Kevin Durant loved. LeBron moving to Los Angeles, the kid that's comfortable with mobility in an era that is now safe and celebrated to be mobile. Good for Kevin.

Always going to defend him. He's not going to be in Oakland very much longer. For the record, 16 of 26 NBA All-Stars, 16 of 26, just two years ago, are now on different teams. And it's not ending. I think Durant will end up, not that distant future moving up. on after perhaps another title. Good to have you in today. Chris Broussard is going to be joining us in the first hour.

So more validation of what we thought was true is now officially true. And how it plays out this year is going to be absolutely fascinating for Belichick in the National Football League. That is coming up next. This is pretty interesting. Bill Belichick texted John. Jimmy Garoppolo, new Niner quarterback, former Patriot quarterback, Joy, after every win with the Niners. Listen to this.

Jenny Ferreinta, a very good reporter, did a profile on Garoppolo. After each of Garoppolo starts for the Niners, he received a text from the coach who traded him. Bill Belichick, congratulating him on another win. Said Garopolo's mother, Denise, Bill really, really like Jimmy. They both knew it was there. So hard to say goodbye. Now, what does this tell you? Okay.

Bill Belichick was forced to trade Jimmy Garoppolo. That's been reported multiple times. The Boston Herald confirmed again this week that it has created a rift between Tom and Belichick. Belichick did not want to get rid of Jimmy Garapolo. And I was sitting there this morning thinking, this is the Romeo and Juliet, a love story

ripped apart. Think about this. Bill Walsh got the Joe Montana success. He never got Steve Young. Chuck Knoll got the Bradshaw success, but he never got a coach Big Ben. Tom Landry got Stobach, but never got the gifted Troy Aikman. Mike Holmgren got Favre long gone by the time Aaron Rogers arrived. Tony Dungey got Peyton Manning.

Not around for Andrew Luck, but Bill Belichick was different. He had built an empire, Tom Brady, and he'd drafted Jimmy Garapolo. And the longest dynasty ever in NFL history was the 49ers. And here was Bill, ready to not only surpass it but blow it away. Another seven to eight years of dominating AFC football. Belichick had drafted Garapolo, groomed Garapolo, played him, taught him with those gentle loving hands.

And the feuding New England family ripped up. part the love story. Alex Guerrero, of course, the apothecary. This is the NFL's Romeo and Juliet, a tragic love story, where feuding families ripped apart two people meant for each other. Where for art thou, Garoppolo? Look at Jimmy G. now, dating porn stars, totally unraveled, lost at sea, can't find love, seeking the depth and the loving, patient hands of Bill Belichick.

Look at, look at him, unrulyle. Confirmed by Garoppolo's mother, they knew it was there. Incredibly sad. Don't you think it's incredibly sad? A love story pulled apart? I mean, Bill wants that old thing back. Listen, if you're in love with somebody and, you know, the company, the parents stepped in, has ever happened to you? No.

Yeah. You? Not really. I didn't listen to my parents. I was not the easiest kid. But the story's out. Is that Belichick texted, Boston Herald reporting two days ago? This was Belichick's guy.

He was ready, ready to sit. Brady, trade Brady, move off Brady. And to this day, think about what Belichick has to live with. Now, every day, this point forward. He was going to surpass the nine-year, not only surpass it, but blow it away. Is all these great coaches get the one quarterback. They don't get the second. And it's so rare that you get a second, that you go from Peyton to luck,

that you go from, you know, you get Stobach and then all of a sudden not long after, oh here, oh, here's Aikman, and you get Bradshaw, and here's Big Ben. We had another 10 years of Belichick dominating football. He's going to retire in a year. It's a bummer. It's very sad. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so some pretty big news today, Colin. Connor McGregor pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct, stemming from his actions in April at the UFC 223 Media Day. Yeah. You remember that? Connor will not have a criminal record, and he is now allowed to continue his UFC career.

He spoke to the media for the first time since June 14th after the sentencing. Sickleason. I just want to say I'm thankful to the DA and the judge for allowing me to move forward. I want to say to my friends, my family, my fans, thank you for the support. It's a little bit of privilege there. It's going to be a little interesting to see what happens next. Dana White said he wasn't going to discuss anything about his UFC future until after all this legal stuff was done. Well, they're going to let him back because the UFC's pay-per-view buys are going down so they need stars.

That's why they're talking to Brock Lesner and Connor McGregor. So, I mean, it's business. They're going to bring it back in. Of course. I mean, listen, the Fatitas sold this at the very height after the Connor McGregor. And since then, the pay-per-view buys have gone down a little bit. because boxing and UFC are as popular as your stars. And this sport's all going to be about pay-per-views, and you've got to have stars.

Well, Connor's a superstar. It's just the focus was on Connor and Floyd for so long, and that whole huge fight. So now after this incident, now that the legal stuff is done, they'll likely probably start talking about the fight with Kabib. But we will see. I'll watch Connor. If he's fighting, I'm watching. I mean, I'll say this. Connor McGregor fights.

I watch every single one of them. Of course. Every single one of them. We will all be watching. I mean, there's a sugar Ray Leonard Ali, you know, there's very few guys in my life that had Mike Tyson. I didn't like him. I didn't respect him. Mike fought.

I watched. Well, he has a star factor, but the one thing that you need in the fight game, whether it's boxing or UFC, to take it to the next level is the ability to talk trash because that's what sells fights. And he is an elite, he's on another level. He's an elite fighter. He's in a league of his own when it comes to that. O'Dow Beckham Jr. has created his fair. sheriff headlines this year, but he's apparently going dark on social media. He's taking a page

out of the LeBron playbook. You know, LeBron goes here at Target 30 every playoffs. So he posts, he's doing that for this upcoming season. He posted this to Instagram. PSA, it's camp time to all the ones trying to contact me. I love y'all, but I'm locked in. No phone. We barely on that this year. I will catch y'all after this, but for now my focus is to ball and get better every day. Just had to let y'all know. So when you see there's no response, that's what I'm on. God bless. And as always, it's all love. I'd love if that was true for the next four and a half months. think it's going to be true, but I would, I don't, you know, we talked about this yesterday. Some people, most 20-year-olds aren't leaders. I wasn't. I wasn't a leader at 20 years old.

I didn't have that, I wasn't wired to be a leader. Johnny Mansell, when he came into the league, I said he's not wired to be a leader. He's talented. A-Rod was talented in his 20s. Jeter was a leader. Here are the thing about OBJ, everybody's like, can he lead the Giants? He's not a leader. He's a great, great player. But how many people in their 20s are like, okay, I'll run this billion-dollar franchise? I think we think and ask young people to do stuff that's not realistic. If you can get a locker room of 20-year-olds and four guys are like rock solid, when I was

covered Tampa, there was a guy named Hardy Nickerson, was a middle linebacker from Cal, and he just dripped leadership. Hardy talked, Alphas listened. He was easily the best leader in that locker room. I can't even name the second best leader. He was so great. the whole locker room had him one guy and then Trent Doe for the quarterback came in

he became the second talker but it's like Odell Beckham's great but social media man it's his game it's what he is. Well he's telling you that that's not his game that his game is actually football so he's I mean he's at least trying right he's claiming that he's giving up the Instagram and such for the

at least for camp. It's addictive. It is addictive but we'll see I don't know I'm gonna hang out check and make sure that he's off of it Finally, your guy, Baker Mayfield. It didn't take long for the Browns to designate Tyra Taylor's a starter, head of Baker, which we kind of all predicted, although I don't agree with it. As a result, it appears Mayfield will take on the backup role, but Baker was asked about it this morning,

and he was asked if not getting many first team reps and training camp will bother him. He said, I would never get my mind right to be a backup. That's the second you become complacence. what do you think of that? I think I would love to see all these guys sit for a year, Darnold, Rosen, all of them. What's amazing to me is the one coach who keeps saying my guy's going to play is Lamar Jackson, who I think has talent but is more of a project than a prospect.

So the one quarterback whose coach is like he's going to play is Lamar Jackson, who I think is not ready to play. And it's like I have no problem with Baker Mayfield sitting. I really don't. He's a number one overall pick. Well, he shouldn't be, so he's been overdrafted. Okay, but they decided to overdraft him. It's not like another team has just acquired him.

Do you think who's better today, Baker, Mayfield or Tyrod Taylor? Of course Tyroo Taylor's better. That's who's going to start. But what are you doing? You're the Browns. It's like you're in contention for a Super Bowl. You won zero games last year. Let's all stop pretending like this isn't Hugh Jackson just trying to keep his job,

which I respect. That's fine. But don't try and tell me you're trying to build a franchise. Like, no, you're not. You're trying to win some games. Yes. Don't lie to me. But, but, but Baker was also asked about you, Colin. Yesterday? No, today.

What? Yep. He was asked about his battle with Colin Cowher. This is from Keith Britton. Who asked him? Keith Britton. Keith Britton. He's a, he's a reporter in Cleveland. Oh, okay. He said, this is what Baker said. He's good at what he does. I'll say that creates a lot of emotion.

Oh, look at that. I've told you before, I'm rooting for all these young quarterbacks. I wish Baker would do a few less documentaries, but he's got, he does what he does. I mean, that's his, that's the new generation. That's kind of generational. These guys want to come into the league and have a little buzz. I way prefer Sam Darnold not even going out for a beer on his 21st birthday over the Baker kind of music guy and doc guy, but that is what it is. That's very nice at Baker to say.

Very show is a great maturity. Your world famous beef is dying down. I had a Heineken light on my 21st birthday. You remember that? Yeah. That was a first beer you ever had? No, Colin. You made it sound...

How do you remember? I don't know. I just remember that that was like the first beer that I ordered on my 25 birthday. What are you? 22? It was like a couple months ago? I am 22, actually. Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lide News. Chris Brousardt today. We got a couple of things buzzing. Kevin Durant. is loving LeBron James, is feuding with C.J. McCollum. I got to tell you something.

I like Kevin Durant. So yesterday he goes on the C.J. McCollum thing or recently on a podcast, and he's like, you have no chance to win. And C.J. McCollum's like, you're soft and all that stuff. And I've got to be honest with you, Kevin Durant acknowledges, I like this social media thing. I'm into it. I got a lot of downtime.

It's not hurting my championships. What do you make a Durant in his rabbit ears and his social media? and is talking all the time stuff. Well, it's interesting because ever since he's gone to Golden State, and people told me when he made that move, people close to him, said this was the first move he ever made just for himself, where he didn't care about what other people were going to think about it, where he didn't make the move or do something for other people's approval

or to make them happy, but he did it for himself. And I think he's taken that, you know, to social media. Like now he's like, even his interviews, whatever. He says what he wants on the court. Now, he told me himself, this is the real me. The guy getting the technicals, the guy that's fiery in people's faces, talking trash. That's the real me. The guy in Oklahoma City was the phony.

So the guy in Oklahoma City, he was trying to be a people pleaser. Yes. And that's like, okay, now I'm going to do. Which probably is his nature, but he knows that's not really the healthiest way to live or to make you the happiest. So you just do what you do. When you get to a place in your life where you don't can. what people think, that's a healthy place. That's freedom.

That's real freedom right there. And so I think Duran is interesting because on the one hand, he's that guy. I don't care what you think I'm going to say what I want. But on the other hand, he's reacting to every little slight from 15-year-olds on Instagram. You know what I mean? So it's weird. I don't know how to describe characterizing it. I always say this about social media.

Clay Travis is a guy I know. He loves the fights. He just loves fighting. Jason Whitlock. He loves sparring with people. It's not my personality. I think it's corrosive. I don't like arguing with people.

Like, here's my opinion. I've always said this about my show. This is my opinion. React to my opinion. I'm not going to react to your reaction about my reaction. So like some people, Kevin Durant likes to go on internet and get chippy. And that's his personality. Yeah.

Imagine now, at least, and it's great, that he's doing it himself. He's not hiding behind a burner account. But can you imagine the fire and the vitriol he must have been throwing at people from his burner account? When nobody could be connected to him. But I'm with you. It's good that, you know, he's doing what he wants to do. Here was Kevin Durant on Portland's C.J. McCollins podcast. Play this.

You know you guys that aren't going to win a championship. Bro, we have the team. We have capabilities. Anything is possible. We can win a championship, bro. I mean, come on. You can't be upset about this. So what do you suggest?

I suggest you just keep playing, man, and don't worry about what goes on at the top of things. I kind of like it. For the record, so I haven't talked to you since the Kauai thing happened. And Danny Green came out. Danny Green comes out yesterday. And Danny Green's like, yeah, I probably should have gotten a second opinion. So now in the last two years, Lamarcus Allridge, get me out of here.

Kauai Leonard, pushback. Danny Green, they ain't perfect in San Antonio. This goes back to my, every religion needs a face. Tim Duncan was the face of Popovich's rigid system religion. He left. Everybody's pushing back. Well, Popovich has always had a style of coaching that was just going to rub certain players the wrong way. Stephen Jackson, even though he loved Pop and played for him, they butted heads and eventually Steve was out of there.

Steve Smith didn't love the situation, you know, in San Antonio when he was there for a short time. You look at the guys that Popas had success with. Tim Duncan doesn't grow up in America. So he wasn't one of these kids that from seventh grade on they're being told how great they are and they're some superstar. Tony Parker and Manu Genoobli played overseas. And the coaches overseas rule with an iron fist that's stronger than Popper. that's stronger than our college coaches. I mean, they dominate.

If you cross a coach overseas, you might not get your next paycheck. It's a good chance you won't. So they were in line with being coached hard. So guys that grow up in that system in that way are fine with Popovich or a Belichick or whoever. But a lot of the millennials now and the AAU culture. Because in AAU, guys who've come up where AAU rules, where AAU is more important than your high school coach,

they're babyed more than coached. You know, I tell Doug Gottlieb this, 25 years ago, 20 years ago, because, you know, Duncan was playing, you know, AAA, or he was playing overseas 25 years ago. It used to be you had a high school coach who barked at you. Then you went to college for three years, even Michael Jordan. You'll play within the system. Then you went to the NBA,

and players back then made $150,000, and the coach made $150,000. and the coach controlled you. Now, you don't have a high school coach. You have an AAU coach who recruits you and gives your swag so you come on his team. You go to college for one year where the coach begs you to come to Kentucky for one year and begs you to stay another. Then you go to the NBA and if you're a star, you can get the coach fired in an hour.

So the culture has changed. I'm not blaming the players. I'm saying just the culture has changed. And you know why it's changed to me? Because we finally realized how valuable great players are. And there's eight in the world. and everybody thinks that if you can get one of these Kauai's, LeBron's, Steph Curry's, Jimmy Butler's, they change your life, your job, your income, your commerce, and so they get babyed.

I don't think we've realized how valuable there. I think we've always known that, but to your point, I just think it's a total cultural shift. I mean, I remember playing, when I was going to play football in fourth grade, I remember older kids telling me, oh, you better get ready, the coach is going to be yelling at you. Like, that was coaching back then. You knew you'd get yelled at you, you knew you'd have to run if you did something wrong. Like that, we just grew up that way, whereas nowadays they're not. Because the AAU coach is not jumping on you for lack of defense.

He's not jumping on you for not making post-entry passes or for throwing up bad shots because he's just happy to have you. You could be his meal ticket to a college job. Thank you. So I'm not yelling at you and then you go down the street and play for so-and-so. That's right. So when they get to the NBA, it's hard to experience. them to be able to, some of them, it's a complete culture shock to have a coach like pop.

You know, our coach is going to get on you. It's his way or the high way. Oh, that's, I think, with Kauai. It's just, I do think these, these guys, Brady sold Belichick's religion. He was the face of it. It's like Tom. And Brady wasn't, I mean, I know he was great in high school, but, you know, didn't have this fabulous career at Michigan.

But even as he became a star, he was, he was Tom Cruise to Scientology. He was the face of Belichick's religion. And now Brady's got his own religion. It's called the Tom Brady 12 Clinic. After that Malcolm Butler Super Bowl thing, Belichick doesn't have Tom's absolute devotion. Now, I don't think this means that Popovich's days of being successful or over. No, no, no, nor Belich.

You just have to get the right types of players. And I think they know that, too. I think they felt like Demar DeRosen was a guy that could fit into their culture. So a couple days ago, story comes out. Kauai Leonard loves Toronto. now and I said time out, time out, time out, time out. It's about a shoe deal. He wants to get five to seven to ten million dollars a year for a shoe deal. The Jordan brand has said, we're not going to give you that. And so the other day I was saying everybody was telling me on

radio and TV quiet, you can't get a shoe deal. He doesn't talk. He's quiet. And I said, no, what you have to do is find a shoe that you can market to his personality. And I said his personality is quiet under the radar, defense, black and gray. So we introduced yesterday on the show, The Stealth, which is defense under the radar, quiet, covert, secretive, black and gray. We even had a commercial yesterday for a shoe. He's the most secretive player in the NBA. He flies so under the radar that even his own coach couldn't figure out where he went for the last three months of the season. Stealth by Kauai Leonard, a shoe so under the radar, maybe it'll be at the shoe store. Maybe it won't.

we just don't know. Do you think he'd stay in Toronto? Do you think the shoe deal is a big deal? Because Canadian star players don't get the shoe deals they do down here, do they? No, and I don't think the shoe deal is going to have anything to do with him staying or leaving Toronto. Okay, you don't. I think he's going to leave most like overwhelming odds that he leaves. But the thing, I like that commercial, by the way, that was a good, that was the beginning of a really good marketing campaign for history.

type of shoe. I think what you'd have to do with them, because if you look at the iconic sneakers, Dr. Jays back in the 70s and 80s, obviously the Jordans, LeBron's to a degree, but the iconic Iversons, the first AI, the answers, those were all ultra-exciting players and had a personality that was charismatic. But there's another shoe that became, you know, was a really great seller, somewhat iconic Penny Hardaway. Now, his game was exciting, but his personality, he wasn't as quiet as Kauai, but it was closer to Kauai than it was to LeBron James. And what they do when they marketed it?

They got Chris Rock to be Little Penny. Little Penny. So if you have a personality like Kauai, you better get some type of great marketing campaign, like the stealth or get somebody in there with charisma that can sell it. And bottom line, the show. shoe better look good. That's a big part of it. The shoes need to look good. At least the first few, like the Jordans, because they made some ugly Jordans. But because they were Jordans, people wanted to get them. Good seeing you, my man. Love having you on. Coming up next,

what happens when I like somebody, but I have to be critical of them, not Bruce Ard, a certain coach. I'll do that next. It's the herd. I got to fill three hours a day and stuff happens. I've always said, I don't know why sports fans feel that I have to have the same opinion when information changes. If you stepped on a plane and the pilot said, new radar, we're going to have to swing about 12 miles left

to avoid thunderstorms. You'd be like, good. I don't want to go through a lightning storm on a plane. It's new information. If your daughter or your son got really sick and there was new medicine that could help them, you'd tell the doctor, we'd like the new medicine or the new therapy. If your stockbroker

came to you and said, listen, we have some insiders that are selling the stock on this company. We have new information that came down today. You'd say, well, then sell the stock. But in sports, people want me to have an opinion and a bunch of stuff changes. How's your opinion change? Well, the team can lose a coordinator that I love, a quarterback, a left tackle injuries. Why do I have to be beholden to sports opinions when all the information changes? A couple of years ago, I was really on the Raiders. They were winning games with Derek Carr, and they were seemingly winning them on a last drive. And I really do like Derek Carr a lot. I really, really do. This was me a couple of years ago

on the Raiders, and they were red hot, won another game on the last play, had all these dynamic players and dynamic games, and they finished games with confidence. Here I was. I may be a little high on the Raiders, but man, yesterday, they are magic, man. They have stars. I know New England's got the culture, but at some point, New England is not explosive enough. They are the best TV product in the league. Whether they're the best team, as far as a television product, they are so much fun to watch. L.A. is going to end up with the Rams and the Chargers. That's the fun team to watch. We end up with the Rams. Well, the Rams have changed, too. Got a new coach and a new format. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah. But over the last year or two, there's just a bunch of stuff I don't

like. There's a bunch of stuff I don't like. I see this story. Kaleen. Mac won't report the camp, and according to Adam Schaefter, John Gruden and Khalil Mack have not spoken once. Are you kidding me? That's got to be your first or second call. You call Derek Carr, I love you. You call Khalil Mack, I love you. So here's the thing. I love Gruden. I know Gruden. I really like him. But he was a TV star for 10 years, 15 years. Well, 10. He was a coach, that he was a TV star for a decade. TV star is isolated. You don't have to do any lifting. You have an agent to do your negotiations and one or two producers do all the headaches for you. It's an isolated, well-compensated position.

It's not a leadership position. You're not building a team. What you do is you're building your own brand. My position's very isolated. I have a morning meeting, but by and large, it's not a leadership position. TV star is not a leadership position. It can be an isolated position. I have an agent that deals with my bosses. I've got producers who deal with a lot of the stuff you see on television that I don't have to deal with. Okay, it's isolated. So he goes from that to now a new generation of players.

And it's always felt like to me with Gruden, this was a nostalgia hire. It was a rearview mirror hire. And the more I read, the more I don't like. And I hate to say this, but I think we've, John Gruden is great at selling John Gruden. And God, that's why he's a television star. That's why Trump was a reality star. Trump's good at selling Trump. I mean, he got elected president.

Some people are great at selling themselves more. than any product, more than any system. And John's great at it. He's really, really nimble and great at it. But remember, he took Tony Dungey's roster and momentum and won a Super Bowl. That's unfair, Colin. Well, we criticize Barry Switzer for doing the same in Dallas with

Jimmy Johnson's personnel and momentum. So Gruden wins a Super Bowl. You do realize the six years after that in Tampa, he was under 500. Three of the six years were losing years. Two of his winning years were just nine and seven, and he had alienated all. sorts of people in Tampa.

Okay? And I think we've elevated John to a level that is he an elite coach? I mean, Barry Switzer, we crush. Barry Switzer won multiple college national championships, built an absolute dynasty, goes to the NFL, takes Jimmy Johnson's personnel moves and momentum and wins the Super Bowl. We're like, ah, Switzer's a hack. John Gruden didn't win national championships in college, didn't build an empire in Oklahoma. takes Tony Dungey's guys, his momentum,

faces a Raider team in the Super Bowl, that he knows the playbook and all the players and wins. And after that, it was kind of a bunch of meh. Wasn't like he was in a great division. His record was like eight games under 500, three of six losing seasons. And here's the other thing. And I like John, but I just, the more I read on this stuff,

what made John Gruden great that he came into the league young and fresh and hungry and energized and seeking stuff, But he reenters the league now as rich, removed, famous, and it's different. It's just different. Who are the two coaches in the NFL right now everybody loves? The two young coaches, everybody loves. Sean McVeigh and the Rams.

Everybody loves Sean McVeigh. Should, good coach. And Kyle Shanahan with the Niners. Those are the two young coaches. Everybody's like, you know, those guys are good. And it looks like they are good. What are they? They're defining who they are.

They're seeking a legacy. They're energized. They're young. They're fresh. They're not on the top of the hill. They're not TV stars. They're not mega rich. They're not removed.

They're not really that famous. I mean, Sean McVeigh for being in Los Angeles is about the seventh most famous coach. I mean, he's not as well known as Luke Walton or Doc Rivers. He's not as well known as Chip Kelly. I mean, seriously, he's about the fifth most popular coach with the NFL franchise. You're not Mike Sosha with the Angels. So I just, the more I read about this stuff in Oakland, that's why I picked them for last in the division.

He hasn't talked to Khalil Mack once. That's weird to me. That is weird to me. I mean, what rational explanation could there be that he hasn't even talked to him? It's one thing if it was like they don't have a lot of communication, but it hasn't talked to him at all? Well, John, television's an isolated business. And so he lived in an isolated world where he would go to that quarterback camp room in Tampa by himself every day and watch film.

And he would fly by himself up to the Monday night football game. And he had an agent negotiating for him and a producer doing the headache stuff and doing all the prep, right, a lot of the prep. It's an isolated world. Now you've got to get back out of that and get into, oh, I've got to know every employee's name. And I think it's hard. I think it's hard to be out of something for 10 years, step back into it. You can be funny, but if you've taken 10 years off of doing stand-up comedy, the first couple of shows are going to be really, really rough.

It's going to take you a long time to get back in the groove. Yeah, but it's not like he hasn't spoken to the punter. It's Khalil Mack. Yeah. I mean, my first call would be Derek Carr, obviously. My second call is Khalil Mack. What are you doing? Let's have lunch.

Let's talk. I don't know. And it does. I'm not a huge. fan of rear-view mirror moves. I like the windshield. Look ahead, not behind. It has sort of a nostalgia feel, too. I don't even like that they gave him a 10-year contract. Like, I think you should make employees prove something. Joe Gibbs is a better all-time coach than Gruden, and Joe Gibbs was not great in the first two years. Looked a little off. This league, football's

not baseball. It changes every couple years. We don't even have huddles now, no fullbacks now. I mean, positions. Safeties don't matter like they used to. Hour two coming up in the herd. Ah, this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Hour number two, Sean Merriman and I are going to go toe to tone a couple things. I've heard he agrees on one and totally disagrees in another. I've never talked more porn on the air than I have the last two days because of Jimmy Garoppolo. Joy, it's very uncomfortable for me. And I'm not against the industry. I am for the adult film business. I just don't want my franchise quarterback dating one of their stars. I don't necessarily disagree

with that. I just can't. I can't fake outrage being mad about it. I'm not mad about it. I'm not outrage, but I just don't think it was great judgment. I want to start with this, though. So Kevin Durant, he's very active on the social media stuff. And C. James McCollum is a very good player and he has a podcast for the Blazers and he invited Kevin Durant in his podcast. And then after the podcast, C.J. McCollum went on Twitter and said, I think the B words harsh shouldn't be used. We know that decision was soft, but I respect it. It's like getting jumped with your brothers by a gang. You should have beat them. You join the gang that jumped you and your brothers two months later and forget about your bros. And Kevin Durant fired back on

Twitter saying, so I would get into a gang fight, lose, plot on my brother for two months in our home, and then go get the gang we lost to and beat him up? You think that low of me, CJ? I mean, I just did your effing podcast. Snakes in the grass. Boy, I tell. Yeah, I don't think it was the greatest analogy by C.J. McCollum. I think a lot of this stuff is jealous and resentment toward Kevin Durant. I'm on Team Durant here. First of all, there's a reason taxi drivers hate Uber. They've eliminated him. And I think Kevin Durant is a great player and the Warriors are making a lot of good players irrelevant. But folks, you do get that Golden State recruited Durant. Are you soft if you go to Harvard when they recruit you academically? Are you soft if you play football at Oklahoma

or Clemson or basketball at Syracuse, Michigan State, or Kansas or Kentucky because they recruit you. Are you soft if you get out of college and Apple and Google come knocking and you sign with them? Are you soft? He was recruited. Free agent, recruited by Golden State. Okay, I don't think that's soft. I think he's smart and he's mobile and he's making players less relevant. The other thing we'll all defend Kevin Durant. Okay, Kevin Durant in Oklahoma City was viewed as the number two player in the NBA. LeBron won and Durant two. Remember, at that point, Hardin hadn't won an MVP.

Westbrook hadn't won an MVP. We didn't know who Janice was. It was, LeBron was one, and Kevin Durant was two. And then he goes to Golden State, and he wins a bunch of titles. And we still think it's LeBron number one and Kevin Durant number two. His legacy hasn't been falsely inflated. Yeah, he's got some hardware. but it's not like he was the 27th best player in the league.

Gravy trains the Warriors, and everybody's like, you know, he's a best player in the league now. No, no, no, no, no. He was the second best player in the NBA behind LeBron. They trained together. Then LeBron started winning titles, and it really confirmed. LeBron won, Durant two. And he goes to Golden State.

And even though he's winning the finals MVP's, and he's winning the rings, there's still LeBron won, and Kevin Durant two or three. Now, a lot of people like Hardin, a lot of people like Westbro. but most people think, yeah, I mean, Durant's a better overall player than Steph Curry. So it'd be one thing, again, if a guy comes into an organization as average or good, and then suddenly we falsely inflate him to amazing and all-time great. He was number two there.

He's number two now. But I think that's part of the reason why people have an issue with it, because they feel like he could have won a championship if he had stayed with Westbrook in OKC, that's sort of the issue, that he joined the team that they, that just beat them. I have no problem with it whatsoever because if he doesn't ever win a championship, then he's going to get pounded on for never getting a ring. But then he goes somewhere where he has a better chance of winning a ring and he gets crushed for that too. Wouldn't we have called him stupid if he would have gone to less of a team?

Like let's say he went from Oklahoma City. He was just burned out from Sam Presti and burned out from Westbrook and he went to Charlotte. Right. You'd be like, how stupid is that? When I left ESPN, the bigger company to Fox, I got criticism. You're crazy. You're nuts. So you would have liked me more if I would have gone to an even bigger company?

Well, this is why you can't care what people have to say about what you do with your life. You literally can't care. You're never going to please everybody. So what's the point? The only person you should be concerned about pleasing is yourself. Kevin Durant. I'm on Team Durant here. He is making other stars less relevant.

So there's resentment. He's the Uber to the taxi industry. He's eliminating it. and there's resentment. But I also will always say he has never, ever used the warriors for anything else than winning rings. He's going to be a top 20 player of all time. He's already got, he's going to end up, my gut feeling is he's going to be, he's going to leave

after next year or the year after, and it's going to become fractured because I think they'll lose to the Celtics in the finals. But if they don't, three years, three titles, three MVP's, he's got a regular season MVP, he's got four scoring titles. The only thing he added, you know, he's adding the. rings, but it's, he was two in Oklahoma City, he's two now. It's not some fake. He's not some phony who now everybody's saying, you mean, like David West literally like went there. It's like, I got to get a ring and not even play. No, Kevin's the best player in the finals. He's not

gravy training on anything. Well, that's, that's totally true. But I think there's also an underlying element, which I have no problem with because I don't care if you have an attitude about winning. But it's not like Kevin Durant is the most gracious of champions. I mean, he just went on CJ's podcast and told them they have no chance of winning a championship.

I kind of like that. I do too, but that's going to rub people the wrong way. I mean, he's going back and forth with 15-year-olds on Instagram and, you know, getting in arguments with people on Twitter. That's going to rub people the wrong way.

That is an added element to it. I have no problem with it. Talk all the trash you want. You're the winner. But that isn't helping his situation. Speaking of rubbing people, I'm not happy with this Garoppolo Porn Star thing at all. And Joy keeps rolling her eyes at me. I want to bring on Sean Merriman, former NFL defensive player of the year, three-time pro bowler, eight NFL seasons, mostly with the Chargers who are now in Los Angeles.

All right, I just am. Here's the thing. Are you married? No. Okay, I'm married. If my wife walked into a room and I had pictures of a fishing trip, up. She wouldn't care. Pictures of recipes for banana bread, she wouldn't care. But if I had a porn star on my site, she wouldn't like it. We keep saying porn's no big deal. But if you're a high school

principal and teachers walked in and you had porn on your flat screen, right, they would, they would call the superintendent and said, this is totally inappropriate. Everybody keeps telling me, this is porn. What was like, porn's like Merrill Street? Like porn's? You just, porn's just every day. Do you have kids? What if I said your daughter's going to end up in the industry? You'd be like, eh, ho, timeout. I'd rather she goes somewhere else.

There is a stigma with adult film stars, no? Yeah, I mean, morally, right? Yeah. Yeah, morally. But it's not newsworthy. What? To me, it's just not newsworthy. If it wasn't Jimmy G, the starting quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers,

we wouldn't even be talking about this thing. But it is Jimmy. But, yeah, that's fine. But it's not newsworthy. So you can have your own personal feelings. Right? Towards the industry or the person. But there's a lot of porn stars. Technically, if you want to think about it,

it's a lot of porn stars out here just without the job title. This is a day and age where this stuff takes place all the time. Jimmy G. is just getting noticed for it. He's just getting caught where they're out. And he's saying it's not a big deal because obviously this is not the first time. He just was in a organization

that didn't allow that to get out. So even if he was dating porn, stars, even if he was doing the things. You think he's been doing it for a while? Yeah, absolutely. No question about it. If you look at a statement, when he came out and said, why does everybody think this a big deal? Well, he doesn't think it's a big deal because this ain't the first time. So, you know, from the outside looking in, I'm just thinking that it's a different organization

that playing out New England. Playing for the Patriots where they keep everything in house. You don't hear anything. So if you are dating porn stars, if you are dating people or around people in that industry, no one cares because you would never hear about it. Now he's a starting quarterback. He's doing something now being himself and letting his personality show and who he is that he wasn't able to do for years.

So we're just seeing it for the first time. So you think Jimmy G. This is who he dates. Yeah. I think that's his lifestyle. The cars, now he's, obviously he's able to afford him. We know that he's driving him because he's in California now. He's not in Foxborough.

I've doubted there are very few porn stars at Foxborough. That's probably one of the problems now. But, you know, him now being in a situation that we care because, you know, in New England, we didn't. We should have a new logo for the San Francisco 49ers. Our graphics department put it up. It should be NSFW, not safe for work. I mean, I don't know. I just think, I look at this and I, and I'm not an old curmudgeon guy.

I'm not, I've never been a moralist on the air. Like, there's plenty of people who go on radio and TV and they're moralists. I'm not a moralist. I'm really not. But I just think toothpaste and orange juice don't go together and porn stars and franchise quarterback. He's going to be in the news constantly. He had even, it came out yesterday and he apologized. I can't believe you really, you know a lot of players, man.

You just think this is how he rolls. I think he just gets down like this in the first place. I don't, I don't think he even see anything wrong with it. I think it's something wrong that, you know, we're making a big deal about it. I think there's something wrong that it's newsworthy. So you do a lot of pro athletes do that? Yeah, tons, tons. But they're not to start a quarterback for the San Francisco 49.

That's the difference. What do you make of that, Joy? Well, he also went to one of the most happening spots in Beverly Hills right now. It's not like he was in some tiny little place. Couldn't he go to Applebee? He's in a place that is literally swarming with paparazzi. It's the same place that LeBron went to with Leonardo DiCaprio and Al Pacino. There's paparazzi outside of this place.

So either he knew there was going to be paparazzi there or he just didn't care. But you can't have both. He's not hiding it. I appreciate that more. Or he's like, hey, this is what I do. This is who I am. Who cares? You care.

I don't care because I'm going to one of the hottest places to go to in Los Angeles, and I don't care who sees me. For me, playing with somebody like that, I can appreciate that. If he was my quarterback and I can appreciate that. I don't have a problem with it. Do you think his coach likes it? If he's scoring touchdowns, I mean, if they're winning games, you know, right now it's a problem because the season hasn't started yet.

I feel like I'm 97 years old right now. Like I'm the old guy that doesn't get the new computer thing. No, I think you're speaking for a lot of people. I think a lot of people agree with you that this isn't necessarily a good look. But I just think it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter until they start losing. When they start losing, then it's going to be the biggest deal on the world. Can he date a nice school teacher in Menlo Park or something?

I mean, we're doing arranged marriages now and that's where we are. All right. Let's move to this. So I said, listen, this grew in Oakland thing. Like, I don't know. And I like John, but John's the reason John's good at selling John. That's why Trump's president. Trump's great at selling Trump.

Some people are really good at selling themselves. I don't think Gruden's going to work in the NFL. You know guys that played for Gruden. What do they say? And they all say the same thing that, you know, out of five of six guys that I talked to to play for him, say that he's a hype man. You know, he'll get the team riled up. but they couldn't trust him.

Because after a while, that hype and bringing everybody together, getting everybody on the same page, and we're going to win and we're going to do that, that goes away. And people start to see who you really are. So I think he's going to do well initially. I think that they'll, you know, start fast.

But I think after a while, for me, that'll die down, that'll go away. And players are starting to get tired of the fakeness, tired of the hype man and they want to see a coach. And I think that's where the biggest problem going to be. You think he's kind of a schick guy? Yeah, no question. No question about it.

Talk to several players down in Tampa when they won in games. They'll tell you the same thing. They couldn't trust him. He'll say one thing and do another. You know, he'll get everyone hyped up. He'll say that he's going to do this. He's going to do that. And that'll work where you don't know someone.

When you're fresh there and people, the players start to believe you and believe in you and they think that, you know, you're on the same page, that part of it goes away and it goes way fast. I'm going to throw something out here. And you guys push back if I'm wrong. John's known for offenses. So is, could you make the argument that John knows, hey, if I don't succeed, I don't want to devalue my brand, which is quarterback. I don't want to pay Khalil Mack. I want my offense to be great. Because you know this, a lot of coaches are selfish.

A lot of coaches are selfish. So Gruden won a Super Bowl, TV star, re-enters the NFL. His brand now is quarterback Camp Gruden. Quarterback Gruden. That's his brand. So he goes to Oakland. Why does he want to pay Kaleo Mac a fortune? He wants to get the offense right.

So if Oakland doesn't work, John still looks like he's 29 years old. John goes back into TV as an offensive expert. Well, the defense was never good in Oakland, but the offense. offense. It's just he literally hasn't talked to Cleo Mac one time since he arrived according to Adam Schefter. That doesn't make any sense to me. That's his biggest mistake walking in the door because Khalil Mack is your best player on the team. That's your number one mistake walking in the door. And a lot of coaches, right, when you come into an organization, and now, well, he's been out of it for a while and he's getting back into and back to the swing of things.

He's trying to make, you know, his footprints now. He's trying to do things his way. And when you do that, that can backfire on you. Khalil Mack is probably, you know, my opinion, the best defensive player in NFL. He's on your team. That's the first thing you do when you walk in the door. Let's figure out a way. Either if you can't get it done right now, we're going to have some talks and you're going to, you're going to know for me personally as a coach that I want you here.

Now, we can't fix it right now. We can't pay the money. We got to get to that point. But to not talk to him, it's weird. It's past weird. I don't even get, Joy and I are this morning. like, what? I texted a buddy of mine in the NFL. I'm like, I don't, what am I

missing on this? Like, is this the way it works? And he's like, no, that's not really the way it works. I want to shift to this, though. We know the Rams have good players. They added in Domiconsu. Marcus Peters, a keep to leap. These are, there's some diva qualities.

There's been some baggage off the air. I mean, Marcus Peters, college and pro coach are like, out. And by the way, Chris Peters and Andy Reid have had players that are difficult and kept them. Andy Reid's like, I can't take it. You think it's going to work with all these new defensive guys. Why? Because of Wade Phillips.

Wade Phillips. You know, playing for him with the charges. And this is one thing about Wade. Whatever you do great, whatever you do extremely well, if you have a big personality, Wade Phillips is going to play up to that. You have a lot of coaches, you know, we're talking about John Bruton. I want things this way. Things are going to go this way.

They want to do it their way. And sometimes they can come back. invite you. Wade Phillips, you're going to do what you do best. So, Sue, we know what kind of guy you are. I watched filming you for years. This is what you do best. This is what you're going to do. All these big personality guys, all these guys who do things extremely well, there couldn't be a better defensive coordinator to handle that because that's what Wade's been doing. When you showed up, if I remember you held out a little bit, you got in late your rookie year and Wade was your defensive coordinator. So when you first met him, what did he do? Yeah, well, first of

I was struggling to understand the playbook. I didn't know what in the hell was going on. I just knew that I had to go and tackle whoever had the football at the time. I knew that part. So, you know, I came in and I wasn't caught up to speed. By the third or fourth day of practice, Wade Phillips brought me in other defensive coaches, brought me in the back of the office. They said, look, we want you to do one thing.

We'll get you lined up. But after that, see ball go ball. And I looked at him. I said, coach, what are you talking about? He said, see ball, go ball. We know you can make plays. We know you can get out. the quarterback so we're going to line you up have you in the right place on the field but after that

go make plays because that's what type of coach way phillips is he didn't want you to overthink it you look at your tape he watched it at practice and he said your explosive dynamic yep but we'll line you up in the spot go get the ball go get the ball simple as that and that's and that's why they're going to have success over there with these big personality guys these guys who've been in the NFL already and have you know kind of their footprint in the league by the way baker mayfield than I had a little skirmish. I was critical. Oh, I seen it. I watched it. Yeah. Well, I couldn't come on here and baby him. If I badmouth the guy, I got to say it when he's on the show. I'm not going to be a phony. Right. I thought he handled it really well. I thought he was great.

I thought he pushed back. You hung out with him. Yeah. I spent a lot of time with him this off season, and I couldn't be more impressed with somebody, especially a quarterback that's going into the Cleveland Brown situation than him being a part of really turning that organization around. You know, for me, I just think that whether he plays this year, and I think he's going to play probably the last four or six games of the year, I think Tyrod is going to play well early on. You know, I think that at some point in time, they're going to start getting Baker some reps and easing him in there.

But they couldn't have a better player because of who he is, right? He has this swag about these characteristics about him that just screams leadership. You came directly at him. You came at him. Oh, I did. You came at him as hard as you can come at him. On live air, on your show. and he could have easily blew up.

By the way, this is what, it's so funny when the audience, hold on one second, there you go. The audience fans don't get this. When I brought Baker on, he had a police video. There was a lot of NFL teams.

I would have done him a complete disservice to give him softballs. I went after him, allowing him the opportunity to come back at me. And on the internet for the next, week he crushed you. That's what I did with Ritchie Incognito. That's what I do with T.O.

The worst thing I can do to somebody I've criticized is let him off the hook. If you're as good as your fans think, rip me, come after me, beat me, and then you win. I thought, I got to be honest with you. I was more impressed with Baker a minute after that interview ended than I was before. I was like, oh, he was fine. He can handle himself. So to your point, people saw that interview. And I'm like, no, the kid, the kid stood up and could.

he actually had a couple of great answers. Like the cop video, he's like, yeah, it was the worst day of my life. That was just totally stupid. I just totally owned it. And it was like, all right, good. That's the good answer. And that's what I see him being around him. You know, he's not going to shy away from anything.

And look, you know, Baker Mayfield's been dealing with this for a while, right? And he's been this practically his whole career. People have been coming at him with the negativity, saying different things. And he's found a way to respond, but just respond in a smart way like he did when he was here. By the way, he was yesterday talking to somebody, some reporter guy. Here's Baker Mayfield. Here's the tape. Baker, do you feel you kind of won the day

and your appearance with Colin Coward? You think so? It's in the past, but, you know, it's... He's good at what he does. I'll say that. He creates a lot of commotion, and that's what he's supposed to do. He gets people to watch the show.

That was pretty nice there. That was a good answer. No, but it is a good answer. Listen, I got issues with him, but there have been successful quarterbacks. I mean, Brett Farb wasn't always coachable. Right. Jeff George wasn't. Jay Cutler wasn't.

By the way, Philip Rivers throws too many picks. He drives his coaches crazy. I love Philip. I love Philip Rivers. He's a trash talker, though. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was great for me to play. But I see a lot of that in Baker.

No, I'm saying. Philip Baker-Mayfield and Philip Rivers. A lot of the same stuff. Big trash talkers. Big trash. Now, Baker has nine kids. That'd be just a perfect match. Sean Mirriman, good seeing you, bud.

Thanks. Coming up next, you know, it's interesting. There's a quarterback out there that what is he? And he's the cowboy quarterback. You tell me that's coming up. So I think it's really important that we all think about all the time. What do you inherit? some kids come from wealthy families no chaos some kids come from broken families and chaos i'm always

way more impressed with a kid that comes from much less and achieves something than a trust fund kid that becomes a CEO of a company what do you inherit what do you have to deal with i'll give you an example yesterday i'm driving around in my car and i hear these two young guys on radio filling in for a regular show and i called a radio executive of some note and i said you need to listen to their tape and you should hire of those people. And he's like, why? I'm like, because filling in is, you don't get the best producer, you don't get the best guest. I get the producer and the guest I want. But if somebody fills in for me, people take days off. And I said, for a fill-in show, those guys are great. Those guys are really, really good. Like, get those people. So I called it. And, but the reason I thought that, if it would have been,

they had, they didn't have much to work with. There's no sports going on right now. They were filling hosts. They were talking baseball, and they were damn entertaining. And I'm like, Those guys are talented when you consider what they're dealing with. And it's funny because I see the story this morning on Dak Prescott. And the story on Dak Prescott, he did some work on his mechanics this year. And a lot of you are out there going, what is Dak Prescott? I just want you to think about this for a second. So when Andrew Luck came into the NFL with the Colts, there was no arguing he had the worst offensive line.

It was the worst team in the league. He was the number one pick. They had the worst offensive line in the league, his first two years in the league. the worst running game, arguably, his first two years in the league. Dak Prescott's a fourth round pick. He goes to a better team. He inherits the best offensive line in the league, the Cowboys. No arguing when he came in, it was the best offensive line.

We knew the offensive linemen's names in Dallas when he came into the league. Do you really know offensive linemen's names? You knew the cowboy guys. And he also inherits Enzio Elliott comes in with him, the best young running back in the game. Luck gets the worst of those two crucial components. DAC gets the best of those two crucial components. If you look at their first two years, you would say DAC slightly better. Now, they won the same amount of games.

In fact, Luck won a playoff game, and Luck throws for 50 more yards a game. Same amount of touchdowns. Passer rating completions go to DAC, who tends to throw it under coverage. Andrew Luck tends to throw it downfield more. But if you looked at those, you'd say, well, the DAC guy is, and let me ask you this, If you gave Dak Andrew Luck's offensive line and running situation first of years and you gave

Andrew Luck, Dax Cowboy Line and Ezekiel Elliott, these numbers would not be close. They would not be close. And this is what, and this is important because Cincinnati did this. Cincinnati at Andy Dalton. And Cincinnati, Andy

Dalton comes in. He's got a great tight end, Germain Gresham. Cedric Benson running back, AJ Green. Mike Zimmer's is defensive coordinator. So the game, or low scoring. They don't ask him a lot offensively. Jay Gruden's offensive coordinator, one of the creative guys in the league. Coordinators are good.

Defense is good, so they don't ask Andy Dalton to throw 40 times a game. They got a running game, solid offensive line. Everybody gave him a contract extension. And then two receivers leave. Mike Zimmer leaves. Jay Gruden leaves. Running back leaves. He losses all his receivers except AJ Green.

What is Andy Dalton now? Meh. 23rd best quarterback in the league? It's important. They gave him a big fat extension, and he's a C quarterback. I'm not a big believer. If you have an A or a B quarterback, you give him extensions. If you have a C quarterback, you start drafting more quarterbacks. You start drafting more quarterbacks.

You go in the free agent market, you go to the draft. Cincinnati, well, and I always said, no. No, he's just got great pieces. So what's interesting is Dak Prescott goes into his third year, Goulet, you're our number one cowboy fan. What is he? I've always seen him as a B quarterback on his good days B plus, on his bad days B minus. But I don't even think he's a B plus.

I think he's a B. And right now, NFL executives came out this week, 30 of them, and rated him the 17th best quarterback in the NFL. Andrew Luck, 10th, almost twice as good. You go to those first two years, we don't consider what people. are dealing with. What kind of family does a kid come from? If it's a broken family in chaos and he ends up being great, that's way more impressive than the kid that comes from no chaos, white picket fence, solid family, great schools, always had support. I look at this, watch Andrew luck now with a real offensive line and an offensive coach. Watch Andrew Luck pop this year.

Dak? No, no, no. I like him. But man, you got to, you have to consider what the, young quarterbacks. Jared Goff, rookie year to year two. Who's their coach? Who's their left tackle? What's the system? What's the schematics? You can see two different dudes. Jared Goff's two different players. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, Beef of the Century Colin Coward versus Baker Mayfield. I love it. We spoke last hour about you feeling like Baker is not ready to start. He needs a year to sit and learn

to be a starting quarterback and who Jackson agrees, he's going to have Tyraud Taylor as the starter. Well, Baker was asked about his mindset heading into the season and he had this to say. When you talk about a new season, the record from the past year goes out the window. You know, the culture around here, yes, I'm new to it, but the reason that we've made so many changes, this management and ownership has made so many changes is they're bringing in the guys that have the fresh mindset because you have to hit the reset button every year. It doesn't matter if you win the Super Bowl or you go 116. You start fresh, and you haven't done anything for this season yet.

So we're working to be the best team in the country, and that's our mindset. I feel like Baker's given some very mature answers here. Yes, that's fine. Look, I know we could not be on two more opposite sides when it comes to this. You want him to start game one and get destroyed by people. Correct. I'm looking to coddle him a little for about eight weeks. Get him into the system.

Get him comfortable. What happened to tough calling? What happened to get out there and figure it out? What happened to that calling? I think for that position, I don't like players being overwhelmed. Do you think that Tyrod Taylor is the starting quarterback for the Browns next year? No. Then what's the point?

The point is, let's give Baker Mayfield the greatest opportunity to succeed long term. And the greatest opportunity is to keep his confidence high, to not get him hurt, to let him watch a real pro. for a year. Let them watch how a pro works. By the way, I'm not opposed to Sam Darnold watching Teddy Bridgewater for a year. Because the bottom line is once you draft the quarterback number one, you hope you haven't solved for 15 years. My job isn't to win tomorrow with that guy. My job is to ensure I give him the best chance to succeed long term and Baker sitting until Thanksgiving. Like, let's get to Thanksgiving. And if the Browns are two and six at Thanksgiving,

give Baker a role. But if the Browns are, and my guess is they're going to be four and four, three, and five at Thanksgiving, I'm not putting to me. I want Baker to work, and I think the best way to work is watch a pro, learn the book, stay healthy. By the way, you don't play a ton this year? Oh, I get another draft and free agency period to make that offensive line better. I feel like if we're talking about Lamar Jackson, then I'm with you. But he's the number one overall picking the draft. Shouldn't have been. But he was, though. Maybe you're right, but he was. And this is the team that decided to pick him number one overall in the draft. I'm going to say something that sounds crazy.

At Thanksgiving, the Browns are going to be talked about as a potential playoff team. Well, you think I'm nuts. They're going to be... You know who doesn't think that you're nuts? Jarvis Landry, because he is fully confident in his Browns. He told Sports Illustrated, you'll be lucky if we don't score 40 on you. We get everyone playing to their potential. we can win the Super Bowl this year. You and Jarvis. Brown's all the way. I haven't at 6 and 10, and I've said it's a very viable 6 and 10.

Like they're in games, no blowouts. Tyrod Taylor doesn't throw interceptions. It'll be a very, very competitive. Six and 10 and 8 and 8 is a fumble. They're going to be a very viable 6 and 10. You'll have to forgive me if I'm just not all aboard the Browns hype train, which has completely gone off the rails. Finally, over the past three years,

Antonio Brown has had some ridiculous training camp entrance. But this summer, he took it to a whole new level. He ditched the fancy cars and abandoned ground travel altogether. He arrived at the 2018 Steelers training camp in a helicopter with his family. Is he piloting it? No. No, he's just riding along. Have you been in a helicopter?

Oh, yeah. Every time I go to Hawaii, I go on one of those volcano tour things. I want to do that. Oh, God, they're great. You're not scared, though? Well, unless it erupts. No, no, no, no, no. I used to be in local news, and I would do the football games in Portland, Oregon, and the chopper. Chopper 8 with cowherd. It's great.

Man, Steelers training camp is just, it's a whole other level of human. I'll tell you what scares me. Hot air balloons. Oh, yeah, I'm not getting one of those. Oh, holy hell, those are brutal. I'm not getting one of those. I'm not going to do another one. He came in an awesome Rolls-Royce last year.

I don't know if we have the picture of that of how he showed up last year. But he always makes an entrance. The Steelers are fun. Now, that's funny. Steelers are going to be fun this year. I feel like this is the year for the Steelers. Number one seed in the AFC, Steelers. Because I'm not so sure about the year after that.

Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. A city in America's pissed at me. And I feel great today because I'm right. And NFL general managers prove I'm right. And I'll talk to that city that hate.

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See Associate for Detail, study results based on six weeks, gnc.com. So, listen, a lot of times I'll say something and people react to it. And cowards crazy. Some believable, I hate that guy. And in Carolina, they don't like me. because I've always said with Cam Newton, I call him Roller Coaster Cam, because every week you get, you know, a different quarterback. Great quarterbacks give you the same performance year after year after year.

Matt Ryan had one pop year with Kyle Shanahan. The rest of his years looked very similar. Drew Bree's years looked very similar. Brady's years, Aaron Rogers years. You know, Carson Wentz is going to go eight years in a row now, and they're all going to look really, really good. Cam will go, great stinker, great stinker, half to half, quarter to quarter, game to game, series to series.

he's all over the map. And that's just not, you know, you knew what you were getting. Brett Farf could lose and throw picks, but you knew where you were getting every week. You don't know what you're getting with Cam. Depends on the mood he's in. So 30 NFL execs came out this week, scouts, GMs, 30 of them,

and they rated quarterbacks in tiers. And they put Cam Newton in the second tier. They made him number 11. Okay, I've said Cam Newton's not a top 10 quarterback. I'm called a hater. Well, the NFL execs said he's not a top 10 quarterback. Are they haters? By the way, they've got Matt Ryan's better than Cam.

He is. They say Russell Wilson's better than Cam. Oh, yeah, not close. He is. Matt Stafford's better than Cam. Slightly, in my opinion, but he is. Philip Rivers better than Cam? No question.

Carson Wentz, better than Cam, they say, no question. Andrew Luck's better than Cam, no question. But if I say Andrew Luck's better than Cam, that is outrageous. Andrew Luck hasn't played for a year and a half. and executives think he's better than Cam. And there's a lot of unknown with Andrew Luck. It's not hate if it's accurate.

If I say something and it's accurate, it's not hate. Saying Steph Curry's no good is hater aid. Saying LeBron James is no good as haterade. Saying Cam Newton's not a top 10 quarterback is accurate. And by the way, they have Deshaun Watson number 14, Jimmy Garoppel number 13, and Jared Gough, number 19. I predict all three will have huge years. And next year when they do this, because they do it every year, they'll be above Cam,

who I think will be fine but finish third in his division. So again, I've always said this. If what I say is accurate, it's not Hater-Rate. It's accurate. There's a difference. The truth hurts, Colin. Cam Newton's not a top 10 quarterback. By the way, Jeff Schwartz played in this league forever, has people inside the Carolina organization.

He lives there, and he's the only guy in Carolina who's willing to come out and say, Cam makes a lot of excuses. He's not good enough. He was on our show earlier this week. I don't think we're even critical. I just tell you how it is. He completes 58% of passes. He's wildly inconsistent. The thing I don't like about the media and Carolina and the fans is what they do is they blame everyone but Cam. It's over this year.

McCaffrey, C.J. Anderson, Samuel, Moore, Funchis, Greg Olson, you have all the weapons. There's no more excuses for Cam. No more. By the way, their front seven is probably as good as any front seven in the league. So he's not going to have to score 40 points to win. That matters. When you have a great defense, you don't have to take the risks. So Carolina's got a great front seven.

They're going to be in every game because of that defense. So Cam doesn't go into a game like Andrew Luck. I got to drop 36 to win. Cam scores 27. He'll go 11 and 5 with that defense. So you can go into a game without the burden of the pressure of having to deliver series after series after series. They've got good running backs now.

They've got a great tight end now. Their offensive linemen's got two pro bowlers now. They've got one of the best offensive minds, Norv Turner in the league. That's why yesterday I put him in my dumpster hierarchy. I always do the herd hierarchy. Yesterday I did the dumpster hierarchy. Ten teams I think could be dumpster fires. And I put Carolina in that group because if Cam Newton can't have a winning season with that front seven,

and now he's got real pieces, that's on Cam. Because you're getting an elite offensive coordinator. You have a good enough offensive line. You have C.J. Anderson from Denver with McCaffrey. Olson, you got real receivers. And by the way, you get to play Tampa twice, so that should be 2-0 because they don't even have a quarterback. So you can just put two wins down right now against Tampa. They're a mess.

So, by the way, here's my herd dumpster hierarchy. It was Raiders, bucks, lions, ravens, panthers, dolphins, bears, Seahawks, Jags, Broncos. And people in Carolina, I didn't see it. John, you told me that it was all over the internet yesterday. Coward calls us a dumpster fire. Yeah, if they cannot, if they don't average 26, 28, they don't go 10 and 5 or 10 and 6 or 11 and 5, you got to really look now at the cam.

Is this the guy? Because Matt Ryan's not leaving any time soon. Drew Brees have two or three years. How long can you babysit him? I think they have a chance to implode. I'm not saying they will. I still think the Raiders, the Bucks, are by far. and away the two teams in the NFL with the greatest opportunity to just be, you know,

it's funny about Tampa Bay. I actually like dirt cutter and I like their front office. How many excuses are we going to make for James Winston? You know, you get to a point. Like, watching Chicago this year with Mitch Trubisky. Like, I have real questions about Mitch Trubisky. Like, he never threw for two touchdowns. That's going to be, at some point, Chicago, by Thanksgiving this year in Chicago,

the coaching staff's not going to announce it, and the general manager is not going to announce it, but they're going to know by Thanksgiving if he's the guy going forward. Now, they're going to be stuck with his deal, but if Mitch Trubisky, if they keep Dinkin and Duncan and he can't get to two and three touchdowns a game in a division with Aaron Rogers and Minnesota and Matt Stafford, they're going to know in Chicago, we should have taken to Sean Watson. We took the wrong guy. Remember, a lot of times in the NFL stuff isn't announced, but it's known in house. Like, Cam's a headache in house. They're not going to announce it, but he's a lot of work. Tribisky, there's some

questions in-house right now. I said last year about Jared Goff. If you brought Sean McVey in and they got a left tackle and Todd Gurley and they brought in receiver Robert Woods, if Jared Goff last year by Thanksgiving, after that disastrous first year with Jeff Fisher, if you brought in McVeigh, left tackle, Senator John Sullivan, Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins with Todd Gurley and the best offensive young mind in football, if Jared Goff didn't hit by Thanksgiving last year, they knew, they weren't going to announce it, but the Rams were making plans to start drafting and developing the next quarterback. They're only going to give you a year and a half in this league. They're not going to announce it, but decisions will be made in the

room by Sam Darnold's second year Thanksgiving. The decisions will be known about it. They're never going to be all out on your first year. Aaron Rogers' first year in Green Bay behind Brett Favre was a mess. Mechanically, attitude. He was a mess. Nobody will judge a year one. Year two, Thanksgiving. Oh, no, they make their mind up in the rooms. They don't announce it. They make their mind up.

You just don't hear it in Carolina. There's reservations about camp. There's a lot of questions and reservations about roller coaster camp. Hour three, DeMarco Murray, former cowboy back. Ah, this is the herd. Wherever you may be. And however you may be listening, Hour number three in Los Angeles.

I heart radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, Joy Taylor. Hello. So you've been here three weeks. How's the show going for you? It's fun. I'm having a good time. All right. I'm a lot to deal with.

I get to keep the job. Huge massive ego over here. It's hard to deal with. I mean. A lot. A lot to deal with. You're actually quite easy to deal with. All right.

There you go. America? Very pleasant. Very pleasant. By the way, former good dude, Cowboy Eagle Running Back to Marco Murray is here in 50 minutes live on the set. Don't go anywhere. Okay, Jimmy Garoppolo finally talked about his now famous date with a porn star. So let me start there. It's funny.

It used to be, it feels like to me, that used to have things you could do and things you couldn't do and we all agreed on it. Right? Like, do this. That's good. Do that. Do that. trouble. But social media now, it's not cool if you go to Twitter or Facebook to have standards, to have rules, to have laws. You guys just, everybody's free to do what they want, man. Everybody can be a Kardashian. Kardashians are just individual branders and owners of a business. They don't have to answer to anybody other than the Kardashians. But there are certain jobs,

you know, like high school principal, CEO, franchise quarterback where you have to actually answer to people. You have teammates. You're the face of a business. And the business isn't about, you know, being cool on Instagram. It's about memorizing a playbook, making sure everybody's following you, you know, advertisers, ticket holders. You're part of a big conglomeration of stuff. So Jimmy Garoppelow goes out with a porn star to a place that's got paparazzi swimming around it in Beverly Hills. Everybody's like, oh, big deal. It's just, what's wrong with a porn star? And to that I say, really? All you dad's listening.

If I say your daughter ends up in porn, you cool with that? Just drops out of college. Oh, you're not. By the way, if I right now put porn on my Twitter, the internet would implode. I'm not even hanging out with it. I just make a mistake and it ends up. I could put a mistaken picture of joy, John, my dog, my kids, my family, a cuss word. Nobody cares.

Put porn on my Twitter accidentally the internet implodes. Why would that be? It's just porn. But on the internet social media, Grandpa, it meant certain things in life don't go together. Toothpaste and orange juice. Franchise quarterback and porn stars.

They just don't go great together. Jimmy Garoppolo yesterday stood up, owned it, and apologized. Life is different now. My life off the field, I've never really been big on, you know, being very public with things, you know, even social media. I'm not out there a ton, but, you know, my life's looked at differently. I'm under a microscope. And it's like Kyle said, it is a good learning experience. Just have to take it in strata.

I mean, it is what it is. Did you notice what he said there? My life is different now. That's what he said. He didn't say, I'm different. He goes, my life is different. what's changed in his life. He's not a backup. He's a franchise quarterback. Quarterback's always been the judgment position. Right now, James Winston, last three years, James Winston's

gotten better each year. But why are a lot of people out on James Winston? His judgment is really bad. OBJ was on the open market, no takers. Giants don't appear to be in any hurry to extend his contract. Why? His judgment. Lavian Bell wants more money. Todd Gurley got his, why isn't Labian Bell getting his money? Not because he's not great. His judgment. And for quarterback,

it's even a bigger judgment position. And let's be honest, Jimmy Garapolo just called the wrong audible here. There are standards. Don't listen to the internet. Things matter. Judgment matters.

Jimmy called the wrong audible. All right, let me shift gears to Kevin Durant. I love this free agency stuff. All these big stars talking. Kevin Durant likes media. Podcasting and has his own and goes on other people's podcast. He was going on a podcast. He started talking about LeBron James going to the Los Angeles Lakers,

and here's what Kevin Durant had to say. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I thought it was a perfect decision, perfect move. Did everything you're supposed to do in Cleveland. I think this is a perfect next step for him. And he's kind of breaking down the barriers of what an NBA superstar is supposed to be.

You feel like you're supposed to just, you know, play it out in one spot. I think he did a good job of giving you different chapters, and it's going to make his book even more interesting when it's done. Of course, Kevin Durant like what LeBron did, because Kevin Durant is like about half of America. He's incredibly comfortable with change. Kevin Durant went to three different high schools, starred in all of them. He went to four places in three and a half years.

He grew up in D.C., went to college in Texas, drafted by Seattle, and they immediately moved to Oklahoma City. his high school graduation to his second year in the NBA, four places, thrived in all of them. Do you know the average American lives 18 miles from their mom? 40% of Americans never leave their area code. Everybody listening to me has somebody in their family still lives where they grow up. Then there's that one kid in the family that wanted to try new stuff, challenges, mobility. that's Kevin Durant. This is why I say the Warriors dynasty is much closer to the end than it is to the beginning or the middle. It's really close to the end. There's really four people that have changed the NBA. And I've been watching it since the 70s. The Big Four, Magic and Bird saved the league. Michael Jordan made it global. And LeBron has made it mobile.

So Kevin Durant, who's incredibly comfortable with change, has grown up in the era where we're increasingly very comfortable with stars changing. And everybody freaks out about the Warriors and the Dynasty, which has proven to be very good for ratings. But this is why I keep saying, oh, no, this dynasty, they never last as long as we think. And you see little signs and little signals. and Kevin Durant's going to have after next year potentially three titles and three years and three finals MVP's. And then Steph Curry is probably going to say, you know, we got all the rings and we got all the cash.

Maybe I'd like to win an MVP. And it's going to happen sooner than later. That's why they bring on boogie cousins because they have to add toughness because they're getting rich and they're getting into social media and they're becoming big stars, and they were already sort of the skinny jeans dynasty to begin with, but last year they looked against Houston really, really soft.

But there's a reason millennials rent. I've got millennials in my family. Do you know why they rent so they can find a better option? They don't want to own. They want to rent. And Kevin Durant's a millennial. And LeBron's a millennial. And they rent.

They don't buy. for the record 16 of 26 NBA All-Stars 16 of 26 just two years ago are now on different teams and it's not ending. I think Durant will end up, not that distant future moving on. Former Dallas Cowboy, Tennessee Titan, Philadelphia Eagle running back, three-time Pro Bowler, top of the league in his prime, DeMarco Murray in studio, joining us next. Can't wait for that. Good dude. Sports fan sun is shining, temp's horizon. Grab your friends, blast some tunes, ignite those coals, weather like this waits for nobody. Kingsford charcoal. Start something. Interviewed him at the old place. Love to have him back. He was a three-time pro bowler.

There was a time running downhill without cowboy offensive line. He was at the top of the heap among NFL running backs, went to Philly, then Tennessee, and just announced his retirement. So jacked up to see DeMarco Murray, former N. NFL top running back, joining us in the herd today. Went to Bishop Gorman High School where my daughter just graduated. That is a football power. Holy mackerel, that's a football power. So you had offers to come back.

You had people that said, you won't come try out, and you're like, nah, how come? I was ready. I was ready. It was a long career for me. It was something that, for me, eight years was my goal. Eight years was my identity to finish my career. And mentally, physically, I was ready for a number. another chapter in my life. And it was fun. I had an unbelievable career. It was very privileged and

honored to play in the NFL and talking with my family, talking over with my agent, people that were close to me. I made the best decision to move on and walk away from the game. It was hard. It was very hard, but I was excited about it. You know, it is interesting, and I've always supported players on this. If a company came to me and say, we just traded you to your rival, you got traded as a cowboy to an eagle. And it was a weird, spot because Chip Kelly was the coach. And I always def- you sign there, excuse me.

But athletes, you have very short careers and there's limited places you can go to and sometimes you get traded. And fans, you know, most people in America they grow up in a town and they stay in the town. They get traded to other companies.

They don't leave for other companies. The transition was interesting. You were a cowboy and then you moved to Philadelphia and it's the Chip Kelly thing and the Chip Kelly thing didn't work. When you were there, did you sense the unraveling before it happened? I did. It was a great offense. Great offense system that has worked well for him in the past at the collegiate level

in his first and second year in the national football league. So for me, looking at that, knowing Dallas Cowboys rival, they're not giving me the contract that I want. We can't come to an agreement. So for me, I go, I'm going up north. I'm going to go play for the Eagles. try to play the Cowboys twice a year and see what I can make happen,

but the offensive system was different. We didn't have the personnel. I love him to death. My guy, Sam Bradford, running the Reed option. He's a great guy, you know, but if he pulls the ball, that defense of end is not going to respect him if he's running the read option.

They're going to close on the running back. And we just didn't have the personnel. And Chip is a great guy, great coach. Did a lot for the National Football League in his first couple years there, but I think the personnel-wise, in my years in Philadelphia, was not the best, you know, for that offense.

Is playing for the Cowboys different? It is, it is. You got a lot of eyes on you. And having played there for four years at a high level, playing with Jason Witten, Tony Romo, those type of guys, it's a great organization to be a part of. You got Jerry, you got Coach, you've got a lot of eyes on. You got a lot of fans, no matter where you go.

Different arenas, you have a lot of fans. And it's a privilege to play there, but you have to be careful. You can't get trapped into off-the-field issues. Once you have one issue, escalate, now they're talking to your teammates. Why this guy, you're taking away from the credibility of the team if you get into any type of trouble? So you were a superstar Oklahoma. You go to the Dallas Cowboys, and you were, I mean, and I'm not exaggerating, you were one of the talking points of the league for about three years. And then Dallas

doesn't give you a contract. Now, Jerry generally has very good relationships with players. You'd put up huge numbers. How are you not bitter? I'm not only because, the organization did so much for me. The play on that stage, to play in the National Football League, it's a privilege. And I play with unbelievable guys, Jason Whitten, Tony Romo,

guys are still my friends to this day. And it's a business. You know, looking at the Leveon Bell situation, I understand on both sides. Now there's a huge trust factor because he's done it two years in a row. So I can say this is probably his last year with the pitch first steward.

And it's just a business. You know, for me, I didn't have any off-the-field issues. I didn't have any stipulations. You know, I had some injuries early on in my career, which that was there, biggest thing for me. And I understood that. So we had

myself, Des Bryant, coming up for these contract extensions and they had to make the best decision for the Dallas Cowboys. And, you know, it's so happened that it didn't work out for either one of us. You know, DeMarco Murray joining us, here's what's interesting. And this has happened in the NFL. We used to have huddles. There's no huddles. We used

to have fullbacks. There's no fullbacks. Safety's used to be huge, crucial. Increasingly with all the receivers, safeties are being marginalized. So football changes. is a lot. Baseball looks a lot like it used to. Now we're seeing defensive shifts. It's starting to look different. But the analytics, if I was a running back like Levian Bell, running backs Todd Gurley

are becoming valuable receiving weapons. And Levian's like, hey, time out. I'm a running back, but my offensive production is also through the air. Do you sense in the National Football League, running backs feel like now there's a stigma. You're a running back. But it's becoming a passing league. What do you make of these, like, Lavian's one of those guys that wants to change the paradigm. I want receiving money, too. Is it a viable argument?

It could be fair on certain situations. When you look at it, it's been a passing league for a long time. But obviously, you, three years ago, I averaged, four years ago, I averaged 25 carries a game. That downhill cowbell type of back has only been three since 2007. Myself, LaVian Bill last year, and Chris Johnson, So I think you have to have a different dimension in your game.

Being a receiver, a valuable receiver in that offense, you know, it's great because you can take a two-yard pass. You can turn into a six-yard because everyone's dropping out. So if you look at a Levi-on-Bel situation, Todd, those are two great versatile backs that can run, block, and catch. So they're not going to get paid the top dollar that you expect, but you look at Todd girl. He just got big money. He just reset the running back market, which is great. but you have to be able to receive the ball when you play running back. You have to be two-dimensional.

You're obviously a smart guy. You've taken great care of yourself, family guy. You're in Nashville. Now you stayed there. You love the city, great city. And running back is a position where you get beat up. I mean, it's really the only position in football where you run and the people who tackle you, you can't see.

It's the only position. The receiver can catch it and know there's a safety over the top. Right. When you run through that line to Marco, you have no idea where it's coming from. So running backs careers are short. Selfishly, if I was a running back, I would want to be heavy on the receptions. Because if you throw the ball out of the backfield, I can see who, I'm not going to get my legs cut out. You have more space when you catch the ball in a flat swing.

You have more space you can see everyone on the field as opposed to being a running back. You're running through the line of scrimmers like you mentioned. It's a lot harder. You have 11 guys. You have 300-pound plus guys. to tackle you fall on you plus your offensive guards plus the entire offensive and defense line those are big guys you know these guys are all falling on you so when you have an opportunity to catch the ball out in the flat out on the flat line up and slot small corner on you johnson does a lot

yeah and you can you can accelerate different matchups and it's going to be harder for them to take you off the field in certain situations so what do you make of you know we've been talking about this today I'm trying to get joy to come over to my side on this um I don't really care who guys date But I do think when you're the franchise quarterback, I'd stay out of the adult film star business. But Sean Merriman came on earlier and said, dude, it's not the first time. He just went to a restaurant where there's TMZ.

What do you make? If you're the coach, you know how locker rooms are. Good God, you were in Dallas where Tony Romo on a bi-week went to Mexico and people ate him alive. Are the media, are we being ridiculous saying, Jimmy, and not a great look? I think it's a great conversation amongst the locker room. Training camp is here.

Guys are tired. Guys are banging into each other. So around the locker room, it's going to be great to have a chuckle or two here at Jimmy G. If he's playing well, this is a guy that played well last year. He just got traded, but you can look at it from a coaching standpoint

in a organization. You don't want you to start a quarterback dating this guy. But us as players, we don't care. As long as he's winning, as long as he's playing dominantly like he has been, we don't care who he dates. but it's also a camaraderie builder because you can have guys in the locker room talk amongst each other,

talk to Jimmy. Guys that may not really talk to him, they can come in and maybe crack a joke here and too, you know, it lets guys relax a little bit. Now, if he struggles, I doubt he will, but if he struggled, would there be any players that said, well, yeah, you're out at night with that? I doubt it because I'm sure this would probably be the last video

that he's going to be seeing it. He's going to make sure that he goes somewhere else that TMZ will not follow him with a camera phone. By the way, when you lived in Dallas, and again, in your peak years, you were the offensive player of the year, you led the NFL in rushing, you let it in totally yards, you were a pro bowler. You were a star for the biggest brand in football. Could you have a private life?

What was it like to leave practice for DeMarco Murray? For me, I maintained privacy. That was my biggest thing. I wasn't a big social media guy. I always tried to make sure that if I did go to dinner, did go on a family vacation, I wasn't putting it out there for the world to see or for cameras to attract me. And it's hard. It's hard to live a private life.

But us as players, as athletes, you know, we kind of signed away the privacy because, you know, we play the game that we play. And it's a great game. And we do it for the fans. We do it for the championships. We do it for each other. But at the end of the day, you have to keep your privacy. You got to stay sane to some point. And that's how you can do it by trusting different people.

You can't trust everyone. There's always someone out to, hey, he's here, he's there. So you have to be careful who. you're telling where you're going. You know, I've defended Jason Garrett. I don't think he's Belichick or Sean Payton, but I think he's good. And I think Jerry can be, and I like Jerry, but Jerry's not the easiest owner to play with. He's the only owner that has press conferences after games.

Give me Jason Garrett's strength as a coach and perhaps a weakness. I think Jason Garrett's strength as a coach. He's a great motivator. He gets guys to play at a high level for him because he doesn't have any kids. the team, I played there. When he speaks in front of the team, when he's around, he's a guy's guys. He hangs out with the guys. He makes us feel like we're in Portland, like we're family.

We are family. And I think I think his weakness, I would have to say, just managing the game. I think he can do a little bit better at managing the game in certain situations, critical moments. You know, two-minute situations, two-minute drill, running the ball in the game. So I think when I was there, we didn't place a well on the fourth quarter. Our last drives weren't as good. We didn't give ourselves a chance

because timeouts were being called. Challenges weren't made. By the way, this is what the fans in Dallas say. What the fans are seeing you were dealing with. Yes. And you go through meetings and you have a quarterback like Tony Romo's great guy. He's another coach on the field. Jason Winton is another great guy on the field.

But Jason Garrett was able to lean on these guys because they were coaches on the field. So in certain situations, two-minute situations, Romo's got it. We work on these situations every day. we started to work on him after my first and second year, and we became great at them. And we became great at fourth quarter situations, two-minute situations where we're trying to score and get the ball back for our defense. Yeah.

So he had a flaw and he worked on it. You know, I saw the, there was an Amazon Prime series, you know, these hard-knock things on HBO, and Amazon Prime had something on the Cowboys. And, I mean, Des, obviously, is still an NFL player. How great he is, is debatable. But in the Amazon Prime series, series, there's a moment where Des Bryant is just imploding on a simple meeting because his

receiver coach is saying, you know, this Denver secondary is about as good as we'll face. And Des just kind of implodes. And I've theorized DeMarco that NFL people see that and think, hell, that's not even a, that's, that meeting imploded. You can say it now. I love his passion. But Dak Prescott's numbers were better. He's 14 and 2 when he's targeted eight or more receivers.

I think Des can be hard on a young quarterback because he is, you feel like you almost like I've got to go. Did you sense with Des there are times that he can be a burden overbearing in the game? Des is a great player. He still can play the game. You hear passion a lot. That's what, you know, that's the word around Des Bryant. He has, he's very passionate.

He is. I've been around him for four years in my career, the hardest working player I've ever seen besides Witten. And he has some maturity issues that we know. He has a checker pass that we know of. And seeing that, seeing the antics on the sideline, living it firsthand, I know how hard it can be on the team,

not just a coach, not just a quarterback. So seeing it on Amazon Prime, the last year is when I weren't there. I know Dak is a young guy. He's not Tony Romo. He doesn't have thick skin like Romo. Romo can't, Romo could cut desk.

Calm down. Hey, I'll throw you a, slant here just to calm you down. Well, Dak can't do that. Dak isn't at that level yet. He doesn't have that maturity level to say, hey, Des, calm down. I'm coming to you in different situations. So I think it does hurt Des. That's why he is a free agent because coaches, GMs, they see these things,

and we don't want this guy around our team. So you saw the series, too. I saw the series. I saw it. I mean, I'm watching it. I'm like, good God, if I'm a coach, I'm like, it would be one thing if it was one of those really intense meetings. Right. It was just eight guys in a room. And the coach is talking. talking and the coach is now cornered and Dez is going after him.

And, you know, sometimes these reality shows, they're not good for marriages. They're not. And they're not good for all players. By the way, you're a former Oklahoma star. I've been tough on Baker Mayfield, brought him here. You've been very tough. I saw the segment. I saw it.

I was a little surprised. I was shocked, Colin. Why? One, he's an Oklahoma guy. Heisman trophy winner. I love. He's great. I love Bob Stoops.

I spent time with him. We were together in game four, Cleveland and Warriors. It was a horrible game. It was a horrible game, but it was a great chance for Baker and I to spend time together. Got to meet his fiancee now. He's a terrific guy. I would go back. I remember going back to Oklahoma two years ago when he's a junior and listening to the trainers, listen to the coaches, and I play with Sam Bradford, Heisman's trophy winner, great guy, Oklahoma City guy who's loved,

they go, this is the guy. Baker's the guy, mentally, physically, emotionally, he gets it. The camarader within the locker room, the organization, the community, they love him. He's the right kind of guy, and I'm excited to see what he's going to do in Browns. Hopefully he starts day one. People in Oklahoma

don't like me. Hopefully he starts day one. Did you hear that? Hopefully he starts day one. Now let's slow down. Give him time to grow. You and Joey just want to rush him out to the field. It's the number one overall picking the draft. Well, he was a little overdrafted.

Listen, I will say this. Oh, people in Oklahoma just hate me. But if by me pressing him and his great answers, I thought it helped him. I had two NFL guys that texted me that day, and they were like, that was good. He's very mature. He's very mature.

You see the antics on the sideline, things of that. But, you know, he's being competitive. You don't see that from a quarterback. But I think he made toning down. NFL's a little different. So I told him there would be guys that try to pressure buttons because of your history. But just stay the course, learn from Tyrod, learn from the Brown's organization, and just play the game, have fun. That's it.

But he'll be fine. He'll be fine. By the way, this was, you guys have video. This is DeMarco's last game as a cowboy. Do we have video of this? Uh-oh. Oh, let me see. Oh, my God.

This is your last game. Let me see this real quick. Oh, good hell. That's your last game. Don't even show me. Get this video off the screen. Oh, God. Wasn't that awful?

It was horrible. Do you know that would count now this year as a catch? This year they've changed the rule. I'm still unaware of the catch. I don't know what the rule is. I mean, that... If you watch this play, it is ridiculous that it's not a cat. And I'm, by the way, what, if you...

Can we slow this down? It is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know how this wasn't... And I love Gene. I love Gene. favorite ref, so happy retirement, Gene. I'm here to join you. Ball, two feet, knee. He got this call so bad. I mean, this was a wrong call. God, would have changed. Cowboys would have potentially been a Super Bowl team.

Yes. Can you imagine? We're going to look at this video in 10 years ago. That wasn't a catch? Because the NFL went sideways for a decade on what a catch was. That is hurtful. That is hurtful. I can't even look at that video. I can't. DeMarco Murray, good seeing you, bud. Likewise. I appreciate you having me on. You bet. Joy Taylor, the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Sad to play that terrible moment, huh, Colin? I'm sorry. Well, the staff did it. They go, hey, show his last game as a cowboy. And then we roll it, and I'm like, that's not a good video. Who wants to see that last game? I thought it was him busting for like an 88-yard touchdown and stiff arm and a strong safety. I mean, it was just so obviously a cut.

He took three steps and then put the ball down. How was that a catch? It is absolutely ridiculous. Again, we're reverting back to the old catch now. So for the next decade, we're going to see what we used to see. You're going to look at that catch and be like, God, what was the NFL thinking? That and the Steeler one that beat the Patriots. My whole life, you're like, I don't know.

I think the Steeler one's worse because that was over the, he literally reached over the end. They're similar. I think that one's worse because he took more steps than they didn't steal. Well, that one's worse because DeMarco Murray's sitting here. Yes. True. Very true. That makes it worse.

Sorry about that to Mark. Very true. All right, so James Winston will miss the first three games of the Buccaneers season after being after being suspended for allegedly groping an Uber driver, which would normally be six games, but we'll give him three games, why not? And that Dark Cloud weighed heavily over his teammates yesterday, as many of them were asked about it. Let's take a listen. That's my boy, one of my best friends.

Obviously, I was hurt by it, but, you know, we've been going to war together for three years, about to be four years now. Missing those first three games, that's it. No, stuff happy. We support him fully. I mean, again, as corny as it is, we are one family here. I mean, one of us is down. We got each other's back, so we definitely have his back.

You know, he's disappointed itself for doing that. It was just an unfortunate situation, and no matter what, we got his back. Like a lot of you guys know, man, we're a close team, we're a close unit, and, you know, we had his back from the beginning, and now we're going to continue to have his back. We just know it was just a sitting mistake back in the day, you know, it was a long time. time. Just a just a silly mistake, man. He knows that we all know it, but we, you know, we got his back, like I said. Yeah. By the way, their schedule was hard to begin with. Like that division now, Carolina's front seven defensively is maybe the best in football. New Orleans has a

great O-line, Drew Brees and terrific running backs. And Atlanta may have outside of Philadelphia the most complete roster in the national football league, Rams, Atlanta, Philadelphia. this is a mess. That's their starting. Say that again, John. Joy, here's their first five games. At Saints, home against the Eagles, home against the Steelers, at Bears, and then at Atlanta. Oh, God. Plus, it might get a win against the Bears.

You know, look, him, Levanti describing it as a silly mistake is obviously not the terminology you want to use in this situation. but I mean for once I would just love a veteran player to come out like yeah James messed up and he is our quarterback but what he did wasn't right and he needs to grow up. You don't always have to give these cookie cutter answers

about whoa he's my boy and we got his back and we're a close team it's okay to say that your friend messed up it may actually be the right thing to say instead of constantly telling somebody that they're always doing the right thing and it's just a mistake and it's just a mistake and it's just a mistake

maybe it's just time to grow up. Maybe he's not making mistakes. This is just who he is. Well, in college and now in the pros, he's lacked really good judgment. Listen, if you keep yes men around you all your life, you're going to keep doing the same thing. And if the same thing is leading you down the same path, look where you're going to end up. I'm just saying for once, just come out and be like, yeah, he messed up badly. This is not okay.

He's the quarterback of our team. He's supposed to be a leader. He shouldn't put himself in this position. Maybe we don't know everything about the situation, but the NFL did feel like it was, even if they didn't give him what they're supposed to give him, which is six games, and bargain it down to three, whatever. He's being suspended, so something happened. Yeah, it's ridiculous to have any other opinion than this. He's got poor judgment to this point in his football career. And he's not changed. You can't have another opinion or you're a

palm-pom-waving fan boy. He's got bad judgment in college, bad judgment in the NFL. There's no other opinion to have that. I mean, I don't think either one of us are being unfair. I give I have young guys plenty of leeway. They're dealing with a social media era that's completely different than we've ever experienced in the world. But give me a break already. Just come out and say he made a mistake. We got his back thing.

Keep it real. He messed up. And now you're probably going to have a terrible season because you're going to start off badly because you don't have your starting quarterback. So the market for Ted Bryant hasn't been especially hot this summer, but there's one team that's somewhat rumored to be publicly interested, and that's the Browns.

Oh, good God. And that's not the only player that Cleveland is eyeing. Adam Schaeftor reported this morning. They will be working Pacman Jones out tomorrow. Okay, you build a football team from the ball to the sidelines, not the sideline to the ball. Like you've got receivers. You have Jarvis Landry. It's the Browns.

I know. It's like, come on, get it right. This is why the Indianapolis Colts this year, two of their first three picks, linebacker and two guards, that's how you build football teams. Well, they're bad. They haven't done it yet. It's just rumors. It's just reports.

It hasn't actually happened yet. But I'm not going to be surprised if it does. I actually do think that Des would be good with the rounds. I don't. Why? Josh Gordon's already drama. They have a Coleman, the young kid, the wide receiver at Baylor, who's kind of a make or break year drama.

Jarvis Landry's got, he's OBJ Light. I got nothing but drama in that receiving core. I got a young player maker break year. I've got an addiction issue that concerns me with a star. I've got OBJ light. I need Des in that receiver room. Well, maybe that's just me being selfish because I feel like that would be great content.

So selfishly, I think I would like for them to sign him. Finally, at 41 years old, Vince Carter has found a new NBA team to continue his 20-year career. He agreed to a one-year deal with the Hawks and we'll be working to develop young players in Atlanta. So here's a fun stat. Vince Carter was drafted on June 24th, 1998. Gosh.

I was 11 years old. Three months later, Tray Young was born. Wow. So Vince Carter's NBA career is older than his new teammate, Trey Young. God, he's been around. But you know what? He loves the game, takes care of his body. He's a really good teammate.

Atlanta's going to bring him in there to kind of mentor young guys. I totally get Atlanta doing it. Totally get it. He's a good dude. He averts 17.7 minutes a game last year in Sacramento. It's like he's not playing. Listen, I saw Dirk Novitsky play live last year. He should be in a rocking chair.

Vince Carter can play If Dirk's DeVitts, he can play. Yeah. I don't know what's going on with that Dirk situation. But I don't have any problem with Vince Carter. Vince Carter was one of the most exciting players in the league for a long time. He's also going to go work for Turner after his career. So Atlanta's where Turner's base.

So he's going to be a TV guy. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline news. Coming up next, toughest job in the NFL. We've got proof.

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Show your fit. Okay, do it again. Okay, that's Joy Without. I like you with glasses. Thank you. You're one of the rare people I like with glasses. I look even nerdier with glasses. I can't do glasses. I need this machismo appearance.

You pull the glasses out every once in a while. I forget the contacts. I forget to put my contacts in. I can't do contacts. I'm very weird about my eyes now. They're very sensitive. Are they? I'm very sensitive, but my eyes aren't.

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After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. Colts head coach Frank Reich. Eagles last year, now the Colts quarter coach, is expected to start Andrew Luck in the first preseason game. He's ready to go. He's practicing.

I have been saying this for years. I think being a Colts quarterback is the toughest job in the National Football League. Just to recap it, Andrew Luck was the number one pick in 2012, when 11 and 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5. And then he missed 2015, part of it due to injuries. missed all of last year. He just got beat up. Here's how rough it is. The most hits taken per game, quarterback since 2012,

Andrew Luck leads the league. Now, you may be thinking, well, that's an Andrew Luck problem. He runs around too much. He doesn't throw the ball away. Oh, wait. The most sacks taken last season, Colts quarterback, Jacoby Brissette, who for the records is athletic and moves a little bit, like luck. The first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem,

which is why I defended the Colts for taking two guards in their first three picks. A lot of people thought it's not a glamour position. There is a reason they went with guards because Andrew Luck and Jacoby Brissette on that interior pressure. Colts think their tackles are okay, and that's about what they are. They're okay. but when they got criticized for not fixing the defense, I'll say it again. I don't think it's complicated. When you build a house, the next thing you do is insure it.

If you're going to build an NFL franchise, you find a quarterback, you build the offensive line, then the defense. Why is Seattle in trouble? They built the defense, found the quarterback, ignored the offensive line. That's why Pete Carroll's in trouble in the final year of his contract. You find your quarterback. You don't go to your defense. You don't go to your defense.

You solve the offensive line. Your number one asset is your quarterback. You protect your number one asset with insurance. Offensive line is insurance for your number one asset. Then you go fix your defense. That's why the San Francisco 49ers got criticized. They reached on a right tackle. No, they didn't.

They got Jimmy. Who's their first draft pick after they got Jimmy? A right tackle. The Niners know what they're doing. And they're going to draft another offensive lineman next year with one of their better picks. I thought today, I really, Sean Merriman was terrific today on a variety of topics. You know, I said this earlier, is that John Gruden, and I'm rooting for him because I like him, and I thought he was great on television. I really did. I thought, I think Gruden, Chris

Collinsworth and Troy Aikman, and now Tony Romo has become very good, they feel like number one broadcasters. I thought Gruden was terrific. He just jumped through the TV screen. I don't always agree with him, but he was big. He felt big. But he's got a Trump quality. He's great at selling himself, and that's not a criticism. NFL head coach, the opposite has to be true. You can't be a self-promoter as a coach. The players will sniff it out. There's a lot of criticisms in Seattle now that, you know, Pete's kind of selling Pete and Pete's selling his defense. A lot of players. A lot of players. they hear the stories four or five times and they just tune you out.

You got to be into the players. Television is a self-absorbed business. It's about you and elevating you. Coaching's about elevating coordinators and players, not your brand. I think the transition is going to be tough for Gruden, who's been a television rock star for a decade. Now it's about elevating everybody else. He hasn't called Khalil Mack.

According to Adam Schaefter, they haven't talked. which is to me is inexplicable. First calls to Derek Carr, second calls to Cleo Mac. I don't get it. I'm totally confused by that. And Sean Merriman came on earlier today and said, he thinks Gruden's going to struggle too.

Out of the five of six guys I talked to to play for him say that he's a hype man, you know, he'll get the team riled up. But they couldn't trust him. Because after a while, that hype and bringing everybody together, getting everybody on the same page, and we're going to win and we're going to do that. That goes away and people start to see who you really are. That can backfire on you.

Khalil Mack is probably, you know, my opinion, the best defensive player in the NFL. He's on your team. That's the first thing you do when you walk in the door. Let's figure out a way. Either if you can't get it done right now, we're going to have some talks and you're going to know for me personally as a coach

that I want you here. No, we can't fix it right now. We can't pay the money. We've got to get to that point. But to not talk to him, It's weird. It's past weird. Yeah.

That's why I picked the Raiders to finish last in that division. I just don't know. I just don't know. I think, John, a television star is a different, it's all about elevating you. That's what TV stardom is about. The Kardashians elevate themselves. And coaching, the minute players sniff, you're elevating anything other than them, they're out. They are out.

They don't want to hear about systems. You know, they don't want to hear about that stuff. They're coachable, but players don't want to hear. Those warriors like Steve Kerr, but Steve Kerr is smart enough that he makes everybody know it's about the players. That's the genius of Steve Kerr. Popovich, it's my system. You've got to get over yourself. That's why Belichick system's fine if you have Tom Brady, your Messiah who sells the message.

But if you lose it with Tom Brady, you aggravate Tom Brady, you lose your messenger, the locker room unravels. I think New England, this offseason had a little unraveling of their dynasty. Sports fans, Kingsford Charcoal. You've got to start something. Weather like this waits for nobody. The sun is shining, summer is officially here. Kingsford Charcoal, start something.

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