The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - '90s hip hop stories: LEGENDARY Jay-Z, Biggie & Nas rap battles + Top 5 hip hop songs

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss take us on a trip down memory lane back to their early days in New York City coming up in the golden era of hip hop. Joe and Jada talk about recording demos at D&D Studios around legends, pulling up to clubs and seeing rap legends like The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, DMX, and Nas cyphering outside, how Jada met Ma$e in a cypher on 125th Street, Joe getting lawsuits thrown at him by lawyers representing Michael Jackson and Prince after his first successful mixtape, when they first knew 50 Cent would be a superstar, and many more legendary stories dug out from the crates of hip hop history. After, Joe forces Jada to come up with his top-five hip hop songs ever, and their lists include classics from Tupac, Dr. Dre, Run DMC, Snoop Dogg, and more. 03:15 - Hip hop origins & difficulty breaking into the industry 05:15 - Recording demos at D&D Studio 10:00 - Mixtape culture & Joe pressing DJ Clue 15:00 - Lord Finesse's influence 22:00 - Favorite throwback tracks 34:00 - Graffiti & word-of-mouth promo 37:00 - Legendary cyphers w/ Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas 42:00 - Joe getting signed & mother's cancer diagnosis 52:00 - XXXTentacion & how promotion has changed 1:06:30 - Covers taking over streaming 1:14:45- Top 5 hip hop songs ever (Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.) Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuiltanetwork/ytb/ #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check this out. We're going to talk about hip hop. The origins. How hard it was for us to get in the game. I'm curious to know. See, I knew about the Warlocks. I knew about... Yeah, yeah, I knew about y'all from day one.

But what was... What you think is the difference of then and now? Or I'd rather you just say how y'all got in the game and I'll explain how I got in the game or Terror Squad got the game. Even where we cut and slice it, it was still what we had to do

to get here. It was much harder. It was much harder and much challenging just to be able to record music. Fuck getting in the game. Just to be it, find somebody this is before ever going in the studio just to find somebody that had

equipment to record some freestyles or record whatever you had the right was like a task. It was only a few. You know what I mean? So to pass that stage and then enter going into the studio

and finally, you know, recording some music that you thought was good enough and passed to the DJs or passed to a record executive. The journey from just there to there, it was crazy. Well, the record executive is like, it's impossible. Like, when I first started rapping, I just thought it was, I'm just rapping for the hood.

I didn't think I would ever get a record deal. Like, I thought it was like, just me for the homies playing this shit. I never thought, you know, shut out keyboard, money, Mike. And first guy, whoever put me on, like, Bronx cable, and me and my brother told Montana we used to watch that shit over and over again.

Like, he'd be like, yo, you're going to blow one day. I'm like, blow. Like, you know what I'm saying? So when did you get close enough to where you felt like, oh, I could give this person this mixtape and they could get it into the proper hands? We was actually, it was a bunch of shit that happened, but fast forward to the demo that actually was the one.

one that was able to get past to Mary that eventually went to Puff's hands. We was recorded in D&D, D&D studios. Wow, you got to D&D. Shout out Mary. She was in the house last night. MJ, what's up, baby? We shot it.

We was in D&D. However, we got the bread to make it to D&D. And it was actually while Ove was making reasonable doubt. He was there. Yeah, he was in another room making reasonable doubt. and we actually seen. It was a pool. Remember there?

You could play pool in there. Yeah. That's weird fucking big out threat and me and the enemy where I had to write the rhyme in his face. We bumped into Jazzo in there and ended up getting a beat from Jazzo that went on our demo

that ended up actually being a song on Puff No Way Out Out. That sold 10 million. So we recorded a demo in D&D. We was still wet behind the ears, but we felt like, Like these songs was good enough. Mary got a cousin that was a part of our everyday entourage,

Jay Bob, Jamal. So he was, he kept him. He knew once we got some songs good enough, we could get it to him, and he could get it to Mary. So that's what we did. And she happened to be on tour with Jodicey and, and she popped it in, I think, on the tour bus. And that was, that was our end before all the other shit,

I'm going to tell you. But yeah. You know, that's crazy because shout out the D&D. One time I beat the guys' brakes with the phone, with a red phone and D&D, just was pounding them out with the phone, the old-school phone with the wire. Ooh, a house phone.

Nah, yo, they hated me forever since because it was like, you know, D&D was like the fly studio, but I had the juice. I was already fat. Joe, my man was like, yo, my girl, she in the studio with these other rap guys. She was like, she's in D&D. and this, this bob,

yo, when I tell you, who'll be out of the scenes you go bug out, he was like, yo, she in there with the dude. So I had to use my face to get in there.

I'm like, yo, it's Joe crack. They opened the door, and then we beat the brakes off this guy. And they never like, who was it, Dave and,

was it Dave and Mike? But anyway, man, shout out the D&D. D&D, one day I saw Jay in there recording with O.C. They had this one. song together and I was up in there and they was

rocking. D&D was like if you made it to D&D. You made it to it. That was like the, to get the recording D&D was, you felt like you needed. Primo had his own room. He ended up buying D&D, right? You end up buying D&D and then you

had a sort of who's who was in there. It was almost similar to like a barbito estretch. So I'd tell you a better one. I went to a run. G mixed tape and I was going in and Biggie was coming out. I'm like, yo big, what's up, this, this, dad. That's the shot he's by the shower when he said that one.

We said? The shoddies by the shower. You try to shoot me while I'm shitting. I don't even know. I'm telling you. Remember that Ron G that parking big on? Listen, I was there. Polo grounds?

No, it wasn't Polo Grounds. It was, he had a, almost by up NYC. He had a crib. on Riverside Drive. So it was like right around from up NYC. So I'm walking in there. Biggie Smalls is walking out. I do a

freestyle. And when I'm walking out, two pockets coming in. Yeah. So that was the type of shit we were happening and stretching Barbito when you hear the infamous, we weren't call it a battle, but the infamous freestyle with Big Al and

Jay-Z. Bobito had an open door. That shit It was like a, if you fucked up, Barbito and stretches, like they had everybody coming in. The craziest guys you could think of. The door was always open. And so that's when they had that legendary,

I wouldn't say battle, but it was Big Al and Jay Z in there. Like pun, you know, pun broke through stretching Barbito. But this, this, four in the morning, you got to wait. You might go there one night and the whole Wu-Tang clan is in there,

13 deep, freestyleing for 20 hours, and then you might get the last 10 minutes to play your new demo in there. Like, like... Speaking of the mixtapes, I got a story, do you remember this? I don't even know how we all ended up.

What's the first, you know, 54th, Sony? Hit factories in the middle. We was in Sony, all of us. Me, you... You were rich already. No, no, no. We was on... We was already who we were.

It was still, it was still the early. This is 90s, early. Sony's so hard. Listen, we in, we in there. Me, you, the locks. Joe cracked, norie, some other artists. Clue is there. Y'all put pressure on them.

You felt he was putting your songs too far down the thing. Like, because in a mixtape area, if you wasn't in a certain, if they don't put you on, a certain part of the tape. When they put you number 28 26. That's like, that's the ultimate. Nobody's listening

to that far down. So you seeing me I seen it was I don't even, I don't even remember how we all end up we wasn't recording like a we all the world and none of that for everybody to be there but they happen to be mad artists and Clue.

And y'all put a little pressure on Clue like, yo Clue, why the fuck you keep making my songs number 20 something in it. And a good thing we was able to, we worked that out. You know, I saw Biggie. Clue hates the story, but I got

to say, Clue's my brother. He leaked one of them big songs. I was in Club USA. By the way, that was the flyest club ever. When Biggie came up to me at the Dyer, he had the 22 Dillinger. He's like, yo, you seen Clue? I swear to God, I just saw a clue. He was like, you seen

Clue? He put my shit on the tape. I'm going to go get it. I was like, and y'all, I ain't see him. And I just saw Clue walk through. Clue hate when I tell that story, but Biggie definitely showed me the hammer and say he's going to find Clue. He's going to give it to him.

Did you used to drive out to Queens to give Clue to your song? We were, nah, by that, Clue was coming to either rough riders or they would pick, rest in peace, pick would bring Clue to songs, or he would come to the studio. Man, I used to have to go to Queens.

It was that highway, and the police was always on that highway, pulling everybody over. And then at the end, they had like a 24-hour fruit market. That's where I used to meet Clue to give them the songs. But I remember, you know,

I was scared to fly. So I used to drive down to Miami twice a week and just be listening to every clue tape. Shout out the bekema. Everybody who ever sold the mixtapes, you know. Hall of Music Hut. All of Music Hut.

Yo, you know, one day when I, I had my sneaker store in, not sneaker store, because we ain't have sneakers, but it was Fadjoe half time. Oh, half time. Yeah, we used to sell a mixtape. One day, the police came in there, and it was locking me up for the mixtapes, because we used to sell the mixtapes was illegal. So they was like, yo, somebody got to go to jail.

We had my man, DJ A, he's in Atlanta. He didn't want to take the charge. He was like, yo, I can't go to jail. I wound up almost getting locked up over mixtapes. Thank God the cops just gave me a. summons, but I was going to jail for selling mixtapes. It was the craziest shit. I was already a rapper.

But you know what I would do, right? Shout out to Ralph McDaniels. He gave me a huge opportunity. So for kids that don't understand, we're talking about analog and shit before shit was digital and all that. All the kids would run home at 3 o'clock to go see video music box. That's how you see the artists. This one, the TV has.

had knobs on it, kids. You had to turn the top one on the bottom. This is when your man, damn, I don't even got a pocket. This is when your man, special lad, had the one hand in the pocket in the bubble. It was like, I got a dog, a dog with a solid gold bowl. Got a, what? We was like excited, but I met Ralph McDaniels.

I'm not sure where. And I started going to see him. He had an office downtown by City Hall. And I used to have to walk. The elevator was over. he's broken. 31 flights of stairs and that's fat, fat, Joe. And then Ralph started letting me host.

So we go on to clubs and all that. And I'm hosting, yo, what up? It's fat Joe, yo, video music box. I'm still in the streets, too. I'm wearing like vansuits, big Cubans. Like, they know that's Poppy who got the workup in the Bronx. But I needed that look. You know what I'm saying?

I needed that, you know, video music box type shit. I went to Apollo Theater So for you to understand My whole crew was already on So Finesse I grew up with Fennesse Lord Finesse He said I could say this story But Lord Finesse used to

You know back in the days He was an entrepreneur So he would sell the newspaper Right so he had a newspaper route So he'll come around and go Payne paper You two? Yeah, I had a newspaper

So Fennesse used to go paper And then your mom's paying him a dollar for the newspaper, but he bought it for 50 cent. He made 50 cent to go to the store to go get it. So I met Finesse through that, and we used to hang out. But he used to tell me all the time, y'all, I'm going to be a rapper, right? And I would go to his house. He would DJ, his grandmother was there.

And one day I was listening to Red Alert. And your man, Finesse, he played like three or four Fennessa songs. And I was just like, he made it. If it wasn't for Lord Finesse, there would have never, ever, ever been fat Joe. Like, I would never believe that I could become an artist in my life. I had to see it to believe it.

So when I'm listening to this, Lord Finesse is the man that you had to hear. I'm like, yo, I'm going crazy. And so Finesse gets on, show business, AG get on. And Diamond was on before all of us, stunts, bloods, and hip-hop, a classic album.

And so I said, you know what? I was hustling. I was in the streets. And I said, y'all, I'm going to Apollo Theater. So you got to understand. I'm in the streets making money, respected in the streets, doing everything I got to do.

And I said, I'm going to the Apollo Amateur Night to get on. And this is a real story, right? So I'm already buying dappadish. I'm cake. I'm caking. I'm caked up. You see me in the clubs,

popping bottles, all type of shit. I'm doing what I'm doing. So I go in there and I remember, so this is the heart of a lion, a heart of someone who, I remember I went up in there and it was like 150 groups

and I remember like, yo, why are these people in here? Like, you know, I'm here. Like, this is over. Like, no, I swear to off. You already won in your brain? What?

I walked up in there like, yo, this shit. Shout out the cocoa. graph, she just won the tennis. She said the whole crowd was screaming for her opponent in the French joint. And she

started telling herself, Coco, Co, Co, Co, Co. They screaming Coco, but they were screaming the other girl's name. In French. So you got to talk yourself into, you got to speak until existence. So I walked up in there, I ain't know what it was, but I looked at them. I said, these guys can't fuck with me.

I'm, you know, and sure enough, we went out there, I had the yellow dappadant track suit. We came outside. I had the dances. And I had a song that was called, He's a big shot. Fed Joe is a big shot.

And I came outside and the crowd went crazy. And I tried one day to really think about it and be like, yo, what did I say to make them go crazy? But I really ain't say nothing. The second I walked outside and started rapping, they just, there's always no distance. There's always a fat girl that gets up there and goes, And I am telling you

And she kick her shit off. She kicked them shoes off. You know it's over when the fat girl come up in Apollo And go, and I am telling you. That's it. And kick her shit, it's over. I can't take it. That's the cheek cold.

Yo, that's the cheek code in Apollo. There's always a voluptuous woman that can sing, yeah. She kick a voluptuous. A voluptu. She kick a shoe. We got to switch the words. Yeah, all right. We're in a different type of thing.

What's this? Curvy. How does song go? And I am telling you, I'm not going. She come up in there. That shit is. Everybody going crazy. Oh, shit.

So it's similar to how the fat guy came out. I tried. I stood up in the hotel room one day, really trying to think about how I wanted Apollo. And they just went crazy. They seen Joe crack. I don't know if they knew me from the hood, from everywhere, or whatever the case.

And they just started screaming like crazy. They couldn't have heard one rhyme. I don't even remember one mind. You understand what I'm saying? I was blessed. God said, yo, they're going to go crazy for this guy. And I won four weeks in a row. And that's how I met Red Alert.

Red Alert came up to me. It was like, yo, DJ Red Alert, who ran the game. It was him and Mr. Magic. There's only two TJs playing hip hop. Facts. Prime time every week. So Red Alert came to me and was like, yo, do you got any jingles, any demos? So I gave them Flojo.

So I remember I was home in the projects and I had the flu. And this must have been COVID way before the COVID. Like I was fucked, fuck. COVID-18. Fucked up. That COVID-88. That COVID-88. It was 88, like, yo, that COVID came up on it.

I was fucked up. And for like two months after I gave him my demo, I was waiting to hear it. And man, that's just it. Boom, boom. When! I was like, yo! I jumped up.

Yo, I must have hit the ceiling. And I ran. I had to speak and I threw it on the window right quick. and everybody was in front of the projects. And I was like, yo, this is my shit. This is my shit. Red Alert playing my shit. And so he played the flow joe.

And then maybe like a year later, Chris Lytie, rest and peace, came to my hood, my block. I'm hustling. Fuck my Jax. He came to a spot. He said, yo, you know who I am? I said, yeah, I know who is

because I used to see Chris Liddy in the streets and all that. You're like, yo, I'm Chris Liddy. I think you could be a big rapper. I just signed a big deal with relativity records. because he had Chi Ali he had the beat nuts

and then I was the third one and he was like, yo, you know, I want to make you a rapper and I was like, what the fuck? I showed everybody that check.

It was a 50,000, but it was a legit check. It's a little bit different getting drug money and getting a real check. Like, look, I got a real check. I'm showing everybody my check.

Like, yo, my check. Like, yo. And, um, and that changed my life. What songs you were here before you was on? What songs from artists? I heard a lot of shit, but I remember always hearing Rakim

came in the door, check out my melody. I remember check out my melody. He was always playing in the park. Basketball courts coming out of it. I remember hearing running them. King King of Rock. Big Daddy,

King, Raw. Roxanne and Chante. Man, I'm Chonte. That's that shit right there. I'm Chantay. That's a piece to my Uncle Tommy G. That was his shit right there.

Shout out to Molly Mall. That was his shit. That man, Molly Marley Marr's a dangerous guy. I just got back from France and I was pumping that. The biz market is going off. The biz. That was that shit.

That's one of my favorite rappers of all time, Biz Marquis. And he was, rest in peace, it wasn't because lyrical, it was just like, yo. KRS told me out of anybody in the world, he never wanted to battle bitch. And that shit was amazing to me

because he's like, I'm like, Chris, you, I kind of thought you was just, like, I kind of see you not being scared to battle bitch, but he's like, He has so much humor and crowd control that he could really actually embarrass him. So he's like, I would think it would be G-Rap, Rock Kim, hell what, them type of,

he's like, nah, I never wanted to battle biz because he could just do some funny shit or do something crazy. And I said that that was very interesting here, KRS say out of everybody, all of them gladiators from that time. And he knows. That biz was the one he didn't want no smoke.

He knows. You know, I used to hear the noise of the underground. Ooh, Mr. Funk. Yeah, that. I look for the funk. I'm talking about on the block. Well, I'm on the block. The Jungle Brothers, Jungle Brothers.

Jungle Brothers. That's SP. That's when. That's right. That's where. Yeah. The Pinn and Fee. Fenn and Fee.

I have one was glad. Jungle Brothers. I used to ride around looking for guys with the hammer on my lap, looking for guys. Now, I'm just telling y'all the truth. It's a family show. All right, but I'm just saying it's crazy because in the prime of violence, I'll be pumping pluck one, pluck two, answering service on this, it is, and I'm looking for the smoke, boy,

and I'm listening to Daisy's potholes in my lawn. Like, yo, this shit crazy, man. Or the biggest, most dangerous guys, I knew. Oh, Nice and Smooth kind of like put me on. So Greg Nice and Smooth B, they used to put me on shows when they was the biggest. Yo, let me tell you something about Nice and Smooth. Let's go there, right? Nice and Smooth.

Say, I'm Greg Nice and I am MC Smooth, B. Together we are pure blend In perfect harmony Yo, they had dances to do Cliff Love Justin K. What? Keeping you waiting for a long. I'm sorry for waiting so long. Like, yo, they were like

a super mega group. I had a shout out Teddy Tedd and special K. They didn't know. Nice and smooth production was crazy. Well, that's the awesome too. Awesome, too, was you had to be allowed to be up at like four in the morning to hear their show. So with me, I live in the fifth floor of the projects. We had the phone, the public phone, like the regular phone in front of the building.

They would crack open the thing and they would plug the boom box on to the thing for the power. So shout out to AJ, GP, or Crago. Vance, romance. All the older dudes, they would listen to the awesome two at four in the morning. I'll be out my window. That's where I heard we don't want to be left behind. All we want to do is just blow your mind. Just one more time, as I say right about now, New York City.

That's my shit. I got my ass whip for being in my uncle. who's room, listening to that repeatedly. I was repetitively just kept listening to that. That shit captivated my mind as a little kid. But then for some stupid reason, I took the Crown Royal Greece and smeared it on the receiver. They beat the brakes.

I don't even know. Grease is the word. I'm listening to that song. Then listen to that fury. I'm listening to that shit over and over. little kid, I just opened it, take the silver top off and put the grease on

the, where the dial, the glass on it. I don't know, my grandmother, my mother, my uncle, they all might, somebody beat the shit out of me for that. Man, Uncle Mike, that was Uncle Mike. He was in the back room. While I'm walking down the street that box in my head. That song right there, there's something to my,

that click the switch on me. That's a poison clan and this. saying to yourself that it sounds very nice. Let me tell you something. And down the whole thing. When block is trying to sound like me, but I'm original. Hey,

yo, listen, one day, one day when I'm coaching at the Wucker, it said, well, I'm walking down the street with, I'm in the back, like getting the team, where they just do that off. No, they fuck. Oh, they,

It was rocking. Ah! Oh. Oh! Oh! That's the times. They didn't even have videos. I heard that shit in the middle of,

we got a win. I'm coaching. I ran to that fucking Rucker Park. And I was in the back. I ran in there so fast like a baby, bro. I was in there like, and they was like, you know, doing it.

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So I started out writing graffiti. That's how I met Diamond D. He used to write Z rock. I used to write, I think I used to write says and some shit of Papa. I don't fucking know. And then, so I always came from like a graffiti mentality to where graffiti, it's all about a subculture that you king. So if you're looking for graffiti, you'll see the names up on the walls.

Most people won't see them, but I don't know if somebody's doing some shit, right? So we started like that. So when I finally got my deal with relativity, I told them to make these huge posters. I don't even got one right now. Right now, if you got one, let me know, I'm ready to buy it. It's a black and white poster,

and it had the cover, and it said, Fat Joe, the Gangster. and we tore this city a new ass home. Bro, we used to come home every night looking like 9-11 all white because it was the glue in the water. You have to put the glue in the water. So we're on 59th Street over the 59th Street Bridge. They had the green.

Then we put it up there. We put Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn. We put it west side highway. We put it in Fordham. We put it. We was doing graffiti. So I had me, the Tats, crew, a bunch of graffiti

artists bombing these posters. Like we was bombing like it was graffiti. So we like king of the city like and so everywhere you go, the other record label started like Leon Cohen I never forget. He actually went to relativity and said,

yo y'all got to stop this this fat Joe the gangster. These posters is too big. How do y'all have a budget to destroy this? Like because he knew now all his artist was like, yo, we went the big posters.

We went to, he was like, yo, you're starting some new shit. Y'all got to chill. Like, these guys are going too crazy. But that's how we did with the poster boards with Big Pond, the Dawn Car, the Gina. We was out there.

Like you said before, back when we was, when we had to roll out something back in the days, or in the 90s, rather, you had to be more manual. Of course, you had the label doing whatever. whatever they did, but you had to form your own staff

and get out in the street and do shit yourself. You know what I mean? Whether they was painting them, stencils, or just going outside, going everywhere. You can go on Fordham and that's like a emotional day. That's exactly, yeah. You know what I mean? After I would bomb all night,

get home maybe six in the morning, I'd be at the train station and Fordham, giving out little cards saying, hey, yo, I'm Fat Joe, the rapper. And giving them, like, the cover to the single. Like, I'd be on the train station, like, yo, I'm Fat Joe, the rapper.

And just giving them shit to set Fat Joe, the gangster. Same thing where the first time I ever met Biz, I went down to the lyricist lounge and I was giving the DJ Flojo. You know what I'm saying? I had the vinyl. So I'm giving it to him personally. And that's where I saw Beahs

B-I-G battle like 20 guys. And he was up on stage just killing them with a backpack on. That's when I met him. He was like, yo, you flow, Joe. This thing, yeah, it's crazy, man. But everything was man, you know, I used to come out the clubs. Right. And this could be, I don't want this to be taken anyway.

But I will come out of SOB's different hip-hop clubs. And I would see Jay-Z. Nas, a Bigel, all the rappers, freestalling and cyphers in front of the club. Like, I would see everybody who became a legendary, they would just be at the club's

freestyle, like outside in front of the joint. They'd be spitting their bars out there. How was it for you? Was you going to like... I mean, of course, we was younger, so we wasn't catching the club. until we got of age or until we got on the label. But ciphers was a thing of the, of a norm, like to where every day we go downtown to get with D.

And before that night was over, it'd be some type of cipher. That's how we met Mace, actually, in the cipher's on 125th Street in front of the mart. T. Dean, Swiss is pops. We was with D in the mart and T like, yo, I got, I know somebody that's, That's super nice, too. He live around here, 130-something, 133rd or whatever. 139. So he came.

I remember that day, Mace had on some Nike sandals, I think. He was dumping. He was crazy. He was going crazy, right? Crazy was an understanding. Flow was crazy. The rest was history, you know. You knew then and there he was going to be a big boy,

or you just knew he was dead nice? He just knew he was. It was night. We didn't know we didn't know we would be getting signed or what was going to happen in the future. Oh, yourself. All of us, because we got signed around the same time, kind of. Yeah. I know. That's where Finesse met Bigel, right in front of the mark.

Finesse went over there, was signing some autographs, and Bigel was like, let me spit for you. That's where he met Bigel in front of there. That's ill. And then he put him on and brought him with him. He did the remix to Yes You May. And I remember just as a team player standing on the, in the stage in the back, and just seeing El Catch Wreck, and I knew we had one. I was just sitting in the back like, y'all, this guy is nasty.

And, you know, when they come to digging in the crates, I used to have, you know, AG had this one rhyme, Sally So she shells down by the Seashore. How much wood can the wood, chick, chuck, I don't give a fuck where I saw A.G. Andre the Giant, I would make him spit that rhyme to me. Sally, so she shells down by the seat short. How much wood, can the wood chuck, chuck more? I'd be like, yo, say the rhyme.

Say the rhyme. And he would always do it for me. But that's how it literally started back in the days. It was word of mouth. And you would hear about guys. Like, I hear the infamous stories like, Jay said he used to pull up on DMX, and they would have... Yeah, they had a legendary battle in the poolhole.

I wasn't there for that. But that's the good, back and that's what you had to do. If somebody was nice, you had to pull up on them and hear them and let them hear what you had. I think that's something that's different in today's climate of music. It was, I was in many sessions with everybody. Opposed to now was you emailing it or sending it through a cloud or the ill take was all bring reels to the studio. You remember that rills and dats and shit like that.

Shut out Jazzy J studio man, I did my whole album. When I got signed the same day I got signed my mother called me over I went over and she told me she was uh she was diagnosed with cancer and I'm rushing to tell her, yo, I got a record deal. You know, I'm going to change my life. And she tells me, yo, I got cancer. She used to smoke a lot of cigarettes. So I remember going to the doctor and the doctor telling us she had. So the doctor was like, yo, if this was my mother, I would just send her home and spend whatever a couple of months.

I was only like 19, 18. It was crazy to me, right? Yeah, we asked the doc. Yeah, we asked the doc, yo, doc, what's her chances? Doc, what's the chances? And the doc said, yo, after chemo, after this and that,

she got like a 1% chance. And my mom's looked at me and said, you heard him, Joe? He said, we got a chance. We got 1%. We did 1%. We got a chance. She went to the hospital.

She did an operation. Her shit was this big because they cut her from here She had to talk. But she lasted maybe 40 years after that operation. Thank God. But my moral to the story is remember that $50,000 check? My mom's, they wouldn't let family spend the night with her,

so my moms were scared to spend the night by herself. So at least 40,000 of the 50,000, I had to pay a registered nurse. At that time, it was expensive like now. Like, it was, you know, like 1,500 a night of some shit. So I only had 10 Gs left. And that was only enough to pay for the studio. And then Diamond did me the favor.

Whoever worked on the album pretty much did the beats for free. And I remember I ran out of money to mix the album. And shout out to the beat nuts, Juju and Les. They actually mixed my album for free. They mixed the album, you know, to look out for me. So I'm always forever indebted to the beat nuts. But that, you know, that's the type of shit we was doing back in them days. And then we had some guys' messages of funk that was a round two, sign the relativity.

There was good brothers, too. His shit wasn't easy, man. And the money's different, right? So let's go to that. Dramatically different. No, no, the money's different. So you go, Magic Johnson, just so y'all could understand, youth, or anybody. watching, Magic Johnson made $1 million, and they put them on Time Magazine, Sports

Illustrated. It was a $1 million a year. Now you got the bummiest guy in the world on the bench for $97 million. And guys are saying, is Greek freak coming or he's going to stay over there and get the max and get $300-something million? The money was different. So Flojo went number one in the country. But I was only getting $5.

a show. So I'm doing Yonkers, Staten Island, and the fever, 1,500 on a Friday. Saturday, I'm doing VA, North Carolina, D.C., bang, bang, bang. Like, flying, like trying to kill myself to come back with a little 1,500 a night. And so this is the difference with the money. So no matter how powerful. you was it wasn't no money at the time. So you're thinking like, boom, and I go from, you know, I literally was selling drug drugs. So I took a, I don't know if y'all truly understand, like I changed

my life like Cinderella, but I was making a lot of money to like hustle for $1,500. Like, and I had to stay the course. So you have to understand if you're going to change your life, you, and you're going to get into the rap game and you ain't making that kind of money yet or whatever the case may be. You got to stay the course because I could have easily said, yo, let me go sell jobs.

Let me stick somebody up. Like, guys kept coming to be like, you know, I used to stick people up so that, you know, I stuck everything up to supermarkets, drug dealers, everything you can name. So guys would come up to me and be like, yo, we got a lick.

You know what I'm saying? We got a dude. He got a couple of, But I'm trying. You know what I'm saying? I even was off it, you know. It's crazy, dog. You're crazy.

No, I'm telling you the truth. Like, they would be like, yo, we got the, and then they pull it off and come around with the new benzes. Yo, crack, we try to tell you we had the lick. I'm already flow, Joe. Well, look how Illinois is your transition from that to that. Because we had to buy a brick. We had the copper burn with our advance.

Three dudes, the advance was only enough for a brick. So you got the deal. and then when it caught, when we got our first deal and the money cleared, we copped a brick and sent into Baltimore. There was always rumors of that. Oh, I mean? That's real.

That's as real as it. So instead of you caught the deal and you thought you was going legit, you went the other way. It was three of us. That was a legitimate, illegitimate thing to do at the time. They get at real events.

That wasn't enough. You know what I mean? It's three of us. We're splitting everything down the middle. 33 and the third. Man, I had to do so much. So my reputation on the street was straight violence, right? And I came in this game and tried to become the pussiest guy in the game

because I already knew people were scared to deal with me because they thinking I'm like a New York shift night. And the stories was going. So I was trying my best to be the nicest guy in the world. Like I'm trying to convince people, yo, I'm a good guy. Don't listen to what people are saying. Look at this.

Did you ever have some, this is back since we on the, we just, we on the train. No, no, we don't. You have something. We on. Did you ever have an altercation in Mount Vernon? Back in the day, back. Because we had a show, we were supposed to have a show, the young lot, whatever we was, and we got arrested. But we heard before that, y'all had some type of fight or something happened in Mount Vernon.

Let's talk about the way back there. The original. Right. That Mount Vernon show, Mount Vernon showed me what I could do and couldn't do. So I was very young and I was very crew-oriented. Shout out to the V. Right. No doubt. And these guys were dangerous guys. Like the Terror Squad from day one was very dangerous. I don't have to elaborate. I'm telling you, this is not a game. Everybody was like 7.30 and I would take them to my original shows.

Mount Vernon is one of the first shows I ever did and I used to look up to Mount Vernon because Heavy D is one of my idols some money earning Mount Vernon But these guys went and started beating up the fans So sometimes you bring the wrong hood with you

They'll beat up your fans And so they start stomping out the fans And that's when I realized I said, yo I cannot bring these guys So somebody grabbing me like yo, you got a flow Joe. The Flojo was number one, is why I'm trying to tell you.

I did Yonkers, I did Mount Vernon. I did every movie theater you could think of. Now, I'm telling you, like, you know that you started a little movie theater. Flojo was ringing, nigga, Thursday. Thanksgiving night sold out lines around the block for Flojo. But these guys would fight the fans. And so I'd be like a right ski recipe.

I'd be like, ski, you can't come. Such as such as you can't come. and everybody started getting mad at me. I was like, yo, you're beating up the fans. This ain't like the enemy, somebody who wants to beat me up. Somebody was at, you're swinging on the fans. And so that's crazy. It reminds me of they had some shit.

I don't know who the young boy is, but there's a young boy that was really, really popping. What's his name? Naldo something. He beat up the fan. They put him in a coma or something. So sometimes you really got to reframe again, But yeah, Mount Vernon, yes.

All right. I was one. We never made it to the, we got arrested in the alley. We didn't even make it to the, wherever we were supposed to perform, man. So you got there and they picked you up. Yeah, you know what's all in your hometown.

Yeah. So we walking and it just came with a bus and shackles and mad cop cars. We was in Mount Vernon City jail. We all got arrested. I didn't even make it to the show. Shout out to Mount Vernon, man. Money earning.

Mount Vernon, they put out, you know, Mount Vernon was the Beverly Hills of black people in America at one time. You know, Malcolm X lived in one house. Stephanie Mills, Nick's in the one. New York, Freddie lived up there. Your girl, Nina Simone, it was like, you know how you, like, no, Mount Vernon was like, if anybody black had real money. It was up there, right?

I'm talking about Malcolm X, Nina Simone. Stephanie Mills while she's running around with fucking Michael Jackson. Like the biggest royalty, they was in Mount Vernon. Still. You know what I'm saying? So Mount Vernon was really, really a stretch of, like, wealth. Captain Lou Albaanos from Mount Vernon. Captain Liu, Albaugh.

Rest of peace, Captain Liu. Your Captain Lou Albaugh. You remember him and what was that, the Madonna video? Yeah. Girls, they want to have fun on old girls. He had a big cameo in that video. He was her dad. He was trying to stop her.

Captain Luke. You know that song is... Yeah, that's one of the ones. That's a legendary. To this day, girls want to have fun. No, it's... Yo, to this day, that's a legendary. That one aged well.

You know? And so, modern day, you say somebody like, rest of peace, ex-exeux. They said, that guy never left his house. They said, he made his music, press play in the computer, was getting rich off of streams and everything. He said, he never even left this house.

You got artists out here now. That shows the marginal gap of, from you having to put up, actually put the glue on the back of the grow old shits and put them up yourself that being able to make millions of dollars without even leaving the crib is incorrect. It's beyond incredible.

And so the only thing I say that it's not right with that is You're missing touching the people. Yes. You don't touch the people. You don't create. So every time I put out an album,

I went on something they used to call a promo tour. I hated it because you went out there to go for free. But it ain't nothing like meeting like, you know, you go out to San Francisco, you see Vaughn and Sway and all these guys and then you go to L.A. and you create a relationship with Feli Fell

and Big Boi and Cruz. Yeah, remember the Baker Boys? They're the first syndicated crew. They was the first syndicated. So you go around and you meet all these cosmic calves and all these guys. And then when you put out a record that I call a strip, it's one thing they support you with a hit.

But when you put out a record that's like struggling, that's when them guys, they kick in. That relationship kick in. And they start playing your shit. And then if it deserve the blow, then it'll blow. So that's what I think the youth is missing,

that communication with actual people that can help you when you're struggling. You know, because I never. I never get involved with like, When people tell me, yo, why you don't tell these young kids, these rappers, why you don't this? I'd be like, okay. So the numbers are to discourage you, the numbers are one out of maybe 10 million people actually make it and rap music. So could you. I think you botching the numbers.

All right. So what's the number? What do you think is the number? It's 53 new rappers. is every day. Who's successful? They let three of them blow. Who's just, nah.

Not every day. You're very confused. Right now, composed to, dog, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, making money that we're never gonna hear. You're never gonna hear of. Yes, but it's successful. Yeah, but it's hard, though. It's not,

it's not what you think. You think anybody who rap? You just said, you guys, you said numbers that's harder in the NBA. You know, it's easier to hit the lotto

than to make it to the NBA. You just made the rap numbers harder than both of them. Well, rap numbers is that hard to be really successful. Hell, it's not hard to be. You know how many guys are 40 years old on a couch? Successful. Successful.

You know how many, anybody raps and somebody dies and they be like, yo rapper, wappy wop. He was a rapper. He got killed in Brooklyn today. No, we don't know this guy. Woppy Wop. Just because he made a demo, he's a rapper now. You know, I'm talking about successful.

Every year we could think, what a sexy red? Who is the most successful? rapper last year. Who was the first, who is the newest rapper successful? Glorilla blew up, but she was already out. I'm trying to say... She had a great year last year.

Sexy. Yep. Sexy red too, but who just came out that's successful? We can name maybe one to three. That's really making money. That's really successful. Who? Lotto. Glorilla. The lady.

Lotto been out since she was 12 rapping on the show. But let's things she put into work and she deserves it. What I'm saying to you is like, there got to be a million something plus girls trying to rap. And they made it. And so what I'm trying to tell you is that the odds

are very, very, very discouraging. You got guys just because your crew is selling you nice, just because you know, you got God, you got grown men who refuse to get a nine to five and they're sleeping on their

couch at 44 with three kids and a baby mama working and they're out here talking about they're going to rap. If you ain't getting paid to do a show, if you ain't got no real people streaming your shit, you are not successful. You understand? So what I'm trying to tell you is that

this is harder than you think everybody and their mother think they can rap and be successful. It does not work like that. It ain't that easy, but it ain't as hard as when we had to it's not as hard. They don't got to go through this shit. No, no, no. I agree.

This reminds me at a classic interview that Callie had when Callie, I think he was with Ebro when he started spaszing. You know how hard it was to get on and this and this and that? It was hard back in the day. It was almost impossible.

Everything was hands on. And now I get what you're saying with a press of a button. You could be successful. A lot of people, who did that, but there's a lot of people rapping thinking they're going to make it and they never make it. Most people never make it. And it's very similar to the NBA. The numbers are very similar to the NBA. Now, we ain't discouraging you. I'm just trying to give you, you need the plan A and the plan B. You know, especially if you know it's not working because another thing, let me tell you something.

this game the entertainment business is off momentum that's why i got a little upset because we came out the box number one in the country you know apple music and then we i had to go on vacation it was set up ahead of time i know that when you got momentum you got to keep your foot on their neck that's the way the game works not many artists we seen come out and get hype at the beginning you think they're going to blow and then they lost that and then they lost that and then they're for years. They keep trying to come back and get... Once you got that momentum,

you got to stay your foot on their neck and keep that momentum going. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called,

Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name, Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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How many rappers, you can easily think about how many rappers, quarter buzz, I don't know if it was their work ethic, I don't know if they couldn't deliver the record, because I remember 50 cent, killing the mixtapes and all that. And then when I heard, Coke, coat, coat, coat, shoddy. I knew, holy shit, the man here.

No, he delivered. He created the hype and then drop a motherfucking monsoon or tsunami on their ass. Now, that's not all rappers. You know how many rappers created some type of hype and then dropped the ball when it was time to let the single go? They also shut.

They blocked it. You can't even use. You can't borrow people's beats. How 50 was taking shit and making his own songs and destroying shit, they blocked that. So you got to be mindful of what they're doing now here. I could tell you what happened.

Even that mixtape you had that was crazy that they took that shit off after this one hour. Yo, my man, they tried to sue me 10 different ways. It was like the Prince's thing. Michael Jackson is state this. I put out a mixtape. The shit was hard. I actually concentrated on that mixtape almost like an album.

I took that shit serious. I dropped that shit at one hour. They was like, yo, it came like, and I don't, why is that? Why fat Joe can't make a mix? Yo. No. Nobody can't. They block in that shit.

No, that shit came. Cease and the cysts, Prince, the Bee Gees, the dis, the total. Every beat, yes, I used the biggest beats, but it was a mixtape. I'm telling everybody, it's a mixtape. I'm trying to get it going. They shut my shit down so fast. Yo, I must have so much high blood pressure. No.

No, I drove. It puts your pressure. When I drove from the Lower East Side to the Bronx, I had like nine pending lawsuits. Like his shit was coming like it was the same lawyer. They was like, hey, Joe, just to let you know the BG said, you know better they're going to sue. The next thing, Prince of State is saying they want damages.

They're going to sue. This one, this, the shit just kept coming off a mixtape. It just, and look, he's telling you all these mix tapes everybody did. Fat Joe did one. And man, when I tell you, the rules were different. They shut that shit down. I never heard the mixtape again. How about that?

I never heard the mixtape again. Yo, I'm telling you. I never heard the mixtape again. They shut that shit down. They erased it from your hard drive. You know, they moved that shit. I was so scared after that shit. I said, yo.

You see? Nine lawsuits. Or you can just go in the stoolball anybody's beat, put it out, create a buzz. You good. Now that should have laughed at. 13 minutes.

Now I'm fucking over there. I'm in San Josepay. They plan all type of EDM shit. And then when you go on the Spotify, they call it a mixtape. You see? They took the yala. They took the yala.

No, they took the yala. Right now, the language on Spotify or Apple or whatever is like, yo, the mixtape. And they took our shit and made it day shit. And you can't even do the shit. shit that was our shit. That's some shit. That's big

shit. That's big time shit. And so that's where the game is at. You know what I'm saying? Well, we talk about hip-hop music and I listen to country and they be like countries the biggest genre or whatever. I hear mad lyrics. Like, you've got

to be rap dudes in the back room writing their shit. Because I hear like, how about all corny, like watered down, like we in San Josepé and every legendary song you ever heard from Stevie Wonder or from whoever, they make their own version of it

and they play it in the hotels, the clubs, the bars. And you, there were days, if you go on YouTube to be honest with you and you're like slow jams, you hear the fake boys to men, the fake luta, the fake, like, what the fuck is,

why we can't hear the real fucking record? You got something to do with the streaming and all that, the, the, the shit that we never had to weigh in. Yo, lately, I've been like, you know, because my shit is on being all that. So I go to a hotel, I throw on the YouTube, and I keep hearing

the fake, Lionel Richie, like, niggas is coming. Covers, there's somebody. Covers. But how do they get the placement? How do they get the stream? The fake covers. Get the stream over the original.

It's something they leaving out in order to be, because you know how I go. They left one symbol off of one, one snare is missing or something. They give them the ability to do it. I also never like, I never like, very rare. I get it. A lot of artists, we've been robbed.

I've been robbed. You know, I got robbed for my publishing when I was young. Guy pull up on me, he was like, yo, we Latino. We got to take care of each of his name, Jelly Bean Benitez. They supposedly discovered Madonna and all that. He gave me $50,000 and never gave me another dollar. He must have robbed me for $10, $20 million.

I'm talking about. And big pun. He deserved a torpedo back. No, this guy needs more than a torpedo. But, you know, we never see him, but it's cool. but the man robbed me, right, for my publishing. So I get it. Everybody get robbed, you know, whoever you name,

a Timberland, the Missy, or they always was in the kitchen cooking up. Scott Storch was cooking up, not getting the credit, right? So we all got robbed in one way or another, right? When the artists go now and do their own song over because they got robbed for their publishing or something like, and they could own the master now, it never sound like the original. No, you know that.

And we're so used to the original. And I don't care who you name. I listen to a bunch of artists like redo the song. Their voice don't sound the same. Yeah, you older now. You older now. Your shit don't sound the same. And you out here trying to recreate the magic.

I say, keep performing, make your money. Don't fuck up the song. Because now they switch it out. So they'll take out the original that we love. And put yours with that. But they put your shit in there. It's money for the artist, but the shit is whacking than the original.

Yeah. Let me use the bathroom. It's hard on the ears. Nobody can do their song over it and it sound good. I don't give a fuck. Who with it? You can't make, if he did Flojo right now,

it's going to sound garbage. You can't, you can't get back into a pocket. You know why? Because we've been used to. hearing the shit a certain way. We love when the drum hit. We love when that shit break down and then it's just switch up.

You're like, even though you're the one who made it, if I had to go back and do it, not going to sound the same. The only guys, anyway, you know what I'm not going to say who? It's never going to sound the scene. This is the part of the show. Jada, you can't duplicate the weed play.

The shit comes from different plants. Skinned and the earth. I never understood weed. Like if I went to the same guy, Pablo, he can't guarantee me that the weed he sold me earlier comes from the same plant of the fucking...

Went to Montego Bay. These niggas spent 40 M's. They went to Cali and copied the whole shit. They went to Montego Bay, spent 40 M's, cloned the whole shit, everything. And grew shit. straight garbage. They wasted 40 M.

Do you know what it was? The soil and the heat and how Jamaica is ain't Caliwiters like that because the demographics are Cali. Just because you copied it and tried it in Jamaica, it was too hot. This shit came out garbage

and they wasted their breath. My shit is this. That's an interesting story. But my, my, my, my, listen, my thing is this. If I go to McDonald's, I know what the chicken McNugget is

No, I'm dead ass No, the answer No, no, why I'm trying to tell you Something that grows I'm just saying When I go, my shit is food, your shit is weed So when I go, No, no, when I go

Somewhere I eat the You got it. I hope you sit there. But listen, listen, we got it. I see we rolling. We got to be one. No, I come off the plane. I'm in Sant'ropay

all this shit. Right? I'm eating all this kind of weird-ass food. Rich. You needed to get back to some of that BX. I got right back to Jimmy's Bronx Cafe, took two scoops, and I was like, ah, I know this. What I didn't understand is how the weed guy can never tell you with like Newport, it tastes like a new port.

How could you buy weed from a different plant every time? The answer to that is you see how you, when you go to the, Restaurants you know is guaranteed. When you go weed shopping, you have to go and try it every time. Say we sent them. You got to sample it. You send them for a diapyx.

You got to sample it. Yeah, you got to try it every time. With weed, you got to try it every time. It's not going to be right. Every time I, you got to, oh, no, let me see this. Oh, no. Oh, like that. You can't guarantee it.

Because you're going to order what you ordered, and it ain't going to be what you order. Any weed they give me make me run button. it outside. I don't want it. No, I don't want it. That was Frankie, baby. That was a dope. Yeah. They gave you that shit for Friday. That's smoky. Let me tell you something, bro.

Shout out to Dochi, man. She had one in the... Yeah, she knew who she had it. We talked about one. You said... You know how many Dochees? It's not going to be that many more. You know how many girls is rapping right now? How many millions of girls is rapping in Dochi made it?

I'm just trying to tell you the Oz. Yo, bro, everybody's sitting on the couch It's not going to be a successful rapper They all around the world And all around, like in Africa right now, they must think they're going to be the next Davido Or whatever the case may be. I'm just saying you got to keep an A and a B plan.

I'm not discouraging you. I'm just saying chances are, you know how many times I went to karaoke And the girl came up in there and sung the fuck out of the karaoke, but she never blew up as a superstar? The chance is really hard. So what I'm saying to you is this. All right, I'm giving you a good one.

Our fans love shit like that. Fans of the podcast, Joe and Jada, and we want to thank you for 100,000 subscribers like that. 22 days, baby. Instagram, we're about to crack 100,000. We're like 97,000 or some shit like that. But listen, the top five greatest hip-hop songs ever. I'm going to let you set it off.

I'm going to let you set it off. I hate it. And, you know, artists, producers, stop getting fucking mad. We love all of y'all. It's more than five. If we don't fucking pick that song or whatever, it's more than five. Y'all keep up popping shit. Like, yo, stop.

I love all of you. Y'all all are supposed to be the greatest of all time. He's going to pick five. I'm going to pick five. Rob base do not call me and curse me out tomorrow. When this shit drop. He's got the right to because it takes two.

It takes two. I try to get it. It could be, you know what I'm saying? It's millions of them. I don't want to. He victimizing me. Making me do this. That's right.

That's right. Top five biggest hip-hop songs of all time. You see why this is a bad thing. Because it goes off your age. I can say five in this. Somebody, a new person did. Never heard it. But it's okay.

That's not fair. It's okay. Our demographic is people are age, real hip-hop, and then we got some young kids who really want to know the real. So. The top five hip-hop songs of all time. How the fuck am I supposed to know? I don't know, but what, what you think when you heard or are you hearing?

and you just like, yo, this is the biggest shit ever. See, I'm trying to think of since I ever first heard hip hop to now. Oh, now that's hard. I got nothing but clustered. No, that's hard. I'm drawing white noise. Why don't you go first? Damn, you said, this is your, this is your type.

Why you want to? No, this ain't my shit. This is what. This is all you right here. You go first. I'll say hip hop, hooray, naughty by nature. I'll say. still Dre.

That's where it gets tricky. I'll say, I'm just saying biggest hip-hop shit. You get caught up? Hold up. Hold up. You get caught off thinking.

I'll say, New York, Alicia Keys and Jay-Z. You fucking bouncing around years. Ah, you made it easier for me. I like this. Because I can easily... What?

That's three? What are you at? Three or four? What three I said? What three I said? New York Hip-Hop-A-Rae in New York Leisure.

I think we got the best New York hip-hop record. Now, I'm just saying, name the five already, crack. Hip-hop array won the first... Hip-O-Rae? Huh?

Hip-O-Rae won the first Grammy for the first Grammy for the rap album for a rap album in 1926. Look at that hip-hop fucking hooray. Okay, I got hip-hop array. I got what was the second one? I said, still Dre. Right?

You know, you hit them pianos, huh? And then we got New York. You got Hoving, two of the greatest songs of all time. He on two of the greatest songs of all time. You're only on three, though. You got two more. Biggie hypnotize. Biggie hypnotize.

Right? And fuck it. I'll go cliche. I'll go Tupac Dear Mama. I need a... I'm not... You did all... There was his old fucking top-tare songs.

I can't be maddened. What you're talking about of all times? Right? Yeah. You think I just hit a certain age group? There's no way to be right or wrong. I think those songs is fucking. That's exactly the point.

There's no way to be right or wrong. So my people don't call me and curse me out. Every time I do a producer, every time I do this, every time I do it at, they want to fucking kill me. Like, yo, I love everybody, man. But I'm just telling you hip hop a ray. Oh, hey. Oh, I'm talking about hypnotize.

New York. This nigg is fucking big. I'm talking about the biggest shit. He fucked me up. I don't know, man. Let me say nobody take nothing because I don't like doing these. So I'm on y'all side, but y'all call him and flip on him and everybody called crack because this is I did. But if I got to give you five, I can't.

And let me try. One of them got to be something from Snoop. What? Gin and juice or the G thing. of one of them shit is definitely one of. Snoop and Dre together got one of. I don't know which one take your pick. That's one.

Count that as one. Right? Now, run DMC, king of rock. Oh. I got to be one because that's one the first songs I've ever heard in my life. Now, that's what's set it off. I'm up to three.

Now, the other one was you got to make your own one. And I gave you, Drey and Snoop is one. One of these shits is one. I'm cheating, but I got, he's, left me no choice. He ain't go specific with it. I said gin and juice or G thing. Those is, take your pen. One, two, two and to that fall.

That's two of all times. We got to be clocked the timer on here. Yeah, because. Y'all, Jada, man, this shit. You got, I mean, what else? I mean, you got a whole bunch. X got one, too. I don't know which one it is.

Look. That's the stop, drop, shut them off, on them up, that. What you call them as bigger than that? What? It'll make me lose my mind. Y'all going to make me those the ass. That shit rips out the... Up in here?

That shit rips out the screws it. Y'all going to make. We go all out. You know what's crazy with that song? The hook is so top 40. The verses is disres. The verses is saying the most crazy. I suck my dick.

When it went to one thing, gun thing. Like, yo, no, he's going crazy. Verses is great. You know, we had a thing. Let me shout out Kool and Dre. We had a thing. We would kill him on the verse and make them dance on the hook. We would always do that.

You got to stop giving the formulas out. Don't tell these people that. When I'm up to three or four, man. You're up to three? T.M.A. Yeah, now I'm up to four. Y'all going to make me lose my mind. Oh, I'm leaving shit out.

I think one of the, see, I, don't hold me, don't quote me, boy, because I ain't said shit. NWA got one, too. Pick you. Fuck the police. If you get everyone you want, that's one. NWA.

I'm just, they got one. Biggest of all time. Great. W. You don't question my. It's NW. A.

Compton's bigger than fuck the police. That's why I just give you NWA. They got one of them, one of them shit they got bigger than, I got switched demographics. I sit alone in my four corner.

Oh, that's it. Oh, whoa. I got millions of more. but I just had to pull up. I wanted to be not versed with my picks. I got the whole production in.

Listen, man, I was hustling. I was in the street hustling, and my brother told Montana pull up in the red truck, the Wrangler truck. He looked at me. I swear to God, this is like a movie. He pulled over. I'm on the block watching the shit.

I don't want to say what block, but I'm on the block watching. and he ran up to me and his face it looked like a movie this is my best friend rest of the piece and he running like

he had to tell me something crazy so I'm like yo tune with something he said yo come here come here please come here and the man pressed play because he had the system boom bug got down boom bum bum bum

boom boom I sit alone in my four corner room staring at we started dancing around this truck when they played my mind's playing tricks on me, dancing around, like, yo, this shit is great. And every drug dealer felt like paranoid.

You felt like, I took the feds everywhere I go. That's why I'm paranoid. Like, everybody living that life. You know. That was one of them ones. Nah. So let me get Jada's, what, did you write down Jada's 5?

Look, it's other songs bigger than mine than his. One? We're just saying 50. 50. Go, Go is one of the biggest songs I have. Go.

Go. With some ghost show. Yeah. What? In the club? 50 is your birthday. It ain't nobody in the world that don't know that song.

You could go, niggies that can't talk. No, I'm just saying. I agree with you with that. You know what I'm saying? With the 50 cents, damn, that was a good one. That should have made some shit, right?

Yeah, that shit is. Nah, nah, nah, it's your birthday. That's the Cheko. You don't have to be able to talk, and you can sing that. That's the Cheeco. But what did we do? What did I pick? What Jada pick on the top five?

Jada just ran down. It was either you had, let's go. Like King of Rock. I run DMC. Pick a Snooper, Dre, G-thing, or I think G-thing would be the one. Ma's playing tricks on me. DMX up in here. And then, W.A.

Fuck the police. or... Paul Compton. What did I pick? New York. Yo, you gotta stop. Now, yo, you see the Violating. That's one of my favorite songs.

That's one of my favorite songs. You kidding me. Yo, your man Violating my shit right here. We both picked some main shit. Tater be on that bullshit. He threw the hoodie over. He's like, dude, y'all. He over here and picking.

I stand alone in the four corner. room without when I don't got what those is missiles those are hip hoparay biggie hypnotized snoop dog so I said still dray I went still dray and then I went um was Tupac damn mama that was great those is great Hove give it to me is one of them sheds too they know that shit everywhere and anywhere you could go on

with human beings and then we're gonna both agree honorary should be in there is the in the club. It's mad people. 50 set. In the club is definitely one of the biggest. In the club is like the biggest disrespect ever created. You know, we start disrespect and we go,

do-to-to-o-dun-d-do. But do-to-to-dun-d-d-d-. Yeah, bus is that. With the dilly's the dilly, what the dilly, sitting in the ice really, what the dilly. There's a lot of people supposed to be on me. A baby, if you give it to me, I'll give it to you. You know what I want.

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